@@Pilotpegga True re. cantonal minimum wages. There is no national minimum wage in Switzerland. BTW, Bern Canton, where Azurea is located has _no_ minimum wage
5:46 Only one second to optically check a tiny part with a tolerance of plus-minus 3 microns (metric) AND automatically correct/update the production machines in real-time to fine tune the production run. Very impressive.
I’d be interested to see how that actually works , because the time from when they check the parts to the time when they update it, it could be off depending on how warmed up the machine is, I honestly can’t picture how that would work.. and don’t believe it. Especially on a tolerance that insanely tight on a machine that is turning not grinding, and what if the machine is currently running? Inserts are slightly more worn now then when the parts made, someone explain this to me I can’t wrap my head around it, unless. They have some insanely accurate tool setter with macros for tool break detect
@@Zonkobel that’s not what I’m talking about, depend on your warm up cycle, your machine can vary .0005, on my dmg mori, if I take a break and set it in it’s precise warmup cycle it will only change about .0001-.0001, so I’m just talking more about the machines variables, there’s just a lot to factor in is my point and it’s hard to wrap your head around it
@@braydons5623 Swissy/Fishy Kinda like dead skunk cologne mixed with essence of the eggs that were left in the trunk after shopping two weeks ago and busted 9 of the 12 hitting a pothole during a rainstorm. Now must wait In the rain for the towtruck
As someone getting a BS in mechanical engineering who has always been fascinated with clocks/watches and the associated micromachining this video was absolutely amazing.
@@MattOGormanSmith Really good call on that. Lots of various clockwork safeties built into munitions. Like needing a certain RPM and revs (that can only be achieved by firing from a barrel) to align the powder train for the fuze. And there's been a loooot of munitions flying around the last two years, sadly.
You are with a great company. I have worked with Azurea since 1999 and my company has for probably 40-50 years. Mr. Uhlmann is great and Sam is a good friend. Always enjoy visiting Moutier and Bévilard. Are you in Porto?
I follow a few watch channels, that field is just insane. A different world of machining, precision and HOW THE HECK DO THEY DO THAT?!?!? And now we know.
I know what you're trying to convey when you say "They're like Starbucks," but, cmon, there has to be a better analogy for conveying a clean and neat workspace than STARBUCKS when talking about watchmakers
Absolutely incredible. Precision and optimization in every aspect across the board at it's best. Titans made an excellent choice when they hired Donnie. So much knowledge, enthusiasm and energy. He is a great CNC ambassador.
We just got one of those optical machines for inspection cost us £55000, not cheap but great for getting an unskilled person checking parts. It's a Keyence's one
I'm very curious. I work in a high-level plastics machine shop in the eastern US and we're looking at tornos machines. We machine EVERY type of plastic. From generic delrin that many machine shops run, to the polymer equivalents of super-alloys that cost thousands of dollars a pound or more that end up in satellites and other extreme duty applications. Because these swiss machines use guide bushings as opposed to a standard chuck, is it an issue with plastics? I know harder plastics like polyester or G10 would be fine, but what about softer stuff like UHMW, HDPE, or even PFTE? if you saw anything like that there Donnie, I'd love to hear because we've used your shop's production as some inspiration for looking to purchase swiss lathes
Yea it should be fine as long as the outside diameter of the material is consistent. There is also NON guide bushing mode which makes the machine function like a traditional lathe. There is also adaptive guide bushings that can adjust automatically to the variable diameter of whatever material you are running. I can confidently say you won’t have a problem with these solutions BUT I would need all the details
So Donnie is going in the winter, to the Swiss Alps for his new holiday job 😂 If you don't watch out, you inhale some small part and your belly starts ticking like a Rolex 😉
This is fun watching this form Of micro machining! In the eighties I worked for a company that we made aircraft instruments. We made similar details like these . Pins, collars, knurled knobs, and bezel faces. Thanks for The memory! 👍🏼
Bet I have a few of those parts in my watch,... says Switzerland on it🤔..... and the box it came in says China 🤨... hmmmmm...... maybe they buy Swiss parts ?
A full mechanical watch can be produced (components, assambly) far below 100$ in switzerland. The swatch sistem51 starts at just 150$ for a full mechanical watch.
@@Francis-yc9nc Yet the sistem 51 is less than stellar. I got one the first year and it lasted about 18 months. Now the Swatch IRONY Automatic I got in Bern in 1999 for CHF 120 ran perfect for just over 23 years. It sadly died on me this past Spring 😞 The sistem 51 was also loud. I have a knock around Tissot on for now and will be getting a Zenith El Primero next year.
There is a difference between MADE in Switzerland and DESIGNED in Switzerland. They are very specific about the Made label with the content of components which must originate in CH. This has actually increased in the past years because they want to preserve the brands and their value. What make watch is it?
Has everyone faioed to mention that before CNC the same parts were made to the same accuracy in numbers not so smaller than now? For example, some factories were able to produce 3,000 complete basic watch movements per day, with most parts made in house. Now, that is really amazing.
It would’ve been nice to actually see the machines going through various processes rather than listening to you raving about the brand of machines like a salesman.
I want tiny metal non magnetic gears for my ho scale trains. I seriously think they could be a lot better. The gearboxes, voltage application everything from every company Scale trains etc.
As a total newbie about machining I have a question. How are these gears with ball bearings (4.55) machined. Are balls inserted using temperature differential??
This video is mostly a reaction video to being in the facility sprinkled with 10% b role footage. Didn't even get to see one tiny part being machined really.
Americans be like: you work for one company for that long, thats crazy. while Europe be like: yeah man, we actually have employers that care for us, not just as a worker but as a human being. Americans: ... I don't understand?
So these guys are running their machines in French, talking to the host in English, and talking around the office in Romansh. And they gave no problems calling up a German supplier. I kinda wish people in America were this open to the world.
I will never watch a video that's narrated by an American who thinks that we all have the emotional discipline of a 12 year old and who speaks in colloquialisms.
When you see how people work in these companies, you realise why they work there for more than a few years. You can't just fire such employees and then take them off the street when you need them again.
CNC is taking over. There are still some old Tornos cam machines running but it is fewer and fewer. The Swiss nanos take roughly the same space and are now fast enough to justify the swap. In addition the watch makers are in an "arms race" of sorts to continually make more complex movements requiring more complex parts made from more difficult materials. You still have an enormous amount of traditional screws but many other parts have gone beyond the capability of a cam to produce them. You aren't running 316 or Ti on the cams. This is especially true of the highest end watch makers who continually push the envelope. I've been on the floors a couple times a year there since 1999. Every year there are fewer cams. The most I see running now aren't even for watches but supporting connector production where copper alloys are king.
Hi guys! Can you tell me how the finished parts are unloaded (on sub spindle)? Is air used? How and where are the finished parts assembled? This is very interesting...
Watch Titan's tour of Laubscher Precision in the German speaking region of Switzerland from several years ago. Manfred Laubscher shows him the machines starting from the 19th century when the first automatic lathes we made. They also made their own micrometers to check the parts they were making.
Amazing ...... how to they even hold the parts? It seems like the rate cooling/lub fluid comes out would blast the parts off. Do they lose parts in the machines?
Uh oh, I think we lost Donnie guys.. he's not coming back from Switzerland lol
Dang
Switzerland. Highest wages, lowest unemployment. The minimum wage? It's 0 CHF. That's zero, nada, bupkis, zilch.
Swiss government will deport him anyway
@@peteroleary9447no it’s not it depends on the canton but it’s around 20-25
@@Pilotpegga True re. cantonal minimum wages. There is no national minimum wage in Switzerland.
BTW, Bern Canton, where Azurea is located has _no_ minimum wage
5:46 Only one second to optically check a tiny part with a tolerance of plus-minus 3 microns (metric) AND automatically correct/update the production machines in real-time to fine tune the production run. Very impressive.
Those Keyence im machines are awesome
@@joelawton123yup. With my company bought Keyence instead of Ayonis.... I cry every day using it
I’d be interested to see how that actually works , because the time from when they check the parts to the time when they update it, it could be off depending on how warmed up the machine is, I honestly can’t picture how that would work.. and don’t believe it. Especially on a tolerance that insanely tight on a machine that is turning not grinding, and what if the machine is currently running? Inserts are slightly more worn now then when the parts made, someone explain this to me I can’t wrap my head around it, unless. They have some insanely accurate tool setter with macros for tool break detect
@@adammiller4879 thats why you have a temperature controlled environement and machine. Thats just the basic rules in precision machining.
@@Zonkobel that’s not what I’m talking about, depend on your warm up cycle, your machine can vary .0005, on my dmg mori, if I take a break and set it in it’s precise warmup cycle it will only change about .0001-.0001, so I’m just talking more about the machines variables, there’s just a lot to factor in is my point and it’s hard to wrap your head around it
Swiss machines making Swiss watches using Swiss coolant in Switzerland.
That Blaser swisslube can be very annoying to balance, and when there isn't enough water in it or it goes bad, it stinks...
@@braydons5623
Swissy/Fishy
Kinda like dead skunk cologne mixed with essence of the eggs that were left in the trunk after shopping two weeks ago and busted 9 of the 12 hitting a pothole during a rainstorm. Now must wait In the rain for the towtruck
@@braydons5623 Petrochem is not the Swiss expertise.
If we don’t see Donnie anymore we know where to look 😂😂😂 Yet another awesome tour. These guys do everything big. Much love and gratitude 💥❤️
Thanks man! And nah I ain’t leaving Titans under any circumstances. He is genuinely the best boss on the planet!!!
@@donniehinske I bet! That would be like having Disney world access year round
@@donniehinskeplease do more video. You are a good personality
@@jmssun tell that to my ex girlfriend! 😂 all jokes aside thank you! I plan on doing many more
As someone getting a BS in mechanical engineering who has always been fascinated with clocks/watches and the associated micromachining this video was absolutely amazing.
I'm just amazed that in this day and age there is enough demand for mechanical watch parts to support a huge operation like this!
Have you seen the prices some watches go for? Also, I'd bet there's still a lot go into munitions.
@@MattOGormanSmith Really good call on that. Lots of various clockwork safeties built into munitions. Like needing a certain RPM and revs (that can only be achieved by firing from a barrel) to align the powder train for the fuze. And there's been a loooot of munitions flying around the last two years, sadly.
I just thinking I am just falling in love with this machine
Working at Azurea is absolutely amazing! Making parts with such tight tolerances became part of my daily life there. It is very cool!
You are with a great company. I have worked with Azurea since 1999 and my company has for probably 40-50 years. Mr. Uhlmann is great and Sam is a good friend. Always enjoy visiting Moutier and Bévilard. Are you in Porto?
I follow a few watch channels, that field is just insane. A different world of machining, precision and HOW THE HECK DO THEY DO THAT?!?!? And now we know.
Donnie makes a great host and because he is so knowledgeable about this subject makes his tour videos the best!
Great video for our local industries. Thank you Donnie.
I know what you're trying to convey when you say "They're like Starbucks," but, cmon, there has to be a better analogy for conveying a clean and neat workspace than STARBUCKS when talking about watchmakers
its amazing the work ethic the swiss have, fantastic people
Absolutely incredible. Precision and optimization in every aspect across the board at it's best. Titans made an excellent choice when they hired Donnie. So much knowledge, enthusiasm and energy. He is a great CNC ambassador.
Boom!!!
We just got one of those optical machines for inspection cost us £55000, not cheap but great for getting an unskilled person
checking parts.
It's a Keyence's one
I'm very curious. I work in a high-level plastics machine shop in the eastern US and we're looking at tornos machines. We machine EVERY type of plastic. From generic delrin that many machine shops run, to the polymer equivalents of super-alloys that cost thousands of dollars a pound or more that end up in satellites and other extreme duty applications.
Because these swiss machines use guide bushings as opposed to a standard chuck, is it an issue with plastics? I know harder plastics like polyester or G10 would be fine, but what about softer stuff like UHMW, HDPE, or even PFTE? if you saw anything like that there Donnie, I'd love to hear because we've used your shop's production as some inspiration for looking to purchase swiss lathes
Yea it should be fine as long as the outside diameter of the material is consistent. There is also NON guide bushing mode which makes the machine function like a traditional lathe. There is also adaptive guide bushings that can adjust automatically to the variable diameter of whatever material you are running.
I can confidently say you won’t have a problem with these solutions BUT I would need all the details
Chips management will be your biggest challenge with such materials in Swiss type.
Дони чем-то напоминает соседку через дорогу в деревне в Башкирии.))) Завязать платок, одеть фартук и дать вёдра будет 1 в 1)))
So Donnie is going in the winter, to the Swiss Alps for his new holiday job 😂
If you don't watch out, you inhale some small part and your belly starts ticking like a Rolex 😉
Oh man such a great video, Donnie is a great presenter, high energy, and damn the swess are so down to earth!
thats crazy stuff
Badass. Proud to be a quarter Swiss.
This is fun watching this form
Of micro machining! In the eighties I worked for a company that we made aircraft instruments. We made similar details like these . Pins, collars, knurled knobs, and bezel faces.
Thanks for
The memory! 👍🏼
What are the torque values on those watch screws and how are they measured?
I can just picture AVE with a tiny screwdriver 🪛 saying "click" 😂
As a CNC Mechanik in switzerland I love to see such advanced companies in switzerland. They optimize to their best. This is great to see
Great video! You see how everything works like a well oiled machine; you have the entire supply chain within a few miles of each other.
Letting another machinist walk thru your shop used to be a big no no. He has all your knowledge now.
It's a small world after all......
Always amazed at making those really small parts, almost impossible
as a steampunk...this was so cool to see thank you
amazing
Man , Machine, Manufacturing at its Peeak = Swiss !!
The amount of coolant being used on those tiny parts is like using multiple fire hoses to cool the bit on your benchtop drill press.
I work at the one they opened in Portugal
Would have loved to see the machine working with the coolant turned off.
Bet I have a few of those parts in my watch,... says Switzerland on it🤔..... and the box it came in says China 🤨... hmmmmm...... maybe they buy Swiss parts ?
Rip bozo, you got scammed
the Chinese can make everything, even some Swiss gears
A full mechanical watch can be produced (components, assambly) far below 100$ in switzerland. The swatch sistem51 starts at just 150$ for a full mechanical watch.
@@Francis-yc9nc Yet the sistem 51 is less than stellar. I got one the first year and it lasted about 18 months. Now the Swatch IRONY Automatic I got in Bern in 1999 for CHF 120 ran perfect for just over 23 years. It sadly died on me this past Spring 😞 The sistem 51 was also loud.
I have a knock around Tissot on for now and will be getting a Zenith El Primero next year.
There is a difference between MADE in Switzerland and DESIGNED in Switzerland. They are very specific about the Made label with the content of components which must originate in CH. This has actually increased in the past years because they want to preserve the brands and their value.
What make watch is it?
Donnie is too excited to slow down and simply his English so they can follow what he's saying.
Donnie: "Tornos, you rule!"
The Swiss: "What?"
wunderfoll ! echt beindruckend !
_Thank you very much!_
_Very interesting and informative!_
WOW
Now go to the Tornos factory
Already did bro
So.... it seems that Swiss watches are not 'hand crafted' but the hand just pushes a button.
Great video. Thank you for sharing 😊
3 microns tolerances.....m'y god
Ant-Man from the Marvel movies would be very happy with this tour 🤣🤣
Love what you do there man thank you for this awesome trip BOOM 💥
I live close, but it's already another language 😅
Has everyone faioed to mention that before CNC the same parts were made to the same accuracy in numbers not so smaller than now? For example, some factories were able to produce 3,000 complete basic watch movements per day, with most parts made in house. Now, that is really amazing.
Yes, the old-school way had a lot more manual labour and custom machines that did one job only.
Stick to the marked slopes & trails when skiing Donnie, Vry cool company amazing 2023 hi tech on the nano side huge eye opener
It would’ve been nice to actually see the machines going through various processes rather than listening to you raving about the brand of machines like a salesman.
Donnie from the future lookin leean beef
Thanks man! Been putting lots of work in!
I built a Gym around his Swiss Department… There is no escape. All seriousness though… He has lost about 25 pounds. Dudes Killing It
Man you got to speak a little slower, I had to check my video speed twice, felt like 2x.
Irritating to say the least. I had to stop viewing.
In that machine shop you don't talk in Imperial.
I want tiny metal non magnetic gears for my ho scale trains. I seriously think they could be a lot better. The gearboxes, voltage application everything from every company Scale trains etc.
As a total newbie about machining I have a question.
How are these gears with ball bearings (4.55) machined. Are balls inserted using temperature differential??
I would like to see more engineering
Damn, future donnie lookin good. Lost some weight and gained muscle 💪
Thanks brohammer!
J'espère que tu as mangé une bonne fondue là-bas !
Most Swiss watches are mass produced. Now you know why.
I saw this kind of machine once in my country. They had it shown in an exhibition. The demonstrator said it is used in making tooth crown nuts.
No one mention the Danish UR cobots.
Great content. Beautiful to watch
But how does it work?
WHAT A LIGHTWEIGHT DWEEB- could have been an interesting video
Donnie ... Technical 10/10
Communication 10/10😊
An American in Switzerland...
That was😍😍😍😍
Im living at 1 h from moutier , welcome to Swiss precision 🫶🏻🫶🏻🤙🏻 I love your content by the way
Thanks for posting, really interesting visit!
But why the machines' Andons are not green?
Egads.....just think of the cutting tools and how precise they have to be to make micro parts like that.
I was hoping for some close-ups of that.
Probably top secret? 🤔
This video is mostly a reaction video to being in the facility sprinkled with 10% b role footage. Didn't even get to see one tiny part being machined really.
Super fun to watch!
Thanks ma!
Americans be like: you work for one company for that long, thats crazy.
while Europe be like: yeah man, we actually have employers that care for us, not just as a worker but as a human being.
Americans: ... I don't understand?
So these guys are running their machines in French, talking to the host in English, and talking around the office in Romansh. And they gave no problems calling up a German supplier. I kinda wish people in America were this open to the world.
I will never watch a video that's narrated by an American who thinks that we all have the emotional discipline of a 12 year old and who speaks in colloquialisms.
I almost puked when I heard him say "Moutier"... also "it's like Starbucks"????
0:23 "Tornos" is Spanish for Lathes.
Donnie is the best
thank god most of these nonsense industry will be replaced by much cheaper and faster 3d metall printing
11:30 Dude with the largest hands on the planet owns and runs a factory that produces some of smallest high tolerance parts available.
When you see how people work in these companies, you realise why they work there for more than a few years. You can't just fire such employees and then take them off the street when you need them again.
Are all Swiss watch companies using CNC or are the more prestigious ones still hanging on to manual manufacturing?
CNC is taking over. There are still some old Tornos cam machines running but it is fewer and fewer. The Swiss nanos take roughly the same space and are now fast enough to justify the swap. In addition the watch makers are in an "arms race" of sorts to continually make more complex movements requiring more complex parts made from more difficult materials. You still have an enormous amount of traditional screws but many other parts have gone beyond the capability of a cam to produce them. You aren't running 316 or Ti on the cams. This is especially true of the highest end watch makers who continually push the envelope.
I've been on the floors a couple times a year there since 1999. Every year there are fewer cams. The most I see running now aren't even for watches but supporting connector production where copper alloys are king.
....duuude.... wood floors!?! ? ?DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN SON!!
Wait, it‘s the french speaking part of Switzerland? Get out there as fast as you can.
CEO offering job. Great fast talking works for fast machinning
next time do the obvious of showing us the actual machines making the parts or otherwise show us how its done
Hi guys! Can you tell me how the finished parts are unloaded (on sub spindle)? Is air used? How and where are the finished parts assembled? This is very interesting...
For small part usually a vaccum system is used
He is absolutely correct! We are using one on our SwissNano! Stay tuned for that video it’s going to be sweet!
@@donniehinske Ok, looking forward to a demonstration in your new videos. Thank you!
Shame they/he didn’t asked how did watches made over the last 100++ years ago!!
next video: +-3 ATOM tolerance on Tornos megaswiss machine!
Wait what was the machine we are shilling again I forgot?
yeah but it's cnc
japanese people would make them by hand
How were these parts made back in 1917?! 🤯
Good question, were they made?
I would say on lathe like the Swiss Schaublin 70.
Watch Titan's tour of Laubscher Precision in the German speaking region of Switzerland from several years ago. Manfred Laubscher shows him the machines starting from the 19th century when the first automatic lathes we made. They also made their own micrometers to check the parts they were making.
@@kennethfharkin Wow - that was amazing!
They get it right and the world goes digital.
Love it!
in Switzerland it's just a machine.🤷
4:52 you know whats also insane?
Ball bearing and ball bearing. No i dont mean the same with that.
The precision is 3 mikron milimeter and not inch.
Amazing ...... how to they even hold the parts? It seems like the rate cooling/lub fluid comes out would blast the parts off.
Do they lose parts in the machines?
incrivel !!!!
The hand to lens transition needs to die. Dated.