2024 Porsche Cayenne S vs The Cheapest V8 Cayenne You Can Buy
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2023
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The 2024 Porsche Cayenne S ($149,770 as specced in Canada, $129,820 in the US) is now back in V8 format after several years of V6 power. But how does it compare to the cheapest V8 of yesteryear we could find, a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S being sold for just $10,995 in Canada (~$7,970 USD converted). The new Cayenne S boasts some serious power and can be optioned to the moon, but the older Cayenne has some rugged character and costs less than just a few options on the new one. How far has the Cayenne come in 15 years? Thomas and James are excited to find out! We hope you enjoy the episode! And then subscribe, silly.
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Man I love this old vs new/ cheap vs expensive series
its like my mom vs your mom
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Same
Same here, just so much fun
I like to watch them because I’m hoping one day they prefer the older cheaper one over the new one 😆
Throttle House has become my Top Gear replacement. Love every video
Ditto
They REALLY DO have the same dynamic as Clarkson/Hammond/May, and I love every minute of it.
@@EmolokzThrow Jason Cammisa in with them and you've got the perfect top gear replacement. And Randy Pobst can be the Stig equivalent.
@@TheWarehamster10000% agreed. MotorTrend needs to give them a show and stop the stupid muscle shows they are doing.
@@EmolokzHammond from Drivetribe joining TH could be nice also.
Perfect comic timing on that opening bit! Another great video, guys!
Real talk! 😂It was too perfect, I wonder if someone pulled a string in the back. ❤ it!
We owned a 2006, bought new, the back of the seat fell off as well in a couple of years. In addition at 52k miles, the ceramic manifold cracked. Porsche would not warranty it. It took a class action lawsuit to get reimbursed. It drove and braked nicely for a heavy car but under powered.
I LOL'd pretty hard at that bit. So good.
@@BS-xl8ukthe 45k Cayenne do the job better.
@@jeanridelbasigura8023the 2024 Cayenne imo is 22kgs heavier than the old Cayenne.
It is extremely fascinating how Porsche went back to the V8 in an era where combustion engines are getting smaller and smaller. Their commitment to fun, engaging cars has always impressed me.
They know how to make money.
@@verhu010 Giving people what they want tends to do that.
it's not surprising when you can get 200 hp from a 4 cylinder now, even V6 and V8 are disappearing
People who can afford a high spec cayenne don't give a shit about fuel economy.
Cause you're paying V8 Prices when it breaks down.
Those "old vs new" videos are by far my favourite on TH. You're doing amazing work guys
same
Carwow should take note of that.
They are the only ones I watch and reason to subscribe
Mad Mats, new character! You guys are the greatest car reviewers/entertainers, exactly what we need right now.
The 2006 Cayenne kinda reminded me to Cayenne from SHOX (PS2 RALLY GAME BY EA SPORTS BIG).
I use to be a Doug guy. But once i found these guys i just can't even listen to his voice anymore. These guys are the perfect balance of fun and information. Love these vs videos!
So true, couldn't stand listening to him either
They're so different, idk why it needs to be either/or 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
He knows a lot and gets great cars, but the narration is keeping me off watching. @downhillwithoutskills6046
Agreed he annoys me idk why i think it’s his voice
“THIIIISSSSS IS..”
Doug isn’t funny. He has passion and he gives thorough looks at cars’ interiors, but he never criticizes and his review metrics are dry. He also only looks at the most expensive of the most expensive. It’s great if you’re a Chinese international student or a 4th grader, but looking at the Koenigsegg Dildo 300x+ 1 limited edition a2+b2=c2 v17 rear-seat stitch quality for the 50th time is fucking annoying. It’s like he worships expensive shit.
i did an apprenticeship a few years ago in a porsche dealership and we did a service on a first gen cayenne s belonging to a forest ranger. It had 392.000km and was still running strong besides being constantly offroaded
First gens were really over engineered so lots of annoying crap to eventually break, but mostly solid. My dads 06 Turbo S was flawless for engine/transmission at 155k, but the key stuck in the ign, worn bushings, few oil leaks etc, everything added up to not be worth it really and he bought a new base model, (2019 at the time) still has it and absolutely loves it. Know a few folks taking them over 200k miles. (330ish km)
my uncles cayenne finally retired at dang near 275k miles, blew me away everytime i got the chance to drive it or even be a passenger, made porsche my dream car maker for sure
Mad Mats with the paintball was truly hilarious, I seldom laugh out loud at stuff on YT, but now im wiping away tears !. You guys are terrific
I've seen some well-sorted older Cayenne V8s outfitted for off-road duty. It was surprisingly capable for what was once a high end Mommy Mobile.
Totally. And I think porsche dropped a ball a bit when they ditched that part in new generations. I mean apart from some billionares, nobody offroads Land Cruisers or Range Rovers as _new_ either. But big part of their value is that second owners do. And it's an option for the mad sort of first ones too. And I would claim that atleast in my neck of the woods, very few (if any), Land Cruisers aren't offroaded in their later life.
Porsche originally thought that the people buying Cayennes would be car nerds like the people buying 911's. They changed them into soccer mom cars when they saw what the vast majority of buyers were using them for.
@@joshuathompson8474 I believe they made the Cayenne to break into the broader market. Porsche was a dying company. Car nerds are great, but they aren't as profitable as general mass market. The Cayenne saved Porsche in a way. Of course, they always need to add something special for the car nerds too.
These things were originally based on the VW Touareg which was a solid off-roader - when it ran.
@@jordanschooley7836 What do you mean by that. The 3.2 VR6 and the 4.2 Timing belt V8 never had problems. It was always the TQ converter and clutch packs in the transmission. Oh and people not clearing the sunroof rain drains allowing everything important to get soaked in water. The people who bought them were to fucking stupid to take care of a vehicle.
As an owner of a 2009 Cayenne this is SPOT ON. The back of the seats, lift gate, build quality. Everything you guys said is absolutely true. I was laughing to how relatable and true the review was. You 2 are the best!
how is reliability tho?
@@oskarjennische2490horribly unreliable
@@oskarjennische2490 200k miles and still running strong.
@@aydenchurchill8447 would love to get one once i finnish university, although they give me that drugdealer vibe that i absolutely dislike. i can hopefully do most maintenance myself, i've worked a bit on older cars
He is absolutely wrong about the headlights on the facelift tho. The gen1 is terrible. The gen2 lights still look sick considering its age
The head shot!! I felt the pain. Great intro and ad, as always! These cheap vs expensive episodes are what the car internet needs.
Omg those hurt sooooooo much. I figured they’d hit the mask, but no, he got straight canoed. I legit believe he blacked out for a second
Old school Cayenne's are pretty great off-roaders actually. And I would say they have a lot more personality than the new ones. Great video, team!
Yes. I have both old and new Turbo S. The old one had loads more character in the drive feel. Oodles of grip and heavy steering.
I remember one of the early top gear videos about a cayenne and I was flabbergasted how good it was off-road. Although I was young and native back then;), but nevertheless it was capable.
Agree.. drove the 2009 -2012 and was pretty impressed on road feel and character… let’s see the GTS review old and new one in great condition.. comparing new and poor condition old is not a good match
But they are UGLY - inside and out.
@@Spenny9092005 Porsche Boxster still is FIRE like RUF 3400S.
Mad mats is brilliant, definitely the best showcase for sponsor 😂
The humour and quality you guys bring has gotten so good recently. I don’t recall the last time I laughed out loud at a RUclips video. Legitimately feels like I’m watching top gear Canadian edition.
They should always include an asterisk on the old car price as there seems to be a noticeable difference in the price they found it for and the price listed after the video becomes popular.
I mean this one is only $1k more now
I mean you can get them easily for £7k in the UK, it'll fall apart but still
@@Lukeywoodseyyou can get them for as cheap as £1500 in the UK but it WILL be shit😂😂
@@Xaiuxthe old still powerful than the new Cayenne.
@@Afraz_9n3as awful as Honda S600 for sure 😂
My Cayenne feels personally attacked. Those seats are an easy fix! I made a video about that!
It even has ventilated seats 😂
😂I put a new suspension on mine - re-did the headlights, last owner took great care of it so the color is fresh and not this muted blue - some people repaint theirs - you can get it looking and feeling close to new
Worst part for me is that the dealer broke those clips when i took it in for service. I had the back seats down for my dog and they backed the front seats right up into them and wouldn't admit to it.
I suscribe because you didn’t ask for 🫡
I have a 2006 turbo S and the seat back just fell off 😅. Couldn’t find your video to fix it though.
I drove a 2008 Cayenne S 4.8as my first car and had to get rid of it after 5 years last year and man did seeing this video take me back to some good memories especially the back of the drivers seat falling into the backseat🤣. Quite the handful of problems but when everything was running smoothly it was one of the greatest first cars to exist
do u regret selling it or the repairs not worth the headache , would u rather get a Japanese or American v8 suv?
@@Seriesxnationafter taking it in for inspections it would have been 10k in repairs to get it back on the road, so the car wasn’t worth that. But because of the cayenne I’m team German all the way
This is easily my favorite series yall do ngl, always fun to see how much more advanced a car gets in 10-20 years or also instead seeing how much of that experience you can get at a fraction of the cost
fun enough, this week I bought one in Montreal, for 3k$, 2009, V6 , 250k km. No check engine , all working. the owner (original) told me he never put any $ but basic maintenance. Very impressive for a 1gen touareg/cayenne. Went online , and in deed those were overbuilt, no major issues. Ready for our beautiful salty roads.
Now people think I'm a super baller in a 3k$ cayenne.
I work at Porsche, and i will happily say, the new Cayenne S is amazing. Bringing back the V8 for the S model was a big win for us. And on top of that, no lithium ion battery! Thank god.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the 2024 isn’t available yet, this is a 2023 cayenne
@burdett95 it is though 🤔. Our e3.2 Cayennes are all 2024 model year productions. We start counting after July (following New Financial Year).
@@SpeedCafeGarage yeah its model year 24, but build year 23. Thus its not a 2024 cayenne.
@@burdett95wut?
@@burdett95 That's not how it works buddy.
Im a former mechanic. That 10k Porsche will be the most expensive car you ever bought
I’m a current owner of that model, and I can confirm your comment.
How much should you put aside for repairs and maintenance?
💯true
Your comment is far over exaggerated and most likely uneducated
@@woodstock_wolfpackno it is not
You guys never fail to deliver! Absolutely love the old/new comparison videos you do, and while I could care less about the Cayenne in general, I absolutely loved the video! And the Mad Mat skit, was beyond the icing on the cake! Keep it up!
I loved the subtle Carmudgeon Show and Smoking Tire Podcast plugs in the new Cayenne interior review section of the video!! Love, Love, LOVE the Old versus New videos! They really are always a little unpredictable, but predictably hilarious!! Please keep up the amazing work Throttle House team!!!
I am so psyched! I literally bought a 2007 with 80000km on the clock yesterday and then this video comes out and proves I made the right decision. Also mine was 5% of the original price here in Malaysia thanks to heavy taxes. I got one with regular suspension because 15 years later the price of a new set of air suspension from Porsche costs more than the car, it's very likely to break soon and recons or Chinese will also break within 6 months. So to all other prospective buyers; find one without PDCC!
Enjoy it while it lasts - hint it won't be long.
V8 6 can go 400k miles I've seen
@@fredbrackelyActually this generation of Cayenne is rather reasonably reliable.
You clearly have zero experience on this. I'm on my second Cayenne. A 2008 S and 2009 GTS both with the 4.8 V8. I've clocked almost 200,000 KM combined and literally have yet to have a failure...@@fredbrackely
I remember having a 2007 Cayenne S, it had 350,000kms on it and I live in Edmonton, Alberta. Even though it was miled out, I bought it for $3k CAD and had the most fun with it. Such a head turner, SO much fun to drive, and sounded AMAZING.
Hey guys, I´m an engineer from Porsche. It´s interesting how cheap that 2009´cayenne is in Canada. With that Mileage that model costs about 16-18k € in Germany today. So enjoy the show, even with the particular damages. Best regards!
I drive an 09 cayenne, had the headlights replace to get rid of the fog. Still runs amazingly and has a lot of underrated bells and whistles for the price. Also the front end is way more attractive than the current cayenne. Mine is black on black and it looks like it just came out of the factory paint and leather wise
How many miles
@@EdwardChun24 140k
My mom got the same one they got in the video but when it came out. There roasting the looks cuz they got the shittiest looking color and rims on it. But it has a timeless design its classy the newer one is too edgy and sharp. black on black is niceee with it if u blacked out the matt chrome, ours is champagne gold, so it matches, and mojac beige interior with mahogany trim and gts 21' rims.
There's something about you two. I tend to get bored with most reviewers, unless its an extra special car. But you guys keep me hooked no matter what.
I love these guys. They’re good at joking around and they’re great at reviewing cars
Better than Carwow at reviewing? Yes.
Had my weathertech mats in my mustang for going on 5 years. Still after all that time, just a hose and a wipe and they look brand new again.
Great video guys!
You two are the best car journalists. Keep bringing these types of videos. Very good work guys!
I *need* more Mad Matts. WeatherTech should be very very proud.
Mad Mats was an unexpected and hilarious surprise.😅
I love that you guys do these comparison videos! its like you're inside my mind
You really are the only channel where I can watch the hole 20 minute segment without getting bored or tired of to many cheap jokes.
Great job as always
You can actually get aftermarket headkights for those Cayenne models that look like the new headlights for a little over $1000. They MASSIVELY improve how the car looks.
The older is more beautiful
There's actually quite a few parts out there for these. There's modern stereo replacements, LED taillight replacements... The only thing you can't really get on these is more power inexpensively.
Maybe it's just in the video but the old V8 sounds better, IMHO. Great video!
Giving credit where credit is due, props on the sponsorship bit! I normally fast forward through all sponsored clips on YT and appreciate those that show the "bar" at the bottom (IYKYK) so that I dont over-fastforward. In this case, I was actually looking forward to seeing the rest of the Mad Mats clip/ad at the end and you guys did not disappoint!! 😂
Can’t argue…..you guys are priceless: love the humour, the analysis, the tracking, old / new, etc. Suggestion: how about comparing brand similar EV to ICE - ie Volvo to Volvo, Ford - Mustang to Mustang, F150 to Lightning Jaguar to Jaguar,etc, etc. Thanks for keeping me hooked.
i love the old vs. new series, I'm so glad yall are still going strong with it!
I really like these old vs new comparisons
I love ur old vs new videos, especially luxurious german brands, keep up with the great work TH !❤
Old vs. New of properly-fun enthusiast cars is a great show concept. Well done!
I loved my V8 cayenne, glad they are back with the V8. Also... talk about product placement. That sponsor segment wat epic. :D
Man I see these on Facebook marketplace all the time and they’re too tempting 😂 might have to pull the trigger for winter
I’ve never watched anyone pull off ads the way these guys do, great job 👏🏻
Another banger as is the usual! Love you guys!!! ❤ Thank you sooooooo much for continuing to put out this amazing content!!!!
I actually like the face-lift version of the old model from the front!
4:48 please give Mad Mats a barnacle boy-like side kick 😂
Brilliant. Easily one of your best. Great video; keep it up guys, love your work.
Les gars! You've done it again! Loved every moment, but especially the Porsch...e that broke Thomas! Bravo!
Great video as usual. In defense of the more Mature Cayenne, I’d say the lift would have worked had you held the button the whole time. It was always designed to work that way from new.
When I first got my used one I thought it was broken as well. Not sure why they designed it that way 😂
I would love to get this series with a 986 and 718 boxsters too!
Definitely the Boxster!
We are so spoiled that this is a RUclips video. The quality is off the charts and it’s uploaded to the same site that people upload their home cat videos. Also top notch product advertisement
That new interior scene was one of the funniest bits you’ve done. Great comedic timing and edits. Love it
Love your videos, keep it up❤
I was never a fan of the fried egg/996 911 headlights but I honestly like how it looks here on the facelifted Gen1.
If they were fixed by being polished up, they’d look even better than the new LED headlights.
you guys are really carrying the top gear torch, love the banter and content
That was the ONLY time I’ve ever laughed at a sponsored bit. Well done. If more ads were like that, I’d watch them.
Lmfao. That headshot was criminal 😂
I took a shot clean on the adams apple once, I went from feeling like seal team 6 to sounding like cat with a hairball
perfect comparison choice, i love the cayenne specially the 957
OMG the WeatherTech test was the best thing I've seen all week. Absolutely died laughing, and I needed a set for my new truck so went onto there website and got a set, and made sure I selected Throttle House as where I heard about them. Keep it up guys!
Great video!! I just bought a one owner 2005 base model with 6sp manual with 126k miles from a family friend in August for dirt cheap because trade-in values tanked and they literally parked it in 2017. With a bunch of personal repair labor and parts that aren’t super expensive I have it back on the road as of October. Being a shared platform with the Q7 and Touareg, there is an abundance of aftermarket support for the older ones AND Porsche announced the 955 & 957 are a part of Porsche Classic program.
You guys need to review the 07 09 acura mdx. Acura tsx. Old acura legend and the acura vigor. Those were very interesting cars and extremely reliable.
I definitely wouldn’t mind a track test in these old vs new videos.
Awesome work as always! I will say that regarding the clinical feel of the Cayennes and how they’ve remained to that, you guys need to test a 957/958 generation GTS, these have so much character and excitement in them! They go like stink and handle beautifully!
Love the video, especially the intro and ending. Doesn't hurt that the old car ran and kept running.
Had a 2009 Cayenne S for the past four years. That is the sound of 13 MPG 😅😅
How much did u pay on maintance
@@pbufh It began to add up things needed repair. Fuel pump was probably the most expensive repair.
@@trevormacdougall9385 ok just curious as I live in Canada and have seen some go for 10-12k but I always figured the maintance would be insane expensive on them since you're still paying to mainte a luxury vehicle.
@@pbufh I also live in Canada. It’s not crazy expensive if you have a good indie shop. Oil changes etc are fine. It’s just they are getting on in age and eventually things need replacing. Genuine Porsche parts aren’t cheap. But overall they are solid trucks.
I would love to see you guys do old Chevy suburban vs new suburban
2023 Surburban Vs the cheapest Suburban you can buy...sounds like a great idea. I just wonder what year they'll pick for the old one.
You guys must have so much fun as a team, making a living while playing with cars and go to nice places! I must say, I enjoy this content just as much as the old UK topgear, Chapeau
Yet more proof that WeatherTech think too highly of themselves. Your "ads" for them almost made me like the company. I'd like to see the click-thru on your WeatherTech link vs anyone else's. Keep up the good work :)
That intro is hilarious, as always!
Ironically, now there is SO MUCH of an offroad community that's arisen around the Cayenne. It's actually been driving the prices up again.
There’s not a happier sponsor on the planet than weather tech right now hahaha
Great episode. Old = certain cars were a great value, even used years later. New = price is insane on same model + dealer markups.
Let's say it all together once again, kids: "There's no such thing as a cheap Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Bentley, Rolls, etc., etc.".
17:35 Of all things though, $150 for dash cam prep isn't horrible, if it's wired neatly and you're left with convenient USB ports for plugging in a dash cam (hopefully any brand), that's nice. I have hardwired dual dash cams in both our vehicles and if it was an option from factory to have the wires and predetermined location done, I'd be all over that.
BMW offers that, the dash cameras are integrated into the infotainment too.
Keep the old vs new videos coming they are awesome !
I just love James and Thomas are like chatting happily and casually about those Cayennes
I hope you guys do a video on the Mazda CX-30 turbo
They are literally identical
HOLY SHIT the Mad Mats was probably the funniest skit you guys have to date. WELL DONE 🤣🤣
french canadian subscriber here. I can't believe you guys are from Toronto. I really enjoy your videos.
Air suspension is a recipe for added repairs and costs outside the warranty, everyone I know that have it on their car that is older than 5 years as to replace the bags, or compressor or a host of other items
Just replace them with coilovers
I can't afford a new one, so I can't afford a used one.
A 958 Cayenne is definitely a better buy than a 955 or 957.
Love old vs new comparisons! Might be even more interesting if you compared the second gen vs the current, as that may be a realistic choice for someone looking at Cayennes. Cheers!
Extremely timely guys. I have been looking at Cayennes recently. 957 or 958.1 GTSs.
The intro is never change at all 😂👍
That 2009 might cost 10K, but it definitely needs another 10-20K in repairs.
Yeah, you are right but still, even if it is a pain in the ass and cost 50K to own it for 8 years you are still ahead by quite a lot
The maintenance costs are overblown on these. Yeah, I could see the outrageous maintenance costs if the work was done entirely at a stealership--sorry--dealership. However, if whatever maintenance jobs or repairs were taken care of at a quality independent mechanic shop. This particular example notwithstanding, the Cayennes of this generation are pretty reliable. The 4.5 V8 is a Porsche design with some weaknesses, but the V6 (VR6) is the ideal engine for longevity as it makes decent power, sounds great, and is a proven engine overall. Even the V8s aren't bad in the long term once the initial quirks have been solved.
@@rahulmandala4930💯
Or more to stay alive
You might be right, its a gamble. I looked it up for fun and its currently sold certified , again shocking for 2009
Weather tech should be soooo gratefull!! Amazing job!
Love your guys content, especially the old vs new. I wanted to ask, do repair/maintenance costs ever go into account with these kinds of vehicles? I’m in a similar situation right now haha
*** in 2008 I traded my 2002 ML55 AMG in on a 2009 Cayenne S. I regretted it after less then 2 years when water pump went(warranty covered) then 6 years later I sold that POS Cayenne. Coincidentally in 2020 I bought another. 2001 ML55 AMG.
The old Mercedes is a MUCH MUCH better vehicle. It is Faster too. No much but noticeable.
I love my '15 Cayenne SEH, just about to hit 100k miles and my total repair expense (not counting regular maintenance/ consumables) is $0.13 for a resistor for a failed pedestrian alert speaker. Also the flex discs on the driveshaft were replaced as part of a TSB under previous ownership.
I am of the opinion that Cayennes are the most complete car on the market (did you know they tow 7,700 lbs, more than any other SUV or small truck, a tacoma is only good for 6,800 for context). Also a correction to a misconception, the cayennes have actually become even more capable offroaders with each generation, its just that with the 958 gen they switched from a manual two speed transfer case to an automatic torque vectoring one.
Find me another car capable of swallowing the whole family plus luggage for a two week vacation that has the NVH of an S class, handles like a sports sedan, has real steering feel, does 60 in under 5, is as reliable as a Toyota, can tow a large boat, and has the fit and finish of a Porsche. Also my SEH is returning ~31-32 mpg lifetime average.
The V8 in the new S is the ea825 btw, flash tune gives you 725 hp, add an intake and intercoolers and its good for 830, and with tte1020 hybrid turbos it can make 930 hp pump gas without other mods, total cost of about $9k installed including intercoolers intake and tune.
Tuning an already amazing S is such a stupid idea. It already has more power than you can use on the road. How small does your dong have to be to need that?
@@ted6462I don't think has anything to do with small dongs. 60% of premium electric cars will still blow it out of the water.
@@cs1375 Except they don't. They all handle like trash compared to the Cayenne.
@@ted6462 I'm not talking handling and your last comment wasn't either. We were both talking speed.
I lost it when Ja,mes got him on the head with the paintball, thanks for taking one for the team sir
I’ve said it before but these guys are the best car show since top gear I haven’t seen anyone else even come close
Still, I would get the X5 M. It's cheaper and looks much better internally, and the techs way better in 2024 model. Amazing video as usual ❤
No doubt the X5M is a beast at its price point, but this is the standard Cayenne S vs the full fledged X5M, so they’re different beasts from one another
One of the only things less reliable than (some) Porsches lol
Cayenne handling is far better than X5M, in both comfort and sport settings.
The X5M competes with the Cayenne Turbo. The S is a bit below the X5 M50i
@@hi_tech_reptilesgood job showing your ignorance. Porsche and BMW have both been right near the top (along w Lexus) for luxury reliability ratings for at least the last 5 years
Yeah the older cars are less reliable.
Let's be honest...even the new Caynenne doesn't look that good or does it look that new tbh. I think an X5 looks much better, and so does the GLE, but that's just my opinion.
Yes!! The aggressive styling and extra lines and sharp folds don't do it for me. I prefer the 09 Cayenne's looks
This is a great format, old vs new. best show on the web!
You guys do such a great job. Love your videos.