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❄️ Protestant Attends the Latter Day Saint (Strangite) Church
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- While doing #52in52, one of the most surprising aspects has been the overwhelming kindness of Latter-day Saints. As a lifetime Protestant, my curiosity was only compounded by the divine claims of Joseph Smith and relentless faith of the LDS pioneers, who literally made a desert bloom in a 19th century re-telling of Exodus.
When Joseph Smith was martyred in 1844, it led to a succession crisis for leadership. The vast majority followed Brigham Young to Utah, but there were a few who originally sided with others who claimed to have legitimacy and splintered off. The most curious was James Strang.
Strang lived in southern Wisconsin, where he converted to Mormonism and was baptized by Joseph Smith. Strang claimed he received the "Letter of Appointment" from Smith days before his murder, thus naming him new leader. Strang went on to claim he had been ordained by a host of angelic beings, citing Hebrews 7:7 that the "lesser cannot ordain the greater." He would also uncover buried metallic plates in front of witnesses, both Strangites and non-Saints. Those within the LDS inner circle scoffed at Strang's claims, but early on, reportedly 12,000 followed Strang versus Young's 50,000.
The Strangites would move to Voree (meaning "Garden of Peace"), then expand to Beaver Island in Michigan. The Rise and Fall of Strang could be linked here, as Strang introduced polygamy and declared himself spiritual king of the church - the nickname "Beaver Island's Mormon King" has floated around, but that wasn't true. Gaining enemies, Strang was shot in the back by two dissenters, and although he had enough time to name a successor before he died, it didn't happen.
After Strang's death and no directive for leadership, what happened to the Strangites on Beaver Island was sickening. They were rounded up, property confiscated, and were shipped out by steamboat. They would be scattered throughout the docks of Lake Michigan between docks from Chicago through Green Bay. Those on missions who returned to family were left clueless what happened. Leaderless and scattered, most Strangites joined another group (RLDS, now Community of Christ), and those who remained loyal to the memory of James Strang have remained small ever since. So the belief is only Smith and Strang were prophets (since an angel must ordain), and now the Strangites represent the church in a probationary state until the last days.
For Week 39, went to the only remaining remnant church building of the Strangites. Through networking, I got in contact with their historian who invited me into his home to share the history before attending service. Though small, it's a friendly and healthy church. Despite having radically different beliefs, I can't say enough good things about the Strangites accepting me for this Saturday service to learn more.
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▶️ Timestamps:
0:00 Mormon Road
0:45 Week 39
2:10 Who is James Strang?
3:00 Latter-Day Saint Influence
5:38 Strang's Role in Succession Crisis
7:49 Inside Strangite Church
8:47 LDS Literature
9:32 Approach for this Visit
12:26 Rise and Fall of James Strang
17:32 Service Insights
20:32 Acceptance Despite Different Beliefs
22:01 Cardinal Sighting
23:35 Week 40 Preview
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We love you too David. I've said it before on the other video, ask God, in the name on Jesus what the cardinals mean. Ask for guidance. Your journey is an inspiration to others. I enjoy and appreciate your journey, Your LDS Family
One interesting thing about the succession after Joseph Smith died, since, at that time there was no clear method, anyone who made a claim got up in from of the collective church and preached. Brigham Young, the senior apostle, is said to have his countenance change and he looked and sounded like Joseph Smith. Now, the senior apostle becomes the prophet and president of the church. You can hear him speak at general conference twice a year in Utah in April and October. It is free. Welcome. It is quite an event.
@@davidjanbaz7728 that is how the people chose who to follow, I'm not saying that is how God chose him.
Tonight I watched your visit to the Episcopal Church. What a beautiful building. Very sad to see declining attendance in many churches. Is it the church? Or is it the people? Or is it a combination? The Bible has many prophecies about our times. Many scriptures about a refreshing time, or a restitution of former doctrines, also John in Revelations saw “ an angel flying thru Heaven having the everlasting gospel.” And were also told that people will be ever learning and “Never able to come to a knowledge of the truth”. Keep up the good work. I’m enjoying learning more and more by watching your videos.
I would really enjoy it if you could visit the Church of Christ (temple lot). They're the latter day saint denomination that owns the original plot of land where the first temple in Independence was supposed to be built.
The first time I heard of “Mormons” was when my family took our boat out to beaver island and we walked around their old settlement. It was a sad, lonely place. 30 some years later I am a very happy member of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thank you for your videos!
I am a 77 year old LDS member currently serving a third mission with my wife this time at the Church’s Historic Kirtland Ohio Site. I am very much enjoying your 52 in 52. Success and peace in your travels. I agree with you as it says in Colossians, “to represent Jesus well”. That we can all do. Shalom!
Wait Brother, did you say 3rd Mission!?!?
I am LDS and I really enjoyed this video. You are showing me things about our chruch history that I never even knew about. I am also learning more about our history.
I served as a LDS missionary in Wisconsin. Burlington was in the last area I served in. I had no idea about the strangites until I was walking down the street and ran into their chapel, and historic park area. Fun to see this video! I have loved your videos and spiritual journey. May our Heavenly Father and his blessed son, Jesus Christ, continue to bless you!
I’ve heard so little about The Strangite offshoot that I’d forgotten about them.
This is my fourth Church visit I’ve watched. I really appreciate the work you do and how you don’t bash any Church. Thank you.
I've read the letter and studied the history of James Strang, thoroughly. James Strang joined the LDS church about 3-months before Joseph Smith's death and persuaded Joseph to allow Strang to start a branch (small congregation) in Wisconsin with the saints there. Joseph wrote a letter confirming James Strang will lead the church in that part of Wisconsin as its branch president, but never appointed Strang as an Apostle, or any other leader of the church. Joseph had already confirmed ALL of the rights and authority of the church on the 12 Apostles, which all 12 Apostles at the time confirmed happened, teaching them that when he dies, they will lead the church as they did in Jesus' day, with the senior Apostle as their president. Strang claimed to have seen an angel when nobody believed he should lead the church, which changed to angels, but none of his followers ever saw one or experienced any miracles of any kind, and Strang was ultimately seen as a fraud by his own followers. I met a Strangite about 18-years ago, who told me there were only a couple of dozen members left in their church, so interesting to see there's still a few. We're all trying to follow Jesus Christ the best we can, we just need to rely on the Holy Spirit for guidance and love. Great videos!
This would make JJS a stake president, which the 12 have no jurisdiction over, there, or anywhere in the church…
@@adamshaffer1232: That would make James Jesse Strang a fraud, and D. Michael Quinn even said he was a fraud.
Another Latter Day Saint here. Its been so great to follow you and your sincere and unflappable faith in Christ and his spirit.
Strang was initially against polygamy and that that drew a number of members to follow him. When he reversed himself on that a lot of people left and it went downhill from there. I personally know someone who is a direct descendant of James Strang. Her father joined the main LDS church as a teenager. She is probably the very first descendant of James Strang to be married in the temple.
The fruits. THANK YOU for seeing the fruits! People often look at the roots too much and forget to see the fruits of the roots. Which is what we need to do. Especially in our days. “Ye may know them by their works” or in other words, their fruits.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints. I very much enjoy your videos. Very informative and helpful . I feel like you are a brother in Christ.
I so love you sharing your cardinal experiences. For me, it’s been the hawk. There’s something about seeing a hawk that has always stirred my soul. But in the last 15 years, God has been using that to bring me comfort in moments when I needed to know that I was being seen and heard and loved. I would be driving or just sitting on my front porch or wherever, struggling with what ever trial, I was currently dealing with, and I would see a hawk soaring high above me in the sky- usually, circling above my area. Each time, I would know that my Savior was aware of me, and wanted to reassure me that I was not alone in that moment.
God knows us so well individually, He knows what we will identify with, and loves us enough to use those things to remind us that He is there-always.
Thank you for this amazing journey that you are sharing. I’ve been learning so much since discovering these videos recently. And I particularly love your genuine approach that is not biased or agenda-driven. So many documentaries or docuseries are dripping with personal prejudice. Yours are just so refreshing. Thank you for your honesty and for sharing your heart. God bless! ❤🙏🏻
I totally agree with you and appreciate your input to this video, sincerely, brother Powers
Fascinating. I'm LDS and didn't even know a Strangite church existed. Loved your explanation. Off to Saints Unscripted to learn more about James Strange.
The issue with these churches is: once you find out the book of Mormon is true, you still need to figure out which of the dozens restoration churches is true, because after Joseph's death, there was no clear successor, as the only defined successor would have been Hyrum. So this starts a second round of necessary inquiry the LDS church does not want you to know about.
Jesus said if you love me, feed my sheep. Often i go to church to be fed but neglect my responsibility to feed others. I love Jesus and I appreciate your wristband that reminds you to represent Him well. I am striving to be a better representative of Him too. Thank you so much for your willingness to learn about the restoration and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I hope you can get to a temple open house soon!
Temple open house is an awesome idea, David.
I like that all you want to do is just see what a lot of churches teach . Not out to convert or point out faults or preach . Unlike pastor Jeff . You don’t lie about what your goal is and you stick to it . If you did honestly feel anything at conference and visiting the churches . If you felt anything there . I hope yip will be back to Learn mote with an open heart . Don’t shake off those feelings .this is the true restored gospel of Jesus Christ which came with a great price and sacrifice to restore it back to earth . If will roll forward as the mountain cut out and roll forward never to be taken off again . Brigham young is the modern day Moses who lead modern Israel to their promised land in Utah . Gathering Israel back through missionaries . Finding Israel .
@@lindamartinez7006 Well Said 🙌🏻 May Heavenly Father Bless you and May He Bless this gentleman discoverer 🙏🏻😊🕯
@@lindamartinez7006 I highly recommend looking at the translation of the ancient papyri that JS translated into the Pearl of Great Price. It was just a funerary record. It proves Joseph Smith was a fraud. Also, look into the Kinderhook plates. Not trying to bash, just looking at the truth. Also, the historical inaccuracies in the Book of Mormon is highly suspicious. It’s extremely important that we look at the truth and history.
I'm a Latter-day Saint living in Tucson. I know 1 Strangite living in Missouri who is a wonderful person. Strangites are our religious cousins. Thanks so much for doing these videos! I love watching Snell on Saints Unscripted. I bet they'd love to have you come on their show!
I’m a latter-day saint also living in the Philippines and that might be true that they are our cousins, but they are going to be extinct one of these days. Like the community of Christ Church will be extinct at some point. while our church just keeps growing and growing. Can’t wait until conference comes to get the audit of the new membership numbers.
@@KB-nv4bl thats a reality. I was baptized in 2020, and only talked with Missionaries when the Spirit had Withdrawn, long story, but yah of only more people would read it with a James 1:5 Mindset.
@@KB-nv4bl oh please you were likely Catholic and got bored with it so converted to be “different “
Thank you so much for going to this church and many others and being so respectful to all of them, to share with us your journey! I always wondered who the Strangites were. I am LDS and I have read all seven volumes of church history, it is the 1978 Edition. It mentioned about them and I always wondered what happened to the Strangites. Keep up the great adventure! I'm enjoying the trip with you! I'm learning a lot! I love to learn about other religions. Also I looked up in Google what a Cardinals meaning is. "Deeply Spirtual, a symbol of hope and Peace."
Interesting how you feel there is symbolism in these visits. Hope God gives you the clarity your heart is seeking to find 🙏🏼
I really enjoyed this one. As a lifelong LDS (mainstream) I knew there were breakaway congregations, I didn’t know there were many more than the Community of Christ. Keep up the great work.
I love how kind and welcoming ALL these churches are to you! Especially a small church like this one, it must be so wonderful for them to have a visitor who comes with good intentions, just wanting to understand what they believe. I can’t stop watching your videos! I am learning so much about all these churches and I appreciate the way you are approaching each visit with an open heart. It is truly Christlike!
I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints, Interesting visit. I was familiar with Strangites splinter but only a little bit. I have enjoyed your videos. Wish you luck with whatever your are searching for and appreciate your diligence in searching.
Thanks for doing this! I am enjoying your search!! It is nice to know that there is someone out there that believes in God and wants to find out more from other religions!! I vote Saints Unscripted!
You clearly attracted an LDS audience to your channel hahaha! I am one, and this is fascinating info about the Strangites… I either knew nothing about them ever or I forgot at some point. Thanks for the great content!
The one offshoot church that holds to the true Sabbath. The one thing I can appreciate about this faction.
Interesting that Gospel Tangents has just recently been putting out more interviews about the Strangites!
Edit: I am just blown away by your unbiased approach. Love your videos!
Saw that too! I had to watch the interviews with Kyle Beshears and now Vickie Speek. Highly recommended to check those out for anyone interested in learning more on Strangite church history.
And thanks for the compliment, much appreciated.
I'm a big fan of your channel and a Latter-day Saint who grew up in the Hillsong Church from Australia. Thank you for taking us on your life journeys. Maybe you're an all denomination person with your spirituality. Keep the faith!
Whoa!!! You grew up in hillsong church! I would love to hear your conversion story
The Cardinal was for Saints Unscripted. For sure 💯😂
I’ve been a member of the actual LDS church all my life but never once heard about Strang or the Strangite church. I appreciate you going there. I thought it was fascinating and I really leaned a lot from this video!
Loved the video. I stopped by this church several years ago, and very much enjoyed the people I met. Fellow Wisconsinite here, former LDS, current Community of Christ member. Community of Christ Milwaukee congregation would love to meet you, feel free to stop by any time.
Not only do you appear to be representing Christ well, but you are encouraging others to do so. David, seriously, honestly, really (It is hard to convey emotion in type) I am now a better human being and a better Christian and a better adherent to the church I attend because I have gotten to know you, so when I say thank you in each video, I mean THANK YOU because you have blessed me.
BOB A loves "I don't want to convert. I don't want to be converted. I want to learn." Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you David.
Usually I wait til the end of the video to comment, but I had to stop the tape and get those in there.
Wow awesome story. Thank you for the history and background. Several years ago, for about a two month period, I felt strongly impressed to poke me head around the restoration community. I did some light research of many many groups and then checked out several blogs and chats. I found sadness. It made me sad. So much commentary on how these various groups where continuing to split or dwindle like the shakers, and they disagreed with each other on this and that, but they all (these commenters I read in this two month period) agreed on one thing - they absolutely did not like the mainstream church or Brigham Young at all and would say some things that were nastier than what you might hear from a typical Southern Evangelical about "Mormons". I was sad that such a perceived driving force behind some of these frustrated folks was a grudge or some negative relationship toward another organization. There needed to be some kind of healing.; I must assume there still needs to be.
As far as the Restoration, for me it is pretty logically equational that if the true church is restored then it must fit precisely Daniel's description of the rock cut without hands that doesn't diminish or stagnate but continues to fill the whole Earth. John finishes that story, until the Groom shows up. Anyway, my two cents. Thank you, David. Love yeh, man.
Wow! You are very patient and open minded to other religions. What a great quality you have. Good work! Thanks for being born!
Thank you, I appreciate it. Will make sure I thank my parents haha.
For anyone interested in learning more I'm a baptized member of the LDS Strangites Church currently based in Chicago. I've met and lived with the high priests in Burlington WI and have a detailed review of how it is run.
I am interested in learning more, how should I proceed? I haven't been able to locate a phone number online to any strangite church.
The strangites hold an interesting place in LDS history, and even many LDS mainline members hold a special place in our hearts for our strangite brothers and sisters. They're very earnest in their belief, and I have to say I deeply respect that. Even if I don't agree with them, that alone is deeply admirable.
I didn't even know there was still a Strangite church. My great grandparents joined up with them because they did not support war and did not want to have their sons go to war. I thought that they were all the last existing ones. I didn't ever get to know my great grandparents because they died before I was born. My father loved his grandmother a lot, but his own parents, my grandparents, never joined the Strangite church. We are still all members of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS.
Cool! Thanks for visiting all the Latter-day Saint based churches (that I'm aware of).. it's great to know more about them. As always, I also really enjoy your videos. It's refreshing to hear positive, helpful, and thought-provoking opinions on the various faiths and their services :)
Appreciate it, Phil! The story of the Strangite historian being accepted at that conference despite radically different beliefs, and then for him to do the same for me is something the present-day world can use so much more of.
Your repeated experience with cardinals reminds me of when our longtime family dog passed away a few years ago. Soon afterward, we had a sudden obvious increase (that we hadn't experienced before or since) of ladybugs in and around our house. Maybe there was no connection between the two events, but we found it comforting. I believe that The Lord allows experiences like this to happen as a "tender mercy" or a kind of "heavenly hug" to gently let us know that we're on the right track and that He loves us. Thank you for your videos. God bless.
Id never get an opportunity to visit there. Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you are having good experiences. And WOW. Another cardinal- there’s definitely a reason.
Loving this journey.
Fun fact: The strangites have the trade mark for latter day without the hyphen so the corporate mainline lds had to add the hyphen to the business name
LDS here! Love seeing your journey, especially when you go to an LDS church! 😊 and learning off shoot, once i never heard of.
I appreciate you covering the LDS churches all springing forth from Joseph Smith. Thank you for your commentary, approach, and respect you share. Speaking the Truth In Love.
I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints as well and felt through your words, David, that these were good people. They seemed to be very welcoming and pleasant to talk to from what you have said.
Thanks for another great video! I love seeing your cool experiences. As for the cardinals, that's awesome! But I hope you don't only base your spiritual path on that. Instead of asking for a sign, I think the best thing is to really listen to your heart and to the Holy Ghost. I'm a Latter-day Saint, and I hope you allow yourself to have a James 1:5 experience and really ask God for direction (even though that might not be something you want to share on RUclips). Thanks also for your testimony of Christ and helping everyone come closer to Him! And yeah, Saints Unscripted is pretty cool. Dallas Jenkins from the Chosen was on it once, too. Have a great Easter!
As a mainstream LDS I really am really enjoying your videos.
Glad you like them!
You are doing a wonderful work. Keep it up, and blessings go with you
Appreciate it, thank you Cheryl.
I have been aware of Strangites by name but never knew much about the movement. Thanks for sharing and I'm really curious about your cardinal appearances. Oh, I bet Saints Unscripted would bring you on.
I've been hoping for this video for months! I'm hoping to visit this congregation someday, but sadly I live too far away for now. I'd like to meet Bill Shepard eventually
I've been researching the Strangites for years, I visited the old meeting house & I plan to visit the hill of Promise (the location of the temple & the Voree plates) & the white river. I want to go to the actual church so that I can read their records & books.
My dad had heard of the strangites,I had not before now! Interesting, thanks for sharing.
I like how you have a small Book of Mormon collection going😂
Im here for maybe my third watch. Back again because of John Hajiceck video with mbr and the Kirtland temple sale.
I've been LDS my entire life (40+ years-Utah) and I've never heard of this group. Made me wonder though... how many off-shoot religions there are that branched off from the original Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints started by Joseph Smith after his death.
Evidently, their members are wonderful as are all Christians. Actually, most of God's children strive to be good, regardless of belief. It is comforting to know that our Redeemer died for ALL. I became LDS in 1953 at age 25. I am a happy camper.
As a non-Mormon UU atheist I've heard a lot about the biggest LDS denomination from both current and former members but I didn't know much about the other branches besides skimming the Wikipedia pages about them (I've heard the Community of Christ is the most liberal one and that it's basically the UUs had they not abandoned Christianity, for that I've wanted to visit the closest church that is located at the town a couple of hours away from me).
I've read most of the Book of Mormon (alongside other sacred texts like the Qu'ran) and although it didn't make me a believer I found parts of it fascinating, I appreciate that you made content regarding the other branches that may be hard to find elsewhere.
Wonderful video!
WOW! In Wisconsin!
Uhm, your spiritual defence system has cut in.
I've never seen one of your videos when your passion for the Lord has grown that you can contain your emotions.
At the same time you always show the gift of discernment towards teachings that are far from the face of God.
I'd say that your armour is well suited to your search for truth.
Thanks for inviting me along.
Very interesting!! I am not LDS but it interesting that the church still exists.
Visit the Catholic seminary definitely!!
Everybody says they arent LDS until they receive a Witness by the Power of The Holy Ghost that its True, and suddenly your in the Twilight Zone...Baptized 2020, previously attended a Nazarene Church.
@@jcal6022 hahaha, yup.
@@jcal6022 what does biased thing to say,🙄🙄
@@dehende07 How can I be biased if my prior view was much like your own Bias? What I said was experiential not indoctrination.
By their fruits you shall know them.
James Strang is really fascinating. Does anyone know where to find his revelations and/or translations online?
Hmm, should you join the Catholic seminary or be a guest on Saints Unscripted? My vote is for Saints Unscripted!
He should definitely be on the dating market.
Literally never heard of this though I’ve been “mainstream” Church of Jesus Christ my whole life
Sir, I would love to see you attend the FLDS since I have a lot of rumors about this church and I heard it is a closed community.
Why do you mention the cardinals? Only reason I ask is because I visited a Mormon temple yesterday (just driving around it didn’t go inside) and also had a cardinal land on my backyard fence right when I left to go there. Once I got there I had very strong deja Vu. I don’t believe I agree with many of their teachings. But there is a strange pull to it.
The idea of the difference may seem slightly repellant, but if you feel a pull you should at least read and pray about it, or chat with the missionaries. They'd be happy to address any questions and concerns you may have.
How do you fund your projects to do all these videos?
"Latter-day Saints" meaning "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" follows the Book of Mormon, the Bible and all other authorized latter-day revealed scripture! The are several splinter groups who "claim" to do that, but also choose to ignore things they aren't comfortable with. The Kingdome of God on Earth and the Kingdom of Heaven welcome all who will choose to be obedient, as directed by the Holy Spirit, and forsake rebellion!!
This is the first time I hear that not all churches follow the 10 commandments.
Thank you for your video and description of the church. Quick question - Did you say the church is down to 4 members?
I've been binging this series for the last couple days and it's I'm laughing at the rapid learning LDS history and doctrine. At the start I'm sitting here wincing at names and stuff and now you're rattling off church history stuff like it's no big deal.
Good night
Stay in here
You could come to Brazil to meet the 3rd Mormon alleged prophet to be ordained by angels. The Brazilian prophet Mauricio Artur Berger. The angel Moroni brought him the "sealed plates" of the book of Mormon. He translated them into Portuguese and English. He now heads a Church of Christ in Palhoca Santa Catarina Brazil
Never heard of this. This deserves a Google. Thanks for sharing
When this man was a deciple of the Church that believed in Joseph Smith as a true Prophet did he believe at that point in the 12 Apostles that had been called such as Brigham Young? If so why didn't he follow those 12 Apostles. Or at least call 12 new Apostles was done in the primitive church during Christ's ministry?
Who rounded the strangites up after Strang died? was it local law enforcement?
"this is where it gets really sad", he just got shot in the back and it gets worse!
As for the cardinal. Its red.
Have you "read" the stick of Joseph? Mentioned in Ezk 37? The 2 "sticks".
Bible is the stick of Judah
BOM is the stick of Joseph
Wings, angels....
In Rev 14: 6
And I saw Another angel fly, having the everlasting gospel.....
If the fullness of the everlasting gospel was already on the earth....
Why then in the last days would an angel( moroni)
Need to be sent?
To be "preached ".
By whom? The saints.
Ans: because the fullness, wasn't here....yet
It lay in thr ground. Untraslated...till 1830.
Cardinal Directions
Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, __________ ?
@@rconger384 Latter-Day Saint
You need to colab with Jeff from HelloSaints
Thanks for watching. That would be a lot of fun, big fan of Pastor Jeff and I appreciate his motto, "Fight criticism with curiosity." I've seen one video where he mentioned he's been more of a solo act on his exploration, so not sure a collab would ever transpire (especially with his content EXPLODING in popularity). Even so, it would be a fun conversation to compare notes.
@@52churchesin52weeks He has done colabs and interviews with Steven Pynakker. Of course he always checks with Heavenly Father first. But of it is to His glory then he usually goes with it.
Big fan of both of you. Especially as a former Atheist now convert to The Way.
just following a guy - cultish? no offence meant here just curious. Loving this journey
Saints Unscripted! How many signs do you need??
I have heard the names all kind of Mormon churches! That’s why the LDS have a lots cover up. Do they don’t know about the histrionics!
The church has had one name only, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is not a church, on this earth, that has made itself more transparent. I'm 95 and have been a member since 1953. Thank goodness.
@@edwardgabriel5281Wrong!
Here are the historical names of the LDS Church.
1) April 6, 1830, the church was founded as the "Church of Christ".
2) 1834: the church was renamed to "The Church of the Latter Day Saints", probably because there were other churches from the restoration movement with an identical name. Note that Jesus Christ was not part of this name!
3) 1838: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it's final name, which was revealed to Joseph Smith.
@@charlesmendeley9823 When people stir this pot the contents taste better for me. The main commenter really enjoys stirring. I suggest you both taste to see what a wonderful recipe it is.
Where is this church? Who is this Bill? 🤔 I wonder why my ancestors went with Brigham Young? Had they not gone would they have had to practice polygamy & racism?
racism is as old as race. remember Miriam Moses sister got cursed with leprosy for rebuking Moses for marrying a black woman (Ethiopian) the issue being her skin and MOSES had to pray her out of the curse, The Patriarchs were all polygamists . All the characters in Religion had their issues but GOD...
Brigham Young was rather more racist than Joseph Smith. The end of the priesthood ban was mainly for tax reasons. And I have never read a weaker declaration ("revelation") which ended polygamy.
The whole story about Smith is so ridiculous IDK how anybody could believe it.
I prayed to know if such an incredible story was true. I wish everyone could receive the answer I did. I'm 95 and became a LDS in 1953. I know now more than ever.
@@edwardgabriel5281 you can't go by your feelings you need to go by facts that are presented in the bible. LDS is a different gospel. Jesus is not the spirit brother of the devil. He is God come in the flesh. Man cannot become gods.
Hey brother! I believe the story of Joseph Smith. I have read it, watched it, studied it, thought about it. I have received a testimony of it by faith through the Holy Ghost. I believe that he was who he claimed to be. I believe that he translated the Book of Mormon. Facts do not promote belief, faith does. Peace to you.
@@Sablespartan Where are the sacred golden plates then? I'd think these would be enshrined in Salt Lake City. Oh right, because no one saw them except Joseph Smith. And he was able to pack around many 100s of pounds of plates? No one could carry that weight. Why does the Book of Mormon contain obvious errors and the Smithsonian says it has false info about early America? Why's the B of M written like the King James version of the Bible? The doctrine of Mormonism directly contradicts what is in the Bible so they can't both be true.
Two prophets with gold plates. Something fishy is going on! I know it’s a scam!
Yeah, you should look into it. I think you'll find something very interesting. I have and it's been the best choice I've made
@@clearstonewindows Me too.
What scam encourages people to follow Christ? What scam promotes faith? What scam instills virtues in people that enable them to become better? You and I have very different interpretations of a scam.
@@Sablespartanthis is called a "pius fraud".
Maybe the cardinal is an incarnation of Fanny Alger, Joseph Smith's first affair and his second wife whom he married behind the back of Emma.
Good one. Maybe you could learn more than one item of the Mormon Church…. Like that none of Joseph Smith’s sealings where sexual marriages. They were a way to get the women into the celestial kingdom as a woman would have to be sealed to a worthy man. That also is why he sealed other unworthy men’s wives to himself. It has been proven now through DNA that there are not any unexpected children from Joseph Smith. He was not perfect just as many of the prophets in the Old Testament had trials, temptations and thing to learn it was the same with Joseph Smith. The only perfect one on earth was our Savior Jesus the Christ. I can send the missionaries over if you would like?
@@michellehudson8436 Thank you very much for your kind comment. Your assumption that I know only one item is however very untrue, you seem to lack spiritual discernment. Concerning your talk about Joseph proposing to wives of "unworthy husbands", I find that very offensive given that Smith sent these men on missions, see Wikipedia Zina D.H. Young, so I guess Henry Jacobs couldn't have been that unworthy, could he?
@@charlesmendeley9823 thank you I quite enjoyed learning about Zina. It is Wikipedia… but it says that her and Joseph Smith’s sealing was not “connubial”. It also says that her marriage to Jacobs as “not proving a happy union”. In fact after Joseph’s death she left Jacobs and married Brigham Young and moved in with Brigham’s many wives. I also read again about Fanny Alger which Joseph denied that he had committed adultery. Both Fanny and Joseph denied being married or having a physical relationship.
Lame comment,
Why do you care ?
Why not be an honest person