My whole family believes in reincarnation and my father says he even has memories from a past life. For generations my family has been part of a movement that claims reincarnation and tries to prove it with the Bible. They say they understand the true meaning of the Bible. I've read quite a bit about the Bible and its supposed statements about reincarnation and such, but never the Bible itself. So I started reading the Bible a few weeks ago because I wanted to know more about it. But as I read the Bible, I found verses that contradicted many of my beliefs. So I read on, not trying to read anything into it, but trying to understand its true meaning. Now I'm beginning to believe the Bible as it is. But I'm still having a bit of a hard time letting go of my old beliefs, but I think it's going to take time. What I can say is that I can't stop reading the Bible and that it gives me peace
Written by hearsay only 4-8 generations after Jesus, the Bible is very garbled and imperfect. Today we know that Moses, for example, did not write the books that are assigned to him, but the priests did. ruclips.net/video/Gxr_zG03AVM/видео.html
I’m digging the format Cameron. Interesting topic. As a child (4-6ish) I was known for detailing elaborate stories about times I was a different age. I would start by saying things like, “Remember when I was 38? I lived in a tan house and had a dog named etc…etc…” I could see how easily my parents/family could have spun that if we believed in reincarnation. They could have encouraged and cultivated it to make it more extreme and then presented that as evidence for reincarnation. Looking back, the truth is I was making it all up on the spot for fun. I was extremely imaginable and still am in a lot of ways. I excelled at creative writing assignments in school. If you handed me a pen and paper right now I could write chapters on past lives I’ve had including names of friends, family, co-workers, addresses, phone numbers, specific hobbies and interests each person had and detailed descriptions of places, including buildings/cars etc. Joseph Smith who started Mormonism had a similar ability which is documented by his family members.
There is no life after death. Near death and out of body experiences is just the brain going haywire and hallucinating when it is nearly dead as there is NOT enough oxygen getting to the brain when it is shutting down. Hours later if they are NOT revived their soul will no longer function and will go kaput. When you see a dead person (a corpse) their soul is still there with their dead body but it is no longer functioning. NDEs and OBEs is sort of just a last gasp before the soul burns out. However, if the concept of an eternally inflating multiverse is correct then sooner or later an exact remake of your soul would be created from scratch in some future universe somewhere else in the eternally inflating multiverse. Cosmic inflation is where our universe expanded so rapid for a very brief moment of time at the big bang. Inflation only ended in our part of space (our bubble universe) while other regions are still inflating. Once inflation starts, it never ends, producing an infinite number of bubble universes and each bubble universe would have their own big bang event. There are new universes being created all of the time at an ever increasing rate with new big bangs occurring forever. With an infinite number of big bangs repetitions of everything are inevitable. Your exact life you have lived so far and every other possible variation of your life is being lived right now by other exact copies of you living on exact copies of this Earth in other exact copies of our universe. An exact copy of you is NOT you because it has no link of being you. It's a person that has an exact copy of your soul (not your soul), has an exact copy of your consciousness (not your consciousness) and it has an exact copy of your brain (not your brain), absolutely no information is transferred other between copies, there is no intersection between copies, they are created from scratch (not the current you being recycled) they exist independently from you and they will think that they are you. Sorry, lights out and game over when you die. Life after death impossible by Sean Carroll here ruclips.net/video/jUIjDncKZbM/видео.html and is our universe part of a multiverse here ruclips.net/video/6eaBPc_fLVs/видео.html
@@cowboycacti I changed mine after haha, My friend made me the pfp I have now, and I love it because it's a bit more personal than a lion. Hoping Maple changes his too one day, we gotta grow into our character arcs lmao
As a former Buddhist who used to strongly believe in reincarnation, studied the object, and almost got ordained to become a Buddhist nun, now I can see the flaws of this concept as a soon-to-be Christian (I'm taking RCIA class and will be converted soon to Catholic). So, let's start by sketching out the basic frame of reincarnation. According to the Buddhist doctrines, we not only reincarnate, or in other words, change our shells, from one human flesh to another human flesh, but to different types of fleshes such as animals, demons, hellish beings, heavenly beings, etc., Thus, the concept of reincarnation cannot stand because most of the time the person can only remember their lives as human but not other forms. I heard no one share their reincarnation stories like "Oh, I used to be a bird and this is the nest where I live," or "I used to live in hell and now I reincarnated back to life as a human being." If something is true, it leaves no room for any errors. If we think that we can come back to a new life from hell, we do need to seriously re-examine this concept, not even to mention that karma plays a big role in reincarnation. Whoever believes or studies karma will see how contradictory it is to free will, which is barely taught in the religions that nurture the reincarnation concept.
You don't really have to believe in reincarnation or supernatural karma to be buddhist. Karma just means action anyway and it's always good to do actions that helps us and those who we care about. Buddha's message was to use dharma as a boat to cross the ocean of suffering and after that to leave the boat. Even believing in God can be a skillful way of overcoming our suffering. I was born as theravada buddhist but now concider myself just dharmic with hindu, buddhist and sufi interests. If you feel like catholicism is the right thing for you, I wish you well. It'll be nice if you read other religions too like eastern orthodox christianity(I love the concept of theosis), early christianity and gnosticism, eastern nesotorian christianity, sufism and islam, canaanite and old west asian religions, old indo-european religions, native african, native east and south east asian religions and other native religions, other forms of buddhism, hinduism and shramana religions etc. Coming from a buddhist background, sutras such as kalama sutra can be very freeing in my opinion. So always carry a bit of the good side of buddhism with you too which ever shore you end up. Hope it helps...Good luck on your journey❤
If you do want to end up the shore where there is everlasting life and peace though, just consider Jesus Christ. Nothing else needed. No more trying. Succes guaranteed. He already paid the price.
@@acordilia Hm, seems like it's a comment directed at my reply. I mean you are assuming that everyone wants everlasting life. I come from a buddhist culture originally. Buddhists don't want everlasting life, nirvana means complete annihilation. Samsara itself is everlasting life, so they wanna end it. If Christianity is what's good for you OK so. Even then which form of it? Orthodox? Catholic? Protestant? Jehova's witness? Later day saints (mormon)? Anabaptist/amish? Other kind of modern christianity? I mean you don't have to study all these religions, I'm just saying it's better at least for me to try and understand a bit about other religions too. I mean that's what buddha did too. He went in search of the truth (Kim saccha gavesi, kim kusala gavesi/ journey to find what is the truth/ what is what's skillful). I'm assuming you were born in a Christian family (I maybe wrong). What if you were born in a buddhist family like me, you wouldn't be even learning about christianity too deeply if done even a bit. If one of your ancestors didn't at least try to learn and embrace something new, you would have been a Pagan today and saying something about a native pagan god now except about Jesus/Yeshua.
The moment someone starts talking about "hell", I tune out. LOG is trading a not-so-bad religion (Buddhism) for a terrible one (Christianity). Neither is true.
The explanation at the end about Morphic Resonance! That is pretty cool! Sometimes I’ve heard, clearly heard music in my head! Like I’m not imagining things, it is more like tuning to a radio and listening to clear music that I’ve never heard before! Great topic by the way!
@James Palmer2 interesting thought, I like how sound produces patterns in sand, I think its called cymatics? And how the microcosmos is like a fractal of the macrocosmos. And how there are cycles everywhere. I don’t believe consciousness ceases to exist at death, or that consciousness is an effect of the accumulation of particles in a certain orderly pattern. On the contrary, I believe that it transcends matter, and the accumulation of orderly particles is the effect of consciousness. More like the observer effect. Is there any physics experiment or something showing that matter might be arranged exactly the same to produce an exact copy of myself somewhere in the Universe? Sounds like a pretty cool theory! I think the arrangement of particles in the universe follows more like Pi, 3.1416 ad infinitum, no copy but uniqueness. Probably the memory on children might be due to the effects of the previously alive consciousness that left an effect on matter before passing away, and the memory on the child might be the child’s brain tuning into that, like a transformer using electromagnetic induction. Or aliens!
An economist pointed out that because of how popularized super size me documentary became, it made McDonalds try to offer healthier options as they were under heavy scrutiny. Point is, researchers like Stephenson and tucker who do fringe research that ppl laugh at are trying to do real scholarly work that will be taken seriously because they really believe in it. They actually have to go above and beyond what evidence normal research requires because they know theyll be scrutinized that much more. I too would like to see how tucker responds to claims that seem to dismiss his evidence by seemingly saying there's little control and validation.
I am watching this. Many of Tucker's and Stevenson's families did not have a pre-existing belief in reincarnation. I have read their work extensively. So, there is your first factual inaccuracy.
Morphic resonance is the explanation of specific behavior of a specific species, if you say how do babies learn to walk or speak or cry that can be explained through that, but specific memory or detailed information of one specific dead person's life can't be Morphic resonance
@@can_do_nz2272 one judgement--> 11¶And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
@@davidcrane6593 thanks for the reply. That judgement is actually labeled by John as 'the last judgement'. It was interesting some time back when I looked a little into it and the views from some mainstream christian narratives. For example catholic 1x, eastern orthodox 2x and if I recall correctly some up to 7x. (Unfortunately I cannot find my notes, will keep looking). As per Heb 9 when Christ died he was judged obviously before he rose again within 3 days. cheers
@@can_do_nz2272 Christ(God The Son) is the Judge. Revelation 19:11 KJV - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
This guy really hasn't read good material, despite referencing it. The case of James Leininger alone is one good example that stands up to his scrutiny.
James Leininger's story is made up by the parents and influenced by a therapist they had used to influence their son to make up the stories, there are so many inconsistencies in the story it's shocking you'd use that as an argument for reincarnation
Morphic resonance is fascinating, since it illuminates a starting point for understanding why, when people reincarnate, they don't reincarnate as beings living hundreds of light-years away.
I don't know anything about Sheldrake, but his notion of Morphic Resonance sounds like a form of panpsychism, which I know has some proponents among philosophers. Also, I don't find the arguments for reincarnation very compelling. It seems most of it could also be explained by something like Jung's collective unconscious rather than reincarnation. Not that I ascribe to either, but the former seems as equally feasible as the latter.
Sheldrake would be a panpsychist of sorts. Bergsonian would probably be the most specific and accurate term. I'll offer quite a few metaphysical alternatives in the actual debate with Arjuna, so be sure to tune in! Not Jungian ideas, per se, because Jung believed the collective unconscious manifested uniquely in each culture--a universal with many particular instantiations, whereas the "evidence" on offer is far too specific to easily fit in with Jung (such as exact place names and events). There is, however, something quite similar to what I believe your comment alludes to that I will mention, so you'll probably find that interesting (no spoilers, though).
This is absolutely fascinating! I saw a Netflix special about children supposedly remembering past lives and it was quite compelling. But it leaves out the confirmation bias of the parents and some of the researchers. I came here because I wanted to hear skeptical arguments on reincarnation and you guys delivered. sometimes I think I'm kind of a buzzkill because I'm more interested in skepticism than I am the original topic.
If children remembering their past life is true then the should also remember their state after their death and before their next birth..where were they what did they do, how they existed, in what form, the entire journey Into the new rebirth...but none of the children were able to say anythjng about that realm and state .. so reincarnation doesn't seem to have been proven ..
@@calebmurdock2028 if you remember what you ate for breakfast ..you'd surely remember what you had for lunch...cuz lunch comes after breakfast and is more recent compred to the breakfast which you had in the morning .its nothing lkke "that that that.that that"..when you can remember the past life ..which is before the state of existence in spiritual realm..so you'd definitely remember what you were in the spiritual realm before getting into the current birth..because the exiatence in the spiritual realm is more recent than the previous birth ..if one remember the past life then its even more easier and possible to remmber the life after death after the past life .. . so rebirth isn't proven yet for sure ..since none of them.claiming to have remembered past life could.remmber anything about their state in between two lives ...
Although there are COUNTLESS studies of children at young ages, who then prove things even the parents didn't know. And this morphing? thing is not making sense to me.
You should have also discussed the idea of involvement of demons letting them speak about things, palaces and people they never seen/been. Demons do play an important role in such ideologies, too.
@@st.mephisto8564 Science is good but not all-knowing. Metaphysical concepts are beyond Science. BTW, no one here claimed anything about reincarnation being Scientific or anti-Science. So why are you getting angry at my comment?
@@noconversion Because the approach taken in the video was scientific one, as it should. Purely on the grounds of science, Reincarnation is no more improbable than Resurrection. Metaphysically anything is possible.
Brahman Priests in India for thousands of years have invoked departed souls into themselves so the families of the departed can ask the soul questions and feed them... Rebirth is a universal spiritual law and beyond all religious dogmas. When the soul takes birth, it's no longer possible for it to incarnate into a priests because a new chapter for the soul has begun.
yes according to Hinduism ghosts and spirits realm in near earthly realm.in this realm great saints and sadhakas resides just like jesus,Sai Baba, devarah Baba, pret Maharaj and many others .they have established their kingdom here but they are not free from cycle of birth and death 😊
I grew up not knowing about the idea of reincarnation until I was older. My mother was a Christian and my father was an atheist. Why then, at age 2, did I speak of my other mother who I missed? Who I watched be buried in the paddock in the rain? I was even able to point out her house (which we later found out did belong to some ancestors). As a Christian myself, I find this very confusing. I can't remember these memories, but multiple people have confirmed the tale.
Maybe reincarnation is true and the version of our beliefs as we have them today has been created for us by individuals of influence who lived thousands of years ago.
You cant get any more proof than a very young little Indian girl who knew she lived in a village five hundred miles away , knew the family surname , her parents names, her husbands name and her siblings names.Or the little boy who recalled his address in Italy and that he was a mechanic and when they checked , the tools were still at that address , Or a woman who claimed she was an egyptian princess who gave the location of a secret passage to a garden even the archeologists didnt know about , but there it was. To be a sceptic is just dumb. theres more than enough proof. I havent even touched a fraction of it. One only has to spend a few hours listening to NDE videos and reincarnation videos to see our true existence.
@@noconversion Resurrection really doesn't have enough evidence. Read Ehrman or Carrier. All you have is stories like all other miracles of other religions. 4 anonymous writings of seeing Jesus alive again written 30 to 90 years afterwards in fragments not even in the original language and each writings don't even say, "I saw Jesus alive again..." in some form. Even Habermas agrees with this. I suppose you can take it on faith, but you can justify anything on faith.
@@gabrielteo3636 That's why I requested you to read Gary Habermas. You don't know how to reconcile the truth about the eye witness accounts and when were their testimony recorded.
@@noconversion The bottom line is the 4 Gospels are anonymous 2nd or 3rd hand accounts. The resurrection is no more plausible than the moon being split for a few minutes, because the evidence is just some people wrote some people saw it thousands of yeas ago. I have a feeling you think the Holy Spirit has done something in you to make the evidence of the resurrection true to you. I have not had or I don't realize the Holy Spirit has done anything in me yet. Am I justified in thinking the resurrection is just a myth? If you have not had the Holy Spirit do whatever it does to people, would you believe these stories?
@@gabrielteo3636 Carrier???? LOL You do understand that almost nobody in the entire field of history takes him seriously, right? He's the biggest quack. Ehrman literally thinks his views are quackery, writes about it all the time and doesn't think that people who do the poor quality quack work that Carrier does are even qualified to be employeed (and he openly writes this). If you look at what mainstream biblical historians, from atheist to fundamentalist, there's a lot of evidence for the resurrection (the atheists just interpret that evidence to different conclusions like mass hallucinations or that Jesus survived the crucifix). You have no idea what you're saying, and trans-dimensional aliens and magical fairies and spirit animals make you sound ignorant.
The only reason to debunk it in the face of all the evidence is indoctrination and fear of letting go of old beliefs which is understandable since the religion as a whole seems to reject it due to the early councils removing it as an answer. If the evidence is astounding which it is.. maybe it's time to reconsider the old doctrines as possibly being wrong. The first thing you learn in biblical scholarship is how it was all edited by multiple people over time. When you open to the idea it validates most religions and makes your own phenomenally deeper because now you really can compare and contrast with others to get to the truth.
I appreciate the question! It's a good one. I'm not a NT scholar, but I may have a helpful response. I can't speak to the Gospels as a whole. I can only speak to the basic claim that Jesus was killed, buried, and resurrected. If I remember correctly, according to most NT scholars, this basic claim was being preached within six months to two years after Jesus's death. I may be misremembering, though. Hope that helps!
@@davidhinson6302 Sure! No prob. After posting my comment, I checked Gary Habermas's _The Historical Jesus: Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ_---specifically, the 1996 edition. Here are some paragraphs from pp. 153--4. For clarity, I omit his footnotes: "In 1 Corinthians 15:3--4, Paul states: 'For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures' (RSV). As the passage continues, Paul records appearances of the resurrected Christ to Peter, to the 'twelve' disciples, to over 500 persons at one time, to James, to all of the apostles and then to Paul himself (vv. 5--8). That this confession is an early Christian, pre-Pauline creed is recognized by virtually all critical scholars across a very wide theological spectrum. * * * How early is this creed? Numerous critical theologians have endeavored to answer this important question, with very striking results. Ulrich Wilckens asserts that this creed 'indubitably goes back to the oldest phase of all in the history of primitive Christianity.' Joachim Jeremias calls it 'the earliest tradition of all.' Concerning a more exact time, it is very popular to date this creed in the mid AD 30s. More specifically, numerous critical theologians date it from three to eight years after Jesus' crucifixion." So it seems I misremembered the exact dates. Still, I hope this citation helps! If you want more Gary Habermas, check out this video: ruclips.net/video/ay_Db4RwZ_M/видео.html
Yes that's true, but the 25,000 plus manuscripts prove the bible was translated 99% correctly from hebrew to greek to English. We also have (I've heard haven't looked into it personally) that there are over 1 million writings from on and about the gospels from the church fathers themselves so the entire Bible can practically be recreated almost perfectly based on those alone even without the manuscripts. So then all you have to is see if the translations are accurate and they most definitely are. Next we have archaeological evidences. I mean... Overwhelming, mountains of archaeological evidences constantly being found, confirming that the old and new testament weren't just fairy tails but actual history. Combine that with how the old testament prophets, Jesus Christ and the apostles all managed to predict 2000 plus years of human history, hundreds of actual historical events like the fall of many nations such as ancient Babylon, Alexander the great, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, and many many many SPECIFIC historical events... I think the evidences point towards 3 things. 1. The Bible is 99% accurately translated. 2. The Bible isn't a fairy tale, its a history book with many of the events and individuals withing old testament and new testament such as king David and Jesus, moses, the apostles and more.. Have actually happend. And 3. Since the bible has consistently predicted our future, unless the old testament prophets, John the baptist, Jesus Christ and the apostles all had time machines, we can conclude that The bible is in fact The inspired Word of God. Amen
@@moremusic868 Show me one legitimate prediction that is extremely clear and that can’t be well argued to have been written after the fact. By extension you have to produce a manuscript of the prophecy that predates the event and can be conclusively shown to have preceded the event and not latter added or redacted to look like a true prediction. It must contain very exact details and completely have been fulfilled in one time period unambiguously. From what I’ve found, it is objectively the case that the Bible has failed predictions. So your thesis is highly debatable. Let the discussion begin.
Gospel times were a time where minorities of people had writing literacy skills, meaning it was a completely different way of recording data- also, there are thousands of accounts of Jesus. In a study like the one discussed, it’s not just telling of a story that people experienced, but a study in a literate population in which it’s flawed to wait 10 years to record. As well, it’s only one person reporting this. I think the contexts are important to note!
Re Morphic resonance. The reincarnation hypothesis appears to me to explain all the evidence, so I cannot understand this claim that morphic resonance explains more of the evidence. It's an outlandish hypothesis. It is being assumed that the evidence is sound. But, that being so, given that the child remembers the details of the past life that largely check out when investigated. Has an emotional identity with the deceased person. Has possibly got a birthmark corresponding to the location of the wound that killed the previous person. Then it seems to me it is utterly preposterous to favour the morphic resonance "explanation".
There might be many other "supernatural" alternative hypotheses, but they all suffer from the same problem as morphic resonance, namely they are all outlandish.
Sirs, reincarnation is a basic belief in hinduism, and buddhism. Beliefs in general have lots of uncertainties as well as speculation, and reincarnation is no exception.
The biologist this guy named, Rupert Sheldrake, is himself inspired by Hinduism. He worked as a plant biologist in India for 5 years where he came under the influence of Hindu philosophy. And his theory doesn't contradict reincarnation, rather it strengthens it. Reincarnation is the grand explanation, and morphic resonance may be a specific case of it to explain the phenomenon it aims to describe.
There is coding and everybody's DNA. You're simply getting memories that are inside your DNA from your past ancestors. There's no such thing as reincarnation. Otherwise Jesus would have set the example and have come back numerous times by now in reincarnation. His whole point of dying for us would have been mute if we can just keep coming back and back and back.
Nice,You got a point! But i have a Question! You know the eastern religion like hinduism,Buddism,shikhism,Jainism believes in reincarnation[Rebirth]. But i believe there is only one life,After we die there will be judgement day! Can you please give me some point Why rebirth is logically impossible?
you're just explaining it on bases of religion tho? if memories of ancestors were in your dna then how come cases are appearing from people who are not even related to each other is there another explanation of it then?
We have enough good case studies to accept that some children have the memories of dead people, as so the interesting part today is to say the phenomenon is real, how do we explain it? And the truth is that today with our knowledge we do not know, there are only theories we need to explore further. But the time where we said "these things do not really happen" should be over. Going over the bad science is just a wast of time when there is enough good to go around. Because we have a lot of these enigmas today, things we now know is real but have no explanation for we are at a very interesting time in science. When we do not know, we only have questions and still no solutions, that is when the great breakthroughs in knowledge comes. Our old way of explaining humans and human consciousness is no longer fitting. But why is this video called reincarnation debunked? Having critical questions is not debunking. Having critical questions is an important part of fact finding, but to be debunked we need to have evidence against something. There is nothing of that sort in this video.
@@eddiespiked You and I and everyone else might come up with all kinds of theories. That is all we have today, theories, ideas and suggestions. Some might be stronger than others, some might seem riddiculous, but the truth is we do not know. And none of it is close to being proven, not reincarnation, not possession nor any other option. 120 years ago people were trying to study phenomena like this, but western science made a shift where they stopped studying it almost all together, exept from very few people.
Reincarnation is contrary to Christian doctrine which says, we die once and then the judgement. Also, the person is not inside a body according to Chistian doctrine, we are body and spirit together. The spirit is given by God in the womb, and returns to God at death, it is not that the person returns to God, what returns to God is the spirit of the person. So, there has to be a different reason why someone may think they have lived before. Ecclesiastes 12:7.
What is the spirit? and what is the body? A person is the 'joining' of a body & spirit. If we think of a computer it is made up of hardware and software. The hardware alone is basically lifeless but when you add the software it becomes a functioning unit. Now apply it to a person. The body is lifeless without the spirit. The spirit contains the character and personality. Together a person is born that is now influenced by firstly by the body it sex, colour, abilities/disabilities, secondly by its environment, culture, religion and education. So when you read Luke 1:17, And he will go on before the Lord in the spirit and power of Elijah. This talks of John the Baptist. The body was John but the spirit was Elijah and the power was the Holy Spirit and together it was John the Baptist. emperor
@@can_do_nz2272 John the baptizer's spirit was not Elijah, the person is not the spirit the person is both spirit and body. When we die our spirits go to God, we do not go to God, we have been divided at death. At the resurrection, we are put together and become a person again.
@@fcastellanos57 So Christ was a liar? in Mathew 11:14: And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. Mathew 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist. Immediately following the transfiguration in Mark 9;11-13. Then of course there is 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Seems to me that flies in the face of your narrative. Christians need to put aside and come out from under what was decreed by a roman emperor in AD 545. To continue under it one is bound to Catholicism and all of its mistakes. Anyway it would appear we will not agree on much.
@@can_do_nz2272m, No, Jesus was not a liar, just because we do not understand His words or what he meant does not make him a liar. Reincarnation is not a Biblical doctrine. You may want to consult some sources to see what they have to say concerning this passage. Jesus often spoke in figurative language; we have to be mindful of that, 2 Corinthians 5:1-10 talks about the resurrection, no problem with that, we die and then we will be resurrected, that's Paul teachings. .
The original writings do talk about what we might call reincarnation. It never mentioned hell and plenty of other differences that were not around till long after they were written.
Well, i'm afraid to die. but when i search DEBUNKING REINCARNATION it said "A soul's person will leave into ANOTHER BODY to restart the new life" IM STILL SCARED TO DIE.
Many of us don’t want these memories- or at least me- its like trauma flashbacks of a life that wasn’t mine but i feel more emotional attachment to my “previous life” than now. Its like a sudden download of sensibilities of the early 1900s.
Some of my experiences have led me to believe I know two past lives. There's some people in this life from them. Who i think is my past life husband kept his first name from past life, but it's his last name now. Do you think putin is admiral Jose de ribas?
Early Christianity believed in reincarnation. However, in the 6th century, the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian I managed to declare reincarnation a heresy and imprisoned Pope Vigilius, who supported this belief at the time. He also began to remove reincarnation from the Bible. Scholars speculate that the primary reason for rejecting reincarnation was the fear that it would undermine the significance of Christ’s redemption and reduce the church’s revenue from the unity of state and church. --Light of Wisdom Church 《Primitive Christianity Believed in Reincarnation》
I had past life memories as a child in the form of night terrors. Then recently I started having dreams that made more sense about things I’ve never seen or heard of. The most interesting thing was something called a “steam wagon.” I was riding on one and then I knew what it was called when I googled it. There’s a lot more but this is a youtube comment so…
The Bible tells us that in the end times people will receive visions from fallen angels to lead them astray. Visions or dreams filled with anything they want. Doesn't have to be anything you've seen before.
Seth Hart says that recounting events years or decades after they have happened, especially when those events are extraordinary and the narrators are willing to give them a certain interpretation, makes him skeptical about their veracity. He does not distinguish irony! LOL
As a Christian , this definitely shows his bias against the idea of reincarnation. If someone used the same arguments against Christianity, he would be defending against them instead of supporting them.
@James Palmer2 My comment pointed to the irony of having different criteria when analyzing improbable history. No. There is not a single reason to suppose that inflation extends infinitely, backwards, in time. That also does not imply that something came out of nowhere. It is the religious interpretation that affirms, without any support, that God created everything from nothing. The idea of the multiverse, inflation, infinite regression, etc., have nothing to do with the position of affirming without the slightest doubt that Jesus was resurrected.
With all due respect, this is a little disappointing. There aren’t any specific examples of what you were discussing in Jim Tucker’s research. You were pretty vague and mentioned issues with one case out of the literal thousands his department has researched. Morphic resonance is officially classified as pseudoscience and comes from a new age philosopher but you present it as though it’s from an actual respected scientist. Lastly, you don’t account for the numerous stories from Carol Bowman and Jim Tucker where the names ARE accurate, the places ARE confirmed, and the stories are not 10 years into the future. A great example on youtube is James Leineger, a boy from a family that did not believe in reincarnation. As a PS, most but by no means all cases are from outside the US. However, “children say the darndest things” is a saying for a reason. There’s even a crowdsourced reddit thread on some mysterious things people’s kids have said regarding potential past lives.
So you don’t believe reincarnation because the evidence is insufficient and yet you still believe in a talking snake, magic fruit, 800 year old men, giants, virgin birth, demon pigs, walking on water, talking donkey etc all with zero evidence! Seems rather inconsistent, don’t you think ? 😂
There's actually plenty of evidence. But you're not open to hearing about it. But if you want to look up something cool just Google even here on RUclips Bones of giants. There's plenty of archaeological evidence of skeletons that have been Unearthed that are much bigger than us.
@@e.witover4222 If those photos were really true, every major news station would be covering it... and yet none are. Why? But even if they were real, would you take these as proof that the ancient Greek gods are real because their mythology speaks about giants. No you wouldn't. So why do you expect me you accept the same as proof of your mythology. Learn some critical thinking skills, kid
He says the likelihood of reincarnation becomes diminishingly small when we take into account his objections to the evidence and alternatively "supernatural" hypotheses. Clearly not. Even if his objections to the evidence are compelling (which they emphatically are not and which I will argue against in due course), one would have to start with the premise that reincarnation is a priori highly unlikely. Where is his argument for this?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that "bookshelves" was a unit of measurement? What nonsense. How many papers were written? What's the number? The time span?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the claim was made that "bookshelves" was a unit of measurement? What nonsense. If you're so curious about the subject, you can look up books and papers yourself, and spare us the heckling of your personal incredulity; the speaker dropped a few names, like Stevenson and Tucker; that, and a short trip thru Google (Scholar), should provide enough of a headstart, if you do care about the topic.
This guy set up a nice straw man and also conveys a rather weak response for his skepticism. Ian Stevenson was actually remarkably meticulous. And why in the world should it be important if there is reincarnation or not from a Christian point of view ?!
Well its either reincarnation is true or not on the other hand eternal Damnation is not a fair call either,if I had a choice which to to choose from I'd pick the first one.
@@fumarate1 I don’t believe in eternal damnation. Unlike reincarnation which could test alleged reincarnations through verifying information which could not have been acquired otherwise, eternal damnation is merely Christian belief.
There is 2 kind of reincarnation theories: Hindu ( wrong )and Judaism ( possibly right ) . In Judaism e.g Zohar teaches this. Souls are with God in eternity. If there is something they need to fix in their soul ( Tikkun ) they come back to finish the task. Also angel may come to souls asking volunteer to do some mission. Also spouse can be sended to help him/her ( souls have their half ) What about Israel, all who died in camps without knowing Jesus. one passage in the bible : when diciples asked Jesus about grippled man did he sin or his parrents that he needed to born like this. How could have he sin if he wasnt born yet? And Jesus answered no he didnt sin.
@@namanarya1288 Luk. 11.20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. - Jesus there is 2 kingdoms, kingdom of darknes and light. but its not duality. There is Creator God and evil has hold on the earth and so it looks big for that reason but devil is created being that is fallen. When Jesus of Nazareth came to this world something extraordinary happened: demons/unclean spirits started to manifest and cry out and Jesus could cast them out with word. Its meanining there is false Matrix (matrixes)and evil spirits are binding people and fooling them to different believes. Jesus was God incarnated so he was sinnles and he had power over these enteties. you cant see this in any other religion. This is prove on what Bible states that the devil is ( was ) ruler of this world, and still through sin he has power on earth. Act. 10.38 _God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and _*_healing all that were oppressed of the devil_*_ for God was with him. 40 _*_Him God raised up the third day_*_ , and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead_ Matt. 8.28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
While not mentioned in the bible, reincarnation of a restricted form seems to be compatible with Christianity. Assuming life starts at conception, I don't see why the soul of a fetus that is miscarried or dies before forming genitalia could not be reincarnated into a the same or a new womb. I'm not saying it is true but I don't think it contradicts anything in christian teaching.
"Assuming life starts at conception [...] reincarnated into a the same or a new womb" You literally contradicted yourself; if life starts _at conception_ , it wouldn't be starting if it had already begun before, would it? You can try and salvage this by saying it's only the conception part that matters, but not only you'd have trouble with the metaphysics of souls, you'd be slipping into the heresy of "origenism" (look it up)
@@thstroyur I don't know, but I would take a crack at it. Anything that can challenge the cohesion of a closed belief system? Difference of opinion leads to dogmatic chaos and dogmatic chaos harms cohesion in the church as one body. That would be my guess.
@@st.mephisto8564 "Anything that can challenge the cohesion of a closed belief system" Problem is - _who_ decides what the "closed belief system" is, without begging the question here? In Catholicism, the _Magisterium_ handles that issue by establishing dogma grounded in historical sources - such as the Council you mentioned; heresy, therefore, is that which contradicts such theological dogmas in topics like Christ's nature, etc. Move, then, to other Christians, and even non-Christians: who has the authority to define what's heresy and what isn't? This alone, to me, already discredits Protestantism and, to a large extent, Eastern Orthodoxy: even before entertaining Origenism as a proposition per se, we can't even say it's 'orthodox' or not, because there is no standard to guide us - just like there is no standard against or for, say, Arianism or Docetism...
James 3 6 and the tongue of fire passage that affects the "course of life", the greek phrase trochós génnisis means "wheel of birth", James is talking about the many life cycles one goes through. translaters today can translate this to not support reincarnation, which is exactly what they do, but the problem is if you go back 2k years to how the phrase was used, it was only used in reference to life cycles. good luck explaining that away.
That would be a version of personal identity that materialism would seem to imply. Those who believe in reincarnation have the commonsensical conception of personal identity. One's memories are not constitutive of a person, otherwise that person would literally cease to exist constantly, since our memories change constantly. Of course, materialists bite the bullet here and accept this. But not a person who subscribes to an afterlife.
I would hope your upcoming topic delving further into reincarnation takes into consideration the thoughts and belief structures from a Judaism point of view. So many topics that are presented from a so called Christian point of view only mix in the Dharmic concepts in the attempt to 'debunk' it. Pointless as the only thing that is debunked is the attempted argument.
@James Palmer2 So it all begins with 'inflation'. Then your definition of the laws surrounding it. One would have to accept that to begin with. Nah. Why don't you begin with looking around at creation, its balance, its beauty and how you fit into it? Then look at your self and men around you . I am sure you will see the fault of oneself and those around you. Then with a contrite heart ask and see that God reveal himself to you. There you will find truth.
There is a meaning of “we are all in Christ” and “body of Christ.” When we remember past lives or experience deja vu, it’s not because those lives were “our” lives, but rather, a glitch in the matrix. Think of Christ like the Matrix. We are ALL connected in Him and we all die and return to the same source.
that is not biblical at all, and that is not at all what it means to be in Christ. Jesus is not a matrix, he is a person, the second person of the trinity. also, deja vu is not recalling someone else's memories lol. it occurs when you are in a situation similar to one you have been in before.
@@jackplumbridge2704 No disrespect, but I don’t think you’re learned enough to debate me on Biblical metaphysics. You don’t even know what you’re saying when you say “person.” We are all connected through Christ. He is the vine and we are the fruit. If you can tell me why the rainbow surrounding the throne of God is green and what the rainbow actually is, then we can have a discussion. If not, you aren’t ready yet.
@@ghostgate82 you don't know anything about biblical metaphysics. of course i know what a person is. you don't. a person is an individual with certain attributes, such as a rational mind and free will. a matrix is not a person. the fact that you think rainbows have anything to do with the definition of a person is laughable. ill wait for you to provide any biblical citation that Jesus is a matrix.
@@jackplumbridge2704 “Matrix” is a metaphor, since you don’t seem to get that. Christ “became” flesh, meaning He was ontologically different before that. This entire universe is “the Matrix.” We are but “bacteria” in a much larger fractal machine. You are a heart cell that knows nothing of the other cells in the body and seemingly recoil at the very mention of them. And no, I don’t think rainbows have anything to do with personhood, but the reason the rainbow surrounding the throne is green and what it represents is a litmus test to your overall understanding of the hidden things of scripture. It’s easy to parrot what you’ve heard sitting in a pew, but it’s hard to actually thoroughly articulate the wisdom of scripture.
Can you define what you mean by Christ is the Matrix? And I'd say that ALL humanity isn't connected to Christ spiritually yet he is in so far as our humanity and him coming to die for the redemption of humanity.
I didn't believe in reincarnation in my last life either. ''Condemnation w/o investigation is the height of ignorance.'' - Albert Einstein. Life is a school and if you haven't learned to love like Jesus, you have to come back and try again and yet again until you do. How do suppose an individual becomes saint? Only after many, many, many lives as a sinner! 😶 😇
The unknown ppl writing about the "resurrection" was probably not even born when it´s supposed to´ve happened... And "Jesus" wasn´t even mentioned until at least 15 years after his death... Yeah, it´s a bad fantasy at best...
Some simple math also throws cold water on the idea of past lives, if each person has a soul or spirit that moves through time between generations and centuries. The best estimate is that there are currently nearly 7 billion people on earth, yet around 1800 there were fewer than 1 billion living people. Where did the "new" 6 billion souls come from during the past 200 years? Did people during our great-great grandfathers' time each have six souls inside them? (And, of course, if people's memories of past lives are accurate, it's puzzling how more than one person can claim to have been famous figures like Jesus, Marilyn Monroe, and Napoleon.)
Hi Cameron, Please make a video about the Smithsonian saying this: " After the death of Jesus of Nazareth, his followers fled. Tradition tells us that James went to Spain" I think they might've missed an important detail between those two pieces of information!
It is also interesting to consider all the scientific research on parapsychology (alleged phenomena like telepathy) which has been undertaken. Not many people know about it, but it is fascinating to look at.
@@justsomeguywhoisntdead1158 They spent the first minute lauding "the scientific research for reincarnation...good (implying true) research....children with past life experiences...." Yada Yada.
Hi. Good show, but anecdotal evidence like "past memories" has never been sufficient to prove reincarnation. Children are subject to the power of suggestion, and others are often just attention seekers. The "past memories" path a distraction from more important issues. Are our memories part of our physical body only, and don't reincarnate with our spirits? Maybe it's our potential to be aware, our consciousness, which science has no explanation for, that reincarnates? The church's offered alternative of heaven and hell is equally unclear. Why would a God of infinite wisdom and compassion waste his potential to be a "wonderful counsellor" by only giving himself just the two grossly unsubtle options of what to do with people after they die, heaven or hell? Reincarnation would allow him to use his creativity to see each person as "a work in progress" if he so chose, to be improved over successive lifetimes. It's a bit like having the most powerful supercomputer in the universe, and then using it to play noughts and crosses. For eternity. That would be hell for God and is far too simplistic to be the truth. Cheers, P.R.
@@Cosmicmorales The Bible says in Hebrews 9 : 27 " and just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment". The mind can be manipulated by humans to erase and create memories.... science shows us. A woman who was demon possessed had claimed to have visited Jupiter or Saturn in a past life and had details unknown to man that were verified by one of the satellite missions.... showing us how demons can provide knowledge we did not experience or learn. Books and songs have been written through channeling spirits... or demonic possession. Mediums don't call upon the dead humans but demons impersonate them and provide information that fools the common man. Memory can be manipulated and isn't reliable evidence for reincarnation when there is another plausible possibility.
Since you don't believe in reincarnation, then God is indeed the God of the dead. Just think about it? Since you believe Jesus resurrected, doesn't that tell you that there is reincarnation? After all, Jesud was "DEAD". Then rose 3 days later. But again, since you don't believe in reincarnation, where was Jesus before he was resurrected?
@@Devious_Dave "It's only a snide comment when you want to dismiss it" - which is _exactly_ what the OP is doing, here. The speaker didn't bring up Sheldrake because of the excellency of his explanation (which I, too, care nothing about, as a chemist), but because it is a competitor to the reincarnation camp's claims; as for Ham, well, it is more of that snidery: Ham is a "crackpot" primarily because he supports YEC - which, regardless of the quality of whatever arguments he may forward in defense of it, was already long condemned to contempt in the secular tribunal of public opinion without recourse to appeal
the worse debunk ive ever seen lol .. past lives are real .. we arent just little pices of trash cmon now .. we are the uniuverse experincing humans not humas experiencing the universe we are much nmore powerfull then religion plays out to be
🐟 09. REINCARNATION (OR NOT): Just as there is NOTHING about an individual person (neither any particle of matter, nor any mental object whatsoever) that remains intact from conception till death, there is NOTHING about the individual person (that is, the “ego”, as defined in the following chapter) that transfers to another body after death, except, perhaps, habitual tendencies in the form of indelible mental impressions (“vāsanā”, in Sanskrit). For example, in my present incarnation, I have a strong affinity for the culture of Bhārata (India), a highly-advanced intellectual capacity, a very slim body, and an attraction to a frugivorous diet. That suggests there was an Indian spiritual master in the previous century who had some (or perhaps, even all) of these characteristics, but it was not “ME”, since what I am now is this ever-mutable Australian-born Aryan gentleman. These “subtle mind impressions” are known in psychology as the “collective unconscious”, in new-age spirituality as the “akashic records”, and in Islam as the “Preserved Tablet”. There is an abundance of evidence that humans are born with certain psycho-emotive links to previous persons, times and places. It is far beyond the purview of this document to list such evidences. As mentioned, in my case, I have an EXTREMELY strong association with all things Indian, despite not being of Indian origin, and the “collective unconscious” hypothesis seems to be the best explanation for this bond currently available, in my opinion (although the term “collective conscious” would, perhaps, be more accurate). For the popular view of reincarnation to be plausible, there would need to be an entity or an OBJECT called a “soul” (“jīva” or “ātman”, in Sanskrit), which somehow finds a copulating couple, then enters the woman’s uterus, to inhabit a zygote. Assuming the existence of an individual spiritual soul is profoundly illogical, because spirit is (by most definitions) the antithesis of finite matter. Therefore, how can an immaterial “soul” be confined to a single person’s body? It seems rather strange to believe that the universe was organized naturalistically in such a manner as to recycle an object called a “soul”, or even to recycle minds, particularly when one understands that a mind is naught but a series of flickering thoughts, feelings, images, and memories. Some believe that the “thing” that transfers to the next incarnation are the remnants of one's actions (“vāsanā” or “saṃskāra”, in Sanskrit) or at least one's psychological disposition (likes, dislikes, phobias, etcetera). This is far closer to the idea of the collective unconscious, and even if it is a perfectly accurate account of what occurs after death, it still cannot give substance to the notion of a SEPARATE individual who is travelling from one body to another and again to another (“saṃsāra”, in Sanskrit). According to the law of conservation of energy, first proposed and tested by Émilie du Châtelet, energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. Both this law, and Dr. Leonard Susskind's minus-first law of physics, states that energy/information is indestructible. Since humans are composed of matter and energy, both the gross matter and the psychic energy of which we are composed, is not extinguished at the time of bodily demise. The analogy of one candle being lit by another candle is apt. Are the two flames the same flame or completely different flames? According to those laws, PART of the energy is transferred from one wick to the other wick, a portion of the energy is released by the flame, and part of the energy remains with the original candle. Regarding reincarnation, a rather appropriate analogy could be that of a whirlpool in a stream of liquid. A whirlpool is a definite form within a river but, just like the human form itself, it is never static. Some water molecules that were once swirling within one whirlpool may move farther downstream, mix with other water particles, and form a new, distinct whirlpool. So, in my particular case, it is eminently possible that a vast amount of “Indian energy” was transferred to my psyche from one or more persons from Bhārata (the proper name of the country), plus the addition of genetic matter from my Persian parents and their Aryan heritage. The fact that BOTH Iranians and North Indians are Aryan seems to add further credence to my hypothesis, even if to a small degree. Of course, there is no conclusive proof for such types of claims at this stage in human history, but the evidence is certainly extant, and as mentioned, the profusion of evidence available goes far beyond the purview of this document. One ought to do one's own thorough research into the matter, rather than relying on anecdotal testimonies. There are several well-documented books and videos published on the subject. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that my essential nature has NOT transferred from one body to another body, because I have fully understood and realized, by practicing the four systems of yoga/religion described in Chapter 16, that my true nature is Brahman (see Chapters 06 & 10 to learn of the Real Self). There is no such thing as a “soul” or “spirit”, unless, of course, one defines those words to mean the subject (that is, the observer of all temporal phenomena), and logically, the subject cannot be an object, at least in the transactional sphere. When I die, my physical body, composed of the five gross material elements (“sthūla-śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will be reabsorbed into the biosphere, whilst the non-tangible aspect of my body, composed of the three subtle material elements (“sūkṣma śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will possibly merge with the collective unconscious, and the story of my life will come to an end FOREVER. See Chapter 05 regarding the eight elemental groups. It seems likely, judging by the evidence, that the “vāsanā” of a deceased person may transfer to more than a single individual. That explains why there are so many persons at once claiming to be the reincarnation of certain famous personalities. The fact that human life ends at death is difficult for many to accept, since they are thoroughly attached to their pseudo-egos, their intellects, their minds, their bodies, their loved-ones, and their possessions. However, when one realizes that one is not an ever-mutating, psycho-physical organism, but, essentially, never-changing, all-pervasive, peaceful, formless AWARENESS (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit), all fear is alleviated. The only “thing” remaining of a person at the time of death is the only “thing” that has ever “existed” - Pure Unalloyed Awareness, or Eternal-Conscious-Peace (“sacchidānanda”, in Sanskrit). We do not normally dread the dreamless portions of our nightly sleep cycles, so why would we fear a more permanent period of existence similar to deep-sleep? This existential crises is the basis of most all angst and uneasiness. So, fear not - death is a normal, NATURAL, and even a necessary consequence of conception. That which has a beginning, surely must end. Putting aside whether or not reincarnation is an accurate account of what happens in this world, it is ABSOLUTELY certain that we receive a completely new body approximately every seven years (via a gradual process, of course). Our first body was a microscopically-sized zygote and our present body is several kilograms heavier. From where has all that extra weight come? Obviously, it came from all the nutrients that we have absorbed via the umbilical cord in our mother's uterus, or via the food, air and water we have consumed since birth. Therefore, one who believes that he is nothing more than the body-mind organism is grossly ignorant of basic biological science. Genetically, approximately half of the cells in the body are not even of human origin, believe it or not! We can all easily understand that our infantile body is completely and utterly different to our present-day form, so logically, our true identity must be something quite APART from it. Nothing, including one’s genetic code, remains constant from conception to death. The sense of self does not even make its appearance in our psyche until two or three years after conception. Therefore, a person is more accurately defined as a process (a verb), rather than an object (a noun). Cont...
When I die, my physical body, composed of the five gross material elements (“sthūla-śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will be reabsorbed into the biosphere, whilst the non-tangible aspect of my body, composed of the three subtle material elements (“sūkṣma śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will possibly merge with the collective unconscious, and the story of my life will come to an end FOREVER. See Chapter 05 regarding the eight elemental groups. It seems likely, judging by the evidence, that the “vāsanā” of a deceased person may transfer to more than a single individual. That explains why there are so many persons at once claiming to be the reincarnation of certain famous personalities. The fact that human life ends at death is difficult for many to accept, since they are thoroughly attached to their pseudo-egos, their intellects, their minds, their bodies, their loved-ones, and their possessions. However, when one realizes that one is not an ever-mutating psycho-physical organism, but, essentially, never-changing, all-pervasive CONSCIOUS AWARENESS (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit), all fear is alleviated. The only “thing” remaining of a person at the time of death is the only “thing” which has ever “existed” - Pure Unalloyed Awareness, or Eternal-Conscious-Peace (“sacchidānanda”, in Sanskrit). We do not normally dread the dreamless portions of our nightly sleep cycles, so why would we fear a more permanent period of existence similar to deep-sleep? This existential crises is the basis of most all angst and uneasiness. So, fear not - death is a normal, NATURAL, and even a necessary consequence of conception. That which has a beginning, surely must end. Putting aside whether or not reincarnation is an accurate account of what happens in this world, it is ABSOLUTELY certain that we receive a completely new body approximately every seven years (via a gradual process, of course). Our first body was a microscopically-sized zygote and our present body is several kilograms heavier. From where has all that extra weight come? Obviously, it came from all the nutrients that we have absorbed via the umbilical cord in our mother's uterus, or via the food, air and water we have consumed since birth. Therefore, one who believes that he is nothing more than the body-mind organism is grossly ignorant of basic biological science. Genetically, approximately half of the cells in the body are not even of human origin, believe it or not! We can all easily understand that our infantile body is completely and utterly different to our present-day form, so logically, our true identity must be something quite APART from it. Nothing, including one’s genetic code, remains constant from conception to death. The sense of self does not even make its appearance in our psyche until two or three years after conception. Therefore, a person is more accurately defined as a process (a verb), rather than an object (a noun). For the sake of philosophical IMPARTIALITY, it is germane to acknowledge the perspectives of other eminent pundits. E.g. In “Bhagavad-gītā”, one of the very greatest spiritual authorities the world has ever known, Lord Śri Krishna, uses the analogy of how the individual person (“ego”, in Latin, or “jīvātman”, in Sanskrit) travels through the various stages of life (that is, from childhood, to pubescent adulthood, to geriatric), with His description of the process of reincarnation, as conceived by the ancient seers (“ṛṣi” [rishi], in Sanskrit) of India (“Bhārata”, in Sanskrit). “...each person is destined to die once...” Anonymous (possibly Paul of Tarsus), Letter to the Hebrews, 9:27. N.B. Ironically, the author of the above letter was a close disciple (or at least a follower) of Lord Jesus of Nazareth, who, according to the New Testament portion of the Judeo-Christian holy book, raised his acquaintance, Lazarus, from the dead. Logically speaking, Lazarus must surely have died more than one time, as did the many dead persons who were supposedly raised from their graves at the crucifixion of Lord Jesus. Assuming that Paul was the author of the Letter to the Hebrews, he himself even raised a young man from the dead (although, in that case, the man, Eutychus, was dead for only a very short period of time, so it was likely that he was merely unconscious, rather than fully deceased). OBVIOUSLY, the writer means that, generally speaking, each individual person is destined for one life alone, as opposed to any alternative scenario such as reincarnation. Yet, as we now know, humans beings are not stable objects, but ever-mutating processes of mind and matter. “The entity that is supposed to be reincarnated in another body, does not even itself exist, except as a concept! How can a mere concept be reborn?” ************* “When you are dead, you will be back in the primordial state of rest, which existed before you were born; that stillness before all experience. It is only the false sense of a limited, separate 'me', that deprives life of its meaning and gives death an ominous significance, which it really does not have.” ************* “The fear of death, is actually a product of the desire to perpetuate one's identity. Were you not dead before you were born? Those who know Reality, know the falsehood of life and death.” ************* “What is born, must in due course, die. The objective body, will thereafter be dissolved and irrevocably annihilated. What was once a sentient being, will be destroyed, never to be reborn. But consciousness is not objective - not a thing at all. Therefore, consciousness is neither born nor dies, and certainly cannot be 'reborn'.” Ramesh S. Balsekar, Indian Spiritual Teacher.
But that is the point of Apologetics, really; even though Atheists think they're the only ones entitled to the attention of apologists, Christians also have to address the evidences presented by the other faith-traditions and philosophies
@@thstroyur That is rather PRESUMPTUOUS of you, wouldn’t you agree, Slave? Presumption is evil, because when one is PRESUMPTUOUS, one makes a judgement about a matter, despite having insufficient facts to support one’s position.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas @✝Reverend Dr. Thomas🌱 "That is rather PRESUMPTUOUS of you, wouldn’t you agree, Slave?" Really? Just like you referring to me as "Slave" is, "Reverend", as though I'm not familiar with Scripture myself? Also, I never heard back why I'm being charged with "being PRESUMPTUOUS", exactly - was it that I mentioned "Atheists" without qualifying that I was talking about _Internet_ (New/village) Atheists, because - IDK - that was quite obvious? But I see you have a good point there; rather than undergoing a critical examination of the total lack of historical substance of your Protestantism (which I can sniff from your username - but pardon if that isn't so), let us instead play devil's advocate to the laziest brand of atheism out there in our modern world, because conceding epistemic points to that abject failure of the intellect somehow furthers the establishment of the Kingdom of the Lord...
@@thstroyur I regret to inform you, Slave, that your response is INCORRECT. 👎 The CORRECT answer is “Yes, Master”. ✅ Bless You Always, TYPICAL Arrogant Westerner! 😇
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My whole family believes in reincarnation and my father says he even has memories from a past life. For generations my family has been part of a movement that claims reincarnation and tries to prove it with the Bible. They say they understand the true meaning of the Bible. I've read quite a bit about the Bible and its supposed statements about reincarnation and such, but never the Bible itself. So I started reading the Bible a few weeks ago because I wanted to know more about it. But as I read the Bible, I found verses that contradicted many of my beliefs. So I read on, not trying to read anything into it, but trying to understand its true meaning. Now I'm beginning to believe the Bible as it is. But I'm still having a bit of a hard time letting go of my old beliefs, but I think it's going to take time. What I can say is that I can't stop reading the Bible and that it gives me peace
Written by hearsay only 4-8 generations after Jesus, the Bible is very garbled and imperfect. Today we know that Moses, for example, did not write the books that are assigned to him, but the priests did.
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God bless you
Jesus spoke of reincarnation in the Gospel of Thomas.
@@Thyalwaysseek Apocrypha.
@@ShlomayoBecause the Catholic Church said so right?
I’m digging the format Cameron. Interesting topic. As a child (4-6ish) I was known for detailing elaborate stories about times I was a different age. I would start by saying things like, “Remember when I was 38? I lived in a tan house and had a dog named etc…etc…” I could see how easily my parents/family could have spun that if we believed in reincarnation. They could have encouraged and cultivated it to make it more extreme and then presented that as evidence for reincarnation.
Looking back, the truth is I was making it all up on the spot for fun. I was extremely imaginable and still am in a lot of ways. I excelled at creative writing assignments in school. If you handed me a pen and paper right now I could write chapters on past lives I’ve had including names of friends, family, co-workers, addresses, phone numbers, specific hobbies and interests each person had and detailed descriptions of places, including buildings/cars etc.
Joseph Smith who started Mormonism had a similar ability which is documented by his family members.
There is no life after death. Near death and out of body experiences is just the brain going haywire and hallucinating when it is nearly dead as there is NOT enough oxygen getting to the brain when it is shutting down. Hours later if they are NOT revived their soul will no longer function and will go kaput. When you see a dead person (a corpse) their soul is still there with their dead body but it is no longer functioning. NDEs and OBEs is sort of just a last gasp before the soul burns out. However, if the concept of an eternally inflating multiverse is correct then sooner or later an exact remake of your soul would be created from scratch in some future universe somewhere else in the eternally inflating multiverse. Cosmic inflation is where our universe expanded so rapid for a very brief moment of time at the big bang. Inflation only ended in our part of space (our bubble universe) while other regions are still inflating. Once inflation starts, it never ends, producing an infinite number of bubble universes and each bubble universe would have their own big bang event. There are new universes being created all of the time at an ever increasing rate with new big bangs occurring forever. With an infinite number of big bangs repetitions of everything are inevitable. Your exact life you have lived so far and every other possible variation of your life is being lived right now by other exact copies of you living on exact copies of this Earth in other exact copies of our universe. An exact copy of you is NOT you because it has no link of being you. It's a person that has an exact copy of your soul (not your soul), has an exact copy of your consciousness (not your consciousness) and it has an exact copy of your brain (not your brain), absolutely no information is transferred other between copies, there is no intersection between copies, they are created from scratch (not the current you being recycled) they exist independently from you and they will think that they are you. Sorry, lights out and game over when you die. Life after death impossible by Sean Carroll here ruclips.net/video/jUIjDncKZbM/видео.html and is our universe part of a multiverse here ruclips.net/video/6eaBPc_fLVs/видео.html
Woah we have the same profile pic!
Can you actually remember that you made it up?
@@cowboycacti I changed mine after haha, My friend made me the pfp I have now, and I love it because it's a bit more personal than a lion. Hoping Maple changes his too one day, we gotta grow into our character arcs lmao
The power of suggestion is powerfully demonstrated in horses who can do math
I've been waiting for someone to cover this topic. great video!
Debunked is definitely overstating it. I guess you gotta clickbait. That's the way to survive on RUclips.
Tbf, the thumb has a question mark.
@@CapturingChristianity I missed that. Nice touch.
@@TheologyUnleashed check out the video by Doreen Virtue "Why I dont believe in reincarnation ". Excellently explained
As a former Buddhist who used to strongly believe in reincarnation, studied the object, and almost got ordained to become a Buddhist nun, now I can see the flaws of this concept as a soon-to-be Christian (I'm taking RCIA class and will be converted soon to Catholic).
So, let's start by sketching out the basic frame of reincarnation. According to the Buddhist doctrines, we not only reincarnate, or in other words, change our shells, from one human flesh to another human flesh, but to different types of fleshes such as animals, demons, hellish beings, heavenly beings, etc., Thus, the concept of reincarnation cannot stand because most of the time the person can only remember their lives as human but not other forms. I heard no one share their reincarnation stories like "Oh, I used to be a bird and this is the nest where I live," or "I used to live in hell and now I reincarnated back to life as a human being." If something is true, it leaves no room for any errors. If we think that we can come back to a new life from hell, we do need to seriously re-examine this concept, not even to mention that karma plays a big role in reincarnation. Whoever believes or studies karma will see how contradictory it is to free will, which is barely taught in the religions that nurture the reincarnation concept.
you're bullsh*tting yourself, or you're lying
You don't really have to believe in reincarnation or supernatural karma to be buddhist. Karma just means action anyway and it's always good to do actions that helps us and those who we care about. Buddha's message was to use dharma as a boat to cross the ocean of suffering and after that to leave the boat. Even believing in God can be a skillful way of overcoming our suffering. I was born as theravada buddhist but now concider myself just dharmic with hindu, buddhist and sufi interests. If you feel like catholicism is the right thing for you, I wish you well. It'll be nice if you read other religions too like eastern orthodox christianity(I love the concept of theosis), early christianity and gnosticism, eastern nesotorian christianity, sufism and islam, canaanite and old west asian religions, old indo-european religions, native african, native east and south east asian religions and other native religions, other forms of buddhism, hinduism and shramana religions etc. Coming from a buddhist background, sutras such as kalama sutra can be very freeing in my opinion. So always carry a bit of the good side of buddhism with you too which ever shore you end up. Hope it helps...Good luck on your journey❤
If you do want to end up the shore where there is everlasting life and peace though, just consider Jesus Christ. Nothing else needed. No more trying. Succes guaranteed. He already paid the price.
@@acordilia Hm, seems like it's a comment directed at my reply. I mean you are assuming that everyone wants everlasting life. I come from a buddhist culture originally. Buddhists don't want everlasting life, nirvana means complete annihilation. Samsara itself is everlasting life, so they wanna end it. If Christianity is what's good for you OK so. Even then which form of it? Orthodox? Catholic? Protestant? Jehova's witness? Later day saints (mormon)? Anabaptist/amish? Other kind of modern christianity? I mean you don't have to study all these religions, I'm just saying it's better at least for me to try and understand a bit about other religions too. I mean that's what buddha did too. He went in search of the truth (Kim saccha gavesi, kim kusala gavesi/ journey to find what is the truth/ what is what's skillful). I'm assuming you were born in a Christian family (I maybe wrong). What if you were born in a buddhist family like me, you wouldn't be even learning about christianity too deeply if done even a bit. If one of your ancestors didn't at least try to learn and embrace something new, you would have been a Pagan today and saying something about a native pagan god now except about Jesus/Yeshua.
The moment someone starts talking about "hell", I tune out. LOG is trading a not-so-bad religion (Buddhism) for a terrible one (Christianity). Neither is true.
The explanation at the end about Morphic Resonance! That is pretty cool! Sometimes I’ve heard, clearly heard music in my head! Like I’m not imagining things, it is more like tuning to a radio and listening to clear music that I’ve never heard before! Great topic by the way!
@James Palmer2 interesting thought, I like how sound produces patterns in sand, I think its called cymatics? And how the microcosmos is like a fractal of the macrocosmos. And how there are cycles everywhere. I don’t believe consciousness ceases to exist at death, or that consciousness is an effect of the accumulation of particles in a certain orderly pattern. On the contrary, I believe that it transcends matter, and the accumulation of orderly particles is the effect of consciousness. More like the observer effect. Is there any physics experiment or something showing that matter might be arranged exactly the same to produce an exact copy of myself somewhere in the Universe? Sounds like a pretty cool theory! I think the arrangement of particles in the universe follows more like Pi, 3.1416 ad infinitum, no copy but uniqueness. Probably the memory on children might be due to the effects of the previously alive consciousness that left an effect on matter before passing away, and the memory on the child might be the child’s brain tuning into that, like a transformer using electromagnetic induction. Or aliens!
@Mimi Routh ???? Are you serious or just trolling?
I would highly recommend having the researchers on to discuss their material.
Lol, a debunking piece never invites a right-of-reply :)
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An economist pointed out that because of how popularized super size me documentary became, it made McDonalds try to offer healthier options as they were under heavy scrutiny.
Point is, researchers like Stephenson and tucker who do fringe research that ppl laugh at are trying to do real scholarly work that will be taken seriously because they really believe in it. They actually have to go above and beyond what evidence normal research requires because they know theyll be scrutinized that much more. I too would like to see how tucker responds to claims that seem to dismiss his evidence by seemingly saying there's little control and validation.
"Debunked"
Believe in the divine.
Not man.
I am watching this. Many of Tucker's and Stevenson's families did not have a pre-existing belief in reincarnation. I have read their work extensively. So, there is your first factual inaccuracy.
Morphic resonance is the explanation of specific behavior of a specific species, if you say how do babies learn to walk or speak or cry that can be explained through that, but specific memory or detailed information of one specific dead person's life can't be Morphic resonance
It is appointed a man once to die and after that....the judgment.
How many judgements are there?
@@can_do_nz2272 one judgement-->
11¶And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
@@davidcrane6593 thanks for the reply. That judgement is actually labeled by John as 'the last judgement'. It was interesting some time back when I looked a little into it and the views from some mainstream christian narratives. For example catholic 1x, eastern orthodox 2x and if I recall correctly some up to 7x. (Unfortunately I cannot find my notes, will keep looking). As per Heb 9 when Christ died he was judged obviously before he rose again within 3 days. cheers
@@can_do_nz2272 Christ(God The Son) is the Judge.
Revelation 19:11 KJV - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
@@davidcrane6593 Still citing false prophecies, I see. Beware lest that judgment fall upon you for harkening to lies.
I guess John the Baptist couldn’t be Elijah then
Yes, he wasn’t. Elijah reincarnating as John the Baptist is a misinterpretation of what Jesus said.
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Without reincarnation Gods justice cannot be justified in one single lifetime
And what if.there is no god at all, what if God doesn't exist? Then there is nothing called justice , one lifetime etc...
This guy really hasn't read good material, despite referencing it. The case of James Leininger alone is one good example that stands up to his scrutiny.
James Leininger's story is made up by the parents and influenced by a therapist they had used to influence their son to make up the stories, there are so many inconsistencies in the story it's shocking you'd use that as an argument for reincarnation
Morphic resonance is fascinating, since it illuminates a starting point for understanding why, when people reincarnate, they don't reincarnate as beings living hundreds of light-years away.
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@@madelynhernandez7453 haha!!
I don't know anything about Sheldrake, but his notion of Morphic Resonance sounds like a form of panpsychism, which I know has some proponents among philosophers. Also, I don't find the arguments for reincarnation very compelling. It seems most of it could also be explained by something like Jung's collective unconscious rather than reincarnation. Not that I ascribe to either, but the former seems as equally feasible as the latter.
Sheldrake would be a panpsychist of sorts. Bergsonian would probably be the most specific and accurate term.
I'll offer quite a few metaphysical alternatives in the actual debate with Arjuna, so be sure to tune in! Not Jungian ideas, per se, because Jung believed the collective unconscious manifested uniquely in each culture--a universal with many particular instantiations, whereas the "evidence" on offer is far too specific to easily fit in with Jung (such as exact place names and events). There is, however, something quite similar to what I believe your comment alludes to that I will mention, so you'll probably find that interesting (no spoilers, though).
There is no collective unconscious
@James Palmer2 ok well how does that explain me getting memories of my previous births?
This is absolutely fascinating! I saw a Netflix special about children supposedly remembering past lives and it was quite compelling. But it leaves out the confirmation bias of the parents and some of the researchers. I came here because I wanted to hear skeptical arguments on reincarnation and you guys delivered.
sometimes I think I'm kind of a buzzkill because I'm more interested in skepticism than I am the original topic.
If children remembering their past life is true then the should also remember their state after their death and before their next birth..where were they what did they do, how they existed, in what form, the entire journey Into the new rebirth...but none of the children were able to say anythjng about that realm and state .. so reincarnation doesn't seem to have been proven ..
@@FlyingBaccardi -- Because someone remembers THIS does not mean they have to remember THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT also.
@@calebmurdock2028 if you remember what you ate for breakfast ..you'd surely remember what you had for lunch...cuz lunch comes after breakfast and is more recent compred to the breakfast which you had in the morning .its nothing lkke "that that that.that that"..when you can remember the past life ..which is before the state of existence in spiritual realm..so you'd definitely remember what you were in the spiritual realm before getting into the current birth..because the exiatence in the spiritual realm is more recent than the previous birth ..if one remember the past life then its even more easier and possible to remmber the life after death after the past life .. . so rebirth isn't proven yet for sure ..since none of them.claiming to have remembered past life could.remmber anything about their state in between two lives ...
No matter what happens after death, the one thing that cannot be experienced is an experience of no experience. Only experience is experienced.
No, you probably will experience nothing. You simply will not be.
Hey a familiar face!
Hi. Cogito, ergo sum. Cheers, P.R.
Although there are COUNTLESS studies of children at young ages, who then prove things even the parents didn't know. And this morphing? thing is not making sense to me.
You should have also discussed the idea of involvement of demons letting them speak about things, palaces and people they never seen/been. Demons do play an important role in such ideologies, too.
Sure because demons are more likely to exist than past lives according to science
@@st.mephisto8564 Science is good but not all-knowing. Metaphysical concepts are beyond Science. BTW, no one here claimed anything about reincarnation being Scientific or anti-Science. So why are you getting angry at my comment?
@@noconversion Because the approach taken in the video was scientific one, as it should. Purely on the grounds of science, Reincarnation is no more improbable than Resurrection.
Metaphysically anything is possible.
@@st.mephisto8564 It was common sense and simple logic which were used in the video. This matter was never about Science vs anti-Science.
@@noconversion What Nonsense! They were talking about data, research, theories
Thanks for the clip. I don't usually have the time to watch the full interviews
very interesting,. it is the first time I hear an alternative explanation to the evidences brought forward for reincarnation.
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I used to believe in reincarnation...... during my previous life.
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Clever.
Brahman Priests in India for thousands of years have invoked departed souls into themselves so the families of the departed can ask the soul questions and feed them... Rebirth is a universal spiritual law and beyond all religious dogmas. When the soul takes birth, it's no longer possible for it to incarnate into a priests because a new chapter for the soul has begun.
yes according to Hinduism ghosts and spirits realm in near earthly realm.in this realm great saints and sadhakas resides just like jesus,Sai Baba, devarah Baba, pret Maharaj and many others .they have established their kingdom here but they are not free from cycle of birth and death 😊
This video is not compelling at all.
You're calling Jesus a liar then.
yes off course Jesus is great but Bible is fiction comic book 😂
I grew up not knowing about the idea of reincarnation until I was older. My mother was a Christian and my father was an atheist.
Why then, at age 2, did I speak of my other mother who I missed? Who I watched be buried in the paddock in the rain? I was even able to point out her house (which we later found out did belong to some ancestors).
As a Christian myself, I find this very confusing. I can't remember these memories, but multiple people have confirmed the tale.
Could be something demonic or just a memory from an ancestor that got stuck in your epigenetic
Maybe reincarnation is true and the version of our beliefs as we have them today has been created for us by individuals of influence who lived thousands of years ago.
@@Seeker123-l2b Yeah but there's plenty of evidence for Christianity too. It's a matter of which evidence you believe
You cant get any more proof than a very young little Indian girl who knew she lived in a village five hundred miles away , knew the family surname , her parents names, her husbands name and her siblings names.Or the little boy who recalled his address in Italy and that he was a mechanic and when they checked , the tools were still at that address , Or a woman who claimed she was an egyptian princess who gave the location of a secret passage to a garden even the archeologists didnt know about , but there it was. To be a sceptic is just dumb. theres more than enough proof. I havent even touched a fraction of it. One only has to spend a few hours listening to NDE videos and reincarnation videos to see our true existence.
I suppose reincarnation is no less or more likely than resurrection, heaven, hell, trans-dimensional aliens, magical fairies and spirit animals.
Resurrection has enough evidence. Read Gary Habermas.
@@noconversion Resurrection really doesn't have enough evidence. Read Ehrman or Carrier. All you have is stories like all other miracles of other religions. 4 anonymous writings of seeing Jesus alive again written 30 to 90 years afterwards in fragments not even in the original language and each writings don't even say, "I saw Jesus alive again..." in some form. Even Habermas agrees with this. I suppose you can take it on faith, but you can justify anything on faith.
@@gabrielteo3636 That's why I requested you to read Gary Habermas. You don't know how to reconcile the truth about the eye witness accounts and when were their testimony recorded.
@@noconversion The bottom line is the 4 Gospels are anonymous 2nd or 3rd hand accounts. The resurrection is no more plausible than the moon being split for a few minutes, because the evidence is just some people wrote some people saw it thousands of yeas ago. I have a feeling you think the Holy Spirit has done something in you to make the evidence of the resurrection true to you. I have not had or I don't realize the Holy Spirit has done anything in me yet. Am I justified in thinking the resurrection is just a myth? If you have not had the Holy Spirit do whatever it does to people, would you believe these stories?
@@gabrielteo3636 Carrier???? LOL You do understand that almost nobody in the entire field of history takes him seriously, right? He's the biggest quack. Ehrman literally thinks his views are quackery, writes about it all the time and doesn't think that people who do the poor quality quack work that Carrier does are even qualified to be employeed (and he openly writes this).
If you look at what mainstream biblical historians, from atheist to fundamentalist, there's a lot of evidence for the resurrection (the atheists just interpret that evidence to different conclusions like mass hallucinations or that Jesus survived the crucifix).
You have no idea what you're saying, and trans-dimensional aliens and magical fairies and spirit animals make you sound ignorant.
The only reason to debunk it in the face of all the evidence is indoctrination and fear of letting go of old beliefs which is understandable since the religion as a whole seems to reject it due to the early councils removing it as an answer. If the evidence is astounding which it is.. maybe it's time to reconsider the old doctrines as possibly being wrong. The first thing you learn in biblical scholarship is how it was all edited by multiple people over time. When you open to the idea it validates most religions and makes your own phenomenally deeper because now you really can compare and contrast with others to get to the truth.
Love the power of suggestion at the end “ and remember christianity is true” 😂 but reincarnation is not
Just curious: you say that many events recollected over the years can get exaggerated. Isn’t this the case with all of the Gospels?
I appreciate the question! It's a good one. I'm not a NT scholar, but I may have a helpful response.
I can't speak to the Gospels as a whole. I can only speak to the basic claim that Jesus was killed, buried, and resurrected. If I remember correctly, according to most NT scholars, this basic claim was being preached within six months to two years after Jesus's death. I may be misremembering, though.
Hope that helps!
@@Calhoun90 thanks for the reply Matthew. Where would that information come from?
@@davidhinson6302 Sure! No prob.
After posting my comment, I checked Gary Habermas's _The Historical Jesus: Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ_---specifically, the 1996 edition. Here are some paragraphs from pp. 153--4. For clarity, I omit his footnotes:
"In 1 Corinthians 15:3--4, Paul states:
'For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures' (RSV).
As the passage continues, Paul records appearances of the resurrected Christ to Peter, to the 'twelve' disciples, to over 500 persons at one time, to James, to all of the apostles and then to Paul himself (vv. 5--8).
That this confession is an early Christian, pre-Pauline creed is recognized by virtually all critical scholars across a very wide theological spectrum.
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How early is this creed? Numerous critical theologians have endeavored to answer this important question, with very striking results. Ulrich Wilckens asserts that this creed 'indubitably goes back to the oldest phase of all in the history of primitive Christianity.' Joachim Jeremias calls it 'the earliest tradition of all.' Concerning a more exact time, it is very popular to date this creed in the mid AD 30s. More specifically, numerous critical theologians date it from three to eight years after Jesus' crucifixion."
So it seems I misremembered the exact dates. Still, I hope this citation helps!
If you want more Gary Habermas, check out this video:
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Yes that's true, but the 25,000 plus manuscripts prove the bible was translated 99% correctly from hebrew to greek to English.
We also have (I've heard haven't looked into it personally) that there are over 1 million writings from on and about the gospels from the church fathers themselves so the entire Bible can practically be recreated almost perfectly based on those alone even without the manuscripts.
So then all you have to is see if the translations are accurate and they most definitely are.
Next we have archaeological evidences.
I mean... Overwhelming, mountains of archaeological evidences constantly being found, confirming that the old and new testament weren't just fairy tails but actual history.
Combine that with how the old testament prophets, Jesus Christ and the apostles all managed to predict 2000 plus years of human history, hundreds of actual historical events like the fall of many nations such as ancient Babylon, Alexander the great, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, and many many many SPECIFIC historical events... I think the evidences point towards 3 things.
1. The Bible is 99% accurately translated.
2. The Bible isn't a fairy tale, its a history book with many of the events and individuals withing old testament and new testament such as king David and Jesus, moses, the apostles and more.. Have actually happend.
And 3.
Since the bible has consistently predicted our future, unless the old testament prophets, John the baptist, Jesus Christ and the apostles all had time machines, we can conclude that The bible is in fact The inspired Word of God.
Amen
@@moremusic868 Show me one legitimate prediction that is extremely clear and that can’t be well argued to have been written after the fact. By extension you have to produce a manuscript of the prophecy that predates the event and can be conclusively shown to have preceded the event and not latter added or redacted to look like a true prediction. It must contain very exact details and completely have been fulfilled in one time period unambiguously. From what I’ve found, it is objectively the case that the Bible has failed predictions. So your thesis is highly debatable. Let the discussion begin.
3:50 so eye witness testimony from 10 years in the past isn’t reliable. I dare you to say that about the gospels 😂
Gospel times were a time where minorities of people had writing literacy skills, meaning it was a completely different way of recording data- also, there are thousands of accounts of Jesus. In a study like the one discussed, it’s not just telling of a story that people experienced, but a study in a literate population in which it’s flawed to wait 10 years to record. As well, it’s only one person reporting this. I think the contexts are important to note!
It is so funny to think that this "force" that is making reincarnation occur is making mistakes lol
Re Morphic resonance. The reincarnation hypothesis appears to me to explain all the evidence, so I cannot understand this claim that morphic resonance explains more of the evidence. It's an outlandish hypothesis.
It is being assumed that the evidence is sound. But, that being so, given that the child remembers the details of the past life that largely check out when investigated. Has an emotional identity with the deceased person. Has possibly got a birthmark corresponding to the location of the wound that killed the previous person. Then it seems to me it is utterly preposterous to favour the morphic resonance "explanation".
There might be many other "supernatural" alternative hypotheses, but they all suffer from the same problem as morphic resonance, namely they are all outlandish.
Sirs, reincarnation is a basic belief in hinduism, and buddhism.
Beliefs in general have lots of uncertainties as well as speculation, and reincarnation is no exception.
The biologist this guy named, Rupert Sheldrake, is himself inspired by Hinduism. He worked as a plant biologist in India for 5 years where he came under the influence of Hindu philosophy. And his theory doesn't contradict reincarnation, rather it strengthens it. Reincarnation is the grand explanation, and morphic resonance may be a specific case of it to explain the phenomenon it aims to describe.
There is coding and everybody's DNA. You're simply getting memories that are inside your DNA from your past ancestors. There's no such thing as reincarnation. Otherwise Jesus would have set the example and have come back numerous times by now in reincarnation. His whole point of dying for us would have been mute if we can just keep coming back and back and back.
Nice,You got a point!
But i have a Question!
You know the eastern religion like hinduism,Buddism,shikhism,Jainism believes in reincarnation[Rebirth].
But i believe there is only one life,After we die there will be judgement day!
Can you please give me some point
Why rebirth is logically impossible?
@@noahgoulet6683 the Fall
you're just explaining it on bases of religion tho? if memories of ancestors were in your dna then how come cases are appearing from people who are not even related to each other is there another explanation of it then?
You don't know Jesus then.....or the arguement he was apart of with esseenes, sadducees, and Pharisees....
Resurrection is the reincarnation meaning
That's not even possible for our DNA to do lol
I do believe in Subconscious suggestions and I have seen cases of physiological and psychological effects brought through suggestions 👍👍
We have enough good case studies to accept that some children have the memories of dead people, as so the interesting part today is to say the phenomenon is real, how do we explain it? And the truth is that today with our knowledge we do not know, there are only theories we need to explore further. But the time where we said "these things do not really happen" should be over. Going over the bad science is just a wast of time when there is enough good to go around.
Because we have a lot of these enigmas today, things we now know is real but have no explanation for we are at a very interesting time in science. When we do not know, we only have questions and still no solutions, that is when the great breakthroughs in knowledge comes. Our old way of explaining humans and human consciousness is no longer fitting.
But why is this video called reincarnation debunked? Having critical questions is not debunking. Having critical questions is an important part of fact finding, but to be debunked we need to have evidence against something. There is nothing of that sort in this video.
A Christian could easily say that the child is being fed this knowledge by demon possession- metaphysically, it’s not that easy to prove reincarnation
@@eddiespiked You and I and everyone else might come up with all kinds of theories. That is all we have today, theories, ideas and suggestions. Some might be stronger than others, some might seem riddiculous, but the truth is we do not know. And none of it is close to being proven, not reincarnation, not possession nor any other option.
120 years ago people were trying to study phenomena like this, but western science made a shift where they stopped studying it almost all together, exept from very few people.
@@beateifarta prior to Christianity reincarnation was the norm amongst indigenous cultures
@@namanarya1288 Which ones?
Reincarnation is contrary to Christian doctrine which says, we die once and then the judgement. Also, the person is not inside a body according to Chistian doctrine, we are body and spirit together. The spirit is given by God in the womb, and returns to God at death, it is not that the person returns to God, what returns to God is the spirit of the person. So, there has to be a different reason why someone may think they have lived before. Ecclesiastes 12:7.
What is the spirit? and what is the body? A person is the 'joining' of a body & spirit. If we think of a computer it is made up of hardware and software. The hardware alone is basically lifeless but when you add the software it becomes a functioning unit. Now apply it to a person. The body is lifeless without the spirit. The spirit contains the character and personality. Together a person is born that is now influenced by firstly by the body it sex, colour, abilities/disabilities, secondly by its environment, culture, religion and education. So when you read Luke 1:17, And he will go on before the Lord in the spirit and power of Elijah. This talks of John the Baptist. The body was John but the spirit was Elijah and the power was the Holy Spirit and together it was John the Baptist.
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@@can_do_nz2272 John the baptizer's spirit was not Elijah, the person is not the spirit the person is both spirit and body. When we die our spirits go to God, we do not go to God, we have been divided at death.
At the resurrection, we are put together and become a person again.
@@fcastellanos57 So Christ was a liar? in Mathew 11:14: And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. Mathew 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist. Immediately following the transfiguration in Mark 9;11-13. Then of course there is 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Seems to me that flies in the face of your narrative.
Christians need to put aside and come out from under what was decreed by a roman emperor in AD 545. To continue under it one is bound to Catholicism and all of its mistakes.
Anyway it would appear we will not agree on much.
@@can_do_nz2272m, No, Jesus was not a liar, just because we do not understand His words or what he meant does not make him a liar. Reincarnation is not a Biblical doctrine. You may want to consult some sources to see what they have to say concerning this passage. Jesus often spoke in figurative language; we have to be mindful of that, 2 Corinthians 5:1-10 talks about the resurrection, no problem with that, we die and then we will be resurrected, that's Paul teachings. .
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The original writings do talk about what we might call reincarnation. It never mentioned hell and plenty of other differences that were not around till long after they were written.
Well, i'm afraid to die. but when i search DEBUNKING REINCARNATION it said "A soul's person will leave into ANOTHER BODY to restart the new life" IM STILL SCARED TO DIE.
Many of us don’t want these memories- or at least me- its like trauma flashbacks of a life that wasn’t mine but i feel more emotional attachment to my “previous life” than now. Its like a sudden download of sensibilities of the early 1900s.
Some of my experiences have led me to believe I know two past lives.
There's some people in this life from them.
Who i think is my past life husband kept his first name from past life, but it's his last name now.
Do you think putin is admiral Jose de ribas?
Early Christianity believed in reincarnation.
However, in the 6th century, the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian I managed to declare reincarnation a heresy and imprisoned Pope Vigilius, who supported this belief at the time. He also began to remove reincarnation from the Bible.
Scholars speculate that the primary reason for rejecting reincarnation was the fear that it would undermine the significance of Christ’s redemption and reduce the church’s revenue from the unity of state and church.
--Light of Wisdom Church 《Primitive Christianity Believed in Reincarnation》
To the viewer who posted on the James Leininger case: The Leininger case is bunk. Check out the work of Michael Sudduth. He demolished it completely.
And there are reports that discredit Sudduths investigation into this case also.
Couldn't this also be a proof of traducianism (the belief that we inherit our soul from our parents)?
I had past life memories as a child in the form of night terrors. Then recently I started having dreams that made more sense about things I’ve never seen or heard of. The most interesting thing was something called a “steam wagon.” I was riding on one and then I knew what it was called when I googled it.
There’s a lot more but this is a youtube comment so…
The Bible tells us that in the end times people will receive visions from fallen angels to lead them astray. Visions or dreams filled with anything they want. Doesn't have to be anything you've seen before.
Seth Hart says that recounting events years or decades after they have happened, especially when those events are extraordinary and the narrators are willing to give them a certain interpretation, makes him skeptical about their veracity. He does not distinguish irony! LOL
As a Christian , this definitely shows his bias against the idea of reincarnation. If someone used the same arguments against Christianity, he would be defending against them instead of supporting them.
@James Palmer2 My comment pointed to the irony of having different criteria when analyzing improbable history.
No. There is not a single reason to suppose that inflation extends infinitely, backwards, in time.
That also does not imply that something came out of nowhere. It is the religious interpretation that affirms, without any support, that God created everything from nothing.
The idea of the multiverse, inflation, infinite regression, etc., have nothing to do with the position of affirming without the slightest doubt that Jesus was resurrected.
Very interesting stuff
With all due respect, this is a little disappointing. There aren’t any specific examples of what you were discussing in Jim Tucker’s research. You were pretty vague and mentioned issues with one case out of the literal thousands his department has researched. Morphic resonance is officially classified as pseudoscience and comes from a new age philosopher but you present it as though it’s from an actual respected scientist. Lastly, you don’t account for the numerous stories from Carol Bowman and Jim Tucker where the names ARE accurate, the places ARE confirmed, and the stories are not 10 years into the future. A great example on youtube is James Leineger, a boy from a family that did not believe in reincarnation. As a PS, most but by no means all cases are from outside the US. However, “children say the darndest things” is a saying for a reason. There’s even a crowdsourced reddit thread on some mysterious things people’s kids have said regarding potential past lives.
@James Palmer2 stop spamming this what proof can u give for this stupidity?
So you don’t believe reincarnation because the evidence is insufficient and yet you still believe in a talking snake, magic fruit, 800 year old men, giants, virgin birth, demon pigs, walking on water, talking donkey etc all with zero evidence! Seems rather inconsistent, don’t you think ? 😂
There's actually plenty of evidence. But you're not open to hearing about it. But if you want to look up something cool just Google even here on RUclips Bones of giants. There's plenty of archaeological evidence of skeletons that have been Unearthed that are much bigger than us.
@@e.witover4222 If those photos were really true, every major news station would be covering it... and yet none are. Why? But even if they were real, would you take these as proof that the ancient Greek gods are real because their mythology speaks about giants. No you wouldn't. So why do you expect me you accept the same as proof of your mythology. Learn some critical thinking skills, kid
@@pazuzil The New York Times did cover it when they were being discovered.
Interesting perspective, thanks.
He says the likelihood of reincarnation becomes diminishingly small when we take into account his objections to the evidence and alternatively "supernatural" hypotheses.
Clearly not. Even if his objections to the evidence are compelling (which they emphatically are not and which I will argue against in due course), one would have to start with the premise that reincarnation is a priori highly unlikely. Where is his argument for this?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that "bookshelves" was a unit of measurement? What nonsense. How many papers were written? What's the number? The time span?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the claim was made that "bookshelves" was a unit of measurement? What nonsense. If you're so curious about the subject, you can look up books and papers yourself, and spare us the heckling of your personal incredulity; the speaker dropped a few names, like Stevenson and Tucker; that, and a short trip thru Google (Scholar), should provide enough of a headstart, if you do care about the topic.
I believe that being religious is also having an open mind to the possibilities of reincarnation or believing in the true teachings of yahshua.
Hi. Yes indeed, why limit God's possibilities? Cheers, P.R.
This guy set up a nice straw man and also conveys a rather weak response for his skepticism.
Ian Stevenson was actually remarkably meticulous.
And why in the world should it be important if there is reincarnation or not from a Christian point of view ?!
Well its either reincarnation is true or not on the other hand eternal Damnation is not a fair call either,if I had a choice which to to choose from I'd pick the first one.
@@fumarate1 I don’t believe in eternal damnation. Unlike reincarnation which could test alleged reincarnations through verifying information which could not have been acquired otherwise, eternal damnation is merely Christian belief.
There is 2 kind of reincarnation theories: Hindu ( wrong )and Judaism ( possibly right ) . In Judaism e.g Zohar teaches this. Souls are with God in eternity. If there is something they need to fix in their soul ( Tikkun ) they come back to finish the task. Also angel may come to souls asking volunteer to do some mission. Also spouse can be sended to help him/her ( souls have their half )
What about Israel, all who died in camps without knowing Jesus. one passage in the bible : when diciples asked Jesus about grippled man did he sin or his parrents that he needed to born like this. How could have he sin if he wasnt born yet? And Jesus answered no he didnt sin.
Why just because u follow a particular faith
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Luk. 11.20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. - Jesus
there is 2 kingdoms, kingdom of darknes and light. but its not duality. There is Creator God and evil has hold on the earth and so it looks big for that reason but devil is created being that is fallen.
When Jesus of Nazareth came to this world something extraordinary happened: demons/unclean spirits started to manifest and cry out and Jesus could cast them out with word. Its meanining there is false Matrix (matrixes)and evil spirits are binding people and fooling them to different believes. Jesus was God incarnated so he was sinnles and he had power over these enteties. you cant see this in any other religion.
This is prove on what Bible states that the devil is ( was ) ruler of this world, and still through sin he has power on earth.
Act. 10.38 _God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and _*_healing all that were oppressed of the devil_*_ for God was with him. 40 _*_Him God raised up the third day_*_ , and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead_
Matt. 8.28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Parents definitely do with Transgender issues.
Who’s to say that Monarch Butterflies aren’t reincarnating and picking up on the migratory trail where they left off? 😂
While not mentioned in the bible, reincarnation of a restricted form seems to be compatible with Christianity.
Assuming life starts at conception, I don't see why the soul of a fetus that is miscarried or dies before forming genitalia could not be reincarnated into a the same or a new womb.
I'm not saying it is true but I don't think it contradicts anything in christian teaching.
"Assuming life starts at conception [...] reincarnated into a the same or a new womb" You literally contradicted yourself; if life starts _at conception_ , it wouldn't be starting if it had already begun before, would it? You can try and salvage this by saying it's only the conception part that matters, but not only you'd have trouble with the metaphysics of souls, you'd be slipping into the heresy of "origenism" (look it up)
@@thstroyur Why is Origenism a heresy?
Please don't say because a 5th century council says so
@@st.mephisto8564 I wasn't, but since you brought that up - how one qualifies something as a "heresy", TBW?
@@thstroyur I don't know, but I would take a crack at it. Anything that can challenge the cohesion of a closed belief system?
Difference of opinion leads to dogmatic chaos and dogmatic chaos harms cohesion in the church as one body. That would be my guess.
@@st.mephisto8564 "Anything that can challenge the cohesion of a closed belief system" Problem is - _who_ decides what the "closed belief system" is, without begging the question here? In Catholicism, the _Magisterium_ handles that issue by establishing dogma grounded in historical sources - such as the Council you mentioned; heresy, therefore, is that which contradicts such theological dogmas in topics like Christ's nature, etc. Move, then, to other Christians, and even non-Christians: who has the authority to define what's heresy and what isn't? This alone, to me, already discredits Protestantism and, to a large extent, Eastern Orthodoxy: even before entertaining Origenism as a proposition per se, we can't even say it's 'orthodox' or not, because there is no standard to guide us - just like there is no standard against or for, say, Arianism or Docetism...
it seems no one recalls being a bug in a past life
James 3 6 and the tongue of fire passage that affects the "course of life", the greek phrase trochós génnisis means "wheel of birth", James is talking about the many life cycles one goes through. translaters today can translate this to not support reincarnation, which is exactly what they do, but the problem is if you go back 2k years to how the phrase was used, it was only used in reference to life cycles. good luck explaining that away.
Are you Elijah? He's already came and you shunned him..
About Rupert Shilderik: i dont understand the difference between a real me, and a me that remembers the same stuff i did
That would be a version of personal identity that materialism would seem to imply. Those who believe in reincarnation have the commonsensical conception of personal identity.
One's memories are not constitutive of a person, otherwise that person would literally cease to exist constantly, since our memories change constantly. Of course, materialists bite the bullet here and accept this. But not a person who subscribes to an afterlife.
I would hope your upcoming topic delving further into reincarnation takes into consideration the thoughts and belief structures from a Judaism point of view. So many topics that are presented from a so called Christian point of view only mix in the Dharmic concepts in the attempt to 'debunk' it. Pointless as the only thing that is debunked is the attempted argument.
@James Palmer2 So it all begins with 'inflation'. Then your definition of the laws surrounding it. One would have to accept that to begin with. Nah.
Why don't you begin with looking around at creation, its balance, its beauty and how you fit into it? Then look at your self and men around you . I am sure you will see the fault of oneself and those around you. Then with a contrite heart ask and see that God reveal himself to you. There you will find truth.
Reincarnation is real.
Ask John the Baptist.
Before I started watching I was struck by how scared the guy in red seems/looks
being on camera is a bit nerve wracking to some
There is a meaning of “we are all in Christ” and “body of Christ.” When we remember past lives or experience deja vu, it’s not because those lives were “our” lives, but rather, a glitch in the matrix. Think of Christ like the Matrix. We are ALL connected in Him and we all die and return to the same source.
that is not biblical at all, and that is not at all what it means to be in Christ.
Jesus is not a matrix, he is a person, the second person of the trinity.
also, deja vu is not recalling someone else's memories lol.
it occurs when you are in a situation similar to one you have been in before.
@@jackplumbridge2704 No disrespect, but I don’t think you’re learned enough to debate me on Biblical metaphysics. You don’t even know what you’re saying when you say “person.” We are all connected through Christ. He is the vine and we are the fruit. If you can tell me why the rainbow surrounding the throne of God is green and what the rainbow actually is, then we can have a discussion. If not, you aren’t ready yet.
@@ghostgate82 you don't know anything about biblical metaphysics.
of course i know what a person is. you don't.
a person is an individual with certain attributes, such as a rational mind and free will.
a matrix is not a person.
the fact that you think rainbows have anything to do with the definition of a person is laughable.
ill wait for you to provide any biblical citation that Jesus is a matrix.
@@jackplumbridge2704 “Matrix” is a metaphor, since you don’t seem to get that. Christ “became” flesh, meaning He was ontologically different before that. This entire universe is “the Matrix.” We are but “bacteria” in a much larger fractal machine. You are a heart cell that knows nothing of the other cells in the body and seemingly recoil at the very mention of them. And no, I don’t think rainbows have anything to do with personhood, but the reason the rainbow surrounding the throne is green and what it represents is a litmus test to your overall understanding of the hidden things of scripture. It’s easy to parrot what you’ve heard sitting in a pew, but it’s hard to actually thoroughly articulate the wisdom of scripture.
Can you define what you mean by Christ is the Matrix?
And I'd say that ALL humanity isn't connected to Christ spiritually yet he is in so far as our humanity and him coming to die for the redemption of humanity.
“Christians” crying in the comments before they even watch the video.
Proverbs 18:13
These guys need to watch weird world reincarnation videos.
I didn't believe in reincarnation in my last life either. ''Condemnation w/o investigation is the height of ignorance.'' - Albert Einstein. Life is a school and if you haven't learned to love like Jesus, you have to come back and try again and yet again until you do. How do suppose an individual becomes saint? Only after many, many, many lives as a sinner! 😶 😇
I put no limits on God.
The unknown ppl writing about the "resurrection" was probably not even born when it´s supposed to´ve happened...
And "Jesus" wasn´t even mentioned until at least 15 years after his death...
Yeah, it´s a bad fantasy at best...
Can be a possession, entities know everything about people
Some simple math also throws cold water on the idea of past lives, if each person has a soul or spirit that moves through time between generations and centuries. The best estimate is that there are currently nearly 7 billion people on earth, yet around 1800 there were fewer than 1 billion living people. Where did the "new" 6 billion souls come from during the past 200 years? Did people during our great-great grandfathers' time each have six souls inside them? (And, of course, if people's memories of past lives are accurate, it's puzzling how more than one person can claim to have been famous figures like Jesus, Marilyn Monroe, and Napoleon.)
i thought Morphic Resonance was debunked and labelled labeled pseudoscience and magical thinking
Hi Cameron,
Please make a video about the Smithsonian saying this:
" After the death of Jesus of Nazareth, his followers fled. Tradition tells us that James went to Spain"
I think they might've missed an important detail between those two pieces of information!
Capturing Hinduism 😂
What do you mean by "HINDUISM"?
@@tony1685 is that your argument?
It's so hard to really know anything 😵
4:05 so people believe in Christ because they are primed ?
Check out "why I don't believe in reincarnation " by doreen virtue
The Resurrection is Reincarnation.
How blind you all are.
SMH
It is also interesting to consider all the scientific research on parapsychology (alleged phenomena like telepathy) which has been undertaken. Not many people know about it, but it is fascinating to look at.
kids have remembered exact events to the t ...to the t
What debate, where?
What? This is Hinduism.
Did you even watch the entire video? He was criticizing Reincarnation.
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They spent the first minute lauding "the scientific research for reincarnation...good (implying true) research....children with past life experiences...." Yada Yada.
@@kurtgundy No, a good research of a topic does not suggest that it is true.
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So maybe the conclusion was different. But I don't have time for those games.
@@kurtgundy No one is playing any games. You just jumped to conclusions.
Hi. Good show, but anecdotal evidence like "past memories" has never been sufficient to prove reincarnation. Children are subject to the power of suggestion, and others are often just attention seekers. The "past memories" path a distraction from more important issues. Are our memories part of our physical body only, and don't reincarnate with our spirits? Maybe it's our potential to be aware, our consciousness, which science has no explanation for, that reincarnates?
The church's offered alternative of heaven and hell is equally unclear. Why would a God of infinite wisdom and compassion waste his potential to be a "wonderful counsellor" by only giving himself just the two grossly unsubtle options of what to do with people after they die, heaven or hell? Reincarnation would allow him to use his creativity to see each person as "a work in progress" if he so chose, to be improved over successive lifetimes. It's a bit like having the most powerful supercomputer in the universe, and then using it to play noughts and crosses. For eternity. That would be hell for God and is far too simplistic to be the truth. Cheers, P.R.
No.
Past lives is a demonic manifestation or memory manipulation.
elaborate
@@Cosmicmorales The Bible says in Hebrews 9 : 27 " and just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment".
The mind can be manipulated by humans to erase and create memories.... science shows us.
A woman who was demon possessed had claimed to have visited Jupiter or Saturn in a past life and had details unknown to man that were verified by one of the satellite missions.... showing us how demons can provide knowledge we did not experience or learn. Books and songs have been written through channeling spirits... or demonic possession. Mediums don't call upon the dead humans but demons impersonate them and provide information that fools the common man. Memory can be manipulated and isn't reliable evidence for reincarnation when there is another plausible possibility.
We are trapped in a prison planet a soul trap if you will we are all divine is-bes
Are you reading Rig Veda in the Hindu Kush mountains.
Since you don't believe in reincarnation, then God is indeed the God of the dead.
Just think about it?
Since you believe Jesus resurrected, doesn't that tell you that there is reincarnation?
After all, Jesud was "DEAD".
Then rose 3 days later.
But again, since you don't believe in reincarnation, where was Jesus before he was resurrected?
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Christianity Debunked
Turning to Rupert Sheldrake in a rebuttal of reincarnation "evidence" is like appealing to Ken Ham to argue against flat earth theory
Or appealing to snyde mockery when you don't have actual arguments to base yourself upon
@@Devious_Dave "It's only a snide comment when you want to dismiss it" - which is _exactly_ what the OP is doing, here. The speaker didn't bring up Sheldrake because of the excellency of his explanation (which I, too, care nothing about, as a chemist), but because it is a competitor to the reincarnation camp's claims; as for Ham, well, it is more of that snidery: Ham is a "crackpot" primarily because he supports YEC - which, regardless of the quality of whatever arguments he may forward in defense of it, was already long condemned to contempt in the secular tribunal of public opinion without recourse to appeal
the worse debunk ive ever seen lol .. past lives are real .. we arent just little pices of trash cmon now .. we are the uniuverse experincing humans not humas experiencing the universe we are much nmore powerfull then religion plays out to be
🐟 09. REINCARNATION (OR NOT):
Just as there is NOTHING about an individual person (neither any particle of matter, nor any mental object whatsoever) that remains intact from conception till death, there is NOTHING about the individual person (that is, the “ego”, as defined in the following chapter) that transfers to another body after death, except, perhaps, habitual tendencies in the form of indelible mental impressions (“vāsanā”, in Sanskrit).
For example, in my present incarnation, I have a strong affinity for the culture of Bhārata (India), a highly-advanced intellectual capacity, a very slim body, and an attraction to a frugivorous diet. That suggests there was an Indian spiritual master in the previous century who had some (or perhaps, even all) of these characteristics, but it was not “ME”, since what I am now is this ever-mutable Australian-born Aryan gentleman.
These “subtle mind impressions” are known in psychology as the “collective unconscious”, in new-age spirituality as the “akashic records”, and in Islam as the “Preserved Tablet”. There is an abundance of evidence that humans are born with certain psycho-emotive links to previous persons, times and places. It is far beyond the purview of this document to list such evidences. As mentioned, in my case, I have an EXTREMELY strong association with all things Indian, despite not being of Indian origin, and the “collective unconscious” hypothesis seems to be the best explanation for this bond currently available, in my opinion (although the term “collective conscious” would, perhaps, be more accurate).
For the popular view of reincarnation to be plausible, there would need to be an entity or an OBJECT called a “soul” (“jīva” or “ātman”, in Sanskrit), which somehow finds a copulating couple, then enters the woman’s uterus, to inhabit a zygote.
Assuming the existence of an individual spiritual soul is profoundly illogical, because spirit is (by most definitions) the antithesis of finite matter. Therefore, how can an immaterial “soul” be confined to a single person’s body?
It seems rather strange to believe that the universe was organized naturalistically in such a manner as to recycle an object called a “soul”, or even to recycle minds, particularly when one understands that a mind is naught but a series of flickering thoughts, feelings, images, and memories. Some believe that the “thing” that transfers to the next incarnation are the remnants of one's actions (“vāsanā” or “saṃskāra”, in Sanskrit) or at least one's psychological disposition (likes, dislikes, phobias, etcetera). This is far closer to the idea of the collective unconscious, and even if it is a perfectly accurate account of what occurs after death, it still cannot give substance to the notion of a SEPARATE individual who is travelling from one body to another and again to another (“saṃsāra”, in Sanskrit).
According to the law of conservation of energy, first proposed and tested by Émilie du Châtelet, energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. Both this law, and Dr. Leonard Susskind's minus-first law of physics, states that energy/information is indestructible. Since humans are composed of matter and energy, both the gross matter and the psychic energy of which we are composed, is not extinguished at the time of bodily demise. The analogy of one candle being lit by another candle is apt. Are the two flames the same flame or completely different flames? According to those laws, PART of the energy is transferred from one wick to the other wick, a portion of the energy is released by the flame, and part of the energy remains with the original candle.
Regarding reincarnation, a rather appropriate analogy could be that of a whirlpool in a stream of liquid. A whirlpool is a definite form within a river but, just like the human form itself, it is never static. Some water molecules that were once swirling within one whirlpool may move farther downstream, mix with other water particles, and form a new, distinct whirlpool.
So, in my particular case, it is eminently possible that a vast amount of “Indian energy” was transferred to my psyche from one or more persons from Bhārata (the proper name of the country), plus the addition of genetic matter from my Persian parents and their Aryan heritage. The fact that BOTH Iranians and North Indians are Aryan seems to add further credence to my hypothesis, even if to a small degree.
Of course, there is no conclusive proof for such types of claims at this stage in human history, but the evidence is certainly extant, and as mentioned, the profusion of evidence available goes far beyond the purview of this document. One ought to do one's own thorough research into the matter, rather than relying on anecdotal testimonies. There are several well-documented books and videos published on the subject.
There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that my essential nature has NOT transferred from one body to another body, because I have fully understood and realized, by practicing the four systems of yoga/religion described in Chapter 16, that my true nature is Brahman (see Chapters 06 & 10 to learn of the Real Self). There is no such thing as a “soul” or “spirit”, unless, of course, one defines those words to mean the subject (that is, the observer of all temporal phenomena), and logically, the subject cannot be an object, at least in the transactional sphere.
When I die, my physical body, composed of the five gross material elements (“sthūla-śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will be reabsorbed into the biosphere, whilst the non-tangible aspect of my body, composed of the three subtle material elements (“sūkṣma śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will possibly merge with the collective unconscious, and the story of my life will come to an end FOREVER. See Chapter 05 regarding the eight elemental groups. It seems likely, judging by the evidence, that the “vāsanā” of a deceased person may transfer to more than a single individual. That explains why there are so many persons at once claiming to be the reincarnation of certain famous personalities.
The fact that human life ends at death is difficult for many to accept, since they are thoroughly attached to their pseudo-egos, their intellects, their minds, their bodies, their loved-ones, and their possessions. However, when one realizes that one is not an ever-mutating, psycho-physical organism, but, essentially, never-changing, all-pervasive, peaceful, formless AWARENESS (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit), all fear is alleviated.
The only “thing” remaining of a person at the time of death is the only “thing” that has ever “existed” - Pure Unalloyed Awareness, or Eternal-Conscious-Peace (“sacchidānanda”, in Sanskrit). We do not normally dread the dreamless portions of our nightly sleep cycles, so why would we fear a more permanent period of existence similar to deep-sleep? This existential crises is the basis of most all angst and uneasiness. So, fear not - death is a normal, NATURAL, and even a necessary consequence of conception. That which has a beginning, surely must end.
Putting aside whether or not reincarnation is an accurate account of what happens in this world, it is ABSOLUTELY certain that we receive a completely new body approximately every seven years (via a gradual process, of course). Our first body was a microscopically-sized zygote and our present body is several kilograms heavier. From where has all that extra weight come? Obviously, it came from all the nutrients that we have absorbed via the umbilical cord in our mother's uterus, or via the food, air and water we have consumed since birth.
Therefore, one who believes that he is nothing more than the body-mind organism is grossly ignorant of basic biological science. Genetically, approximately half of the cells in the body are not even of human origin, believe it or not! We can all easily understand that our infantile body is completely and utterly different to our present-day form, so logically, our true identity must be something quite APART from it. Nothing, including one’s genetic code, remains constant from conception to death. The sense of self does not even make its appearance in our psyche until two or three years after conception. Therefore, a person is more accurately defined as a process (a verb), rather than an object (a noun).
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When I die, my physical body, composed of the five gross material elements (“sthūla-śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will be reabsorbed into the biosphere, whilst the non-tangible aspect of my body, composed of the three subtle material elements (“sūkṣma śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will possibly merge with the collective unconscious, and the story of my life will come to an end FOREVER. See Chapter 05 regarding the eight elemental groups. It seems likely, judging by the evidence, that the “vāsanā” of a deceased person may transfer to more than a single individual. That explains why there are so many persons at once claiming to be the reincarnation of certain famous personalities.
The fact that human life ends at death is difficult for many to accept, since they are thoroughly attached to their pseudo-egos, their intellects, their minds, their bodies, their loved-ones, and their possessions. However, when one realizes that one is not an ever-mutating psycho-physical organism, but, essentially, never-changing, all-pervasive CONSCIOUS AWARENESS (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit), all fear is alleviated.
The only “thing” remaining of a person at the time of death is the only “thing” which has ever “existed” - Pure Unalloyed Awareness, or Eternal-Conscious-Peace (“sacchidānanda”, in Sanskrit). We do not normally dread the dreamless portions of our nightly sleep cycles, so why would we fear a more permanent period of existence similar to deep-sleep? This existential crises is the basis of most all angst and uneasiness. So, fear not - death is a normal, NATURAL, and even a necessary consequence of conception. That which has a beginning, surely must end.
Putting aside whether or not reincarnation is an accurate account of what happens in this world, it is ABSOLUTELY certain that we receive a completely new body approximately every seven years (via a gradual process, of course). Our first body was a microscopically-sized zygote and our present body is several kilograms heavier. From where has all that extra weight come? Obviously, it came from all the nutrients that we have absorbed via the umbilical cord in our mother's uterus, or via the food, air and water we have consumed since birth.
Therefore, one who believes that he is nothing more than the body-mind organism is grossly ignorant of basic biological science. Genetically, approximately half of the cells in the body are not even of human origin, believe it or not! We can all easily understand that our infantile body is completely and utterly different to our present-day form, so logically, our true identity must be something quite APART from it. Nothing, including one’s genetic code, remains constant from conception to death. The sense of self does not even make its appearance in our psyche until two or three years after conception. Therefore, a person is more accurately defined as a process (a verb), rather than an object (a noun).
For the sake of philosophical IMPARTIALITY, it is germane to acknowledge the perspectives of other eminent pundits. E.g. In “Bhagavad-gītā”, one of the very greatest spiritual authorities the world has ever known, Lord Śri Krishna, uses the analogy of how the individual person (“ego”, in Latin, or “jīvātman”, in Sanskrit) travels through the various stages of life (that is, from childhood, to pubescent adulthood, to geriatric), with His description of the process of reincarnation, as conceived by the ancient seers (“ṛṣi” [rishi], in Sanskrit) of India (“Bhārata”, in Sanskrit).
“...each person is destined to die once...”
Anonymous (possibly Paul of Tarsus),
Letter to the Hebrews, 9:27.
N.B. Ironically, the author of the above letter was a close disciple (or at least a follower) of Lord Jesus of Nazareth, who, according to the New Testament portion of the Judeo-Christian holy book, raised his acquaintance, Lazarus, from the dead. Logically speaking, Lazarus must surely have died more than one time, as did the many dead persons who were supposedly raised from their graves at the crucifixion of Lord Jesus.
Assuming that Paul was the author of the Letter to the Hebrews, he himself even raised a young man from the dead (although, in that case, the man, Eutychus, was dead for only a very short period of time, so it was likely that he was merely unconscious, rather than fully deceased).
OBVIOUSLY, the writer means that, generally speaking, each individual person is destined for one life alone, as opposed to any alternative scenario such as reincarnation. Yet, as we now know, humans beings are not stable objects, but ever-mutating processes of mind and matter.
“The entity that is supposed to be reincarnated in another body, does not even itself exist, except as a concept!
How can a mere concept be reborn?”
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“When you are dead, you will be back in the primordial state of rest, which existed before you were born; that stillness before all experience.
It is only the false sense of a limited, separate 'me', that deprives life of its meaning and gives death an ominous significance, which it really does not have.”
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“The fear of death, is actually a product of the desire to perpetuate one's identity. Were you not dead before you were born?
Those who know Reality, know the falsehood of life and death.”
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“What is born, must in due course, die.
The objective body, will thereafter be dissolved and irrevocably annihilated.
What was once a sentient being, will be destroyed, never to be reborn.
But consciousness is not objective - not a thing at all.
Therefore, consciousness is neither born nor dies, and certainly cannot be 'reborn'.”
Ramesh S. Balsekar,
Indian Spiritual Teacher.
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This is Hinduism not Abrahamic Religions
But it's nice that You guys doing discussion on Eastern philosophy and religions
But that is the point of Apologetics, really; even though Atheists think they're the only ones entitled to the attention of apologists, Christians also have to address the evidences presented by the other faith-traditions and philosophies
@@thstroyur That is rather PRESUMPTUOUS of you, wouldn’t you agree, Slave?
Presumption is evil, because when one is PRESUMPTUOUS, one makes a judgement about a matter, despite having insufficient facts to support one’s position.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas @✝Reverend Dr. Thomas🌱 "That is rather PRESUMPTUOUS of you, wouldn’t you agree, Slave?" Really? Just like you referring to me as "Slave" is, "Reverend", as though I'm not familiar with Scripture myself?
Also, I never heard back why I'm being charged with "being PRESUMPTUOUS", exactly - was it that I mentioned "Atheists" without qualifying that I was talking about _Internet_ (New/village) Atheists, because - IDK - that was quite obvious? But I see you have a good point there; rather than undergoing a critical examination of the total lack of historical substance of your Protestantism (which I can sniff from your username - but pardon if that isn't so), let us instead play devil's advocate to the laziest brand of atheism out there in our modern world, because conceding epistemic points to that abject failure of the intellect somehow furthers the establishment of the Kingdom of the Lord...
Reincarnation is not just a Hindu or Dharmic belief. It is well rooted in Judaism.
@@thstroyur I regret to inform you, Slave, that your response is INCORRECT. 👎
The CORRECT answer is “Yes, Master”. ✅
Bless You Always, TYPICAL Arrogant Westerner! 😇
Everything in time and space is connected, so what about the possibility of some sort of 'bleed through' from other timelines?
Reincarnation was in bible too but 2nd council of Constantinople banned it. 😮