It’s so refreshing to hear someone talk about the difference between subcultures and looks/aesthetics. I’ve been thinking about it since seeing a post recommending “dark academia hobbies.” It felt a bit bleak, like the reverse of subcultures where people with common interests/thinking converge on a look. It makes me a bit sad since aesthetics have less of a basis for a community to form, I think, because the commonality is more shallow. I’m goth and the music-based aspect means I have something in common with other goths beyond our clothing and makeup preferences. Anyway, great video that touches on a lot that goes beyond the fashion world.
that actually is messed up how people are doing things like giving hobbies to the looks, absolutely wild how the hell did we get here and yeah it bugs me a lot too that’s why i talked about it this much, im glad this resonated with you 🙂↕️✊🏾
great video!! as someone who's been a part of the goth and punk scenes for a while this is also something i've noticed big time on social media. people who have never listened to, for example, a sisters of mercy or black flag song in their life or even just MET someone from the subcultures in person now think they know what it means to be part of that group because they saw a "__core" video on tiktok or some amazon search engine optimized item name lmao. it's like a big game of telephone. now does this really affect me? no not really lol. people can wear whatever they want and it's not like i'm gonna see them at concerts or whatever cus they really have no idea where their aesthetic came from. but it is very amusing to see people called goth or emo for just simply wearing a black shirt or whatever also thanks for the subtitles appreciate you for that!
Right, like the whole point of subcultures is being lost due to the soul of it being neglected, ppl don’t care but they don’t have to you know. Basically the bar is in hell
I think a sub culture is not bastardised if someone is using it just because they like the looks but they RESPECT it. Like know where it came from, why people from different subcultures are associated with the clothes etc instead of going "it ain't that deep bro it's just clothes" like ffs it ain't "just clothes" for these people
right i agree, that’s why i loved Kidill’s take on skate subculture because you can tell it means a lot to him. Marc Jacobs’ take felt flat empty and tone deaf in my opinion
@@Dolcejeanz marc Jacobs was tasked to make a sellable product which he made based on the trends of that time without proper analysis of the culture surrounding it
I feel that when it comes to clothing designed for specific purpose fashion has always gotten involved. We see this mostly with military influenced collections. I feel fashion should take influence from functional designs but not peoples lifestyles. We see fashion taking influence from people lifestyles all the time in trends such as athletic shoes and jerseys. A great way to develop your own style like skaters and workers is just to buy the most functional pieces for you. Designers however profit off of trends of course so they will make clothes inspired by lifestyles instead of practical designs. Loved the video.
a lot of the brands that create practical/utility based clothing just get grouped into either workwear or gorpcore tbh, but there’s barely any in between between functional clothes and clothes with pure visual appeal, unless it’s like a sweater or something intrinsically designed to keep one warm. And yeah the good looking stuff just sells way more so it’s a no brainer for these brands
amazing content, the bastardizarion of culture makes me feel gross labeling myself as a punk, a sentiment many people actually in the DIY mysic scene share, especially when balenciaga rips up some clothes, puts some lighter caps on it and sells it for 1500$ as avante grade #punk fashion. glad you could explain this in such an intelligent, succinct manner.
Came from your comment in Fashion Roadman stream. Man, you are on point. One thing I think about is one time i wanted to buy a boot and i was trying to make my wardrobe more nightime oriented, all the boots I find only typing boots were daytime or very feminine. The punk idea came in my mind and i searched "punk boots" or "doc martens boots", but seeing the ornamented boots and searching using the term only made me feel artificial and fake. In the end I use the punk sensibility, because they used Doc boots because it was a cheap workwear from the time for the coal mines, so I needed a workwear boot which were agressive, so I entered a military/police equipment store and buy one. And it was the best thing, because the boots are comfortable, because they were created to withstand a day of work and they are incredibly cheap.
That nonsense I said was just another thought I had about people losing track of why the styles of each subculture exist. Using the example I gave, if I bought a pair of boots using the term "punk" in the search, it would be hypocritical, because the way punks dressed made sense for the era they were in, but by recontextualizing "punk" when buying the reason became more authentic
all of this is so real, i literally avoid so many clothes because im not pretentious enough to try and label myself as a part of one of these subcultures, i just try and achieve the same emotional expression in more personal choices rather than where some type of trophy piece meant to scream “hey look at me! i’m ____!” glad you commented😀🤞🏾
This also happened to punk in the 80s thanks to designers like Vivienne Westwood and Pat McGrath, this is such an important topic I'm glad to see this video!
Vivienne westwood especially, but i don’t think she was really a problem seeing how new the movement was, and she was also intertwined with real driving forces of the movement like dressing the sex pistols, and she actively shared the same sentiments as punks on the street🤔
this is SOO UDERRATED i loved the thoughts on this video and i really think everyone should reflect on subcultures and OVERALL collectives in this way!! thank you so much for making my thoughts be seen 💋
the bastardization of punk culture is the one that gets me. ppl wearing punk clothes and rock punk aesthetics while not being political is so weird to me. without the politics, there would be no punk. i live in bushwick so this is unfortunately an everyday occurrence. poseurs, just galavanting around uninterrupted, smh makes me sick
I know alt subcultures have suffered from this a lot, I do also find it funny how the clothing styles nowadays have gotten so mixed up, I remember until a few years ago that baggy clothes meant you were some guy who was locked up for too long, probably into hood sh and gangster rap, now you get bling shirts, with baggy pants and goth boots with painted nails, the music tastes are also all mixed up now, I remember how goths and other subcultures called us names and thought rap was trash lol, there's no real set identity behind them nowadays, with only some people keeping the true spirit of those subcultures alive and still offering a space to find likeminded people. I still haven't suffered from this too much thankfully, chicano culture is popular but still hasn't reached that mainstream appeal yet (although maybe with its rise in popularity in asia it will probably start popping up sooner or later too, just like baggy clothes or certain styles that came back after asian countries started popularizing them)
yeah a lot of the silhouettes like baggy pants and tops got associated heavy with multiple different styles like baggy ripped with rap, black baggy with some hardware on them with goth/emo/rave, scene etc. So that’s why many people just go for big clothes then follow the easy color coding, accessorise a bit and BOOM complete. And unfortunately i think every culture will get exploited at some point so until that day brace yourself🫠🖤
great video, interesting topic and truly engaging delivery. i really liked the face you pulled after pronouncing the jp designer's name haha. hope your channel explodes
Woah under 1,000 subs? You got one more, im a big fashion fan and this is a really well thought out video. I have always been a part of the punk scene where im from, as a kid it felt like the only place to go. Its always been the community first and the “look” always had practical aspects - you can dance hard, you can repair your clothes, you dont worry about your boots getting dirty. I loved the look bc as a queer youth, it was very androgynous and customizable. Its sometimes frustrating when these tiktok kids forget that you might want to wear something for more than 15 seconds (and frustrating when fashion designers rip off poor ppl haha)
I think it’s so cool that you were active the scene back when it was so genuine and new and i can’ only imagine your frustration seeing the wrongful revision of your youth in real time😅
searching up about subcultures has giving me both headaches and clarity. im young so im still coming into stuff i like and why i like it. ive grown up on rock n roll music from guitar hero and whatever my uncle would put on the radio, and i went through like a punk and goth "phase" ( im still exploring it ) when i was in high school. but im just at the point where i like a lot of music and i like the style so im prob a poser i guess. p.s great video. very well made.
Totally agree. Also the copy and paste Pinterest aesthetics are sad not just because of consumerism and misunderstanding of subculture but also because it fundamentally goes against the self expression part of subculture. It’s all people who don’t fit in and go against social norms not to be quirky but because that’s who they are. You don’t need a to build a perfect idea of subculture but instead form your own and you’ll understand what you want and what you like. Most subcultures bleed into each other and especially in real life, most subculture spaces mix together because if their size and shared ideologies and it’s a chronically online take to separate them so much that it causes drama. We are all weird people usually in some form of marginalised community, why create all these divisions?
loved the video! subculture research is one of my special interests - so i‘d like to add some context :) technically, „posers“ have always been present in different scenes, even though the nature of their actions has changed significantly - for instance, in early (-ish) days of punk, it was middle class kids emulating what they deemed a „marginalized lifestyle“, both class and race wise, rather than mode of dress. a good read regarding this would be L.A.'s "White Minority": Punk and the Contradictions of Self-Marginalization by Daniel Traber (DOI:10.1353/CUL.2001.0040)
16:30 btw Visual Kei isn’t really revolved around music it is revolved around the look. There is no one sound to Vkei. Visual Kei came from Visually Shocking, so it is based on having very unconventional flashy looks. There are Vkei bands/artists that are pop, goth, punk, metal, traditional, electronic, etc. But the reason why they are considered Vkei is how they present themselves. But personally? I would refer to that type of archive curated getup as Oniikei Gyaruo style or “Older brother guy” style.
Love the vid ❤ but you definitely gotta look into the Gyaru subculture. There’s a lot of history and culture there if you look into it. It’s more than an aesthetic like coquette, it’s a lifestyle, spirit, and has a history (a subversion similar to punk in a lot of ways) gyarus have. Would love to hear your thoughts 💗
I was a raver in the 90s midwest (Massive mag or Drop Bass, anyone?). I loved fashion and had a subscription to both Sassy and Vogue. I still have my Sassy issue with Kurt & Courtney on the cover, as well as my Vogue issue with the Marc Jacobs feature with Kristen McMenamy and Nadja Auermann.
i describe myself as punk and goth. bc these are music based, lifestyle based, and especially MORAL based. i dont dress this way most of the time. but still in the community, we are debating how one should dress to be in the community instead of the fact that there are tons of racist and homophobic punks... edit: if you want to see commodification of subculture in real time, look at the decline of FRUiTs magazine. it became less about dressing how you want to dressing and hanging around akihabara just to get a photo taken
I never really bothered to look at fruits too much because i didn’t want my style being TOO influenced by others, but i’ve heard this sentiment before for sure. And yeah i wanted to talk about the moral part a lot actually cuz it’s like if you ask “punk/goth” kids about politics and capitalism and establishments nowadays they’ll say they dgaf which is…bad lol. And yeah those racist and homophobia problems definitely also should be the priority
I focused on grunge first because there’s a direct collection showing the broader problem on a concentrated level. Punk would be extremely difficult to pin down, navigate and then expound on😅
Packers jersey so is funny to me, I saw a girl wearing one in Warsaw and I know she has no idea how hated they are 😂 I'll give you a pass tho it is a cool color
@@Dolcejeanz I watched this video on the phone and I really appreciate the take that you had on it but I really wonder where is the line drawn in artistic interpretation or references and bastardization?
I suppose it’s really subjective and case to case but for me it would be down to execution, visible sincerity and consideration along with a designer’s explanation as to what exactly they were trying to achieve, how accurate the clothes actually were, price point, etc
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Damn bro i thought you'd have at least like 50k subscribers based on the video quality. Proper underrated
Thanks a lot man, hopefully they’ll come around🙂↕️✊🏾
definitely on his way🚀
@@DolcejeanzI’m 618 subscriber hehe
It’s so refreshing to hear someone talk about the difference between subcultures and looks/aesthetics. I’ve been thinking about it since seeing a post recommending “dark academia hobbies.” It felt a bit bleak, like the reverse of subcultures where people with common interests/thinking converge on a look.
It makes me a bit sad since aesthetics have less of a basis for a community to form, I think, because the commonality is more shallow. I’m goth and the music-based aspect means I have something in common with other goths beyond our clothing and makeup preferences.
Anyway, great video that touches on a lot that goes beyond the fashion world.
that actually is messed up how people are doing things like giving hobbies to the looks, absolutely wild how the hell did we get here
and yeah it bugs me a lot too that’s why i talked about it this much, im glad this resonated with you 🙂↕️✊🏾
great video!! as someone who's been a part of the goth and punk scenes for a while this is also something i've noticed big time on social media. people who have never listened to, for example, a sisters of mercy or black flag song in their life or even just MET someone from the subcultures in person now think they know what it means to be part of that group because they saw a "__core" video on tiktok or some amazon search engine optimized item name lmao. it's like a big game of telephone. now does this really affect me? no not really lol. people can wear whatever they want and it's not like i'm gonna see them at concerts or whatever cus they really have no idea where their aesthetic came from. but it is very amusing to see people called goth or emo for just simply wearing a black shirt or whatever
also thanks for the subtitles appreciate you for that!
Right, like the whole point of subcultures is being lost due to the soul of it being neglected, ppl don’t care but they don’t have to you know. Basically the bar is in hell
Nailed it man. Subcultures will invariably/ostensibly arise via the disenfranchised. Aesthetics are marketed & rooted in superficiality/consumerism.
Exactly that
I think a sub culture is not bastardised if someone is using it just because they like the looks but they RESPECT it. Like know where it came from, why people from different subcultures are associated with the clothes etc instead of going "it ain't that deep bro it's just clothes" like ffs it ain't "just clothes" for these people
right i agree, that’s why i loved Kidill’s take on skate subculture because you can tell it means a lot to him. Marc Jacobs’ take felt flat empty and tone deaf in my opinion
@@Dolcejeanz marc Jacobs was tasked to make a sellable product which he made based on the trends of that time without proper analysis of the culture surrounding it
comment for the algorithm because you deserve WAY more views!!
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I feel that when it comes to clothing designed for specific purpose fashion has always gotten involved. We see this mostly with military influenced collections. I feel fashion should take influence from functional designs but not peoples lifestyles. We see fashion taking influence from people lifestyles all the time in trends such as athletic shoes and jerseys. A great way to develop your own style like skaters and workers is just to buy the most functional pieces for you. Designers however profit off of trends of course so they will make clothes inspired by lifestyles instead of practical designs. Loved the video.
a lot of the brands that create practical/utility based clothing just get grouped into either workwear or gorpcore tbh, but there’s barely any in between between functional clothes and clothes with pure visual appeal, unless it’s like a sweater or something intrinsically designed to keep one warm. And yeah the good looking stuff just sells way more so it’s a no brainer for these brands
amazing content, the bastardizarion of culture makes me feel gross labeling myself as a punk, a sentiment many people actually in the DIY mysic scene share, especially when balenciaga rips up some clothes, puts some lighter caps on it and sells it for 1500$ as avante grade #punk fashion. glad you could explain this in such an intelligent, succinct manner.
Came from your comment in Fashion Roadman stream. Man, you are on point.
One thing I think about is one time i wanted to buy a boot and i was trying to make my wardrobe more nightime oriented, all the boots I find only typing boots were daytime or very feminine.
The punk idea came in my mind and i searched "punk boots" or "doc martens boots", but seeing the ornamented boots and searching using the term only made me feel artificial and fake.
In the end I use the punk sensibility, because they used Doc boots because it was a cheap workwear from the time for the coal mines, so I needed a workwear boot which were agressive, so I entered a military/police equipment store and buy one.
And it was the best thing, because the boots are comfortable, because they were created to withstand a day of work and they are incredibly cheap.
That nonsense I said was just another thought I had about people losing track of why the styles of each subculture exist.
Using the example I gave, if I bought a pair of boots using the term "punk" in the search, it would be hypocritical, because the way punks dressed made sense for the era they were in, but by recontextualizing "punk" when buying the reason became more authentic
all of this is so real, i literally avoid so many clothes because im not pretentious enough to try and label myself as a part of one of these subcultures, i just try and achieve the same emotional expression in more personal choices rather than where some type of trophy piece meant to scream “hey look at me! i’m ____!” glad you commented😀🤞🏾
Very well formulated points, no frills kind of structure, very enjoyable. You deserve way more exposure, subbed.
Thank you so much! appreciate the sub and the feedback a lot🙂↕️✊🏾
This also happened to punk in the 80s thanks to designers like Vivienne Westwood and Pat McGrath, this is such an important topic I'm glad to see this video!
Vivienne westwood especially, but i don’t think she was really a problem seeing how new the movement was, and she was also intertwined with real driving forces of the movement like dressing the sex pistols, and she actively shared the same sentiments as punks on the street🤔
AND THANK YOU
before punks, hippies got this same treatment too
this is SOO UDERRATED i loved the thoughts on this video and i really think everyone should reflect on subcultures and OVERALL collectives in this way!! thank you so much for making my thoughts be seen 💋
Thank you so much!!! Hopefully people can walk away from this vid with a different perspective🙂↕️😇
the bastardization of punk culture is the one that gets me. ppl wearing punk clothes and rock punk aesthetics while not being political is so weird to me. without the politics, there would be no punk. i live in bushwick so this is unfortunately an everyday occurrence. poseurs, just galavanting around uninterrupted, smh makes me sick
U so good damn RUclips Algo is gonna do it's thing
Thank you so much!! i hope it does🙂↕️✊🏾
I know alt subcultures have suffered from this a lot, I do also find it funny how the clothing styles nowadays have gotten so mixed up, I remember until a few years ago that baggy clothes meant you were some guy who was locked up for too long, probably into hood sh and gangster rap, now you get bling shirts, with baggy pants and goth boots with painted nails, the music tastes are also all mixed up now, I remember how goths and other subcultures called us names and thought rap was trash lol, there's no real set identity behind them nowadays, with only some people keeping the true spirit of those subcultures alive and still offering a space to find likeminded people.
I still haven't suffered from this too much thankfully, chicano culture is popular but still hasn't reached that mainstream appeal yet (although maybe with its rise in popularity in asia it will probably start popping up sooner or later too, just like baggy clothes or certain styles that came back after asian countries started popularizing them)
yeah a lot of the silhouettes like baggy pants and tops got associated heavy with multiple different styles like baggy ripped with rap, black baggy with some hardware on them with goth/emo/rave, scene etc. So that’s why many people just go for big clothes then follow the easy color coding, accessorise a bit and BOOM complete.
And unfortunately i think every culture will get exploited at some point so until that day brace yourself🫠🖤
Late ninties saw a lot of chicana fashion appropriated into fashion, i always look at gwen stefani for example….
great video, ngl i teared up a little there when you talked about the skaters and having something that takes you away from real life
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great video, interesting topic and truly engaging delivery. i really liked the face you pulled after pronouncing the jp designer's name haha. hope your channel explodes
Woah under 1,000 subs? You got one more, im a big fashion fan and this is a really well thought out video. I have always been a part of the punk scene where im from, as a kid it felt like the only place to go. Its always been the community first and the “look” always had practical aspects - you can dance hard, you can repair your clothes, you dont worry about your boots getting dirty. I loved the look bc as a queer youth, it was very androgynous and customizable. Its sometimes frustrating when these tiktok kids forget that you might want to wear something for more than 15 seconds (and frustrating when fashion designers rip off poor ppl haha)
I think it’s so cool that you were active the scene back when it was so genuine and new and i can’ only imagine your frustration seeing the wrongful revision of your youth in real time😅
@@Dolcejeanz its cool i go to a lot of all ages shit still. The kids are angrier than ever and active about it. Fashion comes and go, so do attitudes
searching up about subcultures has giving me both headaches and clarity. im young so im still coming into stuff i like and why i like it. ive grown up on rock n roll music from guitar hero and whatever my uncle would put on the radio, and i went through like a punk and goth "phase" ( im still exploring it ) when i was in high school. but im just at the point where i like a lot of music and i like the style so im prob a poser i guess.
p.s great video. very well made.
im glad the youtube algorithm brought me here!! interesting stuff being said and also you have the most relaxing voice ever possibly
Thank you so much! i’m glad you enjoyed it🙂↕️✊🏾🖤
neh!🤌
Very well spoken and so many great points. Amazing takes as well.
Thanks a lot man🙂↕️
Totally agree. Also the copy and paste Pinterest aesthetics are sad not just because of consumerism and misunderstanding of subculture but also because it fundamentally goes against the self expression part of subculture. It’s all people who don’t fit in and go against social norms not to be quirky but because that’s who they are. You don’t need a to build a perfect idea of subculture but instead form your own and you’ll understand what you want and what you like. Most subcultures bleed into each other and especially in real life, most subculture spaces mix together because if their size and shared ideologies and it’s a chronically online take to separate them so much that it causes drama. We are all weird people usually in some form of marginalised community, why create all these divisions?
loved the video! subculture research is one of my special interests - so i‘d like to add some context :) technically, „posers“ have always been present in different scenes, even though the nature of their actions has changed significantly - for instance, in early (-ish) days of punk, it was middle class kids emulating what they deemed a „marginalized lifestyle“, both class and race wise, rather than mode of dress. a good read regarding this would be L.A.'s "White Minority": Punk and the Contradictions of Self-Marginalization by Daniel Traber (DOI:10.1353/CUL.2001.0040)
Soooo underrated it’s crazy
16:30 btw Visual Kei isn’t really revolved around music it is revolved around the look. There is no one sound to Vkei. Visual Kei came from Visually Shocking, so it is based on having very unconventional flashy looks. There are Vkei bands/artists that are pop, goth, punk, metal, traditional, electronic, etc. But the reason why they are considered Vkei is how they present themselves.
But personally? I would refer to that type of archive curated getup as Oniikei Gyaruo style or “Older brother guy” style.
Love the vid ❤ but you definitely gotta look into the Gyaru subculture. There’s a lot of history and culture there if you look into it. It’s more than an aesthetic like coquette, it’s a lifestyle, spirit, and has a history (a subversion similar to punk in a lot of ways) gyarus have. Would love to hear your thoughts 💗
I was a raver in the 90s midwest (Massive mag or Drop Bass, anyone?). I loved fashion and had a subscription to both Sassy and Vogue. I still have my Sassy issue with Kurt & Courtney on the cover, as well as my Vogue issue with the Marc Jacobs feature with Kristen McMenamy and Nadja Auermann.
That’s crazy!!! do you actually lived through the genuine golden eras and you’ve also seen the switch in real time🫨
awesome and authentic content. damn...I wish you best
thank you so much🙂↕️🖤
i describe myself as punk and goth. bc these are music based, lifestyle based, and especially MORAL based. i dont dress this way most of the time. but still in the community, we are debating how one should dress to be in the community instead of the fact that there are tons of racist and homophobic punks...
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if you want to see commodification of subculture in real time, look at the decline of FRUiTs magazine. it became less about dressing how you want to dressing and hanging around akihabara just to get a photo taken
I never really bothered to look at fruits too much because i didn’t want my style being TOO influenced by others, but i’ve heard this sentiment before for sure.
And yeah i wanted to talk about the moral part a lot actually cuz it’s like if you ask “punk/goth” kids about politics and capitalism and establishments nowadays they’ll say they dgaf which is…bad lol. And yeah those racist and homophobia problems definitely also should be the priority
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Daaamn they burned his clothes
this content is so good!!! subbed for more
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Such a sick video man!
Glad you liked it!🥸🖤
thought u would start from punk's bastardization, but loved this perspective acc
I focused on grunge first because there’s a direct collection showing the broader problem on a concentrated level. Punk would be extremely difficult to pin down, navigate and then expound on😅
For the algorithm, great video
u so real
I really enjoyed this video
Glad you enjoyed it
Been waiting for this one 🙏
got it out as fast as i could😅🖤
Packers jersey so is funny to me, I saw a girl wearing one in Warsaw and I know she has no idea how hated they are 😂 I'll give you a pass tho it is a cool color
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funny to see an ig mutual pop up on my recommended lmao
LMAO everything’s moving so fast rn
Great video
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what the flip i thought there would be more subscribers n views 😭
stick around man, one day
i wonder how you feel about raf simons interpretation of punk in his runways
Same way i feel about most raf stuff, very on the nose. The styling is always good and ahead of its time though
@@Dolcejeanz I watched this video on the phone and I really appreciate the take that you had on it but I really wonder where is the line drawn in artistic interpretation or references and bastardization?
I suppose it’s really subjective and case to case but for me it would be down to execution, visible sincerity and consideration along with a designer’s explanation as to what exactly they were trying to achieve, how accurate the clothes actually were, price point, etc
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Me too 🤞