@@jasonmillwood2893 That's like saying "If a Sailboat has an auxiliary engine, is it still a Sailboat?"... It's according to your "Perspective", I guess..!
@@jasonmillwood2893 💯 imo a kayak is something you paddle . And all the new age boats are motorized . Like what makes this a kayak over the mihla lite skiff ?
When I first saw this, I thought this is ridiculous, but I get it now. It really isn’t much bigger than a Titan X. Next to Hans it looked huge. What got me though, finally a big man boat that will accommodate a 6’8” guy who wants to use foot control steering without having to modify something. I applaud Bonafide for that. I just might have to buy one.
I actually think that has a lot to do with it. We angled the boat forward to show the cockpit and the camera angle made it look much bigger and made Hans look smaller. It was kind of like long arming a fish for a picture
@ChadHooverFishing that is great to here. But from my experience. The ratio is way higher. If there is ever a data from tourneyx we'd love to see it. If not hopefully the app can change and keep anglers registered as trolling motor anglers, Or whatever. highly doubt that ever be but who knows. Be nice to have some data for future reference
Dude I have been a Nucanoe guy for almost 4 years. Even recently upgrading from the frontier 12 to the unlimited this year. I love the thing but this kayak XTR 130. Thing looks like a beast and looks like my next kayak. Great questions Chad. I was thinking of a bunch to say but at the end you asked literally every question I thought of.
Not something you want if you're a river runner and need to paddle on occasions, same goes for the forward motor concept. My favorite part is the length of the seat tracks that make it easier to adjust the center of balance.
As an avid river fisherman, I'm curious how much water it takes to float that big of a boat and how thick the hull is to take the beating a river can produce.
3600’s fit nicely, two on each side if you have a battery in the middle. If you don’t have a battery, then you could probably put any size up there and a bunch of the 3600’s
Kayak Bass Fishing came about because 1) People wanted to get away from the ridiculous glitter rockets 2) More People can afford to purchase a "regular" kayak. It's difficult to find tournaments/clubs which even prohibit motorization these days.
@@ChadHooverFishing My bad. I meant kayak bass fishing in general. I didn't mean to capitalize the letters in bass and fishing (habit I guess). I remember local clubs who only allowed motors for anyone who had physical challenges.
How waterproof are those two hatches on the upper deck? Like when you have a big thunderstorm or when you take a wave over the bow, I know you have the scupper holes, but how is that water going to drain so it doesn’t get into the tank and stuff that hatches
@@flaminggorilla909 at first glance I kinda thought that. After looking at specs it’s similar to many large fishing kayaks. I think it’s the front deck that makes it look more boat than kayak.
Hey Chad I have heard from several sources that Motorguide is discontinuing there xi3 trolling motors within the next year. Will other trolling motors be able to mount directly onto the built in trolling motor bracket? I’m just worried about buying this kayak and then not having a trolling motor that that can be mounted onto the bow. It seems like everyone is building there kayaks around having a xi3 bow mount now.
If there isn’t a direct mount there will be plates available very quickly from Bonafide, Ketch and One Objective. We also got it directly from the person at ICAST that the kayak version would NOT be discontinued. But, I also heard this rumor
I think this thing is awesome. I figure if you are going to get a big lake kayak and have to trailer it, why not go big right? Totally get a bass boat in a kayak with this. I actually really like this. Very cool 👍 Love the dance brother 😂
@@ChadHooverFishing A video about how it goes would be great. probably help a lot of people decide weather they want one. I definitely do but that will be the decider
It’s not 100% finalized yet. When I get a production model I will do an updated video with all of those details and a full hull and on the water review
It's a hybrid of a Jon boat and kayak. I would call it a "Gene Boat" If I had $$$$ and a trailer , I would definitely buy it. But I looking more toward a Native Slayer propel 10 budget wise
@db9818 I understand, I want the Native Slayer propel 10 ($2250) due to its 62 lb weight. I'm J barring a Lifetime Tamarack Pro , it's 57lbs. If I had a trailer and budget for motors. I'll probably buy a PWR
That's an amazing kayak. I understand you are involved in many of the kayak tournament series rules. If you rig that kayak out with the bow mount motor and the NK 300 stern mount motor, like Hans says he would rig it for a tournament, under current rules it is not a legal kayak fishing platform since it would have 2 motors. Now that the company you work for is selling this type of kayak now are you open to changing the rules?
@@ChadHooverFishing makes sense. Any idea how expensive of an add on it will be? I see a ton of value in this platform at the targeted price, so adding a rudder is fairly trivial I guess lol
@@mmancino1982 it’s a platform geared towards using an electric motor so a rudder wouldn’t be of any advantage imo. Foot control or remote is all you’re going to need.
@@db9818 don't entirely agree. I run an auto pilot and there's a noticeable difference between using the TM with the rudder in the water and not. Could just be the AP hull not tracking as well though
It is a neat boat, but it's not the game changer I'm looking for. We need a planning hull boat that has all these features but can cruise around at 15-20 mph. The Veer 13 may not have the rigging options, but since it needs a trailer anyways, I want a faster boat so I can get places. Maybe that's the next generation? Surely there has to be a design that could blend this boat and the Veer 13 to give speed, fishability, and a price under $15k boat/motor/trailer. I own 6 kayaks and I'm not buying another one. What I want is an affordable one-man bass boat.
We will get this one up to 10-12 with some of the stuff that’s coming but 15-20 wouldn’t be possible with this hull design and still be safe in my opinion.
@@ChadHooverFishing I’ll take 10-12. That would cover 3x the water in the same time. I still want A 13-14 ft 1-2 person planning hull boat with all the rigging capability of a kayak but speed of a traditional aluminum boat with a 9.9hp outboard. I don’t care if it’s electric. I’d prefer a gas main motor and electric trolling motor setup.
I don’t see the rudder or foot steer options on the website. How much will they be, and is the rudder significantly larger than the PWR rudder to accommodate the greater displacement?
You can easily add it. Most people are taking them off the PWR to use the steering for motors so it made more sense to keep the price lower and let people add it if they want.
The Bass Pro Pond Prowler has a max capacity per seat of 250 pounds. A max overall capacity of 525. The boat weighs 138 pounds without the seats. So even with that it has a usable capacity of 387 pounds. So, if we are just comparing that alone and not all the other features the Prowler wouldn’t hold two average adult men, much less any motors, batteries or fishing gear. That’s before we compare performance, comfort, durability, transportability and all the other advantages this boat has over it.
Beautiful boat, I’ve been torn over the last few days about this boat. The Price and it being a stripped hull for almost $3,000 is too much. They don’t even offer a rudder, no front motor plate, not foot steering, it’s all extra. This premium foot steering option seems like a gouge and should come with this boat. If it came with a rudder and steering, I could almost justify 3k. The PWR 129 is a reasonable offering and great value. This boat loses it luster when it comes to the lack of value and being nickel and dime’ed on such a high cost bare boat!
It’s not bare, it comes with everything you need and the same foot pedals and steering that the PWR currently comes with. The rudder was left off to keep the cost down because in our experience with the PWR, a large majority of the people are removing it to use the foot steering to steer a stern mounted motor. You can never make everyone happy, but this boat is a great value for all that it does come with and if you include the upgraded steering that cost, though it’s “included” is almost tripled by the time it makes it to a dealer.
@@ChadHooverFishing included upgraded steering? As to the Rudder, it should be standard for those who start with a bow mount motor and be included like the per 129 at a cost of almost $3,000. The Price and lack of a rudder, motor plate and make it a hard trigger pull for me. The new Wilderness that is wired and comes with all the bits and pieces seems is the trend all manufacturers should be following, and where I thought Bonified was going to continue to go with the example they created with the 129. I get it, not everyone can be made happy, however by removing the nickel and dime perception, it might open a few more wallets. I still get my buy this boat, but like I said, I not excited about the way they have priced and selling this boat at all! Also consider what you get for similar money with an old town autopilot. Way more value IMO
It’s not the only form of transportation. You can easily truck bed it. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that you can car top it, but you can easily put it in a truck bed.
My next Tupperware boat will be a bonafide not this one? Maybe the peddle one or just their paddle version. this one looks cool but too much for what I do. I could see making that big storage hatch into a live bait well?? lol - great point about it being on the flats and a poling dream!
@@ChadHooverFishing I got to paddle one on a trip and they really impressed me, stability of it and how easy it paddled, it was nice, really thinking at that peddle version though
It’s quieter, easier to rig, easier to transport, has more outfitting options, it’s more comfortable and it will perform better whether is is paddled or motorized
I’m sure this will stir up a lot of “just get a jon boat” comments. Kayaks like this are what is “in” now. If you aren’t a fan buy something different.
Well said, too many folks obsessed with what should and shouldn’t be called a kayak. Who gives a crap, it is what it is…if you like it and want to buy it then do so. If you don’t, move along and do your own thing.
As a family guy, I need something more like this. But, with that said I see a lack of commitment to the overall design of this vessel. Who cares what it’s called kayak / fishing kayak / personal watercraft. You’re on the verge of building something “I” want to buy. And sells is what’s needed to keep any business going. So..with that said I have to ask why isn’t the front rear hatch closest to the seat made with a back level wall? Why was it cut out to have a space to reach in between the hatch and the wall? I’d rather had a flat level wall so u could have made it into dry storage or made it into a cooler or livewell/bait well. I would’ve rigging up a pump and a stand pipe to let water pump in from the scupper to the level of the stand pipe and let it overflowed out the stand pipe. Worried about water weight, or it being harder to paddle? I’m fishing not paddling we’re pulling 100plus pounds of gear top side trying to balance it from falling out thanks to lack of internal storage. And 400lbs worth of people on top of that. I’ll let my guest have the spare paddle and we’ll paddle together lol or better yet I’ll let the motor do all the work so I can fish. The lack of a raise rear back deck” is my biggest gripe with this watercraft. Why did you stop?? Why wasn’t it made to match the front? I want a raised rear area to match the front with storage with hatch top access just like the front. Maybe make this watercraft 14ft long and 50plus inch’s wide in the rear to give us a better standing platform/ insulation ice chests to keep longer body fish on ice, or a livewell/ baitwell. A place to add the seating up there on the “raised rear”. With a couple storage hatch box options and a nice elongated middle hatch to put them longer red fish on ice. I like to take both my small kids with me. They need a place to seat. I need a place to add in a battery, a cooler, a livewell/baitwell a place to keep fish on ice ,storage for my tackle, and gunnel rod storage. I wanna rig up and leave it where I put it whether I’m on the water or towing at home or to the lake. Clean deck! No boxes, bags, tackle boxes, ice chest, batteries, and so on to trip on. Leave it stored in a closed hatch into I need it. Make it stable to walk to the front to the rear to get to all my stuff stored inside the hull of the personal watercraft. If folks want a small kayak? Then bonifide makes lots of smaller kayak options. Leave us kayak yachts alone! 🤣
It will be easy to add a live well with the scuppers in it with a simple drop in pan. Those are plans for the future. Everything is a balance and all the things you mentioned are great, but the boat would need to be much larger to accommodate them. Every watercraft can’t possibly meet the needs of every single person’s desires. But from the laundry list of things that you want in this watercraft, it really just means you want a different watercraft and that’s okay, it just means this one isn’t for you. There will be a rear casting deck in the future as well, but not everyone wants or needs that or wants to give up the space for their BlackPak or other gear management so it will be an accessory for those that want it.
I definitely want the rear raised deck. And I wanna encourage these classy looking kayak yacht makers to please press forth and give it to us. Don’t become discouraged by wording. We want it or we wouldn’t be adding crazy gear the way we do. I want something I can take my wife and or kids out with. I’m a bass fisherman and I want a rear raised deck with storage back there like they did in the front. I own a Hobie PA14 360. And it’s not everything I’d hoped it would be. But, im clearly good with a bigger longer boat. I trailer all 4x of my kayaks and I will trailer my next one just makes it easier for me getting in and out of triple digit heat temperatures in Mississippi. So please stick with expansion of larger personal watercraft’s. We want them. And a shade top lol
I’m not sure, but this isn’t the biggest or the heaviest being called a fishing kayak. The Hobie PA is a foot longer and 2” narrower. . It’s also the same weight when you actually weigh it instead of going off the weight on their website. The NuCanoe Unlimited is six inches shorter, but an inch wider. The Native Titan X is pretty much the same size and weight. The BlueSky Boat works is bigger all around. So, to answer your question, I don’t know. We are evolving as a sport and we are using fishing kayaks and not kayaks so I think the fishing kayak category and definition is evolving and we will just have to see how it settles out over time.
There is no way to really answer that accurately. But we have seen between 3.9 and 5.1 thus far. We haven’t tried multiple motors yet and worked on trim and load balancing to see what we can really get out of it. Should be able to answer this better soon.
All this “boat” talk is stupid… do what you wanna do! If you dont wanna do this DONT lol simple its ok for someone else to like something different and have different needs
I think its definitely a tournament anglers dream. Is the regular weekend warrior gonna need this!? Probably not! But the guys and girls chasing hardware on bigger lakes this is gonna be a amazing boat! I wish i woulda had it for candlewood ill tell ya that!
@@MichaelBecker-jn8yi they don’t do the same things… kayaks can go where bass boats can’t but boats can go faster. Have you ever fished a kayak tournament?
@@MaineStreamFishing no kidding. I’ve been fishing kayak tournaments for 10 years and run a league. I’m well aware of the difference between a boat and a kayak. My point is, it seems as though the Kayak world keeps asking for and making kayaks that need to have all of the features of a boat. Bonafide actually said it’s modeled after a small bass boat. As far as getting places boats can’t, I bet there are plenty of places this new Bonafide can’t go, like small, shallow, skinny rivers. Or heavy grass lakes, or the middle of a lily pad field. So it seems to me the Kayak industry has be come more concerned about making kayaks to be like boats than kayaks.
Thanks for the comment. It’s silly, but thanks for making it. If it had a pedal drive it would be way more expensive and have way less room. About 50% to 75% of people that I know with pedal drive kayaks are leaving them at home and using a motor. If you want a pedal drive, buy a pedal drive kayak. It really is that simple.
Everyone knows how cheap plastic used to be. But the plastic is the lowest factor affecting price. Engineering, mold building, the amount of space it takes for the ovens, outfitting and storage, the trained personnel cost, insurance, taxes, etc are all factored into the cost. The cost of heat alone to build the kayak is equal to or more than the cost of plastics. Thanks for the comment though.
People who make this comment have kept me laughing for years, actually decades. It’s easy right? Then buy yourself a building, hire an engineer, purchase about $30,000 in design software and computers, then buy yourself a couple of ovens (they are only about $1,000,000 give or take a couple hundred thousand) then have them installed in your 30,000 to 100,000 sq ft building. Hire six to ten rotomolding workers and then order your first mold for $40,000 to $80,000. From there, build a couple of injection molds for parts like latches and handles, they are only about $10,000 to $30,000 each. Once you knock that out, get yourself a machine to thermoform hatches, lids, pans, etc. They are pretty cheap at another $25,000 to $50,000. Now all you have left is to hire a sales force to go get dealers onboard, market your kayak so that people walk into those dealers and want to buy it and then the last step is to pre-pay for all of the raw materials to build these boats, ship them to dealers and wait a few months to start getting any of your money back. While you are waiting on that money to come back, you can start spending more to build another mold to offer your second kayak, but by this point it’s easy because your initial $6,000,000 to $10,000,000 investment has already been done. Easy right? When should we expect your first kayak?
@ChadHooverFishing Your need to justify a false narrative is laughably cute. The mainstream kayak companies like Hobie, Old Town, and others have made the money back on their investments years ago. Again I work for a plastics company that sells a few products to the aerospace industry. We have a plastic polymer that is impact proof and flame resistant. Don't talk not me about engineering costs when you are talking about a plastic kayak.
30 seconds in and you’re saying you’re going to be quiet and hold questions to the end 😂. Let’s see. My money is on under 2 minute mark for you to break that.
You can paddle it. It paddles really well. It actually paddles better than almost all pedal drive kayaks on the market. You can also put it in the bed of your truck. And since we are playing the definition game, all kayaks are actually boats.
I am not a motorized kayak guy but the layout of this kayak has me changing my mind love the storage the look and the casting deck!
If it’s motorized is it still a kayak technically?
@@jasonmillwood2893 That's like saying "If a Sailboat has an auxiliary engine, is it still a Sailboat?"... It's according to your "Perspective", I guess..!
@@jasonmillwood2893 💯 imo a kayak is something you paddle . And all the new age boats are motorized . Like what makes this a kayak over the mihla lite skiff ?
@@mkodom88 so pedal drive isn’t a kayak?
Basically a plastic John boat…..pretty cool layout
Perfect for the angler that doesn’t want to kayak and can’t afford a boat.
It’s more of a storage/maintenance issue
Really good way to put it…
Dude for the price of this thing plus you ain’t putting it in your roof rack you could buy a jon boat.
Is it me or does this look like a kayak battleship? This is one sweet looking rig.
Yes it does
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Can’t wait!
This doesn't even look like a kayak anymore
Right? But I want one😂
It's a plastic jon boat
@@brysontrotman5865 let's be real this thing is way nicer than a Jon boat😂
@@mmancino1982 it is very nice, but to call it a kayak is a stretch.
@@brysontrotman5865 ya I don't disagree. More like a modified micro skiff
When I first saw this, I thought this is ridiculous, but I get it now. It really isn’t much bigger than a Titan X. Next to Hans it looked huge. What got me though, finally a big man boat that will accommodate a 6’8” guy who wants to use foot control steering without having to modify something. I applaud Bonafide for that. I just might have to buy one.
I actually think that has a lot to do with it. We angled the boat forward to show the cockpit and the camera angle made it look much bigger and made Hans look smaller. It was kind of like long arming a fish for a picture
All its missing is a place on the top deck for a bass seat!!
I'm digging it!
You can take the deck cover off and add a second seat
@TexasPapa13 i know that but an actual leaning cast seat
@@xarrow81 ahhh ok.
You’re describing a bass boat not a kayak
@@DirtMacGurk1 and?
I want one to compete in these kayak tourneys now. Everyone has trolling motors now. No competition if I'm still on a pedal drive.
Incorrect, there is people winning tournaments in pedal drives against people with trolling motors every month.
@ChadHooverFishing that is great to here. But from my experience. The ratio is way higher. If there is ever a data from tourneyx we'd love to see it. If not hopefully the app can change and keep anglers registered as trolling motor anglers, Or whatever. highly doubt that ever be but who knows. Be nice to have some data for future reference
Dude I have been a Nucanoe guy for almost 4 years. Even recently upgrading from the frontier 12 to the unlimited this year. I love the thing but this kayak XTR 130.
Thing looks like a beast and looks like my next kayak. Great questions Chad. I was thinking of a bunch to say but at the end you asked literally every question I thought of.
Love the videos and your energy Chad. 💪🏼
Thank you. We have another more comprehensive video launching this week.
@@ChadHooverFishing got the bell on. 💪🏼
And I just got my PWR129. 😢 Wish I knew this was coming a month ago. Lol
Not something you want if you're a river runner and need to paddle on occasions, same goes for the forward motor concept. My favorite part is the length of the seat tracks that make it easier to adjust the center of balance.
If ur takin any bass fishing yak down rapids u need ur head examined... but for slow moving rivers with ripples u should be j7st fine
I'm probably going to buy this n I live in the Pittsburgh area with the mon River n the youghiogheny n I'll let u know how it handles
As an avid river fisherman, I'm curious how much water it takes to float that big of a boat and how thick the hull is to take the beating a river can produce.
People that complain about the definition of kayak crack me up. If you dont like it dont buy it. I think this thing is sweet personality.
I will eventually own one of these!!!
🔥
Basically a nucanoe unlimited with a casting deck haha
Look again… LOL
What size tackle tray and how many of that size tackle tray can I fit in the big bow storage/battery compartment?
3600’s fit nicely, two on each side if you have a battery in the middle. If you don’t have a battery, then you could probably put any size up there and a bunch of the 3600’s
@@ChadHooverFishing Awesome I was hoping it would be good for tackle storage. Thank you for answering my question.
Will it have an option like the Native sidekick?
This thing looks sweet! I'd love to see how it handles going in and out of the water using a cart. Or perhaps it's a trailer only rig.
Once I get my own I will be doing a ton of real world stuff
May seriously consider selling my autopilot for this
Kayak Bass Fishing came about because 1) People wanted to get away from the ridiculous glitter rockets 2) More People can afford to purchase a "regular" kayak.
It's difficult to find tournaments/clubs which even prohibit motorization these days.
Kayak Bass Fishing allowed motors from the very beginning
@@ChadHooverFishing My bad. I meant kayak bass fishing in general. I didn't mean to capitalize the letters in bass and fishing (habit I guess).
I remember local clubs who only allowed motors for anyone who had physical challenges.
@@3LLOutstart your own club that doesn’t allow motors then you won’t have to find one.
Price?
$2800
XTR130 + Chad + Fluke M = YT gold. Make it happen
@AnAngryAngler It would be the Dink brothers channel
Who believed that Chad could actually resist jumping in and talking.
🙋🏻♂️
Gene looked like he was in Heaven on that thing.
If im ever able to get one i want chad to do the sprinkler on it.
Done!! ✅
How waterproof are those two hatches on the upper deck? Like when you have a big thunderstorm or when you take a wave over the bow, I know you have the scupper holes, but how is that water going to drain so it doesn’t get into the tank and stuff that hatches
That ending! 😝🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ha! Thanks
I see the "is it even a kayak" controversy already. That being said I will be getting one asap hahahha!!!
They can argue about what it is while I go fishing from it
@@ChadHooverFishing Facts!!!
@@flaminggorilla909 at first glance I kinda thought that. After looking at specs it’s similar to many large fishing kayaks. I think it’s the front deck that makes it look more boat than kayak.
Kinda mimics a NuCanoe platform in several ways - curious to see how much traction this gets!
It’s actually much closer to the Wilderness Systems ATAK that Hans also designed over ten years ago.
@@ChadHooverFishingHans is a legend!
Hey Chad I have heard from several sources that Motorguide is discontinuing there xi3 trolling motors within the next year. Will other trolling motors be able to mount directly onto the built in trolling motor bracket? I’m just worried about buying this kayak and then not having a trolling motor that that can be mounted onto the bow. It seems like everyone is building there kayaks around having a xi3 bow mount now.
If there isn’t a direct mount there will be plates available very quickly from Bonafide, Ketch and One Objective. We also got it directly from the person at ICAST that the kayak version would NOT be discontinued. But, I also heard this rumor
Curious if the standing capacity on the front deck
There’s a pic somewhere of Chad standing on the bow?
Probably less than 15 BMI 😂
I think this thing is awesome. I figure if you are going to get a big lake kayak and have to trailer it, why not go big right? Totally get a bass boat in a kayak with this. I actually really like this. Very cool 👍 Love the dance brother 😂
Ha! Thanks
I’m kind of interested, but I’m not sure I’d be able to load this onto my ladder rack system
I’m not either, it’s going to be one of the first things I try when I get mine
@@ChadHooverFishing A video about how it goes would be great. probably help a lot of people decide weather they want one. I definitely do but that will be the decider
Nice kayak! What is the motor horsepower rating of the XTR 130?
It’s not 100% finalized yet. When I get a production model I will do an updated video with all of those details and a full hull and on the water review
It's a hybrid of a Jon boat and kayak.
I would call it a "Gene Boat"
If I had $$$$ and a trailer , I would definitely buy it. But I looking more toward a Native Slayer propel 10 budget wise
Propel 10 is only $100 less, of course this boat needs a motor and battery.
@db9818 I understand, I want the Native Slayer propel 10 ($2250) due to its 62 lb weight. I'm J barring a Lifetime Tamarack Pro , it's 57lbs.
If I had a trailer and budget for motors. I'll probably buy a PWR
That’s apples to oranges for a comparison though.
@@ChadHooverFishing Well Bonafide wins Best in Show every year at the state fair 😆
Definitely want to see how it paddles.
I am not sure you do
@@linetherapyfishing Row it like a Viking ship
She paddles great!
Compared to the SS127 it only takes a paddle stroke or two to achieve the same speed!
Hey Chad. Do you happen to know where the widest part of the XTR is? Trying to figure out if it will fit on my trailer?
At the bow next to the standing deck and then at the very back of the boat at the stern
Will it come with the motor ?!!
2700 bucks I think? If it came with motor I might consider it.
Uh, no. Not for that price
That's an amazing kayak. I understand you are involved in many of the kayak tournament series rules. If you rig that kayak out with the bow mount motor and the NK 300 stern mount motor, like Hans says he would rig it for a tournament, under current rules it is not a legal kayak fishing platform since it would have 2 motors. Now that the company you work for is selling this type of kayak now are you open to changing the rules?
This needs the camo pattern so I can also load it up for duck hunting.
It will be available in camo and there will be some duck hunting options
@@ChadHooverFishing this is why you and the bonafide crew are the best.
Honest question: why doesn't it have a rudder from the factory?
Price and not everyone wants one so it’s doesn’t make sense to run the price up for something that isn’t a value proposition for everyone.
@@ChadHooverFishing makes sense. Any idea how expensive of an add on it will be? I see a ton of value in this platform at the targeted price, so adding a rudder is fairly trivial I guess lol
@@ChadHooverFishing and thanks for responding. I bet y'all are tired from iCast. I know when I do trade shows it's pretty brutal lol
@@mmancino1982 it’s a platform geared towards using an electric motor so a rudder wouldn’t be of any advantage imo. Foot control or remote is all you’re going to need.
@@db9818 don't entirely agree. I run an auto pilot and there's a noticeable difference between using the TM with the rudder in the water and not. Could just be the AP hull not tracking as well though
It is a neat boat, but it's not the game changer I'm looking for. We need a planning hull boat that has all these features but can cruise around at 15-20 mph. The Veer 13 may not have the rigging options, but since it needs a trailer anyways, I want a faster boat so I can get places. Maybe that's the next generation? Surely there has to be a design that could blend this boat and the Veer 13 to give speed, fishability, and a price under $15k boat/motor/trailer. I own 6 kayaks and I'm not buying another one. What I want is an affordable one-man bass boat.
Mihla lite skiff
We will get this one up to 10-12 with some of the stuff that’s coming but 15-20 wouldn’t be possible with this hull design and still be safe in my opinion.
@@jonnyspeed I have an 14’ aluminum “bass” boat does 23mph with a 15hp motor, that’s probably what you need.
@@ChadHooverFishing I’ll take 10-12. That would cover 3x the water in the same time. I still want
A 13-14 ft 1-2 person planning hull boat with all the rigging capability of a kayak but speed of a traditional aluminum boat with a 9.9hp outboard. I don’t care if it’s electric. I’d prefer a gas main motor and electric trolling motor setup.
@@db9818 I want that crossed with the functionality and rigging capability of a kayak
I don’t see the rudder or foot steer options on the website. How much will they be, and is the rudder significantly larger than the PWR rudder to accommodate the greater displacement?
165 god dam, you need a trailer for sure.
Truck beds are also an option
What about cart adding options like native?
They are working through the viability of all that now
@@ChadHooverFishing good to know. Thank for always responding to my plethora of questions on your videos lol. 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Wow 👌
Wish it came with a rudder or skeg
You can easily add it. Most people are taking them off the PWR to use the steering for motors so it made more sense to keep the price lower and let people add it if they want.
@@ChadHooverFishing ahh gotcha
Will it come in red????
@@paulanderson2225 😄 Crimson Tide red , I get it.
Rather go with Scarlett & Gray Ohio State Buckeyes
No. Every time people want red boats and create a bunch of noise, we decide to make them and then no one buys them… LOL
Ahhh yes the expensive version of the Bass Pro Prowler!
Thanks for the comment, but not even close. LOL
The Bass Pro Pond Prowler has a max capacity per seat of 250 pounds. A max overall capacity of 525. The boat weighs 138 pounds without the seats. So even with that it has a usable capacity of 387 pounds. So, if we are just comparing that alone and not all the other features the Prowler wouldn’t hold two average adult men, much less any motors, batteries or fishing gear. That’s before we compare performance, comfort, durability, transportability and all the other advantages this boat has over it.
I really like it.. do they have financing? Layaway? I'm really ready to upgrade from my perception pescador pilot 120 pedal...
Several dealers do, but not directly through the company
@@johngwilson730 it’s $3k that’s a great price point. The add ons will get you though 🤣
where does the transducer go and or mount to?
The back on the transom, just like on a bass boat
It’s a boat in the shape of a kayak
Or is it…. LOL
@@ChadHooverFishing whatever floats your boat LOL
Beautiful boat, I’ve been torn over the last few days about this boat. The Price and it being a stripped hull for almost $3,000 is too much. They don’t even offer a rudder, no front motor plate, not foot steering, it’s all extra. This premium foot steering option seems like a gouge and should come with this boat. If it came with a rudder and steering, I could almost justify 3k. The PWR 129 is a reasonable offering and great value. This boat loses it luster when it comes to the lack of value and being nickel and dime’ed on such a high cost bare boat!
It’s not bare, it comes with everything you need and the same foot pedals and steering that the PWR currently comes with. The rudder was left off to keep the cost down because in our experience with the PWR, a large majority of the people are removing it to use the foot steering to steer a stern mounted motor. You can never make everyone happy, but this boat is a great value for all that it does come with and if you include the upgraded steering that cost, though it’s “included” is almost tripled by the time it makes it to a dealer.
@@ChadHooverFishing included upgraded steering? As to the Rudder, it should be standard for those who start with a bow mount motor and be included like the per 129 at a cost of almost $3,000. The Price and lack of a rudder, motor plate and make it a hard trigger pull for me. The new Wilderness that is wired and comes with all the bits and pieces seems is the trend all manufacturers should be following, and where I thought Bonified was going to continue to go with the example they created with the 129. I get it, not everyone can be made happy, however by removing the nickel and dime perception, it might open a few more wallets. I still get my buy this boat, but like I said, I not excited about the way they have priced and selling this boat at all! Also consider what you get for similar money with an old town autopilot. Way more value IMO
Looks cool, but when the only form of transportation is a trailer it’s time to stop calling it a kayak.
It’s not the only form of transportation. You can easily truck bed it. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that you can car top it, but you can easily put it in a truck bed.
@@ChadHooverFishing everyone’s abilities are different but I don’t see one person loading or unloading and transporting this boat
My next Tupperware boat will be a bonafide not this one? Maybe the peddle one or just their paddle version. this one looks cool but too much for what I do. I could see making that big storage hatch into a live bait well?? lol - great point about it being on the flats and a poling dream!
Or a live well?
@@traildust92 be easy to do with the built in scupper holes
We talk about that in the next video. You are spot on
That’s the great thing about BONAFIDE. There is a comprehensive line up so you can get the craft that’s right for you
@@ChadHooverFishing I got to paddle one on a trip and they really impressed me, stability of it and how easy it paddled, it was nice, really thinking at that peddle version though
I’m not trying to be a smart ass. I’m honestly curious what’s the advantage of this over a nicely outfitted aluminum John boat?
It’s quieter, easier to rig, easier to transport, has more outfitting options, it’s more comfortable and it will perform better whether is is paddled or motorized
@@spencerdeaton7202 can’t fish kayak tournaments in a John boat
These kayak have gone ridiculous. You will need a trailer and 2 guys to carry it and can’t even paddle it anymore
That’s something that will get me out of a Nucanoe. How does it paddle?
It actually paddles pretty well. And not just for a big boat
I’m sure this will stir up a lot of “just get a jon boat” comments. Kayaks like this are what is “in” now. If you aren’t a fan buy something different.
Well said, too many folks obsessed with what should and shouldn’t be called a kayak. Who gives a crap, it is what it is…if you like it and want to buy it then do so. If you don’t, move along and do your own thing.
Because they have to have something to complain about…. LOL
True, but I like the idea of launching from a truck bed
As a family guy, I need something more like this. But, with that said I see a lack of commitment to the overall design of this vessel. Who cares what it’s called kayak / fishing kayak / personal watercraft. You’re on the verge of building something “I” want to buy. And sells is what’s needed to keep any business going. So..with that said I have to ask why isn’t the front rear hatch closest to the seat made with a back level wall? Why was it cut out to have a space to reach in between the hatch and the wall? I’d rather had a flat level wall so u could have made it into dry storage or made it into a cooler or livewell/bait well. I would’ve rigging up a pump and a stand pipe to let water pump in from the scupper to the level of the stand pipe and let it overflowed out the stand pipe. Worried about water weight, or it being harder to paddle? I’m fishing not paddling we’re pulling 100plus pounds of gear top side trying to balance it from falling out thanks to lack of internal storage. And 400lbs worth of people on top of that. I’ll let my guest have the spare paddle and we’ll paddle together lol or better yet I’ll let the motor do all the work so I can fish.
The lack of a raise rear back deck” is my biggest gripe with this watercraft. Why did you stop?? Why wasn’t it made to match the front? I want a raised rear area to match the front with storage with hatch top access just like the front. Maybe make this watercraft 14ft long and 50plus inch’s wide in the rear to give us a better standing platform/ insulation ice chests to keep longer body fish on ice, or a livewell/ baitwell. A place to add the seating up there on the “raised rear”. With a couple storage hatch box options and a nice elongated middle hatch to put them longer red fish on ice. I like to take both my small kids with me. They need a place to seat. I need a place to add in a battery, a cooler, a livewell/baitwell a place to keep fish on ice ,storage for my tackle, and gunnel rod storage. I wanna rig up and leave it where I put it whether I’m on the water or towing at home or to the lake. Clean deck! No boxes, bags, tackle boxes, ice chest, batteries, and so on to trip on. Leave it stored in a closed hatch into I need it. Make it stable to walk to the front to the rear to get to all my stuff stored inside the hull of the personal watercraft. If folks want a small kayak? Then bonifide makes lots of smaller kayak options. Leave us kayak yachts alone! 🤣
It will be easy to add a live well with the scuppers in it with a simple drop in pan. Those are plans for the future. Everything is a balance and all the things you mentioned are great, but the boat would need to be much larger to accommodate them.
Every watercraft can’t possibly meet the needs of every single person’s desires. But from the laundry list of things that you want in this watercraft, it really just means you want a different watercraft and that’s okay, it just means this one isn’t for you.
There will be a rear casting deck in the future as well, but not everyone wants or needs that or wants to give up the space for their BlackPak or other gear management so it will be an accessory for those that want it.
I definitely want the rear raised deck. And I wanna encourage these classy looking kayak yacht makers to please press forth and give it to us. Don’t become discouraged by wording. We want it or we wouldn’t be adding crazy gear the way we do. I want something I can take my wife and or kids out with. I’m a bass fisherman and I want a rear raised deck with storage back there like they did in the front. I own a Hobie PA14 360. And it’s not everything I’d hoped it would be. But, im clearly good with a bigger longer boat. I trailer all 4x of my kayaks and I will trailer my next one just makes it easier for me getting in and out of triple digit heat temperatures in Mississippi. So please stick with expansion of larger personal watercraft’s. We want them. And a shade top lol
Chad one question my friend. Any option for a wheels ? my biggest problem with this kayak
You can put it on a cart just like any other kayak out there. I’m not sure if they are going to recommend the SideKick (Landing Gear) for it yet.
I'm a kayak fisherman, when do kayaks get so big and heavy that it's not a kayak.
I’m not sure, but this isn’t the biggest or the heaviest being called a fishing kayak. The Hobie PA is a foot longer and 2” narrower. . It’s also the same weight when you actually weigh it instead of going off the weight on their website. The NuCanoe Unlimited is six inches shorter, but an inch wider. The Native Titan X is pretty much the same size and weight. The BlueSky Boat works is bigger all around. So, to answer your question, I don’t know. We are evolving as a sport and we are using fishing kayaks and not kayaks so I think the fishing kayak category and definition is evolving and we will just have to see how it settles out over time.
What is the top speed with the bow mount motors?
There is no way to really answer that accurately. But we have seen between 3.9 and 5.1 thus far. We haven’t tried multiple motors yet and worked on trim and load balancing to see what we can really get out of it. Should be able to answer this better soon.
Looks like a boat!
That’s because it is. All kayaks are boats. Thanks for the comment
Will there a pedal version, or a pedal drive option in the near future? Not everyone wants motors.
No. There are great pedal options from Native
@@ChadHooverFishing And Bonafide......
@@ChadHooverFishing Yes, I'm planning to get the Titan Propel X, but this looks interesting. I'm sure more large kayak options are coming as well.
Yeah, It’s called a Titan X 12.5
@@bigguyinalittleboat7927 Thanks for the clarification 🙄
Ship date?
Bonafide is saying September
All this “boat” talk is stupid… do what you wanna do! If you dont wanna do this DONT lol simple its ok for someone else to like something different and have different needs
I think its definitely a tournament anglers dream. Is the regular weekend warrior gonna need this!? Probably not! But the guys and girls chasing hardware on bigger lakes this is gonna be a amazing boat! I wish i woulda had it for candlewood ill tell ya that!
Why do kayaks have to do everything boats do?
@@MichaelBecker-jn8yi they don’t do the same things… kayaks can go where bass boats can’t but boats can go faster. Have you ever fished a kayak tournament?
@@MaineStreamFishing no kidding. I’ve been fishing kayak tournaments for 10 years and run a league. I’m well aware of the difference between a boat and a kayak. My point is, it seems as though the Kayak world keeps asking for and making kayaks that need to have all of the features of a boat. Bonafide actually said it’s modeled after a small bass boat. As far as getting places boats can’t, I bet there are plenty of places this new Bonafide can’t go, like small, shallow, skinny rivers. Or heavy grass lakes, or the middle of a lily pad field. So it seems to me the Kayak industry has be come more concerned about making kayaks to be like boats than kayaks.
All of that and no pedal option? Fail!
Thanks for the comment. It’s silly, but thanks for making it. If it had a pedal drive it would be way more expensive and have way less room. About 50% to 75% of people that I know with pedal drive kayaks are leaving them at home and using a motor. If you want a pedal drive, buy a pedal drive kayak. It really is that simple.
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The kayak industry has kept me laughing for years now. I work in the plastics industry and i don't think you guys understand how cheap HDPE is.
Everyone knows how cheap plastic used to be. But the plastic is the lowest factor affecting price. Engineering, mold building, the amount of space it takes for the ovens, outfitting and storage, the trained personnel cost, insurance, taxes, etc are all factored into the cost. The cost of heat alone to build the kayak is equal to or more than the cost of plastics. Thanks for the comment though.
People who make this comment have kept me laughing for years, actually decades. It’s easy right? Then buy yourself a building, hire an engineer, purchase about $30,000 in design software and computers, then buy yourself a couple of ovens (they are only about $1,000,000 give or take a couple hundred thousand) then have them installed in your 30,000 to 100,000 sq ft building. Hire six to ten rotomolding workers and then order your first mold for $40,000 to $80,000.
From there, build a couple of injection molds for parts like latches and handles, they are only about $10,000 to $30,000 each. Once you knock that out, get yourself a machine to thermoform hatches, lids, pans, etc. They are pretty cheap at another $25,000 to $50,000.
Now all you have left is to hire a sales force to go get dealers onboard, market your kayak so that people walk into those dealers and want to buy it and then the last step is to pre-pay for all of the raw materials to build these boats, ship them to dealers and wait a few months to start getting any of your money back. While you are waiting on that money to come back, you can start spending more to build another mold to offer your second kayak, but by this point it’s easy because your initial $6,000,000 to $10,000,000 investment has already been done.
Easy right? When should we expect your first kayak?
@ChadHooverFishing The price of all of that adds up to pennies on the dollar when it is spread over every kayak they build.
@ChadHooverFishing Your need to justify a false narrative is laughably cute.
The mainstream kayak companies like Hobie, Old Town, and others have made the money back on their investments years ago.
Again I work for a plastics company that sells a few products to the aerospace industry. We have a plastic polymer that is impact proof and flame resistant. Don't talk not me about engineering costs when you are talking about a plastic kayak.
30 seconds in and you’re saying you’re going to be quiet and hold questions to the end 😂. Let’s see. My money is on under 2 minute mark for you to break that.
lol I knew it. You’re a lot of things sir. Quiet is not one of them. 🍻🍀🎣🍿
Thanks! 😜
At what point is it just a boat? When you have to trailer it and can't paddle, it it's no longer a kayak.
Who cares. Don’t like it don’t buy it
You can paddle it. It paddles really well. It actually paddles better than almost all pedal drive kayaks on the market. You can also put it in the bed of your truck. And since we are playing the definition game, all kayaks are actually boats.
It is looking like a Jhon Boat
What part looks like a Jon boat?
Drop a link here to a jon boat that looks anything like this. 😜
@@ChadHooverFishing when is the next video coming up for more information on this kayak?
No live well
You can easily put a live well in it and I’m twisting Han’s arm to make
One that drops into the front hatch under the standing deck
How much $$$$$$
$2800
How much dat jawn?
$2800
Can I get an aluminum hull? 🤷♂️
Don’t let that thing compete in tourneys. It’s not a yak
It’s as much of a kayak as many others that are already competing in kayak tournaments.
Hey Chad, love the 'Yak and walkthrough.
(And Chad, if you lose a hundred pounds, you can bring your girlfriend AND her Mom!). Lol... Jus' kidding...
Exactly
just get a jon boat
You can do that. By the time you outfit a jon boat this nicely you will have spent more and have a less capable watercraft. But you do you boo…
This is not a kayak…. Not even close… it’s a plastic Jon boat. It’s a cool idea, but don’t call it a kayak.
It’s not a kayak. It’s a fishing kayak. I’m not wearing a skirt, helmet and nose plug
@@ChadHooverFishing fishing kayak either. That’s more like a souped up “pond prowler” for real. A Fishing boat. It’s cool though.
Price?
$2800