@@jbt0618 That's a lie. Hulkenberg is not good enough to score a podium. Look at all the times Perez beat him in Force India and the way he wasted the potential of that 2018 Renault.
@@Dubushan that's what he's saying " he's one uncompetitive WEC drive away from the Triple Crown" meaning he needs a better car to win le mans but he's already in WEC
@@Dubushan no. A win at Le Mans counts towards achieving a triple crown, but you don't have to win at le mans to achieve a triple crown. You can also achieve it by winning the Monaco gp, the indy 500 and the 24h of Daytona for example. And winning the monza gp also counts as a win towards the triple crown as far as I know.
@@martenspitzner408 Where did you get that (genuine question)? I've only ever seen two definitions and they both include the Indy 500 and Le Mans. Some specify the F1 title and some specify just the Monaco GP.
I'm glad someone else remembers how good Grosjean was in the second-half of 2013! I guess for many it's very easy to forget given his reputation for hilarious and weird crashes.
It was the best part of his career. Almost winning Japan, sandwiching the Red Bulls in Austin and more podiums really made up a good season four him after his messy start.
@@corbinselanne7990: Nah, I think that was residual memory from 2012, so the teamup of Grosjean and Maldonado was fearedmemed for that reason. Grosjean wasn't especially bad in those years, and even got a podium in 2015 with a terrible car. I feel his weird incidents in his later career at Haas revived his rep for bizarre accidents (safety car shunt in Baku, clashing with Magnussen, dropping in the pitlane at Silverstone, etc.)
I remember being a Grosjean-fan in 2013 and some time after that. Haven't really followed his career at Haas ever since. Guess I have to change my opinion on him, since he really doesn't seem to have left his 2012-days behind.
That was the biggest problem with Frank Williams. He wasn't as bad as Enzo Ferrari, but he was never loyal enough to his drivers. He lost out on a ton of great drivers because he was always looking for the next best thing.
Absolutely. They had probably the fastest car in the early 2000s but never really hit it on gear properly. Also they completely fucked up HHFs career. The bastard was told to be actually faster than Villeneuve but Patrick head just couldn't leave him to do his job properly
@@juhosten3463 Unfortunately, this is not particularly correct. The BMW engine that Williams had an exclusive deal with was truly the fastest on the grid, but it wasn't really the most reliable. As we all know, in order to finish first, first you have to finish. Coupled by the fact that Patrick Head never successfully create a great chassis that could showcase the power of its engine, and the domination showcased by Ferrari in those times, prove to be it's major downfall in my opinion. It was exactly like Ferrari in the hybrid era in 2017-2019 really. The cars were great, but sadly not good enough to win the elusive title.
Me too. He somehow failed to win another race, even though he came close on several occasions. Actually, until the summer break it was still pretty close between him, Alonso and Vettel in the championship, but then Vettel won the remaining 9 races...
@@mrdraw2087 Yea. It would have been really interesting to see how that season would have turned out if the FIA hadn't caved to Red Bull crying about the tires. When they made Pirelli change the tires that's all Red Bull needed to dominate the second half of the year.
@@mrdraw2087 "He somehow failed to win another race, even though he came close on several occasions." It had a simple explanation. Lotus simply were broke after a few races in 2013 and couldn't afford to develop the car further. Heck, they *couldn't even pay Raikkonen's salary* . When Raikkonen joined Ferrari again in 2014 Lotus still owed him money for his 2013 contract. Lotus were so short on money they had to sign Maldonado for 2014 and the team only scored 10 points all season.
@@506thLittleberry actually after the 2013 British gp everyone was crying about the tyres. The tyres were blowing producing very dangerous situations. If you don’t know history thats fine but shut the duck up about history
1-Penske in 1976 had a competitive car and they had a decent project for the future, but they withdrew from f1 that year to focus on american racing 2-In 1982 Villeneuve and pironi could have won the drivers championship but disaster came. 3-After beating ricciardo in 2015 everithing looked well for Daniil Kvyat but after being dropped to toro rosso he has never showed that speed he had. 4-BMW sauber stopped developing his 2008 car killing with it their posibilities of winning the drivers championship that year to focus on 2009 and it went very bad for them 5-After winning GP2 by a nearly 200 point margin everyone thought that Stoffel Vandoorne was gonna have a very decent career in f1 but he was destroyed by Alonso
@@aboredperson4202 Considering Rosberg is legit the only person to EVER actually beat lewis in similar machinery, even if he only did once and lewis beat him every other time. To say bottas is better is ridiculous
Ligier in 1979 came out of the box strong, winning the first two races and looking dominant, but faded and never really got back to the top ever again.
I was thinking of that one too. Laffite had a huge championship lead over the main contenders after the first two races as Scheckter, Villeneuve and Jones had all had shockers.
@@tmb8807 To be fair nobody really expected Williams to be that strong in 1979; they'd scored a podium at Long Beach with Jones the previous season, but it was only when they showed up at Silverstone with the ground effect car that suddenly Williams all but dominated the second half of the season. So Jones had a shocker at the start of the year, but he was kind of expected to in the Williams.
Why everyone forgets the brilliant podium finish Mauricio Gulgemin got in Brazil 89 when remembering the March team? I guess people is just more fond of Capelli
For me, before seeing the video, was how little came of Toyota and Ralf Schumacher. Ralf was a favourite of mine after supporting MS became too easy and especially after his horrible Indy crash and the double win in Nurby and Magny in 2003. Dammit he never truely slipped down field and kept a long line of Top10s and was never a bad driver. Just not quite enough to rival the big guns.
Irvine wasn't really a false dawn as he was only a contender because Ferraris options post-Silverstone were him, Mika Salo (too late in the season for that to work) and Luca Badoer (nope), its why I've always put an asterisk on 1999 myself as I honestly think Schumacher wins Ferraris first title then not 2000 without being injured and missing 6 races
@@areebsiddiqui758 oh thats true but I mean as though the one thing that could be used as a balance is Schumacher actually doing the 16 races (christ 16 how did F1 survive with so few races? /s) and I do think Hakkinen wouldn't have done much differently as all you'd have to do is replace Irvine with Schumacher and its an identical fight
@@areebsiddiqui758 The thing is, maybe Mika was not in the zone because Michael was out. Sounds weird, but many drivers have said over the years that when you are out in front of a race being unchallenged it is easy to lose focus, so maybe in Mika's case, because Michael was out he was not longer fully focussed as he did not feel that Irvine would mount the same kind of challenge. Had Michael been there all season, maybe Mika would have made less mistakes and been more focussed. There was a weird chemistry between Mika and Michael, and I think Michael brought out the best in Mika.
Unpopular opinion: had Barrichello entered Ferrari in 1996 instead of Irvine, in '99 he would have won the title, or at least come very close to it, as in he was a far more complete driver (according to Eddie Jordan) than Irvine ever was.
@@pedroneves4465 not even unpopular he would have won it because Irvine was a one year wonder, I can't blame Ferrari wanting to replace him with imo the most undervalued driver of all time because of the fact he was #2 to 2 different champions forgetting A Barrichello outclassed Irvine at Jordan, B he somehow got a Stewart to score points in '97 and '98, C he should have won a race in '99 if it weren't for sheer bad luck (sounds like Brazilian GPs in his career) and even as an old man in 2010 he outclassed Hulkenberg and 2011 easily outdid the Pastor
Another contender: Johnny Herbert in the 1994 Italian GP for Lotus Mugen-Honda. In a feat of human achievement rarely seen Herbert qualified the Lotus 4th on the grid at Monza only to be taken out at the start by Eddie Irvine. Herbert switched to the spare car only to retire with mechanical problems a few laps into the race, in part because by this time Lotus only had the funds to screw one car together properly. His qualifying position was seen as the chance the team needed to secure funds and guarantee their future, if only they could follow it up with a decent points scoring finish. Instead they scored no points and closed at the end of the season with Herbert being replaced with pay drivers for the final three races.
you could place Jacques Villeneuve here also.. should have stayed at Williams (and he had an offer from Mclaren and Benetton in 2000.. but he wanted to stay loyal to BAR..
His move to BAR was pretty bad indeed and pretty much ensured he would never win a race after he became world champion. Until 2002 he at least seemed to outperform a bad car and maybe things would be different if he could have formed a team around him. Instead, he decided to go to war with Jenson Button in 2003... and lost.
@@mrdraw2087 One name. Craig Pollock. Villeneuve's manager. Gave him whatever he wanted and fixed "good contracts" for him. Pollock even turned team principal for BAR with disastrous results. By the time Villeneuve finally cut ties with Pollock it was too late to reverse the damage. "maybe things would be different if he could have formed a team around him." But that is *exactly* what he got with Craig Pollock. A guaranteed team created for him and in which he earned 2nd only to Schumacher. The problem was that he ended up in a place where he was Pollock's "protégé" in a similar manner Lawrence Stroll has his son Lance at Racing Point. BAR was headed by Reynard which dominated Indycar racing at that time and had won titles in al forms of Formula racing pretty much straight away. Indycar, F3000, F3, Formula Renault etc. British American Tobacco also paid Villeneuve a huge salary - while Frank Williams payed him peanuts, so it's not hard at all to understand why Villeneuve believed BAR would be his ticket.
@@McLarenMercedes Thanks for this useful response. According to Wikipedia, Villeneuve and Pollock parted ways in early 2008, over a year after Villeneuve's last F1 race. Was Villeneuve still preparing for a comeback at that time? Why, according to you, did BAR fail in F1?
@@mrdraw2087 Pollock might have been in charge of Villeneuve's business finances until 2008 and to my knowledge he managed Villeneuve's career from when he was 12. They had a long history together. However he was ousted as BAR team principal from 2003 onward so his leverage in F1 disappeared. At the time most people in F1 had a low opinion of Pollock and he was seen as a nuisance who always had to do things his way - even if he had no racing experience himself. Frank Williams didn't like Pollock always getting between himself and Villeneuve and word around the paddock was that any negotiation with Villeneuve had to go through Pollock. Worse, Pollock reportedly always "groomed" Villeneuve into listening to his "great advice". This explains why Villeneuve declined offers from better teams. BAR failed because it was originally devised as a business venture Pollock had concocted by convincing (and he did a lot of "convincing") British American Tobacco to purchase the Tyrrell team and go racing. In other words this was just a business manager wanting to make big tobacco business earn "big money" while having a world champion to create all the revenue from all the media exposure. It wasn't a group of people with life long racing careers who were racers first and businessmen second to finance their racing. The whole thing was bizarrely timed too since it was widely expected that it was only a question of time before "cigarette money" sponsorship would be banned all over Europe (and not just in France and Belgium) so a huge cigarette company going racing just came across as "to hell with all rules let's just go the opposite direction". Ken Tyrrell also quit the team he had owned the past 30 years when Craig Pollock insisted they should sign Riccardo Rosset for 1998 - whom neither Tyrrell nor anybody else rated. Pollock basically put the minimum in managing the Tyrrell team in 1998 and just went for the sponsorship deal that came with Rosset. The all-new facilities were top-notch and Reynard was a successful manufacturer of racing cars so it certainly appeared as if the new BAR team would be a top team soon enough. Fact is by 2004 they arguably had the 2nd best car behind the Ferrari. Pollock was ill-suited as a team principal so the first four seasons resulted in little progress. BAT wanted to get rid of Pollock but the risk was that they'd lose Villeneuve in the process. The problem was also exacerbated by Honda wanting to do things their way (they originally had intended to enter F1 as a works outfit but shelved that plan when their chief engineer Harvey Postlethwaite died in 1998). In the end Honda still purchased the team and became a works outfit from 2006. I'd say they culprit was Craig Pollock and Villeneuve rising to the top really early in his F1 career. Basically they got high on their own success. But had Villeneuve listened to others who told him that Pollock was bad for him and decided things on his own (he could have since he was champion after all) his career might have looked different and never just petered out. Villeneuve *did* plan a F1 comeback after 2006. Reports said he had negotiations with Toyota and Red Bull. He was also shortlisted for a potential driver for Brawn GP for 2009. In 2010 he had negotiations with the stillborn Stefan GP team (used Toyota's unraced 2010 car). By the late 00's F1 had their Hamiltons, Alonsos, Raikkonens, Vettels, Buttons and Kubicas so Villeneuve didn't really have much to offer for any teams.
@@McLarenMercedes *Tosser 😜 Thanks for all that. Given I was already a long-term fan by then, I knew all the individual bits of info, but never really "joined the dots". If you're not already writing for a living,you should consider it. (Not joking, btw, and I've had a fair bit to do with literature and non-fiction writing in my time. You write facts very well without padding - which in my case is usually just waffle - but say everything necessary. No mean feat!)
Williams should have got behind him from the start of the year. They had the fastest car in 2003. Without the spin in Australia, 4 lost points from Ralf's 2 wins in the middle of the year and Austria/Suzuka breakdowns, he's have won comfortably.
@@simbarocksone Williams was the best car in 2003 and he finished 3rd in the championship behind schumi and räikkönen so im not really sure how exactly he deserved that
Honda must of been seething inside knowing they put so much effort in 09, obviously not knowing how good the RA09 (BGP001) it was, all to be thrown away in credit crash in 08. Also possible no Mercedes and no Hamilton dominance. How scary F1 could looked a lot different.
I was wondered in 1980-1999 although in those few years Ferrari earned the constructor title like something went wrong, the absence of a world champion driver What is the problem? car factor? racer? regulation? staff?
F1 metrics once analyzed this. He could have won a title in the early-1990s for Williams. The relatively poor quality of the midfield drivers back then made him look better than he actually was. Later in his career he was even outscored by Pedro Diniz.
@@mrdraw2087 yeah good point about the midfield drivers i remember even drivers like Phillipe Alliot would score on occasions but yeah not sure what happened in his last few seasons he was out performed by a rookie Heidfeld as well
@@afilleduptaco Rewatch some old races from the early to mid 90s. Many brilliant performances by Alesi, and he was also a master in the rain. Definitely world champion material, but wasted talent due to circumstances, unfortunately...
Honestly...Honda's "false dawn" could actually be considered a real dawn of a new age, just one that took a long time to manifest. The progress from 2008's slump to 2009's surge as Brawn GP to the acquisition of the team to become the turbo-hybrid monster that was Mercedes did eventually bear fruit. It was a slow but steady climb and they definitely demonstrated growth year over year in the time since Honda exited the sport, building on its successes and paring down its failures to get where it eventually got.
I know it was mentioned in the Grosjean segment, but another false dawn were Lotus challenging towards the front of the grid in 2012/13. It seemed like the Enstone team would be regular contenders again, but the dawn of the hybrid era, a poor chassis and power unit, and underfunding (not helped by Maldonado's incidents) left them begging for help from Renault again, buying Lotus for just £1. But things are looking up for them again now in 2020, especially following Ricciardo's podium at the Nurburgring and the signing of Fernando Alonso for 2021-22 when they rebrand to Alpine. I hope this upward trajectory in performance continues for them and isn't another false dawn.
Ricciardo beating Vettel and being hyped up so much to be the next generational talent has to be one of the biggest false dawns. Now he’s being beat by his younger teammate on a weekly basis. Guy was never going to be a multiple WDC let alone one.
Robert Kubica's win for BMW Sauber at the 2008 Canadian GP - backed up by Heidfeld for a 1-2 - has to count given Kubica lead the championship after it only for BMW to leave 2008's title fight to Hamilton & Massa, turn all resources and focus to 2009, botch those rule changes and duly pull out of F1 altogether before 2010
I remember the hype about that 2005 Montoya Raikkonen combo. The early season kinda sucked, but the mid and late season came alive, but too little too late. Never imagined it would all end the way it did in 2006, with Kimi leaving for Ferrari and Montoya leaving the sport period. Shocking really.
Sadly, one of the biggest false dawns was Johnny Herbert's F1 debut (4th, and tantalisingly close to both the podium and the win!) despite not having recovered from his F3000 crash the year before. Despite winning three races, his F1 career was never really going to live up to the promise of his junior career thanks to the injury.
I followed Montoya from CART to F1, and that’s when I fell in love with it. JPM could have had such a better career, in every aspect except maybe CART, if not for his attitude
I honestly believe that he simply had no tolerance for all the BS that comes along with racing in F1. He's a true sportsman, and just wants to race. Unfortnatley F1 is no longer the platform for that.
@@NDN_FTR so true. It sure was cool to see that he held fastest lap at many tracks until just recently. He really left his mark and had such potential. Those cars in that era were BEAST!!
Williams managed 4th place twice in that period didn’t they? If anything its from 2018 onwards when they massively fucked up on the car design and have had to work hard just to catch back up to the midfield
@@deeznoots6241 They did manage 4th but keep in ind Williams is F1´s 3rd most succesful team so a couple of 4th´s is far from what is expected. Atleast back then.
The 2009 "Honda" car was actually the SuperAguri SA09. Once SAF1 started improving, their engineers where seconded to Honda mid 2008 to try fixing the issues with the M.E.D snail. Never, ever, think the Brawn car was a Honda - that is simply pissing on Mark Preston's legacy!
Another false dawn was Williams in Bahrain 2006. The team seemed to be more competitive in Bahrain than they had expected with the loss of BMW engines, Mark Webber finished 6th and reigning GP2 Champion, Nico Rosberg, who was making his debut in F1, drove brilliantly to recover from losing his front wing on lap 1 to finish in P7 and set the fastest lap of the race. Unfortunately, even though Rosberg and Webber started 3rd and 4th in the second round in Malaysia, it was pretty much all downhill from there. Rosberg had the worst season of his F1 career, finishing a dismal 17th with 4 points scored and Webber was only 3 places better in the championship in 14th with 7 points total
05:59 after Kimi signed the Ferrari contract the team openly favoured Romain. There is a radio conversation between Kimi and Lotus pitwall from the 2013 Indian GP which tells the story. Have you ever heard anything close this before? Also: not paying for Kimi the amount of money (it was based on results Kimi delivered) he deserved was something that didn't helped the relationship between Kimi and Lotus.
Prost! haha! I worked for ACER computers back then who were sponsors of Prost and they brought us all over to the Belgian GP. We had pit access for the FPs and all sorts. Despite the ire of my boss at the time, i made a point of having a conversation with Schumacher because OF COURSE YOU WOULD! and this was the substance of the conversation I deliberately make my way down the pitlane to his box, where he's chatting away to someone, and as nonchalant as if i was meeting an acquaintance in a local shop, i coughed and they looked up at me, i nodded as i was passing by, and said "how are ya Michael" and kept walking... He replied, " thank you, good." smiled and that was that. That was the day i spoofed being a legit part of the F1 fraternity when in fact i was just a dickhead with a guest badge. I don't care how lame it seems to anyone out there. I did it you didn't! :P
I remember when there was a McLaren mp4-22 mock up car displayed in the college lobby and I tried to sit in it 🤣 worse still I would brag about it like I raced the bloody thing
I would include Sergio Perez, McLaren 2013. Perez said after being announced as the driver replacing Mercedes bound Lewis Hamilton at McLaren that he expected to win the world championship. He had just come off a very impressive season with Sauber and was relishing the chance to drive a top car. These expectations weren't entirely without justification. After all, McLaren had on average the fastest car on the grid in 2012 and won the final race of the season in Jenson Button's hands. Things continued to look promising as Perez set the fastest time in preseason testing in 2013. However, that was as good as it got. McLaren scored a massive own goal technically with their 2013 car, the MP4-28. The car concept was utterly changed from 2012-13, the nose height was raised to try to encourage more airflow to the floor of the car and the suspension was changed from Pushrod suspension all round to Pullrod suspension all round. The changes were intended to be an all-out push for the title, but instead, the changes drastically affected the aerodynamic balance of the car. The result was that McLaren had their worst season since 1980, falling from 3rd in the Constructors Championship in 2012 to 5th in 2013. Not only did they fail to win any races, but with a best finish of 4th, they had their first season without a podium since 1980. Rightly or wrongly, wrongly as it turned out, Perez was made the fall guy, being booted by McLaren to make way for Kevin Magnussen in 2014. Perez had infrequent podium finishes with Force India (latterly Racing Point) from 2014-19, but with a change of car concept, for the better this time, in 2020, Perez took a long overdue first win at the Sakhir Grand Prix, his 190th Grand Prix start, breaking Mark Webber's record for the highest number of Grand Prix starts before taking a win (Webber took 130 attempts before claiming a first win)
Frentzen's 1999 season was probably one of the top 10-15 best ever by a driver, look how terrible Damon Hill was, a previous world champion with 22 wins. Sad no team was interested on Frentzen... It all went wrong at the Ring for him... 😭😭😭
The mantra about the Benetton B196 being a championship-deserving car is quite tiresome already and does not stand the most basic fact checking. On the second race of the season, Interlagos, the car was 11kph slower up the main straight compared to the similarly engined Williams. By mid-season it was almost 2 secs per lap slower than the Williams at Silverstone. Does anyone believe that kind of deficit can be attributed to any top driver? C'mon.
I remember supporting Toyota because my grandfather had a Panasonic TV back in the days, I thought if Toyota won every race we'd get a discount so I can have my own TV😂
Do we consider Vettel and Ferrari a false dawn? They did well but both driver and organisation choked in key moments across the years costing championships
If Honda had backed Jordan instead of BAR and if Jordan had gone for a reliable evolution of the 199 for the EJ10 it might have had a different outcome. Getting rid of Frentzen might not have happened if Jordan had a secure Honda deal.
At the time I felt it was surprising Honda preferred to back BAR. Still, I think 1999 was one of a kind. The top teams (McLaren and Ferrari) threw away so many points that year. Frentzen and Jordan were reliable, but they lacked some speed to genuinely challenge the top teams. That didn't really change in 2000, but as the top teams performed far better that year, it was way harder for Jordan to score good results. Reliability problems didn't help either.
Giancarlo Baghetti - French GP 1961. Won his first F1 race. Never won again. Actually only scored in two more races after this sole win. In 1967 he even got the chance to drive for Team Lotus at the Italian GP with the revolutionary Lotus 49. Jim Clark put the Lotus on pole with 1'28''50. Baghetti qualified the same car second last with 1'35''20 - or 6,7 seconds slower than Jim Clark. As for teams. Walter Wolf's team 1977-1979. Started off its first season by winning the first race. Scheckter won 3 races in 1977 and finished 2nd to Lauda in the final standings. In 1979 Wolf cut down on his investment and the team didn't score a single point all season. The car was so bad James Hunt retired mid-season. He was replaced by future champion Keke Rosberg who didn't manage to get anywhere near point finishes - or even finishes in most races.
Eh, ending up on the podium between 2000,2004 was as good as you could reasonably hope if you didn't happen to be driving the Ferrari. I liked Eddie Irvine but he wasn't that special a driver so I don't feel bad about him missing out on the championship to Hakkinen, I do however think the cruelest loss ever in F1 was definitely Massa in 2008. He crossed the finish line as World Champion, only for Glock to lose out to Hamilton and having it taken away from him 40 seconds later... Imagine, world champion for 40 seconds... The agony.
BMW Sauber 2008 and the First race in 2009. They could have gotten a title in 2008 with Kubica if they were developing a car. He got 7 podium finishes that year including famous Montreal win. The quickly shifted Focus to what turned out to be utterly junk 2009 car. For some mysterious reasons, car was fast in Melbourne with Kubica. Heidfeld who used KERS had more troubles. Somehow Kubica was in a way for P2 and maybe even a win but Vettel went into him. Then the pace of the car really disappeared for the rest of the season (apart from Spa and Interlagos)- no idea why.
8:58 Toyota failed because of corporate disingenuity. Nowadays I think the time has come for them to try out F1 again, with their performance team “Gazoo Racing” that has dominated the WEC from 2018 onwards, I think ToyotaGR should try f1 in the meet future ;)
If Montoya had stayed at McLaren, he may have had a shot at the championship in 2007, and Hamilton would probably have had a later start to his F1 career.
Too bad Montoya never really felt at ease with McLaren. He was very inconsistent in 2005 and in 2006 he was just bad. Maybe 2003 was a bit of a false dawn for him and Williams, when Williams were dominating the middle part of the season. Sadly, they lost out on both world titles and never really recovered from that.
So what about Ferrari 2019 to the end of the year + 2020 with whatever they pursued design wise with their engine that was illegal? Obviously a hot topic and shrouded in secrecy, but worthy of this list i think
I would have added that Jordan F1 getting the works Honda engine a false dawn. The Mugen Honda engine of the 98 and 99 seasons was actually a better engine than the works engine. That, and adding Tacuma Sato to the package, led them to slide back down the grid again.
To be fair to Magnussen, had he stayed at Mclaren for 2015/2016 he would have probably been behind Renault and Haas anyway, so if anything he made a step forward by not continuing with the team
Mike brought a lot of that one himself by endless commuting from the US and not taking it seriously. The FIA rules limiting practice laps didn't help either.
@@AlonsoRules Yeah agreed, he thought he would pull a Nigel Mansell but fell crazy short. The FIA rules only apply to the current car, Michael could have driven a car from a few years earlier to atleast get used to the differences between the Indy and F1cars.
That Williams should of scored a couple more podiums but never did. Montoya Turkey, Belgium crashes with back markers whilst Alonso took his 2nd place. Prost 97 was an old benetton Prost 98 was a brand new car. Jean Alesi was the guy who had bad luck or crashed into people. Various times he could of won gps from 1991-1997 could of had 10 wins. but reliability always killed his chances of winning. Monaco 96 and Belgium 1991, Monza 1996, 1997. Various Races in 1994-1995. Nurburgring 95 and Jordan in 2000 had a good car but the gearbox was Achilles Heel.
tbf if it wasn't for Leyton House not losing funding, Adrian Newey would have been able to resurrect the team, and maybe not go to Williams which would be another great "What-if"
More drawn out than most on the list, but Williams BMW. With the struggles of Jordan and Jaguar, Williams were back to best of the rest in 2000. Third again in 2001 but with wins, then second in 2002. Williams could easily have won both titles in 2003, but by 2004 they where no where. Ralf Schumacher never achieved what many thought from the promise he showed early on. Partly linked to the issues with Williams above, but also never seemed to be the same after his US GP crash in 2004. BMW Sauber and Kubica. BMW occupied a no man's land in 2007, a long way adrift of Ferrari and McLaren, but way ahead of the rest. Definitely a top team in 2008 with Kubica a real title contender for much of the season. A disaster of a season in 2009 lead to BMW pulling out and nearly taking Sauber with them. Kubica's rally crash a few years later essentially ended Kubica's F1 career. Massa, massively improved at Ferrari between 2006 and 2008 (we all know what happened in Brazil 2008). Never showed the same form again after the incident in 2009. Vettel at Ferrari (nothing more needed).
The biggest false dawn is Bottas being first in FP1, FP2, FP3, Q1 and Q2
Even better, every January when he states he finally discovered the secret plan to beat Hamilton.
Yes, hello, the police? I'd like to report a murder.
Bottas 2.0, Bottas 3.0 are the biggest false dawn
@@peterfighter Which version of Bottas are we on now?
@@gr0bbelaar Bottas is the human equivalent of the Windows Vista.
Nico Hulkenberg's entire F1 career... he was supposed to break Schumacher's records, ended up breaking Adrian Sutil's records.
@Benito Mussolini Most races without a podium
Hulkenberg never got a chance at a to team
@@jbt0618 Force India?? Perez scored quite a few podiums
@@jbt0618 That's a lie. Hulkenberg is not good enough to score a podium. Look at all the times Perez beat him in Force India and the way he wasted the potential of that 2018 Renault.
True... I remember the hype, nice guy though, tbf to him. Mr bring it home in the points but not the podium positions!
Juan Pablo Montoya also went on to win another Indianapolis 500s - he's one uncompetitive WEC drive away from the Triple Crown
I thought the triple crown involved a Le-Man win?
@@Dubushan that's what he's saying " he's one uncompetitive WEC drive away from the Triple Crown" meaning he needs a better car to win le mans but he's already in WEC
@@Dubushan it does
@@Dubushan no. A win at Le Mans counts towards achieving a triple crown, but you don't have to win at le mans to achieve a triple crown. You can also achieve it by winning the Monaco gp, the indy 500 and the 24h of Daytona for example. And winning the monza gp also counts as a win towards the triple crown as far as I know.
@@martenspitzner408 Where did you get that (genuine question)? I've only ever seen two definitions and they both include the Indy 500 and Le Mans. Some specify the F1 title and some specify just the Monaco GP.
I'm glad someone else remembers how good Grosjean was in the second-half of 2013! I guess for many it's very easy to forget given his reputation for hilarious and weird crashes.
It was the best part of his career. Almost winning Japan, sandwiching the Red Bulls in Austin and more podiums really made up a good season four him after his messy start.
Lotus in 2014 and 2015 was entirely reputation for hilarious and weird crashes because Grosjean's teammate those years was Pastor Maldonado
@@corbinselanne7990: Nah, I think that was residual memory from 2012, so the teamup of Grosjean and Maldonado was fearedmemed for that reason. Grosjean wasn't especially bad in those years, and even got a podium in 2015 with a terrible car. I feel his weird incidents in his later career at Haas revived his rep for bizarre accidents (safety car shunt in Baku, clashing with Magnussen, dropping in the pitlane at Silverstone, etc.)
He really was a good driver, more competitive than most crash prone drivers
I remember being a Grosjean-fan in 2013 and some time after that. Haven't really followed his career at Haas ever since. Guess I have to change my opinion on him, since he really doesn't seem to have left his 2012-days behind.
The Honda performance dip of 2007-08 was gutting for me, being a big Button fan.
Don’t feel sad, 2009 was a redemption year!
But it wasnt honda
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*2009*
@@yeetusdelete0 09 wasnt honda it was a mercedes engine i think look up brawn gp as its a wonderful story
"Eventually Alesi got fed upwith being messed around by Williams". You could insert any number of people's names there for 'Alesi'.
That was the biggest problem with Frank Williams. He wasn't as bad as Enzo Ferrari, but he was never loyal enough to his drivers. He lost out on a ton of great drivers because he was always looking for the next best thing.
Absolutely. They had probably the fastest car in the early 2000s but never really hit it on gear properly. Also they completely fucked up HHFs career. The bastard was told to be actually faster than Villeneuve but Patrick head just couldn't leave him to do his job properly
@@juhosten3463 Unfortunately, this is not particularly correct. The BMW engine that Williams had an exclusive deal with was truly the fastest on the grid, but it wasn't really the most reliable. As we all know, in order to finish first, first you have to finish. Coupled by the fact that Patrick Head never successfully create a great chassis that could showcase the power of its engine, and the domination showcased by Ferrari in those times, prove to be it's major downfall in my opinion. It was exactly like Ferrari in the hybrid era in 2017-2019 really. The cars were great, but sadly not good enough to win the elusive title.
2013 kimi raikkonen win in australia i really thought lotus had the capacity to fight for a title that year
Me too. He somehow failed to win another race, even though he came close on several occasions. Actually, until the summer break it was still pretty close between him, Alonso and Vettel in the championship, but then Vettel won the remaining 9 races...
@@mrdraw2087 Yea. It would have been really interesting to see how that season would have turned out if the FIA hadn't caved to Red Bull crying about the tires. When they made Pirelli change the tires that's all Red Bull needed to dominate the second half of the year.
@@mrdraw2087 "He somehow failed to win another race, even though he came close on several occasions." It had a simple explanation. Lotus simply were broke after a few races in 2013 and couldn't afford to develop the car further. Heck, they *couldn't even pay Raikkonen's salary* . When Raikkonen joined Ferrari again in 2014 Lotus still owed him money for his 2013 contract. Lotus were so short on money they had to sign Maldonado for 2014 and the team only scored 10 points all season.
@@McLarenMercedes yea I’m pretty sure Räikkönen almost bankrupt Lotus due to his wages
@@506thLittleberry actually after the 2013 British gp everyone was crying about the tyres. The tyres were blowing producing very dangerous situations. If you don’t know history thats fine but shut the duck up about history
1-Penske in 1976 had a competitive car and they had a decent project for the future, but they withdrew from f1 that year to focus on american racing
2-In 1982 Villeneuve and pironi could have won the drivers championship but disaster came.
3-After beating ricciardo in 2015 everithing looked well for Daniil Kvyat but after being dropped to toro rosso he has never showed that speed he had.
4-BMW sauber stopped developing his 2008 car killing with it their posibilities of winning the drivers championship that year to focus on 2009 and it went very bad for them
5-After winning GP2 by a nearly 200 point margin everyone thought that Stoffel Vandoorne was gonna have a very decent career in f1 but he was destroyed by Alonso
"Hope is a dangerous thing in Formula One"
Could've ended the sentence at "Hope is a dangerous thing".
😂
Or they could have said “, ESPECIALLY in Formula One.” which could have worked as well
@@adamstewart1458 or he could've said exactly what he said in the video.
There are false dawns every weekend these days with Bottas taking FP1 through to Q2 before Hamilton keeps on winning.
@Charles Szasz The funniest thing is some Lewis fanboys and girls rate Bottas higher than Rosberg and calk Rosberg a fluke. 😂😂😂
@@aboredperson4202 Considering Rosberg is legit the only person to EVER actually beat lewis in similar machinery, even if he only did once and lewis beat him every other time. To say bottas is better is ridiculous
@@Nox_Desiree Umm you forgot Button. 😅
Ligier in 1979 came out of the box strong, winning the first two races and looking dominant, but faded and never really got back to the top ever again.
I was thinking of that one too. Laffite had a huge championship lead over the main contenders after the first two races as Scheckter, Villeneuve and Jones had all had shockers.
@@tmb8807 To be fair nobody really expected Williams to be that strong in 1979; they'd scored a podium at Long Beach with Jones the previous season, but it was only when they showed up at Silverstone with the ground effect car that suddenly Williams all but dominated the second half of the season. So Jones had a shocker at the start of the year, but he was kind of expected to in the Williams.
@@GeriatricFan1963 Yeah, when I said 'contenders', I really meant the three guys who eventually finished ahead of Laffite in the championship.
Why everyone forgets the brilliant podium finish Mauricio Gulgemin got in Brazil 89 when remembering the March team?
I guess people is just more fond of Capelli
Gugelmin is pretty underrated
For me, before seeing the video, was how little came of Toyota and Ralf Schumacher.
Ralf was a favourite of mine after supporting MS became too easy and especially after his horrible Indy crash and the double win in Nurby and Magny in 2003. Dammit he never truely slipped down field and kept a long line of Top10s and was never a bad driver. Just not quite enough to rival the big guns.
Irvine wasn't really a false dawn as he was only a contender because Ferraris options post-Silverstone were him, Mika Salo (too late in the season for that to work) and Luca Badoer (nope), its why I've always put an asterisk on 1999 myself as I honestly think Schumacher wins Ferraris first title then not 2000 without being injured and missing 6 races
That's true but in reality Hakkinen would and should have run away with the title comfortably if not for all the mistakes he and Mclaren made.
@@areebsiddiqui758 oh thats true but I mean as though the one thing that could be used as a balance is Schumacher actually doing the 16 races (christ 16 how did F1 survive with so few races? /s) and I do think Hakkinen wouldn't have done much differently as all you'd have to do is replace Irvine with Schumacher and its an identical fight
@@areebsiddiqui758 The thing is, maybe Mika was not in the zone because Michael was out. Sounds weird, but many drivers have said over the years that when you are out in front of a race being unchallenged it is easy to lose focus, so maybe in Mika's case, because Michael was out he was not longer fully focussed as he did not feel that Irvine would mount the same kind of challenge.
Had Michael been there all season, maybe Mika would have made less mistakes and been more focussed.
There was a weird chemistry between Mika and Michael, and I think Michael brought out the best in Mika.
Unpopular opinion: had Barrichello entered Ferrari in 1996 instead of Irvine, in '99 he would have won the title, or at least come very close to it, as in he was a far more complete driver (according to Eddie Jordan) than Irvine ever was.
@@pedroneves4465 not even unpopular he would have won it because Irvine was a one year wonder, I can't blame Ferrari wanting to replace him with imo the most undervalued driver of all time because of the fact he was #2 to 2 different champions forgetting A Barrichello outclassed Irvine at Jordan, B he somehow got a Stewart to score points in '97 and '98, C he should have won a race in '99 if it weren't for sheer bad luck (sounds like Brazilian GPs in his career) and even as an old man in 2010 he outclassed Hulkenberg and 2011 easily outdid the Pastor
Another contender: Johnny Herbert in the 1994 Italian GP for Lotus Mugen-Honda. In a feat of human achievement rarely seen Herbert qualified the Lotus 4th on the grid at Monza only to be taken out at the start by Eddie Irvine. Herbert switched to the spare car only to retire with mechanical problems a few laps into the race, in part because by this time Lotus only had the funds to screw one car together properly. His qualifying position was seen as the chance the team needed to secure funds and guarantee their future, if only they could follow it up with a decent points scoring finish. Instead they scored no points and closed at the end of the season with Herbert being replaced with pay drivers for the final three races.
I just love how you chose the 1999 contenders as one pick, kinda showing how wild that season was
Honda are such idiots. Everytime they are on the verge of success, they pull out.
Adrian newey is a car design genius... the amount of different era competitive cars he's designed is insane
I definitely remember Malonado's girlfriend
I hope Gasly Bahrain 2018, Brazil 2019 and Italy 2020 won’t make this list
you could place Jacques Villeneuve here also.. should have stayed at Williams (and he had an offer from Mclaren and Benetton in 2000.. but he wanted to stay loyal to BAR..
His move to BAR was pretty bad indeed and pretty much ensured he would never win a race after he became world champion. Until 2002 he at least seemed to outperform a bad car and maybe things would be different if he could have formed a team around him. Instead, he decided to go to war with Jenson Button in 2003... and lost.
@@mrdraw2087 One name. Craig Pollock. Villeneuve's manager. Gave him whatever he wanted and fixed "good contracts" for him. Pollock even turned team principal for BAR with disastrous results. By the time Villeneuve finally cut ties with Pollock it was too late to reverse the damage. "maybe things would be different if he could have formed a team around him." But that is *exactly* what he got with Craig Pollock. A guaranteed team created for him and in which he earned 2nd only to Schumacher. The problem was that he ended up in a place where he was Pollock's "protégé" in a similar manner Lawrence Stroll has his son Lance at Racing Point.
BAR was headed by Reynard which dominated Indycar racing at that time and had won titles in al forms of Formula racing pretty much straight away. Indycar, F3000, F3, Formula Renault etc. British American Tobacco also paid Villeneuve a huge salary - while Frank Williams payed him peanuts, so it's not hard at all to understand why Villeneuve believed BAR would be his ticket.
@@McLarenMercedes Thanks for this useful response. According to Wikipedia, Villeneuve and Pollock parted ways in early 2008, over a year after Villeneuve's last F1 race. Was Villeneuve still preparing for a comeback at that time?
Why, according to you, did BAR fail in F1?
@@mrdraw2087 Pollock might have been in charge of Villeneuve's business finances until 2008 and to my knowledge he managed Villeneuve's career from when he was 12. They had a long history together. However he was ousted as BAR team principal from 2003 onward so his leverage in F1 disappeared. At the time most people in F1 had a low opinion of Pollock and he was seen as a nuisance who always had to do things his way - even if he had no racing experience himself.
Frank Williams didn't like Pollock always getting between himself and Villeneuve and word around the paddock was that any negotiation with Villeneuve had to go through Pollock. Worse, Pollock reportedly always "groomed" Villeneuve into listening to his "great advice". This explains why Villeneuve declined offers from better teams.
BAR failed because it was originally devised as a business venture Pollock had concocted by convincing (and he did a lot of "convincing") British American Tobacco to purchase the Tyrrell team and go racing. In other words this was just a business manager wanting to make big tobacco business earn "big money" while having a world champion to create all the revenue from all the media exposure. It wasn't a group of people with life long racing careers who were racers first and businessmen second to finance their racing.
The whole thing was bizarrely timed too since it was widely expected that it was only a question of time before "cigarette money" sponsorship would be banned all over Europe (and not just in France and Belgium) so a huge cigarette company going racing just came across as "to hell with all rules let's just go the opposite direction".
Ken Tyrrell also quit the team he had owned the past 30 years when Craig Pollock insisted they should sign Riccardo Rosset for 1998 - whom neither Tyrrell nor anybody else rated. Pollock basically put the minimum in managing the Tyrrell team in 1998 and just went for the sponsorship deal that came with Rosset.
The all-new facilities were top-notch and Reynard was a successful manufacturer of racing cars so it certainly appeared as if the new BAR team would be a top team soon enough. Fact is by 2004 they arguably had the 2nd best car behind the Ferrari.
Pollock was ill-suited as a team principal so the first four seasons resulted in little progress. BAT wanted to get rid of Pollock but the risk was that they'd lose Villeneuve in the process.
The problem was also exacerbated by Honda wanting to do things their way (they originally had intended to enter F1 as a works outfit but shelved that plan when their chief engineer Harvey Postlethwaite died in 1998). In the end Honda still purchased the team and became a works outfit from 2006.
I'd say they culprit was Craig Pollock and Villeneuve rising to the top really early in his F1 career. Basically they got high on their own success. But had Villeneuve listened to others who told him that Pollock was bad for him and decided things on his own (he could have since he was champion after all) his career might have looked different and never just petered out.
Villeneuve *did* plan a F1 comeback after 2006. Reports said he had negotiations with Toyota and Red Bull. He was also shortlisted for a potential driver for Brawn GP for 2009. In 2010 he had negotiations with the stillborn Stefan GP team (used Toyota's unraced 2010 car). By the late 00's F1 had their Hamiltons, Alonsos, Raikkonens, Vettels, Buttons and Kubicas so Villeneuve didn't really have much to offer for any teams.
@@McLarenMercedes *Tosser 😜
Thanks for all that. Given I was already a long-term fan by then, I knew all the individual bits of info, but never really "joined the dots". If you're not already writing for a living,you should consider it.
(Not joking, btw, and I've had a fair bit to do with literature and non-fiction writing in my time. You write facts very well without padding - which in my case is usually just waffle - but say everything necessary. No mean feat!)
Montoya's story is so frustrating...
yup 😞 should have had a much more illustrious and successful career
Montoya could have and SHOULD HAVE been world champion. ESPECIALLY IN 2003.
Williams should have got behind him from the start of the year. They had the fastest car in 2003.
Without the spin in Australia, 4 lost points from Ralf's 2 wins in the middle of the year and Austria/Suzuka breakdowns, he's have won comfortably.
@@simbarocksone Williams was the best car in 2003 and he finished 3rd in the championship behind schumi and räikkönen so im not really sure how exactly he deserved that
shut up , back in the roles were made by Ferrari International Assistance (FIA) and schumbager raced alone with barichelo like butler
4:54
Alain Prost and Christopher Lambert?
Surely not, but the guy looks a lot like him. :)
You mean Olivier Panis?
@@bryce148 yeah, sorry. Didn't really recognize him. Didn't watch too much of F1 during the '90s.
Honda must of been seething inside knowing they put so much effort in 09, obviously not knowing how good the RA09 (BGP001) it was, all to be thrown away in credit crash in 08. Also possible no Mercedes and no Hamilton dominance. How scary F1 could looked a lot different.
Love how you guys ditched autosport and are doing better
Imagine if Jean Alesi chose Williams instead of Ferrari 😔
World champion easily. I’m not saying he was a talent like senna but, to go head to head with the man in a TYRELL, he had to be special
I was wondered in 1980-1999
although in those few years Ferrari earned the constructor title
like something went wrong, the absence of a world champion driver
What is the problem?
car factor?
racer?
regulation?
staff?
F1 metrics once analyzed this. He could have won a title in the early-1990s for Williams. The relatively poor quality of the midfield drivers back then made him look better than he actually was. Later in his career he was even outscored by Pedro Diniz.
@@mrdraw2087 yeah good point about the midfield drivers i remember even drivers like Phillipe Alliot would score on occasions but yeah not sure what happened in his last few seasons he was out performed by a rookie Heidfeld as well
@@afilleduptaco Rewatch some old races from the early to mid 90s. Many brilliant performances by Alesi, and he was also a master in the rain. Definitely world champion material, but wasted talent due to circumstances, unfortunately...
Those 2012 cars were ugly.
That Leyton and Williams house beautifully simple looking.
Than Pannis crash was bad.
2014: say not more.
You're right there's no good looking F1 cars in that season.
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*Cough* *cough* McLaren...
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Red Bull and Caterham looked good too.
Edit: the Lotus wasn't beautiful. *It* *was* *freaking* *gorgeous.*
2012 cars were some of the best looking. They looked fast
1:14 The thing is, Magnussen would still have been in the midfield had McLaren kept him.
😄
Honestly...Honda's "false dawn" could actually be considered a real dawn of a new age, just one that took a long time to manifest. The progress from 2008's slump to 2009's surge as Brawn GP to the acquisition of the team to become the turbo-hybrid monster that was Mercedes did eventually bear fruit. It was a slow but steady climb and they definitely demonstrated growth year over year in the time since Honda exited the sport, building on its successes and paring down its failures to get where it eventually got.
I know it was mentioned in the Grosjean segment, but another false dawn were Lotus challenging towards the front of the grid in 2012/13. It seemed like the Enstone team would be regular contenders again, but the dawn of the hybrid era, a poor chassis and power unit, and underfunding (not helped by Maldonado's incidents) left them begging for help from Renault again, buying Lotus for just £1. But things are looking up for them again now in 2020, especially following Ricciardo's podium at the Nurburgring and the signing of Fernando Alonso for 2021-22 when they rebrand to Alpine. I hope this upward trajectory in performance continues for them and isn't another false dawn.
Well...
This is such great quality content. Fabulous work team. Looking forward to what comes next.
Ricciardo beating Vettel and being hyped up so much to be the next generational talent has to be one of the biggest false dawns. Now he’s being beat by his younger teammate on a weekly basis. Guy was never going to be a multiple WDC let alone one.
Robert Kubica's win for BMW Sauber at the 2008 Canadian GP - backed up by Heidfeld for a 1-2 - has to count given Kubica lead the championship after it only for BMW to leave 2008's title fight to Hamilton & Massa, turn all resources and focus to 2009, botch those rule changes and duly pull out of F1 altogether before 2010
1999 was a year to remember. First year I watched the entire season and I was hooked
I remember the hype about that 2005 Montoya Raikkonen combo. The early season kinda sucked, but the mid and late season came alive, but too little too late.
Never imagined it would all end the way it did in 2006, with Kimi leaving for Ferrari and Montoya leaving the sport period. Shocking really.
Shows Montoya in the intro.
My heart:
Sadly, one of the biggest false dawns was Johnny Herbert's F1 debut (4th, and tantalisingly close to both the podium and the win!) despite not having recovered from his F3000 crash the year before. Despite winning three races, his F1 career was never really going to live up to the promise of his junior career thanks to the injury.
Realy loved the look of the Jaguar cars. The early 2000s had a lot of amazing liveries imo.
I followed Montoya from CART to F1, and that’s when I fell in love with it. JPM could have had such a better career, in every aspect except maybe CART, if not for his attitude
I honestly believe that he simply had no tolerance for all the BS that comes along with racing in F1.
He's a true sportsman, and just wants to race. Unfortnatley F1 is no longer the platform for that.
@@NDN_FTR so true. It sure was cool to see that he held fastest lap at many tracks until just recently. He really left his mark and had such potential. Those cars in that era were BEAST!!
@@NDN_FTR in a interview he said the politics especially with Ferrari involved ruined the sport for him and made it toxic.
Lotus went almost bankrupt thanks to kimi
Well they signed a deal where he got paid per world championship point, then Kimi went onto score lots of points...
So you're thanking Kimi for doing too well...
Take a shot every time he says “failed to kick on”.
1. Mastercard Lola
2. Toyota hype
3. BAR hype
4. Williams from 2014-now
5. Ferrari at 2019 preseason testing
Williams managed 4th place twice in that period didn’t they? If anything its from 2018 onwards when they massively fucked up on the car design and have had to work hard just to catch back up to the midfield
@@deeznoots6241 They did manage 4th but keep in ind Williams is F1´s 3rd most succesful team so a couple of 4th´s is far from what is expected. Atleast back then.
Stoffel vandoorne. Was supposed to be like Lando George and Charles is now. Scored a point on his first race but that was as good as it got.
The 2009 "Honda" car was actually the SuperAguri SA09. Once SAF1 started improving, their engineers where seconded to Honda mid 2008 to try fixing the issues with the M.E.D snail. Never, ever, think the Brawn car was a Honda - that is simply pissing on Mark Preston's legacy!
2:56 the class of '01
Those were rookies of 2001 right ?
@@lmao7439 yes
Fisichella in 2005, dominated the first race at Melbourne, thought he would be a title contender that season...
Another false dawn was Williams in Bahrain 2006. The team seemed to be more competitive in Bahrain than they had expected with the loss of BMW engines, Mark Webber finished 6th and reigning GP2 Champion, Nico Rosberg, who was making his debut in F1, drove brilliantly to recover from losing his front wing on lap 1 to finish in P7 and set the fastest lap of the race. Unfortunately, even though Rosberg and Webber started 3rd and 4th in the second round in Malaysia, it was pretty much all downhill from there. Rosberg had the worst season of his F1 career, finishing a dismal 17th with 4 points scored and Webber was only 3 places better in the championship in 14th with 7 points total
05:59 after Kimi signed the Ferrari contract the team openly favoured Romain. There is a radio conversation between Kimi and Lotus pitwall from the 2013 Indian GP which tells the story. Have you ever heard anything close this before?
Also: not paying for Kimi the amount of money (it was based on results Kimi delivered) he deserved was something that didn't helped the relationship between Kimi and Lotus.
Prost! haha!
I worked for ACER computers back then who were sponsors of Prost and they brought us all over to the Belgian GP. We had pit access for the FPs and all sorts.
Despite the ire of my boss at the time, i made a point of having a conversation with Schumacher because OF COURSE YOU WOULD! and this was the substance of the conversation
I deliberately make my way down the pitlane to his box, where he's chatting away to someone, and as nonchalant as if i was meeting an acquaintance in a local shop, i coughed and they looked up at me, i nodded as i was passing by, and said "how are ya Michael" and kept walking... He replied, " thank you, good." smiled and that was that.
That was the day i spoofed being a legit part of the F1 fraternity when in fact i was just a dickhead with a guest badge. I don't care how lame it seems to anyone out there. I did it you didn't! :P
I remember when there was a McLaren mp4-22 mock up car displayed in the college lobby and I tried to sit in it 🤣 worse still I would brag about it like I raced the bloody thing
I know what was wrong with the Toyota, it was too big (9:41)
1:54 maldonado has more wins than everyone here.
Lewis Hamilton has entered the chat.
bottas?
Love these. They give an idea as to what really happened behind the scenes.
ROMAIN DIDNT START THE SPA CRASH!!!!!
It’s was a combination of him and Lewis Hamilton!
McLaren 2018 was a HUGE false dawn
2021 monza was aswell
03:43 now it's clear for everyone that Leyton House was the first car with a raised nose. Adrian Newey is king of aero! 👍
I would include Sergio Perez, McLaren 2013. Perez said after being announced as the driver replacing Mercedes bound Lewis Hamilton at McLaren that he expected to win the world championship. He had just come off a very impressive season with Sauber and was relishing the chance to drive a top car. These expectations weren't entirely without justification. After all, McLaren had on average the fastest car on the grid in 2012 and won the final race of the season in Jenson Button's hands.
Things continued to look promising as Perez set the fastest time in preseason testing in 2013. However, that was as good as it got. McLaren scored a massive own goal technically with their 2013 car, the MP4-28. The car concept was utterly changed from 2012-13, the nose height was raised to try to encourage more airflow to the floor of the car and the suspension was changed from Pushrod suspension all round to Pullrod suspension all round. The changes were intended to be an all-out push for the title, but instead, the changes drastically affected the aerodynamic balance of the car. The result was that McLaren had their worst season since 1980, falling from 3rd in the Constructors Championship in 2012 to 5th in 2013. Not only did they fail to win any races, but with a best finish of 4th, they had their first season without a podium since 1980.
Rightly or wrongly, wrongly as it turned out, Perez was made the fall guy, being booted by McLaren to make way for Kevin Magnussen in 2014. Perez had infrequent podium finishes with Force India (latterly Racing Point) from 2014-19, but with a change of car concept, for the better this time, in 2020, Perez took a long overdue first win at the Sakhir Grand Prix, his 190th Grand Prix start, breaking Mark Webber's record for the highest number of Grand Prix starts before taking a win (Webber took 130 attempts before claiming a first win)
2:57 two of those guys are still in F1...amazing!
Yuki Tsunoda, topped qualifying in Q1 in his first ever race. Best it ever got.
Christijan Albers. An absolute killer in DTM, one of the best ever. But failed miserably as an F1 driver.
Frentzen's 1999 season was probably one of the top 10-15 best ever by a driver, look how terrible Damon Hill was, a previous world champion with 22 wins. Sad no team was interested on Frentzen... It all went wrong at the Ring for him... 😭😭😭
Crazy K-mag's best race was his first.
Williams and BMW for me. Getting into F1 when Mansell was smashing it, I always like Williams and I think it it could have been a great combination.
-The 2014 regulations attracting manufacturers
-Red Bull and Ferrari being competitive
3:51 Anyone know about the wind tunnel problem?
Your vids are always great ( topics ) thx
06:20 By 2014 James Allison was at Ferrari, so expecting Lotus to deliver results was nonsense.
Nobody could “kick on” 😂
The mantra about the Benetton B196 being a championship-deserving car is quite tiresome already and does not stand the most basic fact checking. On the second race of the season, Interlagos, the car was 11kph slower up the main straight compared to the similarly engined Williams. By mid-season it was almost 2 secs per lap slower than the Williams at Silverstone. Does anyone believe that kind of deficit can be attributed to any top driver? C'mon.
love your channel
I was a big Toyota fan. At the start of 2009, I thought we finally were gonna get that win. Nope.
I remember supporting Toyota because my grandfather had a Panasonic TV back in the days, I thought if Toyota won every race we'd get a discount so I can have my own TV😂
Bahrain could have been possible...
BMW Sauber 2008 could be on this list to they were leading the championship after Canada but stopped the car development quite early in to the season
Do we consider Vettel and Ferrari a false dawn? They did well but both driver and organisation choked in key moments across the years costing championships
If Honda had backed Jordan instead of BAR and if Jordan had gone for a reliable evolution of the 199 for the EJ10 it might have had a different outcome. Getting rid of Frentzen might not have happened if Jordan had a secure Honda deal.
At the time I felt it was surprising Honda preferred to back BAR. Still, I think 1999 was one of a kind. The top teams (McLaren and Ferrari) threw away so many points that year. Frentzen and Jordan were reliable, but they lacked some speed to genuinely challenge the top teams. That didn't really change in 2000, but as the top teams performed far better that year, it was way harder for Jordan to score good results. Reliability problems didn't help either.
Giancarlo Baghetti - French GP 1961. Won his first F1 race. Never won again. Actually only scored in two more races after this sole win. In 1967 he even got the chance to drive for Team Lotus at the Italian GP with the revolutionary Lotus 49. Jim Clark put the Lotus on pole with 1'28''50. Baghetti qualified the same car second last with 1'35''20 - or 6,7 seconds slower than Jim Clark.
As for teams. Walter Wolf's team 1977-1979. Started off its first season by winning the first race. Scheckter won 3 races in 1977 and finished 2nd to Lauda in the final standings. In 1979 Wolf cut down on his investment and the team didn't score a single point all season. The car was so bad James Hunt retired mid-season. He was replaced by future champion Keke Rosberg who didn't manage to get anywhere near point finishes - or even finishes in most races.
Maybe Nelson Piquet end of 1990 season, won last two races that season but only went on to win 1 more in his career?
Another false dawn was Massa’s title victory for 20 seconds
Eh, ending up on the podium between 2000,2004 was as good as you could reasonably hope if you didn't happen to be driving the Ferrari.
I liked Eddie Irvine but he wasn't that special a driver so I don't feel bad about him missing out on the championship to Hakkinen, I do however think the cruelest loss ever in F1 was definitely Massa in 2008. He crossed the finish line as World Champion, only for Glock to lose out to Hamilton and having it taken away from him 40 seconds later... Imagine, world champion for 40 seconds... The agony.
1:23 Toto was in Williams in 2012
BMW Sauber 2008 and the First race in 2009. They could have gotten a title in 2008 with Kubica if they were developing a car. He got 7 podium finishes that year including famous Montreal win.
The quickly shifted Focus to what turned out to be utterly junk 2009 car.
For some mysterious reasons, car was fast in Melbourne with Kubica. Heidfeld who used KERS had more troubles. Somehow Kubica was in a way for P2 and maybe even a win but Vettel went into him. Then the pace of the car really disappeared for the rest of the season (apart from Spa and Interlagos)- no idea why.
8:58 Toyota failed because of corporate disingenuity. Nowadays I think the time has come for them to try out F1 again, with their performance team “Gazoo Racing” that has dominated the WEC from 2018 onwards, I think ToyotaGR should try f1 in the meet future ;)
I actually expect to see Pierre Gasly's RBR half-season drive here.
The golden black Lotus F1 of Ramain Grosjean and Kimi Raikkonen for me has the best livery!, But sadly Renault Take that over
If Montoya had stayed at McLaren, he may have had a shot at the championship in 2007, and Hamilton would probably have had a later start to his F1 career.
Too bad Montoya never really felt at ease with McLaren. He was very inconsistent in 2005 and in 2006 he was just bad. Maybe 2003 was a bit of a false dawn for him and Williams, when Williams were dominating the middle part of the season. Sadly, they lost out on both world titles and never really recovered from that.
So what about Ferrari 2019 to the end of the year + 2020 with whatever they pursued design wise with their engine that was illegal? Obviously a hot topic and shrouded in secrecy, but worthy of this list i think
Damon Hill getting 2nd in Hungary and So nearly getting pole in Jerez was def a false dawn for Arrows. Once he left they never got on podium again.
What about the Honda engine with McLaren between 2015 - 2017, or Robert Kubica?
I would have added that Jordan F1 getting the works Honda engine a false dawn. The Mugen Honda engine of the 98 and 99 seasons was actually a better engine than the works engine. That, and adding Tacuma Sato to the package, led them to slide back down the grid again.
To be fair to Magnussen, had he stayed at Mclaren for 2015/2016 he would have probably been behind Renault and Haas anyway, so if anything he made a step forward by not continuing with the team
1:24 Lol Toto at Williams
Stroll’s pole in Turkey...
I would have loved to see him on the podium
How about Michael Andretti's F1 career.
That would imply he had a bright start in F1 somehow.
@@asterixdogmatix1073 you beat me to it lol!
Mike brought a lot of that one himself by endless commuting from the US and not taking it seriously. The FIA rules limiting practice laps didn't help either.
@@AlonsoRules Yeah agreed, he thought he would pull a Nigel Mansell but fell crazy short. The FIA rules only apply to the current car, Michael could have driven a car from a few years earlier to atleast get used to the differences between the Indy and F1cars.
Let's hope Kmag gets another podium this year!
The biggist false dawn's would have to be Montoya,alsei and Toyota as all had great qualities but none were able to bear the fruits of their labour .
7:33 Well, done Honda.
Well, they will do it again.
That Williams should of scored a couple more podiums but never did. Montoya Turkey, Belgium crashes with back markers whilst Alonso took his 2nd place. Prost 97 was an old benetton Prost 98 was a brand new car. Jean Alesi was the guy who had bad luck or crashed into people. Various times he could of won gps from 1991-1997 could of had 10 wins. but reliability always killed his chances of winning. Monaco 96 and Belgium 1991, Monza 1996, 1997. Various Races in 1994-1995. Nurburgring 95 and Jordan in 2000 had a good car but the gearbox was Achilles Heel.
Ligier and Jacques Laffite at the start of 1979. Also, Michele Alboreto at Ferrari in 1985.
tbf if it wasn't for Leyton House not losing funding, Adrian Newey would have been able to resurrect the team, and maybe not go to Williams which would be another great "What-if"
Got recommended this video after Ferrari's 1-2 finish in Bahrain last Sunday, oh no
Time travel is real
DRINK EVERY TIME HE SAYS KICK ON
More drawn out than most on the list, but Williams BMW. With the struggles of Jordan and Jaguar, Williams were back to best of the rest in 2000. Third again in 2001 but with wins, then second in 2002. Williams could easily have won both titles in 2003, but by 2004 they where no where.
Ralf Schumacher never achieved what many thought from the promise he showed early on. Partly linked to the issues with Williams above, but also never seemed to be the same after his US GP crash in 2004.
BMW Sauber and Kubica. BMW occupied a no man's land in 2007, a long way adrift of Ferrari and McLaren, but way ahead of the rest. Definitely a top team in 2008 with Kubica a real title contender for much of the season. A disaster of a season in 2009 lead to BMW pulling out and nearly taking Sauber with them. Kubica's rally crash a few years later essentially ended Kubica's F1 career.
Massa, massively improved at Ferrari between 2006 and 2008 (we all know what happened in Brazil 2008). Never showed the same form again after the incident in 2009.
Vettel at Ferrari (nothing more needed).