The Hammer Everyone Overlooked in Super Mario RPG
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Super Mario RPG is a game that I thought I had figured out as a kid. I didn't think there was much left to discover, but I was certainly wrong. Because there was one weapon in the game that majority of players overlooked because it was hidden amongst a ton of other early game items. It was obscured in the perfect way and today we're going to be revealing its location and its secret power.
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Wait, you're telling me that some people actually _sell_ their equipment in RPGs instead of compulsively hoarding at least one copy of every item just in case it's useful later?
most of them do yeah
i mean i am one of them
i'm more like the completition one them the carefull, since most of itens had no efect whatsoever, but i do follow your thouth, though when a item really is useful later, usually it's kinda locked to sell. like Serge (chrono cross) first weapon, which eventually become the mastermune
This, All of this. LOL! If i can't afford an item now, i will try and come back for it later. "Just because" or i will grind outside of town until i can afford them all, lol.
Admittedly, i never looked at the description of the lucky hammer. So I DID just assume it was the original hammer xD
It’s been a while but I recall Mario RPG having an equipment inventory cap.
@@kenitic777 It does, and it's impossible to save all of your old weapons because of it. Even doing it for just one character will eventually become impossible. You can do it for awhile, but you're eventually going to need room for healing items.
The hammer that was all about making you lucky, ironically enough, _got unlucky and was overlooked by everyone_
Rewarding those who take a chance.
Now that I think about it, there seem to be a lot of situations where some decent items are overlooked by nearly everyone.
I saw you in the comments in a video earlier this morning lol.
Hey chris
O Time Lord of RUclips, how did you make the text tilt?
I am currently playing through Super Mario RPG Remake with my 7 year daughter. She just bought the hammer in seaside town and equipped it because it said it was 'lucky'. Oh to see the world through the eyes of a 7 year old again.........
These kind of obscure secretes happened quite often in old games. The mushrooms in Monstro Town that turn you into a mushroom are another example of this (Same name, different effect, placed at a point in time in the game where you would never want to buy one). Also for me personally, I didn't know about the coin ships or white mushroom houses in Super Mario Bros 3 until about 20 years later.
@reddragonlaser Those mushrooms are joke items on the phrase "you are what you eat". If Bowser selects this item, the red arrow doesn't go to him first. The Mushroom Boy in Seaside won't eat them either.
Did you know the Safety Badge from the Sunken Ship guards against all status ailments and OHKO attacks like Jinx's Silver Bullet? Yet it says just Mute and Poison.
@@1bosstv Those kind of secrets are what we in the know call "the game is very glitchy".
"obscure secretes"
That is an interesting typo.
@@1bosstv The safety badge doesn't protect against one hit KO attacks. That's what the safety ring, also found in the ship, does.
@@reillywalker195 Just tested it out for myself and you're right! The Safety Badge just protects against all status ailments. I like the Lazy Shell too, makes most attacks deal 1 HP of damage, protects against elemental attacks, but OHKO moves like Silver Bullet still take you out.
I only knew due to having memory issues, I wrote down in a notebook every item, description and stats. And then when gamefaqs was growing I submitted walkthroughs or faqs to them so that I wouldn't lose my notes from wear and tear. But no idea if they are still there and my notebooks are long gone
I'm sure if you submitted walkthroughs and all that, they're still up and standing even after 20-something years later... can't believe I now feel old for thinking about this
@@adventureoflinkmk2 agreed, the only tricky part would be trying to remember the user name I used to try to filter through lol. Shouldn't be that hard though, look at maybe five games that I submitted them for and look for the repeating name
bm10626 Now I'm curious. Let us know if you find it so we can see.
@@Rukathesoldier I've gone through an old external and found several notes including a bestiary in full. with some having estimations on full HPs and exp given out. But I'm not sure if I can narrow it down as some faqs are submitted by one user name, yet the actual open file has a different name. So this will be even trickier than imagined. But I do have a few maybes for my old accounts and files. I always tried to keep the walkthroughs spoiler free and more linked to locations and suggestions. I will ask my buddy if he remembers as he created several maps for that site
I remember the Chrono Trigger one got sent to the site where a bunch of people were working on making a 3d version of the game. I was on as a tester for it prior to the cease and desist letter
Meanwhile, this "Lucky" Hammer is forever ingrained in the minds of anyone who attempts a Low Level Run of this game.
If you do a Low Level run, why would you get the weapon that can double the exp you gain from battles?
@@michaelkowal3230 U want to fail, get 0 exp, not double or tie
@@phantomaxl1207 ah, that makes sense
I actually knew about this because I had the strategy guide. It's a neat little item, but I never bought or used it because I didn't like the Lucky minigame. I didn't know it had an ATK value of 0, though. XD
Yeah, I didn't know about it either, but with the ATK value of 0 it just means it deals the same amount of damage Mario would deal without a weapon so depending on your level you could still deal a lot of damage with the added bonus of doubling your coins, exp, etc!
I bought it. I tried it. It was ok... But I still went the troopa shell because it was stronger.
If everyone just took the time to scroll down and see "a lucky hammer" and a price of 123 coins, they would have at least tried it out like I did years ago
I still have my strategy guide for SMRPG. Out of curiosity I looked at the price eBay the other day and people are selling it for nearly 200$!
i had the strat guide but probably didn't read it thoroughly and just over looked it
That's insane, I replay it every single year and never even in my adulthood would I ever think of purchasing it.
Since you replay it every year is there a way to store items In this game? If yes where?
Aye if you play every year you gotta play a different way everytime to keep it a little fresh
@@bilalt.6849 no
Same. Have to replay the game once a year. Top 3 rpgs made of all time!
Cool. I definitely said something was weird about it and purchased it anyway. In 1993.
But I hated playing the lucky eggshell game so I didn't like it at all and ended up reselling it lol
We need a remaster.
We need a Super Mario RPG 2 kickstarter.
oh wait....
They need to do the same thing to this that they did to links awakening for switch
@@baconcartoonist that sounds like it would be amazing but it also sounds like it might be a bit unusual somehow
@MultiTarded Tru
Yes yes yes
I was one of the few kids who noticed the difference and, on a lark, bought the damn Hammer to see what was so lucky about it. When I realized I could farm coins and EXP very fast with this, I told all of my friends and all the guys at school were like OMG DUDE YOURE A WIZARD. Good times.
I like it when I find out something new about a game I've known for 20 years.
In the remake of the game, they actually changed the name of this hammer into the “Lucky Hammer”
The second i got that hoe it was glued to mario's grubby little italian sausages and capped out my money counter
Probably to make sure it’s not forgotten
Please change your pfp. It's very triggering to survivors of CSA.
How the hell is a profile of a Pokemon triggering to survivor's of what ever CSA is, idk what that is but I know its not involved with Pokemon for sure.
@@definitelynotanAIchatbot/devpls why is your chatbot posting cryptofascist agitprop
Wiki has been corrected to change the attack value of the hammer, thanks for pointing that out. And for pointing out that this hammer even exists, because I never would've bought it.
I did, and i decided not to use it afterwards cuz I saw it lowered my attack in the equip menu
It’s pretty OP when you have the game on the virtual console: create a save state during the lucky game before you choose. Get it wrong, load the save state.
You talk like it’s hard to get it right.
I was obsessed with buying over priced stuff just to see if somthing would happen, even if it was just some extra dialog.
I knew about the lucky hammer since I noticed its description was different from the original hammer. But I didn't really think anything of it because, even though it had the potential to double my winnings, I didn't feel any need to max out my level and was never worried about running out of coins by the second half of the game. Oddly enough, though, I swapped out the masher for the apparently weaker super hammer in some fights. I didn't understand why at the time, but I noticed that the masher had incredibly random attack damage sometimes weaker than the super hammer, so I was willing to sacrifice the extra boost the masher provided when I just wanted reliable damage numbers.
Every weapon in the game apart from Mario's lucky hammer has an invisible power variable that randomly varies attack damage. For most weapons, that variable is equal to plus or minus a tenth of the weapon's attack boost. For the masher, lazy shell, and frying pan, however, that variable is much larger, being ±30 for the masher. Thus, while the masher is capable of dishing out attacks more powerful than the next weapon up, it's a gamble, and my bad luck made it an unreliable choice in boss fights-particularly against Johnny when I went into the 1 on 1 fight not thinking about how that fight got triggered. Switching to the super hammer gave me more confidence in that situation since bad luck couldn't hold me back.
Yeah was gonna say, it didn't help much that my people when I first played SMRPG were at crazy levels, because I got stuck at Marrymore cuz I didn't trade the special coin.. thing.. for a cricket pie for frogfucius, and was stumped again on the sunken ship password lol
@@adventureoflinkmk2 I never bothered with the minigames for the sunken ship password, nor did I look it up online. I deduced the answer with pen and paper, and I still remember it today.
I'm not telling just so I don't spoil it for anyone :)
@@reillywalker195 I actually figured it out really quickly this way like quicker than I could have with the mini-games
So the Masher is basically...
The Unlucky Hammer?
@@autobotstarscream765 You could say that Square was rewarding players who did not button mash with the lucky hammer, while at the same time agonizing the button mashers with, well, the Masher.
so I actually did notice the hammer when I played as a kid and even remembered the old description of the original hammer and knew that this was different despite that I never even attempted to buy it just cause stats were all I cared about as you play rpgs you quickly figure out that stats aren't everything a good ability can be better than a stat so despite noticing pigheadedness kept me from trying it despite how good it was
To be fair, the description was very vague
Geez man, use some punctuation
@@Echidneys i didn't even realize that I read all of that without stopping once, you're right, he needs some punctuation
Video starts at 03:21
41 yo, beat the hell out of my cart since my youth burnt it out when I reached my teens and I've never bothered to check that hammer.... Definitely a new one for me.
This is one of my favorite games of all time and I had no idea this was a thing
This might come in handy for me now as i'm replaying this game and have never known about this
Even the 1996 Nintendo players guide makes no mention of it in the seaside town section.
It is listed separately in the weapons catalog in the very back, with a description, "Lucky appears if timed right."
That's it. No fanfare or notable mentions in the text section of the guide, just a listing in the weapons index.
I have owned the SNES game and the original paperback guide for over 27 years, and still missed this until today.
yup, i'm part of the masses whom thought it was the old hammer just brought back for nostalgia. just to show us how many weapons we've gone through, sorta like a museum of sorts.
lucky hammer + the seaside frog coin shop double XP wearing item = insane XP
Will keep this in mind.
I was A sucker for secrets when the game came out so I've known about this for a long time.
I knew it was different at first, since I always kept/keep the original hammer. But even after printing a "Secrets" page at the library, I ignored the effect since I never won the minigame.
Ah memories. Printing gaming sheets at the library. Good times.
I once brought it out of pure curiosity, and my dad said that I was stupid to spend 100 coins on a Hammer.
Turns out, I got lucky. However, I didn’t main it.
That was unlucky for it.
Dang
Did your dad proceed to give you some noogies and wet Willie’s
I immediately saw the description was different and bought it because I didn't have one yet... not sure if i ever used it, likely did, regardless I saw that it was a unique item even if the name wasn't. I was already wary about items names after finding out that mushroom shares a name with 2 different items. If I recall most guides on game faqs also identify it as a unique item.
Now on Mario RPG Remake for switch the item is called Lucky Hammer. Pretty good to farm, but the yoshi mini game turn to be tiresome after around 30min of battling.
As a completionist, I get (and keep) one of everything, and I tried this weapon because of the description and found the special property of it. Went on to use it most of the game save for later bosses.
I wished they secretly tweaked all the old weapons like the hammer, make that item shop actually useful
The Super Mario RPG's music is so 🎶🎵 good. I ❤ your vids Swanky. Hope you have a great year. Now I am going to get that lucky 🔨!
Danny SG
Yoko does gods work.
Love the soundtrack, one of my favorite tracks is “Let’s go down the wine river!”
OMG got the ❤ from Swanky 😁👍
So I used to make heavy use of this item as a kid, but like everything else, once I got the Lazy Shell I stopped caring about anything else. :-P
I did notice the description was different! But I never used it... Didn't know about its hidden feature though! :D
With the remake out this popped up in my recommended again and they changed the name of it so they could avoid this situation again. It's now called the Lucky Hammer.
And now that you can see stat changes with items and see how much of a downgrade is, with how joke heavy the game is players who don't know about it might just see a weak hammer being sold at a high price and assume its just another joke
Never knew this, even after playing through the game dozens of times, thanks for sharing.
As a kid I sold the original hammer and discovered that I couldn't find it in shops until I came across this one. Bought it, thought it was okay and stopped using it. Always great hearing about somebody discovering something they didn't know about in this game! Good on you, man! I hope you find many more things in this beautiful game.
I just recently downloaded an emulated super mario rpg for my phone, perfect timing and thanks for the tip! :)
How? I'd like to know because I really miss this game.
@@reillywalker195 that entirely depends on what kind of phone you have, it will work on samsung, but will not work on apple phones
wait that’s illegal
@@kopyta8566 I have an Android, so it ought to work.
@@reillywalker195 theres an snes emulator on the app store called "snes9x EX+" i know its sounds sketchy but my and my friend have been using it for a while now and it works great, you just have to get used to the controls. Then there is a site called: Fantacyanime.com and find super mario rpg, they have the final fantacy games and earthbound on there as well, and they will to the downloaded section on the app, please be careful not to go to the wrong site though. Hope this helps :3
Funnily enough, it's renamed as the Lucky Hammer is the remake.
30 years later I learned about the hammer and the sleep sheep thing
I didn't know about it until I watched a 100% TAS of Super Mario RPG where the TAS obviously used it on every encounter to get max EXP out of it to force level all characters with as minimal encounters as possible.
I never even knew this game existed in all honesty
I actually appreciate this from the perspective of a heads up to new players of the series. This is my first time playing, and if the text isn’t changed in the remake, I know I would’ve looked over it for sure.
I thought this would be about the monster masher, the hammer in booster tower that I always missed. When I got it I was so confused because it just reuses the hammer animations.
The Masher seems to be a controversial topic.
Some grab it every playthrough and swear by it while others skip it in favor of buying other equipment later.
@@autobotstarscream765 I don't see any reason to pass it up, personally. It's easy to obtain (for free, no less), boosts your attack, and is as strong as the Troopa Shell you can't get until quite a bit later. I don't see a downside. Even if you don't want to use it, you can at least sell it.
@@kenhollis6197 Yeah you don't have to replace the Masher all the way until after Land's End, which is a long time. It's not "controversial" in any way it's a great upgrade for it's time that you'd have to be lazy to pass up.
24 years later, this game has enough content to still blow my mind! I had no idea about this item... and I thought I was a completionist... silly me!
“Once a new and more powerful weapon has been obtained, it honestly doesn’t make sense at all to hold onto the old ones”
*awkwardly raises hand*
SONOFABITCH WHAT??
Considering it's been probably a decade or more since I've replayed this game, this is one HELL of a bamboozle.
I learned about the lucky hammer from the Open Randomizer, so pretty recently.
I didn't realize people missed this. I always check descriptions, so when I realized the description was different, I bought the hammer to see what it did. The damage was terrible, but Lucky was too good to pass up, so as long as everyone else in the party could take the enemies down, I left it on Mario. Lucky Jewel automatically guarantees Lucky ten times before breaking, and you can't get another one after that, so that hammer helps out a ton.
On that same note, the Happy set of clothing has a similar description, but I never really noticed any difference in getting a Lucky Flower from wearing them.
I was a "lucky" kid back then...
I never played the first Mario RPG game, but I’ll remember to pick that hammer up the next time Square Enix & Nintendo decide on a remake for this game.
I haven't played Mario RPG yet, so I can't watch the video yet. But Recenty I've been doing a 10hp run of Paper Mario TTYD. And I found a hidden gem badge I've always overlooked! FP Drain! FP Drain gives you -1 damage, but every attack gives you 1 FP. So, you can use badges like Power Smash/Jump for free! Or any other attack that only uses 1 FP. So if I basically use Power Smash as my default attack, I'm actually doing 1 more damage than a base hammer attack for free. And if I do start running low on FP I can restore it at the cost of a small damage reduction.
I think Paper Mario has a ton of potential for different metas, that are easy to skip over in a more balanced run.
I also think if you are willing to grind a bit more, Badge Power is objectively the best stat you can level into, because you can use HP Plus/FP Plus badges for 3 badge points, which is how much you gain per level up.
...Just thought someone might find this interesting lol.
I do "Constant Danger Mario" runs. Only putting points into FP and more often BP. After getting full control of Bobbery I locate Chet Rippo and take points from HP to BP bringing me down to 5. Then load up 3 pretty lucky's (there's a method), close call's, defend plus's, last stands's, (lucky day if you've done the pit to level 90- or won the lottery which works by number of days), and a insane amount of power rush's (Pianta Parlor). You WILL have enough BP if you never increased HP.
If you are still unsure you can equip a P-down D-up for extra defense and damage dodge. To up your attack I'd use jumpman with spike shield (and ice for fire enemies). Mega rush can work, but I rarely get down to 1 HP with my method.
Also if you ever need extra HP there's always a HP Plus badges.
The important part is stacking the power rush's. You can deal 50 or more every attack. I only did it for fun, not because I'm a bad player.
@@Itosalix Right, I read about this! I heard you can do kind of the same thing but stacking Close Call badges instead, and Mario just dodges everything! That sounds amusing lol.
My end goal is to have a save before The Pit of 100 Trials. Then just try all kinds of different strats/badge combos, and see how far I can make it. I'm just about to enter the 1000 Year Door now.
10hp has been really fun! It doesn't completely break the game, but I get to use basically all the FP attacks I want! And battles become a puzzle of how to eliminate all the enemies in the fewest number of turns possible. I'm also using Hammer Man cause that's how I roll.
Out of curiosity though, do you know if there is a cap on the number of badges you can hold? I figured if I ever did need more health, I could just get a bunch of HP Plus from Pianta Parlor. If I remember right they have them.
@@slapbass9125 Yeah, they have them at the Parlor (but it's a lot of tokens for one, if memory serves). The ones you find laying around should be enough. I don't know what the cap is for badges, probably just the total number that exists. And I'm not sure if there's a cap for stackables, but a few don't have an added benefit after a point.
I only use Jumpman because you get the boot upgrades before hammer upgrades and can jump on any enemy. But I understand the cool hammer attacks. I switch out Jumpman for Hammer man when I need to use something like quake hammer or the like.
I have this game it’s really fun
Who else is super stubborn about selling original equipment off?
Lots of games don't give you a way to get that stuff again.
I vaguely recall wondering why it was in the shop and had a weird description. This is great! One of those games you could complete and explore like crazy as a kid!
By the time I got there, I didn't need the extra boost/help.
Speaking of mario rpg I found something completely ridiculous and off topic mario rpg related things
I actually found this out on my own because I took it upon myself to collect every unique item while playing through the game. Sadly, there isn't enough inventory space to collect one of every item in the game, so I had to settle for the next best thing and to my surprise, I found out that the hammer from the beginning of the game was one of a kind even though there was a purchasable item with the same name.
I never bought it in the original either. They renamed it to "Lucky Hammer" in the remake though, so I finally knew about it! (though definitely not at the time this video came out)
Woooooooow man! I remember that very clearly, I didn't buy that hammer either, for the same reason, I definitely will remember that when I play it again on my SNES classic, thank you for this my friend.😃👍😎
Huh, I was half expecting you to say it’s the same hammer Mario used as a baby or something
As someone who’s completed a low level run of this game, this hammer is essential. The only way to not gain experience is to play the lucky game, 50/50 get double experience, and 1/3 guess wrong. Emulators and save states trivialize the odds, but on a cartridge, it tested your patience. Nothing more frustrating than beating a hard boss like Culex with pitiful levels, only to guess wrong.
Also, the Boomer/Exor fights are back to back, meaning you have a 1/6 chance followed by a 1/3 chance (Exor gives zero coins, so thankfully it’s always double experience……1/3). 1/18 doesn’t seem THAT bad, until you’re fighting these bosses over, and over, and over. Lol
Now that I'm back here 3 years later, not only am I glad they cleared this discrepancy up in RPG Switch, but since they made the Yoshi game actually fair, that led me to having to grind even less!
I was still a child when I was playing this game but I wasn't so young that I'd miss the Lucky Hammer.
totally overlooked this for the exact reason he suggested.
I was more concerned with how the hell was I ever going to defeat Culex, eventually I caved and found a guide telling me to use different bombs.
I did not know about this. I recently learned that the base damage of the basic Jump attack increases by +0.5 every time you use it up to a maximum of 125 damage + Mario's magic attack.
Wow. I never knew of this. Nice find. Will definitely pick it up when I play through SMRPG in the future.
Mario RPG is freaking awesome, man. I got it from a neighbor for $1 back in the day because he didn’t like RPGs or understand that bowser’s castle in the beginning wasn’t the end of the game 😂 I had such a blast playing it when I was like 13 in the early 2000s.
And yeah man, how in the world would they expect anybody to fork up all the coins with a vague description and old name like that? Ugh
He couldn't understand that the "tutorial level" wasn't the end? He really thought it was _that short?!_
@@Wendy_O._Koopa my exact thoughts, he was maybe 10-11 and I believe he just wanted to tell himself he already beat it or something… he was mostly a sports game kind of kid
Lol I did a 100% shop playthrough in 2004 when I found a copy of this game again and figured tjat was knowledge I missed in the 90's. Kudos for spreading your discovery!
in the remake there is no "Second Hammer". The version in the remake is now correctly named 'Lucky Hammer' But keeps the description
I just did another replay of the game and I never realized that hammer had any use. That's hilarious!
Wow, this is the first secret video for Super Mario RPG that was something i didn't already know that i think I've ever seen since the game came out!
I actually found this out a number of years ago by mistake. After playing through SMRPG in one sitting, I realized that the description for the Hammer Bros' Hammer was different from the Lucky Hammer. After looking it up, I found the exact thing that is described in this video. It's interesting to know that there are gems like this still semi-hidden in a game that's 24 years old.
Why did everyone overlook the Lucky hammer in the shop! I spent months programming this awesome lucky hammer! It's SOOOO OBVIOUS it's a new weapon! *Giggling* Should we tell him?
I had the official strategy guide and I didn't know this. This is the first new thing I've learned about my favorite game of all time in I don't know how long, years.
Very cool, thanks for the vid
0:04 Skip Intro
I was JUST playing through the game for the first time, and I noticed that the description looked cool, so I bought it and found out what it was through intuition and of course trying it. Very neat, but I'll just hold it in my inventory for now.
I remember buying it based on the description. This was towards endgame, and I wanted to just waste money because I had jumped for 999 coins in the gold box. I figured I'd buy all the old items I had sold. Then I decided to do a playthrough of the factory with the first weapons you normally get, so the weak ones. The Hammer making "Lucky!" appear was unexpected, but I also hate the Lucky game in the SNES version. Never could tell and usually lost big time. On the Switch version I can always find Yoshi now, so I will take it lol.
I had no idea about this either! I thought i completed mario RPG fully as well. Thats amazing!
Cute piggy 😁
Mario RPG had one of the most interesting and varied set of equipment out of all the Mario RPGs so far.
I did not know about it, but I have a magazine strategy guide for the game kept in good condition. Its incredibly rare and might host some secrets not commonly known like this one.
i'd like to share something interesting i noticed myself.
a shop in the town of Moleville sells an armor item called "work pants".
this type can be worn by any character (very rare) and gives a +5 speed bonus (unique)!
BUT, it also has a very low defence boost.
BUT, i noticed that it actually gives a better defence than most items that Bowser can wear!
in fact, you won't find anything better for Bowser until that shop inside the volcano!
“The gimmick hammer that isn’t actually useful at all and also every kid with the player’s guide knew about it.”
Still learning new facts about these classic games is mind blowing to me. ive played and beat this game at least 3 times and never knew this.
I remember this hammer being part of some stupid challenge run, where all the characters were not allowed to level up and you had to constantly lose the luckys.
If you have the lucky jewel this hammer would be completely pointless. But also the yoshi gamble is kind of dumb. For example why risk losing 5 xp to potentially gain 10xp, when you could just fight 2 battles for a guaranteed 10xp. It would only take a few more seconds and there's no risk of losing xp
The lucky jewel breaks after 10 uses, though, and doesn't always work. The lucky hammer always works and doesn't break. As for why you'd gamble: it's to hope to save time since the Yoshi minigame doesn't actually seem to be based on RNG.
@@reillywalker195 even still the game is so easy. Over leveling actually ruins the game. Any time I play i purposely avoid secret weapons and level capping. Also Mario's super jump is broken AF when you figure out the timing
I've been watching RUclips videos about Mario Rpg since the remake was announced and I am impressed at how much I actually knew about most of this stuff back when I was a kid. I think this is one of the very few rpgs that I 100% and found every secret ( super suit, secret frog coins, bellhoper, lucky hammer). If my memory doesn't fail me, I think i got to lvl 99 on every character. Only things I am learning is the localization changes.
I find it pretty crazy that this game didn’t show stat changes for equipment in shops. Even at the time this was a pretty standard thing for most RPG's. Definitely a blunder on Square's part.
I've played through this game maybe 3 or 4 times and never knew about this special hammer. The developers were very clever in hiding that special item.
It's essential for a low level game
Or if you're playing without armour or accessories and trying to max out stats on weaker enemies.
Actually yes, I did notice the lucky hammer back in the 90's when playing the game... I figured it had a special use that was a trade-off for being weaker. But I rarely used it, or experimented with it in my playthroughs. Thus, I knew it was a unique and different hammer, but didn't completely understand it's benefits. That's because I almost always opted to give Mario the weapon with better attack power instead.
Hello, you broke my brain. I, too, have played this game up, down, and backwards, and I never even tried to buy this hammer. Ever.
This literally makes me want to play SMRPG all over again just to get to this point and power level for the next 2 hours. Not that anyone needs it, but this is such a super cool find.
this is genuinely something new for me. I mean... I knew there were some things I hadn't gotten (ie, the jump rewards) but I assumed it was junk as well.... now I need to get the game again for this lol.
I'm pretty sure I knew about this via a strategy guide...but being a kid at the time, and since the game is on the easy side for an RPG and you didn't need to grind for much of anything, I had more or less ignored the Lucky Hammer and never used it as intended.
I had no idea! And I had played this game so many times that I can visually play it from start to finish in my head.
"Geno for smash"
Otacon464 mess around with how the attacks work, duh.
@Otacon464 Doesn't matter if they are split into a moveset.
@Otacon464 That sounds like an excellent idea.
-Forward air is like Marios, but Geno fires off Hand canon launch for a stronger spike hitbox.
-Back Air is Piranha Plants.
-Down air is Mega Man Down air
-Up air is Mii Gunner
-Jab is like Star Rod Jab, but will guarentee stun for a few frames to lead into combos.
-Up Smash is Samus, but lower.
-Side Smash is Samus, but lower
-Up tilt is similar to Mario
-Down tilt is like ROB, but has shorter hitbox and is a small kick.
-Forward tilt is a thrust of Geno's arm canon, decent range, being similar to that of Luigi's Forward Smash.
-Forward Smash is Mii Gunner's
-Down Smash doesn't hit behind, but matches Geno's other Smash Attacks. Basically a Faster version of Snake's Down Smash, but weaker to compensate.
Specials Each have a timing mechanic, which can provide added bonuses
-Up Special Is Geno Boost, but it doesn't work like in Mario RPG, instead, it Boosts him up to heights. Timing mechanic implimented into move, and getting correct timing (5 frame window after 10 frame animation) raises recovery height and speed and also boosts Attack for short period (5 Seconds after move completion) and invunrability for duration of move (2 seconds). Can be aimed like Jokers.
-Neutral Special Is Geno Beam, Geno Charges a beam, once fully charged (Stars go away) stops charging. If you can time a button press to the completion of the charge (Stars vanish, 4 frame window), it deals more damage. Every star is a checkpoint to release, and if you hit B when one appears, but before the next appears (Second Long Window), Geno will release charge immediately, for decreasingly less damage from full charge.
(Heirarcy:
-No Charge (1/2 second window), Fox Laser.
-Stage one (One Star) similar to Robins Stage one Electric attack
-Stage 2 (2 Stars), Moderate Laser, After echo exists for a second.
-Stage 3 (3 Stars), Moderate Large Laser. Ever played as Daroach in Kirby Star Allies? Geno's Stage 2 and 3 Lasers are similar to Daroaches laser charge, but don't freeze. 2 seconds of screen time.
-Stage Four (Fully Charged, no timing) Fires of a Powerful Laser, Similar in speed to Thoron from Robin's Moveset. Multi hit.
-Perfect (Fully Charged, Timed) Hits for 4/3 damage of Stage 4, every hit.)
-Side Special is Geno Whirl, Double Damage if you time the connection with the opponent. Only one can be on Screen.
-Down Special is Geno Burst (Original move) Star energy bursts forth from Geno, acting as a counter/reflector, but unique in that you have to hit B again to return the damage. Absorbs one attack, but if it fails to absorb anything or you don't return the hit properly, very punishable. If it reflects, you have to time the hit of the projectile. This would make Geno the only Mario Character with a counter of any kind.
-Final Smash: Geno Blast. Geno charges energy and fires it into the sky, where it begins raining down on the stage. Devastating, so long as you are hit by it, can't go through 2 layers of stage (Two solid Platforms)
Throws are standard, but Up throw is similar to Fox's. Pummel is Geno smacking the opponent with his arm canon.
-Up taunt is Geno's victory animation.
Dodges are Geno de-possessing the Geno Doll, and shifting it along with his power if they are Directional.
I actually had quite a bit of fun brainstorming ideas for Geno's Moveset, which mind you are just that: Ideas. The exact movements won't be perfect, and the moveset won't be identical to him if it makes it into the game, but this is what I've come up with.
Oh and I ain't no Nintendo Insider, this isn't an actual moveset. Just Ideas for a potential moveset.
@Otacon464 It's true to the game, because quite easily, Arm _canon._
Forward air is a needless copy, but K-Rool and Banjo have very similar movement to Mario's so who really cares. Besides, Funny Arial is Funny, Has always been funny, and Will always be funny. Plus it would be interesting to have a unique movement where it can carry opponents straight into Down air, giving Geno something of an Input Move.
Believe it or not, most of the Tilts, Smashes and Air attacks I selected are based from the "Standard" attacks Geno has from Mario RPG, with a bit of leniency to them. Even Fox Up throw was selected for this exact reasoning. He fires of either his Arm or Bullets from his arm, and this is reflected within the movements, The explosions are from his age (hand misfires and explodes,) and Down air is mostly carried by Gravity anyway (I should add that it's not a spike, unlike Megamans)
I forgot Neutral Air, so here it is now: Same as either Ivysaur or Samus, take your pick.
Ivysaur because of Geno's cape, Samus because Arm Canon.
@Otacon464 Sakurai made even piranha plant to a fighter so I don't think that Geno would be a problem either
I never sell my old gear when I play RPGs. I also try to buy all the equipment
congradulations on finding a secret I didn’t know about in the game, that’s awesome
So believe or not, many people DID know about this, but even with the "lucky" bonus, the item was just never worth it for a normal playthrough, unless you were specifically trying to power level or get coins, and even then, there are better ways of doing that, without the Lucky Hammer.
I never knew about this. I’ll have to give this a another play through sometime and buy that hammer!