As someone who read the book on recommendation, I will say Colleen Hoover is an excellent writer. She evokes such strong emotions in me, and I must thank her for that. Never have I ever wanted to burn a book more than when I read... that thing.
If you read her other books, you probably agree with fans. Cause the others just... Skip just skip it. Many of her books like other romance book that look like have same template. Extremely handsome. Good body. Etc
the same thing with "cuties" by netflix, which was originally named "miginonnes" and had a much more tame poster than the one we know and hate today. wtf
My mother was in an abusive relationship with my father, and never left him. They were seperated by death. And people asking things like 'why did you stay in an abusive relationship?" Simple question- you still love them. Colleen wrote Ryle as a man who was honesly a decent guy until he hit Lilly. That's it. Versus in real life, instead of seeing a man who hit her-- my mother was in love with the man she first met. It didn't make sense in It ends with us- there needed to be signs of abuse and there weren't. Not only did Colleen write a terrible novel, but she portrayed physically abusive relationships TERRIBLY. Colleen should have had knowledge, and known what she was writing about. And even if she did, abuse isn't something to potray as a romance novel.
As someone who stayed in an abusive marriage far too long, I find it really painful when I hear people say things like "no one understands why women stay in abusive relationships. It's unfathomable." What do you mean it's unfathomable? It was my life! Why is my experience so hard to empathise with? Why do people have to write controversial books for people to have a glimpse into understanding? Can't you hold my hand and hear me say that I experienced it, that I'm a real person with real feelings and that this could happen to anyone?
Sadly, I think a lot of people either have to have found themselves in an abusive relationship (particularly when they always thought it could never happen to them 🙋♀️) or have had to invest time into studying the cycle of abuse to understand. I’m so glad you’re on the road to healing now, friend. Hopefully more will find understanding without living it.
@@solarydays Thinking you're smart enough to avoid being taken advantage of is one of the warning signs you'll be taken advantage of. Listen to your last sentence and then reread your second sentence--it's difficult to make people see things they don't believe in, such as red flags in someone they want.
It's the same as me when i was hearing "Fifty Shades!" "Fifty Shades!" everywhere and then i read the first page and went.... "this is the book everyone's going crazy over???? ITS GARBAGE!"
What I find very disturbing is that 50 shades and other "dark romance" novels sell and romanticize manipulative men. They make women believe that the bad boys will change with enough love. But "my dark Vqnessa" tells the truth how these stories end and is by far not that popular
@@Simpleandslowlivingmy mother is currently reading this book! She has good taste in books and i am sure it's better than whatever Coleen is trying to achieve
“Because if its not a love story… then what is it?” I’m literally sobbing bro, the red balloon is an incredible way to approach it, I feel so genuinely sorrowful for Vanessa and I’ve only known of her snippets of minutes :(
My Dark Vanessa makes me think of myself. My dad had started getting severely ill at 12, and a teacher at my junior school proceeded to groom me. He made it seem like i was the one in control, and how my body distracted him. He would make me feel like the only girl in a class full of my peers. I only realised at 21 how horrible it was. Vanessa needed to be protected 💔. This is why books like It Ends With Us feel so harmful to young girls and women and how they can rationalise terrible people and acts when they don't acknowledge the harm of the behaviours.
I don’t like most booktok commentary videos because they an echo of the same thing. “It’s awfully written, it’s cringy and it has the most diabolical thing I have read.” But it doesn’t dig further into why that is so I really enjoyed this one.
I read “Verity” by her when it was first released. I was visiting my sister and my 15 year old niece recommended I read it because according to her, “It was the best thriller mystery novel she'd ever read”. Sitcom laughter noises to that comment. I have no idea why a 15 year old should be reading a book like that but, I decided not to pry. A year later, I was at a bookshop and one of the workers there recommended this book to me. This absolute lowest piece of mankinds thoughts put into paper. The thought that a demographic of teens are growing up reading such works just... appalls me. These are the same teens who'd read Wuthering Heights and think it's a romance novel. Who'd sympathize with and see Hannibal Lectre as a role model. These are the same people who read Lolita and try to defend the actions of Humbert. It's horrible to say the least.
@@aychazyt6987 well cause most people read it as kind of a romance/revenge story. I don't think it's meant to be read like that. You won't get the sense of satisfaction from it as The Count of Monte Cristo. You gotta read it as a tragedy. When I read this, the decisions, the motivations behind those decisions felt...almost realistic.
@@katsuo3228 that's kinda why I hate it ig. Both the main characters are so toxic and cruel and all the good people in their lives have to suffer for it. That made me wanna smack the both of them lol. Also I don't see how it's a tragedy considering most tragedies go from "good & normal" to "everyone's dead". To me, it was more like a story that explores how cruel and sadistic people can be. Plus the ending doesn't feel all that tragic to me tbh
@@aychazyt6987 they were meant to be toxic though. And it doesn't romanticize their toxicity. Catherine Earnshaw suffered mentally till her death due to the decisions she made and Heathcliffe literally went insane due to his obsessive love towards Catherine. And then many people suffering throughout their lives all due to some misunderstanding, ill-made decisions and too much emotion towards someone leading to insanity, felt tragic to me. Ending is something I didn't like either at first but then I thought, after what those kids went through, they deserve it.
See thats the thing. The book isn't even bad. It's the romanticizing of ryle that is bad. Colleen wrote the book to make people get out of toxic relationships. But the young girlies are just finding ryle hot and defending him (I know some). I don't think that adding smut in this book was a good idea
@@zyrevelvrein2388 And of course she wrote it as something that sexually turns the audience on. Some people don't know how to write disgusting things or either they are turned on by what they went through without even realizing. Eventually they didn't went through it and just wrote it sexualizing it because they can't just relate to people who went through it. And so they write it while unintentionally sexualizing the serious subject because they let their fantasy carry them a little too much. Mostly seen with people who are less emphatic as children and teenagers. Hence why abusive relationship fantasy is seen as "hot" among younger female audience.
This video is pure art. The way you decided to talk about a serious topic that needs to be talked about, in a beautiful way without losing the important point or falling into any wrong idea. I love how you used the passages of Vanessa in relation with the whole thing.
Y'know I kinda wonder if Colleen Hoover romanticises abusive relationships because of her upbringing and thinking as a kid that was what romance was and brought it into adulthood and her books. just food for thought
This is an absolutely amazing video. You make art with this medium and it makes me feel and think about just as much as the source material, if not more. Thank you for sharing.
I was recommended this book by a classmate. I was complaining to her that how in so many books the girls choose to stay with their abusive partners and I am just left screaming at the woman to see the truth that I can so painfully see. She said I should read this book. So, I picked it up. I admit I was told Ryle is not to be trusted. So, I did not. But, I question myself if I hadn't known would I have liked him? Would I have fallen for him? Would I be like many who praised him only to say well, he had to be bad for collen hoover to prove a point? I think after much deliberation the answer is I would have been fooled and then devastated by the character that Ryle was. Not because I would have glazed over the many awful things he does but because of what Lily and I both wanted. A love story. A happily Ever After. A belief that he could be what he should be. And, when the first slap had ringed, I think the silence would have too deafening. Because again, "How can he slap her?" As a woman, I do not know how men work. I have never known, So, I always tried to understand and ask myself one thing; Do I deserve this? Does any other woman deserve this? If the answer is no than it does not matter that it could have been a love story or that his life was destroyed. What matters is that he dared to do something bad. Honestly, I did not understand this hate for Collen Hoover, I thought she did a brave thing writing a book on an important topic. But, I did not know that she romanticized the Ryle that vile. I haven't read any of her other books. I did not think I'd like them, But, I did not think she supported abuse. At least I was happy not knowing that, now that I do she is another person I do not know but maybe dislike. How weird is internet, it is so easy to find people who we can dislike rather than like.
The writing in the book is such that it portrays Ryle's horrible behaviour in a romantic way when that kind of behaviour shouldn't be considered romantic in the first place. I don't think Colleen Hoover is a horrible person or that she supports abuse, I would never know that, but she is a terrible writer which can be harmful and detrimental.
honestly even if you genuinely believe this book is good and doesnt glorify abuse, just look at verity, or literally any of her other famous books. all of them have abusive main characters, and none of these male characters are ever portrayed in a negative light. its always supposed to be “hot” that theyre controlling and horrible people. plus, you claim she did a “brave thing” but that wasnt her intention at all. she may have accidentally written a single good point in her horrible book, but the entire rest of the book she intended for Ryle to be a positive character. she intended this despite his actions, even at the beginning where he wasnt a good person. Honestly i think you should read some of her other books, because so many of her male leads follow the trend of being generally bad people, one of them even rapes the female lead though i dont remember which book that was. and none of this behavior is ever treated as negative or wrong. its fine to have characters who arent inherently good but never acknowledging that they arent good people is what ends up glorifying abuse, which is exactly what colleen hoovers books do. its made worse considering that her audience is mostly impressionable teenage girls who could start believing that this abuse is in fact romantic
your coverage of my dark vanessa was really beautifully done👏 i haven’t brought myself to read it yet because lolita was extremely difficult to get through but your commentary was very well framed
I was looking for a video to work on my uni tests, the title was funny, and the memes were funny, but believe me when I say the ending FUCKED ME UP, like I straight up stop working and just stared at the screen for a few minutes bcs I was not expecting so much emotion, it was amazing
My mother and grandmother both love Colleen Hoover books, and they cannot understand why I hate them so much. Somebody said that Colleen Hoover books are for women who never got to read Ao3 fan fiction in middle school and I agree.
I'm speechless, the way you presented this heavy topic in a consise way like this is incredible. I've never seen a book commentary so well made, one that isn't just criticising but actually showing why it is bad by comparison, it's super effective. Also your voice is really soothing
This hit me in a way I didn't even know I could be. Just...wow. I don't need to be told why women stay in abusive relationships, I've been there, and I think all it really takes is some empathy and self awareness to understand it otherwise. And yet, your delivery of Vanessa's story...I *felt* that, in all it's heartbreaking and despairing intensity. You took me from a place of detached curiosity to immersed responsiveness, and that deserves recognition. Nevermind this misguided and irresponsible attempt by Colleen, you managed to convey it in a way I don't think text alone could. You took Elizabeth's work and channeled the soul it was made with.
i feel like coho should stick to writing thriller horror novels with teenage girls as the protagonists. i know the ellen letters are cringe but to be honest i felt like her writing was at its best during those parts since it delves into that teenage mental process pretty well. not understanding why her mother just wouldn't leave because her father is an abusive piece of shit, yet also longing for those fleeting moments when her father can actually fulfill his role as a good parent and husband. it was surprisingly nuanced and tense at points, even with the simplistic writing. now if only she wasn't addressing them to ellen out of all people, and all the other horrid flaws of this book...
Absolutely outstanding and an instant subscription. Holy hell, your voice for narrating, along with voice acting, is absolutely impeccable and packs so much emotion. I wasn’t expecting this much of an in depth video from the title alone, but I’m so so glad I clicked on it. One of my new favorite videos. Fantastic job 🫶
12:33 facts. I haven’t read any of her books I am pretty much shocked about this story what on earth was on her mind to write such a story It’s like she is “romanticised” this kind of relationships Which is absolutely wrong and nonsense
...She outright says what was on her mind, she wanted to write a story about how women stay in abusive relationships. Romanticizing abusive relationships is part of abuse and makes sense for a book about an abusive relationship. That's not the problem with a badly written book.
@@cam4636 you do have a point but still my mind can’t accept such a stories to be published because many girls may start romanticize this kind of things
@@cam4636 Honestly that feels like an excuse. The writing is not good and self aware enough to portray that part of an abusive relationship, it's clearly sold as a romantic story and many fans see it as such so 🤷
I think this is one of the best video essay I've seen. It's just amazing. Your voice, the question you asking, the quotes...All this things are ideal for a really serious themat, altough you handled this problem so incredibly. Once again, I LOVE your voice and sure it's gonna be one of my favourites video. Thank you !! :3
I'm only on the beginning of the video and omg, your editing and comedic timing are 10/10! I already want to subscribe lol but gonna wait to watch the whole thing
I read a book that infuriated me once, because the main character shared a name with me. (My dead name, and no, I’m not telling) It’s hard to imagine another book provoking the same rage THAT particular book did. It was riddled with typos, had far too many moments where the characters emotional states were going in circles and not making any real growth, repeated sexual abuse that was NOT warned about, premises and a world that was not fully exploited, and on top of all that- the most disappointing, undeserved, and unsatisfying ending I have ever suffered through. Somehow, someway, I think Colleen Hoover’s books would make me angrier.
the sad thing is that this could have been a good book. colleen could have written a story criticizing the culture that romanticizes abusive behavior from men, for young girls and teaches them accept it as normal or even passionate as well as showing where those romanticized red flags actually lead in a relationship. instead she wrote the very thing she could have brilliantly satirized.
Actually...I clicked on this video because it started to autoplay and then Caleb Joseph showed up. And I was like "I AM SAT". The editing of this is IMPECCABLE.
This is so good, so so so so so so so gooooooood I'm screaming giggling kicking my feet in the air cackling crying throwing up. Thanks, I hate it. Subscribed. I hope you get more popular so many more people get destroyed by your writing :)
I don’t know. I haven’t really read the book or seen the movie. I’m looking at reviews to see whether it’s worth it or not. All I see is people say it romanticizes abuse, but I’m never really shown how. Shouldn’t it be the reader’s job to understand that an abusive relationship is something not to be romanticized? I don’t think it’s the author’s responsibility to spell it out for anyone. Like that book you quoted on the second half of the video. It’s beautifully written but it’s spelling it out for you that what happened to her was a bad thing. And even more, that she was inhuman and erased when it happened to her…I personally don’t find that relatable. I never felt inhuman after my SA. Never felt erased. It never felt like that. I don’t know I mean I’m not disagreeing that it’s probably a bad book but I still am yet to be convinced because simply stating “she romanticizes the abuser!” just isn’t enough for me. Is she romanticizing the abuse or is she portraying a woman that is so blinded and manipulated that she, the character, can’t help but romanticize the abuse? ‘Cause there’s a difference and it matters and that’s what I want to know.
I'm pretty sure Hoover is trying to portray the MC as being so traumatized that she stays with her abuser, but she does a terrible job at it, so it just comes off as romanticizing abuse.
This is first time I watch your video and I must say that you are incredibly talented, you have mesmerising voice, music and paintings create amazing background, for a long time I don't see such a interesting video, not only wise but also beautiful. Great job ❤
I really like how you impressed upon viewers the gravity of the topic by using atmospheric elements like memes at the start to end with a sombre piano piece and a powerful quote, as the review turned from slight mockery to deeper dive on the subject matter. Thanks to algorithm for rec-ing this. Your review was art on its own, well researched and presented!
I stumbled along this video and man, I’m so glad I did. You speak so eloquently and I was enraptured for the entirety of the video. I had to subscribe immediately! ❤
I won't drag this on as i am sure other people in the comments have done a much better job than i will ever be able to do. This is an absolute masterpiece of a video, thank you so much.
Goodreads might have brain damage. How does Colleen Hoover get popular, yet these same readers have never even glanced at a page from a Pessoa book in their lives? How is House of Leaves rated lower than this? Am I being gaslit by TikTok zoomers? What is going on here???
Funny thing is I actually had the idea about writing a story about a teenage girl who is groomed by her teacher, but she thinks it's just a forbidden romance until she grows up and realizes what actually happened. Then I found out it already exists, and it's called "My Dark Vanessa." Great minds think alike, I guess.
Imma be real....you just managed to make me go on 6 different 5 hours videos on good and bad essays on representation of abuse and things on writing just for me to correctly write my stories All and all GREAT VIDEO KEEP UP 💯
if you want a story like my dark vanessa but romanticises another abuser , there is a much worse story than it ends with us called cry or better yet beg , the female lead and male lead story first meeting when she is 12 and he is 18 , then the events begins when she is 18 and he is 24 , the guy is a groomer on my opinion and he cheats on his fiance , btw his fiance's personality and the side characters are much better than the main ones , this story is awful believe me
“ Cry or better yet beg” is so traumatizing 😭 I wish she could have been with the blonde boy from her school that also liked her 😢💔 the birds in the forest & glasses scene were both too much for me personally
@@SailorSaiyan9000 i think there are much better manhwas for this troupe like betrayal of dignity , but honestly the author stories are too much , things are worse in the novel , spoilers claudine the fiance and the extra characters are tortured for the sake of the awful main story , i really hated how they made the only guy that liked claudine got killed , the author could have written him as not her cousin if i remember correctly or just left her alone , she already got cheated on , also i really really hated the age gap between the leads , most the meetings between the leads are too much or stupid like the birds scene , the fl and ml , even the fl uncle and second ml had some irritating personalities to me , the side characters were better , the villainess or second fl claudine had a better stronger personality , the author tried to sugarcoat the cheating by making it seem like the fiance choose position over love and then oh she got a bad ending but the story overall like many manhwas had tons of internalised misogyny in my opinion with bad writing and awful scenes , the spoilers of the novel are really awful , the grooming part in my opinion was really bad too , this is not the type of story where they meet when the fl is young , the author's other two stories the problematic prince and bastian also have some rich women torture by the plot too in my opinion
you have one hell of a brain
words from one hell of a brain.
What a world full of billions of hell of a brains
Greatest comment ever
My brain is in hell.
pinned? well that's telling
As someone who read the book on recommendation, I will say Colleen Hoover is an excellent writer. She evokes such strong emotions in me, and I must thank her for that. Never have I ever wanted to burn a book more than when I read... that thing.
Bro you had me in the first half
She at least can do this you're right 😂 evokes more emotions than my writing
preach
😂😂 you had me ngl
if i say there is a much much worse worse uthor that made me so raged more than coho
I heard some fans of her saying this book is her best work. What a world to live in
It might be her best work, doesn´t mean it´s good, tho
@@anaovelho6228yep, best is subjective ya see, best of trash is still trash, just less of a flaming dumpster fire than the others
Ugly love is apparently worse😭 I’ve never read anything by Colleen Hoover 😅
If you read her other books, you probably agree with fans. Cause the others just... Skip just skip it. Many of her books like other romance book that look like have same template. Extremely handsome. Good body. Etc
My classmates say "It's Peak Romance".
It's amazing how many people miss the point of "Lolita".
Which is concerning and dissapoiting
Chalk it down to terrible media literacy paired with an unrealiable narrator.
(Edit: and sometimes, AWFUL lifeviews too...)
the same thing with "cuties" by netflix, which was originally named "miginonnes" and had a much more tame poster than the one we know and hate today. wtf
it doesnt help the marketing for it (book covers, movies etc.) all horrifically misportray it against vladimir nobokovs wishes.
@@cubee4108 even how they shot the scenes too. Have they not zoomed into their....
My mother was in an abusive relationship with my father, and never left him. They were seperated by death. And people asking things like 'why did you stay in an abusive relationship?"
Simple question- you still love them.
Colleen wrote Ryle as a man who was honesly a decent guy until he hit Lilly. That's it.
Versus in real life, instead of seeing a man who hit her-- my mother was in love with the man she first met. It didn't make sense in It ends with us- there needed to be signs of abuse and there weren't. Not only did Colleen write a terrible novel, but she portrayed physically abusive relationships TERRIBLY. Colleen should have had knowledge, and known what she was writing about. And even if she did, abuse isn't something to potray as a romance novel.
Thats the point🙂
@@nasrin5713 Point of the book?
Where's the decent part?
@@beetle149 there was no decent part in it ends with us, it was terrible.
@@Maddyflx My bad, I replied to the wrong comment
As someone who stayed in an abusive marriage far too long, I find it really painful when I hear people say things like "no one understands why women stay in abusive relationships. It's unfathomable."
What do you mean it's unfathomable? It was my life! Why is my experience so hard to empathise with? Why do people have to write controversial books for people to have a glimpse into understanding? Can't you hold my hand and hear me say that I experienced it, that I'm a real person with real feelings and that this could happen to anyone?
Sadly, I think a lot of people either have to have found themselves in an abusive relationship (particularly when they always thought it could never happen to them 🙋♀️) or have had to invest time into studying the cycle of abuse to understand.
I’m so glad you’re on the road to healing now, friend. Hopefully more will find understanding without living it.
@@solarydays Thinking you're smart enough to avoid being taken advantage of is one of the warning signs you'll be taken advantage of. Listen to your last sentence and then reread your second sentence--it's difficult to make people see things they don't believe in, such as red flags in someone they want.
@@cam4636you can’t be taken advantage of if you don’t even trust anyone to begin with (but then you are filled with anxiety which is also a problem)
People can empathise and feel sorry for, but not understand.
@@cam4636she didn’t say she’s too smart, she just pointed out the inaccuracy of the statement it can happen to anyone
It's the same as me when i was hearing "Fifty Shades!" "Fifty Shades!" everywhere and then i read the first page and went.... "this is the book everyone's going crazy over???? ITS GARBAGE!"
What I find very disturbing is that 50 shades and other "dark romance" novels sell and romanticize manipulative men. They make women believe that the bad boys will change with enough love.
But "my dark Vqnessa" tells the truth how these stories end and is by far not that popular
@@Simpleandslowlivingmy mother is currently reading this book! She has good taste in books and i am sure it's better than whatever Coleen is trying to achieve
“Wow…this is garbage. You actually like this?” - Gru
Twilight too man
“Because if its not a love story… then what is it?” I’m literally sobbing bro, the red balloon is an incredible way to approach it, I feel so genuinely sorrowful for Vanessa and I’ve only known of her snippets of minutes :(
My Dark Vanessa makes me think of myself. My dad had started getting severely ill at 12, and a teacher at my junior school proceeded to groom me. He made it seem like i was the one in control, and how my body distracted him. He would make me feel like the only girl in a class full of my peers. I only realised at 21 how horrible it was. Vanessa needed to be protected 💔. This is why books like It Ends With Us feel so harmful to young girls and women and how they can rationalise terrible people and acts when they don't acknowledge the harm of the behaviours.
I don’t like most booktok commentary videos because they an echo of the same thing. “It’s awfully written, it’s cringy and it has the most diabolical thing I have read.” But it doesn’t dig further into why that is so I really enjoyed this one.
I read “Verity” by her when it was first released. I was visiting my sister and my 15 year old niece recommended I read it because according to her, “It was the best thriller mystery novel she'd ever read”. Sitcom laughter noises to that comment. I have no idea why a 15 year old should be reading a book like that but, I decided not to pry.
A year later, I was at a bookshop and one of the workers there recommended this book to me. This absolute lowest piece of mankinds thoughts put into paper.
The thought that a demographic of teens are growing up reading such works just... appalls me. These are the same teens who'd read Wuthering Heights and think it's a romance novel. Who'd sympathize with and see Hannibal Lectre as a role model. These are the same people who read Lolita and try to defend the actions of Humbert. It's horrible to say the least.
Lmao same, it's currently the only book I wanna sell/give away in my shelf. At least hannibal had the decency not to have teenagers romanticise abuse.
Oh not wuthering heights..that shit made me hate women-written novels for some reason
@@aychazyt6987 well cause most people read it as kind of a romance/revenge story. I don't think it's meant to be read like that. You won't get the sense of satisfaction from it as The Count of Monte Cristo. You gotta read it as a tragedy. When I read this, the decisions, the motivations behind those decisions felt...almost realistic.
@@katsuo3228 that's kinda why I hate it ig. Both the main characters are so toxic and cruel and all the good people in their lives have to suffer for it. That made me wanna smack the both of them lol. Also I don't see how it's a tragedy considering most tragedies go from "good & normal" to "everyone's dead". To me, it was more like a story that explores how cruel and sadistic people can be. Plus the ending doesn't feel all that tragic to me tbh
@@aychazyt6987 they were meant to be toxic though. And it doesn't romanticize their toxicity. Catherine Earnshaw suffered mentally till her death due to the decisions she made and Heathcliffe literally went insane due to his obsessive love towards Catherine. And then many people suffering throughout their lives all due to some misunderstanding, ill-made decisions and too much emotion towards someone leading to insanity, felt tragic to me. Ending is something I didn't like either at first but then I thought, after what those kids went through, they deserve it.
Colleen hoover is going places. Not nice places. But places.
And her fans need a therapist if they think any of this is romantic
See thats the thing. The book isn't even bad. It's the romanticizing of ryle that is bad. Colleen wrote the book to make people get out of toxic relationships. But the young girlies are just finding ryle hot and defending him (I know some). I don't think that adding smut in this book was a good idea
Yup, it is not a good idea. Unless it was clearly written to give the reader a strong sense of disgust and revulsion
Women have weird taste
@@zyrevelvrein2388 And of course she wrote it as something that sexually turns the audience on.
Some people don't know how to write disgusting things or either they are turned on by what they went through without even realizing.
Eventually they didn't went through it and just wrote it sexualizing it because they can't just relate to people who went through it.
And so they write it while unintentionally sexualizing the serious subject because they let their fantasy carry them a little too much.
Mostly seen with people who are less emphatic as children and teenagers.
Hence why abusive relationship fantasy is seen as "hot" among younger female audience.
This video is pure art. The way you decided to talk about a serious topic that needs to be talked about, in a beautiful way without losing the important point or falling into any wrong idea. I love how you used the passages of Vanessa in relation with the whole thing.
As a DV and SA survivor, this video hit hard. But it's an important video for people to watch imo.
I'm blown away. This was so well written, so well crafted. How haven't I discovered you before? I had to subscribe.
Y'know I kinda wonder if Colleen Hoover romanticises abusive relationships because of her upbringing and thinking as a kid that was what romance was and brought it into adulthood and her books. just food for thought
This is an absolutely amazing video. You make art with this medium and it makes me feel and think about just as much as the source material, if not more. Thank you for sharing.
you are so sweet. thank you
I was recommended this book by a classmate. I was complaining to her that how in so many books the girls choose to stay with their abusive partners and I am just left screaming at the woman to see the truth that I can so painfully see. She said I should read this book.
So, I picked it up. I admit I was told Ryle is not to be trusted. So, I did not. But, I question myself if I hadn't known would I have liked him? Would I have fallen for him? Would I be like many who praised him only to say well, he had to be bad for collen hoover to prove a point? I think after much deliberation the answer is I would have been fooled and then devastated by the character that Ryle was. Not because I would have glazed over the many awful things he does but because of what Lily and I both wanted. A love story. A happily Ever After. A belief that he could be what he should be. And, when the first slap had ringed, I think the silence would have too deafening. Because again, "How can he slap her?"
As a woman, I do not know how men work. I have never known, So, I always tried to understand and ask myself one thing; Do I deserve this? Does any other woman deserve this? If the answer is no than it does not matter that it could have been a love story or that his life was destroyed. What matters is that he dared to do something bad.
Honestly, I did not understand this hate for Collen Hoover, I thought she did a brave thing writing a book on an important topic. But, I did not know that she romanticized the Ryle that vile. I haven't read any of her other books. I did not think I'd like them, But, I did not think she supported abuse. At least I was happy not knowing that, now that I do she is another person I do not know but maybe dislike. How weird is internet, it is so easy to find people who we can dislike rather than like.
The writing in the book is such that it portrays Ryle's horrible behaviour in a romantic way when that kind of behaviour shouldn't be considered romantic in the first place. I don't think Colleen Hoover is a horrible person or that she supports abuse, I would never know that, but she is a terrible writer which can be harmful and detrimental.
honestly even if you genuinely believe this book is good and doesnt glorify abuse, just look at verity, or literally any of her other famous books. all of them have abusive main characters, and none of these male characters are ever portrayed in a negative light. its always supposed to be “hot” that theyre controlling and horrible people. plus, you claim she did a “brave thing” but that wasnt her intention at all. she may have accidentally written a single good point in her horrible book, but the entire rest of the book she intended for Ryle to be a positive character. she intended this despite his actions, even at the beginning where he wasnt a good person. Honestly i think you should read some of her other books, because so many of her male leads follow the trend of being generally bad people, one of them even rapes the female lead though i dont remember which book that was. and none of this behavior is ever treated as negative or wrong. its fine to have characters who arent inherently good but never acknowledging that they arent good people is what ends up glorifying abuse, which is exactly what colleen hoovers books do. its made worse considering that her audience is mostly impressionable teenage girls who could start believing that this abuse is in fact romantic
This video and your account need so much more recognition. You write and present this topic with such talent.. this needs to go viral 100%
Thank you 🖤
words can't do justice to how much each and every word in this video touched my heart.
your coverage of my dark vanessa was really beautifully done👏 i haven’t brought myself to read it yet because lolita was extremely difficult to get through but your commentary was very well framed
Pressing replay after that emotional ending was a jump scare.
I was looking for a video to work on my uni tests, the title was funny, and the memes were funny, but believe me when I say the ending FUCKED ME UP, like I straight up stop working and just stared at the screen for a few minutes bcs I was not expecting so much emotion, it was amazing
My mother and grandmother both love Colleen Hoover books, and they cannot understand why I hate them so much. Somebody said that Colleen Hoover books are for women who never got to read Ao3 fan fiction in middle school and I agree.
I am crying and enraged. You have one of the most expressive voices and excellent narration✨
I'm speechless, the way you presented this heavy topic in a consise way like this is incredible. I've never seen a book commentary so well made, one that isn't just criticising but actually showing why it is bad by comparison, it's super effective. Also your voice is really soothing
This hit me in a way I didn't even know I could be. Just...wow. I don't need to be told why women stay in abusive relationships, I've been there, and I think all it really takes is some empathy and self awareness to understand it otherwise. And yet, your delivery of Vanessa's story...I *felt* that, in all it's heartbreaking and despairing intensity. You took me from a place of detached curiosity to immersed responsiveness, and that deserves recognition. Nevermind this misguided and irresponsible attempt by Colleen, you managed to convey it in a way I don't think text alone could. You took Elizabeth's work and channeled the soul it was made with.
Holy shit i was not ready for this 7 in the morning. Thought it's some funny rant video with funny meme cutaways but goddamnnn
If yall didn’t know one of her books is getting turned INTO A MOVIE😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
colleen hoover really needs to sort her shit out
Shit talking Colleen Hoover with friends any time we see a book of hers in a bookstore has become one of my favourite pastimes honestly
i feel like coho should stick to writing thriller horror novels with teenage girls as the protagonists. i know the ellen letters are cringe but to be honest i felt like her writing was at its best during those parts since it delves into that teenage mental process pretty well. not understanding why her mother just wouldn't leave because her father is an abusive piece of shit, yet also longing for those fleeting moments when her father can actually fulfill his role as a good parent and husband. it was surprisingly nuanced and tense at points, even with the simplistic writing. now if only she wasn't addressing them to ellen out of all people, and all the other horrid flaws of this book...
she can go ahead and make a wattpad account. we don't need published books of this sort
can't believe one of my classmates like this book. she even went to a tangent on how this book is about love and empowerment 💀
The striking difference between the way you spoke and what you presented of My Dark Vanessa and It Ends with Us is...
5:47 girl, the rajpal yadav meme cracked me up so bad 😭😭
Same💀
"My dark Vanessa" - wow! I haven't heard of that book but i have a feeling i really want to read it.
Is this novel denouncing the acceptance of abus3 so many women learn in their childhood or is it celebrating it?
✨the novel doesn't know what it's doing✨
well without knowing about her other books i'd tell you "she's showing the way women think in those abusive relationships", after though..
Absolutely outstanding and an instant subscription. Holy hell, your voice for narrating, along with voice acting, is absolutely impeccable and packs so much emotion. I wasn’t expecting this much of an in depth video from the title alone, but I’m so so glad I clicked on it. One of my new favorite videos. Fantastic job 🫶
well I was curious about this book , i love your interpretation and now I am curious about Dark Vanessa
Would highly recommend My Dark Venessa, although there might be some trigger warnings that you have to check.
@@pi-eo1xu I have watched a lot of psycho related anime so I might enjoy this one.Although I am a new reader in case of books I appreciate the advice😅
GIRL i was moved by your words and your shaken voice, you made me go back to a dark experience in my childhood and i cried
I normally don't comment or click off videos before the 30 second mark but I realized anyone who read this screed needs all the help they can get
Coleen Hoover writes some pretty cursed stuff over all tbh. Makes me worried for people who really like it.
I am so happy these books aren't sold basically at all where i live jesus christ tf you mean there is INCEST?
Im starting to see a pattern of coleen hoover books being popular in countries with high domestic violence and i wish to unsee that now
12:33 facts. I haven’t read any of her books
I am pretty much shocked about this story what on earth was on her mind to write such a story
It’s like she is “romanticised” this kind of relationships
Which is absolutely wrong and nonsense
...She outright says what was on her mind, she wanted to write a story about how women stay in abusive relationships. Romanticizing abusive relationships is part of abuse and makes sense for a book about an abusive relationship. That's not the problem with a badly written book.
@@cam4636 you do have a point but still my mind can’t accept such a stories to be published because many girls may start romanticize this kind of things
@@0Catbee This, and the thing is that the autor isn't correcting them like idk Nabokov when people romanticize lolita
@@cam4636 Honestly that feels like an excuse. The writing is not good and self aware enough to portray that part of an abusive relationship, it's clearly sold as a romantic story and many fans see it as such so 🤷
Your writing is my favorite on the platform
And combined with that music... I'm breathless
I think this is one of the best video essay I've seen. It's just amazing. Your voice, the question you asking, the quotes...All this things are ideal for a really serious themat, altough you handled this problem so incredibly. Once again, I LOVE your voice and sure it's gonna be one of my favourites video. Thank you !! :3
its becoming a movie btw
I'm only on the beginning of the video and omg, your editing and comedic timing are 10/10! I already want to subscribe lol but gonna wait to watch the whole thing
Really good video, your tone really carries emotion and made me get goosebumps. Wish I discovered your channel earlier keep up the good work 👍
I read a book that infuriated me once, because the main character shared a name with me. (My dead name, and no, I’m not telling) It’s hard to imagine another book provoking the same rage THAT particular book did. It was riddled with typos, had far too many moments where the characters emotional states were going in circles and not making any real growth, repeated sexual abuse that was NOT warned about, premises and a world that was not fully exploited, and on top of all that- the most disappointing, undeserved, and unsatisfying ending I have ever suffered through.
Somehow, someway, I think Colleen Hoover’s books would make me angrier.
holy crap this was an experience 😭 i really enjoyed watching this!
the sad thing is that this could have been a good book. colleen could have written a story criticizing the culture that romanticizes abusive behavior from men, for young girls and teaches them accept it as normal or even passionate as well as showing where those romanticized red flags actually lead in a relationship. instead she wrote the very thing she could have brilliantly satirized.
This has been one of the best videos on books I have ever watched! Your voice really conveyed so much emotion! I loved this one.
I enjoyed your more dedicated analysis and your voice is easy to my ears.
Subscribing to your channel immediately.
So much emotion in your narration
19:10 the ending tho..
Actually...I clicked on this video because it started to autoplay and then Caleb Joseph showed up. And I was like "I AM SAT". The editing of this is IMPECCABLE.
this… is amazing. how are you so underrated?
Love the quality of the video and editing style
This is so good, so so so so so so so gooooooood I'm screaming giggling kicking my feet in the air cackling crying throwing up. Thanks, I hate it. Subscribed. I hope you get more popular so many more people get destroyed by your writing :)
I don’t know. I haven’t really read the book or seen the movie. I’m looking at reviews to see whether it’s worth it or not. All I see is people say it romanticizes abuse, but I’m never really shown how. Shouldn’t it be the reader’s job to understand that an abusive relationship is something not to be romanticized? I don’t think it’s the author’s responsibility to spell it out for anyone. Like that book you quoted on the second half of the video. It’s beautifully written but it’s spelling it out for you that what happened to her was a bad thing. And even more, that she was inhuman and erased when it happened to her…I personally don’t find that relatable. I never felt inhuman after my SA. Never felt erased. It never felt like that.
I don’t know I mean I’m not disagreeing that it’s probably a bad book but I still am yet to be convinced because simply stating “she romanticizes the abuser!” just isn’t enough for me. Is she romanticizing the abuse or is she portraying a woman that is so blinded and manipulated that she, the character, can’t help but romanticize the abuse? ‘Cause there’s a difference and it matters and that’s what I want to know.
I'll go read it and come back to answer. Dw, I'm a fast reader 😊
I'm pretty sure Hoover is trying to portray the MC as being so traumatized that she stays with her abuser, but she does a terrible job at it, so it just comes off as romanticizing abuse.
This is first time I watch your video and I must say that you are incredibly talented, you have mesmerising voice, music and paintings create amazing background, for a long time I don't see such a interesting video, not only wise but also beautiful. Great job ❤
So sad. I’m just so sad for girls and boys.
The story of dark vanessa is so sad, its so tragic
I really like how you impressed upon viewers the gravity of the topic by using atmospheric elements like memes at the start to end with a sombre piano piece and a powerful quote, as the review turned from slight mockery to deeper dive on the subject matter.
Thanks to algorithm for rec-ing this. Your review was art on its own, well researched and presented!
As someone who actually was abused, the excerpts alone were enough to trigger me. I’m so glad I haven’t read this book 😭 🤢
I entered this video to laugh at bad writing but the whole situation of the story is depressive, Am I the only one feeling this way?
The last segment is so well spoken...very emotional words 😢
I stumbled along this video and man, I’m so glad I did. You speak so eloquently and I was enraptured for the entirety of the video. I had to subscribe immediately! ❤
This has been a haunting watch, and one that made me unfortunately relate. Thank you.
I won't drag this on as i am sure other people in the comments have done a much better job than i will ever be able to do.
This is an absolute masterpiece of a video, thank you so much.
This was truly well made.
Excited to see more of your work.
Impressive narration
this video is the love of my life
They have one of her books in my school library
Goodreads might have brain damage. How does Colleen Hoover get popular, yet these same readers have never even glanced at a page from a Pessoa book in their lives? How is House of Leaves rated lower than this? Am I being gaslit by TikTok zoomers? What is going on here???
i thoroughly enjoyed watching this video you don't UNDERSTAND 😭
The reactions have me dying.
Pure entertainment.
Funny thing is I actually had the idea about writing a story about a teenage girl who is groomed by her teacher, but she thinks it's just a forbidden romance until she grows up and realizes what actually happened.
Then I found out it already exists, and it's called "My Dark Vanessa." Great minds think alike, I guess.
Videos like this are the reason why I believe that my short-temper ass will be the most calm husband in the future
the thumbnail is awesome, and the editing is awesome. :)
Imma be real....you just managed to make me go on 6 different 5 hours videos on good and bad essays on representation of abuse and things on writing just for me to correctly write my stories
All and all GREAT VIDEO KEEP UP 💯
God i love your videos! Great work!!
YOU OPENED WITH SOMETHING I HAD COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN ABOUT!? I hope this didn't make it into the movie T_T
if you want a story like my dark vanessa but romanticises another abuser , there is a much worse story than it ends with us called cry or better yet beg , the female lead and male lead story first meeting when she is 12 and he is 18 , then the events begins when she is 18 and he is 24 , the guy is a groomer on my opinion and he cheats on his fiance , btw his fiance's personality and the side characters are much better than the main ones , this story is awful believe me
“ Cry or better yet beg” is so traumatizing 😭 I wish she could have been with the blonde boy from her school that also liked her 😢💔 the birds in the forest & glasses scene were both too much for me personally
@@SailorSaiyan9000 i think there are much better manhwas for this troupe like betrayal of dignity , but honestly the author stories are too much , things are worse in the novel , spoilers claudine the fiance and the extra characters are tortured for the sake of the awful main story , i really hated how they made the only guy that liked claudine got killed , the author could have written him as not her cousin if i remember correctly or just left her alone , she already got cheated on , also i really really hated the age gap between the leads , most the meetings between the leads are too much or stupid like the birds scene , the fl and ml , even the fl uncle and second ml had some irritating personalities to me , the side characters were better , the villainess or second fl claudine had a better stronger personality , the author tried to sugarcoat the cheating by making it seem like the fiance choose position over love and then oh she got a bad ending but the story overall like many manhwas had tons of internalised misogyny in my opinion with bad writing and awful scenes , the spoilers of the novel are really awful , the grooming part in my opinion was really bad too , this is not the type of story where they meet when the fl is young , the author's other two stories the problematic prince and bastian also have some rich women torture by the plot too in my opinion
“You fell down the stairs.” in the thumbnail is crazy.
Hey this made me cry a little
Good video
Subbed and Im so happy I found you!
your channel is incredible. seriously.
my friend loves that book and she doesnt even like reading.. its rare for her to find a book shes actually gonna read fully 😿😟
i've recently started getting some book videos recommendation on youtube. i'm not complaining. ☺
My life ends at this
love you gurl, thanks for that music. peace.
I hate the idea of burning books, but I think we should make an exception here
Meme and literature, Perfect!
This is very funny while also being well worded
im so thankful to know i'm poor to a point i can'tt buy her book
well, dont know why youtube recommended me this, but because of you, i just bought My Dark Vanessa