I've been in the church for a long time now. I've seen a number of Christian fundamentalists in my day and have read up on the phenomenon a bit too. A friend of mine is one of these super-SJW types and I swear, he's a bigger, meaner fundamentalist than any other fundamentalist I've ever met. The crazy thing: he doesn't even see it. He's completely blind to his own righteousness and bullying. I dare say, if he had some religion, he'd have more perspective on just how sold-out to the church of progressivism he actual is.
When you have disagreements with a 'Intersectional Feminist', they treat it like if it's a blasphemous act or something. I thought of them as a cult for a while now.
@Captain Dildoface “Blah blah blah.” Inequality exists in American society. That is a fact. In St. Louis, there are several Homeowner’s Associations with the language: “negroes may not own property within [our] neighborhood.” The AG of Missouri recently sued to have this language removed from their bylaws. That’s today. 2021. It’s the definition of inequality. I am not a “negro”: I can own property there I am a “negro”: I cannot own property there To dismiss these claims by SJW that this is NOT ok, is to actually embrace this inequality. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
@Captain Dildoface Unless I’m mistaken, the American ideal is to be able to have the same opportunities our neighbors have. Being outright banned from purchasing a home solely based on my race flies in the face of everything we stand for as Americans. Land of the Free and all. A “religious cult” with a foundation in reality, pushing for a positive evolutionary change within a stagnant American culture. Doesn’t really sound cult-like.
@@mattomjohn4314 Let me get this straight: You live in a 1st world country, with laws in place which criminalize racial and sexist discrimination, and gives you the opportunity and means to sue (and most likely win) racist people because not only of their discrimination, but also for their offensive language. And according to you, the lawsuit is already happening. And this is the proof that you are oppressed by the system, and you have the right to call people you don't know "privileged" because of their skin and genitals? You and the rest of the low IQ, spoiled and racist cult should live for a couple of months in Xi Jinping's China; you will very quickly discover what inequality really means and how universal it is, and the true reasons why their citizens are so united, like Joe Biden says.
@@PhoenixRising87 Said by someone who divides people by skin color and genitals while claiming to fight racism and sexism, it becomes a compliment, dear....
As an atheist I agree. A Christian is much easier to have a conversation with than a SJW. A SJW is convinced they have facts to back up their claims. A religious person acknowledges that they don't but they have faith.
I'm an atheist. I think it's important for our group to realize that just as polytheism evolved into monotheism, monotheism has evolved into atheism. That is to say there are now atheistic religions. Feminism and veganism come to mind. Look for anyone who is preaching a doctrine in which they claim the moral authority to impose on others. Separation of church and state needs to be updated to include these new religions.
@Kev Cyberpunk Monotheism isn't a religion, but there are monotheistic religions. Atheism isn't a religion, and I am arguing there are atheistic religions. Feminism and veganism make good examples. Polytheism, monotheism, and atheism are parent categories to the ideologies they contain. So it's about time separation of church and state is no longer exclusive to polytheistic and monotheistic religions. Clear as mud?
kambion It's kind of silly to lump ALL theists together. They're just pointing out that there is a similar attitude between what you're talking about and some sjws.
kambion yea your the problem people like you are the reason the holocaust happened you attack and mock when in reality there have been millions upon millions who have been murdered because of secular ideals ie Stalin pol pot and mao man your deluded and jaded by your own lies Humanity is in dire situation having idiots like you corrupting the masses with lies and rhetoric
The scary thing is them undermining research and scientific studies because it may not result in data they agree with. People are arguing in good faith with studies and research as a basis for arguing their position, not relying on the imaginary (like religion)
Nietzsche said as much a long, long time ago. "God is dead" When the people kill god, it will cause a lot of suffering to transition to a post-god world. Hegel spoke about it before that. People always seem to worship something. If one thing is gone, another replaces it.
I'm curious what school you went to. That is not the case at my school. The professors in the social sciences love conflict theories and casually denigrate western civilization every chance they get.
Humans are naturally inclined to believing in religion or ‘myths’. Back in hunter gatherer days the tribes who held the largest number of people would win out against the tribe against the smaller number of people. How do you get tribes with larger numbers of people? You need something that they all subscribe too, faith in God’s or other religious beliefs that unites them all under the same band. Hence humans evolved over 1000s of years to become more susceptible or inclined to believe in religious beliefs or ‘myths’. Therefore nowadays people without religion often find themselves naturally yearning for some other form of myth to subscribe to that other people also do - in this case intersectionality. This is why I believe it’s incredibly common that large groups of humans will readily commit themselves to almost faith like systems of belief
Program your mind before it is programmed for you. I think what you say is very true and is a big part of my research (for personal reasons) on humanity and what causes corruption, as well as funcional groups. I don't know if it's better to try to move forward and not rely on mythical thinking (which requires frequently checking in with logic and facts to the best of our knowledge) or if that is so far too much to ask of people on a large scale. In that case, maybe creating better myths to subscribe to, ones that don't involve 'being the chosen people' or being hateful towards others for who they are.
This is an important discussion. I've definitely seen this among friends, family, and acquaintances; however, I'd propose that this thinking isn't new. What these guys are talking about are people making themselves out to be god and therefore the authority and deserving to be worshiped ....the prideful. It is interesting that the Bible mentions this narrative in Genesis, where the serpent tempted Eve with being prideful by rejecting God's only rule in the garden by eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, and once they ate from it their eyes would be opened and they would be like gods. As opposed to eating from the tree of life, which Jesus later referred Himself as the way the truth and the life. Eating from the tree of life by contrast requires one to be humble and trusting God's word on the matter. Eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and you shall surely die, or eat from the tree of life and live.
Easy- intersectionality is an overlapping Venn diagram of race, gender, sexuality, nationality, and disability. For example- 1 point for being a woman, 1 for being black, 1 for being disabled, 1 for being gay= 4 intersectionalities. Basically, "Equity" rebranded.
The problem with intersectionality is that it assumes victimhood. It does not take into account the positive factors that those same people may possess. For example beauty, talent, the status of family and friends, wealth, education, profession, etc. Beyonce' is a black woman. According to intersectional rules, she is a victim. But she is a beautiful, talented, rich, celebrity. Does anyone think that her life suffers from negative intersectional bias? In fact, I would say that as of 2020 no beautiful, rich, or talented woman does.
it is a false equivalence. a logical fallacy. intersectionality is not a religion any more than any other analytical framework in sociology. by conflating intersectionality with religion, these people have drawn on broader progressive movements and concepts and lumped them into one overarching narrative that they call intersectionality. this is poor scholarship.
I think this title should be changed to "How intersectionality is viewed as a religion" I don't think these people have actually experienced intersectionality, unless they have lived in another country where white people are the minority.
While I think it's true that people invent new gods or ways or religious thinking when they don't beleive in the old ones (Killing Joke does a great talk about this regarding the development of nuclear power, al though on the esoteric side) I don't remember that being a factor in Game of Thrones. Followers of the new gods conquer or impose themselves on a thriving culture of people who do believe in the old ones, for better or worse. Sometimes the existing culture and brlief system was working just fine for everyone, sometimes not, contantion leaving a void or oprning for some new movement. This is important to point out because conquering has happened throughout our history, and in some cases is happening now.
To still accusing someone of something that happend 200 years ago in a different society with different values is just dumb. As long as everyone now really think that those things were wrong, what's the problem anymore?
A lot of these arguments that say intersectionality is a religion can be applied to pretty much all science and philosophy? Does a belief in gravity or utilitarianism for example not require faith? The reason for what is being compared to religious puritanism is the proximity of issues around intersectionality to very important political ideas.
When is the last time you saw a group of utilitarians shouting at a speaker at a conference in an attempt to convince the masses that deontologists need to check their privilege and that they need to be more woke? You haven't, and that is because the utilitarian is going to make an argument and use reason to try and convince the deontologist and the masses. When is the last time you saw a group of scientists chanting "falsificationism matters" with picket signs, all the while declaring that creationists need to shut up and listen? You haven't, because the scientist is going to try demonstrate, with reason, the strength of his research methodology. Intersectionality is fundamentally different than either science or traditional philosophy because it is rooted in political ideology and activism. Throw in a dash of identity politics and then you have some of the most privileged and safe people on the planet (white and black women) convinced that they are somehow dominated and oppressed (lynched and raped). These people are actually utilizing Nietzschean slave morality to gain political and economic power and people are just sitting back and allowing it to happen for fear of being labelled a racist or misogynist. The sad part of it all is that most of their arguments are based on the most flimsy evidence and unsophiscated interpretation of history I have ever seen. It has been brought into being by an alliance of black and white women who don't really seek to dismantle patriarchal institutions at all. They merely want to control them and secure capital for themselves. They merely want their slice of the neo-liberal pie. It is a movement based on shame and humiliation and those two imposters can never usher in legitimate societal revolution.
@@leamonbazil6792 No, "Faith" in gravity is not required, Proof of the existence of gravity is what science provides (amongst other theories) You obviously don't understand the scientific method, the existence of gravity is proven by experimentation, an objective method which provides objective data and which requires no faith, if you are injecting your own subjective human experiences into science then by definition you are no longer doing science, seriously do they even teach science at school anymore, in the 21st century every educated person should understand these concepts.
@@bradsubramaniam4429 intersectionality is a term coined by a black female legal scholar to describe the layers of discrimination experienced by black women, and other marginalized communities. The term is used to describe the different types and degrees of discrimination people experience in relation to the intersection of their identities.
Meh. 6 of one, half 12 the other. Is Christians who've had the rare education to understand doubt is central to faith are able to be reasoned with. Outside that, there's a reason the word "zealot" exists. Regardless, it all comes down to ideological fanaticism. It's pick your favorite flavor from there.
Exactly, and zealotry is by no means a preserve of people of faith/religious. Some of the most zealous I’ve ever spoken with have been “new atheists” the only intellectually honest stance is agnosticism afaic.
Just curious - this is three white males critiquing a concept articulated by a black woman? A concept that is about dismantling racism, sexism,ableism etc?
Well, that's pretty racist and sexist to focus on immutable biological characteristics instead of thei content of their argument. You also appear to be either unaware or conveniently ignoring the fact that when they wrote their test (aka "hoax") papers, they used many different identities. And all were regarded as "excellent scholarship" by the publications review their work. So, yes, they're absolutely fully qualified. They studied, learned, understood and successfully replicated the (broken) process of critical theory and the way it is smuggled ("idea laundered") into culture. They, and Helen Pluckrose, are pretty much the recognized experts in the subject. What, exactly, are your qualifications? #DunningKruger
Three straight white guys in a room discussing why they can't "make fun of" or "question" that race, gender, and sexuality play roles in inequality that may intersect and be felt differently by different people. This is idiotic at best. Intersectionality is widely accepted by experts, _including_ _conservatives_ , and can be seen plainly in our existing power dynamics and structures. It's _existence_ isn't up for debate any more than gravity is. That ship has sailed. The point of contention is how does acknowledging its existence inform our policies, practices, etc (if at all) to create a more egalitarian system.
Kevin Santillan there's nothing open minded about asserting one book is the "unalterable" and sacred "revelation of a perfect god" with no evidence whatsoever. There's nothing considered about outsourcing your worldview, especially to regular flawed men who read a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of an internally-conflicted doctrine, and then insisting there's burning *forever* waiting for those who won't contort reason to believe it as well. Considerate pah....whatever you say, just keep away from my foreskin, my scientific progress and my free speech. I know what christian consideration gets you when it's allowed to unchallenged power.
I think they showed just how much we should trust these studies by getting their prank studies published in the same journals. It's pretty clear their standards for publication aren't particularly stringent.
I've been in the church for a long time now. I've seen a number of Christian fundamentalists in my day and have read up on the phenomenon a bit too. A friend of mine is one of these super-SJW types and I swear, he's a bigger, meaner fundamentalist than any other fundamentalist I've ever met. The crazy thing: he doesn't even see it. He's completely blind to his own righteousness and bullying. I dare say, if he had some religion, he'd have more perspective on just how sold-out to the church of progressivism he actual is.
Its a political cult like communism. Its very dangerous and needs to be intellectually dismantled
When you have disagreements with a 'Intersectional Feminist', they treat it like if it's a blasphemous act or something. I thought of them as a cult for a while now.
That's because you have cold oatmeal for brains, dear...
@Captain Dildoface “Blah blah blah.”
Inequality exists in American society. That is a fact.
In St. Louis, there are several Homeowner’s Associations with the language: “negroes may not own property within [our] neighborhood.” The AG of Missouri recently sued to have this language removed from their bylaws.
That’s today. 2021. It’s the definition of inequality.
I am not a “negro”: I can own property there
I am a “negro”: I cannot own property there
To dismiss these claims by SJW that this is NOT ok, is to actually embrace this inequality.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
@Captain Dildoface Unless I’m mistaken, the American ideal is to be able to have the same opportunities our neighbors have. Being outright banned from purchasing a home solely based on my race flies in the face of everything we stand for as Americans. Land of the Free and all.
A “religious cult” with a foundation in reality, pushing for a positive evolutionary change within a stagnant American culture. Doesn’t really sound cult-like.
@@mattomjohn4314 Let me get this straight:
You live in a 1st world country, with laws in place which criminalize racial and sexist discrimination, and gives you the opportunity and means to sue (and most likely win) racist people because not only of their discrimination, but also for their offensive language.
And according to you, the lawsuit is already happening.
And this is the proof that you are oppressed by the system, and you have the right to call people you don't know "privileged" because of their skin and genitals?
You and the rest of the low IQ, spoiled and racist cult should live for a couple of months in Xi Jinping's China; you will very quickly discover what inequality really means and how universal it is, and the true reasons why their citizens are so united, like Joe Biden says.
@@PhoenixRising87 Said by someone who divides people by skin color and genitals while claiming to fight racism and sexism, it becomes a compliment, dear....
As an atheist I agree. A Christian is much easier to have a conversation with than a SJW. A SJW is convinced they have facts to back up their claims. A religious person acknowledges that they don't but they have faith.
@Kev Cyberpunk Well yea that's hardcore fundamentalists. Those are the minority of Christians. Your bog standard Christian isn't that hateful.
I'm an atheist. I think it's important for our group to realize that just as polytheism evolved into monotheism, monotheism has evolved into atheism. That is to say there are now atheistic religions. Feminism and veganism come to mind. Look for anyone who is preaching a doctrine in which they claim the moral authority to impose on others. Separation of church and state needs to be updated to include these new religions.
@Kev Cyberpunk Go back and read the comment.
@Kev Cyberpunk Monotheism isn't a religion, but there are monotheistic religions. Atheism isn't a religion, and I am arguing there are atheistic religions. Feminism and veganism make good examples. Polytheism, monotheism, and atheism are parent categories to the ideologies they contain. So it's about time separation of church and state is no longer exclusive to polytheistic and monotheistic religions. Clear as mud?
@Kev Cyberpunk You can be a gay transphobic muslim too.
Absolutely. It's a new religion for the secular. These people are the witch hunters and inquisitors of the modern age.
kambion It's kind of silly to lump ALL theists together. They're just pointing out that there is a similar attitude between what you're talking about and some sjws.
kambion yea your the problem people like you are the reason the holocaust happened you attack and mock when in reality there have been millions upon millions who have been murdered because of secular ideals ie Stalin pol pot and mao man your deluded and jaded by your own lies Humanity is in dire situation having idiots like you corrupting the masses with lies and rhetoric
The fact that people like this are the minority is scary. Fact based arguments are becoming a thing of the past.
Feelings over fact
Do you have any facts to back this up?
The fact that you think that this is fact based... is what's actually scary.
Who says they’re the minority?
The scary thing is them undermining research and scientific studies because it may not result in data they agree with. People are arguing in good faith with studies and research as a basis for arguing their position, not relying on the imaginary (like religion)
Nietzsche said as much a long, long time ago. "God is dead" When the people kill god, it will cause a lot of suffering to transition to a post-god world. Hegel spoke about it before that.
People always seem to worship something. If one thing is gone, another replaces it.
Lmao, I learned about this from professors at my college. That is why this mentality is dangerous-it's taught in schools now
I'm curious what school you went to. That is not the case at my school. The professors in the social sciences love conflict theories and casually denigrate western civilization every chance they get.
Humans are naturally inclined to believing in religion or ‘myths’. Back in hunter gatherer days the tribes who held the largest number of people would win out against the tribe against the smaller number of people. How do you get tribes with larger numbers of people? You need something that they all subscribe too, faith in God’s or other religious beliefs that unites them all under the same band. Hence humans evolved over 1000s of years to become more susceptible or inclined to believe in religious beliefs or ‘myths’. Therefore nowadays people without religion often find themselves naturally yearning for some other form of myth to subscribe to that other people also do - in this case intersectionality. This is why I believe it’s incredibly common that large groups of humans will readily commit themselves to almost faith like systems of belief
Program your mind before it is programmed for you.
I think what you say is very true and is a big part of my research (for personal reasons) on humanity and what causes corruption, as well as funcional groups. I don't know if it's better to try to move forward and not rely on mythical thinking (which requires frequently checking in with logic and facts to the best of our knowledge) or if that is so far too much to ask of people on a large scale. In that case, maybe creating better myths to subscribe to, ones that don't involve 'being the chosen people' or being hateful towards others for who they are.
This is an important discussion. I've definitely seen this among friends, family, and acquaintances; however, I'd propose that this thinking isn't new. What these guys are talking about are people making themselves out to be god and therefore the authority and deserving to be worshiped ....the prideful.
It is interesting that the Bible mentions this narrative in Genesis, where the serpent tempted Eve with being prideful by rejecting God's only rule in the garden by eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, and once they ate from it their eyes would be opened and they would be like gods. As opposed to eating from the tree of life, which Jesus later referred Himself as the way the truth and the life. Eating from the tree of life by contrast requires one to be humble and trusting God's word on the matter. Eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and you shall surely die, or eat from the tree of life and live.
Takers and Leavers
Easy- intersectionality is an overlapping Venn diagram of race, gender, sexuality, nationality, and disability. For example- 1 point for being a woman, 1 for being black, 1 for being disabled, 1 for being gay= 4 intersectionalities. Basically, "Equity" rebranded.
The problem with intersectionality is that it assumes victimhood. It does not take into account the positive factors that those same people may possess. For example beauty, talent, the status of family and friends, wealth, education, profession, etc. Beyonce' is a black woman. According to intersectional rules, she is a victim. But she is a beautiful, talented, rich, celebrity. Does anyone think that her life suffers from negative intersectional bias? In fact, I would say that as of 2020 no beautiful, rich, or talented woman does.
Her husband cheated on her 🤷🏻
How have I not noticed this? It make so much sense
it is a false equivalence. a logical fallacy. intersectionality is not a religion any more than any other analytical framework in sociology.
by conflating intersectionality with religion, these people have drawn on broader progressive movements and concepts and lumped them into one overarching narrative that they call intersectionality.
this is poor scholarship.
@@celbyj133 "analytical framework" 😭😂😂
I think this title should be changed to "How intersectionality is viewed as a religion"
I don't think these people have actually experienced intersectionality, unless they have lived in another country where white people are the minority.
I can't think of a more qualified panel of people to talk about this
Talk about this purity factor in terms of mass vaccine mandates and turning vaxed against unvaxed
While I think it's true that people invent new gods or ways or religious thinking when they don't beleive in the old ones (Killing Joke does a great talk about this regarding the development of nuclear power, al though on the esoteric side) I don't remember that being a factor in Game of Thrones. Followers of the new gods conquer or impose themselves on a thriving culture of people who do believe in the old ones, for better or worse. Sometimes the existing culture and brlief system was working just fine for everyone, sometimes not, contantion leaving a void or oprning for some new movement. This is important to point out because conquering has happened throughout our history, and in some cases is happening now.
Or as people who ascribe to the Dark Enlightenment movement, Intersectionality is the modern Cathedral, and rejecting their views is blasphemy.
they mentioned penn jillette. he'd be a great one to have on the show
that moment was magical.
I tried watching the whole thing and it said it was private :O
Found it on Spotify.. whew!
me too, so unfortunate. I was thirsting to hear the rest
So documented history doesn’t count, eh? “It happened back then, so let it go, that doesn’t exist anymore”
To still accusing someone of something that happend 200 years ago in a different society with different values is just dumb. As long as everyone now really think that those things were wrong, what's the problem anymore?
It's the vision of the annointed.
It needs to be dumped and purged in any government institution. Follow the principle of separating church and state.
A lot of these arguments that say intersectionality is a religion can be applied to pretty much all science and philosophy? Does a belief in gravity or utilitarianism for example not require faith? The reason for what is being compared to religious puritanism is the proximity of issues around intersectionality to very important political ideas.
When is the last time you saw a group of utilitarians shouting at a speaker at a conference in an attempt to convince the masses that deontologists need to check their privilege and that they need to be more woke? You haven't, and that is because the utilitarian is going to make an argument and use reason to try and convince the deontologist and the masses. When is the last time you saw a group of scientists chanting "falsificationism matters" with picket signs, all the while declaring that creationists need to shut up and listen? You haven't, because the scientist is going to try demonstrate, with reason, the strength of his research methodology. Intersectionality is fundamentally different than either science or traditional philosophy because it is rooted in political ideology and activism. Throw in a dash of identity politics and then you have some of the most privileged and safe people on the planet (white and black women) convinced that they are somehow dominated and oppressed (lynched and raped). These people are actually utilizing Nietzschean slave morality to gain political and economic power and people are just sitting back and allowing it to happen for fear of being labelled a racist or misogynist. The sad part of it all is that most of their arguments are based on the most flimsy evidence and unsophiscated interpretation of history I have ever seen. It has been brought into being by an alliance of black and white women who don't really seek to dismantle patriarchal institutions at all. They merely want to control them and secure capital for themselves. They merely want their slice of the neo-liberal pie. It is a movement based on shame and humiliation and those two imposters can never usher in legitimate societal revolution.
@@leamonbazil6792 No, "Faith" in gravity is not required, Proof of the existence of gravity is what science provides (amongst other theories) You obviously don't understand the scientific method, the existence of gravity is proven by experimentation, an objective method which provides objective data and which requires no faith, if you are injecting your own subjective human experiences into science then by definition you are no longer doing science, seriously do they even teach science at school anymore, in the 21st century every educated person should understand these concepts.
i think this conversation would be more effective if they actually understood what intersectionality is... I mean... maybe.
@@bradsubramaniam4429 intersectionality is a term coined by a black female legal scholar to describe the layers of discrimination experienced by black women, and other marginalized communities.
The term is used to describe the different types and degrees of discrimination people experience in relation to the intersection of their identities.
@@roelescamilla6022 The term is idiotic
@@mixedmartialautists there are easier ways to express your ignorance and limited understanding
Intersectionality is a religion.
Gattaca i want to live
They all talk like their ideas are 'revealed' truth, so yeah.
Muh Ideology!!
Meh. 6 of one, half 12 the other. Is Christians who've had the rare education to understand doubt is central to faith are able to be reasoned with. Outside that, there's a reason the word "zealot" exists. Regardless, it all comes down to ideological fanaticism. It's pick your favorite flavor from there.
Exactly, and zealotry is by no means a preserve of people of faith/religious. Some of the most zealous I’ve ever spoken with have been “new atheists” the only intellectually honest stance is agnosticism afaic.
Wow. Nail on the fucking head
Two things: 1) Weird jump out point and 2) if intersectionality is my religion, can I please have tax exempt status?
is this one of those Prager University people mad because intersectionality has showed the shortcomings of the status quo?
WTF are they talking about 🤣🤣
Just curious - this is three white males critiquing a concept articulated by a black woman? A concept that is about dismantling racism, sexism,ableism etc?
Well, that's pretty racist and sexist to focus on immutable biological characteristics instead of thei content of their argument. You also appear to be either unaware or conveniently ignoring the fact that when they wrote their test (aka "hoax") papers, they used many different identities. And all were regarded as "excellent scholarship" by the publications review their work. So, yes, they're absolutely fully qualified. They studied, learned, understood and successfully replicated the (broken) process of critical theory and the way it is smuggled ("idea laundered") into culture. They, and Helen Pluckrose, are pretty much the recognized experts in the subject.
What, exactly, are your qualifications? #DunningKruger
When you totally know what words mean no really stop laughing guys...
I am pro crispr
Three straight white guys in a room discussing why they can't "make fun of" or "question" that race, gender, and sexuality play roles in inequality that may intersect and be felt differently by different people. This is idiotic at best. Intersectionality is widely accepted by experts, _including_ _conservatives_ , and can be seen plainly in our existing power dynamics and structures. It's _existence_ isn't up for debate any more than gravity is. That ship has sailed. The point of contention is how does acknowledging its existence inform our policies, practices, etc (if at all) to create a more egalitarian system.
Okay cult member
Problem is they don't want egalitarianism. They want reversal of power, reversal of heirarchy.
christians bb we comin up by that i mean real open minded considerate people
Kevin Santillan there's nothing open minded about asserting one book is the "unalterable" and sacred "revelation of a perfect god" with no evidence whatsoever.
There's nothing considered about outsourcing your worldview, especially to regular flawed men who read a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of an internally-conflicted doctrine, and then insisting there's burning *forever* waiting for those who won't contort reason to believe it as well.
Considerate pah....whatever you say, just keep away from my foreskin, my scientific progress and my free speech. I know what christian consideration gets you when it's allowed to unchallenged power.
"they have studies, and a body of knowledge... it's not just faith" ... don't trust the studies guys, trust us.
I think they showed just how much we should trust these studies by getting their prank studies published in the same journals. It's pretty clear their standards for publication aren't particularly stringent.
@El ElEl wow, that original comment went over your head huh? Totally missed the point.
These are garbage takes.