Upgrade From Ryzen 7 3700X to 5800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-9900K
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
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02:08 - CPUs to be compared
05:10 - Assassin’s Creed Mirage
06:26 - Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty
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07:46 - Far Cry 6
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08:42 - Assetto Corsa Competizione
09:13 - Watch Dogs: Legion
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13:28 - Starfield
13:40 - The Last of Us Part I
14:04 - Halo Infinite
14:30 - Hitman 3
14:56 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
15:20 - Performance Summary
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16:02 - 1440p Average
16:17 - 2160p Average
16:30 - Final Thoughts
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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-9900K, 2023 Revisit
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The fact that 5800X3D can compete with latest gen CPUs for cheaper and can be an upgraded from a CPU from 4 years ago is just amazing.
@@McLeonVP God, I did love the 4770K CPU when I was using intel.
Both 7600 and 7500f cost much cheaper than 5800X3D and provide roughly the same gaming performance. Nothing exciting about this chip at it's current price. 5600 and 5700x are far better value options for owners of older gen Ryzens.
@@McLeonVP but you can't upgrade from 4770K to 7700K without changing your motherboard and RAM
you mean 6 years ago. A mere A320 can run the 5800x3d LOL
@@stangamer1151 yeah , 5800x3d costs 376$ in Poland while I`ve got 5600x for 140$... 5800x3d isn`t all that impressive considering how much it costs.
When I bought my 1600X I never imagined I'd end up with a 5800X3D in the same motherboard 👍
Monstrous upgrade.
Which motherboard you bought ??
@@Phynix72 MSI X370 Gaming Plus
Like winning the lottery. Would be awesome to see this same format of comparison done for the 1600X vs Intel’s closest i9 of the time.
I went 1700 -> 3700X -> 5900X.
AM4 has to be one of the best platforms of all time. I went from a 3600 to a 5800X3D has a final hurrah. The performance boost was awesome, especially in ARMA3, a game that is notoriously CPU limited.
Me too! From 3600 to 58x3d but still my 5700XT is rocking @50%powersavings
too bad 5800x3d kinda overpriced in southern asia
My path too. But I also got an RX6800 and gave my brother the 5700xt
You were behind the 9900K with the 3600 but could have caught up with a 5800X as an intermediate upgrade.
Whats crazy, with a bios update you can go from a 1700x to a 5800x3d lol. Both my x370 and x470 support a 5800x3d.
What's really impressive is in how many of those charts the 1% lows of the 5800x3d are better than the average fps of the others. SMOOTH.
Yep basically where the avg high fps doesn't gain, usually the lows are such higher and resulting smother game performance as it's not getting stuck as often waiting for game loop
the most important metric, reliability
i wish more people would see the value in that
(lol, more do, that's why 1% and .1% lows were introduced in the first place as a serious testing metric)
ill wait for 9800x3d
It was so noticeable to me, as someone who hates the fps dips while gaming.
@@MultiNastyNate very high lows give you great user experience. gaming experience sucks when your frames keeps dipping from high to low, the worst is when it dips below 60 fps and its just very jarring.
I went from a R3 3100 to a 5800X3D, you can imagine the improvement was immense
I'm your in your exact shoes with the 3100, currently eyeing the 5800X3D lol!
Lemme know about your experience.
@@SamaelGrayyou will be mind blown at the increase in FPS
And I'm still sitting here with my 5900x and enjoying 12 cores.
You would prefer 5900x.@@SamaelGray
@@DeDoDIabloRunI doubt it, unless they do productivity work. 5800X3D is definitely the better gaming cpu.
AM4 and the 5800X3D were a godsend to gamers.
I doubt we'll get anything like this ever again.
AM5 should have an equally long life
The 7800x3d is already blowing away everything in existence when it comes to gaming. Not even a 14th gen intel i9 cpu can keep up.
So I think AM5 will turn out to be as good as AM4 when it comes to lifespan.
We had the Intel i7 2600K back in the day.
@@lewisgreaves7341 We had the AMD Athlon 64 3200+ back in the day.
9800x3d will be 80% faster than 5800x3d
Went from a 3600 to a 5800X3D and a 1080 to a 3080.
The boost in performance was significant! Tarkov and Rust run extremely well.
I had a 3700X paired with 3080. Since I mainly play single player at 4K 60+ FPS, I wasn’t sure the upgrade to a 5800x3D made a lot of sense, but having upgrade fever I did it anyway. Glad I did! I noticed improvements (aside from heat) across the board. And now I feel comfortable waiting another gen or two before I do a new system build.
Same and I have a weaker GPU too. I use an overclocked rtx 3070 with the 5800x3D (I play at 1440p and my previous cpu was also a 3700x).
Undervolt it like I did, get better temps and better performance, for free
Should i upgrade to 5800X3D from a 9900K? I can get the CPU + motherboard 435$ new
@@MGB2408 No, if you're going to upgrade I would get on the AM5 platform so that a few generations from now you can just drop in a new CPU without having to get a new Motherboard and RAM with it. The benefit of the AM4 platform is that it supports first gen all the way up to 5th Gen Ryzen CPUs so someone that had a 1600x can upgrade to a 5600x for example. AM4 now is however end of life so it would make more sense to get on AM5.
@@Markie_SCBetter temps, you say? So my CPU can perform even *more* within spec than the already-in-spec configuration at the cost of stability from undervolting?
Golly gee, let me hop right on that.
I made the switch to AMD with x570 (coming from x99) and haven't regretted it. I ended up getting a taichi board and a 2700x for next to nothing iirc. The 2700x cost me something like 130usd after I factored all of the discounts and incentives micro center had going at the time. I just picked up a 5800x3d a few months ago during a B&H sale for about 270usd. It was a great upgrade, coming from the 2700x. It should do me until ryzen 8000 is released.
I also got the $130 2700x from Microcenter. I love the Wraith Prism and it weighed in some with my decision.
Don't bother with 8000 series. AMD is moving to 16-core CCD with 9xxx or 10xxx series (which means it may even not happen until AM6) and you don't want to be the chump who bought the final 8-core x800X3D :P
@@Vinterloftfor gaming performance you only need to match the core count of current consoles. Utilization falls off dramatically beyond that in a lot of games.
@@dionmiller8547 It did with me as well. I never needed to purchase another cooler. I did end up picking up a new one with the 5800x3d, but deepcool has some great coolers for the money. I ended up getting an AK620 for something like 52usd. I was going to continue using my Wraith, but I ended up getting a Silverstone FT02 because I've seen reports of heavier nvidia video cards cracking at notches next to their pcie card edges. I didn't want to use a downdraft cooler with that case.
@@Vinterloft Possibly. I'm more focused on the motherboard for AM5. I'd like to get a board that does everything by x570 Taichi does, but that isn't looking likely. AM5 boards have horrible pcie slot layouts. It costs 320usd+ Just to get gen 4 x8/x8, and looking for more than one x1 slot? If I want to run a GPU, a x8 raid card, a sound card, and a Blikvm pcie while still supporting a PS/2 keyboard? Yeah... And not to mention I still want a POST code reader. Try getting one of those for less than 400usd last I checked.
I did the 3700x to 5800x3d. Great upgrade! Kept the b450 board, needed a new case for extra cooling, kept my Noctua cooler, undervolt cpu. Job done! Very happy with the performance! Still paired with a 3080!
what mother board are you using? would you recommend it or is there something better? also why did you undervolt? I have a 3700x and looking to upgrade that and possible the mobo that came in the prebuilt.
@@MyOpinyin just get anything cheap with good enough VRMs and the specs you want. Do make sure it has gotten support for the X3D CPUs, and make sure to get it before selling the 3700X in case you need to perform a BIOS upgrade.
As for undervolting the 5800X3D, I recommend getting a program called PBO2 Tuner. You can find it on some random forum. In there I recommend setting each core on the Curve tab to -30 and then on the Limits tab I recommend setting PTT to 100, TDC to 65 and EDC to 90. For me this improved gaming performance and lowered temperatures and power consumption quite a bit. Most motherboards have this functionality built into the BIOS actually, mine does not. In that case, set it in the BIOS instead.
You should perform your own testing though. Some users reported better luck with -25 or maybe only -20 on the Core tab. Use what gives the best performance there.
Below are the results from my personal testing. Please note that for the "60 s rendered in" statistic, lower is better (it means the CPU was less of a bottleneck in this extremely CPU-intensive gaming load).
Assetto Corsa 108 cars 1-minute benchmark results
3700X stock:
60 s rendered in : 110.922 s
Average framerate : 71.1 FPS
Minimum framerate : 64.4 FPS
Maximum framerate : 75.5 FPS
1% low framerate : 50.3 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 33.1 FPS
3700X OC:
60 s rendered in : 104.125 s
Average framerate : 73.1 FPS
Minimum framerate : 66.6 FPS
Maximum framerate : 77.0 FPS
1% low framerate : 50.2 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 30.1 FPS
5800X3D stock:
60 s rendered in : 77.468 s
Average framerate : 140.1 FPS
Minimum framerate : 125.0 FPS
Maximum framerate : 149.1 FPS
1% low framerate : 83.5 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 41.3 FPS
5800X3D PBO2-30:
60 s rendered in : 75.594 s
Average framerate : 147.5 FPS
Minimum framerate : 135.9 FPS
Maximum framerate : 156.7 FPS
1% low framerate : 83.0 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 11.5 FPS
5800X3D PBO2-30 PTT-100 TDC-65 EDC-90:
60 s rendered in : 74.469 s
Average framerate : 148.6 FPS
Minimum framerate : 140.7 FPS
Maximum framerate : 158.1 FPS
1% low framerate : 96.7 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 46.9 FPS
I always like these upgrade path/revisits for people running more realistic hardware. I would of went from a Ryzen 3600 to 5800X3D but microcenter had an amazing deal on a combo so I jumped ship to Ryzen 7000.
Wow, legitimately the main reason I'd go to a Micro Center is it's the only place on the planet selling 5600x3d.
In gaming benchmarks it's only 1-3% shy of 5800x3d but at only $140! Truly nothing comes close to that kind of value in 2024.
I actually made this exact upgrade from a 3700X to a 5800X3D a while ago and was very happy with it. Did pay more though, and had to upgrade the cooling, but still it was worth it, it was a big upgrade for a lotta games I played a lot
You have to undervolt it. My 5800X3D hits about the same temp on the same cooler, with barely more wattage. I forget what the process is but there are threads and videos all over the web. I remember it only took about 20 minutes to get it done. Add a few hours of stress testing after that.
@@dakoderii4221 I wish I'd known that at the time XD Still I got a good AIO for it since and it handles it without issue now. Would there be any real reason to undervolt it other than temps at this stage?
@@ToastyHeresStreamArchive You can usually get away with a -20 all core curve without any other tweaks it's worth it to do that if you want to keep it simple.
@@TipToeDonkeyi run -100mvt on the motherboard combined with -30 on pbo. 5800x3d are binned.
It’s better to pay more on release than spending 330$ 2 years later 😂
AM4 platform longevity really paid off for me. I got a cheap MSI B450-A PRO mobo and a used R5 1600 in 2020, which I swapped to used R5 3600 in 2022 and plan to upgrade to 5800X3D in the future if GPUs become cheap enough to upgrade my RTX 3060 12 GB.
I can personally attest that the 5800x3d will be a worthwhile upgrade. You will be mind blown at the increase in frames.
@@scottthecarguy8147 with a 3060 it won't be an upgrade. but he did say if he upgraded his GPU only then would he get a 5800x3d which is smart.
Don't wait too long, that 5800X3D won't be available to purchase new for much longer (the 5600X3D one-off release of all the bad yields signals the end of manufacturing in my view) and if the EOL becomes apparent, prices will shoot up making it a much less appealing upgrade (same if you buy second hand)
@@TipToeDonkey Depends on the game. For more CPU intensive games, Such as Cites Skylines 2 and Civ 6, the OP will get a decent boost in gaming performance even with a 3060 12 GB.
What about 6900 XT paired with 7 5800X? Would be upgrade to 5800x3D worthy? I am playing Overwatch 2, FF XIV, Diablo 4, Monster Hunter World and Naraka Bladepoint.
This is exactly what I did. Got a b450 motherboard with a 2700x and several years later just popped in a 5800x3d for less than $300 (on sale). Paired it with a 4090. Incredible
Damn, this video is just what I needed. I have a R7 3700X and have been considering upgrading to the R7 5800X3D for a while. Now that I have more money to spend this video come out and lays out almost exactly how much of an upgrade it is, is very perfect timing.
Before the AM4 platform, every time I wanted to upgrade my Intel CPU PC, like every 3-4 years, I was always frustrated to realized it was pretty hard to swap the CPU for a new one with a meaningful uplift in performance. Basically it was "new build or nothing". Finally that ended with AM4 and I'm happy to have gone from a 2700X to a 5800X (non-3D). In the future I will always lookout to doing this sort of thing as much as possible.
You are just buying a new motherboard along with the CPU. How is that "new build"? It's slightly more inconvenient than only replacing the CPU. It's nice to have upgradeability but most of the time it's useless unless you are upgrading every generation.
@@RestTarRrnope, not just slightly convenient, have you forgotten how badly priced Intel boards back then whenever there's a new one, a measly h510 which is the bottom of the barrel tier board costing as much as $200 which is the same price point for Z series boards.
@@RestTarRr Gutting your whole PC is just "slightly" more inconvenient? Seriously? CPU swap is a 5 minute job, tops. It is waaay more convenient than taking your PC apart and putting it back together with a new mobo. This is not even comparable. There is no other upgrade more involved then swapping out a motherboard.
Also, AM4 spans three whole proper generations (so not including refreshes). Going from Zen 1 to Zen 3 is almost 100% performance uplift. And of course the fact that you can simply swap just the CPU actually makes upgrading every generation a reasonable possibility. The cost and hassle are much lower.
People need to keep in mind you _aren't_ going to see this level of uplift from AMD in the future. One of the reasons the X3D looks so amazing is because Zen1-2 were so weak. Not to mention Zen6 is already supposedly dumping AM5 so you're right back to only getting 2 generations on a platform. I highly doubt AMD will give you another AM4 platform especially considering they already _tried_ to kill that path with Zen3. They won't make that mistake again.
@@RestTarRr You should remain silent rather than spouting off nonsense.
To go from, say, a 2600K to 6700K, you'd need a new CPU, new motherboard, new RAM (DDR3 -> DDR4), and a new Windows key... to go from a quad core to a quad core.
Vs on AM4 you'd need... a new CPU to go from a 1200 to a 5950X.
("There's also no 'e' in upgradability.")
I've upgraded my 3700x to a 5800x3d just a few months ago. Bought it for 280€ and it works really well with my 4070ti ^^
Dumb gpu choice
@@freefall_910 true, if only AMD made gpu's that could play games with RT on
@@shasha023 to be honest the only thing not making me switch to AMD is DLSS and the overall better performance with RT, the moment FSR improves enough and the performance gets close enough i am jumping ship. Gonna be holdin with my 3080 and see what happens with 50' series prices...
@@miecraftandmoregamesRT perf meh
but DLSS is definitely a massive plus for nvidia, especially at 1440p
@shasha023 My 7900XTX does not bad with RT at 1440p 😜
Went from 1600-RX 580, to 3600-GTX 1080Ti and now with 5800X3D-RX 6900XT. Couldn’t be happier!
went from 2200g to 5800x3d 4070ti
Did something similar. Went from 6700k+GTX1080 to 5800X3D+6900XT. Linear upgrade,half the power. Very pleased 😊 🤘
2600/480, 3950X/480, 3950X/6900 XT, 5950X/6900XT and then I decided to start playing VRChat full time, so... 5800X3D/6900XT
Quite literally the upgrade I did to my PC 😂
Thanks for this video!
Same here.
2500K, 4790K (Freebie), Ryzen 3700X, Ryzen 5800X3D.
Same! we here still squeezing every last drop of that AM4 socket.
What videocard do you have? I got the 6800 and debating whether or not i should upgrade my CPU from 3600 to 5800x3d. Playing at 1440p.
@@pavelbratchenko3885it’s worth it 100%
@@HAFBeast91 Mine: Pentium 3 450MHz, Pentium 4 1400MHz, Pentium 4 3GHz, Pentium Duo 3.4 GHz, Core 2 Duo E6300, Core 2 Quad Q9400, i7 3700k, Ryzen 3700X, Ryzen 5800X3D.
I went from a 9900KS to the 5800X3D, I wanted to give AMD a try after a long time, my last AMD was a Duron, and passed my 9900KS to a good friend, I don't regret it so far, and she is happy too :)
My friend gamd me 9400f now 11700k
My friend went from i5 7400 to i7 11700k 🤣🤣🤣 his i7-11700k gives lower fps in gw2 vs r5-5600x clocked 4.85Ghz manually, well I sold my 5600x and got 5800X3D was so amazing.
Should i upgrade to 5800X3D from a 9900K? I can get the CPU + motherboard 435$ new
@@MGB2408nope
@@MGB2408 No, save the money and go directly to AM5 if you want to upgrade.
Snap - My exact upgrade path of my current system. Chose the 3700X because of Steve & Steve’s recommendations at the time and the X3D was a no brainier upgrade for me at £280 from Amazon on a pay off over 5 months deal.
Based on the performance of the 5800x3D I just picked up a 7800x3D and a used B650 board from Micro Center last night for the newest platform upgrade from a i7-2600k system.
Holy-moly. Sandy Bridge, immediately followed by Intel's stagnation, sure gave you a good run with that CPU.
The performance increase must be massive
Sandy/IVY Bridge was(is) incredible.
@@andersjjensen tic toc, tic toc
bro became sonic now
Once in a while you get these parts that are incredible value for their time & market. The 1080Ti was one of them, the 5800X3D is another.
I bought a 1080ti used 1 year after launch for 500, still running it now as any upgrade is just too expensive.
Bought mine as well in 2018 for 450€. Still running smooth. One of the best gpus ever made@@realscot5165
@@realscot5165 I was on the same boat but earlier this year i got a miner's 6800xt for cheap, and it's been rock solid
2600k/3770k. Those CPU's were legendary.
My son is still using my old 1080ti for 1080p gaming. Everything he plays is at least 60fps+
This is the exact upgrade path I followed. The 3700x just wasn’t keeping up at high FPS 1080p. The 5800x3d rips as high as anything now.
I am very appreciative for this video. I bought a 9900K back in 2020 as an upgrade to the 8700 that came with my first pc, an HP Omen, before I knew anything about the pc component landscape. I've been considering upgrading since last year, and seeing the uplift from the 9900K to the 5800X3D has convinced me that it's finally time, perhaps to a 7800x3D if AMD is to be believed in how long they'll support AM5.
literally just upgrading the motherboard was a HUGE improvement in my hp omen. VRMs are CRAP on those boards...
In the end I updated from a 1800X all the way to the 5800X3D for 275 € on my X370 Mainboard... Can't argue with that value
I had 2700X, but with X370 mobo, cos with the old chipset still existed some old PCI slot mobos for my beloved EMU1212m (18yr old) soundcard. Threw in the 5800X3D a while ago, and the old (and gold) sound flies on this stallion of a CPU :D Bad thing that I gotta get some powah GPU to make the system even with itself, and there are no such no brainers as this upgrade AMD provided us! :( Thumbs up AMD! Sure they made a lot of fans for themselves with this 5800x3D move!
@@orboksanci well ich bought an 6950XT new for 569 € so that was kind of a no brainer
Congrats on the 1 mil subs!!! Much deserved!! You guys put in the effort and keep improving and fine tuning what you do... and you do it well!
Time to add some zeros to that sub count! 10 mil subs here we go
Great content. Upgraded from a 3600XT RTX 2060 Super to the 5800X3D RTX 3080Ti a year or 2 ago. Very happy on my UW1440p. I see no reason to upgrade anytime soon with the games I play at the moment.
Our pcs were starting to struggle with new triple A games and so, last summer, I upgraded two of our desktops from i7-2600K's oc'd at 4.5ghz to the AM4 5800X3D. Honestly the buttersmooth gameplay you get from the 5800X3D is very very noticable. Gotta say the sandybridges had one hell of a run haha. The platform doesn't bother me too much although AM4 was/is very budget friendly. I hope AMD support AM5 for many years to comelike they have with AM4.
My man, you deserve a medal for keeping that i7 running so long
Same I went from an i5-6600K@4.3 ghz to a 5800X3D end of last year and wow, the performance gain was great even when I was still on the 2060, but going for the 7900XT Merc 310 Black Edition....wow just wow that tripled the performance over the 2060 and depending on which state of the i5-6600k system (with NVME or the original Sata SSDs) it can be between double and quadruple the performance. In Assetto Corsa my Performance more than tripled and Dirt Rallye went insane, I had 409 P99 FPS and Averages and Medians around 240 fps. In 3440x1440.
In Arma 3 my 1% with the 5800X3D went up 12 fps from 37.3 to 49 fps compared to the i5-6600k a 33% improvement, and the average and median went from 65.2 and 68.5 to 91.3 and 96.8. With the 7900XT those went to 78.3 1% low, 131 Average fps and 130 Median!
So in total I have a 256% iprovement on the 1% lows, and a 356% improvement on the median and averages.
DCS my Averages became my 1% lows and the Averages and Medians went +15fps just from the 5800X3D with another +5fps from going to the NVME drive. So from 51.8 averages and 50 fps median to 73.6 and 74.7 fps. I had a 165% increase in the 1% lows a 142% increase in the Averages and 149% increase in the Medians
With the 7900XT I went to 118.8 1% lows, 176.7 Average and 178.9 Median. Another 393% increase in the 1% lows, a 341% increase in the Averages and a 357% increase in the Medians.
AMS 2 11%-20% increase by the 5800X3D alone and with the 7900XT it's 392-394% increase, almost for times the performance.
1% lows from 28.2 (i5-6600k) to 31.4 (5800X3D+2060) to 110.8 (5800X3D+7900XT).
Averages 44.2 (i5-6600k) to 53.9 (5800X3D+2060) to 173.7 (5800X3D+7900XT)
Medians 45.9 (i5-6600k) to 57.4 (5800X3D+2060) to 181.9 (5800X3D+7900XT)
All racing sims data is in the thunderstorm preset with a middle of the field start, so absolute worst case scenario as far as CPU and GPU load goes.
Kingdome Come Deliverance, yeah that one is truly insane, especially if you compare i5-6600k SATA with the 5800X3D+7090XT+NVME, because then the 1% lows are 965% increase, not joking and the 0.1% lows are a 1068% increase.
The Average are a more modest 379% increase and the Medians 373%.
Compared to the i5-6600k with an NVME drive the 5800X3D+7900XT is still a 425.6% in the 0.1% lows, a 387% in the 1% fps, 348% in the Average fps and 348% in the Medians.
0.1% lows from 9.8 (i5-6600k) to 24.6 (i5-6600k+NVME) to 39.1 (5800X3D+2060) to 104.7 (5800X3D+7900XT).
0.2% lows from 12.7 (i5-6600k) to 26.9 (i5-6600k+NVME) to 41.3 (5800X3D+2060) to 115.4 (5800X3D+7900XT).
1% lows from 21 (i5-6600k) to 35.5 (i5-6600k+NVME) to 45.1 (5800X3D+2060) to 137.5 (5800X3D+7900XT).
Averages 50.8 (i5-6600k) to 54.5 (i5-6600k+NVME) to 56.2 (5800X3D+2060) to 189.7 (5800X3D+7900XT)
Medians 54.4 (i5-6600k) to 55.2 (i5-6600k+NVME) to 56.3 (5800X3D+2060) to 192.6 (5800X3D+7900XT)
Benchmark is the infamous Run through Rattay. Honestly Bang for the buck the NVME drive seems to be the biggest improvement in that game. Seems like Cryengine games love NVME drives. It went from having mutiple sub 200 ms frame time spikes 4 more than 200 ms frame time spikes, one of them 600ms and the other 1100ms to having none above a 40 ms with the NVME drive. And just by replacing my main system/gaming drive with that NVME drive I had a 251%% increase in the 0.1% lows, a 211% increase in the 0.2% lows and the 169% increase in the 1% lows.
While the 5800X3D was totally GPU locked it brought up the 0.1%, 0.2% and 1% lows to such a degree that it went from an at times stuttery mess with sometimes 1-2 second long lag spikes to something that was very smooth, with maybe one or two noticeable stutters. None were above 30ms and with the 7900XT it didn't go above 20 ms in frame times.
In KCD you must have an NVME drive, combine that with a 5800X3D and something better than a 2060 and you have an absolute killer combination. If you don't have KCD on an NVME, do it right now, you're letting unbelieveable amounts of performance on the table. Especially on an old system
And I fully agree, one thing this data doesn't show is just how absolutely smooth the gameplay on the 5800X3D is. Even when it was limited by the 2060 it might've only been up to 10-20 fps faster, but the 0.1%, 1%, 5% were insane. The great thing was how close the 0.1%, 0.2%, 1% and 5% fps were to the average. In Assetto Corsa which is very much CPU limited those often were just 13 fps lower (from 85-84 to 72fps on the 1%) whereas on the i5-6600k it was from from 58 average to 50.5 median down to 39 1% fps.
On the i5-6600k the 1% lows could often be 50% or less than the Average and Median while on the 5800X3D those are often 58-68% of the Medians and Averages.
In KCD it could be as low as 41% of the Average with the SATA SSD, and between 53-65% with the NVME SSD, while on the 5800X3D in the GPU limit with the 2060 it was 80% of the Averages, while with the 5800X3D+7900XT it is 71%, yeah closer to the Intel, but given that this is 137 fps vs. the Intel's 65% being 35.5 fps.....yeah I think anyone will get the point.
@@LupusAriesThose are some pretty impressive numbers my dude! For me it was cyberpunk 2077 my 1070ti with the i7 2600k was managing around 40-70fps at medium settings 1080p resolution. Now I'm getting around 80-144 on ultra with ray-tracing and the refresh rate capped at 144. Got lucky during the great gpu drought and got an rtx3080ti. Not going to bother with the new rtx4000 series they are meh for the money. Im will probably jump to amd for my next gpu.
Sandy Bridge i7 was such a good investment. No worthwhile upgrade up until 6 and 8 cores became the norm.
Great video, I think this alone proves platform longevity is a big benefit for consumers, intel needs to get onboard with this.
Still on my old R5 3600, next upgrade will certainly be the 5800X3D as I don't want to switch platforms yet.
Congrats on 1M subs!
I myself switched 3600 to a 5800x3d
you wont regret it and try to do it fast since the 3600 can still sell for some good money i sold mine for $80 i just added $200 for the upgrade
I did that upgrade and was well worth it!
Sounds like a good plan buddy! 👍🏻
I've sold my 3600 and my rtx 2060.
My next upgrade is the 5800x3d and the 7800xt :)
Hope you get to do your upgrade soon my friend! 😁
I hiked on this AMD Ryzen train and I also finally got R7 5800X3D, and boy the difference from my first R5 1600 is staggering. Good content as always mate. Tnx!😇😋
Am4 has been amazing value for me. I got a 1300x with an a320 board back in 2017. In 2022 I upgraded to a 3600 and I'll get probably do one more upgrade to a 5600x3d before I change platforms. That will probably happen in a few years though
I recently went from a 3600 to a 5600x3d. It was a massive improvement, and I highly recommend it!
AMD definitely won't achieve the same value with AM5. The platform was very expensive at launch (and it still is relative to AM4), and we've already had X3D chips on both platforms. 5800X3D was revolutionary, the subsequent models are just an evolution of that.
It's still nice that we can expect two more generations on this socket (especially compared to Intel), but if someone already has a 7800X3D, they probably won't gain more than 20-30% when they decide to upgrade two generations later.
I made the jump from 3700X to a 5800X3D too, buying it about a year ago. Just bought a new GPU replace my 2070 SUPER (went with a used 6800 XT), but knowing that I had the choice to upgrade to whichever GPU I would have wanted with little bottleneck is absolutely insane.
Congrats on 1M subs and awesome work over the years!
I upgraded to 5800X3D from a 9900K and I never looked back.
Holding until I see how the next generation 8000's performs
My AM4 journey I went from a 2600x, to 3700x, to 5900x, to 5800x3D currently paired with a 7900XTX at 3440x1440p. It's all well and good talking about average frame rates which as Steve has shown here are greatly improved, but the real star of the show for me was the improved minimum frame rates. A lot of games fur me suffered serious stuttering with the 3700x and 5900x, this was all completely fixed up with the 5800x3D.
Hey Steve Unboxed
Over to you, Steve!
Thanks for the video. Is the 9900k running at stock speeds when comparing? It's time for me to upgrade and I'm considering this 5800x·D (From my current 9900k), but I'd like to know if it's really that much difference when there's OC involved (My 9900k is running at 4.8Ghz).
I'm currently running a 3700x/RX 580 combo (thanks 2020!) and I'm looking to upgrade. I'm considering upgrading in two parts, one where I upgrade the GPU to a 7900xt, and then later the CPU to an AM5 platform. Since you used a 4090 here, would I get similar-ish results using a 3700x/7900xt combo, or would the performance drop be too much?
The performance would be less but should still be good enough but I would definitely get either the 5800x3d or the 7800x3d. For example I have an all white 4090 build with a 7800x3d and 64 gigs of ddr5.
i did go from a R5 2600x to a R5 3600X after that to a R5 5600x but about 6 months later i finally upgraded to a R7 5800X3D. All that on the same Mainboard. The Upgrade from the 5600X to the 5800X3D was mostly due to the way better .1% and 1% lows in games, that i started a bit of video editing and that i was sometimes a little bit cpu bottlenecked in Battlefield V. The 5800X3D is such a great and capable cpu.
I love my x370 Taichi... Got the 1600 in august 2017, upgraded to the 5600 in may 2022, and maybe just gonna go for a 5800x3d if things go that way...
My plan for last week, and you make video! Thank you
The 5800X3D is the best hardware purchase that I've made in quite some time. That's a lot of work you did here, appreciate it.
Went from a intel 6700k to a 7800x3d last month. Heard great things with am4 upgradability and hope ive backed the right horse and they do it with am5. Dont think ill regret not going for a 14700k despite never having an amd build until now. Extremely happy with my 7800x3d and cant wait to see what am5 brings. It actually makes pc hardware exciting for me again.
Well you already bought the best gaming cpu so I don't think you gonna upgrade that again on am5 unless there are some huge jumps again like from 2000 to 3000 cpus
When it comes to games the 7800 X3D leaves the 14700k in the dust in fact there is nothing Intel has out atm that can beat the 7800 X3D in raw gaming performance it even beats its bigger brothers the 7900 X3D and 7950 X3D thanks to it's single CCD.
Feels like an "i told you so" for rhe old recommendation of the am4 and longevity it had left to give fron 2020 and forward. Love these videos comparing old parts. Keep at it!
I've got the 7900xtx and ryzen 5 5600. I play both, 4K on TV and 1080p monitor. Is it a good idea to buy 580x3d (I'm on a B350 tomahawk motherboard, so it supports SAM, but no PBO), or wait for the next outings on AM5?
9900k still delivering solid performance, got another year or 2 in it yet.
the 3700X is also still pretty good on its own (slower than 9900k but still completely playable and smooth)
I switched from i5 8600k to 5800x3d and i saw performance boost instantly.The best upgrade i ever made.
Great work. Would be good to know if the same test with 2 or 3 different gpu tier if possible. or figure if is only the 4090 you able to see bottleneck at 4k.
3700X is my current CPU and considering just getting the 5800X3D or upgrading the whole system. This video is perfect for me! Thank you HUB!
The only "wrong" choice you could have made in late 2018 was invest in the TR4 platform and a Threadripper 2000-series CPU, expecting it to receive a similar upgrade path as the AM4 platform. That's what I did and boy, was it a big mistake in hindsight. Should've just gone for either a nice AM4 build or the then-new 9900K. As a result I was stuck on Zen+ for far longer than I would've liked and only late last year did I finally get to upgrade to AM5 with a 7700X.
I upgraded from a 3900X to a 5800X3D and couldn't be happier even with a RTX2080 there was still head room left on that card somewhat, the minium frame rates did jump around 50%. So got the 5800X3D a few weeks ago as i heard the 40 super refresh is coming with a potential price drop or even old cards will sell for cheaper to make way for the new cards...
This was the exact upgrade I did last year. I picked up a 5800x3D for $300 on sale. Fantastic move and the 5800x3D keeps up with top of the line processors today in gaming. It held off me upgrading to Ryzen 7000 series long enough for DDR5 prices to drop down and the AM5 platform to become more mature for the upcoming Ryzen 8k release.
This is what I’ve been looking for, recent pricing drops and unknown if a gpu upgrade is in the future, currently I have the 3700x and been looking to go with the 5900x,5800x or 3D. (Gpu is 2060s ,32gb g.skill ram) I stream and game on the one pc so looking to optimize any thoughts?
great video, I myself went from a 4790k to an R5 7600 and the results are monstrous
as a fellow AM5 user, how do you deal with the long post times xD?
lol ... if you went from 1800x to 7600 , margin would be even bigger !
I only reboot once every few weeks, or 1 time a month. It isn't an issue.@@roccociccone597
I read this as "i5 7600" and got mad confused
@@roccociccone597 got used to it eventually, when you come from Z97 and DDR3 I have become the post time. Could be quicker, but can’t really complain.
I'm actually considering this upgrade (from 3700x to 5800X3D). The 5800X3D is pretty pricy for a previous generation CPU though. It's 320 euro, while the 5800X is only 200 euro and the 7800X3D is 390 euro.
Hoping for a black friday sale on the 5800X3D or something.
Compared to a year ago they are about half price now (just in space of 4 months in the uk price reduced by £250-200 from its original price listing)
3000 to a 5800x3d is a good upgrade as your going from 3000 2x4 core 2x16mb L3 cache to a 5000 single 8 core single 32mb L3 cache with its 5000 ipc improvements (single 8 core ccd removes L3 cache copy latency is removed that you get with 3000 and especially the 2000/1000 cpus) then you throw the extra 64mb L3 cache on the 5800x3d its a monster
as the 3000 cpus L3 cache was 2x16mb not 32mb (16mb L3 per 4 cores but if the game was running across 5-8 cores it had to issue a lot of L3 copy to keep both 16mb l3 cache in sync)
it’s why you should still avoid the 12 core and 16 core parts even on 5000/7000 cpus and avoid the 7900x3d (never buy this specific cpu ever) and 7950x3d unless your using process lasso to force games onto first 16 threads and everything else (like obs/browser/apps) onto the 17 to 32 threads and disable Xbox game bar to disable core parking (once you have set up process Lasso it is fairly automatic,just make sure Xbox game is disabled after amd driver update)
7800x3d requires motherboard + ram (and maybe a cooler) so more then just the CPU price when getting the 7800x3d
Major thing with 5000 CPU was low level stuff AVX loads now run at full single cycle speeds (same as Intel) and both other other low level stuff that taken Mutiple cycles do it much faster (obs streaming for example via cpu encoder is like 50% improvement or more due to AVX and is unlikely to affect game play at high cpu preset levels , but you could just use nvidia nvenc to do all that work due to dedicated hardware in the gpu)
Fantastic. Thanks for making this video.
Tnanks for this very well done and informative video.
The things is, technically, 5800x3d is only 1 generation newer than 3000 series and it gives HUGE difference in gaming performance while maintaining the same AM4 platform compatibility.
I'm following pc gaming world for 20 years now and I don't remember any other CPU like this. Truly an engineering marvel.
4th gen Ryzen exists tho. Desktop included (OEM).
Helped my friend upgrade from a 1600X to a 5800X3D on an AB350. It’s almost a 3X performance uplift.
How, my ab350 cant work with anything higher than 3700x....
@@terraneuss3745 which board vendor? my A320 bios has support for 5800X3D (not recommended tho) mine is ASUS board
@@terraneuss3745 update your bios
@@musouisshin gigabyte AB350 fully supports 5800X3D
A friend when he upgraded from a Ryzen 7 1700 to a Ryzen 9 5900X the perfomance upgrade went beyond 3x, core count matters.
AM4 has been nothing short of amazing. Still using my old x370 board from back in 2017 with a 5800X3D. It will at least last me till 2025. 8 years on the same platform is just awesome.
im glad i spent a bit more on a x370 board where i normally cheap out on mobo's LOL i've had it for almost 6 years now ... its seen a 1600 a 3600 and now a 5800x3d
@@1q3er5 I had the exact same CPU's! Also spend more on a decent mobo with good VRM's (Asus Prime x370-pro) for upgrade purposes down the line.
Like I asked on the previous video, at what speed did you run the 9900k ??? Because I don't think I know anyone who didn't overclock this one.
Nothing better than getting validated for my choices. Upgraded to 5800x3d from 3700x about 6 months ago for £150 (after flipping 3700x). Couldn't be happier
I keep going back and forth on CPU upgrades. I've upgraded to AM5 and since it's obviously Zen4, I would typically be an ideal candidate, potentially. I think the issue I sort of have is, will a CPU and GPU upgrade only, in 3 or 4 years, probably 4 years for me, be worth it compared to just buying a whole new system? Will I be leaving performance or features on the table? Hmm, I just realised you can travel back in time and ask that question for AM4.
I've had computers for decades. My last desktops were A10 to 6600K to 5950X. I've never had the issue of worrying about in-place cpu upgrade. Between those upgrade cycles, so much else had improved on tech front also: coming of nvme drives, RAM from ddr3 to ddr4 1800 to ddr4 ~4000, PCIE gens etc. It is easy to switch mb while updating the rest of the system also and the old mb (and commonly ram too) can be sold together with the old cpu.
some people doesn't have a bulk money, changing the whole system will cost u at 1 time around 1000$, (300 for cpu, 200 for mb, 100 for psu, and 150-200 for ram) that is estimate for some 1440p avg build, it could be more. assume u sell the old system keep the gpu and drives, around 500$ you have to add in 500$ more.
What u get is a whole new system, improve ur fps from 100 to 140 fps. Now imagine this, you spend 200$ and ur system go 100 to 130fps with just cpu change (the other 10fps is for ram). Less headache on hunting for sale ram, sale psu, sale mb, you only need to hunt for cpu bargain.
It save times and bring a similar result or just a tiny bit less. overall it's a good thing for those who are lazy or not have so much time to hunt for PC parts.
So glad went from a i5 6600k to ryzen 7 3700x back in 2019, upgraded to 5800x3d paired with 4070ti at the start of this year and couldn't be happier!
I got a b350 board in 2017 with a Ryazan 1700. Upgraded to a 3600 then a 5800X3D. Just amazing value.
Planing to move from 3600 to 5800x3d. That will be massive improvement
awesome! i notice a lot of 3600s on ebay these days
Im currently running 5800x3d with 7900xtx - works perfect 😁
do you plan to upgrade gpu as well? if not, then maybe it will not be any improvements
And there is a massive price gap between these chips.
@@stangamer1151 i was planning to buy 3600 few years ago and wasnt that cheap those days...
5800X3D will go down on the Mt. Rushmore of Computer HW along with: The Sandy Bridge i5/i7s, The Phenom II x4 BE, The 8800GT, The GTX 970, The GTX 1080Ti
I want to build a pc. Is it too late to build one with AM4 parts? Should I go with AM5?
How will the results be with a more entry GPU live the RX6600 or a RX6700XT? Half the margin, or less?
Let’s see how the AM5 platform holds up. Be nice to see this become the standard cycle.
If zen6 hits am5 this will be another great platform from amd 😊
PC enthusiasts had to outrage 2 times to force this longevity, I wouldn't expected anything similar
@@finbruan intel to blame (and they still keep up their short platform support)
AM5 beats 12th, 13th and 14th gens in gaming performance and is guaranteed to support Zen 5 at minimum. Pretty good.
@@finbruan Or perhaps AMD woke up and realized that being forced to do the right thing is part of why they're doing so well. Lisa seems to be a smart cookie, and content pieces like this only adds to the market analysis conclusion that treating the DIY market well has deep knock-on effects in the pre-built SI/OEM segments, as practically all consumers who buy desktops have a friend or family member who are DIYers.
Hi Steve, very interesting review. As an i9-9900k owner, I am still rocking this platform as it is an overclocking champ. Currently running on 5GHz OC on all cores since the day I built it (about 4.5 years ago now). I am wondering if your testing was done with the i9-9900k at stock settings or overclocked? Reason being is pretty much every other 9900k user who bought this level of CPU for gaming will overclock, because it overclocks easily and is stable to 5GHz on all 8 cores for everyday use. I did some basic benchmarking on Baldur's gate at 1440p Ultra settings for 30 minutes of gameplay in the outdoor scenes (more demanding than indoor scenes to render), and was getting average FPS of 149 on my RTX3080ti.
even then, a magical 100% 1:1 overall improvement from an increase of GHZ of 11% (4.5 vs 5 ghz) will not yield such different results
@@C.r.i.m.s.o.n it depends on how the CPU was configured during testing. At stock TDP of 95W the 9900k runs at only 3.6GHz and will boost only its one or two best cores to around 4.6GHz. But if you have even a standard AIO or good air cooler that can handle around 200W, then you can boost all cores to 5GHz all day long. Which is how I have been running it. So that is more than an 11% boost. Btw, I also bought a Ryzen 5800X3D for my son's setup at home. And we see next to no difference in performance for many games, except those where the 3D cache comes into its own.
They're rocking an untuned, choked, slow as hell, xmped 9900K. This video is useless nonsense as always.
5ghz means almost nothing, it's after full memory tuning with subtimings and ring 9900K will get about 30% faster and easily match 5800x3d in many cases while still being a snappier cpu for normal usage. The fact that so many people are clueless shows how terribly techtubers failed to deliver information.
This is a great test Steve and I love that you did it. Though I wish you had thrown in the 5700X as well, given that it is a more affordable like for like upgrade of the 3700x.
My 4770k @4.4Ghz (paired with HD7950, RX480, 980ti and lastly 1080ti) was chugging along all these years and I was happy enough with it that i didn't see the need to upgrade, because it was only around the 2600 and 2700 AMD parts that performance of AM4 was on par with my CPU.
By then I figured there would only be one or maybe two more upgrades for AM4. So going to a 2600 / 2700 as a sort of sidegrade at the time didn't seem the best thing to do. So I waited some more.
Then, when I was finally ready to retire my 4770k (and 1080ti), well... 2021 happened.
So fast forward to 2023... I was done waiting and am now a happy AM5 owner.
But I do wonder what it would have been like riding the AM4 train... Hopefully I get a similar experience with AM5. Fingers crossed.
I upgraded from the 3600 to the 5800X3D. Was lucky that AMD came out with the 3D technology, else I don’t think I would have such a performance gain per money spent
9900k to 5800X3D was the upgrade I did. Weird to do a side upgrade to an platform just as old as the one you were on, but performance doesn't lie.
Should i upgrade to 5800X3D from a 9900K? I can get the CPU + motherboard 435$ new
@@MGB2408No you'd be better off going with AM5. If you don't wanna pay for a 7800x3d, then go with 7600x. You can get a 7600x, an am5 board and ddr5 for $399, even less if you try. That's microcenter price. Ryzen 5 7600/7600x generally performs close to a 5800x3d. Performance between the 2 will be near identical with any GPU other than a rtx4090 and fairly close even with the 4090. Just wiser to get the newer platform if you're spending $400. Then you can upgrade to a 7800x3d later if you want or better yet, wait for the next gen of AM5 CPUs. AMD stated that their new CPU releases will run on the current boards (x670, etc) until at least 2025 so the next couple generations of am5 cpus should slot in to the same board as a 7600x-7700x etc. Basically similar to how if you bought a x370 or b450 and installed a ryzen 5 2600, 3600 or 3700x and then years later slot the 5800x3d right in, that will also be what is possible with the new AM5 boards. If you had a am4 board now, then I could see upgrading to a ryzen 5000 series but you can get the latest gen for similar money now
@@MGB2408 if the 3D V-cache is important for your main games sure, otherwise I'm not so sure
@@HazewinDog My main game is star citizen
Well, I recently upgraded my Ryzen 1600 on B350 motherboard to 5800X3D with the same mobo and ram. So I have like 4 generations better performance for the price of CPU alone. I will skip AM5 entirely most likely and wait until AM6 with DDR6 or whatever, as this 5800X3D upgrade was so efficient in terms of money spend per performance gain, that AM5 has nothing to offer, unless there will be CPUs like 300% faster to make up for the price of new motherboard + ram + cpu.
How do you guys feel about doing a re-test of some cards such as 6xxx and 5xxx AMD series cards with newer drivers as they've given us a lot of gains? I personally would love to see how code and games have become more efficient. If you setup a PC with the exact same specs as a test bench from 2 years ago, then tested new drivers and code updates in games to see how far this has come.
umdervolt and overclock as well
Might as well do a side by side with the same AMD GPUs on Linux.
There's been some crazy gains in DX12 performance in Linux, in Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 especially.
3D V-Cache ruined intel
AM4 is an absolute gem of a platform , I went from r5 3600 to 5700x to 5800x3d and I stayed with my motherboard and ram all the way through, chances are the 5800x3d will be my cpu for a few more years to come.
I went a similar route. But the r5 3600 and now 5800x3d with an rx6800 and 32 gb ram. Happy with the decision.
Thanks so much for revisiting the 5800x3D before the holiday sales kick off.
At the time the 3700 and 9900 were contemporary, no one could have predicted AMD was capable of making a chip like the 5800X3D in the distant future. People who stuck with AM4 that long basically just got lucky.
agreed, went from 2700x to 5800x3d ^^
This has to be a joke, I was just googling and thinking about exactly this topic. since I have 3700x and were thinking about 5800x3d upgrade :D Thank you
- Video posted 1 minute ago :D
will still a similar improvement when using b450m? currently using 3600 on a b450m mobo with 5700 xt
what happen to the other video ??? there was an video about 3600??? or 9400k? i forgot because it looks like a series
5800x3D is easily the 1080ti of CPUs. Still a beast.
But with alan wake 2 the 1080 ti died
@@onlyadel1388give it 8 months till its optimization, then it will be sound
@@solaireastora5394 it cant since the GPU doesn't have the hardware required
Is it only me? I don't care about these newest boring and demanding games such as aw 2, 1080ti is still prob okay
@@dzejkob8 its just the beginning in 2-3 years every game will be min. demanding as aw2
It's a crime that you guys have less than a million subscribers! Probably the best hardware reviews on youtube!
Don't call the police, we have over 1 mill. But thank you :)
Congratz!
@@Hardwareunboxed
Upgraded from r7 2700 to 5800X3D for 250$ in september, I was planning to go straight to AM5 and 7800X3D, but at the time decided not to, cause of the whole overvolting problem (saved money went to my next planned upgrade, when next generation of GPUs release). i9 9900k can be an upgrade though, especially from older skylake systems with good motherboards, thanks to coffeemod, and especially now when okay motherboards cost arm and a leg
The AM4 platform is qreat - though I wonder if it's worth trying to upgrade a first or second gen Zen CPU to a Ryzen 3000 or 5000 series CPU or even APU. Would a Ryzen 3000 or 5000 APU even work on a X370 Motherboard as a 'value' option?
It's a shame that the 5800X3D's price hasn't dropped in response to the new products launching, in South Africa.
Yip, 5700x is just over half of the x3d, and uses a lot less power, so this side the x3d isn't that great value for money :( Still on the fence though, full on 7800x3d/7700x upgrade or just jump to 5700x for now
5800X3D best AM4 CPU
Is a b450m mobo ok for 5800x3d? I'm planning to upgrade from ryzen 3 3200g but what gpu will be suitable with it?
Hello! For 7800x3d Mobo ASRock B650M PG Riptide (none wi-fi,,) it is good motherboard ?
Still love my 5800x3d. Works great with my b450 tomahawk and 7900 xtx.
What settings please. Stock? -30 on per cores? thanks
@@Ladiozwhat does the -30 refer to
@@leeksoup3199CPU core curve optimization
@@Ladioz i would have to check in bios, but I think I set -20 once and it has been stable ever since.
@@SgtRock4445 Thank you, please check and confirm
I'd love to see the cheap 6 core 5600 run against these older 8 core options in all these newer games
I really loved this comparison, thanks Steve for all you do.
I currently have a 5600X and im getting a bit of a bottleneck on Milsim games but for everything else my 5600X is more than enough, would you recommend getting the 5800x3D or going for AM5? Thanks!
Depending on your budget if you dont want to upgrade toam5 then get the 5800x3d but if you do want to upgrade then get the 7800x3d.
I recently upgraded from a 3800X to a 5800X3D and I will say I wouldnt have spent the 290 bucks if my old one didnt break down on me. The price went up 40 bucks shortly before I needed it :C While there is definitely an improvement in the every day use its barely noticeable for me and definitely not 290 bucks worth of better.
I'm not playing the latest titles and I also still use a 1060 6GB so there is that.
As positives I can mention that RPCS3 runs better (tho there will be perf improvements anyway) and I can finally run my 4400MT/s kit with its full speed, my 3800X literally wouldnt boot higher than 3600, regardless of XMP or not.
I upgraded to AM4 in Jan 2020 from my Intel i7 2600 so the leap was enormous. While I would say that AM4 was a decent platform we better shouldnt forget the first 2 gens of Ryzen were absolute dogwater, which is also why I waited for 3000 to hit for an upgrade. 3800X, 5800X3D and to a certain extend 5600X are still capable CPUs today but I'm pretty sure they will look terrible once Nova lake hits in 2027, by then you will need an upgrade I suppose, even if you got a 5800X3D like I do.
That's still 4 years on however, and the only reason we've had major CPU performance uplifts is because of ryzen.
Indeed. There are so many comments here on "excellent upgrades" when people have been so dissatisfied with their pcs that they needed new cpus every year. For me Zen 3 was the only decent AM4 gen. I went from 6600k to 5950x. Next upgrade at some point in the future, perhaps directly to a platform using DDR6.
Fairly sure you'd be losing performance with your mem set to that speed. You want 1:1 fclock and mclock. Most 5800X3Ds should hit 1800 on the fabric, so if your fabric is running at 1800 your memory should be at 3600MTs.
You also probably shouldn't have purchased 4400MTs memory for the 3000 series. Successful running memory Faster than 3600 was lucky silicon, and again best performance was achieved by 1:1 fclock mclock.
@@H3kler I can personally confirm that loading screens under 4400 have sped up. Which is the exact reason for my purchase. I didnt really do it for more FPS.
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa well you have to keep in mind I only did a small generational jump from 3000-5000. I'm surprised I could feel a difference at all. Like I said the upgrade from the i7 2600 to the 3800X felt like light years and thats to be expected when its an almost 10 year old chip (at the time, more like 12 now) and also going from 1333 DDR3 to 3200 DDR4 made apps open so quickly damn