yeah the solo movie was weird same last name but totally different back story we truly need a HAN solo movie not a random one where some solo guy fights in ww2
I love the Solo movie, it was very good IMO, I still don't consider it as canon, I prefer Han's origins from the EU novels. But Solo is a fun romp through the galaxy & it gets 5 stars from me. The worst parts of the movie though are that it's dark as shit & L3, but at least L3 is only in the film for ~25 minutes
Damn shame there was no mention of his arc from Legends and the meaning of it... In Legends, he was a guy who would try to keep his family together at all cost and to be there for his children, especially because he himself got very little parental love as a kid and he didn't want for the same to happen to his three kids...
@@shawnwolf5961 Sorry, but this is Thor's channel and there is plenty of Legends stuff here, so move along... or in other words, the "Canon" has no power here, Shawn the Wolf...
I hate that the sequels had C3PO say that he is looking at his friends... when they gave him crap the entire movie... Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie and R2 are his friends!
"I know" is the best line of romantic cinema, ad-libbed to show that a scoundrel has a heart, but still shows a soft side to a rough and tough character. Harrison Ford may not like being "typecast" as Han, but his character is more inspirational to men of GenX than Luke Skywalker is.
idk about that. If you can't be inspired by Luke's character, then why even watch Star Wars at all? Luke's story is incredibly inspiring! Han's overall story arch is GOOD, don't get me wrong, but Luke's is so much better. I think the poll results reflect that, too.
@@shawnwolf5961 I don't know that the poll really shows that. The poli showed, especially connection with the comments, how much the sequels and Solo dragged down a lot of people's opinion of him despite how good they thought he was originally. Still, while I do think that Luke is an inspiring character, lots of dudes who grew up with the old trilogy really found Han to be the most inspiring guy in the stories.
Thor, you should do a quick poll on what trilogy people like the most. It would be interesting to see if you have more of a prequel or original trilogy audience.
Pretty much spot on. About the "NO" moment from Darth Vader, that moment explains the character. It explains why he turned to the dark side and why he turned back to the light in the end. That moment makes clear his whys.
Can i just say in the german version he just screams. Yeah one of the few things german got better on Vader the English. (But i prefer the english form)
I spent many hours of my youth jumping over the arm of my parent's sofa, pretending I was blowing up the shield generator on the forest moon of Endor. Sure, it was nice to imagine what I would do if I had Force powers but Han was definitely the coolest of the OT characters.
@@CorporalLoth I'll agree TLJ and TROS are worse than TFA, but I still wasn't a huge fan of it. It did fine as a setup for the next two, but Rey was still a bit of a Mary Sue and I found a lot of the dialogue kinda cringey. Taken as a whole, the ST sucked
I'm part of the dwindling population that can remember the introduction of all these characters and how for a very brief time there was nothing else to accent, dilute or diminish them. No sequels, no EU, no prequels and no sequel trilogy. I remember first seeing Han in 1977 and right off the bat you're not sure if Obi wan and Luke can and should trust him. His negotiations with them revealed greed. His run-in with Greedo illustrated his ruthlessness. His philosophy toward life and the force showed his lack of a spiritual side. We get to the Deathstar we see Han's cunning and how he's flexible on his own boundaries as long as money is involved. Still at this point we the audience in '77 weren't sure we could or should trust him. He's working to save the princess and escape but 1/2 of that is for money and 1/2 is to save his own skin. By the time we get to Yavin there is both disappointment and affirmation. Disappointed he's bailing on the rebels after having seen all he has to offer. But affirming to see he is the scoundrel we took him for when we first saw him in the Cantina. That last minute reveal, one which lore later told us that Chewie was the one who persuaded Han to go back, that moment put Han squarely on the good guy side. It wasn't until then. The Special Edition ANH really ruined that arc. Han taking out Greedo without hesitation established that mystique and concern about Han. Without that it shifts Han more to the good guys early on. BUT in hindsight, for the all people born after 1997, they'll never get to experience that journey of discovering what kind of man Han truly is.
while I don't necessarily agree with this (and I am one of those born before 1997. Well before), it is an interesting take. I don't think that Han shooting Greedo last in the remaster does anything to his character, or how we view him. I say this, because it is very clear that Greedo was a big threat to Han in the original version. There is not a single, solitary doubt about it. So Han shooting him first is Han surviving. Han shooting him second, as in the remaster...still about Han surviving. Only, here he was at least willing to give Greedo a "shot" ahahaha (bad pun I know), but still also willing to kill him. It made the Greedo threat far less subtle, but doesn't really effect Han much, imo.
^^^^ Solo does far more damage to the character of Han than the Special Edition. Every significant event in Han's life happens in a week, and the movie presents him as a selfless hero right off the bat. He helps his girlfriend escape from the evil slavers, kills the bad guy and donates fuel to a band of freedom fighters. Everything he does is out of the goodness of his heart, and there is no reason to see him as a selfish scoundrel.
11:50 honestly it could be made more dramatic without having to break apart their relationship, it's my idea for how to handle his return to smugglers ways, he used it as cover for his work as republic spy, perhaps even couldn't go around as Han Solo anymore due to how recognizable this name is, and how easy it can be connected to Leia and by this to Republic, and that he also needs to keep some degree of radio silence during his job in case someone is trying to intercept his transmissions, so him coming back to Republics base to meet with Leia could be a moment of relief for her... like, it's such a simple idea but could make for such an interesting story... also would greatly explain why Han would be concerned about Falcon or maybe another ship he could use for his spy/smuggler job now, being wiretapped
I actually like the fact that Han went to Ben when it was obvious he wasn't going to survive that. The love of a father is a beautiful reason to do the ultimate sacrifice. It's the ultimate "Never tell me the odds" on his part. I bet he knew his son was still there and belived in him to the end...
Thanks for the shoutout! Lol, the last name is quite tricky, but you did better than most. Love your work and it’s refreshing to have SW discussions that are not incredibly toxic. Keep it up Thor!
He is a pinnacle character and fan-favorite due to the charismatic portrayal by the iconic Harrison Ford and his fated story arc. Han Solo is not only an important piece of the pantheon of Star Wars characters, not only as the Captain of the Millennium Falcon and love interest of Princess Leia Organa, but also as a result of his human qualities, his fallibility, his weaknesses... he is not a Jedi- not a Force sensitive, but a man trying to survive in the universe. We see ourselves in Han Solo, regardless of station, race, religion or gender. He is our point of view in the Star Wars universe. Han is us and for that reason, we love him. Rogues and scoundrels come and go, but none....NONE will ever leave us with the feelings of love and loss, companionship and loyalty, fortitude and strength as did the incomparable character of the one and only Han Solo.
Thor says he's surprised by a 'poor' showing, but if you look at the scores and not just the rankings, you'll see that Han is just 0.13 points away from the podium. Heck, he's 0.21 (more points) above Anakin. Despite being 7th (which is still in the top half) he was closer to 3rd than 9th going by sheer score. I feel Han placed about right given what I perceive as the general fan consensus of him.
I grew up OT. I have no problem with his role in TFA. He and Leia didn't "live happily ever after." They had a "bad seed". He went back to what he knew. It worked for me.
I don't mind Han not being perfect it makes him all the more human...and though sad...I'm not surprised he and Leia would have a tough time with a long term relationship....but I was really disappointed to see Han back to being not just a smuggler...but a bad swindling smuggler. I'd rather him be really good at smuggling and or tough as nails smuggler...not a bumbling one used for jokes.
Been a fan for a long time, Thor, but am unable to like or offer comments when I watch RUclips on TV. So, I took to my laptop and finally got to participate and offer some like and comments... ALL well deserved. I truly appreciate your breakdowns and Let's Talk Some Star Wars. All great stuff. Keep up the great work!!!!
Just imagine how great of a character he would have been if Harrison Ford actually wanted to play the role out to it's end and didn't hate the character and if he wouldn't have told everyone back in the 70s that the movie was a stupid space wizard flop and yes ladies and gentlemen that's were the space wizard statement originated from Harrison Ford
Han Solo is definitely my favorite character, how he was treated in the sequels doesn't change that he was a great character in the OT. Also, I think Solo is the best Disney Star Wars movie, only the second half of Rouge One was any good, most of the characters were one-dimensional and I had a hard time connecting with any of them.
I prefer rouge one to solo, but yeah People always forget how slow and boring the first half of rouge one is and how one-dimensional the characters are. The ending is still amazing tho don’t get me wrong.
A real great death of Han Solo, as well as Leia and Luke, would have been if in Episode 8, after each one has trained one of the new trio (Rey, Poe, and Finn), the old trio take part in a mission that somehow requires them to sacrifice their lives in order to save the new trio and the Resistance. The final scene could have had the new trii mourning their loss but emboldened to defeat the First Order once and for all because of the old trio's sacrifice. Han, Luke, and Leia would have gone out in glory as heroes while the final movie still could have focused entirely on the new three and made it their story.
Although, it may have been true that Harrison Ford hated the role which is understandable, he performed it well. He had a certain swagger that I can't see anyone else take up the role.
While I love Vader as much as any hard-core OT fan, I think the REAL secret behind his high score in your poll is that he that he was the ONLY significant charater to escape some sort of disastrous deconstruction / ret-conning / corruption in the Disney Trilogy. Perhaps never in the history of cinema is the old saying "less is more" more apt. Thank god JJ / RJ let him stay dead.
Han Solo (in the EU) is a story of rising to your full potential despite what life does to convince you to take the low road. The Solo family is descended from Prince Admiral Jonash Er-Solo of Corellia who ended the long conflicts between Coruscant and Alsakan, and ended the Corellian monarchy so the people could have personal freedom, the dominant philosophy of Corellians. But as the line went on, tragedy and broken ideals laid the Solo line low on the level of unnoticed smugglers (or utter dastards like his closer relatives). Han Solo was the one who, because of his choices, brings the old nobility back to the Solo name.
Well i gave him an A, and I did that cause I don't include the sequels or the "pointless" Solo movie. What Harrison gave us in the originals is so great that it stand above those inputs.
Unpopular opinion: Darth Vader’s “NOOOOOO” is one of the most poignant moments in he franchise and one of my favorite in RotS. I seriously don’t know why people don’t like it.
Like a lot of things in the prequels, there was a good idea behind it but the writing was bad. There are ways that Vader coukd have had a very similar reaction, either with no dialogue or more dialogue, that would have conveyed all the emotion and rawness without becoming a joke like "nooooooooo!!!" By 2005, that kind of melodramatic kind of reaction had become outdated and already used more for comedic effect than serious drama.
@@MetalSandman999 I wholly disagree. Yeah there were some MOMENTS where the writing was bad, but overall the prequel trilogy and ROTS was written extremely well. And there are plenty of movies that do a "noooo" scene, and do it well. With respect, I think you are projecting your own personal feelings about that, and attempting to apply it as standard, which it certainly is not.
@@shawnwolf5961 It actually is standard. If you read up on any filmmaking standard the prequels fail at almost all of them. The movies aren't really written well it only has a solid premise which you can say about any movie. The difference between a good movie and bad movie is which executes their premise the best and the prequels didn't do this. You can enjoy the movies all you want I'm not stopping you, but enjoying something is different from it actually being good. I used to enjoy the prequels as a kid, but as I've grown up and my perspective on movies has changed I've realized how bad they really are. ruclips.net/video/YPvEJjNNPp4/видео.html Watch this video it's the best summarized review of the prequels.
@@shawnwolf5961 Let's compare TCW ending to the infamous "NOOO!" of RotS: one is a quiet moment that shows emotion and connects back to its series, while one is just..."no!" Also, the prequels aren't that well written. If you want to debate that, be prepared, I am ready to go
Han Solo (and Leia, too) was the one of characters that most writers for the Legends material never (and I mean NEVER) screwed up. So when I say Disney Lucasfilm really dropped the ball with Han’s character... In Legends Han and Leia were THE power couple of Star Wars. Even his back story prior to a new hope was handled better than the story Solo told. Basically Legends built onto Han’s character, Disney ripped it to shreds.
They *mostly* haven't touched him. There is still the question as to why force ghost Anakin never came to Kylo Ren and was like "I don't know why you think I would want you to resurrect the empire. I destroyed the empire, remember? Whatever voices you hear in your head are not me!"
Han Solo above ANAKIN SKYWALKER?! That's outrageous it's unfair! How does Han Solo rank above Anakin God Damn Skywalker?! I mean Luke usurping his father I get that but HAN SOLO? Y'all be trippin on some death sticks man.
We're talking about the same Anakin who said *_ON YOUR KNEES_* to the embodiments of the light and dark sides of the force right? That Anakin? Lower than HAN SOLO???
@@chloespirit1169 yea we gotta take into account Clone Wars Anakin Skywalker and yoooooo that dude is BEAST Han solo above Anakin Skywalker come on bro lol
Without Han Solo, The princess would not be saved, Luke would never meet his father, Obi Wan would die happily as a failed Jedi in a desert. We would not have porgs or Ewoks. Darth Vader would be The most hardcore sunufabiatch in whatever galaxy far, far from us. -Get my point?
The fact that Harrison Ford slapped the actor who called him "Rebel Scum" has got to be one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars trivia. It just feels like a natrual ad lib right after the "Scum ?" Line I kind of wish it was left in.
In the EU his character was given respect and growth, his own trilogy, even an evil half brother. We got to see Coruscant through his eyes and compare his ethical values with Boba Fett, Lando, and Card. We even saw him as a grandfather to a princess that really needed his powers of discernment in choosing allies and associates.
I think 4.53 is a good score for Han, especially with a lot of the younger demographic who watch this channel. As for us old farts who grew up with the original trilogy, Han was definitely the most loved character out of all of them I'd say. I could write a lengthy few paragraphs why, but I won't waste people's time with it. From the off in ANH, when he utters his first line, you could see there is a fully fledged character right there, and his troubles with Jabba in those opening scenes suggest he has been a bit of a rogue over the years. He also represents the sceptical side of all the force and Jedi stuff; but learns soon that he is wrong, and his faults make us relate to him, as he is willing to accept that there is things outside his control or thought. His character progression from then on, until Jedi, is well done, and you are always on his side, as no matter what mischief he'll get into, you know its for good loyal reasons. I did like him in TFA, and he really gelled with the new characters, and having him along for the ride, would have been great, especially with his tricky relationship with his son. I was shocked when they killed him off, but can understand why they did it to try to deepen Ben/Kylo's character and the struggles within him, but it didn't quite work, and we missed Han's guidance in the other films. Killing him off like that as well put me off for a long time from watching Solo, as I just didn't feel the need to see it. However it was fine, moderately well done, but no more. For me, he is an A+ withouth a doubt, and always will be.
While I agree that Harrison Ford's portrayal as Han was truly great, I think the two other actors to play him also did well, mainly because they didn't copy him. In the NPR radio series, Perry King was snarkier, and showed more hints of Han's shady past, while Alden Ehrenreich in "Solo" showed his younger, even more reckless and self-confident side. And both effectively showed how Han wants to be a self-centered crook, but just can't help being a good guy. As for showing Han's past, the old Brian Daley books were great in showing how Han & Chewie had loads of earlier adventures, setting the stage for how and when he could be a true hero in the OT. And I didn't mind all the "check marks" in "Solo". We've seen them, we know the story, so now (I hope) we can move on with new adventures.
Honestly I'm surprised more people weren't talking about how badly he was taken down a peg to be sacrificed at the alter of Rey and the Disney trilogy due to his "toxic masculinity". All the character development of the o.t. turned to crap to show Leia didn't need him truly because being a strong independent female general. Left his son to be turned to the dark side, left his wife to run with that bad crowd again, sold Luke's medal for drinking money, so much for learning lessons and becoming a good man... Not to mention "Solo" which adds on more wackiness to his character journey. So you telling me he starts off as a "good guy" even though we're told this is suppose to be his start to smuggling and being shady which in reality isn't very long when thinking about the timeline leading up to "A New Hope".
I was under the impression that he and Leia split because their son went crazy and they both couldn't reconcile their parts in what happened. It's a pretty realistic thing to happen given how they got together and their own personalities.
How did Han's character in TFA connote a sense of "toxic masculinity"? Rey actually looked up to Han Solo in that movie and saw him as a father. It seems like you're trying to look for a SJW agenda in the TFA when there isn't one really aside from Rey being a Mary Sue. I'm not for SJW agendas at all just to let you know, but TFA didn't have much of a SJW agenda at all. I can totally see Han returning to smuggling I think it actually fits his character more. He liked the thrill of smuggling once they defeated the Empire there wasn't much for him to do he wouldn't have gone into politics. Like he says in TFA he went back to what he was good at. He's still a good man he may have gone back to smuggling, but he doesn't ever seem to be any less loving or caring than how he was at the end of the OT.
Han is by far one of the best characters in Star Wars. I think what ppl love & admire about Han is he is human. Whereas Luke can use the Force & undergoes training, Leia, in some since, is royalty or a "Big Deal" in the Rebellion, Han is an average guy with a cool ship, a gun & an animal friend (Chewie). Where Luke us pushed towards a greater destiny & it, in story purposes, dictated as the "good" character (Vader being the "bad"), Han is without a doubt the most human. He is always conflicted between helping himself or doing the right thing like when Han shoots Vaders ship in ANH's trench run 2 give Luke time 2 fire the missiles, willing 2 save C3PO, risk his life 2 destroy the shield generator. Han gets frozen in carbonite bcuz he never paid Jabba back (like how he saved Luke after the Wampa attack & neglected Jabba), which made Vader put out a bounty, which lead Boba Fett 2 give him 2 Jabba. Han is willinging 2 give it all, even though he doesnt show it. With TFA Han's character is both a blessing & a bit of a curse. His relationship with Leia is messed up when Ben Solo goes 2 the darkside (but now its more flawed when Johnson made Luke attack Ben, which pushed Ben 2 turn evil, which broke Han & Leia's relationship, which outcasts Luke on Achto, its a bit 2 much & flawed). Han out of all the OT characters had the most action in the sequels, between reuniting with the Falcon, fight Kanjaclub & the Rathtars, sneaking onto Starkiller base, thats more than Leia, Luke & Lando, which is a bit sad bcuz Luke SHOULDA been like a Qui Gon Jinn type & fight alongside Rey bringing back that master & apprentice feeling 4 Episodes 8 & 9, with Luke dying in 9, but that didnt happen. The sequels didnt change the universe, which is what I think agitated ppl, the First Order is the Empire, the Resistance is the Rebels, Ben is like Vader, & everyone from the OT never truly went forward but backwards. Overall, Han is, I think, one of the few ppl in this fantasy story that is human all the way around & unlike Luke who has special gifts or Leia who has fame & commands an army of rebels, 4 Han its just him, his blaster, a wookie & his spaceship.
To me he is they best character in star wars and has been my hero since 1977 when I was 5 and first saw star wars. For me solo was a ok movie even though I didn't love all of it but what really pissed me off was how they make him in TFA and then his death by what I saw as a really week bad guy Kyle who was supposed to be some bad ass villain who got his ass handed to him by ray who had never used a light saber in a fight. It's my opinion that the sequel trilogy would have been a lot better if they would have left the original cast out of them movies all together but hay that's just me.
Han Solo's backstory was one of many MANY things that Legends did so much better than the crap from Disney. Am surprised Han is so low (no pun intended) in this poll.
Han Solo, probably the coolest and most funny character in Star Wars. An A easily. Harrison may've hated the role but we all love him. His arc is probably 3rd best after only Luke and Vader. Maybe he should've died in ROTJ saving Leia or something after his rubbish death in TFA. I wanna be Han so much. Can you do Leia next pls.
A Star Wars Legend. Maybe not as complex as Darth Vader or as developed as Ashoka, but he is a witty, charming, and likable character that, at least in my opinion, Star Wars wouldn't be the same without.
"Every one wanted to be Han/like Han as a kid".... I wanted to be a Wookie, even more specifically a fallen Dark Jedi Wookie... What does that say about me ?
I remember being very conflicted as a kid trying to decide who Leia should hook up with, Han or Luke (before we knew she was Luke’s twin). I would have gone with Luke in a second because of the Force and his lightsaber. I was a kid who LOVED swords. Han on the other hand would certainly be more exciting, he was cuter, and not moody like Luke. Leia and Han did fight a lot though. I was relieved when the sibling thing was revealed, lmao. Han = A++
Honestly Han immediately contacting Leia after running into Fin and Rey sounds a million times better than what actually happened. It would severely shorten the runtime so the writers would have to come up with something original to fill the gap. Maz didn’t server really any purpose in the films. In TFA she just has Anakin’s old lightsaber, for some reason, that she gives to Fin after trying to give to Rey. And that about it. Her only involvement in TLJ was to send Fin and Rose on a mission that made zero sense since it only was happening because Holdo didn’t trust in her crew despite having zero reason not too. It wasn’t like there was a hint of a spy in the Resistance or anything. Finally, in TRS she just was there to monologue while Leia died. A role anyone could have done. So... yeah Han and Leia should have still been together if this character is why they were separated narratively speaking.
Being 54 years old now. I was Star Wars when it came out in 77. But as a kid did in the 70's. I grow up on Trek,Cowboy,Spy,and old movies played on TV. As a kid then Han Solo was a new kind of cowboy a "Space Cowboy". I never wanted to be Luke ever as a kid. Just like I always wanted to be Spock( and I dig Spock the MOST!!). I wanted to be Kirk,because he is a Space Cowboy too.
But you left out the people who thought the solo movie kinda ruined his character development. He's done it all before. Where's the point in having to go through that a few years later in ANH again? Also the relationship with that woman (what was her name again?) Makes the Han and Leia romance seem less significant. Caring about someone else was such a big step for him but nope, been there, done that.
Can you please do Fives. I know he is one clone out of many but I feel he deserves to be on the ranking system. I would say entire domino squad too but I know you can only do one at a time and I feel Fives is the best clone you can talk about other than Rex which you have already done. Thank you.
Han Solo character is the Syfy version of The Duke. That plus Harrison Ford's charisma and it's impossible not to have an amazing character. By the way The Duke is John Wayne. In so many ways that's who Han Solo's character reminds me of the most.
I actaully really like what the sequels did with him, he is not the same man he was in the originals, to cope with the tragedy of loosing his son he went back to the thing where he is most comfortable
Personally I loved the Solo movie and thought it was better than the sequel trilogy. I would still vote Rogue One as best Disney. Han Solo’s character development from someone who only cares about getting paid to a soldier in the rebellion was great. He falls in love with Leia and becomes a hero for her. I love the line “I know” and his relationship with Lando and also brotherhood with Luke. And the millennium falcon is of course the greatest Star Wars ship. I didn’t mind what happened in the Force awakens, because after losing a child, most couples do get divorced. So it makes sense that he and Leia has separated. They both tried their both to save their son and in the end succeeded in turning him back to the light. The sequel trilogy was more about then and Ben Solo than Rey/Finn in that respect. And Harrison Ford was the perfect casting choice.
I think a good way for _Solo_ to have been handled that I feel may have kept Han Solo from being dragged down is Qira. You have Qira be the one to convince him that he needed to join the Empire, only to have her be killed in the movie and the Empire do nothing to get her justice, only to have Jabba come in and help him get this justice he feels is needed. So when we see him in ANH and he's trying to pay off the debt to Jabba, we know that he's with Jabba because he feels indebted to him. So when you get Han Solo telling Leia, "I'm not in this for you revolution, Princess" it's him refusing to get dragged into something again when last time, it proved so dangerous to those he cared for and the Cause simply didn't care. That only people like Jabba can be trusted, only to have his time with the Rebellion change his mind.
ANH already tells us that he was indebted to Jabba for dumping a shipment when he got boarded by Imperials. I think Solo could have been improved if they had not felt bound to explaining his backstory and a bunch of his possessions. The possessions seemed like McGuffins as a result. They should have just told a heist story.
Han solo is one of my favourite movie characters of all time. Harrison Ford is my favourite actor of all time and he also played my childhood hero Indiana Jones who is still my favourite movie character of all time. Han solo has got it all: the Charms, the Charisma, The arc. Definetly an A
Solo name origin, check. Calling Chewbacca "Chewie", check. Dice in falcon, check. Odd ship language described by 3p0 in Empire via robot programed into falcon, check.
Unlike most people it seems I enjoyed Solo a Star Wars story. Having said that NOBODY will embody the dangerous charismatic adventurous charm of Han Solo the way Harrison Ford did
I think app Dameron was the closest and perfectly placed to be a “Han” type character. Also I think Harrison wanted Han to die in Empire after being frozen.
Han is actually one of the better arcs in the last trilogy. He went back to smuggling but he went back to something he actually “lost”. Discovering that doing his thing in the resistance suited him better.
I think all the stuff that happens in Solo that make people complain about it being a checklist was nesicary because they obviously set it up for a sequel and who wants two han solo moives where you have to set everything up before you can have Han just off on his adventures with chewie
If it's OT Han Solo, an A. He has a great arc from ANH to ROTJ, from selfish smuggler who is a loner with no allegiance to anyone but Chewie to a leader who now has friends and a cause to care about. He was the coolest character, while not being the center of the story. If it's a Han Solo that includes the Disney movies, then a B- maybe even a C. The regression of his character is inexcusable. And the blame lies entirely with Larry and Jon Kasdan. For someone who claimed Han as his favorite character, to give an interview prior to Solo, and read Larry Kasdan explaining that Han would NOT have changed in 30 years since ROTJ, is ridiculous. He actually resets him back to early ESB Han for TFA. Then to follow it up with a spreadsheet/checkbox origin film where all the characters OTHER than Han are more interesting tells me all I need to know about how little they really knew the character. Why should we even care about Han Solo in that movie (or any potential sequels) when we know he dies a failure?
Im late, as always, but I've gotta say I think Han got dealt a bad hand here. People say he's not who he should have been in Solo. They say he's terrible in TFA. Han Solo was my favorite character for the longest time, and I've read almost all of his books and dozens of others that featured him. Bookend to bookend this guy's story has been a consistent rise to the man we all strive to be, while still being cool enough for all of us. And the Disney movie portrayals are not far off, though him leaving Leia needed a much better explanation. I think Han should have taken 3rd place, personally, with my own list having him at 2nd. Thats not because he's the best character but because he's a complete character, which is not a very common feat. Storytellers seldom complete a character for fear of said character becoming useless. Not even possible with Han. If you look at every appearance hes made as canonical (excluding overlaps between Canon and legends) you couldn't find a more satisfying progression to Legend status besides Vader/Anakin, but lets just focus on legends. From a less than humble beginning to achieving the rank of General and kind of royalty(?). From being a smuggler for gas money to a war hero. To literally being a solo act to learning to embrace the strengths of others. Hes not the best at anything but he can do anything. He made the Kessel run - a feat on its own - and set a record (some discrepancies on what that record is). In summary, I have this to say He's shot DARTH VADER and LIVED. TWICE.
Unrelated to this video, but in regards to thor's recent video about how TRoS broke force ghosts, I'd like to direct everyone's attention to this Reddit comment by "getoffoficloud" "They weren't Force spirits. Rey was accessing the World Between Worlds. It was highlighted in The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary as something she was studying, and therefore something to look for when the movie came out. i.redd.it/fhyxfstwb1641.jpg It was confirmed in the novelization that it was the World Between Worlds that she was accessing, which is why her attempt earlier in the movie didn't work. The World Between Worlds is accessable in ancient Jedi and Sith temples, so she couldn't access it until she was in one. Also, one of those voices was still alive due to long term story plans requiring her to be." Link to the whole thread: www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/gxhlrq/so_whats_the_explanation_for_why_anakin_got_to_be/?
Kinda sucks that again, we have to use material made for the movie to explain its inconsistencies. Glad to hear about the long term story plans, but again they really need to stop using books to explain away plotholes and instead just work to not have them. Like force copy & Pasting
Using the World Between Worlds still doesn't make sense. WBW has two different interpretations: A) In TCW it is a pocket dimension outside of time and space like Narnia, you cannot change the timeline, and relatively no time passes as you are in it. B) In Rebels it is like a Time Portal Gateway that lets you affect past present and future events. Thus you can have time paradoxes and it creates Major Plot Holes. Time travel only works best if the movie is soley based on it, like Back to the Future, The Time Machine, etc. My personal headcannon is that Ahsoka sacrificed herself when fighting Vader at that temple thing. A main theme about Star Wars is that you cannot prevent the future or bring people back from the dead, and to accept losses. Sacrifice is the highest action of love one can perform, so to have some McGuffin to undo or alter the timeline loses all character development that person had gone through. If Rey didnt need a physical portal to access WBW, what's preventing Palpatine from using it, couldn't he have stopped Vader since he is somehow still alive? If the emperor had already known of WBW, wouldn't he have gone to rescue or Support Young Vader before he got burned up in lava thus making him the ultimate apprentice? He had been planning his Take over for over 40 years, he was the mastermind chess player.
Wait, but the last time I checked you had to go through a portal to actually get to the World between Worlds. Otherwise, you'd just be able to constantly hear old Jedi voices in the Jedi temple, wouldn't you? Also, that doesn't really explain why she'd want to connect with the Jedi of the past in the beginning of the movie then. Like, you don't randomly sit down and try to talk to dead people, do you? The only logical way for her to learn that it's a practice is because Leia told her, who had heard it from Luke, who found the World between Worlds himself. Then he would logically also pass on the knowledge that that only works in ancient temples, wouldn't he? And it also doesn't answer why we only hear voices we know. The Jedi have existed for thousands of years and the only ones we hear are from the past 70 years or so?
Instead of meeting Maz and going to Taco FruitLoops, it would have been SO MUCH COOLER if Han - now having the dumbass map to where Luke was - had hooked up with Leia and taken Finn, Rey and BB-8 on some rescue mission to save Luke from a Sith trap or something. Then, once saved, Luke would see the potential in Rey and take her under his wing and GAWD DAMNIT, WHY DOES THE SEQUEL TRILOGY SUCK SO BADLY!!!!!!!!
Respond to this comment with your nomination for which character we should do next... or vote with a thumbs up if they're already listed.
Chewbacca! We simply can’t leave behind Han Solo’s one companion that even Disney couldn’t part from him.
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Revan
Baby Yoda
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I think Hans line, “That’s not how the force works.” Describes the entire sequel trilogy
LOL! Yea as I watched TLJ I kept hearing him saying that...over and over.
As I watched the sequel trilogy, I kept saying that to myself over & over again. XD
“Look, your worshipfulness, let’s get one thing straight. I take ratings from just one person: me.”
Beautiful comment.
@@crisisamonginfinitedarthsa4220 Thank you!
I just made a solid ranking of all the villains if anyone's interested.
And I am th best smuggler in the galaxy
“It’s a wonder you’re still alive”
I had to give him an A, He’s my son in law.
Darth Vader you too bonded when you tortured him?
I wanted to see if he was tough, besides I just showed him some bad movies.
He only started screaming when I showed him Rise of Skywalker.
@@CyberSonic-V3.0 that sounds about right
@@CyberSonic-V3.0 but did you show hime the emoji movie tho?
The original trilogy wouldn't have been as fun without Han Solo.
Definitely!
True
It would have been just another space adventure
The story would be so different if Obi Wan found Boba instead of Han...
He’s so popular that they should do a movie about him...
Although it wasn’t that good
It would need to be about him, though...
yeah the solo movie was weird same last name but totally different back story we truly need a HAN solo movie not a random one where some solo guy fights in ww2
I love the Solo movie, it was very good IMO, I still don't consider it as canon, I prefer Han's origins from the EU novels.
But Solo is a fun romp through the galaxy & it gets 5 stars from me.
The worst parts of the movie though are that it's dark as shit & L3, but at least L3 is only in the film for ~25 minutes
Damn shame there was no mention of his arc from Legends and the meaning of it... In Legends, he was a guy who would try to keep his family together at all cost and to be there for his children, especially because he himself got very little parental love as a kid and he didn't want for the same to happen to his three kids...
Maybe because it's not Canon anymore?
Shawn Wolf Who cares? The stories are far superior. In many people's opinions.
@@kumitas2316 It even had a beloved "strong female character" with Jania, she just happened to have flaws so could not be allowed...
@@shawnwolf5961 Sorry, but this is Thor's channel and there is plenty of Legends stuff here, so move along... or in other words, the "Canon" has no power here, Shawn the Wolf...
@@marty2129 Yeah, because how DARE I point out when something isn't canonical. I am SUCH a terrible person. Get over yourself, buddy
In all honestly, I completely forgot about Solo when I was rating Han because his character there felt so disconnected to him in IV
I hate that the sequels had C3PO say that he is looking at his friends... when they gave him crap the entire movie... Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie and R2 are his friends!
"I know" is the best line of romantic cinema, ad-libbed to show that a scoundrel has a heart, but still shows a soft side to a rough and tough character. Harrison Ford may not like being "typecast" as Han, but his character is more inspirational to men of GenX than Luke Skywalker is.
idk about that. If you can't be inspired by Luke's character, then why even watch Star Wars at all? Luke's story is incredibly inspiring! Han's overall story arch is GOOD, don't get me wrong, but Luke's is so much better. I think the poll results reflect that, too.
@@shawnwolf5961 I don't know that the poll really shows that. The poli showed, especially connection with the comments, how much the sequels and Solo dragged down a lot of people's opinion of him despite how good they thought he was originally. Still, while I do think that Luke is an inspiring character, lots of dudes who grew up with the old trilogy really found Han to be the most inspiring guy in the stories.
Legends: A
canon since the disney purchase: there seems to be memory lapses in my brain, probably to protect itself from traumatic experiences
Han Solo is that bit of grounded reality that makes the whole thing work.
Thor, you should do a quick poll on what trilogy people like the most. It would be interesting to see if you have more of a prequel or original trilogy audience.
He died in The Force Awakens long before Kylo stabbed him.
Pretty much spot on.
About the "NO" moment from Darth Vader, that moment explains the character. It explains why he turned to the dark side and why he turned back to the light in the end. That moment makes clear his whys.
@VelCrowd Exactly. But I'm way older... 42 in 5 days. 😬
I feel its very cool that now people can look past the cringe dialog (at times) in the prequels and see the bigger, deeper picture behind the meaning.
Can i just say in the german version he just screams. Yeah one of the few things german got better on Vader the English. (But i prefer the english form)
I spent many hours of my youth jumping over the arm of my parent's sofa, pretending I was blowing up the shield generator on the forest moon of Endor. Sure, it was nice to imagine what I would do if I had Force powers but Han was definitely the coolest of the OT characters.
Jar Jar Binks poll! Let’s settle this.
LET'S GOOOOO!!!
Worse character in star wars
A jar jar
B Rose
C Rey
D holdo
Grif 18 and E salacious crumb
@@grif1811 S tier : Jar Jar Abrams
The most threatening villain
5:04
Darth Vader: WHAT!?
They shouldn't have done the sequel trilogy.
@@CorporalLoth It's not that Han isn't great, it's that the writing was horrible
I think a sequel trilogy could easily have worked, had they given any thought, talent or love for the brand in it...
@@Cancoillotteman That's why they have to decanonise this shit and make something good instead.
@@CorporalLoth I'll agree TLJ and TROS are worse than TFA, but I still wasn't a huge fan of it. It did fine as a setup for the next two, but Rey was still a bit of a Mary Sue and I found a lot of the dialogue kinda cringey. Taken as a whole, the ST sucked
I'm part of the dwindling population that can remember the introduction of all these characters and how for a very brief time there was nothing else to accent, dilute or diminish them. No sequels, no EU, no prequels and no sequel trilogy. I remember first seeing Han in 1977 and right off the bat you're not sure if Obi wan and Luke can and should trust him. His negotiations with them revealed greed. His run-in with Greedo illustrated his ruthlessness. His philosophy toward life and the force showed his lack of a spiritual side. We get to the Deathstar we see Han's cunning and how he's flexible on his own boundaries as long as money is involved. Still at this point we the audience in '77 weren't sure we could or should trust him. He's working to save the princess and escape but 1/2 of that is for money and 1/2 is to save his own skin. By the time we get to Yavin there is both disappointment and affirmation. Disappointed he's bailing on the rebels after having seen all he has to offer. But affirming to see he is the scoundrel we took him for when we first saw him in the Cantina. That last minute reveal, one which lore later told us that Chewie was the one who persuaded Han to go back, that moment put Han squarely on the good guy side. It wasn't until then.
The Special Edition ANH really ruined that arc. Han taking out Greedo without hesitation established that mystique and concern about Han. Without that it shifts Han more to the good guys early on. BUT in hindsight, for the all people born after 1997, they'll never get to experience that journey of discovering what kind of man Han truly is.
Very interesting
while I don't necessarily agree with this (and I am one of those born before 1997. Well before), it is an interesting take. I don't think that Han shooting Greedo last in the remaster does anything to his character, or how we view him. I say this, because it is very clear that Greedo was a big threat to Han in the original version. There is not a single, solitary doubt about it. So Han shooting him first is Han surviving. Han shooting him second, as in the remaster...still about Han surviving. Only, here he was at least willing to give Greedo a "shot" ahahaha (bad pun I know), but still also willing to kill him. It made the Greedo threat far less subtle, but doesn't really effect Han much, imo.
^^^^ Solo does far more damage to the character of Han than the Special Edition. Every significant event in Han's life happens in a week, and the movie presents him as a selfless hero right off the bat. He helps his girlfriend escape from the evil slavers, kills the bad guy and donates fuel to a band of freedom fighters. Everything he does is out of the goodness of his heart, and there is no reason to see him as a selfish scoundrel.
11:50 honestly it could be made more dramatic without having to break apart their relationship, it's my idea for how to handle his return to smugglers ways, he used it as cover for his work as republic spy, perhaps even couldn't go around as Han Solo anymore due to how recognizable this name is, and how easy it can be connected to Leia and by this to Republic, and that he also needs to keep some degree of radio silence during his job in case someone is trying to intercept his transmissions, so him coming back to Republics base to meet with Leia could be a moment of relief for her... like, it's such a simple idea but could make for such an interesting story... also would greatly explain why Han would be concerned about Falcon or maybe another ship he could use for his spy/smuggler job now, being wiretapped
I actually like the fact that Han went to Ben when it was obvious he wasn't going to survive that. The love of a father is a beautiful reason to do the ultimate sacrifice. It's the ultimate "Never tell me the odds" on his part. I bet he knew his son was still there and belived in him to the end...
1%: _Gives Han Solo an F_
Me: Boring conversation, anyway.
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Thanks for the shoutout! Lol, the last name is quite tricky, but you did better than most. Love your work and it’s refreshing to have SW discussions that are not incredibly toxic. Keep it up Thor!
Han would be the greatest best friend in all of the universe, let’s be honest
He is a pinnacle character and fan-favorite due to the charismatic portrayal by the iconic Harrison Ford and his fated story arc. Han Solo is not only an important piece of the pantheon of Star Wars characters, not only as the Captain of the Millennium Falcon and love interest of Princess Leia Organa, but also as a result of his human qualities, his fallibility, his weaknesses... he is not a Jedi- not a Force sensitive, but a man trying to survive in the universe. We see ourselves in Han Solo, regardless of station, race, religion or gender. He is our point of view in the Star Wars universe. Han is us and for that reason, we love him. Rogues and scoundrels come and go, but none....NONE will ever leave us with the feelings of love and loss, companionship and loyalty, fortitude and strength as did the incomparable character of the one and only Han Solo.
Thor says he's surprised by a 'poor' showing, but if you look at the scores and not just the rankings, you'll see that Han is just 0.13 points away from the podium. Heck, he's 0.21 (more points) above Anakin. Despite being 7th (which is still in the top half) he was closer to 3rd than 9th going by sheer score. I feel Han placed about right given what I perceive as the general fan consensus of him.
Let’s do Mara Jade for the next vid, I feel like her character has been forgotten by those that aren’t hardcore Star Wars fans.
Yes!
How are you doing during lockdown, hope you're ok
i'm out of lockdown, lmao
@@gozogo1233 nice
I’m good :) thank u.
I grew up OT. I have no problem with his role in TFA. He and Leia didn't "live happily ever after." They had a "bad seed". He went back to what he knew. It worked for me.
I don't mind Han not being perfect it makes him all the more human...and though sad...I'm not surprised he and Leia would have a tough time with a long term relationship....but I was really disappointed to see Han back to being not just a smuggler...but a bad swindling smuggler. I'd rather him be really good at smuggling and or tough as nails smuggler...not a bumbling one used for jokes.
Been a fan for a long time, Thor, but am unable to like or offer comments when I watch RUclips on TV. So, I took to my laptop and finally got to participate and offer some like and comments... ALL well deserved. I truly appreciate your breakdowns and Let's Talk Some Star Wars. All great stuff. Keep up the great work!!!!
Grading Rey! (And more bad characters)
anyone that doesn't vote F is retarded.
No they’re not
Alexander Hamilton maybe
but rey is definitly
More bad characters? We haven't had a bad character on the list yer
Rogue One not an F but a solid D
Just imagine how great of a character he would have been if Harrison Ford actually wanted to play the role out to it's end and didn't hate the character and if he wouldn't have told everyone back in the 70s that the movie was a stupid space wizard flop and yes ladies and gentlemen that's were the space wizard statement originated from Harrison Ford
Han Solo is definitely my favorite character, how he was treated in the sequels doesn't change that he was a great character in the OT. Also, I think Solo is the best Disney Star Wars movie, only the second half of Rouge One was any good, most of the characters were one-dimensional and I had a hard time connecting with any of them.
I prefer rouge one to solo, but yeah People always forget how slow and boring the first half of rouge one is and how one-dimensional the characters are. The ending is still amazing tho don’t get me wrong.
A real great death of Han Solo, as well as Leia and Luke, would have been if in Episode 8, after each one has trained one of the new trio (Rey, Poe, and Finn), the old trio take part in a mission that somehow requires them to sacrifice their lives in order to save the new trio and the Resistance. The final scene could have had the new trii mourning their loss but emboldened to defeat the First Order once and for all because of the old trio's sacrifice. Han, Luke, and Leia would have gone out in glory as heroes while the final movie still could have focused entirely on the new three and made it their story.
The galaxy's best lazer brain.
"I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain"
He's my Go To Hero, his DL 44 shreds even Sith Lords and his detonite charge is OP
Although, it may have been true that Harrison Ford hated the role which is understandable, he performed it well. He had a certain swagger that I can't see anyone else take up the role.
While I love Vader as much as any hard-core OT fan, I think the REAL secret behind his high score in your poll is that he that he was the ONLY significant charater to escape some sort of disastrous deconstruction / ret-conning / corruption in the Disney Trilogy. Perhaps never in the history of cinema is the old saying "less is more" more apt. Thank god JJ / RJ let him stay dead.
Han Solo (in the EU) is a story of rising to your full potential despite what life does to convince you to take the low road. The Solo family is descended from Prince Admiral Jonash Er-Solo of Corellia who ended the long conflicts between Coruscant and Alsakan, and ended the Corellian monarchy so the people could have personal freedom, the dominant philosophy of Corellians. But as the line went on, tragedy and broken ideals laid the Solo line low on the level of unnoticed smugglers (or utter dastards like his closer relatives). Han Solo was the one who, because of his choices, brings the old nobility back to the Solo name.
Han Solo gets an an A. He is the coolest character and he made the OT exciting for me. By far my favorite character.
Well i gave him an A, and I did that cause I don't include the sequels or the "pointless" Solo movie. What Harrison gave us in the originals is so great that it stand above those inputs.
Unpopular opinion: Darth Vader’s “NOOOOOO” is one of the most poignant moments in he franchise and one of my favorite in RotS. I seriously don’t know why people don’t like it.
Like a lot of things in the prequels, there was a good idea behind it but the writing was bad. There are ways that Vader coukd have had a very similar reaction, either with no dialogue or more dialogue, that would have conveyed all the emotion and rawness without becoming a joke like "nooooooooo!!!"
By 2005, that kind of melodramatic kind of reaction had become outdated and already used more for comedic effect than serious drama.
@@MetalSandman999 I wholly disagree. Yeah there were some MOMENTS where the writing was bad, but overall the prequel trilogy and ROTS was written extremely well. And there are plenty of movies that do a "noooo" scene, and do it well. With respect, I think you are projecting your own personal feelings about that, and attempting to apply it as standard, which it certainly is not.
@@shawnwolf5961 It actually is standard. If you read up on any filmmaking standard the prequels fail at almost all of them. The movies aren't really written well it only has a solid premise which you can say about any movie. The difference between a good movie and bad movie is which executes their premise the best and the prequels didn't do this. You can enjoy the movies all you want I'm not stopping you, but enjoying something is different from it actually being good. I used to enjoy the prequels as a kid, but as I've grown up and my perspective on movies has changed I've realized how bad they really are.
ruclips.net/video/YPvEJjNNPp4/видео.html
Watch this video it's the best summarized review of the prequels.
@@shawnwolf5961 Let's compare TCW ending to the infamous "NOOO!" of RotS: one is a quiet moment that shows emotion and connects back to its series, while one is just..."no!"
Also, the prequels aren't that well written. If you want to debate that, be prepared, I am ready to go
@@rosesweetcharlotte which part isn't 'well written'? Make one valid point and let's see if it stands.
Han Solo (and Leia, too) was the one of characters that most writers for the Legends material never (and I mean NEVER) screwed up. So when I say Disney Lucasfilm really dropped the ball with Han’s character... In Legends Han and Leia were THE power couple of Star Wars. Even his back story prior to a new hope was handled better than the story Solo told. Basically Legends built onto Han’s character, Disney ripped it to shreds.
Comment war: Han Solo vs Indiana Jones. Who is better?
Solo
Depends on how bad the next Indiana Jones movie is.
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Darth Vader hasn't been touched by Disney in the sequels largely, that's why he'll always be on top.
They *mostly* haven't touched him. There is still the question as to why force ghost Anakin never came to Kylo Ren and was like "I don't know why you think I would want you to resurrect the empire. I destroyed the empire, remember? Whatever voices you hear in your head are not me!"
Han Solo above ANAKIN SKYWALKER?! That's outrageous it's unfair!
How does Han Solo rank above Anakin God Damn Skywalker?! I mean Luke usurping his father I get that but HAN SOLO?
Y'all be trippin on some death sticks man.
Ribotto Studios Well, you gotta admit Han Solo is way more charismatic than Anakin.
We're talking about the same Anakin who said *_ON YOUR KNEES_* to the embodiments of the light and dark sides of the force right? That Anakin? Lower than HAN SOLO???
@@chloespirit1169 yea we gotta take into account Clone Wars Anakin Skywalker and yoooooo that dude is BEAST Han solo above Anakin Skywalker come on bro lol
@@AceHufflepuff When Anakin (in both movies and Clone Wars) is my favorite Star Wars character...
@@RyanTheDark saaaaaame him and Ahsoka are tied for number one this hella hurts a LOT bro
Luke and Anakin should be so much further up
Han was one of the best parts of the original trilogy
Without Han Solo, The princess would not be saved, Luke would never meet his father, Obi Wan would die happily as a failed Jedi in a desert. We would not have porgs or Ewoks. Darth Vader would be The most hardcore sunufabiatch in whatever galaxy far, far from us. -Get my point?
I loved Solo, and Rogue One. Solo was fun and he was portrayed very well.
That comment by sebastian carvajal is a 10/10 (7:43 for reference)
thanks mate!
@@sofiacarvajal8545 I've always been a fan of the C-3PO and Han dynamic in Empire
The fact that Harrison Ford slapped the actor who called him "Rebel Scum" has got to be one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars trivia. It just feels like a natrual ad lib right after the "Scum ?" Line I kind of wish it was left in.
Yeah I really liked that moment too, it was from the RoTJ deleted scenes right?
In the EU his character was given respect and growth, his own trilogy, even an evil half brother. We got to see Coruscant through his eyes and compare his ethical values with Boba Fett, Lando, and Card. We even saw him as a grandfather to a princess that really needed his powers of discernment in choosing allies and associates.
I think 4.53 is a good score for Han, especially with a lot of the younger demographic who watch this channel. As for us old farts who grew up with the original trilogy, Han was definitely the most loved character out of all of them I'd say. I could write a lengthy few paragraphs why, but I won't waste people's time with it. From the off in ANH, when he utters his first line, you could see there is a fully fledged character right there, and his troubles with Jabba in those opening scenes suggest he has been a bit of a rogue over the years. He also represents the sceptical side of all the force and Jedi stuff; but learns soon that he is wrong, and his faults make us relate to him, as he is willing to accept that there is things outside his control or thought. His character progression from then on, until Jedi, is well done, and you are always on his side, as no matter what mischief he'll get into, you know its for good loyal reasons. I did like him in TFA, and he really gelled with the new characters, and having him along for the ride, would have been great, especially with his tricky relationship with his son. I was shocked when they killed him off, but can understand why they did it to try to deepen Ben/Kylo's character and the struggles within him, but it didn't quite work, and we missed Han's guidance in the other films.
Killing him off like that as well put me off for a long time from watching Solo, as I just didn't feel the need to see it. However it was fine, moderately well done, but no more.
For me, he is an A+ withouth a doubt, and always will be.
If Han and Luke didn't have their legacies tarnished by the Disney era of Star Wars they'd both be in the top 5 without a doubt.
While I agree that Harrison Ford's portrayal as Han was truly great, I think the two other actors to play him also did well, mainly because they didn't copy him. In the NPR radio series, Perry King was snarkier, and showed more hints of Han's shady past, while Alden Ehrenreich in "Solo" showed his younger, even more reckless and self-confident side. And both effectively showed how Han wants to be a self-centered crook, but just can't help being a good guy. As for showing Han's past, the old Brian Daley books were great in showing how Han & Chewie had loads of earlier adventures, setting the stage for how and when he could be a true hero in the OT. And I didn't mind all the "check marks" in "Solo". We've seen them, we know the story, so now (I hope) we can move on with new adventures.
Honestly I'm surprised more people weren't talking about how badly he was taken down a peg to be sacrificed at the alter of Rey and the Disney trilogy due to his "toxic masculinity". All the character development of the o.t. turned to crap to show Leia didn't need him truly because being a strong independent female general. Left his son to be turned to the dark side, left his wife to run with that bad crowd again, sold Luke's medal for drinking money, so much for learning lessons and becoming a good man...
Not to mention "Solo" which adds on more wackiness to his character journey. So you telling me he starts off as a "good guy" even though we're told this is suppose to be his start to smuggling and being shady which in reality isn't very long when thinking about the timeline leading up to "A New Hope".
I was under the impression that he and Leia split because their son went crazy and they both couldn't reconcile their parts in what happened. It's a pretty realistic thing to happen given how they got together and their own personalities.
How did Han's character in TFA connote a sense of "toxic masculinity"? Rey actually looked up to Han Solo in that movie and saw him as a father. It seems like you're trying to look for a SJW agenda in the TFA when there isn't one really aside from Rey being a Mary Sue. I'm not for SJW agendas at all just to let you know, but TFA didn't have much of a SJW agenda at all. I can totally see Han returning to smuggling I think it actually fits his character more. He liked the thrill of smuggling once they defeated the Empire there wasn't much for him to do he wouldn't have gone into politics. Like he says in TFA he went back to what he was good at. He's still a good man he may have gone back to smuggling, but he doesn't ever seem to be any less loving or caring than how he was at the end of the OT.
Han is by far one of the best characters in Star Wars. I think what ppl love & admire about Han is he is human. Whereas Luke can use the Force & undergoes training, Leia, in some since, is royalty or a "Big Deal" in the Rebellion, Han is an average guy with a cool ship, a gun & an animal friend (Chewie). Where Luke us pushed towards a greater destiny & it, in story purposes, dictated as the "good" character (Vader being the "bad"), Han is without a doubt the most human. He is always conflicted between helping himself or doing the right thing like when Han shoots Vaders ship in ANH's trench run 2 give Luke time 2 fire the missiles, willing 2 save C3PO, risk his life 2 destroy the shield generator. Han gets frozen in carbonite bcuz he never paid Jabba back (like how he saved Luke after the Wampa attack & neglected Jabba), which made Vader put out a bounty, which lead Boba Fett 2 give him 2 Jabba. Han is willinging 2 give it all, even though he doesnt show it.
With TFA Han's character is both a blessing & a bit of a curse. His relationship with Leia is messed up when Ben Solo goes 2 the darkside (but now its more flawed when Johnson made Luke attack Ben, which pushed Ben 2 turn evil, which broke Han & Leia's relationship, which outcasts Luke on Achto, its a bit 2 much & flawed). Han out of all the OT characters had the most action in the sequels, between reuniting with the Falcon, fight Kanjaclub & the Rathtars, sneaking onto Starkiller base, thats more than Leia, Luke & Lando, which is a bit sad bcuz Luke SHOULDA been like a Qui Gon Jinn type & fight alongside Rey bringing back that master & apprentice feeling 4 Episodes 8 & 9, with Luke dying in 9, but that didnt happen. The sequels didnt change the universe, which is what I think agitated ppl, the First Order is the Empire, the Resistance is the Rebels, Ben is like Vader, & everyone from the OT never truly went forward but backwards.
Overall, Han is, I think, one of the few ppl in this fantasy story that is human all the way around & unlike Luke who has special gifts or Leia who has fame & commands an army of rebels, 4 Han its just him, his blaster, a wookie & his spaceship.
Din Djarin for next poll please!
But we don't know much about him. There's no depth on his character (yet).
@@dredeth Definitely agree. He's got potential but his story is very much incomplete.
To me he is they best character in star wars and has been my hero since 1977 when I was 5 and first saw star wars. For me solo was a ok movie even though I didn't love all of it but what really pissed me off was how they make him in TFA and then his death by what I saw as a really week bad guy Kyle who was supposed to be some bad ass villain who got his ass handed to him by ray who had never used a light saber in a fight. It's my opinion that the sequel trilogy would have been a lot better if they would have left the original cast out of them movies all together but hay that's just me.
Han Solo's backstory was one of many MANY things that Legends did so much better than the crap from Disney. Am surprised Han is so low (no pun intended) in this poll.
Han Solo, probably the coolest and most funny character in Star Wars. An A easily. Harrison may've hated the role but we all love him. His arc is probably 3rd best after only Luke and Vader. Maybe he should've died in ROTJ saving Leia or something after his rubbish death in TFA. I wanna be Han so much. Can you do Leia next pls.
A Star Wars Legend. Maybe not as complex as Darth Vader or as developed as Ashoka, but he is a witty, charming, and likable character that, at least in my opinion, Star Wars wouldn't be the same without.
He ranks Very high, and he deserved MUCH better...
He's the most relatable character in my opinion
In a franchise full of demigods, super soldiers, and cunning aliens, Han Solo is just a normal guy doing his best
"Every one wanted to be Han/like Han as a kid".... I wanted to be a Wookie, even more specifically a fallen Dark Jedi Wookie... What does that say about me ?
You subverted my expectations
I remember being very conflicted as a kid trying to decide who Leia should hook up with, Han or Luke (before we knew she was Luke’s twin). I would have gone with Luke in a second because of the Force and his lightsaber. I was a kid who LOVED swords. Han on the other hand would certainly be more exciting, he was cuter, and not moody like Luke. Leia and Han did fight a lot though. I was relieved when the sibling thing was revealed, lmao. Han = A++
Honestly Han immediately contacting Leia after running into Fin and Rey sounds a million times better than what actually happened. It would severely shorten the runtime so the writers would have to come up with something original to fill the gap. Maz didn’t server really any purpose in the films. In TFA she just has Anakin’s old lightsaber, for some reason, that she gives to Fin after trying to give to Rey. And that about it. Her only involvement in TLJ was to send Fin and Rose on a mission that made zero sense since it only was happening because Holdo didn’t trust in her crew despite having zero reason not too. It wasn’t like there was a hint of a spy in the Resistance or anything. Finally, in TRS she just was there to monologue while Leia died. A role anyone could have done. So... yeah Han and Leia should have still been together if this character is why they were separated narratively speaking.
Being 54 years old now. I was Star Wars when it came out in 77. But as a kid did in the 70's. I grow up on Trek,Cowboy,Spy,and old movies played on TV. As a kid then Han Solo was a new kind of cowboy a "Space Cowboy". I never wanted to be Luke ever as a kid. Just like I always wanted to be Spock( and I dig Spock the MOST!!). I wanted to be Kirk,because he is a Space Cowboy too.
Time to bring in the games vote for Revan!
At the end as the survey takes me i have won. Now i now how you haven't yet feld my friend.
But you left out the people who thought the solo movie kinda ruined his character development. He's done it all before. Where's the point in having to go through that a few years later in ANH again?
Also the relationship with that woman (what was her name again?) Makes the Han and Leia romance seem less significant. Caring about someone else was such a big step for him but nope, been there, done that.
I’ve been looking forward to this
Can you please do Fives. I know he is one clone out of many but I feel he deserves to be on the ranking system. I would say entire domino squad too but I know you can only do one at a time and I feel Fives is the best clone you can talk about other than Rex which you have already done. Thank you.
Han Solo character is the Syfy version of The Duke. That plus Harrison Ford's charisma and it's impossible not to have an amazing character. By the way The Duke is John Wayne. In so many ways that's who Han Solo's character reminds me of the most.
I actaully really like what the sequels did with him, he is not the same man he was in the originals, to cope with the tragedy of loosing his son he went back to the thing where he is most comfortable
What about starkiller? I do not know if legends characters count though.
Personally I loved the Solo movie and thought it was better than the sequel trilogy. I would still vote Rogue One as best Disney. Han Solo’s character development from someone who only cares about getting paid to a soldier in the rebellion was great. He falls in love with Leia and becomes a hero for her. I love the line “I know” and his relationship with Lando and also brotherhood with Luke. And the millennium falcon is of course the greatest Star Wars ship. I didn’t mind what happened in the Force awakens, because after losing a child, most couples do get divorced. So it makes sense that he and Leia has separated. They both tried their both to save their son and in the end succeeded in turning him back to the light. The sequel trilogy was more about then and Ben Solo than Rey/Finn in that respect. And Harrison Ford was the perfect casting choice.
I think a good way for _Solo_ to have been handled that I feel may have kept Han Solo from being dragged down is Qira. You have Qira be the one to convince him that he needed to join the Empire, only to have her be killed in the movie and the Empire do nothing to get her justice, only to have Jabba come in and help him get this justice he feels is needed. So when we see him in ANH and he's trying to pay off the debt to Jabba, we know that he's with Jabba because he feels indebted to him.
So when you get Han Solo telling Leia, "I'm not in this for you revolution, Princess" it's him refusing to get dragged into something again when last time, it proved so dangerous to those he cared for and the Cause simply didn't care. That only people like Jabba can be trusted, only to have his time with the Rebellion change his mind.
ANH already tells us that he was indebted to Jabba for dumping a shipment when he got boarded by Imperials.
I think Solo could have been improved if they had not felt bound to explaining his backstory and a bunch of his possessions. The possessions seemed like McGuffins as a result. They should have just told a heist story.
@@kossend1 I mean more of him feeling emotionally indebted that Jabba stepped in when no one else would. Not his financial debts.
13:28 Do it. Search your feelings Thor you want to sing.
Han solo is one of my favourite movie characters of all time.
Harrison Ford is my favourite actor of all time and he also played my childhood hero Indiana Jones who is still my favourite movie character of all time.
Han solo has got it all: the Charms, the Charisma, The arc. Definetly an A
Solo name origin, check. Calling Chewbacca "Chewie", check. Dice in falcon, check. Odd ship language described by 3p0 in Empire via robot programed into falcon, check.
Unlike most people it seems I enjoyed Solo a Star Wars story. Having said that NOBODY will embody the dangerous charismatic adventurous charm of Han Solo the way Harrison Ford did
I think app Dameron was the closest and perfectly placed to be a “Han” type character. Also I think Harrison wanted Han to die in Empire after being frozen.
Han Solo is ranked top. The Disney trilogy characters are ranked so low they had to dig a 🕳
Glad to finally see a non- space wizard. Just a normal person trying to get by.
Hello there, Thor, how are you today?
Pretty good, how are you today, my friend?
@@thorskywalker Good.
Lol
Han is actually one of the better arcs in the last trilogy. He went back to smuggling but he went back to something he actually “lost”. Discovering that doing his thing in the resistance suited him better.
People are cold hearted man. I cried when Han died in Episode 7. And I rarely cry in movies.
I think all the stuff that happens in Solo that make people complain about it being a checklist was nesicary because they obviously set it up for a sequel and who wants two han solo moives where you have to set everything up before you can have Han just off on his adventures with chewie
If it's OT Han Solo, an A. He has a great arc from ANH to ROTJ, from selfish smuggler who is a loner with no allegiance to anyone but Chewie to a leader who now has friends and a cause to care about. He was the coolest character, while not being the center of the story.
If it's a Han Solo that includes the Disney movies, then a B- maybe even a C. The regression of his character is inexcusable. And the blame lies entirely with Larry and Jon Kasdan. For someone who claimed Han as his favorite character, to give an interview prior to Solo, and read Larry Kasdan explaining that Han would NOT have changed in 30 years since ROTJ, is ridiculous. He actually resets him back to early ESB Han for TFA. Then to follow it up with a spreadsheet/checkbox origin film where all the characters OTHER than Han are more interesting tells me all I need to know about how little they really knew the character. Why should we even care about Han Solo in that movie (or any potential sequels) when we know he dies a failure?
Im late, as always, but I've gotta say I think Han got dealt a bad hand here. People say he's not who he should have been in Solo. They say he's terrible in TFA. Han Solo was my favorite character for the longest time, and I've read almost all of his books and dozens of others that featured him. Bookend to bookend this guy's story has been a consistent rise to the man we all strive to be, while still being cool enough for all of us. And the Disney movie portrayals are not far off, though him leaving Leia needed a much better explanation.
I think Han should have taken 3rd place, personally, with my own list having him at 2nd. Thats not because he's the best character but because he's a complete character, which is not a very common feat. Storytellers seldom complete a character for fear of said character becoming useless. Not even possible with Han.
If you look at every appearance hes made as canonical (excluding overlaps between Canon and legends) you couldn't find a more satisfying progression to Legend status besides Vader/Anakin, but lets just focus on legends. From a less than humble beginning to achieving the rank of General and kind of royalty(?). From being a smuggler for gas money to a war hero. To literally being a solo act to learning to embrace the strengths of others. Hes not the best at anything but he can do anything. He made the Kessel run - a feat on its own - and set a record (some discrepancies on what that record is).
In summary, I have this to say
He's shot DARTH VADER and LIVED. TWICE.
Unrelated to this video, but in regards to thor's recent video about how TRoS broke force ghosts, I'd like to direct everyone's attention to this Reddit comment by "getoffoficloud"
"They weren't Force spirits. Rey was accessing the World Between Worlds. It was highlighted in The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary as something she was studying, and therefore something to look for when the movie came out.
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It was confirmed in the novelization that it was the World Between Worlds that she was accessing, which is why her attempt earlier in the movie didn't work. The World Between Worlds is accessable in ancient Jedi and Sith temples, so she couldn't access it until she was in one. Also, one of those voices was still alive due to long term story plans requiring her to be."
Link to the whole thread: www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/gxhlrq/so_whats_the_explanation_for_why_anakin_got_to_be/?
Kinda sucks that again, we have to use material made for the movie to explain its inconsistencies.
Glad to hear about the long term story plans, but again they really need to stop using books to explain away plotholes and instead just work to not have them. Like force copy & Pasting
Using the World Between Worlds still doesn't make sense. WBW has two different interpretations:
A) In TCW it is a pocket dimension outside of time and space like Narnia, you cannot change the timeline, and relatively no time passes as you are in it.
B) In Rebels it is like a Time Portal Gateway that lets you affect past present and future events. Thus you can have time paradoxes and it creates Major Plot Holes.
Time travel only works best if the movie is soley based on it, like Back to the Future, The Time Machine, etc.
My personal headcannon is that Ahsoka sacrificed herself when fighting Vader at that temple thing. A main theme about Star Wars is that you cannot prevent the future or bring people back from the dead, and to accept losses. Sacrifice is the highest action of love one can perform, so to have some McGuffin to undo or alter the timeline loses all character development that person had gone through.
If Rey didnt need a physical portal to access WBW, what's preventing Palpatine from using it, couldn't he have stopped Vader since he is somehow still alive? If the emperor had already known of WBW, wouldn't he have gone to rescue or Support Young Vader before he got burned up in lava thus making him the ultimate apprentice? He had been planning his Take over for over 40 years, he was the mastermind chess player.
Well, that's the sort of thing that should be established in the movie.
Wait, but the last time I checked you had to go through a portal to actually get to the World between Worlds. Otherwise, you'd just be able to constantly hear old Jedi voices in the Jedi temple, wouldn't you?
Also, that doesn't really explain why she'd want to connect with the Jedi of the past in the beginning of the movie then. Like, you don't randomly sit down and try to talk to dead people, do you?
The only logical way for her to learn that it's a practice is because Leia told her, who had heard it from Luke, who found the World between Worlds himself. Then he would logically also pass on the knowledge that that only works in ancient temples, wouldn't he?
And it also doesn't answer why we only hear voices we know. The Jedi have existed for thousands of years and the only ones we hear are from the past 70 years or so?
Do either Leia or Qui-Gon next.
The only good part of EAs battlefront 2 was hearing Luke and Han talk to each other again.
You are so right. Han and Leia split so we could have the walking Cheetoh. Yipes. Just Yipes.
People forget ~He tagged Vader's Tie-Fighter.
WHAT?!?
Instead of meeting Maz and going to Taco FruitLoops, it would have been SO MUCH COOLER if Han - now having the dumbass map to where Luke was - had hooked up with Leia and taken Finn, Rey and BB-8 on some rescue mission to save Luke from a Sith trap or something.
Then, once saved, Luke would see the potential in Rey and take her under his wing and GAWD DAMNIT, WHY DOES THE SEQUEL TRILOGY SUCK SO BADLY!!!!!!!!