I think people have no or at least very little problem with players that are either in their final year of a contract or somewhere close to the end of their deal being "recruited" by other team since they'd be free to sign with any team once their contract ends. The issue really is (and I think what most people are ignoring by focusing on the more obvious free agent side of it) is when it leads to scenarios where players with 2-3 or more years under contract demanding trades specifically to a team that they may have already been in contact with about a further extension beyond it. It makes the whole idea of a contract meaningless if your player can not just force their way out to a team they'd rather be with (effectively free agency for them) and especially worse if it's because another team tried to get them to do that instead of either negotiating a trade normally with their current team or waiting for free agency.
100% Agree on the meaningless contract comment. A couple of ideas: 1. Players that request trade must give up a % of salary and the receiving team then pays the original team that difference as compensation. 10%? 20%? It might make sense for the % to not be fixed but instead the % is determined through arbitration after the trade is made. Without some sort of penalty for requesting a trade, players will always have more control over contracts than teams. The Kawhi / Spurs dispute was a huge loss for the Spurs and a great example of that. 2. Change the free agency period to allow for 1 week negotiation period where contracts cannot be signed, but teams and players are allowed to talk.
I disagree with the contract concept, especially if you just see that part of the money for what it is. ESPECIALLY if its tied to performance incentives like All-NBA team/all-star which are influenced by media/fan voting and such. So what is the use of signing a 'fatter' deal with the home franchise when those incentives can't be met (ask Tatum and Mitchell about losing their sweet 12 million bonus because some media head didn't believe in them being all-NBA team material). In AD's case he maximized how much money he can get out of his 1st extension. But being traded to a new market still having the PO available also allowed him to get an extension from the Lakers in 2020 to get the best money scenario in his new situation. And not every player gets this dreamy scenario with their contracts that in some cases the org stiffs em on anyway. Besides of the cases we've seen of players being moved with 2-3 years left (especially with the PO) like AD the home franchise wasn't doing their best to keep their star elite player happy. I don't expect the player to be loyal when the organization can't reciprocate outside of guaranteed money.
In European football, players(agents) can contact teams in the last 6 months of their contract and there is no restriction unless otherwise stated in their specific contract. This might be a good idea to explore, except that it will cause loyalty problems, injury prevention/lame dog issues, etc. in the NBA where a dishonorable reputation means nothing if you can perform on the court, whereas headcoachesd will bench superstar players for being late to practice in Europe.
Teams that get caught should have to wait an extra few days in future seasons to sign players in free agency. This will at least allow other teams to bring their offers to players.
Two ways IMO: one is just legalize it, it works in soccer, might as well work in the NBA. Two is kind of what Tucker said in the end but a little more official, which would be allow negotiations to start at least a week before players can actually sign deals cause then even if players already have everything worked out, other teams could have a chance of changing their mind, unlikely to help but right now is worse
Exactly Let it happen just like Football across the world the have agents negotiating 24/7 However reward smaller market teams with an extra 10 million in cap space that is only active during the free agency period allowing them to compete with larger market teams
The NBA already has a "negotiation period". The problem described in this video is that teams announce these free agent deals the moment the negotiation period starts. This means that these teams were cheating by negotiating prior to the negotiation period.
@@ItsYouAreNotYour so my team should just be able to call up your team's players? --maybe just talk face to face right after a game and say, "hey bud. Your team stunk it up tonight. Join our team instead. We don't suck." I'm not sure even players would want that allowed.
I like that idea as well but make it so you can’t trade it, or if they investigate that a team did tamper and it’s a big star name they should take a distant 1st round pick and give it to the team that lost the player, make it a distant pick tho like since it’s 2022-2023 make the pick like 2026 or 2027 depending on their circumstances
@@justindavid9979 the team losing their star player isn't going to benefit that much from a compensatory pick, if it's like the MLB would be after the 1st round. Sure there is some value in 2ns rounders but they're not all a Jokic
In my opinion, if a team loses their star player, they deserve to be trash for years. That means they didn't do enough to keep the star happy and winning. Why would you reward a trash organization that doesn't care about their stars or winning?
@@MrE_ That analysis is quite reductive. Kawhi left San Antonio because he wanted to be in Los Angeles, evidenced by leaving Toronto right after a title. There's nothing either San Antonio, nor Toronto could've done to keep him.
Just allow tampering, that seems like the most logical solution and it is too easy for teams to circumvent these kind of rules. The main issue here is that small market teams have very little chances to attract any free agents in general, my solution would be restricting the number of All-star free agents a team can sign in a 5 year period, maybe 2 per 5 years. We should also ban sign in trades as they have been abused in recent years.
All star naming is overrated cause what does make an all star? Voting? So a player that was out of the all star by 1 position can join another team? Nah no
@@diegosmurillo i get your point, if you prefer doing it by salarry and restrict the FA signings that way that would also be an option. But we have to limit the access of the bigger market teams to free agents, they have an unfair advantage and it hurts the league
@@cadrollhunting3564 kinda, that and compensate teams for drafting well, like the Warriors. But players won't want that cause limiting the teams with a max is something players will hate
@@cadrollhunting3564 You know what else hurts just as worse? Small markets having bad FOs. I've watched this league long enough to notice even the Knicks/Lakers/Clippers can have bad FOs but still survive knowing they just need to get the right talents and they can brand their way to the top of relevance again. Where do they get those talents you may ask? Why of course the bad small markets that can't hold onto their great players, build rosters and become perpetual farm systems for said relevant bigger markets with much more to offer.
Sorry if mentioned below but perhaps a 'tampering tax' at a fixed rate or relative to the annual salary of the player(s) it involves. Owners have to then pay more money but also could reduce the contract offer amount they give to the player and make the player less willing to accept it
The fix is pretty easy IMO: Teams that are caught tampering must bench the player they "illegally" acquired for 20 games. This hits teams the hardest as trades that involve tampering are intended to "win now" and this would have a significant impact on that endeavor - even if only for one season.
What about punishing the players? So far we only punish the teams, but if we start punishing both sides it's less likely to happen. Not sure if that will be beneficial in the end though, as players might get more hurt than necessary.
You know, it's funny that Baseball has such a more rich history of scheming, cheating, and skullduggery than Basketball (and almost any other sport) given just how pompous they are about "the integrity of the game" and all that guff. Also, a good punishment would be that the next lottery pick the team that tampered has will be sent to the victim of said tampering. That's a harsh punishment that will actually hurt the perpetrator regardless of whether the acquisition was good.
yeah It's a tough one,I don't even really know how they can proactively even try to stop it. There are so many situations ,like Brunsons dad working for the nicks, the Lebron who can literally just be like "hey ,head over here I got you" it already seems the whole concept of tampering is pretty pointless . i would just scrap the whole concept ,be like ,this is the date signing is permitted. go wild. I mean there's already a salary cap to attempt to prevent too much stacking ,so I feel it has no point to even qualify anything as tampering in such a player forward league. it's already weird enough organizations get fined when players make half the moves themselves anymore ,including bringing friends aboard.
The compensation pick for an FA or forceful trade is an interesting idea. In some leagues, like say Korean Pro Baseball, when Team A signs an FA from Team B, Team A has to form a protection list of players and Team B gets to pick any player from Team A that's not on the list + a cash compensation. The number of players on the list (20-25) and cash compensation depend on the FA player's status rank. This encourages teams to be more strategic in signings and the smaller market teams that lost a FA get to stay competitive if their non-protected compensation pick works out well. Example: NYK signs FA Brunson from Dallas Mavs. NYK protection list (7 players): RJ, Cam, Randle, Quentin, Mitch, Quickly, Fournier Dallas takes: Obi + 15mil in sallery cap.
I always wondered why the possibility to enforce the preferred option between "poaching" a player in return or being awarded either a cash amount (or a nominal amount in extra salary cap, for an equivalent contract duration time, to the detriment of the first team) is not more commonly discussed
@@MrBasketville players fought hard in the courts for a decade to gain free agency with no strings attached. Compensation is strings-attached free agency, making it not really free. If a team loses something to sign a player, that's more of a trade, and it certainly affects the total freedom of a player to switch teams. Imagine if you wanted to leave your job, but your next employer had to pay compensation to hire you. They'd be like, "no thanks".
What about for the player that left because of tampering. They have to donate half of the contact to a charity. And the club still continues to lose a 2nd round pick. Therefore, the player gets punished, and so does the team
I think that once the previous season is over, teams should be allowed to recruit other players and not be able to sign them until the official start of FA. However, if they're keeping the same rules in place, I think that placing a fine on a team's salary cap might work. Idk if a flat fine or a percentage of the contract's AAV would work better but let's say you get caught tampering when signing a player to a $60mil/3yr contract. Your salary gets fined...20% of the AAV for $8mil. That $8mil is now just added to your team salary for that season but you don't have to actually pay the fine. So you have $8mil less before hitting the hard cap and the luxury tax threshold. Essentially, you now get one player for the price of two.
Teams find the loophole of players are able to talk to fellow players and recruit them without any restrictions. GMs can convince their star player to go and recruit a buddy so they’re essentially entering contract negotiations through a loophole back door. The compensatory pick idea is flawed because a disgruntled player on the final year of their deal wouldn’t be traded (Ben Simmons x Harden trade) because the team would benefit from an extra pick and also having the cap space from that contract expiring. I know in 2K MyLeague, there is a “Free Agent Moratorium” where you can negotiate contracts with a player for 3 days before they can officially sign the contract and they can make verbal agreements. Then at 6:01 the day free agency starts, 20 contracts will be signed and submitted because the deal would’ve been negotiated a week in advance but every team gets that same period. I think 3-4 days is the best time period for this as it would de-incentivise teams from tampering and so tampering before that moratorium period starts should be a much more substantial penalty, like having 10mil taken from your cap space for the season or losing your FIRST round pick and having it go to the player’s previous team (so if the Magic were caught tampering before moratorium last season with, for example, James Harden, then Philly would’ve had the number 1 pick). Teams then would have no reason to risk tampering and would suffer a much harsher penalty for doing so, which, while not particularly bad for a team like Boston, still sacrifices a 1st round pick, of which there are some good young players there.
I think taking away a pick 1st or 2nd doesn't hurt the team it hurts the kid trying to make the league and now there is one less spot for them to try and get. Some other team should get that 2nd maybe the team that the player left
How tampering ends will be voiding of contract and being banned from going back to that team for the length of what the voided contract would have been.
It needs be multiple methods A: if a team loses pick, award it to team which lost player in tampering B: leave a week between start of free agency and when agreements can be done. Allow for team which could lose player time to negotiate or even other teams to negotiate C: nfl style compensatory picks which can be slotted at end of first round, middle of second round or end of second round based on value as well as other factors like how important player was to old team, new team change in value, or whether old team was involved in tampering themselves D: repeat offenders should lose multiple picks E: salary cap reduction for offenders and increase for team that lost player Value loss or gain should be calculated via changes that are observed in metrics as well as anticipated changes based on some data analytics
I remembered a time where Minnesota Timberwolves got 5 first round picks taken away then reduce to 3 for Joe Smith tampering, this is what really happens when you get caught cheating in the NBA
Different situation but the cheating was more towards the CBA and undermining the salary cap. Plus Stern is a more heavy handed commissioner in his time so this extreme example is not outside of him. Stern also voided Smith's 3 contract years and his bird rights were taken away. Which in other cases would have given the Wolves first dibs to resign him back anyway. So he became a FA and after a year stint with the Pistons, he would go back to the T-wolves on a 6 yr/36 million contract. T-Wolves/Glen Taylor made a bad deal through and through with that situation.
If you can’t stop tampering wholesale I think they should try giving small market teams their own advantage. I’m not sure what advantage you could give them that would be fair but, I think it would help balance out the league between small and big markets.
There's no such thing as small markets in today's nba. The whole big/small market thing was about an individual players ability to sign local endorsement deals AND a franchises ability to make and spend more money on players. But now players get contracts from international companies all day long for tens to hundreds of millions of dollars no matter what team they are on and the cba has taken care of unfair spending by teams. There's no large/small market anymore.
@@CJ_Espinoza Oh yah, the Lakers are just signing big name free agents left and right aren't they? They're not. They're having a hard time signing c grade 2nd string players. And even if the Lakers specifically were, why wouldn't it be due to legacy or better yet, contention as we always see? I don't understand the issue here, what i highlighted was what the defining differences were between big and small markets, those things don't exist anymore, they have not in a long time. It just continues to be lazily used by people.
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 I’ll admit the gap between big and small markets have shrunk over the years but, it wouldn’t be accurate to say it doesn’t exist at all. Remember how bad the Lakers were before they signed Lebron and traded for AD? You think Lebron would go to any other market with a team as mid as the Lakers were at the time? I doubt he would’ve given markets like Charolette or New Orleans the same opportunity even if they had identical team circumstances. It’s all about the location and the brand that gives those markets an advantage. Players can make more money off promotions if they play for a major city like Los Angeles vs a smaller one like Portland for example. We’ve seen many smaller market teams with better circumstances get overlooked by free agents for the big names. It’s why teams like the Lakers are constantly in the media’s eye no matter how bad they are. Whereas you have teams like Denver that get next to no positive press despite having a 2 time MVP and being the best in their conference.
@@CJ_Espinoza Lebron went to Miami while they were questionable and then back to cleveland. I think Lebron is willing to go anywhere that will give him the keys to the car or at least allow him to drive on the weekends, and he has people in the FO he trusts and can work with. Going to the Lakers had absolutely nothing to do with the Lakers being a "bigger market" Lebron went there loving the idea of being a shadow GM with Magic Johnson. Here's the problem,you cannot actually put this into perspective in favor of the idea of big and small markets. If you were to compile a list of unrestricted and restricted FAs "stars" who signed over the last 20 years, less than 10% would go to the five largest markets. Oh, and travel, i forgot that one of the things that helped sell "big markets" was travel restrictions and time of a pre-2000 USA. But now, we've see players in cleveland wake up, fly to Miami for a knee drain, and make their PO game before 7pm. "We’ve seen many smaller market teams with better circumstances get overlooked by free agents for the big names. It’s why teams like the Lakers are constantly in the media’s eye no matter how bad they are. Whereas you have teams like Denver that get next to no positive press despite having a 2 time MVP and being the best in their conference." So where are the Lakers great FA signings? Their biggest issue is a total lack of depth. How many amazing star FA signings did they get when they needed to surround Kobe with stars to win a title? Sign... not trade, sign......... not one. I take that back, they signed an aging Artest for an MLE. But who else? Again, the whole big/small market thing comes from two very different era's. The beginning being the 70s, when you had like 5 good teams and then... i don't even remember how many teams back then, like 22 i think. So you then had 17 other teams who didnt do anything and where basically filler teams, teams who were lucky to have a 15ppg guy on it. At that time, most players (even in the "big" markes) relied mostly on local commercials and endorsements. So you want to be in a big market because you'd be making more there than what your nba contract was for. For the owners/franchise, a "big market" meant they were more likely to sell out arena's or at least, more tickets. A bigger city would most likely mean bigger tax subsidies. A bigger city means more and more expensive regional television deals. And a bigger city means more jersey sales. etc etc etc And of course once again travel is an issue here, if you're in a big market, you have more travel options. I will also include a greater access to medical facilities and doctors. But again, after 2000, all of this stuff was cleared up and different approaches were taken. Now players don't even need endorsements and while they still do them, they are second or even third on their income priorities. I mean, i don't want to go back down the list explaining how these things changed, im sure you know what most of the modern equivalents/standards are for the things mentioned above. I will say this though, the nail in the coffin for the big market/small market concept was the restructuring in 20......2012? of the cost of going over the hard cap. Before any major city could be 100 mill over the cap and be fine. Now, every team can be over the hc for 2 or maybe 3 seasons out of 10, but no more, they cant afford it. That was the last vestige of anything we could consider big or small market.
The MLB and NFL both have a compensatory pick system and teams in those leagues are not as effected negatively as NBA teams are effected by losing star level players. So it would make some sense. If losing an all-star caliber player, perhaps gain a pick at the end of the lottery, with other comp picks happening at the end of the 1st or end of the 2nd depending on the contract the leaving player gets from his new team. If said team doesn't replace the player with a similarly valued player (Kyrie out, Kemba in for instance).
The thing is the NFL and MLB have much more draft rounds than the NBA. A draft pick in the NBA is just so much more valuable, mid to bottom of the second round of the draft i think is fair but any 1st round picks? Idk that might be a bit too much
@@emanuelmartinez7267 The pick that became Magic Johnson was acquired by the Lakers from the Jazz as compensation for the Jazz signing Laker free agent Gail Goodrich. The NBA already tried many paths in free agency. The NBA are actually the leaders of the major sports in that department. It's been decades of fine tuning. Looking to other leagues is like looking backwards for the NBA.
Maybe the NBA could give out phones specifically used for negotiations and no other method of contact is allowed. Like if a player goes to another team the moment free agency starts the league could check into NBA issued phones and if they find little to no messages negotiating with that player on those phones it's a pretty tell tale signs they were tampering
So no one can talk to each other ever, except with these phones? The main problem is these clicks and secondary people talking. Like someone connected to an agent or a team, but not employed by the team, talks to a player, or a player's friend or associate. Another problem is players talking to each other, like when Kyrie and KD talked to each other during the season before their free agency.
NBA free agency originally involved compensatory picks. Magic Johnson, for example, was acquired as a future 1st round pick as compensation for the Jazz signing of Lakers' free agent Gail Goodrich.
Just legalize tampering after a player's contract is up and their season is over, in the case of Jalen Brunson or Lonzo Ball, they had fulfilled their contract with their current team and if the team wished to retain them, they can negotiate out a deal just like every other team in the league
They should suspend the player for 40 games without pay if it is proven that there was a tampering. This will make players shy away from talking to anyone with regards to player movment or negotiating.
The issue with tampering and for example, when the Bulls signed Lonzo. The Bulls were punished but not the Pelicans. Even though the Pelicans had to agree to the sign and trade. So even if there is tampering, it takes two teams. Not like the Bulls walked into the Pelicans GM office and said "this is what we want and you have to do it" both teams are complicate
A hard cap like the NFL has will be the only way to bridge the gap between the large and small markets. I have no clue how to resolve the guarantee salary part of this though.
I think it needs to be severe punishment. A first to the team that was tampered with that has protections for the team getting the pick. If a heavily protected first gets moved, it restricts what that big market team is allowed to trade and that’s the real punishment. A top 20 protected pick or something like that.
Just an idea, but what if they just veto the trade all together if found guilty of tampering and ban that player from joining the team for like 3/4 years?
In soccer/football, if a player is in the final year of his contract and the team won't resign that player or he doesn't like the deal or whatever, they are open to negotiate a deal wherever and join that club once his deal is up. I think tampering ahead of free agency is normal and should be allowed. I don't wanna see those AD situations. It got Lebron a ring so it's fine subjectively but in the grand scheme of things it's bad for the league. But you can also argue you shouldn't waste your career on a bad team. And the pels were trash. They didn't make the necessary moves to maximize AD. It's a case by case basis. But who can really judge what a player views as a good or a bad situation. Overall a tough decision to make
nice vid. - I just wanted to give you some advice on your green screen. There is an effect called "spill suppressor" that can remove the green spill on your cheeks and beard. Or you could add a lite magenta light as a rim light and that should help the green screen coming through.
The MLB has this same problem. A good example is the Oakland A’s basically just being a talent farm for teams like the Yankees because of the market sizes. I don’t think it’ll ever be solved. It’s the nature of salaries and sports when they’re based on markets and team by team income
I would recommend forcing the team to pay equal to that player’s first year salary in penalty to the NBA (to be used of recharging of whatever, doesn’t matter). That seems like a fair penalty. Also, a lot of those first minute contracts being reported as agreed upon is fine, you will initiate the contract often isn’t signed until a few days to over a week later. So technically they aren’t breaking any rules. It’s just the twitter leakers spreading rumors as fast they can for attention.
What makes the most sense to me is getting rid of tampering all together, but if you're going to enforce it then really do it. A first round pick isn't enough. If I'm in an NBA front office I'd risk a first round pick every year to get a big name free agent or even one that'll fit my team. If you can prove the allegation then cancel the players contract, revoke the trade, and make it so that player can't sign with or be traded there for a couple of years. Sure the teams will hide their tampering even more, but I'd be less concerned with the talking, and more concerned about the player signing a contract in an unreasonably short time after free agency has started not giving other teams the time to make their case. But I wouldn't have a problem if the player didn't want to take a meeting with any other team in that window of time.
The current system smashes small market teams. The superstars all want to be in the big markets and as a result it is a rarity for small market teams to win a championship.
Lets look at Klutch for one. Signing coaches, media and players and getting them to LA is straight out tampering within the rules. They need to stop that type of nonsense. Now tampering over all has been talking to players earlier then they should. BUT having my buddy or other player do it is Legal... it is hard to stop and silly to hit people who spoke to players to early really hard.
I think you missed the point of why tampering is a bad deal Big market teams just bennefit to much from tampering, it is easier to get good players to sign to your team when you are a big market Smaller teams just wouldn’t be able to survive in a leaugue likr that, so, don’t legalise it
Why not undo the trade/signing? Like with Jalen Brunson, sure they took a 2nd round pick but why is Brunson still in new york? Just invalidate the contract so both player and organization who were involved are punished
Give Dallas the Knicks 2nd round pick that was lost. That way they get compensated reasonably and there’s not one less young kid getting drafted to the NBA
Now leagues have a new problem. Any form of cheating that effects an outcome that people gamble on becomes a big issue. Previously people might have noticed some minor form of cheating and just not cared but if it can impact gambling it is now a problem.
Reduce their first round pick. So their pick falls 5 spots or something like that. So if they end up with the 6th pick, they get the 11th pick and picks 11-7 move up one spot each
That's not an equitable punishment though - going into FA the team that gets a top 5 pick wouldn't take the risk and drop out but a team picking in the mid to late 20s would absolutely take their chances, meaning the best teams continue to get better whilst the bottom teams struggle to develop
Tampering is a stupid rule. Who wouldn't want another superstar on their team? It's stupid. You need to pretend to be silent against something fundamentally completely normal. It's a bidding war.
tampering happens anyway and its hard to prove the only way to fix it is to make it illegal for players of other teams to talk to each other, and we all know its not gonna happen the only team this rule is not benefitting, are the teams that choose to play by the rules
As a Bulls fan, I don't really understand your point. Two of the biggest markets, Chi and NY, have been awful my entire life except a few years with d rose. The league has never been more equal than this year. The league is for entertainment and it wants rating, whatever gets ratings is gonna stay
The answer to tampering is easy and I don't understand why NBA isn't doing it. When Free Agency opens make it so it only opens talking to the Free Agents and no players can be signed for 2 weeks. This would give every franchise a chance to get an offer in to whatever upcoming Free Agent they are interested in. It's BS that teams can't even talk to them until they already have a done deal in place. A 2 week negotiation period would give every team a shot at any Free Agent.
I think something along the line among the compensatory pick, but instead of that just give the pick lost to the team with the players lost. For example give the Mavs the 2nd the knicks forfeited
Commissioner Adam Silver himself said it's not tampering if players recruit opposing players. Old heads like Jordan, Barkley, Ewing, Bird, Magic, etc. think it's disgusting that modern players are all buddy-buddies and kumbaya with each other. The NBA knows it can reap the highest revenue when, not if, but when the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, or Warriors are making a Finals push. The late commissioner Stern admitted that a Lakers-Celtics Finals matchup is best for the NBA. Then there's the issue of a player being a de-facto owner of a sports agency (LeBron basically owning Clutch Sports on the DL). It's long been known that powerful agents with All-Star client portfolios spanning several franchises are the greatest tampering offenders of all. Teams are most afraid of such agents and their agency (Rich Paul, LeBron, and Clutch sports). Even rival players are afraid of LeBron and his ability to tank their trade value, like he destroyed JR Smith and Dwight Howard's NBA market value.
Idk how the taking away a draft pick for the team caught tempering actually works but why not just force the team thats caught to give their second round pick to the team that was effected and if they don't have any 2nd picks they have to give up cash worth the 1st year of a second round picks salary. With that extra pick they can either choose to immediately start rebuilding and finding a potential steal or use them as trade fodder, with that extra cash they could sign a player that might have been outside their price range prior
Cash is for suckers in NBA transactions. Cash considerations been one of the prime jokes in trade transactions for over a decade. Price range isn't the only thing that gate keeps an org from a 'ideal' player to sign. Ideally said top 20 player may not wanna play for a podunk spot like OKC, Cleveland or Charlotte and doesn't like their future situation. Finding a better way to 'punish' I feel isn't the best solution especially when these big market teams know the role and will just horde 2nd/protected 1sts from mid spots. In the end the prize they care for is better talent that would come to them than smaller markets because the small markets don't know how to keep their players and end up being developmental systems for big markets anyway. A small market with a bad FO is destined for futility regardless of how many more 'bonuses' you can give them.
Hey, Hard to punish what you encourage...Just look at 12th place Lakers make the opening highlights ever night and every disgruntled player should be traded to the Lakers for their 2027 1RP...Crazy talk...Make a team lose their next eligible two 1RPs they control...Or that player cannot be traded for the life of that contract...Then they are stuck with that tampered player, so it better be worth it...That will stop it...👍
I am not an American and not well versed in your culture but I firmly believe tampering should be completely legal. Like 100% so. Allow players to negotiate, allow teams to try and affect them etc. Do you think you will be able to make Curry leave the Warriors in the past 5 years. Do you think you will be able to make Manu, Duncan or Parker leave their Spurs? I doubt it. Who does this law protect? Teams that are not willing to put their players in the best spot. As a non-American I do not really understand the greed that leads people to huge market teams to begin with and I guess tampering being legal will benefit these teams even more but I feel that it is up to the player if they will be persuaded to take some action or not. If you cold make Lopez or Chris Middleton leave the Bucks and join your team, more power to you.
Let them start negotiations once that players season ends but dont let them sign until the free agency start time. That way multiple teams get a chance to negotiate. More lenient rules but id go with a harsher punishment if caught tampering during the active season. Like rewarding the tampered with team the tampering teams 2nd rd pick and maybe a fine.
I think a interesting long term punishment is basically locking a tampering team out of the lottery. Say the… Knicks get caught tampering. Instead of punishing them immediately, the punishment should be much more long term and not going to affect the immediate future. For example, let’s say it takes them 8 years to fall back into the lottery again. When that day does come, the NBA’s punishment kicks in and the Knicks are cut out of the lottery (say, give them the first pick outside the lottery). This process ensures that there are long term consequences for cheatintg, that the immediate on-court product isn’t damaged too much, and that when the day does come that punishment is due, that the team in question doesn’t try to blatantly tank because their pick will be capped at 15.
What I really don't get is, especially if a team already has a player locked in to a new deal, why there is an urgency to announce the consummated deals very early on? If I already had, say, Lowry in the bag, I'd just chill for a couple of hours and THEN announce the deal. That gets the league off my back!
I agree but with a future first round pick on a Year that they are going to be the lottery pick should be the consequence which helps lessen both Tampering and Tanking at the same time
A greater point on cheating in the NBA is the potentially profuse usage of blood doping, HGH, and other forms of PEDs probably rampant amongst players like LeBron James and as far back as Kobe Bryant. Love the game, but the unfair advantage in recovery and stamina some players get compared to others is something that cannot be overlooked.
My idea 1) Allow for the teams to negotiate with their free agents and sign deals prior to the open free agency (yes this can happen as soon as a team is eliminated from finals contention) 2) Take away the next available controllable first round pick if found guilty of tampering (Ex, Wolves would be giving up 2024 pick because they gave up their 2023) 3) Start free agency 7 days after the conclusion of the NBA Finals, draft would be 4 days afterwards. Allows for little incentive to be so quick about spotting free agents and waiting it out for 1 week especially with having concerns with draft very close
What about lowering a team's salary cap by X (1-5 pct) for X amount (2-3) of years for tampering? Make the penalty hit the big markets in the spot they have the advantage, the money.
@@erenjager4698 Lakers and Clippers definitely, but I think even with the Nets they very recently started attracting superstars. I think even Jason Kidd and Deron Williams were traded there rather than selecting that team themselves.
3 home games teams play without fans. Or if they reach playoffs then bump them down 2 spots. Player and club that tampered , lets say in pacific division. Ban player to sign contract with any team in that division for 5 years. But if player is a free agent next year, he is not signing new contract. Than he is free to talk with any other team.
If you tamper and break the rules you should lose ur first round pick it helps teams who are in small markets because we can’t get those top 5 free agents. I’m tired of these big markets having a monopoly in this league of talent.
I don’t have problems when teams and player talk at any time. I really don’t like watching players hold out and do not play when they are under contract
If you're caught tampering and there's solid proof of it then the player becomes an unrestricted free agent immediately regardless of if the team signed him as a free agent or traded for him. Team that was tampering can't try to sign the player for 1 year. Is it extremely harsh? Yes and that's why it would work. Nobody is going to tamper with a big free agent if there's a chance they could lose them mid season. Imagine if it came out Philly tampered with Harden and had to release him but wouldn't get back everything they traded away. They'd never tamper again.
Why not just allowing teams to negotiate with players like 2 weeks in advance of the actual free agent signing day? That way,teams would not negotiate with players while they are competing (which is,i believe,the reason of this rule's existance), every team would have a fair shot at free agents (because even if a player has already an illegal agreement with some team, 2 weeks is enough time to try and persuade someone) and you could end that 6.01 PM signings controversy
All teams tamper to some extent. The punishment is not harsh enough to deter anything so up the punishment to 1st rounder,cash and a extra pick for the other team,or that teams pick
Cheaters should be fined the equivalent of the value of the contract signed and the money should go to the team with the least draft picks. That'll put an end to pre-negotiations really fast.
i think they should fix the luxury tax on self drafted players by giving 50% reduction of max contracts given to self drafted players. That should give more movement to smaller markets as punishment for handing them out is less.
Punish bigger markets harder. Punishment is based on income / attendance for the franchise. If we want a league where everyone has at least a shot at building a championship team then we can crack down harder on the teams where players and money go anyway. Wouldn't end tampering but would at least try to balance the league a bit more.
this is a misconception, as an agent, you can talk contracts all year and these players are not in contact with organizations, so it is fair, contract talks do not start with the player until the set date, however, agents can and do talk to all teams. It is fair to keep this happening as these rumors keep the league active all year and generation news.
Maybe if their found tampering they can limit the time they can have in next years free agency so like they only get 12 hours and start 12 hours after everyone else already started,
Without increasing the pay to the player, increase the cost of the contract by 10% for luxury tax calculations. This would benefit most teams. If you tamper AND are not a tax payer, then your kickback is reduced by that percentage.
I think people have no or at least very little problem with players that are either in their final year of a contract or somewhere close to the end of their deal being "recruited" by other team since they'd be free to sign with any team once their contract ends.
The issue really is (and I think what most people are ignoring by focusing on the more obvious free agent side of it) is when it leads to scenarios where players with 2-3 or more years under contract demanding trades specifically to a team that they may have already been in contact with about a further extension beyond it. It makes the whole idea of a contract meaningless if your player can not just force their way out to a team they'd rather be with (effectively free agency for them) and especially worse if it's because another team tried to get them to do that instead of either negotiating a trade normally with their current team or waiting for free agency.
Exactly, final year on contract it is okay to some extent, but if it is more than that they need to give out harsher punishments.
Tbf most of the time it’s genuinely just teams that have no ambition with a ambitious player that’s unhappy
100% Agree on the meaningless contract comment.
A couple of ideas:
1. Players that request trade must give up a % of salary and the receiving team then pays the original team that difference as compensation. 10%? 20%? It might make sense for the % to not be fixed but instead the % is determined through arbitration after the trade is made. Without some sort of penalty for requesting a trade, players will always have more control over contracts than teams. The Kawhi / Spurs dispute was a huge loss for the Spurs and a great example of that.
2. Change the free agency period to allow for 1 week negotiation period where contracts cannot be signed, but teams and players are allowed to talk.
I disagree with the contract concept, especially if you just see that part of the money for what it is. ESPECIALLY if its tied to performance incentives like All-NBA team/all-star which are influenced by media/fan voting and such. So what is the use of signing a 'fatter' deal with the home franchise when those incentives can't be met (ask Tatum and Mitchell about losing their sweet 12 million bonus because some media head didn't believe in them being all-NBA team material). In AD's case he maximized how much money he can get out of his 1st extension. But being traded to a new market still having the PO available also allowed him to get an extension from the Lakers in 2020 to get the best money scenario in his new situation. And not every player gets this dreamy scenario with their contracts that in some cases the org stiffs em on anyway. Besides of the cases we've seen of players being moved with 2-3 years left (especially with the PO) like AD the home franchise wasn't doing their best to keep their star elite player happy. I don't expect the player to be loyal when the organization can't reciprocate outside of guaranteed money.
In European football, players(agents) can contact teams in the last 6 months of their contract and there is no restriction unless otherwise stated in their specific contract. This might be a good idea to explore, except that it will cause loyalty problems, injury prevention/lame dog issues, etc. in the NBA where a dishonorable reputation means nothing if you can perform on the court, whereas headcoachesd will bench superstar players for being late to practice in Europe.
Teams that get caught should have to wait an extra few days in future seasons to sign players in free agency. This will at least allow other teams to bring their offers to players.
Why?
When every team is doing this, why not alter the rules?
Two ways IMO: one is just legalize it, it works in soccer, might as well work in the NBA. Two is kind of what Tucker said in the end but a little more official, which would be allow negotiations to start at least a week before players can actually sign deals cause then even if players already have everything worked out, other teams could have a chance of changing their mind, unlikely to help but right now is worse
Exactly
Let it happen just like Football across the world the have agents negotiating 24/7
However reward smaller market teams with an extra 10 million in cap space that is only active during the free agency period allowing them to compete with larger market teams
It's a stupid rule. Ridiculous rule and it happens anyway and hard to prove. Considering it cheating is odd.
The NBA already has a "negotiation period". The problem described in this video is that teams announce these free agent deals the moment the negotiation period starts. This means that these teams were cheating by negotiating prior to the negotiation period.
@@ItsYouAreNotYour so my team should just be able to call up your team's players? --maybe just talk face to face right after a game and say, "hey bud. Your team stunk it up tonight. Join our team instead. We don't suck." I'm not sure even players would want that allowed.
The compensatory pick idea is the best one I've heard. Give teams that lose players in FA something to ease their pain.
both teams will benefit, which puts the other 28 at a slight disadvantage
I like that idea as well but make it so you can’t trade it, or if they investigate that a team did tamper and it’s a big star name they should take a distant 1st round pick and give it to the team that lost the player, make it a distant pick tho like since it’s 2022-2023 make the pick like 2026 or 2027 depending on their circumstances
@@justindavid9979 the team losing their star player isn't going to benefit that much from a compensatory pick, if it's like the MLB would be after the 1st round. Sure there is some value in 2ns rounders but they're not all a Jokic
In my opinion, if a team loses their star player, they deserve to be trash for years. That means they didn't do enough to keep the star happy and winning. Why would you reward a trash organization that doesn't care about their stars or winning?
@@MrE_ That analysis is quite reductive. Kawhi left San Antonio because he wanted to be in Los Angeles, evidenced by leaving Toronto right after a title. There's nothing either San Antonio, nor Toronto could've done to keep him.
Just allow tampering, that seems like the most logical solution and it is too easy for teams to circumvent these kind of rules. The main issue here is that small market teams have very little chances to attract any free agents in general, my solution would be restricting the number of All-star free agents a team can sign in a 5 year period, maybe 2 per 5 years. We should also ban sign in trades as they have been abused in recent years.
This is dumb
All star naming is overrated cause what does make an all star? Voting? So a player that was out of the all star by 1 position can join another team? Nah no
@@diegosmurillo i get your point, if you prefer doing it by salarry and restrict the FA signings that way that would also be an option. But we have to limit the access of the bigger market teams to free agents, they have an unfair advantage and it hurts the league
@@cadrollhunting3564 kinda, that and compensate teams for drafting well, like the Warriors. But players won't want that cause limiting the teams with a max is something players will hate
@@cadrollhunting3564 You know what else hurts just as worse? Small markets having bad FOs. I've watched this league long enough to notice even the Knicks/Lakers/Clippers can have bad FOs but still survive knowing they just need to get the right talents and they can brand their way to the top of relevance again. Where do they get those talents you may ask? Why of course the bad small markets that can't hold onto their great players, build rosters and become perpetual farm systems for said relevant bigger markets with much more to offer.
The free agency tampering doesn't make sense. Once the season is over they should be free to negotiate.
In many cases the negotiations have been going on during the season though. Sometimes the seed is planted years in advance.
Sorry if mentioned below but perhaps a 'tampering tax' at a fixed rate or relative to the annual salary of the player(s) it involves. Owners have to then pay more money but also could reduce the contract offer amount they give to the player and make the player less willing to accept it
The fix is pretty easy IMO: Teams that are caught tampering must bench the player they "illegally" acquired for 20 games. This hits teams the hardest as trades that involve tampering are intended to "win now" and this would have a significant impact on that endeavor - even if only for one season.
That hurts the player more than the team. Tampering is mostly Team-side initiated as I understand it so no reason to punish the players.
What about punishing the players? So far we only punish the teams, but if we start punishing both sides it's less likely to happen. Not sure if that will be beneficial in the end though, as players might get more hurt than necessary.
Move the first round pick to the equivalent spot in the second round if caught. Make the picks also untradeable.
Tampering is a joke and the moves to make it seem an enforced rule are ridiculous. They should just make it legal
Don’t forget about Lawrence Frank and the clippers organization going to near every raptors games lmao
You know, it's funny that Baseball has such a more rich history of scheming, cheating, and skullduggery than Basketball (and almost any other sport) given just how pompous they are about "the integrity of the game" and all that guff.
Also, a good punishment would be that the next lottery pick the team that tampered has will be sent to the victim of said tampering. That's a harsh punishment that will actually hurt the perpetrator regardless of whether the acquisition was good.
yeah It's a tough one,I don't even really know how they can proactively even try to stop it. There are so many situations ,like Brunsons dad working for the nicks, the Lebron who can literally just be like "hey ,head over here I got you" it already seems the whole concept of tampering is pretty pointless . i would just scrap the whole concept ,be like ,this is the date signing is permitted. go wild. I mean there's already a salary cap to attempt to prevent too much stacking ,so I feel it has no point to even qualify anything as tampering in such a player forward league. it's already weird enough organizations get fined when players make half the moves themselves anymore ,including bringing friends aboard.
The compensation pick for an FA or forceful trade is an interesting idea. In some leagues, like say Korean Pro Baseball, when Team A signs an FA from Team B, Team A has to form a protection list of players and Team B gets to pick any player from Team A that's not on the list + a cash compensation. The number of players on the list (20-25) and cash compensation depend on the FA player's status rank. This encourages teams to be more strategic in signings and the smaller market teams that lost a FA get to stay competitive if their non-protected compensation pick works out well.
Example: NYK signs FA Brunson from Dallas Mavs.
NYK protection list (7 players): RJ, Cam, Randle, Quentin, Mitch, Quickly, Fournier
Dallas takes: Obi + 15mil in sallery cap.
I always wondered why the possibility to enforce the preferred option between "poaching" a player in return or being awarded either a cash amount (or a nominal amount in extra salary cap, for an equivalent contract duration time, to the detriment of the first team) is not more commonly discussed
@@MrBasketville players fought hard in the courts for a decade to gain free agency with no strings attached. Compensation is strings-attached free agency, making it not really free. If a team loses something to sign a player, that's more of a trade, and it certainly affects the total freedom of a player to switch teams. Imagine if you wanted to leave your job, but your next employer had to pay compensation to hire you. They'd be like, "no thanks".
What about for the player that left because of tampering. They have to donate half of the contact to a charity. And the club still continues to lose a 2nd round pick. Therefore, the player gets punished, and so does the team
I think that once the previous season is over, teams should be allowed to recruit other players and not be able to sign them until the official start of FA. However, if they're keeping the same rules in place, I think that placing a fine on a team's salary cap might work.
Idk if a flat fine or a percentage of the contract's AAV would work better but let's say you get caught tampering when signing a player to a $60mil/3yr contract. Your salary gets fined...20% of the AAV for $8mil. That $8mil is now just added to your team salary for that season but you don't have to actually pay the fine. So you have $8mil less before hitting the hard cap and the luxury tax threshold. Essentially, you now get one player for the price of two.
Teams find the loophole of players are able to talk to fellow players and recruit them without any restrictions. GMs can convince their star player to go and recruit a buddy so they’re essentially entering contract negotiations through a loophole back door. The compensatory pick idea is flawed because a disgruntled player on the final year of their deal wouldn’t be traded (Ben Simmons x Harden trade) because the team would benefit from an extra pick and also having the cap space from that contract expiring. I know in 2K MyLeague, there is a “Free Agent Moratorium” where you can negotiate contracts with a player for 3 days before they can officially sign the contract and they can make verbal agreements. Then at 6:01 the day free agency starts, 20 contracts will be signed and submitted because the deal would’ve been negotiated a week in advance but every team gets that same period. I think 3-4 days is the best time period for this as it would de-incentivise teams from tampering and so tampering before that moratorium period starts should be a much more substantial penalty, like having 10mil taken from your cap space for the season or losing your FIRST round pick and having it go to the player’s previous team (so if the Magic were caught tampering before moratorium last season with, for example, James Harden, then Philly would’ve had the number 1 pick). Teams then would have no reason to risk tampering and would suffer a much harsher penalty for doing so, which, while not particularly bad for a team like Boston, still sacrifices a 1st round pick, of which there are some good young players there.
I think taking away a pick 1st or 2nd doesn't hurt the team it hurts the kid trying to make the league and now there is one less spot for them to try and get. Some other team should get that 2nd maybe the team that the player left
Instead of taking away completely, could just dump the pick to be the last pick of 2nd round.
How tampering ends will be voiding of contract and being banned from going back to that team for the length of what the voided contract would have been.
It needs be multiple methods
A: if a team loses pick, award it to team which lost player in tampering
B: leave a week between start of free agency and when agreements can be done. Allow for team which could lose player time to negotiate or even other teams to negotiate
C: nfl style compensatory picks which can be slotted at end of first round, middle of second round or end of second round based on value as well as other factors like how important player was to old team, new team change in value, or whether old team was involved in tampering themselves
D: repeat offenders should lose multiple picks
E: salary cap reduction for offenders and increase for team that lost player
Value loss or gain should be calculated via changes that are observed in metrics as well as anticipated changes based on some data analytics
Remove the rule, policing this is not possible, you basically will have to monitor players 24/7.
The NBA should do a legal tampering period similar to what the NFL does a couple weeks before free agency starts.
I remembered a time where Minnesota Timberwolves got 5 first round picks taken away then reduce to 3 for Joe Smith tampering, this is what really happens when you get caught cheating in the NBA
Different situation but the cheating was more towards the CBA and undermining the salary cap. Plus Stern is a more heavy handed commissioner in his time so this extreme example is not outside of him. Stern also voided Smith's 3 contract years and his bird rights were taken away. Which in other cases would have given the Wolves first dibs to resign him back anyway. So he became a FA and after a year stint with the Pistons, he would go back to the T-wolves on a 6 yr/36 million contract. T-Wolves/Glen Taylor made a bad deal through and through with that situation.
If you can’t stop tampering wholesale I think they should try giving small market teams their own advantage. I’m not sure what advantage you could give them that would be fair but, I think it would help balance out the league between small and big markets.
There's no such thing as small markets in today's nba.
The whole big/small market thing was about an individual players ability to sign local endorsement deals AND a franchises ability to make and spend more money on players.
But now players get contracts from international companies all day long for tens to hundreds of millions of dollars no matter what team they are on and the cba has taken care of unfair spending by teams.
There's no large/small market anymore.
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 then why are big name players still willing to take smaller contracts from teams like the Lakers?
@@CJ_Espinoza Oh yah, the Lakers are just signing big name free agents left and right aren't they?
They're not. They're having a hard time signing c grade 2nd string players.
And even if the Lakers specifically were, why wouldn't it be due to legacy or better yet, contention as we always see?
I don't understand the issue here, what i highlighted was what the defining differences were between big and small markets, those things don't exist anymore, they have not in a long time. It just continues to be lazily used by people.
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 I’ll admit the gap between big and small markets have shrunk over the years but, it wouldn’t be accurate to say it doesn’t exist at all.
Remember how bad the Lakers were before they signed Lebron and traded for AD? You think Lebron would go to any other market with a team as mid as the Lakers were at the time? I doubt he would’ve given markets like Charolette or New Orleans the same opportunity even if they had identical team circumstances. It’s all about the location and the brand that gives those markets an advantage. Players can make more money off promotions if they play for a major city like Los Angeles vs a smaller one like Portland for example. We’ve seen many smaller market teams with better circumstances get overlooked by free agents for the big names. It’s why teams like the Lakers are constantly in the media’s eye no matter how bad they are. Whereas you have teams like Denver that get next to no positive press despite having a 2 time MVP and being the best in their conference.
@@CJ_Espinoza Lebron went to Miami while they were questionable and then back to cleveland. I think Lebron is willing to go anywhere that will give him the keys to the car or at least allow him to drive on the weekends, and he has people in the FO he trusts and can work with.
Going to the Lakers had absolutely nothing to do with the Lakers being a "bigger market" Lebron went there loving the idea of being a shadow GM with Magic Johnson.
Here's the problem,you cannot actually put this into perspective in favor of the idea of big and small markets.
If you were to compile a list of unrestricted and restricted FAs "stars" who signed over the last 20 years, less than 10% would go to the five largest markets.
Oh, and travel, i forgot that one of the things that helped sell "big markets" was travel restrictions and time of a pre-2000 USA. But now, we've see players in cleveland wake up, fly to Miami for a knee drain, and make their PO game before 7pm.
"We’ve seen many smaller market teams with better circumstances get overlooked by free agents for the big names. It’s why teams like the Lakers are constantly in the media’s eye no matter how bad they are. Whereas you have teams like Denver that get next to no positive press despite having a 2 time MVP and being the best in their conference."
So where are the Lakers great FA signings? Their biggest issue is a total lack of depth. How many amazing star FA signings did they get when they needed to surround Kobe with stars to win a title? Sign... not trade, sign......... not one. I take that back, they signed an aging Artest for an MLE. But who else?
Again, the whole big/small market thing comes from two very different era's. The beginning being the 70s, when you had like 5 good teams and then... i don't even remember how many teams back then, like 22 i think. So you then had 17 other teams who didnt do anything and where basically filler teams, teams who were lucky to have a 15ppg guy on it. At that time, most players (even in the "big" markes) relied mostly on local commercials and endorsements. So you want to be in a big market because you'd be making more there than what your nba contract was for.
For the owners/franchise, a "big market" meant they were more likely to sell out arena's or at least, more tickets. A bigger city would most likely mean bigger tax subsidies. A bigger city means more and more expensive regional television deals. And a bigger city means more jersey sales. etc etc etc
And of course once again travel is an issue here, if you're in a big market, you have more travel options. I will also include a greater access to medical facilities and doctors.
But again, after 2000, all of this stuff was cleared up and different approaches were taken.
Now players don't even need endorsements and while they still do them, they are second or even third on their income priorities.
I mean, i don't want to go back down the list explaining how these things changed, im sure you know what most of the modern equivalents/standards are for the things mentioned above.
I will say this though, the nail in the coffin for the big market/small market concept was the restructuring in 20......2012? of the cost of going over the hard cap. Before any major city could be 100 mill over the cap and be fine. Now, every team can be over the hc for 2 or maybe 3 seasons out of 10, but no more, they cant afford it.
That was the last vestige of anything we could consider big or small market.
There was a big hgh issue back in the early 2010's but the league turned a blind eye, basically said it was OK, so now no one even looks for it.
The MLB and NFL both have a compensatory pick system and teams in those leagues are not as effected negatively as NBA teams are effected by losing star level players. So it would make some sense. If losing an all-star caliber player, perhaps gain a pick at the end of the lottery, with other comp picks happening at the end of the 1st or end of the 2nd depending on the contract the leaving player gets from his new team. If said team doesn't replace the player with a similarly valued player (Kyrie out, Kemba in for instance).
The thing is the NFL and MLB have much more draft rounds than the NBA. A draft pick in the NBA is just so much more valuable, mid to bottom of the second round of the draft i think is fair but any 1st round picks? Idk that might be a bit too much
But the teams below that draft pick (say 1R #15) are being penalized without gaining anything.
@@emanuelmartinez7267 The pick that became Magic Johnson was acquired by the Lakers from the Jazz as compensation for the Jazz signing Laker free agent Gail Goodrich. The NBA already tried many paths in free agency. The NBA are actually the leaders of the major sports in that department. It's been decades of fine tuning. Looking to other leagues is like looking backwards for the NBA.
Maybe the NBA could give out phones specifically used for negotiations and no other method of contact is allowed. Like if a player goes to another team the moment free agency starts the league could check into NBA issued phones and if they find little to no messages negotiating with that player on those phones it's a pretty tell tale signs they were tampering
So no one can talk to each other ever, except with these phones? The main problem is these clicks and secondary people talking. Like someone connected to an agent or a team, but not employed by the team, talks to a player, or a player's friend or associate. Another problem is players talking to each other, like when Kyrie and KD talked to each other during the season before their free agency.
NBA free agency originally involved compensatory picks. Magic Johnson, for example, was acquired as a future 1st round pick as compensation for the Jazz signing of Lakers' free agent Gail Goodrich.
giving the mavs a pick is a terrible idea
Just legalize tampering after a player's contract is up and their season is over, in the case of Jalen Brunson or Lonzo Ball, they had fulfilled their contract with their current team and if the team wished to retain them, they can negotiate out a deal just like every other team in the league
They should suspend the player for 40 games without pay if it is proven that there was a tampering. This will make players shy away from talking to anyone with regards to player movment or negotiating.
The issue with tampering and for example, when the Bulls signed Lonzo. The Bulls were punished but not the Pelicans. Even though the Pelicans had to agree to the sign and trade. So even if there is tampering, it takes two teams. Not like the Bulls walked into the Pelicans GM office and said "this is what we want and you have to do it" both teams are complicate
A hard cap like the NFL has will be the only way to bridge the gap between the large and small markets. I have no clue how to resolve the guarantee salary part of this though.
The NBA players union will never allow a hard cap. The NFL contracts are terrible compared to the NBA and the MLB
I think it needs to be severe punishment. A first to the team that was tampered with that has protections for the team getting the pick. If a heavily protected first gets moved, it restricts what that big market team is allowed to trade and that’s the real punishment. A top 20 protected pick or something like that.
Every single team tampers in the NBA, some get caught some don’t
Just an idea, but what if they just veto the trade all together if found guilty of tampering and ban that player from joining the team for like 3/4 years?
What about signing bad players (DeAndre Jordan looking at you) because their agent has some high profile clients?
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In soccer/football, if a player is in the final year of his contract and the team won't resign that player or he doesn't like the deal or whatever, they are open to negotiate a deal wherever and join that club once his deal is up. I think tampering ahead of free agency is normal and should be allowed. I don't wanna see those AD situations. It got Lebron a ring so it's fine subjectively but in the grand scheme of things it's bad for the league. But you can also argue you shouldn't waste your career on a bad team. And the pels were trash. They didn't make the necessary moves to maximize AD. It's a case by case basis. But who can really judge what a player views as a good or a bad situation. Overall a tough decision to make
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The MLB has this same problem. A good example is the Oakland A’s basically just being a talent farm for teams like the Yankees because of the market sizes. I don’t think it’ll ever be solved. It’s the nature of salaries and sports when they’re based on markets and team by team income
Don't see anything wrong with tampering, you offer them something they like it or they don't.
I would recommend forcing the team to pay equal to that player’s first year salary in penalty to the NBA (to be used of recharging of whatever, doesn’t matter). That seems like a fair penalty.
Also, a lot of those first minute contracts being reported as agreed upon is fine, you will initiate the contract often isn’t signed until a few days to over a week later. So technically they aren’t breaking any rules. It’s just the twitter leakers spreading rumors as fast they can for attention.
6:14: Excellent idea with compensatory picks.
What makes the most sense to me is getting rid of tampering all together, but if you're going to enforce it then really do it. A first round pick isn't enough. If I'm in an NBA front office I'd risk a first round pick every year to get a big name free agent or even one that'll fit my team. If you can prove the allegation then cancel the players contract, revoke the trade, and make it so that player can't sign with or be traded there for a couple of years. Sure the teams will hide their tampering even more, but I'd be less concerned with the talking, and more concerned about the player signing a contract in an unreasonably short time after free agency has started not giving other teams the time to make their case. But I wouldn't have a problem if the player didn't want to take a meeting with any other team in that window of time.
The current system smashes small market teams. The superstars all want to be in the big markets and as a result it is a rarity for small market teams to win a championship.
Lets look at Klutch for one. Signing coaches, media and players and getting them to LA is straight out tampering within the rules. They need to stop that type of nonsense. Now tampering over all has been talking to players earlier then they should. BUT having my buddy or other player do it is Legal... it is hard to stop and silly to hit people who spoke to players to early really hard.
Legalize it, don't criticize it.
Rules are rules
don’t legalise this shit
Stupidest argument I’ve heard
I think you missed the point of why tampering is a bad deal
Big market teams just bennefit to much from tampering, it is easier to get good players to sign to your team when you are a big market
Smaller teams just wouldn’t be able to survive in a leaugue likr that, so, don’t legalise it
That’s dumb lol “legalize cocaine, don’t criticize it.”
Why not undo the trade/signing? Like with Jalen Brunson, sure they took a 2nd round pick but why is Brunson still in new york? Just invalidate the contract so both player and organization who were involved are punished
Give Dallas the Knicks 2nd round pick that was lost. That way they get compensated reasonably and there’s not one less young kid getting drafted to the NBA
Now leagues have a new problem. Any form of cheating that effects an outcome that people gamble on becomes a big issue. Previously people might have noticed some minor form of cheating and just not cared but if it can impact gambling it is now a problem.
What happens to the pick that gets taken away?
Reduce their first round pick. So their pick falls 5 spots or something like that. So if they end up with the 6th pick, they get the 11th pick and picks 11-7 move up one spot each
That's not an equitable punishment though - going into FA the team that gets a top 5 pick wouldn't take the risk and drop out but a team picking in the mid to late 20s would absolutely take their chances, meaning the best teams continue to get better whilst the bottom teams struggle to develop
Tampering is a stupid rule. Who wouldn't want another superstar on their team? It's stupid. You need to pretend to be silent against something fundamentally completely normal. It's a bidding war.
@@MB-wg1wt if your pick is outside the lottery, it falls to the last pick in the first round.
@@MB-wg1wt or if 5 isn’t enough, make it 10
tampering happens anyway and its hard to prove
the only way to fix it is to make it illegal for players of other teams to talk to each other, and we all know its not gonna happen
the only team this rule is not benefitting, are the teams that choose to play by the rules
As a Bulls fan, I don't really understand your point. Two of the biggest markets, Chi and NY, have been awful my entire life except a few years with d rose. The league has never been more equal than this year. The league is for entertainment and it wants rating, whatever gets ratings is gonna stay
The answer to tampering is easy and I don't understand why NBA isn't doing it. When Free Agency opens make it so it only opens talking to the Free Agents and no players can be signed for 2 weeks. This would give every franchise a chance to get an offer in to whatever upcoming Free Agent they are interested in. It's BS that teams can't even talk to them until they already have a done deal in place. A 2 week negotiation period would give every team a shot at any Free Agent.
I think something along the line among the compensatory pick, but instead of that just give the pick lost to the team with the players lost. For example give the Mavs the 2nd the knicks forfeited
Commissioner Adam Silver himself said it's not tampering if players recruit opposing players. Old heads like Jordan, Barkley, Ewing, Bird, Magic, etc. think it's disgusting that modern players are all buddy-buddies and kumbaya with each other. The NBA knows it can reap the highest revenue when, not if, but when the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, or Warriors are making a Finals push. The late commissioner Stern admitted that a Lakers-Celtics Finals matchup is best for the NBA.
Then there's the issue of a player being a de-facto owner of a sports agency (LeBron basically owning Clutch Sports on the DL). It's long been known that powerful agents with All-Star client portfolios spanning several franchises are the greatest tampering offenders of all.
Teams are most afraid of such agents and their agency (Rich Paul, LeBron, and Clutch sports). Even rival players are afraid of LeBron and his ability to tank their trade value, like he destroyed JR Smith and Dwight Howard's NBA market value.
Maybe the NBA if they find tampering happening take away 10 million or a percentage of how much that team can offer that player
Idk how the taking away a draft pick for the team caught tempering actually works but why not just force the team thats caught to give their second round pick to the team that was effected and if they don't have any 2nd picks they have to give up cash worth the 1st year of a second round picks salary. With that extra pick they can either choose to immediately start rebuilding and finding a potential steal or use them as trade fodder, with that extra cash they could sign a player that might have been outside their price range prior
Cash is for suckers in NBA transactions. Cash considerations been one of the prime jokes in trade transactions for over a decade. Price range isn't the only thing that gate keeps an org from a 'ideal' player to sign. Ideally said top 20 player may not wanna play for a podunk spot like OKC, Cleveland or Charlotte and doesn't like their future situation. Finding a better way to 'punish' I feel isn't the best solution especially when these big market teams know the role and will just horde 2nd/protected 1sts from mid spots. In the end the prize they care for is better talent that would come to them than smaller markets because the small markets don't know how to keep their players and end up being developmental systems for big markets anyway. A small market with a bad FO is destined for futility regardless of how many more 'bonuses' you can give them.
Hey, Hard to punish what you encourage...Just look at 12th place Lakers make the opening highlights ever night and every disgruntled player should be traded to the Lakers for their 2027 1RP...Crazy talk...Make a team lose their next eligible two 1RPs they control...Or that player cannot be traded for the life of that contract...Then they are stuck with that tampered player, so it better be worth it...That will stop it...👍
I am not an American and not well versed in your culture but I firmly believe tampering should be completely legal. Like 100% so. Allow players to negotiate, allow teams to try and affect them etc.
Do you think you will be able to make Curry leave the Warriors in the past 5 years. Do you think you will be able to make Manu, Duncan or Parker leave their Spurs? I doubt it. Who does this law protect? Teams that are not willing to put their players in the best spot.
As a non-American I do not really understand the greed that leads people to huge market teams to begin with and I guess tampering being legal will benefit these teams even more but I feel that it is up to the player if they will be persuaded to take some action or not. If you cold make Lopez or Chris Middleton leave the Bucks and join your team, more power to you.
if they get caught tampering. the deal is void and the team caught can not resign the player, also the player is suspended 30 games.
Let them start negotiations once that players season ends but dont let them sign until the free agency start time. That way multiple teams get a chance to negotiate. More lenient rules but id go with a harsher punishment if caught tampering during the active season. Like rewarding the tampered with team the tampering teams 2nd rd pick and maybe a fine.
I think a interesting long term punishment is basically locking a tampering team out of the lottery.
Say the… Knicks get caught tampering. Instead of punishing them immediately, the punishment should be much more long term and not going to affect the immediate future.
For example, let’s say it takes them 8 years to fall back into the lottery again. When that day does come, the NBA’s punishment kicks in and the Knicks are cut out of the lottery (say, give them the first pick outside the lottery). This process ensures that there are long term consequences for cheatintg, that the immediate on-court product isn’t damaged too much, and that when the day does come that punishment is due, that the team in question doesn’t try to blatantly tank because their pick will be capped at 15.
What I really don't get is, especially if a team already has a player locked in to a new deal, why there is an urgency to announce the consummated deals very early on? If I already had, say, Lowry in the bag, I'd just chill for a couple of hours and THEN announce the deal. That gets the league off my back!
lowering the tampering teams salary cap 1 mill every time they tamper would be funny af
I agree but with a future first round pick on a Year that they are going to be the lottery pick should be the consequence which helps lessen both Tampering and Tanking at the same time
A greater point on cheating in the NBA is the potentially profuse usage of blood doping, HGH, and other forms of PEDs probably rampant amongst players like LeBron James and as far back as Kobe Bryant. Love the game, but the unfair advantage in recovery and stamina some players get compared to others is something that cannot be overlooked.
Ultimately, small market teams being able to keep players is GOOD for the league.....
My idea
1) Allow for the teams to negotiate with their free agents and sign deals prior to the open free agency (yes this can happen as soon as a team is eliminated from finals contention)
2) Take away the next available controllable first round pick if found guilty of tampering (Ex, Wolves would be giving up 2024 pick because they gave up their 2023)
3) Start free agency 7 days after the conclusion of the NBA Finals, draft would be 4 days afterwards. Allows for little incentive to be so quick about spotting free agents and waiting it out for 1 week especially with having concerns with draft very close
What about lowering a team's salary cap by X (1-5 pct) for X amount (2-3) of years for tampering? Make the penalty hit the big markets in the spot they have the advantage, the money.
I always hear about the Knicks having an advantage in free agency, but it's been awhile since a superstar joined them in FA.
All big markets have an advantage. Players would rather play/live in a NYC or LA over a Utah or OK city. That's never going to change
@@HARLEM-NEWYORK But when your franchise is dysfunctional that advantage is pretty much neutralized.
True but look at the nets Lakers and clippers. Big free agent signings are a huge part of where they all are right now
@@erenjager4698 Lakers and Clippers definitely, but I think even with the Nets they very recently started attracting superstars. I think even Jason Kidd and Deron Williams were traded there rather than selecting that team themselves.
“Not a lot of performance enhancing issues in the nba” lmao!!!
3 home games teams play without fans.
Or if they reach playoffs then bump them down 2 spots.
Player and club that tampered , lets say in pacific division. Ban player to sign contract with any team in that division for 5 years.
But if player is a free agent next year, he is not signing new contract. Than he is free to talk with any other team.
I think that the best way to stop tampering would be to restrict a free agent from signing to the team that is suspected of tampering.
If you tamper and break the rules you should lose ur first round pick it helps teams who are in small markets because we can’t get those top 5 free agents. I’m tired of these big markets having a monopoly in this league of talent.
I don’t have problems when teams and player talk at any time. I really don’t like watching players hold out and do not play when they are under contract
If you're caught tampering and there's solid proof of it then the player becomes an unrestricted free agent immediately regardless of if the team signed him as a free agent or traded for him. Team that was tampering can't try to sign the player for 1 year. Is it extremely harsh? Yes and that's why it would work. Nobody is going to tamper with a big free agent if there's a chance they could lose them mid season. Imagine if it came out Philly tampered with Harden and had to release him but wouldn't get back everything they traded away. They'd never tamper again.
The reason why there isn't a PED issue in the NBA is that what's allowable under the rules is pretty lax.
I think the nba should veto tampering moves and prohibit the player from joining the team that was tampering
Why not just allowing teams to negotiate with players like 2 weeks in advance of the actual free agent signing day? That way,teams would not negotiate with players while they are competing (which is,i believe,the reason of this rule's existance), every team would have a fair shot at free agents (because even if a player has already an illegal agreement with some team, 2 weeks is enough time to try and persuade someone) and you could end that 6.01 PM signings controversy
All teams tamper to some extent. The punishment is not harsh enough to deter anything so up the punishment to 1st rounder,cash and a extra pick for the other team,or that teams pick
Cheaters should be fined the equivalent of the value of the contract signed and the money should go to the team with the least draft picks. That'll put an end to pre-negotiations really fast.
Ban flopping. Flopping is cheating.
i think they should fix the luxury tax on self drafted players by giving 50% reduction of max contracts given to self drafted players. That should give more movement to smaller markets as punishment for handing them out is less.
Punish bigger markets harder. Punishment is based on income / attendance for the franchise. If we want a league where everyone has at least a shot at building a championship team then we can crack down harder on the teams where players and money go anyway. Wouldn't end tampering but would at least try to balance the league a bit more.
It’s a player driven league. Players are gonna talk. It’s up to teams to retain players and not assume they’re staying out of blind loyalty…
Are big market teams really winning more? Pick any year and look at who the top teams are- it seems pretty random.
For free agency the punishment should revoke the contract and the player can no longer sign with the team that season.
Allow negotiations to begin one date but no signings and a later date contracts may be signed.
Judging by the comments nobody cares just make it legal who cares. How is recruiting bad
this is a misconception, as an agent, you can talk contracts all year and these players are not in contact with organizations, so it is fair, contract talks do not start with the player until the set date, however, agents can and do talk to all teams. It is fair to keep this happening as these rumors keep the league active all year and generation news.
Maybe if their found tampering they can limit the time they can have in next years free agency so like they only get 12 hours and start 12 hours after everyone else already started,
Might as well make it legal, happens in football all the time and if the player feels you’re not good enough then you’re just not
Didn't the Bogdanovic trade get rescinded?
Why do some trades get rescinded by the league and others get to stand but the team loses a 2rd
LMFAO bruh said "players and executives talking to each other is Tampering and illegal" 💀
Without increasing the pay to the player, increase the cost of the contract by 10% for luxury tax calculations. This would benefit most teams. If you tamper AND are not a tax payer, then your kickback is reduced by that percentage.
Increase the cap hit or lower cap for the team for the year and add a specific tax if a team holds this Tampering cap hit