Do You Really Need eBike Specific Tyres For Your eMTB?
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- Choosing the right tyre can be tricky, being the most important contact point you want to ensure you get it right. When choosing tyres you have to think about what terrain you're riding, frame clearance and whether to choose eBike-specific tyres. Rich Payne sheds some light on why you should choose certain tyres, specifically for your eMTBs to help you gain traction and hopefully save some money as well!
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0:00 - Intro
0:40 - Stock Tyres
1:47 - Weight VS Reward
3:31 - Durability
4:23 - Pressure
5:47 - Ride Quality
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What tyres are you using at the moment? Are they E-Bike specific? Let us know in the comments! 👇
I use on Tubless front tyre Bontrager XR4 Team Issue TLR 29"x2.6 and rear Bontrager XR4 Team Issue TLR 29"x2.4 on my Canyon Neuron On 7. So far rode 2400km and they are still in good conditions despite being a softer compound. So it has good grip and you feel like more stable climbing and descending. But on street if you run on a harder tyre you don't feel the "drag" of a softer tyre. ( the bike roles faster). Now I'm considering changing for any other brand. Any reco? Thanks and good work as always!
I had the manufacturer tyres on (Continental TRAIL something) until i had too many puntures, now I ride Schwalbe Johnny Watts because they have the best puncture protection, a smooth roll and long life. I need that because I use my EMTB for commuting in the city during the week and I used to have flats every other week from glass and other debris, but not anymore, the Watts are amazing.
What model are the tyres? I know there Pirelli but I noticed on the website there a different ones.. I’s there a front and rear model like the maxxis.. thanks
After pinch flats with the stock Butchers on my Specialized Levo, I run Maxxis Assegai 29" Double Down on both my full power and Trek Fuel exe mid-power eMTB here in the desert of Arizona. Always looking for advice on strong sidewall, but grip on all the loose, dry gravel here.
I run e rated tires there is no question it makes a difference!
It’s interesting to hear so much about weight of the bike. If these bikes are 30 lbs heavier than an analog bike, wouldn’t the same tyre logic also apply for a rider that is 30 lbs heavier than another riding that same analog bike?
Hey no fair your making too much sense 🤣you are correct in my opinion. I do run regular tires in my trek rail and ride pretty rocky conditions with no issues.
@@BH-cy9tb 👊
I often run up to 150kg on my MTB (kid on back, gear, me, bike). I've been upgrading to emtb components due to load capacity and robustness... It's worked really well for me.
Its not only about weight. In my case it was momentum of the motor + legs that teared weak sidewals of cheap schwalbe tire. Its better to pay little more and not have to go back by bus.
Same fix - few more psi/kpa
EMTB specific tires are pointless IMO. Couple of reasons behind my thinking.
1. The unsprung weight of a EMTB vs a regular MTB are pretty similar.
2. Rider weights have more impact than bike weight. Rider weight varies from 60Kg to 120Kg, so having a 24Kg bike is pretty insignificant
I use Assegais at the moment.
Corporations will try to drag you into "ebike specific parts due to the increased weight".
Guess what, rider weight counts more as a lightweight rider on an ebike still has less overall weight than a heavy rider on a regular bike.
The only thing you don't have to worry as much on an ebike is drag.
I can tell you there is a bit more then just weight factors that goes in to making good ebike spec tires. While I can't comment on the specific tire in this video if you think corporation are just trying to drag you in(and yes there is some BS) you would be wrong. That is not to say you can't get a good non E tire that works well for your needs it's to say they are legitimate ebike spec tires and parts as well.
Use thick slicks. Lots of grip, don't ride in dirt.
I really like my Vittoria e-Agarro 2.6" for my eBike and use them on both Front and Rear. On the rear, I reverse the rotation that results in excellent Stability and Traction! These tires give me the confidence I was looking for. I run 20 PSI in the rear and 18 PSI in front!
Honestly, I have been wanting tires with stiffer sidewalls for a long time, so based off of that , I have to agree on ebike specific tires. I like to corner hard , and i also like running low tire pressures, but as everyone knows, thin sidewall tires will def fold when cornering hard. So, i will run stiffer sidewall tires on my Jamis Hardline enduro , and on my Polygon Colossus n8e. Happy days. Hope someone finds the information useful. Cheers!
I’ve always rode with Continental tyres on my Emtb, De Baron up front and Trail King on the rear ! My reasoning fantastic grip up front and a slightly more playful grip on the rear in wet and dry………. Both at 2.4 , love em !!
My maxxis DHF/DHR combo have been always predictable and reliable, But i switched to Eddy Current , that is the tyre i was looking for.
A bit slower roller due to the 2.6/ 2.8 size and lower pressure but bombproof for any situations, punctures proof, save my rims on many occasions. So i don t ride anymore, i Surf !!!
My ebike came with specialized Butcher grid t9 front,Eliminator grid t7 rear.I run 20 psi front 24 psi rear,500 miles on them most rides on bike flow trails , jump trails and big rock gardens no flats great performance! Wear hardly noticeable yet ! Me and bike at about 270 lbs.
Sounds a load of bolocks to me :') You don't see tyres being advertised to heavier riders do you? SO what does 10kg on a bicycle matter?
I'm 105kg. Does that mean I need an E mtb tyre as opposed to my friend who is 80kg on a standard analogue bike?
Great video Rich, one comment we have noticed a considerable range decrease with heavier tires, not rocket science but something else to consider if you have a smaller capacity battery or want to go on epic adventures!!!!!!!!!
Depends what and where you ride. For me, i don’t want to risk getting flats, so i go heavier on tires, like DD or DH casing in maxxis or gravity in specialized.
Yup. Some riding areas have nearly no rocks or roots, while my local area is nothing if not rocks and lava cap, many really sharp rocks. Some stouter tires are in my future.
It seems like the front doesnt need as heavy a tire, but it couldnt hurt.
Its funny how some bicycle tires cost more than tires I buy for my dirt bikes. Or just as much.
Just the cost of doing business. The Pirelli Scorpion can be found at a decent price, they come in 3 ratings and I havent found out what the S M R actually mean.
Fast rolling tyres like Vittoria Barzo + higher pressure and sealant - perfect to long gravel trail rides.
MTB is not only rocks and roots ;)
I'm 67 kilos. Ride with what came with the Turbo Levo - Butcher and Eliminator. I'm finding that around 14psi suits me for all terrain. I don't jump or take corners superfast so the set-up suits me just fine.
I switched to only using DH or DoubleDown tyres last summer, because i got fed up of pinch flats and sidewall tears up in the hills. Also inserts. Nice thing about an ebike is that you don't have to worry about the tyre weight quite so much
For the last two years I’ve been on an Assegais in the front ( love the soft compound) and a DHR in the back, but in order to mitigate issues that we’re raised in the video I’ve also installed a set of tire inserts. This allows me to run the lower pressures desired while still providing the support. Yes, the tire inserts add some weight also, but as was said, it’s really a moot point on a full powered emtb.
I run these Pirelli emtb tyres with the Scorpion S on the front the the R on the rear. Bike is mullet, and I run cush core on carbon giant TRX wheels. Rider weight with a backpack and water is around 74kg and i run 14 psi Rear and 12 psi front for most trails. If they're really rocky trails i'll go 15-16 rear and 14 front.
I am going to swap the rear tyre from the R to the S so i have more grip. But for how low the tread profile is on the R, the have a heap of grip, but the best thing I've found is that they tyres are super predicatble and don't just let go. They also recover really quickly from traction loss in both really loose rocky, and mud.
The thinking is, the Scorpion S is a tough enough sidewall to skip and bash thru rocks with?
Im 165 lbs, bike is 53 lbs.
I have a Levo SL and was running the stock Specialize enduro spec tires. They were inexpensive but didn't last and at low pressure on banked turns they would get squirrelly. I now run Schwalbe Magic Mary Downhill Soft up front and Big Betty Downhill Soft on the rear. Yes, they are slower rolling and more expensive, but the performance improvement was dramatic, especially for winter riding. I can run under 20psi with no squirming on the banks. Worth every penny and the penalties are insignificant considering I have a motor (albeit a weak one).
Im running Vittoria E-Agarro front and rear on my trek rail. Not beacause of the grip but they have a beefier carcass compared to the trail version. Im still using inserts thou for maximum sturdiness.
I went for Micheline eWild performance this year release tires and honestly I'm really love them
Side wall thickness isn’t hype or marketing.its a massive difference in feel and performance.
Do eMTB specific tires have sidewalls that are designed to counter the tangential shear between tread and bead due to the increased torque and weight during acceleration and braking?
Do emtbs apply significantly (measurably) more force of this nature? How much force is required to tear apart a tyre? Weight isn't really a material consideration, rider weight is more significant then the total bike weight let alone the difference in weight over a mtb. Total forces applied to a tyre are going to be limited by traction.
Depends on the EMTB.
For my 17.5kg Levo SL, I’ll run an EXO front, EXO+ or DD rear
For my 24kg Full Fat, I run the same EXO front, but DH Rear tire.
I never have issues with EXO front tire because I’m running g a wide 35mm rim which means the walls don’t squirm and deform as easily
EThirteen Grappler DH (front) & Enduro casings (rear) (MOPO compound), which gets swapped to an EThirteen LG1 Semi Slick DH casing rear tire only, depending on conditions.
Recent faves : Vee Tire Attack HPL F/R DH casing. (Vee Tire produces tires for EThirteen)
Rich, did try the Michelin E Wild on my Levo. Back tyre wasn’t that great and it split along the rim within a few months. Have replaced that with a Specialized Eliminator and it works great.
Assegai maxxgrip DD
I have a rock rider est 100 . I would like to run on touring gravel tyres hopefully helping battery efficiency. Is this fessiable
Hi Richard, so im currently on Michelin dh22's f/r...these i feel are heavy rubber but im not bothered the grip and confidence that they give far out weighs my riding(mainly trail oriented) I'm on a trek powerfly 5 hardtail full fat flinger that I've upgraded to chew my local roots.
I’m running some Kenda Nevegal 2 pro with Tannus tyre amour.. works well, lower pressures, no punctures, no pinch flats
I have always had good luck with just running Maxxis EXO + front and back. Very rarely do I get a flat or puncture. I am a big fatso on my e bike. Around 270lbs. And ride pretty rocky trails. I keep the front about. 23psi but the rear at 28. Seems to work ok.
I had Michelin dh22 and ran low pressure at 20 front and 23 rear. They were just to grips and dragged on the battery something fierce! So I think it’s what your comfortable with and how it effects the battery life.
I run DH tires in Squamish, but also on my regular bike at 20 psi
I had a set of Nobby Nics with my bike ,, after about 2 weeks and the side walls was cut on the side walls I changed to a set of Michelin ewild and nether looked back , some much grip everywhere and feel very secure.. when they are offer I buy some types so now have 3 sets ready to change when needed but they seam to be lasting for ever and still have good grip too.. I run them tubeless about 25psi which covers most types of riding.
My haibike allmtn 7 came with maxis .I keep the pressure high on them and don’t have any problems.
My YT Decoy came with exo on the front and exo+ on the rear. Front sidewall buckled in hard corners, replaced almost immediately. Rear has shone a lot of wear in about 250 miles.
Another argument against using cheap short life tyres or any bike product really, is the waste aspect. I know many of us mountain bikers don't really consider the environment when assembling our dream bikes (mineral oil brakes and unrecyclable brake pads, who came up with that) but reducing petroleum based waste is really something every biker should want.
Got a dissector on the front of mine and came with a rekon on the rear, the rekon is out of its depth in our winter so got a DHR which I am yet to test yet as the weather is appalling 😢
On my levo, running stock tires. When stock wears out, my go to is dd maxx terra dhr and assagai exo plus maxx grip, same combo on my decoy.
The tires as a massive influence in the ridding , and even more in battery drain. I Use the following combo F/R: Schwalbe Eddy Current Super-trail ADDIX Ultra Soft / Continental Kryptotal-RE Downhill Soft . But i'm eager to try as a front tire the Pirelli Scorpion Race Enduro M or T. For watts saving for long trail rides I go for the cheap combo Vittoria e-Mazza / Vittoria e-Agarro
So, what do the ratings mean on the Scorpion tires? The S is the lightest duty, M and T are both heavier sidewall?
As tires go the Scorpion is not badly priced.
So. Should I use the tires that come on the bike until they’re no good (maxxis with tubes). Should I throw them away immediately and get emtb specific tires? I’ll be running them tubeless.
Ok so….question. By this logic, wouldn’t every rider over 90kg need to use gravity casing tires? I weigh 113kg, so shouldn’t I be ripping the casing on all my bikes? 🤔
I do use thicker casing and rear inserts on my eMtb and on my big trail/enduro bike. But I don’t on my hardtail and I ride techy stuff…not ripping my casing or burning through tires.🤷🏾♂️
This video seems like there’s some hyperbole going on. IJS.
I went from Conti Argotal Downhill Super Soft to Argotal Enduro Soft and was surprised, how "bad" the Enduro version of this tire is. The Downhill Super Soft has tons of grip in all situations but is on the heavy side. I went for a Specialized Hillbilly T9 on the front now and am amazed. It has the same ore more grip than the super soft Conti but is about 300gr. lighter.
I think tire choice really doesn't have much to do with whether it's an emtb or not. It's got more to do with how aggressively you ride and what you want from your tire. Personally I have had zero issues with 27.5 x 2.8 DHF & DHRII with Exo casings that came stock on the bike. I'm perfectly happy with the level of grip, wear rate, & puncture resistance for my riding. I actually like the feeling of softer sidewalls. I'm sure there are more demanding riders that find benefit to a stiffer sidewall but I'd actually see it as a negative for my riding style. Same for softer compounds. Yes they give huge confidence but I don't want a tire that wears out and looses knobs super fast... tires are too expensive for that! The fact it's an emtb doesn't make much difference... rider weights or size of back pack probably make a bigger difference to system weight... but really tires need to suit how aggressively you ride.
I'm on my second dissector on the rear of my Rise (1500 miles on the 1st). Works a treat in combination with an Assegai on the front on natural woodland trails in the UK. My mate can out climb me and another friend on a Wild with 2.6 minions both ends on some slippery stuff on his rise with a stock setup, dissector F and a rekon R. He is about 9 stone ringing wet though, but he sure can climb 😅
Personally, I go for something like Schwalbe Hans Dampf Addix, then use Nukeproof Horizon Advanced Rim Defence tyre inserts. 14 PSI front, 16 PSI rear, great wet grip and puncture free rock gardening (tubeless of course). Not too unbearable road cornering at 20mph, but if so, top up with a CYCPLUS Tiny Electric Bike Pump.
To note, bike + rider weight increase could only be around 30% on eBike. Although this is amplified when we consider tyre compression under impact (impulse load).
I am on my 3rd Scorpion Emtb tyre set.. I am getting almost 2x the mileage over Maxxis Assegai and similar grip..Bike is Norco Range VLT C2.. Never had a flat or tire failure. I’m very impressed with the scorpions.. And highly recommend. My rider ability would be above average.. Terrain ridden is mostly bike Parks with lots of jumps and technical sections.
Thanks for sharing, that's great to know :)
iI've been running Maxxis Assegai, MaxxGrip/EXO+, Tubeless. They have been really solid but struggle on the clay soil of the mendips during the winter months (clogging).
After riding standard MTB tyres for 2 years and burning through the treads due to the weight of both myself, my panniers and the bike I changed to the eRuban Plus from Continental as they are rated for 50kmh rides (I know I am overdoing the rating) and these are guaranteed for 12 months so a no brainier. Been riding the ever since and would hate have to change. 100% confident riding.
I use maxies dhr front I think and aggresor rear 2.3 mtb tyres on my trek rail tubeless and never get a flat in competition and out on the trails ,fingers crossed.
Magic Mary super gravity 2.6 front big Betty super gravity 2.4 on the rear
Also run cushcore pro inserts front and back
I use eliminator and a butcher on my Giant. Works great those trail tires were very sketchy
maxxis dd casing for my emtb, anything on the regular ones
Double Down or higher equivalent...
I run Continental tyres front and rear.
29x2.6 - Continental Argotal Enduro Soft (F)... 27.5x2.6 - Continental Kryptotal Rear Enduro Soft, out back.
Tyres are oversized (front is almost 2.8") and plenty durable.
For mind, these tyres are somewhere between a DD and DH casing... YMMV
PS - don't get me started on suspension!! Bit of a conundrum this one... 36mm minimum up front & coil only, out back (NB, on full phatty).
PSS - w/ all these SL rigs dropping - we'll be spec'in SID forks!?
Re, pressures... 22-24psi up front, 26-28psi out back... on a trail bike (I would never run these tyres on a trail bike).
For Amish Trail Bike - I'd be 4-6 psi lower.
Same for suspension, around 10 psi more in fork and 50 pounds higher for coil spring.
Intense tazer mx pro, 29x2.5 exo+ Assegai up front 26 psi, 27.5x2.8 exo+ dhr2 30psi. No inserts
I run Maxis Double Down tires with Cushcore on my e-bike. I am a very heavy rider.
I have an extra set of maxis DH(downhill) casing tires and I'm thinking maybe its a good idea to put them on my ebike(canyon spectral:on). What do you guys think?
DHRs or DHFs? Go ahead -- I use a DHF 2.8 at the rear, and a DHF 2.4 front. Have not failed me for the past 6months.
@@jeremie8730 sorry I was not clear I meant downhill casing tires. I have double down or enduro tires now. Assegai in the front and DHR 2 in the back. I have the same models as spares from my DH bike, just in DH casing so wondering if its a good idea to use them instead on my ebike?
@@mece700 I would!
DH casings can be quite stiff for my needs since I don't ride DHs, hence I only use EXO casings -- DHFs, DHRs, Assegais.
But my bike is 29Kgs, hence I won't mind using DH casings. With a heavy bike + 75kgs of rider weight + a couple more Kgs for my bag, the ride may be stiffer but oh boy -- I'll ride those DH casings wherever I please!
Ride safe!
i just got on my CANNONDALE Moterra Neo 2, some smart sams 29x2.6 coz I started to go most on asfalt and less on ground, and I really miss that "tracktor feel" that my Maxxis Minion DHF EXO RT 29x2.5 was giving. I confess that i'm less loud on asfalt and it seems to go faster, but..... IDK..... i'm not really happy.
My 'new' Yamaha 7 came with a DHF front and a Rekon rear. I replaced the Rekon immediately w/a DHR. The Rekon is NFG as a rear tire choice here on the wet coast of Canazuela
The BEST rear tire I have used so far was a Michelin Wild AM that I wore out and it never lost pressure but, it only went for about 1000 km
My problem is the COST of these tires. YIKES! I'm always digging through old stock at bike shops
I do use the Pirelli's featured as they work better for me than normal Magic Mary and Big Betty combo, I'm on an Trek Exe a sub 20 kgs E bike, but I'm 95 kgs and these work really well. One question i have is, I see you are using the 'M' Mixed tyre on the rear, where as i have the Rear specific, how do you find the difference? PS can you ask the comments to stop trying to autocorrect "TYRE"!!!!
Specialized Grid Gravity on the kenevo 👍
same here. used the stock tyres until now. no problems at all
on my commencal meta power 27.5 my wheels are built with arc 40 rims , rear surly dirt wizard 3.0 front maxxis dhr2.8. on my fuel exe i ditched the scary stock bontrager 2.5 rs tires which with no intermediate knobs was an invitation to multiple fractures for assegai 2.6 on both. i’m an old dude who doesn’t willingly get air so to you young huckers 120 tpi assegai probably won’t do but if you want maximum traction on the ground the design of the assegai works.
Tires should be selected for the terrain in which you drive. I have an e-bike for forest paths and the lighter tires work perfectly. My enduro bike has tires designed for difficult terrain... period :)
I switched to schwalbe mary/betty soft trail casings
DH casings, CC pro, with a meganorris hamburger on top of the CC pro front and back 5psi no flats or rim failure in 6 years (but my levo got stolen in November)
The stock tires on my Canyon Spectral ON, are decent heavy duty but not the heaviest.
The rear is a Maxxis with DHR letters on it. When I catch the wrong rock sliding thru a corner, catch the tire, the noise made makes me think the tire is closer to death. Pop!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Havent wrecked it yet.
I will put a tougher tire on the thing.
What about a non-Ebike tire with inserts like CushCore that give sidewall support?
That could work as well!
Yeah I've always ran Maxxis DHF with DownHill casings on my ebike. I don't care what they weigh because my bike outputs 1780 peak watts.
Assegai front,exo caseing,rear aggressor or assegai exotic caseing.
Bontrager SE4 Team Issue 2.60 on Cube EXC 750
I have a fairly light mid-power emtb, about 42 lbs. I use a Maxxis Assegai/DHR2 combo with the EXO+ casing, which is step up from the regular EXO casing I use on my regular trail bike. With Maxxis you can choose EXO, EXO+, Double Down, or Downhill casings, and different compounds (MaxxTerra, MaxxGrip, Dual, etc.), so just choose which casing works best for your weight, terrain, and riding style. Other tire brands have similar options, so calling something emtb specific is just marketing.
Thanks for the comment! Have you found much difference in ride quality with the different casing?
@@embn The tires that came on the bike were Bontrager SE5, and they have pretty beefy sidewalls. I did feel like the thicker sidewalls provide some damping, which I mainly notice on fast, chunky downhills. This seems to make them more planted rather than getting bounced around in the chunk. The lighter sidewalls feel a little more supple on small bumps, but the difference is pretty small. I do use a little lower pressure with the thicker sidewalls, and that makes them feel similar to the thinner sidewalls. I don't really notice a difference in feel between EXO and EXO+, but if I went to a DD or DH casing it would probably be more noticeable.
I also used the Maxxis Assegai 2.5/DHR2 2.4 combo with EXO+ casings on my 2023 Specialized Levo SL weighing 42 pounds; but, recently switched to the DHF 2.5 on the front because it initiates turns better than the Assegai for my riding in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of western US.
no its just the mtb marketing team doing what they do best, classify every single part into a category.
You're right on most ebike specific products.
However when it comes to tyres I disagree. See my comment above.
@@eScapes1 when it comes to tires its personnal imo. At the end of the day its still a tyre, another ancient tech we had forever... MTB is a joke in my eyes at this point. Soooo happy i work for a trail building company so i get huge discounts on my mtb's. I pay cost + 15% off, and thats how it should be priced for anyone who wants one, because the market price is so artificially inflated it hurts to look at price tags and it hurts even more watching people pay so much money for something that is not even close to being worth the actual price tag. At this point, the MTB world is taking advantage of its clients, justl ike any other business... this world is such in a bad place that we accept the unnaceptable.
Ive had my Electric bike nearly two years next month,It had replacament tires,They where replaced nearly a year ago,The tire grips are starting to wear down a little bit,Get about another 5 months out of the tires,Be replacing them again,Not just to be safe,Also if tires wear down to much,They will get thin,Getting Punchers a lot as well,Also replaced the inner tubes as well to slime inner tubes,Since Ive done that,Not even had one Puncher ever since,The tires been pumped up,Stayed pumped up
I cant find tires made to climb, most of the tires are for DH.
I think main reason why many manufacturers spec with lightweight tyres is as simple as shedding weight. And make it look good on paper. One can easily shave of almost a kg on lightweight tyres vs dh casing. So many and me included. Get the bike, buy new tyres add weight. And suddenly the spec weight goes from 23 to 24kg. And thinking of environment i dont think this is a good solution. Many of us just throw away stock tyres after replacement. Should be a standard tyre weight (lets say 1200 gram) for bike manufacturers. This would be less deceiving for buyers. And i dont think as many ebikes would come stock with lightweight trail casing.
110kg person on normal MTB vs 75kg person on EMTB can use same tyres... True.
The only thing I look for is a DH/enduro casing, weight is not a consideration for me on an Ebike.
It seems to me that emtb tyres are just marketing mumbo. Look at the tyre compound, size and weight specs. Every emtb tyre I have researched has identical specs to the mtb "enduro" equivalent. They are just a heavier (than xc/trail) mtb tyre with a special logo on the side. Some have different tread patterns (Schwalbe comes to mind) but most don't. A full powered emtb is going to come in at 20-26kg. So 6-12kg more than a mid spec, mid travel mtb (14kg). I weigh 80kg, and can happily ride "trail" carcass tyres. So does someone who weighs 96kg suddenly need special tyres? Do I need special tyres if I load a backpack for longer days out on the bike? What about someone who is far faster than me, hits jumps and large drops at speed? Emtbs are not magic, they are not so heavy that they operate in a different realm. They arguably need mildly heavier/more durable/stronger gear than you would have on a trail mtb but given the range of riding styles/skill, trails, terrain and weight of riders that exist in mtbing. Those components largely already exist. I run Michelin DH34 bike park tyres on my rail. 1300g per tyre. Similar weight as Maxxis DD, Schwalbe SG or Vittoria Enduro carcass. All of which are near enough identical to the respective brands emtb tyres. No you don't need the special emtb label on the tyre. You just need a suitable carcass tyre for your riding style. Just like with any other form of cycling.
e-MTB specific tires are a load of rubbish. This is a Pirelli ad.
In that case, Maxxis has e-MTB specific.. Choose their DD or DH casings, simple.
I just got 900KMs from a 27.5 Assegai DD WT 2.5 Maxx Grip on the back of my Levo. It only punctured because of glass on the trail. That's the first puncture in 900KM. looks to have maybe 300 or so left.. The Assegai in the rear is great for mega grip and I managed to get the KOM for our MTB course with this setup. But it's actually too grippy sometimes when I want to have fun and schralp some corners.
Schwalbe magic Mary bike park version if I’m skint, better compound if I’m flush
So ebike tyres are UST then? 😁 Inserts with standard tyres work well too.
Only thing that should be emtb specific is drivetrain (cogs/chain). I don't see the point of emtb tyres except to drive prices up. There are already different components/threading/rigidity to differentiate tyres... the weight gaps between different humans is much wider than the gap between bikes/ebikes.
Tyres are such a subjective item. Rider weight, bike weight, riding style, riding conditions factor massively in tyre choice. I think manufacturers should continue to just fit mid range tyres and allow the rider to decide what will suit them best next time. I do agree though that e bikes need a more durable and stiffer tyre due to the increase in force applied to it.
i really don't understand the weight side of things being brought into emtb conversations, me and my emtb weight 95kg, pretty much everyone i ride with and there non emtb weigh more than that, should they be running emtb tyres because of this? should they be running emtb approved suspension because of the weight, the extra 9-10kg difference the bike makes is nothing compared to a rider that weighs an extra 20kg compared to me, can anyone explain why emtb specific things are being built up to be such a huge thing that is needed without the weight argument? seems like it's just the bike industry trying to make more money by specifying things are for e bikes
I think is due to safety on the public road, the regulations, nothing else.
I only use a battery powered air pump to inflate my tires on my eBike for the ultimate in compatibility.
I run EWilds and change long before they are worn out
hi folks,as E-Bike Guide use Michelin DH34 bike park on the rear,Maxxis Assegai 2.5 exo + on the front,perfect match. join JONYS E BIKE TOURS,Algarve/Portugal
The knob height needs to be taller for e-bikes. Think the percentage of added weight should be the percentage of added knob height.
Moreover, those big chunky tires will eat ebike battery for breakfast, and you will get huge range reduction
I run the Pirelli's S ( front 12 psi ) Pirelli R ( rear 14 psi ) on a reign e. 750wh battery. I did a race the other week 33km with 1650m of climbing, and used 75% of the battery. The tyres don't really suck up that much juice. Rider weight fully loaded around 74kg
You show the Dissector in the cheapest 2C OEM version and "forget" that it also exists in 3C EXO + and DD versions. The latter are what you should use on an eMTB. But I guess Pirelli isn't paying for that information.
Question. Scorpion-S. Scorpion-M. Scorpion-T.....................I cant seem to find out what the S M T mean?
The S tends to be cheaper but that could be bad.
S stands for use in soft terrain, M stands for use in mixed terrain, T stands for traction and is a rear specific tyre for use in all conditions (or so it says the sleeve)
@@alfy364 Thanks! They are all equally as tough in the sidewall area I suppose.
@@bradsanders6954Yes all e-bike specific are all Hyperwall. I have some Perrelli enduro race fitted to mine at present (super sticky) and even they have hard sidewall! I only weigh 10.5 stone so I could get away with regular tyres but I like to be bulletproof.
All of what you have talked about is exactly the same in four-wheel drive / off-roading and tires to suit. For all the same reasons.
I thought rich was on gmbn?
E bike market is still very unruly with being non-standardised. Batteries and drivetrains being the main example
EMTB specific tyres don't have more grip... they usually support for weight
and tyre walls arent paper thin
The Answer is NO, you do not ever need anything "ebike" specific. Especially if it costs more or is heavier. I, at 20 stone, and another rider at 14 stone, riding 'analog' bikes would ride the exact same equipment. Just because an ebike weights 15 pounds more than an analog bike does not require 'beefier' equipment. Your riding style and trails may warrant it, or mean you want to have that 'beefy' equipment. But you don't NEED it just because you're on an ebike. And even for chains, none of you are a Chris Froome putting 2000Watts through an analog drivetrain, even on an ebike at full power.
I"m thinking this is a goldmine for us heavy riders who rock acoustic. Be nice to not have insane air pressures anymore.
Could well be yes! Especially if you're riding somewhere super rocky and need that next level of support
Any one try the Schwalbe Eddy Current front/rear specific tires?
Currently running what came on the bike:Maxxis Assegai EXO front/Dissector EXO rear (both 29 x 2.6)
I have them on my kenevo, not as light as the maxxis assigi but there really good in the winter muck, also run fast 😊
I run them and they are great. Just ordered the just released ultrasoft front.
I use them and they are well worth it. I also use CushCore with them.
I ride a rail and I’m running the maxxis minions DHF front and rear 29x2.6 tanwalls. They 3c terra with extra thick side walls exo+. Love them
What a waist of time. You can use any tire on emtb, depending of what you do and type of terrain. Every tire brands as better sidewalls and compounds to match to your preferences.
Waste.
it's obvious promotion content
Short answer, no
E bike rated Schwalbe Jonny watts for trail riding.
Yes, heavy riders will have to choose wisely. But im 64kg . I could ride with no valves in my tyres and not ding a rim 😂