Gentlemen, Jack O’Connor, settled this back in the early 60s, when the 7 mm Remington Magnum was first introduced. To sum it up, O’Connor’s observation was the 7 Rem Mag didn’t do a whole lot more than the 270 Winchester. History repeats itself. Thank you for the wonderful review.
My father swore by his 270.. He loved Jack O Conner... Also love his 7 mm 08. Browning .Micro Medallion. While hunting in Utah he dropped his Browning and then wasn't sure of zero... His buddy said shoot my 35 Whelan it's zeroed... One shot one kill Now he comes home and says, " Boy I really like that 35 Whelan , One shot and the Elk didn't even take a step " lol One thing he understood was that the MOST important thing was shot placement... Shoot what you shoot well
@@Timberdam I’m a huge 270 fan, especially using the 150 grain Partition or a 129 grain LRX. But on elk I prefer the 338 Win Mag, for a little extra insurance. Inside of 300 yards, the 35 Whelen and the 9.3x62 (its ballistic twin), are just as good. There’s also less recoil to deal with.
My first rifle was a 270 and it is still the gun I like to shoot the most. My original 270 was a Ruger M-77 over 40 years ago. I have since bought two other 270’s and I have taken mule deer, antelope, elk and even moose with this cartridge. I have never lost an animal and I would say that was because I always tried to get close and only taken ethical shots at under 400 yards. It has been a great cartridge. I would love to try the 165 Accubond and see how it performs. I do have an X-bolt with a 26 inch barrel that is grouping about 3/4” at 100 yards. This was a very enlightening video and you always bring a wealth of knowledge to the table. Thanks for sharing.
Same here! But 39 years for me. Right hand Ruger M77 270. Not long after I was looking through a hunting magazine and saw Ruger came out with the Mark II M77 and pictured was a left hand and right hand back to back. Called my local store and they just unboxed 2 in left hand chambered in 270. Took my right hand M77 down that I owned for a very short time, traded it in, gave them $20 difference and another $20 to remount my Nikon scope. Some years later first mod was a 3 pound trigger job and a KDF brake. Then around 2003 or 2004 I put a Hart barrel on it, copied the factory contour (a #1 contour) at 25.5 inches. Killed a pile of hogs, mule deer, a pronghorn, and too many to count whitetails. Just sold that rifle May last year. Also sold my full custom 270 last year. Now I own 6 Tikkas in 270 and one other I had built on a Rem 700 action. I'm planning on building a few 280AI with some of those 270s.
@@rosalindstewart7013 If you are asking me it's for several reasons. 1. Rifle on sale, 2. I like to test them and keep those that excel in accuracy with multiple loads. If not, I put a better faster barrel on them and potentially change it to something I don't have or have limited experience, like convert to 280AI, 25-06, 6.5-06, 338-06, 6.5-284 Norma, etc. 3. I have a sick addiction to customizing rifles to varying degrees striving for that quarter minute rifle with lots of bullet choices. Those that make the grade I keep. Those that don't but are close I let people borrow if they need something when they hunt with me or sell them.
@@Accuracy1st fair enough mate and all very good points cheers Yogi ✌️🤙 I didn’t read your user name before I asked but now I have I wouldn’t have asked, love that 270PRC custom you put together mate, all the best bro
No contest. 270 all day long. A light solid 130 for deer, antelope and hogs, 140 for mule deer and big whitetail and 150 Noslers and Swift bullets for elk, bear, moose and light African plains game; best part is no Hornady Cartel to limit your ammo type, variety or price. No comaprison on real field use for game, if just targets, thats another story and there are already many more much better target cartridges out there. Fun topic and I enjoy you channel.
For deer sized game... totally agree. A well tuned 140g is the sweet spot. In the west, for elk and longer shots, I see some real advantages to the 165/170 bullets at 2850 +/-.
@@TheCodyOI’m glad someone said what I was thinking. Hand picked data. Slowed the 7PRC down, and picked the .270 WAY UP! Compare apples to apples, and it wouldn’t be close. He said this was with “real world velocities, and hand loads” yet 2875 is not hand load velocity with a 175 eldx.
Have a pre 64 Winchester 270 that I took my first deer with. Being 74 years old all of my neighbors were WW 2 Veterans. My Dad got the Springfield in the 30-06 cartridge and after changing the stock he hand checkered and cut the barrel off a couple of inches. He had a Weaver scope on it which 8:56 I changed to the Leopoldo 3-7 Power . Back in those days loaning a gun to a friend was no big deal. He also let one of his buddies to loan me the Ithaca Md 37 in 16 ga . Inherited a 16 ga Double Barrel Shotgun from my Grandfather. Along with a split bamboo fly rod with his Medlist reel and use to tie my own flies. While fishing on the Kern River I caught a 2 lb Rainbow trout but I don’t have a net , an Older Gentleman watch me and started crying when I asked him why he told me it was the most beautiful thing he had seen in years. I thought all my kids how to fish and cook and clean them. When they got older I thought them gun safety and how to shoot Rifles, Pistols and Shotguns . All my Kids have bought the CZ 9mms . Personally I was raised on Colts and S&W with the K-22 being one of my favorites and I built a Double Action N frame in the 45LC. It was a True Blessing to be brought up in the 50s- 60s and 70s . I was Drafted in April 15 of 69 but 2 days before I was in a motorcycle accident and had a fractured pelvis bone. I watched a lot of TV in those days and Sea Hunt was always a favorite of mine. I became a Certified Scuba Diver at the age of 17 years old. My Instructors from the Korean War UDT guys. Being born in Santa Monica Hospital and learning how to swim in Santa Monica Bay - saltwater was my real home.
A lot of the problem with the .270 win today is that it was standardized with slow twist rates and a looser chamber than modern cartridges. I doubt Winchester would ever support it enough today to take it back to SAAMI.
@@slaydeday5677I believe that a “looser chamber” only matters if you don’t handload - which is a legitimate concern for many people. If you do handload, .270 Winchester is a mighty fine cartridge to work with… especially with newer bullets being made in .277 caliber.
@@chipsterb4946 I have one and love it. And I’ve loaded a little for it on a friend’s equipment. But I’ve never been able to get the same accuracy out of it as more modern calibers.
With my 7prc (22” barrel) federal 170gr term ascent 2981fps bc 0.646 @5000ft @50 deg temp @ 500yds 2256ftlbs and 2390fps. If elk are on the menu, I’m taking 7prc. 270 for deer and smaller for me. Just a little more thump with 7PRC.
🕵️♂️ Isn't It Funny How I Just Watch a Video of "El Chupagoats" Using a 180 Grain Hoeneday ELD-M Bullet (Target Bullet) Only Getting 2,756 ft/a With 66.2 grains of Retumbo (A Good Magnum Powder)? .🤭
🤔 Isn't It Also Interesting That Austin Just Did a Video Showing The 120 Year Old 30-06 Getting Well Over 2,800 ft/s With a 190 grain Nosler ABLR Bonded "Hunting Bullet"? 😯
🕵️♂️ And, Isn't it Also Interesting That The "Quick Loads" Program Shows The 100 Year Old 270 Winchester Shooting a 180 Grain Woodleigh Weldcore Bonded "Hunting Bullet" Can Get 2,820 ft/s, Also Using Far Less Powder and Having Far Less Recoill Than The 7mm prc? 😯
Growing up deer hunting in Florida and Georgia, dad always had me shooting 243 and 260. My high school graduation present was a 270. No way in hell I’ll ever get rid of that cartridge/gun or stop using it
Your numbers are not true. My 22” proof barrell on a tikka action chambered in 7mmprc is pushing a 190 a tip at 2925fps. 69.5gr h1000. 270 win doesnt even compare.
😬 And This is The Real Problem - People Trying to "Bench Race", Just To Say They Can Achieve a Velocity 100 ft/as Faster Than The Guy With Factory Ammunition in a "Little Cartridge"! They Always Go Past the RECOMENDED SAFE Powder Charges and It Usually Doesn't Help Accuracy Any! 😱 Well, My 30 Caliber "Thor's Hammer" Can Push a 200 Grain "Hunting Bullet" (Not "Target Bullet", Like Those Heavier 7mm Bullets Only Have) to 3,700 ft/s (😱) - So, Sorry, Not Impressed! 🤭
😂 Why Are You 7mm prc Fans So Concerned About Getting Another 50 ft/s to 100 ft/s - Buy Pushing A "Little Cartridge" Like the 7mm prc - Over RECOMENDED BOOK POWDER CHARGES? 😱That is Hardly Something to Brag About! 🤭
Fascinating insight into the "new vs old" cartridge debate. I think personally I will stick with my Weatherby Vanguard in .270 and continue to learn what it can do with handloads, but still interesting to see how it compares to the new kids on the block. Good work as always!
Own both. Love both. What you left out is that the new fast twist high BC rifles is why the 270 has moved or being push harder. And new info and data is being used.
Come on man, with some of the new reloading data starting to come out the 7mm PRC is starting to show some good numbers! I have 3 270 winchesters, including the new weatherby vanguard outfitter , for deer I like the 270, for Elk I’m taking the 7mm PRC give me a 195 grain Berger Eol heavy bullets over 150 grain 270 all day
What new data is out there? You have Hornady and Hodgdon and a page from Nosler. Am I missing any other? Why would I be using a 150 gr when I can shoot a 170 gr? I never said the 270 Winchester flat out beats the 7mm PRC. The 270 Win comes remarkably close. Let's just use the 195 gr EOL in 7mm PRC... 195 gr at 2800 FPS gives you 26 MOA at 1000 yards and 4.97 MOA in wind drift. 270 Winchester is still within 1 MOA in both wind and drop. 7mm PRC does have 280 more ft.lbs of energy. However at 1000 yards neither cartridge is going fast enough to expand.
270 can do it all no doubts whatsoever. But in my experience so far i love the 7prc. In my opinion it just comes down to do you want an older cartridge that is absolutely capable and dont need anything else or are you someone that just loves trying the new innovations. The only true edge that i will give the 7prc hands down is i have 3 270 rifles and 2 7prc’s. And with me behind the rifle i tend to consistently get better groups out if my 7prcs. Maybe its just the rifles or maybe its confidence hard to tell.
0 seconds ago My father swore by his 270.. He loved Jack O Conner... Also love his 7 mm 08. Browning .Micro Medallion. While hunting in Utah he dropped his Browning and then wasn't sure of zero... His buddy said shoot my 35 Whelan it's zeroed... One shot one kill Now he comes home and says, " Boy I really like that 35 Whelan , One shot and the Elk didn't even take a step " lol One thing he understood was that the MOST important thing was shot placement... Shoot what you shoot well
150-200 rounds. Federal is using RL-26, which I did say will get you 3000 FPS. Let's just put in the calculations for 3000 FPS with the 175 ELD-X. At 1000 yards it has a 200 ft.lb advantage over the 270 Winchester and 3 MOA in drop. Wind drift has a .75 MOA advantage. Again.. 270 Winchester is holding it's own.
If you really want to make a 270 come alive, run 150 grain badlands 150 grain super bulldozer 2 in it. It takes an 8 twist barrel and mine is just shy of 3100 fps. It still blows my mind.
That's with a 22 inch barrel with a 270 win, which is crazy, put the browning 26 inch barrel in the game and the difference is only 14 ft lbs of energy at 1000 yards.
@@texpatriot8462 to me the .270 is a great hunting cartridge. The PRCs were designed for 600+ yard target shooting. That’s a neat idea but irrelevant to me. 6.5 PRC goes in a short action … at least in theory while .270 needs a standard (or “long”) action. Looking at Hornady data the 6.5 PRC outperforms .270 with a 130 grain bullet in terms of velocity and the bullets have a higher BC. However, Barnes’ load data shows better velocities out of the .270 for 130 grain bullets. While I don’t have definitive data at my fingertips, I think the .270 has a bit more recoil. I do find it pretty funny that .270 Winchester outperforms 6.5 Creedmoor by virtually every measure except recoil.
@@chipsterb4946 I have a 270 Winchester and the recoil is not different vs 6.5PRC. I am selling the PRC and keeping the 270. With 270, ammo choices are fantastic and reloading components are plentiful. IMO - the only reason to get any PRC is long range target work.
I realize Federal ammo may have different numbers but since Hornady is "temporarily" running slower, is it really worth spending the $ on a 7PRC or just keep my .270 and call it good?
If you have a good shooting 270 and are shooting under 500yrds, the 7 PRC isn't going to do much or you. Now you're just wanting something new, then for sure go for the 7 Prc.
I have looked at the 6.8 Western the 7PRC to see what it can really do over the .270 Win. Currently the Hornady Precision Hunter 145gr ELDX shoots the best out of my rifle. 1/2 -3/4 and that's factory ammo. With the numbers lately with Hornady, I can't get an accurate comparison. I understand it may have more energy but if it is going slower, the other numbers won't be the same. Then to me the .270 isn't that much different. Educate me... what am I not getting?
@@scottbeto2371 You need to watch where you're getting your information from about the Prc. Haters are all over this cartridge for some reason. Current Hornady ammo is crap but the Federal 175s are getting 3k if not pretty close to it. There's plenty of videos about it. If you reload, then getting the velocities is easy. Again, plenty of resources out there for that as well. Hell, Backfire sent a 175 down range at 3118 I think it was. It was way over pressure but still. The PRC is geared for sending the 175-190ish range of projectiles out 5-800yrds effectively. If this isn't what you're trying to do and already have a sub-moa 270.... It's probably not worth spending the money. Full disclosure here...my 7 PRC is supposed to be delivered tomorrow. I spent more money than I care to admit having LRI rebarrel a Howa 1500 to 7Prc. I am what some would call a fanboy.
People need to understand that the old "FUD" cartridges have gained more in the past 20 years than any modern cartridge out there. With the new powders being developed and bullets we are seeing huge changes in the old reliable cartridges. Let's look at 30-06 for example. The original 150gr load got a velocity of only 2700 back in 1906. Today 3000+ is pretty easy to do. And this trend can be seen in all our "FUD" cartridges. 7mm08 can push a 162eldx over 2800 out performing every creedmoor 22. 6mm. And 6.5 loading. And like reloading weatherby stated 270 win pushes a 170 at 2850 out of a 22in barrel meaning 2900 out of a 24 is possible. I will admit the new cartridges have advantages but they are not the wide differences manufacturers would like you to believe.
@phild9813 actually the number I gave are from today's factory offerings. Hornady superformance. Many other manufacturers offer the same in the older cartridges. Winchester loads 190gr ablrs for 30-06 at 2800fps, Hornady loads 145gr eldx 270 at 2970fps. If you want the best performance out of any cartridge you have to handload for it regardless of how old or new it is.
🕵️♂️ No One Seems to Be Even Getting Close to The Published Data in ANY of Their Powders For Handloads or the Factory Ammunition Velocities Listed on the Box! I Have Probably Watched Every U-Tube Video on the 7mm prc and That is The Constant Findings! ☹
🙄 Horneday's "Excuse" Was Offered on Ron Spomers Channel - That They Can't Get Reloader 26! 🤥 So, What Happens When You Put Reloader 26 in Say a 7mm Weatherby Magnum (An 80 Year Old Cartridge)? You'll Get 100 ft/s Faster Than Horneday's Best Published Velocities for the 7mm prc! 😂
Yup same with my PRC... I even still have a few of the old boxes of factory Hornady that pushes past 3000 before their powder crunch. Seeing pressure issues at max recommended loads sounds like homie needs a better chamber/ barrel or need to check out his reloading .
To my friends and co-workers im an oddity but i honestly dont hate on any cartridge. Im just a fan of guns and ballistics and seems to me theres just a multitude of ways to accomplish the same goals. I have, however, narrowed down to whitetail hunting with a 270 win for the last several years. My possible shots are 330yds and in and ive settled on a DBL Tap 160gr Nosler Partition load and thats with factory twist and my Wby Van loves them, whitetail hate them. Im not a fanboy of the 270win but im definitely a fan. 90gr-110gr decimates varmits and 120gr-160gr for medium to large game. Ammo is available everywhere and for standard prices, pretty much all makers chamber models in it, its just a good choice. If i were to shoot long range, while id almost surely choose one of several other options that are taylor made for such shooting, theres no doubt the duece-sempty would handle that task just fine with appropriate bullets and even better with a tighter twist bbl. As your video lays out, itll still hold its own.
Ha! I rather enjoy being the hated and loved man on the mountain. Been hunting with 6.5 CM, deer and elk with 127 gr Barnes monolithic. Out to 400 yards I’ve had zero issues(no they don’t run a mile and don’t need 12 shots). Low recoil, light handy rifle and in actual real world hunting experience. Freezer has stayed full, no need for anything else. I put away the bigger cartridges 6 years ago and I’m never going back. Thanks for the vids, enjoy the content, God Bless.
You’re using max 270 velocity along with the highest BC bullet. You acknowledged it, with a 7mm 180 gr ELD M the BC is WAY higher than the 175 gr. Plus you are using velocities on the low end on the PRC. I get the point you are trying to make, but you could make this case on many different cartridges. If you used max velocity and max BC projectile versus average velocity and average BC projectile. Thanks for the video I enjoy your content.
🕵️♂️ Actually, He Isn't! Put a 24" Barrel or Even 26" Barrel on It (Like the 7mm Remington Magnum Typically Uses), Add in Some Reloader 26 Powder (Horneday's Excuse For Not Getting 3,000 ft/s) and Their is Your 3,000 ft/s - With the 270 Winchester and That Heavier Bullet, Using Alot Less Powder and Having Alot Less Recoil! 😱
Mate, hodgdons manual uses all 24" barrels.. u want to explain how less powder with more bore friction equals the same velocity lol All manuals show thr pc doing 3000fps with a 24" barrel and the 270w doing 2800fps with a 24" barrel. With pressure data. Powder manufactur hodgdon. Not hornady.
🕵️♂️ Are The Rifes Generating 65,000 psi of Chamber Pressure - Which is What Causes The Bullet To Reach It's Maxium "Safe" Velocity Potential? Apparently Not - With The "Recommended Powder Charges"! What That Means Is That They Won't Get The Advertised Velocities! Mabey I Can Give You A List of Some Reputable U-Tube Channels to Watch That Are Getting Well Below Advertised Velocities and You Can See For Yourself? 🧐
🕵️♂️ Let's Start With SOAonline! They Are a Ammunition Manfacturing Company! Horneday's Factory Ammunition Velocity Measured 2,867 ft/s! Their's Measured at 2,942 ft/s! See What They Say About the 7mm prc?😱
🕵️♂️ Next, Let's Go To "Apex, Living With Predators Website"! He Tested Multiple 7mm prc's! With 70 grains of Retumbo (Case Maximums) and Pressure Signs - He Was Getting 2,782 ft/s! How Is This an "Effecient Cartridge", When My 270 Winchester Can Exceed That Velocity With 15 Grains Less Powder and a Heavier 180 Grain Woodleigh Welcore Hunting Bullet or the 30-06 with a 190 grain Nosler ABLR and Get Over 2,800 ft/s (As Shown By Austin - Reloading Weatherby - Here)? 🤭 I Know What I Would Rather Hunt With and It Isn't the 7mm prc! 😜
The most important factor... all these new BIGGER & BETTER cartridges ... Typically require a LOT MORE POWDER, FOR A VERY MARGINAL GAIN. While the 7PRC tends to be more efficient than the 7RM, in both cases, they use 5-10g more powder, for a 3-5% gain in velocity/energy. That's a notable increase in recoil, for a negligible gain in performance. The .270 Win (and even the 30-06) is hanging right in there using 53-56g powder, vs the 7 Magnums... requiring 65-70g. This is why the 6.5PRC and 6.8W, using 150g-170g bullets are my favs. They come very close to the 7mm mag family of performance, with 55-65g of powder. Competitive performance with lower recoil.
I have a ton of both 270s and 7PRCs. I've had one cartridge really really impress me with what I've been able to do with it and it's new to me as is the 7PRC, and that's the 280AI. Sure wish I had listened to a few rifle builders 20 or so years ago and at least built ONE. Couldn't help myself, stuck with 270 Win build after build or 30-06 or 308. Although I really like a big variety and have a ton of fun with all of them, at this moment if were to start selling off a bunch of my rifles and kept only a few, here's the list, again, at this moment: 6.5-284 Norma 280AI 300WSM 270 Win That list would likely change by the time I go to bed. 🙃
Just more or less comes down to if you reload or not to which is better for you. An its always divide on new cartidges. Just like the 22 Creedmoor that 22-250 fans hate. We all have the love for the same things an appreciate the content you bring as always no matter whether we like the result or not you spent your time an money on it an we didnt.
Geezer here. I think your assessment is valid. Maybe I am a .270 wcf zealot, it is my primary hunting round. I first used my ( handed down ) Husqvarna in 1970. I have been through a variety of other chamberings but nothing really impressed me. I am a sheep hunter first, and always have a bull Elk tag in my pocket The secret to my success...use a good bullet a controlled expansion type. In the old days the Nosler Partition, now we have a much , much wider selection of bullets. Worked as guide for local outfitter's in my youth and beyond. In those days we would go 85% success rate on Bull Elk. Kinetic Energy doesn't matter, a destructive wound channel matters, imo. I have seen close range wounding so this Geezer will not shoot at longer ranges. Fast twist options really don't factor in for this type of mountain hunting My 2 cents
Point to the 7prc and tell me were it touched you. On paper you make a interesting arguement. Have you ever shot past 100yds? 500 yds? 1000yds? Love the troll vid. A little trolling back atchya.... bro. Have a good one.
Oh man I missed this comment. Thanks for watching! Yep I've never shot past 100 yards in my life... ruclips.net/user/shortsDRkdxvsxe9U?si=d1WxKrh_jlridUDI
Great video as always. The 270 win great cartridge i own the prc and i reload also. If i was to buy a brand new rifle it would be the old fashioned 7 rem mag and if u want the high bc just simply buy one with the right twist rate cause they do make them in factory offerings
I will stick with 7prc as I like having bigger bullet. Also I have N560 powder 😂😂 not only that. But the bullet used for the 270 I would never use on game. I want a bonded bullet or solid copper. Seen to many Berger just completely come apart. But if it’s just hitting steel or paper then Berger is the king for that.
😏 That's Interesting "Reloading Quest", Because The 270 Winchester Has Bonded Bullets (Woodleigh Weldcore) That Goes Up to 180 grains (And I Know of 1 Company That Factory Loads Them Too), But the 7mm Caliber Only Goes to 175 grains With Bonded Bullets! 😳 Problem Solved - Stick With the 270 Winchester! 😜
🕵️♂️ And, The Quick Loads Program Shows That You Can Push That 180 Grain Bullet to 2,820 ft/s Out of The 270 Winchester - Which is 120 ft/s Faster Than the Same Weight Bullet Comes Out of the 30-06 With Factory Loads and The 30-06 Has Lower B.C. Bullets (Typically) in That Same Bullet Weight! 😁 PROBLEM SOLVED! 👨⚖
@@ronlowney4700 Hahha oh you 270 guys. I will stick with a bigger bullet and you are comparing hand loads to factory? How’s that fair? The 190gt abl or s 180 sould copper out off a 06. And there are solid copper bullet you can push out the 7prc as well. Not only that, if you run a heavy bullet in a 270 you will need to fast twist the barrel and I know for sure they won’t stabilize where I live. But use what you like to use. And I will use that I want to use. Really I will talke a 280ai of the 270 and 7prc.
@@ronlowney4700 also I have shot a 185gr bullet over 2950 out of a 30-06 using n555 just so you know. Ones you put handloads into the picture everything changes
🕵️♂️ You Will Notice (At Time 2:11 of This Video) 🕵️♂️ That Brownings Fast Twist 270 Rifles HOLD 6 ROUNDS - While the 7mm prc Rifles Typically Hold Only 3 Rounds! That Means You Better Make Every Shot Count - From Fleeing Elk to Charging Grizzly Bears - or "Bad Things" Will Happen to You! 😱
I made a fast twist 1-8 270 win 26" . RL 26 handload 2,920 fps. 3,209 ft lbs at muzzel , 2,000 ft lbs out to 460 yds, at ssea level. You can ge even better performance out of a Badlands precision150 gr Bulldozer 2, at seaa level transonic out to 1,660 yds. There is reaaly no need for another rifle. It does it all.
Truth is there's not a huge difference in these two. The 7PRC is definitely the more potent of the two but it's not like there's anything you can do with it that you couldn't also do with the 270. Bullet diameter is extremely similar and so is the game each is suitable for. So pick which one you like best and take your game in style - they're both winners.
I guess if you compare worst case scenario prc vs best case scenario 270 they start to perform similar… I appreciate using real world measured data but your PRC data seems to be lower than most and giving lots of favors to the 270
Possibly... but as I said I think you're only going to get 3000 FPS with a max load of RL-26 or... if you stand on it with other powders going over max. The 270 data I provided according to GRT is only at 64.5k psi and I was using a 22 inch barrel for those velocities. The 7mm PRC has a 24 inch barrel.
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh yeah I’ve pushed a 175 from a 22 inch PRC from my old man’s rifle. Using ADG brass and over book max of H1000. I’m sure it’s over pressure but no signs of it. Also he’s growing his man bun after buying the PRC 😂
🕵️♂️ So, What Were the Test Results of Horneday's Own Ammunition? 1.) 6.5 Creedmore 129 grain bullet - Advertised Velocity 2,950 ft/s and Achieved Velocity 2,762 ft/s 2.) 6.5 prc 143 grain bullet - Advertised Velocity 2,950 ft/s and Achieved Velocity 2,932 ft/s 3.) 270 Winchester 130 grain bullet - Advertised Velocity 3,200 ft/s and Achieved Velocity 3,228 ft/s! Give Me the 270 Winchester! 😜
Your comparison is not correct. If your going to compare make it fsir. Highest published load data i could find for 270w 170g was 2805fps. You got 2850fps. Thats fine. But hornady book max for 7mm prc eldx is 3000.... with 3 powders and you got it at 2875fps? I dont have a dog in his race, my rifles are 30cals, but if your going to present info for a comparison, instead of just pleasing the 270w fan boys, make it reliable. I see the same with 30 cals in videos going over 3006 max data "because its book max is 60kpsi" with bottom end 300win loads to show little difference. Science says 7mm prc has significant advantage due to significant powder advantage + more efficient (bore ratio). 82g v 67g. H20. Plus heavy projectiles dnt kill case capacity. Dofference is significant when looking at real numbers of 270 at 2800fps and 7mm prc at 3000fps. The 185g in prc nosler manual has 2880fps.
My comparison was with real world numbers... not hypothetical marketing numbers to help sell a cartridge. Remember I'm only using a 22 inch barrel on the 270... I have a 24 inch barrel on my 7mm PRC.
@ReloadingWeatherby so the 270 would have a even slower speed with a 22"... Mate hodgdon lists 7mm prc Ramshot 80g, 3083fps, 62,400psi Powder manufacturer wants to sell 7mm prcs, your kidding right? Il believe tried and PRESSURE tested data thr powder manufacturer releases over your figures.
One thing I have yet to hear about or see is anyone testing Reloder 25 in the 7PRC. I see such close numbers with it and Re26 in some data books on various cartridges. I have a few pounds on hand but I'm saving it for the 270-7PRC
😂😂😂 so what your saying is 7Prc can only get 3000 with one powder and when it does it shows pressure signs? Lol so we just ignore all the factory ammo that was pushing 3000FPS before Hornady changed the powder they were using? I have shot ruffly 150 rounds of the old factory 180 eld-m and achieved box rating. We just gonna act like that never happened? Ok well 270 is a great round up too about 150 anything bigger and you push into the powder cone.... PRC can do with a 190grain that the 270 does with a 150. Does 40 grains matter? Who knows at somepoint it does otherwise kats would choose something smaller than a 270 😂😂 great video.
😯 Would You Care To Take a Guess Which of These Cartridges Shot the Flattest (Out to 500 Yards, My Limit For Deer and Antelope), Using This Independent Data? 😉 Well, It Wasn't the Horneday Designed Cartridges! 🤭
The 7 prc isn't manbun territory, 6.5 creedmoor is. It was creedmoor vs the world That being said, now it's.270 vs 6.5 prc. The funniest thing about the 270 fan boys is, they don't realize that "6.5" is actually 6.7mm. 264 is 6.7mm not 6.5mm. 6.5mm is measured on the grooves. So the argument I have seen for 25 years(I was a 6.5x55 guy before 6.5 prc) is .264 is too small but .277 is just fine. And the whopping difference is...1/10th of one milimeter.
@@ReloadingWeatherby i like watching the real gunsmith on RUclips alot of people says he is behind the times but he knows what is proven performers and just don’t go along with the latest greatest because he knows they really aint better than what we have had for years. He is no nonsense
🤔 So, 20% More Recoil (A Whole Lot More Recoil) For the 7mm prc - For Just 0.7" Less Drop, 43 More ft/s of Bullet Velocity, and 137 More Ft Lbs of Energy At 400 Yards? ☹ That Is No Practical Difference To Killing Anything "Better"! 😳
People always talking about a 270 Winchester is not a big game cartridge then they continue to go on and on because they’re caught up in this BS ballistic coefficient and twist rate just for the record the 270 Winchester was not designed to shoot heavier bullets 130 is the sweet spot although it can stabilize with a regular 1 and 10 twist up to probably 180gr if they made it but that’s besides the point ballistic coefficient does not even come into existence until your way out there pass 500+ yards in which no one should be ethically shooting at our majestic wildlife pass that ‘ yeah yeah yeah I know your buddy or Or someone you know or maybe even yourself has killed animals well pass that Point that I’m making is 270 is a superb killer on Whitetail Caribou black bear elk moose and other big game animals in that size spectrum and some even larger with the right bullet 130gr up to 150gr at 3000fps or 3100fps will not bounce off of anything and will do an amazing job with the right bullet and shot placement as with any other big game rifle come on guys 270win is no slouch and is a much alive today as it was in past years don’t get caught up in this ballistic coefficient hype and this PRC bs 270win shoots fast flat and hits extremely hard can’t go wrong and by the way reload 26 takes that 270 into a whole New world
How dare you ! The prc cartridges are so good that they are out of this world…. Some say it’s alien technology! That’s how good they are ….thats how good they are …. 😂
@ReloadingWeatherby other people are getting over 3K including myself with the 7prc. And my 270 doesn't like bullets over 140 grains. So if I was doing this exact same video I'd have very different results.
🕵️♂️ After Watch John McAdams Video (Are Ammunition Companies Lying About Their Muzzle Velocities) and Mason Leathers Video (2,950 ft/s My A@@SS) - It Appears That The Cartridges Having The Most Trouble Achieving Horneday's Advertised Muzzle Velocities Are Horneday's Own Cartridges! 🤪
@ReloadingWeatherby it's ok to offend people by saying something old is better than something new. 🤷 For example. I think the best thing about the 300 weatherby is taking 300 weatherby brass and resizing it to 8mm Remington magnum. 🤷
Man bun 7PRC? 190’s at 2955 is not a slouch. That’s with N568. What’s the 270 capable of with a 150-170? Or anything remotely similar to a .751G1 BC For the ones that think these are remotely similar in capability, I recommend starting over at “A”
Just for Kicks & Giggles let’s do a three way comparison with *Factory ammo *Factory rifles (no custom twist rates) Then comparisons with *Reloaded ammo *Custom rifles The calibres .270W 7mm PRC & that other .277 caliber that Browning & Winchester make rifles & ammo in ???? 🇦🇺
😏 So, 1.35" Difference of Drop an 0.7" Difference in Wind Drift Between the Two Cartridges at 500 yards? No Problem/Big Deal - I'll Just Have to Aim 1" Inch Higher With My 270 Winchester Then! 😂 Problem Solved! 👨⚖
👨🎓 Smart Hunters Realize That You Keep Your Shots To Ethical Ranges (400 Yards or Less For Most People) and If You Want More "Killing Power", You Step Up To A Larger Bullet Diameter - Without Stepping Up To a Larger Case! So, You Just Go From a 270 Winchester to a 30-06 to a 338-06 to a 35 Whelen! PROBLEM SOLVED! 👨⚖
This comment is less about the video and more about the heavily opinionated people in the gun community if you use only logic without any personal bias or anything everyone knows deep down the best cartridge is the one you have shot the most that you get the best groups with that you feel the most confident with if you are new to hunting find some thing with over 3000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle and you’re good for the lower 48. With that being said once you truly find a cartridge that you’re passionate about that’s when the real love of firearms will begin I started my journey with a 22 then a 556 and to start hunting I chose 65 Grendel. If I would have known what I know now I probably would’ve went with a 3030 lever gun but the good thing is the 65 Grendel does just fine. Depending on your personality you might wanna go with an old historic gun or something brand new thankfully in America we all get the choice some areas you have to hunt with a straight wall cartridge so your selection will be different but there are a massive massive amount of Really amazing cartridges out there and thankfully there’s plenty of cheap options for rifles that shoot sub minute of angle once you find the right ammo feel good with your choice if not there’s always a new rifle and who doesn’t love that
@@ReloadingWeatherby I agree 100% truth be told if I knew about the sevenPRC powder gate I would’ve went with a 300 WSM because that was my ideal cartridge in my head but I got sucked into the hype. And after watching so many of your videos I can’t wait to own a Weatherby cartridge I think people should just get a rifle try it out for themselves and see what they like I love the videos you make
@@Accuracy1st Damn congrats my man I’m jealous I really wish I would have chose it but in my area I can’t find ammo and online it was almost $100 a box at the time very nice my man what rifle did you get with it
@@Chris-liwymi unfortunately youtube deletes my comments if I post where to buy 300wsm ammo for about $50/box of Norma tipstrike and Normal bondstrike but the guy has plenty of both and is in Texas. I have a 300WSM modified reamer made by JGS. I had the body opened up 0.02 and freebore lengthened so a 210 Berger is seated long just like the PRC designs. Thus, you have to have a medium to long action. My first is a Tikka stainless T3x Lite and my builder used my reamer to modify that factory barrel chamber. My second is a 24" K&P cut-rifled 8 twist #3 barrel I use with my Terminus Zeus quick barrel change long action. It's still in handload development process but right now it's insanely precise. I just got my Brux 4 groove #3 10 twist barrel and it will be cut for this action as well. I have more 30 cal barrels but bought into the hype (CRAP) on all this mystical and magical fast twist is NECESSARY and they are all 8 twist. AFTER I did more homework I realized I've done nothing but sacrifice potential velocity since that is what happens when you use faster twist barrels when NOT NECESSARY. Thus, I've ordered more 10 and 11 twist barrels for 300WSM. I do not plan to shoot any bullet heavier than 215. My gun builder used a 13 twist for his 300WSM using a 190 bullet. Now there's no shortage of (and I say this nicely), knuckleheads preaching that you need at least a 1-8 twist for something like a 300WSM. Really? It's gotten out of hand. i went with an 8 twist to start, which I'm very pleased, with my newest project, the 270-7PRC but even Berger says their 170 EOL only needs a 9 twist so I have a few on order
Fanboys of any caliber are annoying. Ever talk to dudes that swear 5.56 is all you need for everything? Deer, bear, Elk and man! Usually a bunch of tacticool Army Ranger reject types that don't understand why the military picked the round and will drop the round as soon as they can get their hands on the new one the army has picked.
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh bro I bet. I spent 4 hours stuck in a conversation with a guy that claimed his $16,000 AR setup (thing looked like it weighed 100lbs it had so much bullshit attached to the rails) was “sighted in at 1000 yards” however that’s supposed to work. And he has personally seen guys “hit with 5.56 at 900 yards blown apart” Pretty sure my IQ dropped 50 points in the first 10 minutes of him speaking. Also he had dozens of photos of him in all kinds of operator gear. Dude works for a prison or something. Never served. Idk why but I swear every single one of these dudes is copy pasted.
😂 I Think The Real Question Here is Who Were The "Most Annoying Horneday Fanboys" - the 7mm prc Fans or the 6.5 Creedmore Fans? 🥴 Or, Are They Really The Same Group of People? 😱
@@ReloadingWeatherby Welp...You know the Federal ammo is doing what it's doing but start the video off saying that you can't get factory ammo that does that and use 150fps less than that for the comparison. You're comparing 270 reloads to the crappiest factory Prc that's currently available. You're fully aware of what people are getting out Prc reloads, you've read all the same stuff I have. You're comparing the top end of the 270 to where the Prc is just getting started. Idk...the whole video felt like a bit of a stretch of reality. The 270 is a damn fine cartridge. Half decent long range cartridge even in its SAAMI form. But it's no Prc. It's really not even close, not at distance anyways.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I guess it just goes back to the same conversation we always have. If you modify the legacy rifles/cartridges, they can be equal to or better than modern cartridges you can buy off the shelf but in their SAAMI form they're just not.
@@dankcincy Here is what I have found with loading 2 different 7mm PRC rifles with 24 inch barrels. You can only get 3000 FPS(175gr) with RL-26. Hornady wanted to prove just how superior their new cartridge was over the 7 Rem Mag and 6.8 Western so they used the fastest powder possible. Hornady made a gamble and now it's biting them in the butt. Federal who is owned by the same company that owns Alliant powders has taken advantage and is using RL-26. All other powders I've tried... Retumbo, H1000, RL-22, H4831SC and Staball HD don't come close to 3000 FPS. The only way to do that is to just stand on it with reloads. So yes reloaders are getting close to or 3000 FPS by being 3 gr over max. And sure you can do that, just expect short brass life. I did this with my 300 WBY for a time. If I really wanted to I could push a 175 gr bullet over 3400 FPS. I hit 3394 FPS while being 1.5 gr under max. But it was a bit over pressure. As for the 270 Winchester it is right at the top. I put the data in GRT and it's almost hitting 65k psi with that 170 gr EOL load at 2850 FPS. Couple of weeks ago I put out a short of a 7mm PRC Fierce rifle with the 195 gr EOL going 2850 FPS. The owner of the rifle is using Retumbo and is 2 gr over max. And it shows on his brass and when we tried 3 gr over max we were blowing primers. The truth is 7mm PRC reloaders are only getting the coveted velocities that Hornady promised by going way over pressure.
😏 Your Comming Around to My Way of Thinking Austin, So I Want to Appeal to Your Intelect With a Different Example - in Order to Make My Subsequent Point(s)! I Think We Can Both Agree That the 300 WM and 7mm RM are the 2 Most Popular Magnum Rifle Cartridges in the U.S., Even Though They Didn't Come Out Before The Weatherby Cartridges? 🤔 However, the 300 WBY Will Outperform the 300 WM (and 300 prc Too) and the 7mm WBY Will Outperform the 7mm RM (and the 7mm prc Too)! So, Why Aren't The Weatherby Cartridges More Popular?: 1.) More Recoil 2.) Less Ammunition Availability and Higher Ammunition Costs 3.) Less Rifle Options! There is a Receipt For Success and Yet Most Cartridge Developers Haven't Figured It Out Yet! 🤯 Now, Let's Look At Your Example Here and Apply Similar Logic (🕵️♂️):
Gentlemen, Jack O’Connor, settled this back in the early 60s, when the 7 mm Remington Magnum was first introduced. To sum it up, O’Connor’s observation was the 7 Rem Mag didn’t do a whole lot more than the 270 Winchester.
History repeats itself.
Thank you for the wonderful review.
My father swore by his 270.. He loved Jack O Conner... Also love his 7 mm 08. Browning .Micro Medallion. While hunting in Utah he dropped his Browning and then wasn't sure of zero... His buddy said shoot my 35 Whelan it's zeroed... One shot one kill Now he comes home and says, " Boy I really like that 35 Whelan , One shot and the Elk didn't even take a step " lol One thing he understood was that the MOST important thing was shot placement... Shoot what you shoot well
@@Timberdam I’m a huge 270 fan, especially using the 150 grain Partition or a 129 grain LRX. But on elk I prefer the 338 Win Mag, for a little extra insurance. Inside of 300 yards, the 35 Whelen and the 9.3x62 (its ballistic twin), are just as good. There’s also less recoil to deal with.
You got to love a round, that's almost 100 years old and hanging right in there with the new kids on the block 🤠
My first rifle was a 270 and it is still the gun I like to shoot the most. My original 270 was a Ruger M-77 over 40 years ago. I have since bought two other 270’s and I have taken mule deer, antelope, elk and even moose with this cartridge. I have never lost an animal and I would say that was because I always tried to get close and only taken ethical shots at under 400 yards. It has been a great cartridge. I would love to try the 165 Accubond and see how it performs. I do have an X-bolt with a 26 inch barrel that is grouping about 3/4” at 100 yards. This was a very enlightening video and you always bring a wealth of knowledge to the table. Thanks for sharing.
Same here! But 39 years for me. Right hand Ruger M77 270. Not long after I was looking through a hunting magazine and saw Ruger came out with the Mark II M77 and pictured was a left hand and right hand back to back. Called my local store and they just unboxed 2 in left hand chambered in 270. Took my right hand M77 down that I owned for a very short time, traded it in, gave them $20 difference and another $20 to remount my Nikon scope. Some years later first mod was a 3 pound trigger job and a KDF brake. Then around 2003 or 2004 I put a Hart barrel on it, copied the factory contour (a #1 contour) at 25.5 inches. Killed a pile of hogs, mule deer, a pronghorn, and too many to count whitetails. Just sold that rifle May last year. Also sold my full custom 270 last year. Now I own 6 Tikkas in 270 and one other I had built on a Rem 700 action. I'm planning on building a few 280AI with some of those 270s.
Question, why have so many chambered in the same calibre, thanks, cheers people ✌️🤙
@@rosalindstewart7013 If you are asking me it's for several reasons. 1. Rifle on sale, 2. I like to test them and keep those that excel in accuracy with multiple loads. If not, I put a better faster barrel on them and potentially change it to something I don't have or have limited experience, like convert to 280AI, 25-06, 6.5-06, 338-06, 6.5-284 Norma, etc. 3. I have a sick addiction to customizing rifles to varying degrees striving for that quarter minute rifle with lots of bullet choices. Those that make the grade I keep. Those that don't but are close I let people borrow if they need something when they hunt with me or sell them.
@@Accuracy1st fair enough mate and all very good points cheers Yogi ✌️🤙
I didn’t read your user name before I asked but now I have I wouldn’t have asked, love that 270PRC custom you put together mate, all the best bro
No contest. 270 all day long. A light solid 130 for deer, antelope and hogs, 140 for mule deer and big whitetail and 150 Noslers and Swift bullets for elk, bear, moose and light African plains game; best part is no Hornady Cartel to limit your ammo type, variety or price. No comaprison on real field use for game, if just targets, thats another story and there are already many more much better target cartridges out there. Fun topic and I enjoy you channel.
Thanks for commenting
I believe you develop a legit 140 and run it for everything. Or a copper 130 for the same and be done
For deer sized game... totally agree. A well tuned 140g is the sweet spot.
In the west, for elk and longer shots, I see some real advantages to the 165/170 bullets at 2850 +/-.
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Just don’t shoot at game at long range
@@user-eg8hb8xt3jsometimes those are the only opportunity’s.
😀 To Paraphrase Ron Spomer: 9 Out of 10 Elk Shot Correctly Couldn't Tell The Difference! 😂
i'd say 10 out of 10
😂 I Agree! 👍
Love how a cartridge that was made in the 20s is still doing work and holding it's own to these new cartridges. Good video and interesting data.
Thanks
Who says 270 win is not a big game cartridge ? I have never had the problem with it at all ..
270 fans make some noooooooise!! Sorry that we are annoying, RW. We just love our classic round!
I love both of these cartridges. The 270 win was my first deer rifle and I still love it. I think the 7mm PRC is in a whole other class though.
Thanks for watching.
@@ReloadingWeatherby this was a very interesting comparison. I was surprised to see the .270 stack up so well against a magnum cartridge.
@@slaydeday5677it was hand picked data. None the less .270 winchester is a great classic Cartridge.
@@TheCodyOI’m glad someone said what I was thinking. Hand picked data. Slowed the 7PRC down, and picked the .270 WAY UP! Compare apples to apples, and it wouldn’t be close. He said this was with “real world velocities, and hand loads” yet 2875 is not hand load velocity with a 175 eldx.
@@matthewkramer6543he literally said it was hand load data
Have a pre 64 Winchester 270 that I took my first deer with. Being 74 years old all of my neighbors were WW 2 Veterans. My Dad got the Springfield in the 30-06 cartridge and after changing the stock he hand checkered and cut the barrel off a couple of inches. He had a Weaver scope on it which 8:56 I changed to the Leopoldo 3-7 Power . Back in those days loaning a gun to a friend was no big deal. He also let one of his buddies to loan me the Ithaca Md 37 in 16 ga . Inherited a 16 ga Double Barrel Shotgun from my Grandfather. Along with a split bamboo fly rod with his Medlist reel and use to tie my own flies. While fishing on the Kern River I caught a 2 lb Rainbow trout but I don’t have a net , an Older Gentleman watch me and started crying when I asked him why he told me it was the most beautiful thing he had seen in years. I thought all my kids how to fish and cook and clean them. When they got older I thought them gun safety and how to shoot Rifles, Pistols and Shotguns . All my Kids have bought the CZ 9mms . Personally I was raised on Colts and S&W with the K-22 being one of my favorites and I built a Double Action N frame in the 45LC. It was a True Blessing to be brought up in the 50s- 60s and 70s . I was Drafted in April 15 of 69 but 2 days before I was in a motorcycle accident and had a fractured pelvis bone. I watched a lot of TV in those days and Sea Hunt was always a favorite of mine. I became a Certified Scuba Diver at the age of 17 years old. My Instructors from the Korean War UDT guys. Being born in Santa Monica Hospital and learning how to swim in Santa Monica Bay - saltwater was my real home.
Thanks for sharing
I prefer the 270. It’s an awesome round and if rifle makers got behind it with faster twist barrels the 7prc would go to the way side.
Thanks for watching
@@ReloadingWeatherby always bro I like watching your stuff for sure
A lot of the problem with the .270 win today is that it was standardized with slow twist rates and a looser chamber than modern cartridges. I doubt Winchester would ever support it enough today to take it back to SAAMI.
@@slaydeday5677I believe that a “looser chamber” only matters if you don’t handload - which is a legitimate concern for many people. If you do handload, .270 Winchester is a mighty fine cartridge to work with… especially with newer bullets being made in .277 caliber.
@@chipsterb4946 I have one and love it. And I’ve loaded a little for it on a friend’s equipment. But I’ve never been able to get the same accuracy out of it as more modern calibers.
With my 7prc (22” barrel) federal 170gr term ascent 2981fps bc 0.646 @5000ft @50 deg temp @ 500yds 2256ftlbs and 2390fps. If elk are on the menu, I’m taking 7prc. 270 for deer and smaller for me. Just a little more thump with 7PRC.
Thanks for sharing
Man that gotta be some good grass you smoking lol barrel just as cooked 😂
🕵️♂️ Isn't It Funny How I Just Watch a Video of "El Chupagoats" Using a 180 Grain Hoeneday ELD-M Bullet (Target Bullet) Only Getting 2,756 ft/a With 66.2 grains of Retumbo (A Good Magnum Powder)? .🤭
🤔 Isn't It Also Interesting That Austin Just Did a Video Showing The 120 Year Old 30-06 Getting Well Over 2,800 ft/s With a 190 grain Nosler ABLR Bonded "Hunting Bullet"? 😯
🕵️♂️ And, Isn't it Also Interesting That The "Quick Loads" Program Shows The 100 Year Old 270 Winchester Shooting a 180 Grain Woodleigh Weldcore Bonded "Hunting Bullet" Can Get 2,820 ft/s, Also Using Far Less Powder and Having Far Less Recoill Than The 7mm prc? 😯
Growing up deer hunting in Florida and Georgia, dad always had me shooting 243 and 260. My high school graduation present was a 270. No way in hell I’ll ever get rid of that cartridge/gun or stop using it
Lots of Alaska hunters carry 270 .
I guess I'm a fud but I'm a happy fud because I have a 270 Winchester😂👍
Your numbers are not true. My 22” proof barrell on a tikka action chambered in 7mmprc is pushing a 190 a tip at 2925fps. 69.5gr h1000. 270 win doesnt even compare.
You are shooting 3 gr over max... that doesn't surprise me you're getting faster velocities.
😬 And This is The Real Problem - People Trying to "Bench Race", Just To Say They Can Achieve a Velocity 100 ft/as Faster Than The Guy With Factory Ammunition in a "Little Cartridge"! They Always Go Past the RECOMENDED SAFE Powder Charges and It Usually Doesn't Help Accuracy Any! 😱 Well, My 30 Caliber "Thor's Hammer" Can Push a 200 Grain "Hunting Bullet" (Not "Target Bullet", Like Those Heavier 7mm Bullets Only Have) to 3,700 ft/s (😱) - So, Sorry, Not Impressed! 🤭
😂 Why Are You 7mm prc Fans So Concerned About Getting Another 50 ft/s to 100 ft/s - Buy Pushing A "Little Cartridge" Like the 7mm prc - Over RECOMENDED BOOK POWDER CHARGES? 😱That is Hardly Something to Brag About! 🤭
😂 Speaking of "Not Comparing", You 7mm prc "Doesn't Compare" to Any of the 30 Caliber Magnums! 😳
I’m still sticking with my 270
Fascinating insight into the "new vs old" cartridge debate. I think personally I will stick with my Weatherby Vanguard in .270 and continue to learn what it can do with handloads, but still interesting to see how it compares to the new kids on the block. Good work as always!
I like them both..the .270 may be old..but it just got better with age.
Own both. Love both. What you left out is that the new fast twist high BC rifles is why the 270 has moved or being push harder. And new info and data is being used.
Come on man, with some of the new reloading data starting to come out the 7mm PRC is starting to show some good numbers! I have 3 270 winchesters, including the new weatherby vanguard outfitter , for deer I like the 270, for Elk I’m taking the 7mm PRC give me a 195 grain Berger Eol heavy bullets over 150 grain 270 all day
What new data is out there? You have Hornady and Hodgdon and a page from Nosler. Am I missing any other? Why would I be using a 150 gr when I can shoot a 170 gr? I never said the 270 Winchester flat out beats the 7mm PRC. The 270 Win comes remarkably close. Let's just use the 195 gr EOL in 7mm PRC... 195 gr at 2800 FPS gives you 26 MOA at 1000 yards and 4.97 MOA in wind drift. 270 Winchester is still within 1 MOA in both wind and drop. 7mm PRC does have 280 more ft.lbs of energy. However at 1000 yards neither cartridge is going fast enough to expand.
270 can do it all no doubts whatsoever. But in my experience so far i love the 7prc. In my opinion it just comes down to do you want an older cartridge that is absolutely capable and dont need anything else or are you someone that just loves trying the new innovations. The only true edge that i will give the 7prc hands down is i have 3 270 rifles and 2 7prc’s. And with me behind the rifle i tend to consistently get better groups out if my 7prcs. Maybe its just the rifles or maybe its confidence hard to tell.
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My father swore by his 270.. He loved Jack O Conner... Also love his 7 mm 08. Browning .Micro Medallion. While hunting in Utah he dropped his Browning and then wasn't sure of zero... His buddy said shoot my 35 Whelan it's zeroed... One shot one kill Now he comes home and says, " Boy I really like that 35 Whelan , One shot and the Elk didn't even take a step " lol One thing he understood was that the MOST important thing was shot placement... Shoot what you shoot well
Man Bun 🤣 Hilarious. How many rounds do you have through that 7? I shot that same federal 175 ammo last weekend and was averaging 3001fps and .75"MOA.
150-200 rounds. Federal is using RL-26, which I did say will get you 3000 FPS. Let's just put in the calculations for 3000 FPS with the 175 ELD-X. At 1000 yards it has a 200 ft.lb advantage over the 270 Winchester and 3 MOA in drop. Wind drift has a .75 MOA advantage. Again.. 270 Winchester is holding it's own.
The .270 gets you almost the same ballistics as the 7prc but with 5-6lbs less recoil!
If you really want to make a 270 come alive, run 150 grain badlands 150 grain super bulldozer 2 in it. It takes an 8 twist barrel and mine is just shy of 3100 fps. It still blows my mind.
Awesomeness, love your coverage of this, as well as #hornadypowdergate and #savethe6.8western 😅
That's with a 22 inch barrel with a 270 win, which is crazy, put the browning 26 inch barrel in the game and the difference is only 14 ft lbs of energy at 1000 yards.
I would love to see more 300 Norma content
For Long Range target shooting there's no question the 7 PRC beats out the 270.
Thanks for commenting
Agreed - but the 6.5 PRC has less recoil and is very efficient.
@@chipsterb4946the 6.5PRC is basically another version of the 270.
@@texpatriot8462 to me the .270 is a great hunting cartridge. The PRCs were designed for 600+ yard target shooting. That’s a neat idea but irrelevant to me.
6.5 PRC goes in a short action … at least in theory while .270 needs a standard (or “long”) action. Looking at Hornady data the 6.5 PRC outperforms .270 with a 130 grain bullet in terms of velocity and the bullets have a higher BC. However, Barnes’ load data shows better velocities out of the .270 for 130 grain bullets. While I don’t have definitive data at my fingertips, I think the .270 has a bit more recoil.
I do find it pretty funny that .270 Winchester outperforms 6.5 Creedmoor by virtually every measure except recoil.
@@chipsterb4946 I have a 270 Winchester and the recoil is not different vs 6.5PRC. I am selling the PRC and keeping the 270. With 270, ammo choices are fantastic and reloading components are plentiful. IMO - the only reason to get any PRC is long range target work.
I realize Federal ammo may have different numbers but since Hornady is "temporarily" running slower, is it really worth spending the $ on a 7PRC or just keep my .270 and call it good?
Keep your 270. Maybe try Superformance ammo for more punch or come up with a load your rifle shoots well.
If you have a good shooting 270 and are shooting under 500yrds, the 7 PRC isn't going to do much or you.
Now you're just wanting something new, then for sure go for the 7 Prc.
I have looked at the 6.8 Western the 7PRC to see what it can really do over the .270 Win. Currently the Hornady Precision Hunter 145gr ELDX shoots the best out of my rifle. 1/2 -3/4 and that's factory ammo. With the numbers lately with Hornady, I can't get an accurate comparison. I understand it may have more energy but if it is going slower, the other numbers won't be the same. Then to me the .270 isn't that much different. Educate me... what am I not getting?
@@scottbeto2371 You need to watch where you're getting your information from about the Prc.
Haters are all over this cartridge for some reason.
Current Hornady ammo is crap but the Federal 175s are getting 3k if not pretty close to it. There's plenty of videos about it.
If you reload, then getting the velocities is easy. Again, plenty of resources out there for that as well.
Hell, Backfire sent a 175 down range at 3118 I think it was. It was way over pressure but still.
The PRC is geared for sending the 175-190ish range of projectiles out 5-800yrds effectively.
If this isn't what you're trying to do and already have a sub-moa 270....
It's probably not worth spending the money.
Full disclosure here...my 7 PRC is supposed to be delivered tomorrow. I spent more money than I care to admit having LRI rebarrel a Howa 1500 to 7Prc. I am what some would call a fanboy.
If you already have a viable rifle why would it be worth spending another 1-3k grand
Reloading W please do a video comparing the 35 whelen vs 338 RPM.
People need to understand that the old "FUD" cartridges have gained more in the past 20 years than any modern cartridge out there. With the new powders being developed and bullets we are seeing huge changes in the old reliable cartridges. Let's look at 30-06 for example. The original 150gr load got a velocity of only 2700 back in 1906. Today 3000+ is pretty easy to do. And this trend can be seen in all our "FUD" cartridges. 7mm08 can push a 162eldx over 2800 out performing every creedmoor 22. 6mm. And 6.5 loading. And like reloading weatherby stated 270 win pushes a 170 at 2850 out of a 22in barrel meaning 2900 out of a 24 is possible. I will admit the new cartridges have advantages but they are not the wide differences manufacturers would like you to believe.
You’re not wrong on what you’re saying, but it only works if you handload, which unfortunately most people do not :(
🤷♂️ And, Whose Fault (Or, Responsiblity) is That? You Reap What You Sow! 😯
@phild9813 actually the number I gave are from today's factory offerings. Hornady superformance. Many other manufacturers offer the same in the older cartridges. Winchester loads 190gr ablrs for 30-06 at 2800fps, Hornady loads 145gr eldx 270 at 2970fps. If you want the best performance out of any cartridge you have to handload for it regardless of how old or new it is.
🕵️♂️ No One Seems to Be Even Getting Close to The Published Data in ANY of Their Powders For Handloads or the Factory Ammunition Velocities Listed on the Box! I Have Probably Watched Every U-Tube Video on the 7mm prc and That is The Constant Findings! ☹
🙄 Horneday's "Excuse" Was Offered on Ron Spomers Channel - That They Can't Get Reloader 26! 🤥 So, What Happens When You Put Reloader 26 in Say a 7mm Weatherby Magnum (An 80 Year Old Cartridge)? You'll Get 100 ft/s Faster Than Horneday's Best Published Velocities for the 7mm prc! 😂
I load my 6.8 western with the 175 grain sierras, and I can hit 3,000fps it is over recommended max load but still doesn't have pressure signs
Yup same with my PRC... I even still have a few of the old boxes of factory Hornady that pushes past 3000 before their powder crunch. Seeing pressure issues at max recommended loads sounds like homie needs a better chamber/ barrel or need to check out his reloading .
Wow! The 7 PRC joined the ranks of the 6.5 Creedmoor lol
Ignorance is bliss
To my friends and co-workers im an oddity but i honestly dont hate on any cartridge. Im just a fan of guns and ballistics and seems to me theres just a multitude of ways to accomplish the same goals.
I have, however, narrowed down to whitetail hunting with a 270 win for the last several years. My possible shots are 330yds and in and ive settled on a DBL Tap 160gr Nosler Partition load and thats with factory twist and my Wby Van loves them, whitetail hate them.
Im not a fanboy of the 270win but im definitely a fan. 90gr-110gr decimates varmits and 120gr-160gr for medium to large game. Ammo is available everywhere and for standard prices, pretty much all makers chamber models in it, its just a good choice.
If i were to shoot long range, while id almost surely choose one of several other options that are taylor made for such shooting, theres no doubt the duece-sempty would handle that task just fine with appropriate bullets and even better with a tighter twist bbl. As your video lays out, itll still hold its own.
7mm prc lives rent free in this guys head. We all know you hate it.
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Ha! I rather enjoy being the hated and loved man on the mountain. Been hunting with 6.5 CM, deer and elk with 127 gr Barnes monolithic. Out to 400 yards I’ve had zero issues(no they don’t run a mile and don’t need 12 shots). Low recoil, light handy rifle and in actual real world hunting experience. Freezer has stayed full, no need for anything else. I put away the bigger cartridges 6 years ago and I’m never going back. Thanks for the vids, enjoy the content, God Bless.
Thanks for watching
You’re using max 270 velocity along with the highest BC bullet. You acknowledged it, with a 7mm 180 gr ELD M the BC is WAY higher than the 175 gr. Plus you are using velocities on the low end on the PRC. I get the point you are trying to make, but you could make this case on many different cartridges. If you used max velocity and max BC projectile versus average velocity and average BC projectile. Thanks for the video I enjoy your content.
🕵️♂️ Actually, He Isn't! Put a 24" Barrel or Even 26" Barrel on It (Like the 7mm Remington Magnum Typically Uses), Add in Some Reloader 26 Powder (Horneday's Excuse For Not Getting 3,000 ft/s) and Their is Your 3,000 ft/s - With the 270 Winchester and That Heavier Bullet, Using Alot Less Powder and Having Alot Less Recoil! 😱
Mate, hodgdons manual uses all 24" barrels.. u want to explain how less powder with more bore friction equals the same velocity lol
All manuals show thr pc doing 3000fps with a 24" barrel and the 270w doing 2800fps with a 24" barrel. With pressure data. Powder manufactur hodgdon. Not hornady.
🕵️♂️ Are The Rifes Generating 65,000 psi of Chamber Pressure - Which is What Causes The Bullet To Reach It's Maxium "Safe" Velocity Potential? Apparently Not - With The "Recommended Powder Charges"! What That Means Is That They Won't Get The Advertised Velocities! Mabey I Can Give You A List of Some Reputable U-Tube Channels to Watch That Are Getting Well Below Advertised Velocities and You Can See For Yourself? 🧐
🕵️♂️ Let's Start With SOAonline! They Are a Ammunition Manfacturing Company! Horneday's Factory Ammunition Velocity Measured 2,867 ft/s! Their's Measured at 2,942 ft/s! See What They Say About the 7mm prc?😱
🕵️♂️ Next, Let's Go To "Apex, Living With Predators Website"! He Tested Multiple 7mm prc's! With 70 grains of Retumbo (Case Maximums) and Pressure Signs - He Was Getting 2,782 ft/s! How Is This an "Effecient Cartridge", When My 270 Winchester Can Exceed That Velocity With 15 Grains Less Powder and a Heavier 180 Grain Woodleigh Welcore Hunting Bullet or the 30-06 with a 190 grain Nosler ABLR and Get Over 2,800 ft/s (As Shown By Austin - Reloading Weatherby - Here)? 🤭 I Know What I Would Rather Hunt With and It Isn't the 7mm prc! 😜
The most important factor... all these new BIGGER & BETTER cartridges ...
Typically require a LOT MORE POWDER, FOR A VERY MARGINAL GAIN.
While the 7PRC tends to be more efficient than the 7RM, in both cases, they use 5-10g more powder, for a 3-5% gain in velocity/energy.
That's a notable increase in recoil, for a negligible gain in performance.
The .270 Win (and even the 30-06) is hanging right in there using 53-56g powder, vs the 7 Magnums... requiring 65-70g.
This is why the 6.5PRC and 6.8W, using 150g-170g bullets are my favs.
They come very close to the 7mm mag family of performance, with 55-65g of powder.
Competitive performance with lower recoil.
Thanks for watching
I have a ton of both 270s and 7PRCs. I've had one cartridge really really impress me with what I've been able to do with it and it's new to me as is the 7PRC, and that's the 280AI. Sure wish I had listened to a few rifle builders 20 or so years ago and at least built ONE. Couldn't help myself, stuck with 270 Win build after build or 30-06 or 308. Although I really like a big variety and have a ton of fun with all of them, at this moment if were to start selling off a bunch of my rifles and kept only a few, here's the list, again, at this moment:
6.5-284 Norma
280AI
300WSM
270 Win
That list would likely change by the time I go to bed. 🙃
Just more or less comes down to if you reload or not to which is better for you. An its always divide on new cartidges. Just like the 22 Creedmoor that 22-250 fans hate. We all have the love for the same things an appreciate the content you bring as always no matter whether we like the result or not you spent your time an money on it an we didnt.
Where's the 340? 😭
I wonder if the 7mm PRC's velocities were reduced to save barrels in the long run. All of the short-fats are a bit hard on throats.
I think the 7mm PRC case just isn't that big.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Hmmm. I am going to have to break out my COTW and look at the specs.
If the 7 mm pre was not a superior accurate Les recoil round it would not have been introduced. Simply as that.
Geezer here. I think your assessment is valid.
Maybe I am a .270 wcf zealot, it is my primary hunting round. I first used my ( handed down ) Husqvarna in 1970. I have been through a variety of other chamberings but nothing really impressed me.
I am a sheep hunter first, and always have a bull Elk tag in my pocket
The secret to my success...use a good bullet a controlled expansion type.
In the old days the Nosler Partition, now we have a much , much wider selection of bullets.
Worked as guide for local outfitter's in my youth and beyond. In those days we would go 85% success rate on Bull Elk.
Kinetic Energy doesn't matter, a destructive wound channel matters, imo.
I have seen close range wounding so this Geezer will not shoot at longer ranges.
Fast twist options really don't factor in for this type of mountain hunting
My 2 cents
Thanks for watching
7mm manbun 😂 im dieing. I have heard of the 6.5 manbun .. guess Hornady made a whole manbun series.
Point to the 7prc and tell me were it touched you. On paper you make a interesting arguement. Have you ever shot past 100yds? 500 yds? 1000yds? Love the troll vid. A little trolling back atchya.... bro. Have a good one.
Oh man I missed this comment. Thanks for watching! Yep I've never shot past 100 yards in my life...
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🤭 Correction: 6.5 prc 143 grain bullet - Advertised Velocity 2,960 ft/s and Achieved Velocity 2,938 ft/s!
The best cartridge in the best rifle with a 24 inch barrel and a 1 in 8 twist is the 280AI. Just my opinion .
I think it's the most balanced cartridge
😁 Then Maybe You Need "More Balance" (i.e. a 280 AI) In Your Life? 😜
Great video as always. The 270 win great cartridge i own the prc and i reload also. If i was to buy a brand new rifle it would be the old fashioned 7 rem mag and if u want the high bc just simply buy one with the right twist rate cause they do make them in factory offerings
I will stick with 7prc as I like having bigger bullet. Also I have N560 powder 😂😂 not only that. But the bullet used for the 270 I would never use on game. I want a bonded bullet or solid copper. Seen to many Berger just completely come apart. But if it’s just hitting steel or paper then Berger is the king for that.
I agree... on bullet choice
😏 That's Interesting "Reloading Quest", Because The 270 Winchester Has Bonded Bullets (Woodleigh Weldcore) That Goes Up to 180 grains (And I Know of 1 Company That Factory Loads Them Too), But the 7mm Caliber Only Goes to 175 grains With Bonded Bullets! 😳 Problem Solved - Stick With the 270 Winchester! 😜
🕵️♂️ And, The Quick Loads Program Shows That You Can Push That 180 Grain Bullet to 2,820 ft/s Out of The 270 Winchester - Which is 120 ft/s Faster Than the Same Weight Bullet Comes Out of the 30-06 With Factory Loads and The 30-06 Has Lower B.C. Bullets (Typically) in That Same Bullet Weight! 😁 PROBLEM SOLVED! 👨⚖
@@ronlowney4700 Hahha oh you 270 guys. I will stick with a bigger bullet and you are comparing hand loads to factory? How’s that fair? The 190gt abl or s 180 sould copper out off a 06. And there are solid copper bullet you can push out the 7prc as well. Not only that, if you run a heavy bullet in a 270 you will need to fast twist the barrel and I know for sure they won’t stabilize where I live. But use what you like to use. And I will use that I want to use. Really I will talke a 280ai of the 270 and 7prc.
@@ronlowney4700 also I have shot a 185gr bullet over 2950 out of a 30-06 using n555 just so you know. Ones you put handloads into the picture everything changes
Pretty weird the best you can get with 7 PRC even with showing pressure isn’t as good as what factory ammo could get when it first came out…
🕵️♂️ You Will Notice (At Time 2:11 of This Video) 🕵️♂️ That Brownings Fast Twist 270 Rifles HOLD 6 ROUNDS - While the 7mm prc Rifles Typically Hold Only 3 Rounds! That Means You Better Make Every Shot Count - From Fleeing Elk to Charging Grizzly Bears - or "Bad Things" Will Happen to You! 😱
I made a fast twist 1-8 270 win 26" . RL 26 handload 2,920 fps. 3,209 ft lbs at muzzel , 2,000 ft lbs out to 460 yds, at ssea level. You can ge even better performance out of a Badlands precision150 gr Bulldozer 2, at seaa level transonic out to 1,660 yds. There is reaaly no need for another rifle. It does it all.
Truth is there's not a huge difference in these two. The 7PRC is definitely the more potent of the two but it's not like there's anything you can do with it that you couldn't also do with the 270. Bullet diameter is extremely similar and so is the game each is suitable for. So pick which one you like best and take your game in style - they're both winners.
I just noticed you are big on BC's and I am big on SD's because I do not care about ballistics beyond 250-300 yards. Be well!
I guess if you compare worst case scenario prc vs best case scenario 270 they start to perform similar… I appreciate using real world measured data but your PRC data seems to be lower than most and giving lots of favors to the 270
Possibly... but as I said I think you're only going to get 3000 FPS with a max load of RL-26 or... if you stand on it with other powders going over max. The 270 data I provided according to GRT is only at 64.5k psi and I was using a 22 inch barrel for those velocities. The 7mm PRC has a 24 inch barrel.
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh yeah I’ve pushed a 175 from a 22 inch PRC from my old man’s rifle. Using ADG brass and over book max of H1000. I’m sure it’s over pressure but no signs of it.
Also he’s growing his man bun after buying the PRC 😂
@@ReloadingWeatherby and thanks for the great videos! Always appreciated!
🕵️♂️ So, What Were the Test Results of Horneday's Own Ammunition? 1.) 6.5 Creedmore 129 grain bullet - Advertised Velocity 2,950 ft/s and Achieved Velocity 2,762 ft/s 2.) 6.5 prc 143 grain bullet - Advertised Velocity 2,950 ft/s and Achieved Velocity 2,932 ft/s 3.) 270 Winchester 130 grain bullet - Advertised Velocity 3,200 ft/s and Achieved Velocity 3,228 ft/s! Give Me the 270 Winchester! 😜
I think we have to come up with an alternative hair style for the 7prc. Man bun status is strictly reserved for the 6.5 needsmore.
That's fair
Maybe a manbun dyed purple. 🤣
Wispy mustache.......
🐔 The Mohawk! 🤣
Crewcut … but with an earring 😝
Keen to know the jump or distance to the lands you are getting from factory 7mm PRC to everyone’s factory rifles. I am seeing it is very long.
Your comparison is not correct. If your going to compare make it fsir. Highest published load data i could find for 270w 170g was 2805fps. You got 2850fps. Thats fine.
But hornady book max for 7mm prc eldx is 3000.... with 3 powders and you got it at 2875fps?
I dont have a dog in his race, my rifles are 30cals, but if your going to present info for a comparison, instead of just pleasing the 270w fan boys, make it reliable. I see the same with 30 cals in videos going over 3006 max data "because its book max is 60kpsi" with bottom end 300win loads to show little difference.
Science says 7mm prc has significant advantage due to significant powder advantage + more efficient (bore ratio). 82g v 67g. H20.
Plus heavy projectiles dnt kill case capacity. Dofference is significant when looking at real numbers of 270 at 2800fps and 7mm prc at 3000fps.
The 185g in prc nosler manual has 2880fps.
My comparison was with real world numbers... not hypothetical marketing numbers to help sell a cartridge. Remember I'm only using a 22 inch barrel on the 270... I have a 24 inch barrel on my 7mm PRC.
@ReloadingWeatherby so the 270 would have a even slower speed with a 22"...
Mate hodgdon lists 7mm prc
Ramshot 80g, 3083fps, 62,400psi
Powder manufacturer wants to sell 7mm prcs, your kidding right? Il believe tried and PRESSURE tested data thr powder manufacturer releases over your figures.
Just get a 6.8Western
Did you develop that ballistic chart spreadsheet? Is it sharable, or available for download?
👍 Nice Video Austin! 🥳
Thought you would enjoy it.
A CPR video to put the 270 Win on artificial respiration... If the high pressure (artificial respiration) in the 270 Win drops, it chokes and dies...
One thing I have yet to hear about or see is anyone testing Reloder 25 in the 7PRC. I see such close numbers with it and Re26 in some data books on various cartridges. I have a few pounds on hand but I'm saving it for the 270-7PRC
It's hard to come by
😃 Derek, Have You Considered Necking Up the 6.8 Western to 7mm? 🤪
@@ronlowney4700 No. I was thinking 50 cal
And here I thought that PRC is Precision Rifle Cartridge abbreviated ...
... just to learn that it's supposed to mean High Velocity Cartridge.
Duh!!
Nah... it stands for Public Relations Cartridge
😂😂😂 so what your saying is 7Prc can only get 3000 with one powder and when it does it shows pressure signs? Lol so we just ignore all the factory ammo that was pushing 3000FPS before Hornady changed the powder they were using? I have shot ruffly 150 rounds of the old factory 180 eld-m and achieved box rating. We just gonna act like that never happened? Ok well 270 is a great round up too about 150 anything bigger and you push into the powder cone.... PRC can do with a 190grain that the 270 does with a 150. Does 40 grains matter? Who knows at somepoint it does otherwise kats would choose something smaller than a 270 😂😂 great video.
Hornady was using RL-26 to get those velocities.
FUDs win again!
“Real world numbers” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😯 Would You Care To Take a Guess Which of These Cartridges Shot the Flattest (Out to 500 Yards, My Limit For Deer and Antelope), Using This Independent Data? 😉 Well, It Wasn't the Horneday Designed Cartridges! 🤭
175grs vs 145grs., going about the same velocity.
oof. out of the frying pan into the fire 😅
The 7 prc isn't manbun territory, 6.5 creedmoor is. It was creedmoor vs the world That being said, now it's.270 vs 6.5 prc. The funniest thing about the 270 fan boys is, they don't realize that "6.5" is actually 6.7mm. 264 is 6.7mm not 6.5mm. 6.5mm is measured on the grooves. So the argument I have seen for 25 years(I was a 6.5x55 guy before 6.5 prc) is .264 is too small but .277 is just fine. And the whopping difference is...1/10th of one milimeter.
I think the only reason 270 and 30/06 aren’t popular with younger people is the names aren’t catchy like the PRC or anything that has magnum in it
Marketing is strong with the newer cartridges.
@@ReloadingWeatherby i like watching the real gunsmith on RUclips alot of people says he is behind the times but he knows what is proven performers and just don’t go along with the latest greatest because he knows they really aint better than what we have had for years. He is no nonsense
🤔 So, 20% More Recoil (A Whole Lot More Recoil) For the 7mm prc - For Just 0.7" Less Drop, 43 More ft/s of Bullet Velocity, and 137 More Ft Lbs of Energy At 400 Yards? ☹ That Is No Practical Difference To Killing Anything "Better"! 😳
People always talking about a 270 Winchester is not a big game cartridge then they continue to go on and on because they’re caught up in this BS ballistic coefficient and twist rate just for the record the 270 Winchester was not designed to shoot heavier bullets 130 is the sweet spot although it can stabilize with a regular 1 and 10 twist up to probably 180gr if they made it but that’s besides the point ballistic coefficient does not even come into existence until your way out there pass 500+ yards in which no one should be ethically shooting at our majestic wildlife pass that ‘ yeah yeah yeah I know your buddy or Or someone you know or maybe even yourself has killed animals well pass that Point that I’m making is 270 is a superb killer on Whitetail Caribou black bear elk moose and other big game animals in that size spectrum and some even larger with the right bullet 130gr up to 150gr at 3000fps or 3100fps will not bounce off of anything and will do an amazing job with the right bullet and shot placement as with any other big game rifle come on guys 270win is no slouch and is a much alive today as it was in past years don’t get caught up in this ballistic coefficient hype and this PRC bs 270win shoots fast flat and hits extremely hard can’t go wrong and by the way reload 26 takes that 270 into a whole New world
The fan club needs to realize the prc is a nice gun but not "better" than whats already available. Its the chevy ford argument.
Personally, I am taking the 270. For what ever reason, I just can't stand 7mm PRC, and I don't even know why, but I hate it. Then again, I'm old. 😅🤣😂
Thanks for watching
270 Winchester? The 100 year old cartridge that can do basically everything the latest and greatest PRCs are doing? 🤔Yeah I’ll stick with that…
Thanks for watching
How dare you ! The prc cartridges are so good that they are out of this world…. Some say it’s alien technology! That’s how good they are ….thats how good they are …. 😂
Ill take the 270 win anyday. Id rather have a fast twist 25-06 than a 7prc.
Before I finish the video im assuming you're going to inflate the 270 numbers and deflate the 7mm.
Just using real velocities I got with both
@ReloadingWeatherby other people are getting over 3K including myself with the 7prc. And my 270 doesn't like bullets over 140 grains. So if I was doing this exact same video I'd have very different results.
@alexheilman1035 Factory ammo or are you reloading?
Reloading. 7mm prc is a seekings ph2 so my barrel is longer most though with full disclosure.
🕵️♂️ After Watch John McAdams Video (Are Ammunition Companies Lying About Their Muzzle Velocities) and Mason Leathers Video (2,950 ft/s My A@@SS) - It Appears That The Cartridges Having The Most Trouble Achieving Horneday's Advertised Muzzle Velocities Are Horneday's Own Cartridges! 🤪
Good video!! Once again the advantage of reloading!! You can make the tried and true and old 😂 270 better than the 7mm prc!!
Not sure the 270 Winchester is better, but it sure does hold it's own with modern bullets.
@ReloadingWeatherby it's ok to offend people by saying something old is better than something new. 🤷 For example. I think the best thing about the 300 weatherby is taking 300 weatherby brass and resizing it to 8mm Remington magnum. 🤷
Man bun 7PRC?
190’s at 2955 is not a slouch. That’s with N568.
What’s the 270 capable of with a 150-170? Or anything remotely similar to a .751G1 BC
For the ones that think these are remotely similar in capability, I recommend starting over at “A”
How much over max are you? My friend got 2950 FPS with the 195 gr... but was blowing primers due to over pressure
Being there is no good data for N568 with 190LRHT and I have no pressure signs or excessive web expansion, I’d say none. Primer pockets are tight.
I’m using Peterson brass.
@@philrizzo Now I'm curious... how much powder are you using?
I’ll share but not on a platform this broad.
It’s barely compressed with an 8” drop tube.
With 568 I’m not sure you can over-pressure.
🤪 So, If You Can Get The "Same End Result" (Dead Animal) With a Product That Costs 1/2 the Price to Shoot, Why Wouldn't You??? 🤭
Just for Kicks & Giggles let’s do a three way comparison with
*Factory ammo
*Factory rifles (no custom twist rates)
Then comparisons with
*Reloaded ammo
*Custom rifles
The calibres
.270W
7mm PRC
& that other .277 caliber that Browning & Winchester make rifles & ammo in ???? 🇦🇺
The 6.8 Western
Good idea
😏 So, 1.35" Difference of Drop an 0.7" Difference in Wind Drift Between the Two Cartridges at 500 yards? No Problem/Big Deal - I'll Just Have to Aim 1" Inch Higher With My 270 Winchester Then! 😂 Problem Solved! 👨⚖
I have no desire for long range shooting,all o have ever done is deer hunt in mountains i don't care ggor all the new calibers
👨🎓 Smart Hunters Realize That You Keep Your Shots To Ethical Ranges (400 Yards or Less For Most People) and If You Want More "Killing Power", You Step Up To A Larger Bullet Diameter - Without Stepping Up To a Larger Case! So, You Just Go From a 270 Winchester to a 30-06 to a 338-06 to a 35 Whelen! PROBLEM SOLVED! 👨⚖
This comment is less about the video and more about the heavily opinionated people in the gun community if you use only logic without any personal bias or anything everyone knows deep down the best cartridge is the one you have shot the most that you get the best groups with that you feel the most confident with if you are new to hunting find some thing with over 3000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle and you’re good for the lower 48. With that being said once you truly find a cartridge that you’re passionate about that’s when the real love of firearms will begin I started my journey with a 22 then a 556 and to start hunting I chose 65 Grendel. If I would have known what I know now I probably would’ve went with a 3030 lever gun but the good thing is the 65 Grendel does just fine. Depending on your personality you might wanna go with an old historic gun or something brand new thankfully in America we all get the choice some areas you have to hunt with a straight wall cartridge so your selection will be different but there are a massive massive amount of Really amazing cartridges out there and thankfully there’s plenty of cheap options for rifles that shoot sub minute of angle once you find the right ammo feel good with your choice if not there’s always a new rifle and who doesn’t love that
Isn't it great we have so many good options?
@@ReloadingWeatherby I agree 100% truth be told if I knew about the sevenPRC powder gate I would’ve went with a 300 WSM because that was my ideal cartridge in my head but I got sucked into the hype. And after watching so many of your videos I can’t wait to own a Weatherby cartridge I think people should just get a rifle try it out for themselves and see what they like I love the videos you make
@@Chris-liwymi 300WSM da bomb. Thrilled with mine.
@@Accuracy1st Damn congrats my man I’m jealous I really wish I would have chose it but in my area I can’t find ammo and online it was almost $100 a box at the time very nice my man what rifle did you get with it
@@Chris-liwymi unfortunately youtube deletes my comments if I post where to buy 300wsm ammo for about $50/box of Norma tipstrike and Normal bondstrike but the guy has plenty of both and is in Texas.
I have a 300WSM modified reamer made by JGS. I had the body opened up 0.02 and freebore lengthened so a 210 Berger is seated long just like the PRC designs. Thus, you have to have a medium to long action. My first is a Tikka stainless T3x Lite and my builder used my reamer to modify that factory barrel chamber.
My second is a 24" K&P cut-rifled 8 twist #3 barrel I use with my Terminus Zeus quick barrel change long action. It's still in handload development process but right now it's insanely precise. I just got my Brux 4 groove #3 10 twist barrel and it will be cut for this action as well. I have more 30 cal barrels but bought into the hype (CRAP) on all this mystical and magical fast twist is NECESSARY and they are all 8 twist. AFTER I did more homework I realized I've done nothing but sacrifice potential velocity since that is what happens when you use faster twist barrels when NOT NECESSARY. Thus, I've ordered more 10 and 11 twist barrels for 300WSM. I do not plan to shoot any bullet heavier than 215. My gun builder used a 13 twist for his 300WSM using a 190 bullet. Now there's no shortage of (and I say this nicely), knuckleheads preaching that you need at least a 1-8 twist for something like a 300WSM. Really? It's gotten out of hand.
i went with an 8 twist to start, which I'm very pleased, with my newest project, the 270-7PRC but even Berger says their 170 EOL only needs a 9 twist so I have a few on order
Fanboys of any caliber are annoying. Ever talk to dudes that swear 5.56 is all you need for everything? Deer, bear, Elk and man! Usually a bunch of tacticool Army Ranger reject types that don't understand why the military picked the round and will drop the round as soon as they can get their hands on the new one the army has picked.
I did a video covering that topic. The comments section for that video are fun
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh bro I bet.
I spent 4 hours stuck in a conversation with a guy that claimed his $16,000 AR setup (thing looked like it weighed 100lbs it had so much bullshit attached to the rails) was “sighted in at 1000 yards” however that’s supposed to work. And he has personally seen guys “hit with 5.56 at 900 yards blown apart”
Pretty sure my IQ dropped 50 points in the first 10 minutes of him speaking. Also he had dozens of photos of him in all kinds of operator gear. Dude works for a prison or something. Never served. Idk why but I swear every single one of these dudes is copy pasted.
@@beware3586 If you want to be entertained by the comments... here is the video ruclips.net/video/fpSFP7iXOyM/видео.html
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yes thank you!
Give the PRC another Black Eye 🥴
Or Two! It is a "TKO"! 🥊😵
😂 I Think The Real Question Here is Who Were The "Most Annoying Horneday Fanboys" - the 7mm prc Fans or the 6.5 Creedmore Fans? 🥴 Or, Are They Really The Same Group of People? 😱
🤣🤣
😂😂😂
I think you may of went off the rails a bit with this one. Lol
How so?
@@ReloadingWeatherby Welp...You know the Federal ammo is doing what it's doing but start the video off saying that you can't get factory ammo that does that and use 150fps less than that for the comparison.
You're comparing 270 reloads to the crappiest factory Prc that's currently available.
You're fully aware of what people are getting out Prc reloads, you've read all the same stuff I have.
You're comparing the top end of the 270 to where the Prc is just getting started.
Idk...the whole video felt like a bit of a stretch of reality.
The 270 is a damn fine cartridge. Half decent long range cartridge even in its SAAMI form. But it's no Prc. It's really not even close, not at distance anyways.
@@ReloadingWeatherby It's supposed to be delivered tomorrow by the way. 😁
@@ReloadingWeatherby I guess it just goes back to the same conversation we always have.
If you modify the legacy rifles/cartridges, they can be equal to or better than modern cartridges you can buy off the shelf but in their SAAMI form they're just not.
@@dankcincy Here is what I have found with loading 2 different 7mm PRC rifles with 24 inch barrels. You can only get 3000 FPS(175gr) with RL-26. Hornady wanted to prove just how superior their new cartridge was over the 7 Rem Mag and 6.8 Western so they used the fastest powder possible. Hornady made a gamble and now it's biting them in the butt. Federal who is owned by the same company that owns Alliant powders has taken advantage and is using RL-26.
All other powders I've tried... Retumbo, H1000, RL-22, H4831SC and Staball HD don't come close to 3000 FPS. The only way to do that is to just stand on it with reloads. So yes reloaders are getting close to or 3000 FPS by being 3 gr over max. And sure you can do that, just expect short brass life. I did this with my 300 WBY for a time. If I really wanted to I could push a 175 gr bullet over 3400 FPS. I hit 3394 FPS while being 1.5 gr under max. But it was a bit over pressure.
As for the 270 Winchester it is right at the top. I put the data in GRT and it's almost hitting 65k psi with that 170 gr EOL load at 2850 FPS.
Couple of weeks ago I put out a short of a 7mm PRC Fierce rifle with the 195 gr EOL going 2850 FPS. The owner of the rifle is using Retumbo and is 2 gr over max. And it shows on his brass and when we tried 3 gr over max we were blowing primers.
The truth is 7mm PRC reloaders are only getting the coveted velocities that Hornady promised by going way over pressure.
😏 Your Comming Around to My Way of Thinking Austin, So I Want to Appeal to Your Intelect With a Different Example - in Order to Make My Subsequent Point(s)! I Think We Can Both Agree That the 300 WM and 7mm RM are the 2 Most Popular Magnum Rifle Cartridges in the U.S., Even Though They Didn't Come Out Before The Weatherby Cartridges? 🤔 However, the 300 WBY Will Outperform the 300 WM (and 300 prc Too) and the 7mm WBY Will Outperform the 7mm RM (and the 7mm prc Too)! So, Why Aren't The Weatherby Cartridges More Popular?: 1.) More Recoil 2.) Less Ammunition Availability and Higher Ammunition Costs 3.) Less Rifle Options! There is a Receipt For Success and Yet Most Cartridge Developers Haven't Figured It Out Yet! 🤯 Now, Let's Look At Your Example Here and Apply Similar Logic (🕵️♂️):
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Like I said before, 7prc is just a bit larger version of the 6.5creedmoor.
Thanks for watching
Has the 7PRC replaced the 6.5CM as the cartridge of choice for man bun guy?
I don't know