100% agree, new construction painting can be extremely tough to be successful in, but not impossible. The three most important things you have to watch and be mindful of are (A) Sequence: It's not at all unusual for GC's to try to bring painters in way too early before the job is ready. They say,....."There are things you can do, we've got windows sills in, door frames in, closets are sanded, you can start priming them". Jumping around out of standard sequence is a major profit killer and I recommend having a conversation about what you expect (Ceilings, walls trim - or whatever you had planned on) before you dip a single roller. (B) Excessive point up: Quite often the drywall guys end up doing so much point up after your prime coat that you basically end up repriming the entire job. Then, after your first coat of eggshell, or whatever wall paint you're using, they do it again. Once again, early communication and a relationship with the GC and the drywall guy (if possible) can save labor and material. You want the wall point up 99.9% done before you start putting eggshell on walls. (C) Damages to your finished work: If I spill paint on new carpet, is the carpet guy going to replace it for free? Of course not. Yes, you should always figure in some time for final punch and touch up but it has *GOT to be reasonable. Small scuffs, a smudge mark here or there, maybe a tiny ding in a wall ....those things are unavoidable and should be expected. However if your work has been damaged in a careless and uneccesary way, you MUST push for a change order. They can back charge the responsible party. Start small. 4 or 5 office build out and work up from there. Track your hours, material consumption and just learn a little from each job as you grow.
Commercial estimating in Texas is like this. Price per sqft. The price per sqft. should cover all labor, material, overhead, insurance, etc. Commercial projects are nowhere near residential, nor do hey price out like a residential. I estimate millions of dollars worth of commercial painting. I deal in the Major Leagues.
@@Alyssacaronefamily Not one we distribute outside our program. The bid is not nearly as important as the persuasive sales process that you use to deliver the bid and differentiate your company from competitors - especially if you are not the lowest price. For your bid, it should have... contact information, detailed scope of work (what you are doing to what surfaces, with what application method and what product), exclusions, additional notes, and the boiler plate legal information you need to protect your company. ALWAYS get a signature BEFORE you start a job! Merry Christmas!
@@theacademyforprofessionalp287 ...I don't disagree with you at all but there are plenty of smaller GC's out there that are ok to work with. I recommend picking local GC's in your area, ask if you can price up one of their smaller jobs and give it a shot. My number one rule is "Never take any job so big that you can't afford to *not get paid for it". Sounds extreme but it's something to think about.
100% agree, new construction painting can be extremely tough to be successful in, but not impossible. The three most important things you have to watch and be mindful of are (A) Sequence: It's not at all unusual for GC's to try to bring painters in way too early before the job is ready. They say,....."There are things you can do, we've got windows sills in, door frames in, closets are sanded, you can start priming them". Jumping around out of standard sequence is a major profit killer and I recommend having a conversation about what you expect (Ceilings, walls trim - or whatever you had planned on) before you dip a single roller. (B) Excessive point up: Quite often the drywall guys end up doing so much point up after your prime coat that you basically end up repriming the entire job. Then, after your first coat of eggshell, or whatever wall paint you're using, they do it again. Once again, early communication and a relationship with the GC and the drywall guy (if possible) can save labor and material. You want the wall point up 99.9% done before you start putting eggshell on walls. (C) Damages to your finished work: If I spill paint on new carpet, is the carpet guy going to replace it for free? Of course not. Yes, you should always figure in some time for final punch and touch up but it has *GOT to be reasonable. Small scuffs, a smudge mark here or there, maybe a tiny ding in a wall ....those things are unavoidable and should be expected. However if your work has been damaged in a careless and uneccesary way, you MUST push for a change order. They can back charge the responsible party.
Start small. 4 or 5 office build out and work up from there. Track your hours, material consumption and just learn a little from each job as you grow.
Commercial estimating in Texas is like this. Price per sqft. The price per sqft. should cover all labor, material, overhead, insurance, etc. Commercial projects are nowhere near residential, nor do hey price out like a residential. I estimate millions of dollars worth of commercial painting. I deal in the Major Leagues.
Do you do new construction? I’d pay a couple dollars to be able to take a look at the numbers of how you guys write up commercial painting bids.
Great information.
Thank you
Why stay away from new construction?
High risk, low margins, high admin time, high risk of bankruptcy, slow pay and no equity.
@@theacademyforprofessionalp287 do you have a bid example? We are trying to find an example online
@@Alyssacaronefamily Not one we distribute outside our program. The bid is not nearly as important as the persuasive sales process that you use to deliver the bid and differentiate your company from competitors - especially if you are not the lowest price. For your bid, it should have... contact information, detailed scope of work (what you are doing to what surfaces, with what application method and what product), exclusions, additional notes, and the boiler plate legal information you need to protect your company. ALWAYS get a signature BEFORE you start a job! Merry Christmas!
Our company owners are millionaires by doing commercial work. 40% profit at best with 15% on the low end. $10 million gross a year.
@@theacademyforprofessionalp287 ...I don't disagree with you at all but there are plenty of smaller GC's out there that are ok to work with. I recommend picking local GC's in your area, ask if you can price up one of their smaller jobs and give it a shot. My number one rule is "Never take any job so big that you can't afford to *not get paid for it". Sounds extreme but it's something to think about.