✏️ Protestant Speaks at LDS History Conference
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- A lot can happen in a year, and that’s certainly the case with this channel.
A little over a year ago, I walked through the door to my very first ward visit to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As a lifetime Protestant, I didn't know anything walking in.
There were similarities to my lifetime beliefs, but also very different concepts. But the perplexing takeaway was the reception from members and missionaries - and especially follow-up. It was the best impression of any church I had visited as a first-time visitor after more than 100 documented church visits-leaving me wonder why most churches rely on email communication as opposed to the missionary model.
After that visit, a lot of doors opened that accelerated my interest in the Latter-day Saint pioneers and the resulting complex history. I was blessed to attend different Restoration churches that had split from the mainstream LDS Church (i.e. Community of Christ, The Church of Jesus Christ, and Strangite Church), and strangely because of that, this channel became a point-of-reference to compare and contrast different Book of Mormon-believing churches.
For this year's John Whitmer Historical Association held in Fredericksburg, Texas - the idea was floated around to include a session featuring RUclips podcasters and their engagement with various Latter-day Saint branches. Steven Pynakker from @MormonBookReviews , Rick Bennett of @GospelTangents , and I accepted the invitation to present our personal experiences in front of an audience full of professors, scholars, and historians.
Here's a look into how the event turned out.
If you'd like the blog post by Kyle Beshears, link can be found at kylebeshears.substack.com/p/a...
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▶️ Timestamps:
0:00 Fredericksburg
0:22 A Lot Can Change in a Year
4:49 Inside JWHA
6:21 JWHA Background
8:04 LDS Pioneers in Texas
9:29 Latter day Saints in Space
11:16 RUclipsr Session
12:47 The "UNobvious" Difference
14:56 Hymn Festival Thoughts
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Thanks to all those involved with JWHA for hosting. Hope you enjoyed this brief look into what a Latter Day Saint history conference looks like.
Wait, Community of Christ wasn't welcoming, remember--so how could you say all the ones from that movement? I'm not CofC but I've heard the congregations in Utah are exploding because they attract ex-latter-day-saints. They also have a university in Iowa and I imagine that congregation will be totally different. Maybe they deserve a do-over?
You’re just awesome, I love how you interact and learn. No wonder they invited you - you’re genuine and kind, honest and open.
Wonderful presentation, David. We are absolutely thrilled to learn of your subsequent baptism into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Great episode. It was wonderful to share with you at the JWHA conference. Your presentation with Rick Bennett from Gospel Tangents and Steve Pynakker from Mormon Book Reviews is one that will be a favorite for many. I also noticed the beauty of the group. As a first time attendee, I was surprised how little what church I belonged to meant to anyone. We were a group of Mormon history lovers.
Well done, my friend.😊
WHY DO LDS REJECT GOD OF BIBLE & BELIEVE IN FALSE GOD OF Joseph Smith?
ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH?
NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 facsimiles taken from an ancient papyrus, shown to be a fraud years later. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In Facsimiles Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE
NO trace of the “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It would be impossible for these millions of dead warriors in armor to leave no trace.
NO trace of the great city Zarahemla- it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace.
NO trace of Jewish dna found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher):“We are in a dilemma, the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005
NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. If the temple Nephi describes ever existed it could not disappear.
NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings ever found anywhere as it is not even a recognized language anywhere.
NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) anywhere. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed.
NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet not one ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished.
The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans.
NO wheat, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24
There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77)
Amazing experience, thanks for sharing. I love when Childrens choirs sing I am a child of God. Gets me every time
I always enjoy Davis's comments and videos. He and Steven Pinegar are breaking old barriers between the Latter-Day Saint restoration branches. Good Job and keep it up!
what about truth?
WHY DO LDS REJECT GOD OF BIBLE & BELIEVE IN FALSE GOD OF Joseph Smith?
ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH?
NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 facsimiles taken from an ancient papyrus, shown to be a fraud years later. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In Facsimiles Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE
NO trace of the “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It would be impossible for these millions of dead warriors in armor to leave no trace.
NO trace of the great city Zarahemla- it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace.
NO trace of Jewish dna found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher):“We are in a dilemma, the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005
NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. If the temple Nephi describes ever existed it could not disappear.
NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings ever found anywhere as it is not even a recognized language anywhere.
NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) anywhere. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed.
NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet not one ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished.
The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans.
NO wheat, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24
There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77)
I'm really close to this part of LDS History. My ancestors followed Lyman White to Texas until later rejoining the main LDS body in Utah. What was really interesting is I grew up in California and a guy in my ward was the descendent of one of the missionaries who came to Texas and invited my ancestors to rejoin the saints in Utah.
I've enjoyed your thoughts and content here. Would you ever consider talking to David Alexander, a RUclips creator who was in Evangelical Christianity for 47 years? He has such an interesting take an story.
Steven is awesome. I am so glad you got this opportunity and also very glad you shared it with us. Thank you David.
Thanks Bob, glad you enjoyed it and hope you're doing well!
Lyman Wight is my great great great Uncle. My line of Wights did go on to Utah.
Cool! He is also my third great Uncle! I'm descended from his brother Daniel. My line (Stephen Wight) also made the trek to Utah
Jamestown NY.
We have a Wight in our Bishopric.
A good friend.
Always enjoy your thoughts and sharing of experiences!
Enjoy your remarks, you seem very genuine, make shure if you read the Book of Mormon that you earnestly pray about it, if it is a true testament of Jesus Christ .
I learned we have a common friend…Sister Stringham. She’s a great missionary and now friend.
Thank you for doing God's work as you have been called! 📿🙏
David, I look forward to your videos about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and find your candor refreshing. I love seeing The Church through your eyes, and I daresay that you know quite a bit of history that many Church members don't. Thank you for the time you take to search out the accurate history of The Church, and to present it respectfully here on your channel. I look forward to more videos from you, and enjoy hearing your perspective. Perhaps once these 52 weeks are finished, you could start a new channel named "52 Doctrinal Topics of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 52 Weeks" since you seem to have a sincere desire to learn so much about Jesus' restored Church. Such videos would also help to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world, via all of your subscribers. Thank you for all you do.
Great life adventure! I pray you find truth and feel the Homy Ghost. 😊
Did you record your speech from the conference? I would love to hear it!
Yes I'd love to hear it too!
Great video, as usual 👌
Buzz Aldrin, a Catholic, took communion on the moon.
Thank you very much for sharing!
Lovely ❤
If you can, I would recommend that you take the opportunity to go to a non-English-speaking lds ward and record your thoughts and impressions. Additionally, I'd recommend you find the hymns that aren't in the English Hymnbook for additional insight. My favorite is "otro ano ha pasado" from the Spanish Hymnbook.
This was my thought. I also though maybe going o a foreign country for a visit as well.
Is that your voice in the forefront? What a pleasant singing voice you have! On a more general note: To me you have such a refreshing, open approach to the different churches you engage with. I really enjoy listening to you.
I agree - it is a very strong, pleasant voice.
Thank you for comment. As for the singing voice, I wish! It was the gentleman seated next to me. Amazing voice.
No matter. Though his voice was a pleasant addition, it's your thoughts and narration that bring us to and keep us on your channel.@@52churchesin52weeks
You cut your podcast too short I wanted to hear more of the meeting and the talks :-) thank you for sharing!
Very cool. My cousin served part of his mission in Fredericksburg. He loved it there.
Great video ❤ I am a child of God was one of my sons favorites. Now he loves A child’s prayer. It’s a children’s hymn.
Referring to Senator Jake Garn, I heard him speak at a ‘Fireside’ meeting in the late 80’s at a Chapel in Salt Lake. It was fascinating how he described the earth as a living entity and the indescribable beauty he witnessed.
I went to Fredericksburg with my family in March or April and it was awesome! It’s the perfect place for me as both a German/linguistics nerd and a Mormon history nerd. Thanks for your insight into this year’s JWHA!
Holy smokes, you have a beautiful singing voice 😁👏
❤❤I love how you do your work, you overview is so wide and very structured, you really act as a professional, because you define your theory with big induction insights, you understand the assumption because present the concepts as really are, and have a great control of the prepositions, that type of research light the mind of people, because it is not based on feelings and knowledge according to my perspective, LDS community know how respect and love other even do not be agree, LDS community do not attack any difference beliefs, because we know they are doing the best they can do. There is a lot to o learn in the church of Jesus Christ of latter days Saints, you are welcoming brother, ❤❤❤ thanks for your videos and your respectful understanding of the LDS community. ❤
Wonderful video
FYI-music while you’re speaking is super distracting. Enjoy you channel. 😊
You are what Hello Saints says it is.
Sacrament sans gravity; never even considered that before…
Incredible.
Latter day history actually full fills prophecy .
I am enthralled with you and thank you for these wonderful videos. Mother Theresa wasn’t a kind woman. She caused much suffering for the poor and innocent in Calcutta. Told by many historians in India.
Some truth to what you say. On the topic of truth-
WHY DO LDS REJECT GOD OF BIBLE & BELIEVE IN FALSE GOD OF Joseph Smith?
ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH?
NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 facsimiles taken from an ancient papyrus, shown to be a fraud years later. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In Facsimiles Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE
NO trace of the “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It would be impossible for these millions of dead warriors in armor to leave no trace.
NO trace of the great city Zarahemla- it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace.
NO trace of Jewish dna found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher):“We are in a dilemma, the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005
NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. If the temple Nephi describes ever existed it could not disappear.
NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings ever found anywhere as it is not even a recognized language anywhere.
NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) anywhere. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed.
NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet not one ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished.
The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans.
NO wheat, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24
There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77)
I heard that too.
Have a look into Dr Lynn Ridenhour and his journey with the book of mormon
It finally dawned on me the other day why latter-day saint churches were awkward for you, you went to a family ward instead of a singles' ward (congregation)! That would be an entirely different experience. Some people hate singles' wards because they are overwhelmingly female, and they want to feel more nurtured because regular wards do that better, and if people are in the singles' ward they want to get married and they are self-conscious of that the whole time (which makes it harder to focus on one's relationship with God). On the other hand as a married person I think the singles' wards have a lot more fun and attention from the church headquarters because they don't want to lose them. Once they are married the church takes a deep breath and says, okay you're good, and one's all where's all the attention and programs that bent over backwards for my needs? Fun times though. I wonder, how many Christian churches are doing a separate singles focus? Do they have separate congregations for them? If so you should try a congregation of some kind that focuses on those who aren't married and see what happens. I know the church is considering a pilot where people under a certain age regardless of their marital status go to church together and people above go together, but it's just a pilot, it doesn't mean it will happen. There may be some barriers attending a singles' ward though because predators and people who are already married sneak into them and they want to guard against that--but I may be wrong. They have two categories of singles' wards, the more balanced and vibrant 18-30 year olds called YSAs or young single adults, and 31-45 category--which has the 2/3 to 1/3 ratio and has a little more stress in it because the women are competing and the men can't figure out why they can't find anyone despite an imbalanced ratio.
Could you share your presentation? :)
Thanks for your videos! I hope you have a wonderful experience in studying God's word in the Book of Mormon, and that you find great truth in it that strengthens you spiritually and helps you draw closer to Jesus Christ. I believe that anyone who seeks truth in sincerity will.
It's only mildly related to this particular video, but I have a question for you from things you've expressed previously. Other Christian religions have a practice referred to as the Eucharist or Communion, which is similar at least in appearance and scriptural origin to the ordinance referred to as the Sacrament in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, of which I am a member. I remember you saying that you'd had at least one off-putting experience with a church where you wanted to participate in the Communion they offered but were denied (due to your lack of membership in the church, if I remember correctly). What is the meaning of Communion for you? Why do you do it and why is it important for you? I don't want to influence your thoughts too much by saying it, but I can tell you why we participate in the Sacrament: it is a renewal of the covenant to follow Christ that we make through baptism, and an opportunity to recommit ourselves to those covenants. There are specified words in the prayer we offer as part of the ordinance that state the purpose as well; we pray to God the Father and "witness unto [Him] that [we] are willing to take upon [us] the name of [His] Son, and always remember him, and keep his commandments which he hath given [us], that [we] may always have his Spirit to be with [us]." Again, why and how is Communion meaningful for you? I'd be very happy with a response either in text here or vocally in a future video, if you wouldn't mind providing either.
BOM is sadly not God's word. God is truth.
WHY DO LDS REJECT GOD OF BIBLE & BELIEVE IN FALSE GOD OF Joseph Smith?
ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH?
NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 facsimiles taken from an ancient papyrus, shown to be a fraud years later. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In Facsimiles Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE
NO trace of the “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It would be impossible for these millions of dead warriors in armor to leave no trace.
NO trace of the great city Zarahemla- it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace.
NO trace of Jewish dna found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher):“We are in a dilemma, the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005
NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. If the temple Nephi describes ever existed it could not disappear.
NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings ever found anywhere as it is not even a recognized language anywhere.
NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) anywhere. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed.
NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet not one ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished.
The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans.
NO wheat, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24
There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77)
Bahai furure...
If the kingdom of God were actually on the earth.....
Jesus came to glorify the Father
People talk about Jesus’ divinity without ever acknowledging the one who gave him his divinity and authority (Matthew 28:18-19). God is Jesus’ Father, and Jesus is God’s only begotten Son. They are not the same entity, but they are always in agreement because Jesus does and says everything that his Father tells him.
Jesus was born without an earthly father. He was sent here to tell us about the will of his heavenly Father, not himself. Jesus is the manifestation of God’s power and spirit in the flesh, but he is not God himself. The Father works in and through Jesus. If you truly cherish Jesus, then you will glorify the Father just as Jesus glorifies Him. We must glorify the Almighty Father, who gave Jesus life (John 5:26), the entire revelation (Revelation 1:1), and all power in heaven and on earth. Without the Father, there is no Son; and without Jesus, there is no means of salvation for us.
“For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (Jesus) should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).
Have you been following all the recent court cases involving Mormons? Daybell, for instance?
So . So Ted Bundy was baptized too . So
There had been many other court cases involving folks of many other religions too. There are bad apples in every religion.
So . Did you also know that Ted Bundy was baptized ? So what .