How Broc Glover won the 85 500cc outdoor nationals on an air cooled air hammer yz490 is unknown. It has to be the greatest feat in mx history. If you ever rode one and rode the cr500 you see how slow those yzs were. And Bailey had the works rc500 back then too. In 83 and 85.
I lost all but 2 of my 80s and 90s magazines in a move. Had all these. I remember so many of these shootouts, test and pictures. Love the channel, it kills me half of my collection is gone.
I did not race motocross but rode for fun after work and on weekends. I owned just one 500 class MX bike over the years and that was a 1987 YZ490T, a bike like the 1988 model in this video but without the cartridge fork and having the infamous Travel Control Valve (TCV) fork, instead. I bought it in May of 1991 (at 25 years old) from the parents of the college kid that owned it while he was away at school (he authorized the sale, so the parents weren't going behind his back to sell it). It was in great shape and the parents were simply concerned with selling it to a buyer, talking things like, "We just want this sold before our son gets hurt on it". 🙂 I bought it for a fair price. I brought it home, cleaned, disassembled, inspected, lubricated, and reassembled the bike along with replacing some parts like the fork oil, air filter element, tires, chain and sprockets, and grips. When it was complete, it looked very much like a new YZ. I think I decided to buy the bike at least partly because of all the bad press reviews I'd read and heard since the original 1982 YZ490J, and I was curious to see what a play rider like me thought of this 1987 model. Answer? I enjoyed it and thought it was a great bike and a lot of fun. Basically, I had practically zero complaints or issues with the bike and actually wondered what all the fuss was about, so I just put the situation down to me not racing but just play riding, and also because this was a 1987 model and not the shunned 1982 model that started all the negative press. The bike started easily, and I'm a small guy at 5'5" and 150 pounds. It had an easy-to-use powerband while making more than enough power and torque, and the weak low-end torque I'd heard about just didn't feel weak to me. It actually felt strong and healthy everywhere. It didn't hint at pinging, handled well, did not feel heavy, had good suspension, and it was a ball climbing hills, getting air off jumps, and looking back on occasion to see the roost in the air. 🙂 Since the bike had the TCV type fork, I called TerryCable to see if they still had any of the YZ490 damper rod fork conversion kits for sale that I'd read about in the magazines, and they did so I bought one even though I thought the stock fork was OK. Again, mainly curious to see what difference this damper rod kit would make and how it worked, I found it was simply a kit containing the parts to remove the TCV parts and replace them with old-fashioned damper rods as all dirt bikes came with up until 1986 when cartridge forks started to appear. Riding the bike afterwards did prove the fork worked more smoothly and better able to absorb small bumps by being more compliant. So, I deemed it a successful modification. All in all, I have favorable experiences and memories with my 1987 YZ490T, and I'm glad I gave the bike a shot to see what it was like for me and my kind of riding. If I were into some kind of vintage MX racing, I probably wouldn't hesitate to buy another bike like this if I were going to try racing the Open class at 57 years old. 😂
I've had and raced most of them throughout the 1980s and for my riding style I prefer the KTM500s once the suspension and brakes where dialled in professionally..They started easy,where not a huge handful and I finished best on this bike..Love it that much I've actually still got my 88 model which i plan to freshen up one day.
Have fun on your widowmaker mate😁 those cr 500s no matter what year whether it's 1980s or 90s all rip pretty well for the average everyday motorcrosser or weekend rider, you can still damage yourself no problem😂
In the 80's it was quite a shock to see something other than a Honda win a shootout, the magazine's really did love them. When ever there was a photo of all the bikes together the Honda was always placed in a place of prominence. Maybe Honda spent more money on ads or the magazines thought they would sell more magazines by showcasing the Honda.
I didn't ride the 88 cr500 but rode the 87 a few times. It' was fast all hell. It hit low and ripped thru the midrange blurring the peripheral vision and pulled to the moon. The suspension was absolutely brilliant. It felt like a 250 that was twice as a fast as normal. I couldn't handle a 500 that well it would be suited to Carlsbad or a fast open track like that. A tight sx type track it's way too fast.
Had the 88 Kawa. With a 89 complete front swap. I installed the torque chain drive from Amp Research. Forks sent2 RACETEC for the treatment. RACETEC also did both ends on my 89 CR500. Loved both bikes. Hard2 say the best between the two. True the CR was a high speed tank slappeR. Just had2 white knuckle the bars grips
I seen a Yz 490 jetted & t tuned Smoke a kx500 , in the 80s .. It was a beast of a bike on a straight away field races for money .. I miss the 80s .. my friend had a lot of cr500s & rm500 , an Kx500 sitting in his backyard when they raced for pinks !! 😂 .. He did loose to Husk
I was at Steel City watching the race during the time that Rick Johnson was dominant. I was standing near a big jump. Greg Zitterkoph was circulating in third place on an ATK 604. Not only was he matching Johnson's lap times (I think Johnson was taking it easy out front) but when he landed the big jump you could feel the thump in the ground from the enormous weight of the machine. I'll never forget that and wonder what he could have done with a better machine. Zitterkoph is the man in my book forever.
MX Action rated it #1 over the other 5 bikes so apparently there were no better machines for Zitterkopf who is indeed a legend. But you're right in terms of the weight aspect (unless you meant the 4 stroke power but you heard what the magazine said about the VERY powerful motor), how well would he have done on a LIGHTER machine, only MX Action knew it was heavier but still ranked it #1. So I'd like to know how much better YET the ATK would have been with a lighter motor. The 560 Rotax made great power, like my 1991 is 60 hp at the rear wheel though was breathed on at the factory (long story), but weighs 100 lbs......a Husaberg 600 engine is likely only 70 lb. Subtract 30 lbs from the ATK and you're at 247-30=217 lb. That's lighter than a 250 2 stroke I would think yet it would be a 600 cc four stroke. The ATK got heavier with e-start and would be more like 262 lbs but do same engine swap for lighter 600 cc motor and that's 232 lb with e-start and 600 cc 4 stroke. So the ATK chassis and suspension with the simple/light design made the bikes very light considering the 100 lb motor. And the ATK was NOT that heavy for what it was - 247 lb with kickstart is not heavy for an open class bike. It's heaviER than the 230 lb (?) 500 2 strokes but that's a mere 17 lbs. Not bad for 60 more cc and all that 4 stroke top end stuff and super reliable lump of a motor. But that much extra weight, plus another 20 lb for e-start, is now 37 lb more and that's more significant.
@@bobt250 Okay but that's what The Motocross Vault said in this very video unless he was mistaken (ruclips.net/video/6Ukn3V2ugjc/видео.html). It said MX Action magazine did in 1988 (ruclips.net/video/6Ukn3V2ugjc/видео.html), but Dirt Bike, Dirt Rider and some SuperMotocross didn't even include ATK in their shootout. Here's the magazine on the left (I remember reading that back in the day): ruclips.net/video/6Ukn3V2ugjc/видео.html.
I had the CR500RJ back in the day. But my pick is the KX500, stiffer seat foam and some after market plastic, all the fundamentals are in place. I do like the 88-90 YZ490 though I laughed at the YZ at the time. Good bike. The KTM has a touch of magic. Back to the RJ. I prefer the colour scheme of the RH but Id be stuffed if I know why Honda has a magnesium water impeller on a production bike. The 89 RK was a significant step forward and we all appreciated the update. Today, Id have any of these bikes, particularly the two-strokes.
I had a 1984 CAN-AM MX250, Fast bike, it had the said White Power suspension.. Can you tell me what happened to the CAN-AM mx bikes?? My 84" was liquid cooled!
As always...love the vids! I’d love to see you do a history of the Yamaha Blaster. I’m a bike guy now, but the Blaster was my “first love”. Had a brand new 1990 when I was a kid.
As a kid I was soon explained that you had to have a suzuki, that maicos and yamahas broke down, and that 4T were slow and wasn't the real thing. Anyhow in every MX over here in europe there would be one or two 4T riders in the blend of 500 2T. As a boy in the 80's every time a big fat 4T came by, I was amazed by the deep rumbling sound these machines put out, and tried to figure out what was the difference from the rest, and why they were not considered cool. That ATK would have impressed me. Still looks like a buffalo of a bike. A bike to roost all the XRs
Love your content man! I’d love to see the history of the KTM exc models. I personally am a Honda guy but I couldn’t pass up on a mint 92’ KTM 250 exc. (2 stroke of course)
Still got my '01 CR500R sitting in the shed zero hours .Had it since new. Must have done 250 hours on the KX500 maybe more. the 500's get along Ok. Wondering wether the author of this thread has ever spent any time on a 500. Just wondering ...
I saw the last 500 race at the Coliseum in LA. Probably 92? Stanton won I think and Jeremy McGrath won the 125. But the speed of the 500 able to do the triple jumps was incredible.
I wish there were more print mags. Basically it’s Motocross Action. And Motocross Action SUCKS now. They don’t cover ANY races. And their nauseous slurping of KTM is a joke. Daryl Ecklumd has ruined the best magazine.
How Broc Glover won the 85 500cc outdoor nationals on an air cooled air hammer yz490 is unknown. It has to be the greatest feat in mx history. If you ever rode one and rode the cr500 you see how slow those yzs were. And Bailey had the works rc500 back then too. In 83 and 85.
I lost all but 2 of my 80s and 90s magazines in a move. Had all these. I remember so many of these shootouts, test and pictures. Love the channel, it kills me half of my collection is gone.
I had the 88 yz490 and it was a beast. Never let me down but you didn’t want to forget turning the petcock off before you shut it down.
I bleed yellow so no yellow machine give me that white yamy 490 beast any day
That ATK 604 would make a wonderful supermoto.
Love the old machines and these videos.❤
I had the 88 CR500 and my uncle had the 1990 KX500. Loved my CR the KX felt like a tank
I did not race motocross but rode for fun after work and on weekends.
I owned just one 500 class MX bike over the years and that was a 1987 YZ490T, a bike like the 1988 model in this video but without the cartridge fork and having the infamous Travel Control Valve (TCV) fork, instead.
I bought it in May of 1991 (at 25 years old) from the parents of the college kid that owned it while he was away at school (he authorized the sale, so the parents weren't going behind his back to sell it).
It was in great shape and the parents were simply concerned with selling it to a buyer, talking things like, "We just want this sold before our son gets hurt on it". 🙂
I bought it for a fair price.
I brought it home, cleaned, disassembled, inspected, lubricated, and reassembled the bike along with replacing some parts like the fork oil, air filter element, tires, chain and sprockets, and grips.
When it was complete, it looked very much like a new YZ.
I think I decided to buy the bike at least partly because of all the bad press reviews I'd read and heard since the original 1982 YZ490J, and I was curious to see what a play rider like me thought of this 1987 model.
Answer?
I enjoyed it and thought it was a great bike and a lot of fun.
Basically, I had practically zero complaints or issues with the bike and actually wondered what all the fuss was about, so I just put the situation down to me not racing but just play riding, and also because this was a 1987 model and not the shunned 1982 model that started all the negative press.
The bike started easily, and I'm a small guy at 5'5" and 150 pounds.
It had an easy-to-use powerband while making more than enough power and torque, and the weak low-end torque I'd heard about just didn't feel weak to me.
It actually felt strong and healthy everywhere.
It didn't hint at pinging, handled well, did not feel heavy, had good suspension, and it was a ball climbing hills, getting air off jumps, and looking back on occasion to see the roost in the air. 🙂
Since the bike had the TCV type fork, I called TerryCable to see if they still had any of the YZ490 damper rod fork conversion kits for sale that I'd read about in the magazines, and they did so I bought one even though I thought the stock fork was OK.
Again, mainly curious to see what difference this damper rod kit would make and how it worked, I found it was simply a kit containing the parts to remove the TCV parts and replace them with old-fashioned damper rods as all dirt bikes came with up until 1986 when cartridge forks started to appear.
Riding the bike afterwards did prove the fork worked more smoothly and better able to absorb small bumps by being more compliant.
So, I deemed it a successful modification.
All in all, I have favorable experiences and memories with my 1987 YZ490T, and I'm glad I gave the bike a shot to see what it was like for me and my kind of riding.
If I were into some kind of vintage MX racing, I probably wouldn't hesitate to buy another bike like this if I were going to try racing the Open class at 57 years old. 😂
I've had and raced most of them throughout the 1980s and for my riding style I prefer the KTM500s once the suspension and brakes where dialled in professionally..They started easy,where not a huge handful and I finished best on this bike..Love it that much I've actually still got my 88 model which i plan to freshen up one day.
Better do the engine sooner rather than later before parts become a fortune! If not already
Mate your vids are the best! I bought a 97 CR500 two weeks ago and it’s just fantastic. Love your work from Australia.
Thanks
Have fun on your widowmaker mate😁 those cr 500s no matter what year whether it's 1980s or 90s all rip pretty well for the average everyday motorcrosser or weekend rider, you can still damage yourself no problem😂
I could smell the Blendzall emanating from my iPad. Thanks!
Gotta love the open class 2 strokes.
In the 80's it was quite a shock to see something other than a Honda win a shootout, the magazine's really did love them. When ever there was a photo of all the bikes together the Honda was always placed in a place of prominence. Maybe Honda spent more money on ads or the magazines thought they would sell more magazines by showcasing the Honda.
I didn't ride the 88 cr500 but rode the 87 a few times. It' was fast all hell. It hit low and ripped thru the midrange blurring the peripheral vision and pulled to the moon. The suspension was absolutely brilliant. It felt like a 250 that was twice as a fast as normal. I couldn't handle a 500 that well it would be suited to Carlsbad or a fast open track like that. A tight sx type track it's way too fast.
Had an '82 490 it was stable as a freight train on the dunes.
Had the 88 Kawa. With a 89 complete front swap. I installed the torque chain drive from Amp Research. Forks sent2 RACETEC for the treatment. RACETEC also did both ends on my 89 CR500. Loved both bikes. Hard2 say the best between the two. True the CR was a high speed tank slappeR. Just had2 white knuckle the bars grips
👌Thanks , Tony🔥👊
I seen a Yz 490 jetted & t tuned
Smoke a kx500 , in the 80s .. It was a beast of a bike on a straight away field races for money .. I miss the 80s .. my friend had a lot of cr500s & rm500 , an Kx500 sitting in his backyard when they raced for pinks !! 😂 .. He did loose to Husk
Jetted? Who wouldn't jet their bike? That's like saying it had the correct oil to gas mixture in the tank.
Lies 490s are just slow and everyone knows it. The CR480 was faster
Great video, yes those CR & KX 500’s back then were really ridden to their full potential by riders competing for a world championship.
Could you do a Maico 440/490 twin shock tests please.
I was at Steel City watching the race during the time that Rick Johnson was dominant. I was standing near a big jump. Greg Zitterkoph was circulating in third place on an ATK 604. Not only was he matching Johnson's lap times (I think Johnson was taking it easy out front) but when he landed the big jump you could feel the thump in the ground from the enormous weight of the machine. I'll never forget that and wonder what he could have done with a better machine. Zitterkoph is the man in my book forever.
MX Action rated it #1 over the other 5 bikes so apparently there were no better machines for Zitterkopf who is indeed a legend. But you're right in terms of the weight aspect (unless you meant the 4 stroke power but you heard what the magazine said about the VERY powerful motor), how well would he have done on a LIGHTER machine, only MX Action knew it was heavier but still ranked it #1. So I'd like to know how much better YET the ATK would have been with a lighter motor. The 560 Rotax made great power, like my 1991 is 60 hp at the rear wheel though was breathed on at the factory (long story), but weighs 100 lbs......a Husaberg 600 engine is likely only 70 lb. Subtract 30 lbs from the ATK and you're at 247-30=217 lb. That's lighter than a 250 2 stroke I would think yet it would be a 600 cc four stroke. The ATK got heavier with e-start and would be more like 262 lbs but do same engine swap for lighter 600 cc motor and that's 232 lb with e-start and 600 cc 4 stroke. So the ATK chassis and suspension with the simple/light design made the bikes very light considering the 100 lb motor. And the ATK was NOT that heavy for what it was - 247 lb with kickstart is not heavy for an open class bike. It's heaviER than the 230 lb (?) 500 2 strokes but that's a mere 17 lbs. Not bad for 60 more cc and all that 4 stroke top end stuff and super reliable lump of a motor. But that much extra weight, plus another 20 lb for e-start, is now 37 lb more and that's more significant.
@@shavedape No way MXA rated it above the japanese brands. I'm going to look that up.
@@bobt250 Okay but that's what The Motocross Vault said in this very video unless he was mistaken (ruclips.net/video/6Ukn3V2ugjc/видео.html). It said MX Action magazine did in 1988 (ruclips.net/video/6Ukn3V2ugjc/видео.html), but Dirt Bike, Dirt Rider and some SuperMotocross didn't even include ATK in their shootout. Here's the magazine on the left (I remember reading that back in the day): ruclips.net/video/6Ukn3V2ugjc/видео.html.
That's still not the actual MXA shootout you're looking for but hopefully you find it.
Brad, I have so far not found what I'm looking for. MXA test archives only go back to about ten years too late.
Another great video! Thanks for making them...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
Thanks
I had the CR500RJ back in the day. But my pick is the KX500, stiffer seat foam and some after market plastic, all the fundamentals are in place.
I do like the 88-90 YZ490 though I laughed at the YZ at the time. Good bike.
The KTM has a touch of magic.
Back to the RJ. I prefer the colour scheme of the RH but Id be stuffed if I know why Honda has a magnesium water impeller on a production bike. The 89 RK was a significant step forward and we all appreciated the update.
Today, Id have any of these bikes, particularly the two-strokes.
Tony your very good at what you do keep it up my man
I had a 1984 CAN-AM MX250, Fast bike, it had the said White Power suspension.. Can you tell me what happened to the CAN-AM mx bikes?? My 84" was liquid cooled!
As always...love the vids! I’d love to see you do a history of the Yamaha Blaster. I’m a bike guy now, but the Blaster was my “first love”. Had a brand new 1990 when I was a kid.
I had one myself in 1988 and I plan on doing a video on it in the future
Very cool stuff ! 👍
Thanks 👍
Did you do a YZ 490 history???
Time Machines channel had a
ATK 406 at his place, i seen it yesterday and now i seen these ATKs today, never heard of them b4
As a kid I was soon explained that you had to have a suzuki, that maicos and yamahas broke down, and that 4T were slow and wasn't the real thing. Anyhow in every MX over here in europe there would be one or two 4T riders in the blend of 500 2T. As a boy in the 80's every time a big fat 4T came by, I was amazed by the deep rumbling sound these machines put out, and tried to figure out what was the difference from the rest, and why they were not considered cool. That ATK would have impressed me. Still looks like a buffalo of a bike. A bike to roost all the XRs
My choice for this year would be tough between the cr and kx, but id probably go with the kx but cr in later years.
hey blaze can you do one about the 2001-2005 raptor 660? that would be awsome....
Love your content man! I’d love to see the history of the KTM exc models. I personally am a Honda guy but I couldn’t pass up on a mint 92’ KTM 250 exc. (2 stroke of course)
Noted!
Neither could I but I'm less of a Honda guy but more of just a Japanese bike guy, with a lean to Honda and kawi
I've got a 88 kx500 and it is proof that too much of a good thing does exist
I remember Greg Zitterkoph racing the ATK'S in the late 80's
Still got my '01 CR500R sitting in the shed zero hours .Had it since new. Must have done 250 hours on the KX500 maybe more. the 500's get along Ok. Wondering wether the author of this thread has ever spent any time on a 500. Just wondering ...
I saw the last 500 race at the Coliseum in LA. Probably 92? Stanton won I think and Jeremy McGrath won the 125. But the speed of the 500 able to do the triple jumps was incredible.
500’s dos not race Supercross in 92. It was just 250 and 125. 500’s we’re gone from SX in the 70’s. They were in outdoor MX but not in supercross
I bet that on a true natural-terrain MX track without huge jumps and stuff, that 604 ATK would give a real good fight to any of the modern 450's.
Where is the Husky or Maico?
Cr 500 all day
Great.
BTW when i get some money saved, im buying a bunch of your shirts..lol.. they are kick ass....
Thank you
@@TheMotocrossVault Thank you man for what you do...lol
I wish there were more print mags. Basically it’s Motocross Action. And Motocross Action SUCKS now. They don’t cover ANY races. And their nauseous slurping of KTM is a joke. Daryl Ecklumd has ruined the best magazine.
Totally agree mxa does suck now
I don't see the best 500 of all, my Cagiva 500
I'm pretty sure Cagiva only produced the 125 WMX and 250 WMX in 1988
@@TheMotocrossVault Oh. I had three.... must have been 1985-87
KTM 500 the bike that broke DANNY MAGOO CHANDLER......
I believe it was a Kawasaki that he crashed on
'Twas a CR.