How to Make Your Own Lion's Mane Mushroom Blocks at Home
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2021
- Making ready-to-fruit mushroom blocks can be intimidating, but fortunately you can start off at home using low-tech methods and still be successful. In this video we'll go over how to make your own ready-to-fruit Lion's Mane blocks for your own stash of mushrooms.
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That’s great to show an easy way to do it just to get started. I think the hardest thing for people to do is get started and not be hesitant because things aren’t perfect.
Absolutely- like any living thing there is so much variation, but (at least for us) it's helpful to understand the process!
Another thing to keep in mind is to add a half tbsp of gypsum to each bag for more vigorous colonization and also cold flash each bag between flushes at 38 degrees for at least 8 hours to induce fruiting quicker. Great video!
Oh gypsum? Do you have sources that explain how that helps the mushroom?
Well a simple Google search will help you with that but since I'm here...The primary role of gypsum is to act as a mineral supplement, as it's presence promotes mycelial growth by providing substrates with calcium and sulfur, both essential elements for good fruit body formation.
Source: Google
@@tacitozetticci9308 I promise, it works. Half tablespoon per bag is spot on.
@@nategoodwin3329 interesting thanks
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From start to finish. Showed everything in short clips! Best tutorial yet!
This is exactly what I was looking for thank you! I can make grow blocks without first buying a pressure cooker!!
Yes! This is a great way to start out your block-making journey!
Thanks for teaching! I have enjoyed your lions mane block. Now I know how it’s made!
Great info, Thanks!
Solid video...god bless the multiverse!
Loved the video. Any chance you can say it what's the average yield for your lion's mane when it's substrate is unsterilized?
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I reccomend wareing work glove or skmeyhu g you allways get little burn when mixing and can mix more thoroughly... I'm currently trying to steam them to hold high temp for longer.. throwing multiple bags in a bucket covered work a bit too ..
I’m an off grid mushroom farm in Queensland Australia. I’m trying to grow lions mane in buckets. I’ve had success so far but not every batch.I like your method. I aim to not sterilise substrate as a rule. Thanks for the tips
How come you don't sterilize your substrate as a rule?
@@AmyB3229 only because I choose not too. No fancy reason.
@@Matty_76 lol! Okay! Good to know. Thank you.
@@AmyB3229 most cultivation can be done low tek but yields and contamination are affected
@@Matty_76 What does "contamination" exactly mean in the context used in here?
Great video. Small tip: a reusable zip tie will help you with several parts of this process
Yes! Or a rubberband. :)
Thanks for sharing
this is great advice as opposed to buying those $30 kits
So is it really bad not to sterilize the substrate before growing? What would be the repercussions at worst case scenario? I'll also be ordering your lion's mane kit
Good video. I just got a bag with some millet. I was worried when I could see no white mycelium growth.
Thanks for the awesnme vid I live in Sotth Aarrica can you tell me nhat hard wooss are in the pelleds
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What happens if you dont cut the bag after two weeks or so? Can you hold off for longer if you wanted?
Hey so once you make those blocks, how long would you say that block lasts for you personally adding lions mane into your diet. For you personally.
Great video! Can the blocks be reused or are they done after a single harvest?
Each block will have multiple (2-3) flushes before they are considered "spent". Once they are considered spent they can be mulched outside in the spring of the year for another possible flush.
Can you make a video on how to pasteurized substrate in bulk? Maybe a barrel steamer or horse trough steamer
We personally do not use that equipment for our block-making process, so no promises. But if we can find someone locally who will let us shoot a video we certainly will.
So, do I need to exhaust the air from 1 or 2 blocks to the outside? Can I grow it outside? Thank you. So excited!
It's not necessary to exhaust air on this smaller scale. You can grow them outside if you are in a warm climate (anywhere above 70 degrees and fairly humid)!
This process also work in saw dust .?. here this type of saw dust pallet not available ....
Great tutorial . can I add spawn from the syringe using such receipe ?
Late answer, yes it is possible. My experience with that is it grows slow on the substrate, since there are only several points where the mycelium starts growing - where the liquid culture of your syringe went. If you see a batch that is about 3 inches / 8 centimeters in diameter you can shake the back to redistribute the growth around the whole bag. When you wanna do only one bag to test and don‘t want to make grain spawn, this is the fastest way. But if you want a lot of bags and get a lot of harvests I would suggest using the LC on grain spawn, let it grow through for 2-3 weeks and then do them same as in the video. Please note that if you use rye grain it has to be sterilized if used in a bag for 1 1/2 in a pressure cooker @ 15 PSI, since there are endospores that would else survive the process and contaminate your spawn. What also works pretty good in my experience is brown rice, which was hydrated with a light malt extract / dextrose / honey / soy peptone mixture to cook it in. It is not really necessary, just additional if you want better yield.
How, when and with what did you vacume seal your bag? Thanks for the video.
Can you please clarify? We do not vacuum seal at any point- what part of the process are you referring to?
Can I use the mycelium from the bag to make more by putting some in the fridge after it fruits? Or do I have to buy more in order to get new fruits after the 2nd or possible 3rd yeild
You can try to make more spawn, but typically we would recommend not using supplemented substrate for spawn and the mycelium will be less vigorous and more contaminant prone the more it's expanded without using sterilized substrate.
Please could you clarify, you said to seal the bag with pegs once mixed, in the video you have left a large space in the bag but then after the 20 days you show a bag which is closely sealed so is it that the filter just allows the bag to deflate and then you wrap the bag tightly? Thank you
Sure! The initial space is left so that the culture can breathe through the filter patch for the first 20 days. After that the bag is folded under and cuts are made in the bag it forces the mushrooms to come out through those small openings as opposed to growing up into a large space.
How do you seal the rest of the millet spawn if you only plan to use 1 block at first? And what temperature/conditions should I store it at?
Tightly loop a rubber band above the filter patch to allow for gas exchange while still preventing the spawn from drying out. The spawn can sit out at room temperature for several days to "rebound" after breaking it up, but it should go into the refrigerator within a week.
Hi. Thank you for your video. Instead of wood pellets and food bran can I use coco coir and vermiculite? As other mushroom growing process?
You could certainly try, but I can't say for sure how it would turn out. You would likely get some fruiting, but Lion's Mane prefers woodier substrates with more nutrition.
@@FieldandForestProducts Thank you. 👍🏻
It will not produce much if any at all. Lions mane thrives on the nutrients that hardwood provides. I have tried the cvg process with lions mane with no success.
can it grow the dryed harvested Lion's Mane Mushroom?
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I’m late to this, but would pasteurized straw be an appropriate substitute for hardwood pellets?
I would be if you're trying to grow oyster mushrooms, but Lion's Mane doesn't grow particularly well on straw.
Hey there! Which product on your website, shows me to make the mushroom brick to grow 8 bricks? (If I understood to video correctly) Ty!
Here you go! www.fieldforest.net/product/lions-mane-hardwood-fuel-pellet-block-kit/hardwood-pellet-grow-kits
How would you propagate it for ongoing use? Just take a clump out of the bag and add new sterilized medium?
You can- but keep in mind that at that point the mycelium isn't as strong and the new medium will likely suffer from higher contamination rates.
Great video! I have some blocks of mycelium I spawned from live culture syringes in uncle ben's bags, do you have any advice for how much of that mycelium I should use per grow bag?
I would aim for the same amount of spawn. I am unfamiliar with "uncle ben's" bag, but if it's a grain substrate the same amount should do the trick!
How much did you end up using? I have 6 ub bags ready to go!
@@FieldandForestProducts Uncle ben is a bag of microwave rice
@@ShamanBuddha it's not Uncle Ben now. Because that's racist.
@@brich2929 how is that racist?
So because the substrate was not sterile you can’t eat the lions mane or can you eat it???
For the few weeks after you added everything and the bag what conditions did you keep it in?
Temperatures around 70 degrees, lighting requirements are flexible. At the incubation stage lighting isn't critical.
Does it matter the species of hardwoods? My grill pellets say hickory, cherry and maple.
It should still be fine! Lion's Mane is fairly amenable to all hardwood sawdusts.
If its fruiting inside the bag but not fully colonized should i open it and put it in fruit tent?
Yes! Lion's Mane blocks will very rarely be fully white, so even if they look brow yet they're ready to go.
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Good suggestion- will do!
Do you recommend using the entire bag of Millet Spawn at once? Does it keep for separate batches?
It's best to do it all at once as once the spawn is open it is at risk for contaminants, drying out, etc. You certainly can do it, but make sure to tightly roll the top of the bag down (still leaving the filter patch exposed).
@Blueskies Yes, 1 1/2 cup of millet per block.
Starting at 5:08 is that green mold contaminant in the bag below the label? Do you worry about that?
It is green sharpie! When creating these blocks we initially labeled them by hand with a green sharpie. Green mold that you see in blocks tends to be a duller, darker green.
So supplementing 10% is ok with pasteurization? I figure you would need to sterilize, since lions mane is not quite as fast as an oyster
This method has a high enough inoculation rate that you don't have to sterilize. That being said if you do have a way to sterilize you can get away with using a lower inoculation rate and therefore get more blocks out of a bag of spawn!
Do you need to mist it and control humidity during the incubation stage?
No need to mist the blocks during incubation- the moisture from hydrating the pellets is more than enough for the initial stage.
@@FieldandForestProducts I was spraying it for the last 2 days but I will stop misting it now. Thank you for letting me know. Much appreciated
Do yall sell liquid culture and grain spawn on your site ?
Grain spawn yes, liquid culture no. We do sell sterilized grain (link: www.fieldforest.net/category/sterilized-grain-substrate) which you can use for liquid culture.
would they grow on pine shavings or pellets
I would shy away from pine. We've heard of this working on other pellets (ie hickory) but we've never tried it ourselves so I can't say for sure if that actually works. I would stick with Hardwood pellets!
Has anyone's tried grow lionsmane with pine(softwood) fuel pellets?
Can I use oat bran in place of wheat bran?
You would need to look at the protein content of oat bran and either decrease or increase based on the protein in wheat bran. So in short, yes but you'll need to fiddle with the mix a bit.
How you know if the mushroom has been contaminated? And is it dangerous to consume when contaminated?
For more informations on guidelines for production of lion's mane.
The mushroom will have discoloration if it is contaminated, at which point I would not consume it. It will be fairly obvious if something is amiss!
What size bag do you use for the blocks ? Couldn't you use diffuser to bring humidity ?
The filter patch bag dimensions are 8in x 5in x 19in. And yes, you could use a diffuser, but you'll want to skip adding the essential oils and have it just run water.
How many batches can you get from one block?
At least two. You can keep it around for several more flushes, but the crop will get smaller and smaller as the block ages.
What to do if you cannot get the Hardwood fuel pellets, where I live you cannot get the Hardwood fuel pellets because I live in a sub-tropical climate. And ordering it from somewhere else it will cost me around $80 for a 20kg bag plus postage. Is it possible to use hardwood wood chips or mulch? Please let me know because I tried many times to grow the lions main but fail every time. I live in Queensland Australia.
So what do you intend doing?..
I live in Auckland, New Zeeland.
And I get my products delivered to me. You can check on charlesmyco_ for assistance on anything you feel is a problem.
He's on instagram.
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@@janepate Growing Lions Mane.
Can this all be done in a bowel and then poured into the bag?
In theory, yes, but mixing in an open container will lead to a high contamination rate, so it's not recommended.
Where can you get the hardwood pellet and does it matter what kind of hardwood?
You can get fuel pellets at most hardware stores. Most places sell a mixed hardwood fuel pellet which is what we use.
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Can you use UV light to sterilize the pellets? Or would that also kill vital necessary fungi/bacteria/microbes?
Good thought! But unfortunately not. UV light will only sterilize the surface area of the substrate and it needs to be sterilized all the way through.
@@FieldandForestProducts What would be the proper sterility method?
@@brich2929 A steam sterilization is the best way to go about it
What size is the bag? Is great video, but I'm surprised you're not speaking more on the sterile procedures necessary for a contaminated free grow.
The dimensions of the bag are 8in x 5in x19in. For commercial production and inoculation rates yes, absolutely you would need to sterilize substrate. However, for this method such a high inoculation rate is used that the Lion's Mane will outcompete just about every contaminate.
@@FieldandForestProducts What's a typical sterilization procedure?
Pressure cooking at 15 psi for 2.5 hrs after adding in the ingredients listed in the video. Like F&FP said though the boiling water aka flash pasteurizing kills most "bad" bacteria allowing the lions mane mycelium to get a headstart on inoculation before Trichoderma or other contaminants can set in
What pellets are the safest ?
We use a hardwood fuel pellet from a local company- but just about any hardwood fuel pellet is good!
Can I just cut up some hardwood logs and use the shavings from them instead of buying those pellets? I have plenty of oak trees and other hardwood trees on my property.
You can certainly try, but you will need to fiddle with the hydration rate as shaving will perform differently than pellets. You will also need to supplement with bran (which you should be able to find at a grocery store).
@@FieldandForestProducts You mean like a box of Bran Flakes the cereal?
@@ranjanty Not the cereal, but the bran that you would find in the baking aisle or natural food aisle to use as an additive for bran muffins.
@@FieldandForestProducts Thanks for clarifying.
Is there a way to make a block with something other than plastic?
You need something that locks in moisture, but will still allow for breathability, and will also allow you to puncture holes to release the fruiting bodies. The best way to grow them without using any plastic is to grow them on logs.
Can you do this with like shiitake mushrooms too
Shiitake are a little more tricky and take much much longer to incubate (12-14 weeks). For this method I would stick to Lion's Mane and Oysters.
@@FieldandForestProducts ok thank you for the information
Can i ask though, as i'm new to all of this, can you not just simply get a piece of broken and dead wood and take it from there as that's how the Lion's Mane grows in nature isn't it? Would not that really be the simplest and basic way of doing it? In any event, i did order a starter kit online anyway :)
Could you clarify? Do you mean take the spawn and put it into a piece of dead wood in the wild?
@@FieldandForestProducts Yes, that would be my question.
Yes brich you definitely can but your success rate just for the beginning stages of inoculation go down tremendously due to many factors that are controlled in the process per the video.
How much temperature to growing lion's mane mushroom
Hi, thanks for your question!
Lion's Mane prefers temps between 55-70F, and 70-85% humidity.
Hate the thought of boiling water in a plastic bag. Who know what chemicals get leached. Any other suggestions?
You need something that will hold moisture but will still be able to be punctured to allow the mushrooms to grow. You could try fashioning something out of an aluminum coffee can or something, but then you run into a breathability problem. To avoid what you're talking about really growing outdoors on logs is the best option.
How do they grow in the forest with none of that sterilization stuff going on
Growing on natural logs is a totally different ballgame. The inside of a log has not been exposed to possible outside contaminants, so whatever fungus gets into the log first generally becomes the primary decomposer.
Stupid question, but would cat litter work instead of wood pellets?🙈👀
Haha, well, we can't say we've ever tried it, so you never know! I would think not though- generally Lion's Mane needs to have a wood-based substrate.
@@FieldandForestProducts I think the cat litter I saw exists of pressed saw dust, but would have to check that
I saw in the cat’s shelters that now they are using wood pellets as cat litter, I think this is new. I tried with my cat but he didn’t like it. I was thinking the same question about using it … also I think that wood pellets for cats are made out of pine 🌲….
Is there any other nutrient than coffee grounds that would work that's gluten free?
You could use a 50/50 hardwood pellet mix/soy hull pellet mix as well!
@@FieldandForestProducts That's what's up. I'm going to make an order with you guys tomorrow.
I was getting from NorthSpore but I think their grain has fruitflies in it. I saw this old dude who had a shittake farm from your spawn. So Ima get my next batch of stuff from you folks.
I think you're closer to me too, less carbon footprint.
I got the log inoculation tool from amazon via Northspore because I had a giftcard. But ima get my precolonized substrate from you guys. Tomorrow. After I hit up the bank. I've been eyeballing what I wanna get.
You see, I'm in Bradford PA ... and I wanna do something good and positive and useful and productive for my community and mt family.
Got any tips for sourcing local white oak for shittake btw? Ima get lion's mane grain spawn and shittake sawdust spawn. Might get another random one too.
Does it matter about wine cap sub species? Like if I got some winecaps from Northspore, would they compete or combine with your guy's' winecap spawn? Because ik different strains of oysters don't like eachother... or are all the winecaps that are commercial like close enough genetically to where it doesn't matter?
@@HerbQuest Sourcing logs is always the tricky part. I would recommend reaching out to local arborists as they often are taking down healthy trees for one reason or the other and looking to get rid of the excess limb wood.
As for Wine Cap to my knowledge there is no interference between varieties just because they are so similar. Wine Cap are always going to grow best on fresh material though so I would always recommend starting with a fresh bed for best results!
Any reason you can't mix in a big bowl?
You could, but the more surfaces and air flow the mix is exposed to, the higher the probability of contamination.
This looks great, but frankly I don't want containers of mushrooms in my house and am wondering if I could put these blocks outside in a sawdust or wood chip mulch bed and get the same, or better/longer result. Am I nutz?
You can do that method, but I would recommend doing it with something like oyster mushrooms as they seem more adapted to growing outdoors on loose substrates.
I went to websight wheres the millet spawn for the lions mane and the grain and bags,,i got my own pellets
Can you use pine pellets?
Nope, needs to be hardwood pellets. :) I'm considering trying some hardwood sawdust from our local sawmill, though.
We're big feline fans here, too.
@NonToxicHome huge numbers of fungi are growing from the cat litter I tried to compost
Are you using a .2 micron bag or a .5?
.5 micron
@@FieldandForestProducts Thanks for the quick response!
@@FieldandForestProducts One more question - is there a reason why you should use the .5 micron over a .2?
@@Sebster7272 Great question. We use a .5 micron because we've found it leads to more adequate gas exchange.
Can the lions mane spawn be stored after opening? I would want to space the blocks out by a couple of weeks so I would be using the spawn over about 3 months.
Yes, but it should be used within two weeks once opening. So you can certainly space it out, but maybe not to the tune of 3 months.
@@FieldandForestProducts This is not good! Why shouldn't the spawn be sold in multiple smaller sealed packets (enough each for one block)? This way the customer can stretch out the product at their own rate/schedule. That's the way to do it.
@@wilpye4161 Smaller units would drive up the cost of the product, as well as the carbon footprint, considerably, making it less economical for the customer. Blocks can be made and then refrigerated for several weeks to adhere to the grower's schedule.
@@FieldandForestProducts what kind of storage temperature should be used for blocks?
To keep them dormant? My root cellar stays below 45 this time of the year.
@@FieldandForestProducts Side-stepping the carbon footprint issue, i think you might try offering the 1 + 1/2 cup bags of millet spawn in 8 sealed portions AS AN OPTION for those who might be willing to pay the expected hike. Advertise it, --- & if you get enough orders for this option to fly, your company might expand your sales. Refrigerating 7 inoculated blocks for a few weeks is a hassle of time compression. Your great selling point is the ability to succeed without sterilizing the wood. Love it! But burdening the further steps with a (hurry it all up) limitation (for small households) is correctable. BTW, 2023 is going to be a great year for you -- as word gets out about how easy and beneficial this is.
Where are you located, I'm about to order from your site, I'm in Canada.
What will the dutie fees be if you're also not in Cuckistan and are in America??? 🤔
What is 8 filter parch bag? You mean the bag has 8 filters?
There are 8 bags, each which have one filter patch.
No pressure cooker???
Hi Adam,
Yes, that's right! No pressure cooker needed. We wanted to develop a low-tech method for DIY-ers and home growers where they don't need special equipment. Also, we kept the inoculation rate high in these kits to outcompete any potential contamination due to the no sterilization process.
Thanks for watching!
Hi: Great video, but somehow pouring boil water into a plastic bag doesn't sound healthy from a chemical leaching issue. Just a thought.
These bags are specifically designed to withstand high temperatures and not leech into the mycelium ;)
Thinking the mushroom is fruiting inside the the bag because it wasn't air tight😯
Should i harvest rehydrate and bag air tight and make a slit?
Sorry, first timer
You can just tighten the bag to get ride of some of the airspace. The mushrooms will find their way out of the cuts eventually!
@@FieldandForestProducts thank you! Ive always wondered too how long do they have from fruit to decomposition? Haha when do i pull the plug if it doesn't seem like things are working. I have a "martha tent" haha but humidity is hard to dial in to perfection
why do you make x's in only a few places? It seems like the more x's the more mushrooms would grow
True, but the mushrooms will also be smaller. If you cut one large X you'll get one big mushroom, but if you were to cut many small x's you would get many small mushrooms.
How much is one cup in grams?
Approximately 120 grams
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I bought a 4 pound grain bag of oyster pohu. Very weak mycelium and the fruiting bodies were small and caps small. The growing conditions controlled. Not happy.
What mix were you using?
HWFP@@FieldandForestProducts
@@montygore1200 Ah ok. Oysters need more supplementation than a strict HWFP mix. A 50/50 HWFP and Soy Hulls is the standard for oyster production.
no problems in the past@@FieldandForestProducts
You should watch your own videos. Whats up with this?
Excuse me but I miss what you are saying exactly at 4:50- 4.52 , where you recommend something for the humidity? ( Try to speak for non native english speakers ), thanks!
"to do this you can have something as simple as a plant mister to mist the block"
@@FieldandForestProducts A plant mister sounds really elegant , like you mean a Mr for the plant?
@@adiuiri16 he means something to spray water into very small fine drops
You said "food grade bran" What would be considered Non food grade bran??
Great question indeed. Sometimes you can get bran from feed stores that may have filings. But of course anything from a grocery store will be safe to use.
Great! Pouring boiling water into a pladtic bag for it to suffuse the stuff with toxins 🤪
HOW COME YOU ARENT using clean techniques- nothing in front of a flow hood or using alcohol etc
In this case we are using a high enough inoculation rate that the fungi should be able to outcompete just about any airborne particle contamination. This method was developed for folks who maybe want to give mushroom growing a try, but don't want to make an investment in a flow hood or other cultivation equipment.
? Instead of boiling water... diluted 1 to 6 hydrogen peroxide? Instead of bran...powdered milk... that's how I do REISHI...
Joe, if the hydrogen peroxide is for the killing of mold spores, wouldn't it kill the mycelium?
@@timmartin5196 no... never ... after yrs of using a 1 to 6 dilution... mycelium digests dead matter using h2o2...
40 cups of water...
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I have tried to contact you twice and no responce. The clock is ticking!
Hi Bob- it's best to reach us via phone at 800-792-6220 and leave a voicemail if we can't get to the phone or email us at info@fieldforest.net
No pc needed
Can you use saw dust spawn this way?
Yes you can! Though it can be tricky to get a even inoculation with sawdust.
@@FieldandForestProducts ok! Thanks for the info! I have about 2 pounds of saw dust spawn left from inoculation of logs totem style and didn't want to waste it.
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This is exactly what I was looking for thank you! I can make grow blocks without first buying a pressure cooker!!
Oh nice that was my question
Thanks for sharing