This is the Mollymauk moment of the campaign for me in more ways than a significant and permanent character death including that campaigns player coming back as a new character to the table with a just as interesting take on their characters themes; (both of Sam’s characters struggle with purpose) but this is also the moment Ashton truly became the Ashton who wants to finally say something to a god, that Chetney stopped taking things for granted and started pulling his weight, that Orym was convinced he needed to talk to Dorian more than ever before it was too late, that Fearne truly lost someone she cared about for real, that Laudna internalised her helplessness around what happened to Bor’Dor and Imogen decided she was against Ludinus no matter what he said now. In short just like the Mighty Nein this was the episode our chuckleducks became heroes godammit.
@@DreamEngine707 sometimes it takes a big loss to see the path more clearly. I think for the Nein it was the combination of Molly dying and them find caduceus that put them in the right track For the hells fcg was all the needed to find their paths, finding Braius a equally lost person showed them there’s more then one perspective of being lost whether it’s good or bad
@ ZodiacBandit you are exactly right but as much as people complain about how Campaign 3 “has no plot” (they are wrong it’s “ backstory npc’s discover the Big Bad’s thanos plan and then spend 86 episodes doing their best to stop him while failing upwards) this was the episode that made it clear for me what each characters arc truly was.
FCG's death was the first time i cried watching CR, I came close a few time near the end of c2, (Caleb saying to Frumpkin "You're not my cat, my cat is dead" and him visiting his parent's grave)
Death of Vax was a little crazy cause of Raven Queen and her THING. But Molly, I really took it personally, that death crushed means always when i watch this part of This episode I'm crying. But with FCG, well it was a little like Matt didn't see it throught properly and the fight was going in a verryyyyy bad direction and even Matt expression was like "shit, I am gona kill them and i don't know what to do to avoid it", and when FCG decided to sacrifice himself for Matt it was like salvation, a way that he as a DM avoid TPK and he took it. But FCG himself decided about it.
I assume that Sam's unexpected real life break from Critical Role had a lot to play in the timing of FCG's demise as well as the awkward visit to Aeor without him. Much of the story was probably planned with an intent to include FCG. He may have ultimately sacrificed himself (he was always quick to volunteer it), but I don't think it could be delayed any longer unfortunately due to real life circumstances.
@@dragoonjefy1981 absolutely that affected things but I’m sure if fcg didn’t die then aeor would’ve been pushed back and maybe the fey realm stuff would’ve happened first who knows
I think Matt mentioned the original way he was playing to write FCG out was going to be some sort of flare on Ruidus knocking him out for a unknown amount of time
One thing i wish we could see would be one of the hells having an interaction with Fcg's coin. One of the only things we after his sacrifice was when they were in aeor fighting dominox.
Zodiac I am calling this now: one of the live shows is FCG’s Memorial with F.R.I.D.A. it will contain the long awaited “Quest to find the Coin” F.R.R.O.G. and D making cameos and Matt making/enduring a ton of Flat Exandria jokes and of course a trip to Aeor for the memorial itself where Ashton put Letters remains and F.R.I.D.A. who also was looking for answers gets to put themselves in their lovers wheels (I will put this here but I know the first thing Letters would of asked was “Where was the Changebringer? And “What side was she on?”)
@ZodiacBandit to Matt it’s jokes to people who love Letters it’s truth that is what F.R.I.D.A. thoughts will be as well as a huge group of critters heckling (in a loving way) Matt
Matt said in a 4SD after the death that they could search for info in aeor and potentially find out stuff. But obviously with how the world is ending the players don’t feel like they had the time to do that. Depending on how the campaign ends maybe they could do a search for Grog type episode where the remaining members of BH travel to aeor and try to uncover its mysteries which simultaneously sheds some light on our metal friend. If not then it’ll probably get relegated to a comic or something (which IMO would be disappointing)
Shame we never got to see fcg with legs. I remember them getting legs made for them while in wildemount but they just never got back to them to collect
I can't help but agree to an extent. Losing out on an entirely different side of Aeor and the god connection with FCG is something that makes me sad. Heck, FCG was actually THERE, and so was Devexian. Not only could they have found/known about tech that could have helped Bell's Hells, we might have even been able to pop one of the blue bubbles! Imagine telling an Aeorian wizard that the gods are about to perish, but it may cost the lives of everyone on Exandria. What would their perspective be? Is talking to one worth risking Ludanis getting an ally? We'll never know, unfortunately.
I feel like FCG’s missing coin could be something Matt could use/spin to be something that could tie FCG back somehow, probably not back “alive”, but perhaps maybe the coin could be a key or something to a memory orb that contains FCG’s past….but who knows 🤷🏻♀️
If you haven’t listened to the Re-Slayer’s Take (where that fabulous Devexian character art is from) then you should because they might just be covering some aspects of what was lost lore-wise from FCG’s death with their aeormaton character, Frog.
@ Oh absolutely there was a lot of lore lost with FCG… but maybe there will be more main campaign Aeor in the future… also more Molaesmyr and Shattered Teeth please and thank you.
@ aeor Molaesmyr and shattered teeth could each get campaigns dedicated to it Aeor and molaesmyr are connected so maybe that’ll be a single game where caduceus is the one gathering people to fix it
@@ZodiacBandit my blue sky dream of a steam punk archaeological team of an adventuring party on a mission to explore the Shattered Teeth is a fragile one but I will always hold out hope. 😂
@ I see, well I definitely think it’s close to the end but I didn’t think it’s 1-2 episodes left I personally think if predathos is released it’ll probably go not the high 120’s episode wise so like idk 8-10 left that’ll get them to a few months before dagger heart comes out
Whenever i want to watch Mighty Nein again i always, always come back to the Eiselcross/Aeor Arc. like from the point of the battle on the ship against avantika till the end of the second campaign. i totally understand your love for it. its so good, there's so much lore and you can see how the party became a solid unit. its make me sad to think about the narratives that we (audience and cast) lost with FCG's sacrifice but i love people theories about it. i think the party become way more against gods their death and now they're in the "we save them because if not they will bring back the calamity" so, an ultimatum wherever you look. Lastly, i would love for you to start streaming narrative driven games. specially those that the cast are involved because you have a neverending list of them. and will look for ways to support you!
@@hadesblackplays the final arc of campaign 2 is simply the best critical role arc to me. I love the snow setting the mystery around Lucian all wrapped around the lore of aeor I would by a full module of aeor stuff. Matt is in BG3 I genuinely think that’s a good start for sure… last of us for Ashely and Laura. Travis and Matt are both in kingdom hearts now… my favourite games theres loads we can play and I will play
I don't watch the 3rd campaign fully, just like to find out what's going on there sometimes. And seeing this preview I thought that Imogen, Chetney and Dorian are straight up dead now...
Molly's death haunted the Nein for a long time, it was a huge character moment for everyone involved. FCGs death wasn't even given an episode to recover from and the Hells only talk about him like "oh yeah, remember that dude?" The fact that they were IN Aeor, and did nothing with it, showed that no players but Tal actually cared about FCG
@@RatShadows but there’s was a time crunch both in game and In Real life the in game was they needed to get there while Ludinus was dealing with dominox the real world was they needed to be in a good place for the live show
Now I want to put out a what if imagine if in the Otohan fight they had just gotten TPK'd. Bells hells dies and all the party had to be replaced would they just go back to Vox machina or Mighty nein. Or that early would they just create an entire new party would Sam had still played Braius in a hypothetical world were a new party toke up bells hells task to fight Ludinus. Or maybe they just begin campaign 4 in a almost apocalyptic world.
@@GolDRoger-hl1xi that’s definitely a possibility for what could’ve happened after otohan but in that instance I would need otohan to just kill Ludinus because then he’d have no real chance be being the number one villain
Least biggest loss? Probably Tiberius but that's been covered elsewhere. Are we counting guest characters that were there to die? E.g. the guy at the live show whose dwarf seemed to use his face to detect traps?
funny how you say you hate spoilers and yet you have no problems using a FCG thumbnail and naming the video "the biggest loss in critical role history"...
@Gholdenbro_ well that was nearly a year ago and easily one of the most spoiled things ever in the community at this point it’s not a spoiler (I do see the hypocrisy in this lol)
even if you found out fcg died from this thunbnail youd have literally no idea which episode his death was going to happen lol. it takes literally nothing away from that moment, as the second he even starts to state his intent on his turn, the outcome is obvious. shut the hell up
@@ZodiacBandit It could be a red moon or something but change it quickly so that less people currently watching crit role won't get spoiled. Thumbnails like this has spoiled things in the past for me and it sucks.
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This is the Mollymauk moment of the campaign for me in more ways than a significant and permanent character death including that campaigns player coming back as a new character to the table with a just as interesting take on their characters themes; (both of Sam’s characters struggle with purpose) but this is also the moment Ashton truly became the Ashton who wants to finally say something to a god, that Chetney stopped taking things for granted and started pulling his weight, that Orym was convinced he needed to talk to Dorian more than ever before it was too late, that Fearne truly lost someone she cared about for real, that Laudna internalised her helplessness around what happened to Bor’Dor and Imogen decided she was against Ludinus no matter what he said now. In short just like the Mighty Nein this was the episode our chuckleducks became heroes godammit.
@@DreamEngine707 sometimes it takes a big loss to see the path more clearly.
I think for the Nein it was the combination of Molly dying and them find caduceus that put them in the right track
For the hells fcg was all the needed to find their paths, finding Braius a equally lost person showed them there’s more then one perspective of being lost whether it’s good or bad
@ ZodiacBandit you are exactly right but as much as people complain about how Campaign 3 “has no plot” (they are wrong it’s “ backstory npc’s discover the Big Bad’s thanos plan and then spend 86 episodes doing their best to stop him while failing upwards) this was the episode that made it clear for me what each characters arc truly was.
FCG's death was the first time i cried watching CR, I came close a few time near the end of c2, (Caleb saying to Frumpkin "You're not my cat, my cat is dead" and him visiting his parent's grave)
@@Mightymajin letting Frumpkin go was quite possibly the more heartbreaking thing Caleb did for me I didn’t cry there but god damn it hurt
I know this wasnt the topic, but i really wish/hope Emily Axford's character Prism would make a comeback.
@@peter_schomus same she was awesome
Death of Vax was a little crazy cause of Raven Queen and her THING.
But Molly, I really took it personally, that death crushed means always when i watch this part of This episode I'm crying.
But with FCG, well it was a little like Matt didn't see it throught properly and the fight was going in a verryyyyy bad direction and even Matt expression was like "shit, I am gona kill them and i don't know what to do to avoid it", and when FCG decided to sacrifice himself for Matt it was like salvation, a way that he as a DM avoid TPK and he took it.
But FCG himself decided about it.
I assume that Sam's unexpected real life break from Critical Role had a lot to play in the timing of FCG's demise as well as the awkward visit to Aeor without him. Much of the story was probably planned with an intent to include FCG. He may have ultimately sacrificed himself (he was always quick to volunteer it), but I don't think it could be delayed any longer unfortunately due to real life circumstances.
@@dragoonjefy1981 absolutely that affected things but I’m sure if fcg didn’t die then aeor would’ve been pushed back and maybe the fey realm stuff would’ve happened first who knows
I think Matt mentioned the original way he was playing to write FCG out was going to be some sort of flare on Ruidus knocking him out for a unknown amount of time
I got the impression that mourning F.C.G. would feel too much like mourning Sam. But I'm probably wrong.
💯 Exactly. I thought the way they mourned(?) fcg was a bit awkward, but it all made perfect sense after Sam made his announcement.
One thing i wish we could see would be one of the hells having an interaction with Fcg's coin.
One of the only things we after his sacrifice was when they were in aeor fighting dominox.
I forgot to mention in the video but merry Christmas everyone and happy holidays
Thank you all for watching and sharing your ideas
Merry Christmas to you too buddy! Have a wonderful New Year as well!
Merry Christmas dude, hope you have a good one.
Having FCG for the last part of c3 would habe made a huge difference, I agree.
Zodiac I am calling this now: one of the live shows is FCG’s Memorial with F.R.I.D.A. it will contain the long awaited “Quest to find the Coin” F.R.R.O.G. and D making cameos and Matt making/enduring a ton of Flat Exandria jokes and of course a trip to Aeor for the memorial itself where Ashton put Letters remains and F.R.I.D.A. who also was looking for answers gets to put themselves in their lovers wheels (I will put this here but I know the first thing Letters would of asked was “Where was the Changebringer? And “What side was she on?”)
@@DreamEngine707 what do you mean “jokes” it’s the truth I tell you
@ZodiacBandit to Matt it’s jokes to people who love Letters it’s truth that is what F.R.I.D.A. thoughts will be as well as a huge group of critters heckling (in a loving way) Matt
I think Matt said there would be some kinda magic surge or something that would decommission FCG for a while in order to account for sams absence
@@frankdamico5319 it’s really a shame fcg had to die for the others to live so many plot hooks are gone now
Matt said in a 4SD after the death that they could search for info in aeor and potentially find out stuff. But obviously with how the world is ending the players don’t feel like they had the time to do that.
Depending on how the campaign ends maybe they could do a search for Grog type episode where the remaining members of BH travel to aeor and try to uncover its mysteries which simultaneously sheds some light on our metal friend. If not then it’ll probably get relegated to a comic or something (which IMO would be disappointing)
@Sp0lby I would love a aeor one shot/ mini series it would be a lot of fun especially if it gets fcg back
@Sp0lby that would be cool post campaign story!
Shame we never got to see fcg with legs. I remember them getting legs made for them while in wildemount but they just never got back to them to collect
@@tromar5758 oh my I completely forgot about that. That just adds to F.R.I.D.As pain I’m sure
@@ZodiacBanditinstead of an urn on the mantle frida will just have fcgs never worn legs up there lmao
But they did get to taste something (cries)
I can't help but agree to an extent. Losing out on an entirely different side of Aeor and the god connection with FCG is something that makes me sad. Heck, FCG was actually THERE, and so was Devexian. Not only could they have found/known about tech that could have helped Bell's Hells, we might have even been able to pop one of the blue bubbles! Imagine telling an Aeorian wizard that the gods are about to perish, but it may cost the lives of everyone on Exandria. What would their perspective be? Is talking to one worth risking Ludanis getting an ally? We'll never know, unfortunately.
@@reneehoenicke4765 popping the bubbles is a totally different rabbit hole I’d love to see happen one day
I feel like FCG’s missing coin could be something Matt could use/spin to be something that could tie FCG back somehow, probably not back “alive”, but perhaps maybe the coin could be a key or something to a memory orb that contains FCG’s past….but who knows 🤷🏻♀️
If you haven’t listened to the Re-Slayer’s Take (where that fabulous Devexian character art is from) then you should because they might just be covering some aspects of what was lost lore-wise from FCG’s death with their aeormaton character, Frog.
@@krystleurban7345 I’ll have to watch then I just wish Aeor lore was in the main campaign more
@ Oh absolutely there was a lot of lore lost with FCG… but maybe there will be more main campaign Aeor in the future… also more Molaesmyr and Shattered Teeth please and thank you.
@ aeor Molaesmyr and shattered teeth could each get campaigns dedicated to it
Aeor and molaesmyr are connected so maybe that’ll be a single game where caduceus is the one gathering people to fix it
@@ZodiacBandit my blue sky dream of a steam punk archaeological team of an adventuring party on a mission to explore the Shattered Teeth is a fragile one but I will always hold out hope. 😂
How do you feel when the cast said that we have only one or two episodes left of the campaign
@@madara4447 where was this said I’ve been busy with holiday stuff and haven’t send 4SD yet just reading this made my stomach drop
@ from character sheet. It has me worried about the final battle
@ I see, well I definitely think it’s close to the end but I didn’t think it’s 1-2 episodes left I personally think if predathos is released it’ll probably go not the high 120’s episode wise so like idk 8-10 left that’ll get them to a few months before dagger heart comes out
Whenever i want to watch Mighty Nein again i always, always come back to the Eiselcross/Aeor Arc. like from the point of the battle on the ship against avantika till the end of the second campaign. i totally understand your love for it. its so good, there's so much lore and you can see how the party became a solid unit.
its make me sad to think about the narratives that we (audience and cast) lost with FCG's sacrifice but i love people theories about it. i think the party become way more against gods their death and now they're in the "we save them because if not they will bring back the calamity" so, an ultimatum wherever you look.
Lastly, i would love for you to start streaming narrative driven games. specially those that the cast are involved because you have a neverending list of them. and will look for ways to support you!
@@hadesblackplays the final arc of campaign 2 is simply the best critical role arc to me. I love the snow setting the mystery around Lucian all wrapped around the lore of aeor I would by a full module of aeor stuff.
Matt is in BG3 I genuinely think that’s a good start for sure… last of us for Ashely and Laura. Travis and Matt are both in kingdom hearts now… my favourite games theres loads we can play and I will play
I don't watch the 3rd campaign fully, just like to find out what's going on there sometimes. And seeing this preview I thought that Imogen, Chetney and Dorian are straight up dead now...
@@lear_volchanka someone in my comments said my thumbnail before was a spoiler so I changed it glad it’s still bringing people in to watch lol
Molly's death haunted the Nein for a long time, it was a huge character moment for everyone involved. FCGs death wasn't even given an episode to recover from and the Hells only talk about him like "oh yeah, remember that dude?"
The fact that they were IN Aeor, and did nothing with it, showed that no players but Tal actually cared about FCG
@@RatShadows but there’s was a time crunch both in game and In Real life the in game was they needed to get there while Ludinus was dealing with dominox the real world was they needed to be in a good place for the live show
Now I want to put out a what if imagine if in the Otohan fight they had just gotten TPK'd. Bells hells dies and all the party had to be replaced would they just go back to Vox machina or Mighty nein. Or that early would they just create an entire new party would Sam had still played Braius in a hypothetical world were a new party toke up bells hells task to fight Ludinus. Or maybe they just begin campaign 4 in a almost apocalyptic world.
@@GolDRoger-hl1xi that’s definitely a possibility for what could’ve happened after otohan but in that instance I would need otohan to just kill Ludinus because then he’d have no real chance be being the number one villain
Least biggest loss?
Probably Tiberius but that's been covered elsewhere.
Are we counting guest characters that were there to die? E.g. the guy at the live show whose dwarf seemed to use his face to detect traps?
@@Banquet42 lol least biggest losses in critical role might need to make a April fools video with this idea
@@Banquet42 and yes he was told it would be a lot for Matt to deal with have 8 players at the live show so he tried to beat spurts death run
funny how you say you hate spoilers and yet you have no problems using a FCG thumbnail and naming the video "the biggest loss in critical role history"...
@Gholdenbro_ well that was nearly a year ago and easily one of the most spoiled things ever in the community at this point it’s not a spoiler (I do see the hypocrisy in this lol)
even if you found out fcg died from this thunbnail youd have literally no idea which episode his death was going to happen lol. it takes literally nothing away from that moment, as the second he even starts to state his intent on his turn, the outcome is obvious.
shut the hell up
Yeah he’s starting to get a *little* little a tiny bit click baity, spoilerey just a bit.
Well, not really.
The rule is 6 months before the spoiler warning can be dropped entirely.
It's been over a year since that.
you should change the thumbnail so it does not spoil the show for other people
@@Drake-_- I’m open to recommendations
@@ZodiacBandit It could be a red moon or something but change it quickly so that less people currently watching crit role won't get spoiled. Thumbnails like this has spoiled things in the past for me and it sucks.