IAF's Engine Problem and Road Ahead
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Alpha defence making 10th video on Tejas Engine in a month is the real winner. 😂
Tejas is bread and butter for defence channel😂😂😂
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Sahi baat hai
Scrap WAKF board and use the money to fund R&D
Wo Paisa to neta log ke lie hai
@@mayank866
No bro Gareeb ki jameen harp ka rakh li waqf na 😅
@@PiyushGargJi1majority hindus kaa😢😢
Correct
Bjp me gooda nhi h muslim ko kuch bhi krne Ka.
370 hate 5 saal hue, kitne hindu vapa resttle kiye ?
Ram mandir me, muslim ko free me 2x zameen free me de diye h
In 2008, India had selected GE engine to power LCA . We had enough time to start a local production here in India. But all of our order placed like AD-HOC basis. IAF placed small orders in batch by batch on ad-hoc basis. We yet not has clear long term planning. IAF is treating LCA as backup plan rather as primary plan.
Iaf was serious for Tejas until 2014 it was manohar parikar who forced iaf to induct Tejas in current form. Iaf was intrested in mrfa more
This is the only channel who is providing trustworthy and clear information. As you mentioned if previous video, Kaveri engine's का 14 साल का वनवास भारी पड़ गया.
Following you from a long time but maybe for the first time such a doubt arose:-
Below are the details fetched from wiki:-
F404
Length: 154 in
Diameter: 35 in
Dry weight: 1,035 kg
Maximum thrust: 48.9 kN and 78.7 kN
EJ200
Length: 157.00 in
Diameter:29.00 in
Dry weight: 988.83 kg
Maximum thrust: 60 kN and 90 kN
F414
Length: 154 in
Diameter: 35 in
Dry weight: 1,110 kg
Maximum thrust: 57.8 kN and 97.9 kN
GTX-35VS Kaveri
Length: 137.4 in
Diameter: 35.8 in
Dry weight: 1,180 kg
Maximum thrust:52 kN and 81 kN
If any info is wrong please tell, but if it is right the how are gf414 an EJ200 are of same category
Please answer asap bro warna raat ko neend ni aaygi 🙏
Indigenous option is best option,Uncle Sam always betrays.
Do we have any indigenous option ?
Who sam
@@gajendermalhotra9635 US😂😂😂
@@biplab_mahatono we don't have indigenous option kaveri engine for alto😂😂😂😂😂
Koi alpha defense se puche wo jo 70kN kaveri ready h Tejas pe test krne k liye.
Uski total life cycle hour kitni h testbed pr??
Mean time between overhaul kitna h??
At least start making transport/passenger aircraft engines. Start with something which can be refined/tunes later.
Some countries are atleast building indigenous drones , some are good at fighter jets , some are good at passenger jets , India has none 😂.
If the fact that GE could not deliver the 404 engines was known beforehand, how come HAL committed delivery of the Tejas Mk1A by early 2024 which is now getting postponed ? We need a person like Ajit Doval to sort out matters with GE.
Pls don't ask sensible questions .. HAL bhery good.. govt forces bhery bad.. you don't say anything to drodo and dear hal
Subodh, you always confident about French greediness bone se bone marrow nikalne wala dialogue 😂😂😂😂
ये समस्या फिलहाल खत्म होती हुई नजर नहीं आती। हमारे जो प्रोग्राम चल रहे हैं उसे चलने दिया जाना चाहिए।
Paucity of funds is primarily responsible for the failure of Kaveri engine & the GOI must take the blame for it.
@@SkKumar-t8i freebies are more important than R&D and self reliance.
In my opinion the general population should be able to directly donate into our engine development fund so that they can work even without government.
There are a lot of people who will willingly give money to them if it goes straight to the scientist and not govt babus and/or politicians.
Bro you missed Japanese company IHI, Japan. Their jet engine tech is on par with any western nation but their miniaturisation tech is far ahead of Western countries.
Bhi Japan ge sat tot Kay base per engine tyarr kartta hai😅😅😅😅
@@kanhyasah6342 Well they have their tech right?Then we can put on a better deal to get that tech from them. But then again Japan is US Vassal State.
Bhai you are like India tv for defense viewers 😂
One wonders how other nations such as South Korea or Turkiye are able to successfully make fighters whilst we are still grappling with the best solution. It is now becoming critical so tapping options on fast track is a must including looking at SAAB
@@vikrambakshi5959 south korea has support from many countries to counter Indian LCA's market. turkish jet is supported to create headache for Russians.
For short term requirements one could continue with ge-404 engines for long term requirements as of now we have three aircraft engines which are assembled /manufactured in India with varying degree of indigenization and ip rights they are
1) kaveri engine 2) al-31 fp engines
3) rd-33 engines we need to improve/upgrade/indeginize these aircraft engines for our various requirements just as china has done so.
If we go for joint development of engines with other foreign engine maker chances of getting looted and getting not much of critical engine technology in return are more likely.
@@sigma-sigma1absolutely correct 💯
Self reliant hi hona padega chahe thoda der lag jaaye
Start working on civilian and transport Aircraft including the engines. Cannot depend on Foreign Suppliers in the future.
Bharat ka future tejas or kaveri injan he ... government ko har sambhav prayas krna chahiye ki y successful ho or pori taraf se insidious ho.
Can you share thoughts with below points:
1. Scrap MRFA with Rafaels as they are 4.5 gen, they already have too many orders and we are already building them with LCA mk2 (Increase the pace to match Rafael delivery).
2. Buy small batch of 5th gen fighters from Russia to bridge gap with Pakistan and China capabilities, from saved money of MRFA
3. Go with local manufacturing of GE engines be it for LCA mk1/mk2. Give GE tax break and other incentives like raw material from Russia for this. May be a loss for now but good for futur
4. Keep enhancing Kaveri engine as future replacement for LCA mk1/mk2 as an option. Use current engine for drones/TEDBF.
5. Go with Rolls-Royce ( we are already ditched by GE and Frenxh will never share technology after MRFA is scraaped) to build 5/6 gen engine with local manufacturing and patents for future capabilities.
Plz share your thoughts. I know seems simple.
Abhi tak sab facility nahin milli hai DRDO ko.
Ek 4 engine FTB, IL-76 class ka aircraft aur ek Su30/Mig29 class ka aircraft zaroori hai testing ke liye.
Baar baar ham Russia jaate rahte hai testing ke liye.
Your analysis is mostly realistic. Others are making videos only.
Japanese hf9 jet engine is already making 107kn dry and wet thrust is 147kn and there future aim is to make 197kn engine
Japene kyo dangya engine
Aaj ki khabar: "Tejas ki duniya ke desho mein mang", "India Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, Egypt ko karega Tejas export", Bla bla bla.
At Home: Koi engine hai kya engine, humare basic number of squadron pure karna hai 20 saal tak, engine de do engine!
What a joke we are making of ourselves, infront of the world. Remember, this is what happens when you treat your scientists and R&D department like crap.
Instead of providing funds to research and scientists, you are using our tax money to distribute freebies to women, farmers and minorities. Stop it! Moreover, remove kachra patti people from these departments. And then you will start seeing success. Hoping for a change.
Problem sirf aur sirf ek hai aur vo hai jo bhi government power me aati hai.
DRDO and RnD me funds daalne me inko maut aa jati hai jabki yhi vo 2 sector hai jisme aaj ki investment aage ka future decide krti hai. But ha itna aage ka kon soche, inko to 5 saal baad ka sochna hai ki election kaisi jeetna hai.
Fund dal k k BHI kuch honewala nahi Maine drdo dekha he 90 percent kaamchor log, corruption itna jyada he Kya batau.
JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
But funny thing is that US provides Pak F16 and GE engines to Bharat, keep on fighting and buying weapons my strategic partner.
Pakistani jf17 uses Russian rd33 engines same we use them in Mig29 .
Now what will you say about strategic Partnerships with Russia.
Same strategy.
You are the only RUclipsr with even a basic understanding of the issues involved... but the simple truth is our government has been caught sleeping... look at what is happening in Bangladesh, there is no doubt that US/CIA is involved in this regime change... US will never be on our side and we need to take a more aggressive effort to promote indigenous solutions especially Kavery...
Only option left is good diplomacy.
Children talking about diplomacy. Since when is Khalistan movement being funded & run by the USA using Canada as a proxy ? the main objective of the Anglo-Saxons has been to keep India a weak country , never be able to pull out of their exploitation. Diplomacy can't do much there.
@@pravindahiya719 Then what is the solution of this problem ?
@@vaibhavj701 the solution is build our own but corrupt people & parasites sabotage indigenous programs.
I once met an ISRO scientist ( just then retired, initially wasn't telling anything about himself ). i asked him directly " why do we....?"
He gave an example from ISRO itself & said " videsh ghoomne ka laalach hota. agar videsho se collaborate karte hain to videsh ghoomt hain, mehnat bhi nahi karni padti. Indigenous banayenge to mehnat bhi karnu padegi & videsh bhi nahi ja payenge ".
He said "you are a very decent person, you won't understand" & he was right - it took me a decade to understand that he meant bribe from foreign nations ; not just foreign trip.
Thanks for putting things into perspective as far as engine for Tejas MK1A......😊
जय हिंद 🇮🇳
Great work guys !! Your insights and updates are well researched
GE--F--414 is the best choice for HAL Tejas mark-2 and HAL--AMCA and TEDBF....
2:37 yeah kya tha..😮😮
One correction.
engine project started much much earlier, in.1960s.
Can we use F414 on Tejas mk1a. Ins that case we can try to expedite production of F414
Why can't we use Snecma M-53 P2 engines ? just purchase its IP rights instead of paying for developing new engine & wasting 6-7 years ( even if everything goes right ) .
the results on Kaveri will be proportional to the investments made in Kaveri.!!! We have invested/sowed peanuts and expect Badam and Walnut as Returns.
इस राष्ट्रघातकी कुकर्मकी भीषण फलं संपूर्ण हिंदुस्थानको और समस्त हिंदुजनोंको निश्चितही भुगतनी पडेंगी. इससे छुटकारा नहीं.
Forget everything, just remember:
1. HF-24 Marut FAILED
2.Tejas Mk1 FAILED
2. Tejas Mk 1A FAILED
3. Tejas MK2 DELAYED till 2027
4. TEDBF DELAYED till 2035.
5. AMCA DELAYED till 2034.
6. Multi-role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) DELAYED/DEAD.
7. Multi-role Role carrier Borne Fighter (MRCBF) pending since 2017
8. The FGFA program didn't see daylight.
9. Super sukhoi plan DELAYED.
10. A deal to procure 12 additional SU-30MKIs is STUCK due to Russia-Ukraine war.
11. Jaguar DARIN III upgrade project FAILED/CANCELLED.
12. Sitara Intermediate Jet trainer FAILED
13. HTT-40 in making since 2012.
14. Saras multi-purpose light civilian aircraft FAILED
15. Kaveri Engine FAILED
16. A deal to procure 21 additional MIG-29s from Russia has been STUCK due to Russia-Ukraine war.
Let's hope for the best
Focused on developing more than 2 options for engine
GE, RR, KAVERI, SAFFRON
Uncle Sam always betrays
if ge414 manufactured in india, then 90% of engine related problems gonna fade away.
Very nice explanation 🎉
But why can’t you make a fighter jet with dual engine using Kaveri? Even Rafale is dual engine fighter with same Kaveri engine specs.
Developmental time and requirement
The old Kaveri engine is very heavy in comparison to the thrust it produces so the dual engine is not the solution but making the engine less heavy is while increasing thrust to 90kN+
Kya hum IAF ko bhi blame kar sakte he is current situation ke liye? Lagta hai ye log police se bhi bade cartel hai. And what is this "Chandigarh Lobby" that comes around in defence geo politics channels regularly. How many lobbies are there?
Wish we could have built tejas with twin engine
US has destroyed Tejas programme and is now forcing India to buy american aircraft ....
True 👍
Metallurgy plus elecronics plua mechanical along with aeronautical knowledge. We have to invest in all these fields and only then we could build something that can fly welll.
HAL should use this time to add pending weapon integration on LCA. Or Integrate Uttam radar on LCA mk1a from the first batch.
if that is the case then Tejas must use time to update its other technology.
Bt the time india gets 100th Tejas, PAF would be training its pilots on 6th Generation aircraft. Already PAF pilots are training on 5th Generation fighters.
Perhaps the most balanced view. The GE 404s might be delayed but they will come eventually. It would be prudent to go for 404 assembly along with the proposed 414 assembly. However it is important to continue the Kaveri development, even if it means pumping more funds.
It also means u have to keep USA happy all the time otherwise u r fighter planes remains mothballed all the time due to non availability of engines.
Bhai mai har bar complex answer sun sun ke thak chuka hu. Mujhe sidhe batao jiban kaal me indigenous engine ko udte hue dekh paonga ya nehi.
At this moment i am like - " chalo yeh bhi thik hai"
Kya Sweden say uskya Volvo Kay engine khareed saktya hai joh gripen may laggya hai halki whoh bhee America say technology share kartta hai
brother I know you yourself is also learning very hard about jet engines manufacturing while making videos.
US bro US
MODI JI ka galst nirnay tha US par rely karna.
Agar Democrates jeet-te hain to US sanctions ki dhamki bhi de sakta hai,is liye Engine Collabarator aisa choose karen jis par Sanctions ka asar na ho.
PM’s one more visit to Russia, engine will be delayed by another year.
To bhai war k time m kaise bahoot km samai m nye nye hathiyar ko yudh m istemal kiya jata h
Bhai har desh kuch weapons stock karke reserves me rakhta hai .
War time me wo nikal liye jate hai.
War time me authority govt har cheeze apne under leta hai us waqt red tape nahi chalti.
पक्ष और विपक्ष को भारतीय सेना और सुरक्षा मैं एक मत होना पड़ेगा।।।
ठीक इजरायल और अमेरिका के जैसे।।।
जब बात आए देश हित की, तो तुष्टिकरण और वामपंथी हित को भूलना पड़ेगा।।।।
Agar wo khud ko Bharat ka bete maante hi na ho to ?
baat tushtikaran ki nahi Dar-Ul-Islam ki hai. unhe poore bharat me shariya chahiye.
@@pravindahiya719 भारत के 3 टुकड़े इसी शर्त पर हुए थे, की मुसलमानों के लिए पाकिस्तान और बांग्लादेश बना के दे रहे है, वहां मुसलमान जाए और शरिया के हिसाब से मुल्क बनाए।
लेकिन हमारे देश के सनातनियो ने ही भारत को धोका दे, भारत के 3 टुकड़े किए, और मुसलामानों को भी नही जाने दिया।।।
भारत के टुकड़े भी कर दिए, और समस्या भी नही सॉल्व हुई।
Sir can you explain why we went for F404 when we could go for F414. If F404 production line was stopped.
External configuration of engine being the same. HAL only required to make LCA bigger to accommodate more fuel and this could be done from 2015-now for mk1a
QR was to fit in Tejas in shelters of Mig21
@@AlphaDefenseHindi would not the logical step be to upgrade the hangers after all even the MK2 would be bigger.
I think a little vision would have increased the capabilities and the export potential of MK 1A it would have been in HALs on interest. Maybe an upselling also to the IAF
Brother, if we did not considered and thought that since 1960 to 2004, that India need more IIT, we lost span/ of 44 years. As much remained India available for us. Basically challenge is to transform our merrit and telent in to valuable human capital for development ocience andutting
What about Pratt and Whitney F100 series engines?
In march Alpha Defence team was saying that they have seen air trials of Tejas Mk 1A aircraft and it will be delivered before 31st March. Its august now and the same aircraft is not delivered. Now alpha team says that delay is because of lack of engines. Can you guys tell what stops HAL to deliver the aircraft which has doing air-trails in march ? Is it also because of engine delay??
Its shameful that alpha defence team is busy hiding the inefficiencies of HAL and trying to pass the buck to GE
Sir If GE 404 IN 20 is having potential further than presently order qty of 99 for 91 for follow on Mk1A ..and spare engines .. and maintenance needs for all those.. Why can't the 404 be gradually produced in India at the same facility where 414s are to be manufactured?
हमारे ये सुनने में और आपके वीडियो बनाने से क्या होगा कुछ नहीं 😂
Fir bhi ye video banate hai 😂aur hum sunte hai😅
@@vaibhavj701 ये बात भी सही है। डिफेंस लवर्स जो है , क्या करे सोचते है चीज़े ठीक हो जाएंगी
AMCA needed as soon as possible
Why not make the professors and bigwigs from teaching institutions like IIT do these engines for s change? Or they are just to sit in their cozy seats?
twin engine variant is still best option but that will increase the price of jets
Expected तो ये था की, कावेरी इंजिन की बात ज्यादा हो.
Kavari per kyya batt hoggee bhi jettna banna thaa yah complete hoo cukka hai abb ismya kuuch nahi bachha batiyanta Kay leya kavari dry thirst yani engine core say 46kn thirst yah power generate kartaa hai aur jab ismya after burner jorrangya toh iski wet thirst yah total power 75kn say 80kn tak ki produce hogee ismya allowa kavari engine kaa wajan after burner Kay sath 1180kg hai jeskho 1000kg honna chiya jab ki itnee power wala Safran engine kaa wajan 850kg hee hai agar kuuch hoo saktta hai whoh iskaa wajan kuuch kaam karna hai yahi sacchi hai joh batta dee tum khogya ki iskho rafles may Safran kaa engine hatha kar twin kavari laggo per technically yah possible nahi hai France ijjajat nahi dagga dusra saffaron engin size may chotya aur comact hai iss leya kavari fit bhee nahi hoo paygaa haa mig 29may lag sakta hai rd33kho hatta kar akk kavari engine say replace keyya Jaa saktta hai bus gov tasting ki ijjajat dagee ki nahi kuuch bole nahi saktya hai baki battya jetnee chaya kar loo per batto say kyya hotta hai
Man me bs ek baat ka dar ban gaya he Sukhoi ke engine ka kam chal raha he Jaguar purane ho gaye he mirage ke spare parts ke liye ham marmat kr rahe he mig 29 ka duniya janati he tejas mark 1 delay chal raha he mark 2 ka ata pata nahi he amca to bs ek sapna he kaise agar war hui to ham survive karnge ? squadrons kam hoti ja rahi he jo bahar se jet kharidenge unka bhi ata pata nahi he itani buri halath ho chuki he iaf ki 😔 bhagvan bachye is desh ko aur indian air force ko....... upar se ek enemy operational 5th gen use kr raha aur dusra unpe traning 🙂
Le dekar baat kaveri par hi aakar ruk jaati hai. Indigenous engine is the permanent solution.
With older metallurgy, if Kaveri had achieved dry thrust of around 49kN and wet thrust of 73kN, then we can hope that with new metallurgy and with some improvements, it will achieve 52-54 kN of dry thrust, and 85kN+ wet thrust with improved afterburner varient. Also with improved metallurgy, it's weight will reduce further. Hope for best. Jai Bharat 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Still not enough for thrust for a Tejas so we must do things quickly
There are no options left except go for a fresh contract to a company for make in India initiative to supply 150 aircraft. HAL should be penalized with all other involved in delay...🙏
Now the focus should be Tejas mk 2 engine to be made in india...
What about Euro fighter typhoon engine ?
sawaal modi se poochhna chahiye ke.......US jet engines nahin de raha, Hal ke paas jet engine develop karne ki technology nahin hai aur tum hamari IAF ko advance fighter jets le ke nahin de rahe tab fir hamari IAF poorane fighter jets ke sath desh ki suraksha kaise karegi ?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Why Kanjus babus and IAF didnt order bigger numbers of Tejas with Initial order before GE shutdown the F404 assembly. It was during the Trump govt they were delivered. Nothing delivered after 2021 . You cannot optimize when it comes to defense procurement like this.
It's all about money. If Govt. really wants an engine then they should put money in the R&D facility of DRDO.
Spare engine use karke spare naye Tejas banenge.... To problem kahaan hai
Indigenousation or Make in India or eco-system takes decades. 100% Indigenousation never possible to any country.
If design and development of a product is home grown with above 50% is okay for any country.
Regarding engine of any kinetic products means changes in design, mission computer and integrity of other components.
All are time consuming.
India itna aage bdh rha hai lekin fir bhi hum abhi tk khud ek engine nhi bna ske ☹️☹️
What is the update om amca engine? Did INDIA found any partner
Waqf ki properties bech kar kaveri engine ko or next engine ko develope karna chahiye
Will India use IMRH platforms to a make a attack helicopter like apache please answer my question. 😀
Agar Trump jeet gaya,tabhi Engine milega ,varna Tejas philhaal bhool jao aur TaTa ne jo Airbus ko 70 billion dollors ka Passanger Planes ka order diya hai use Tata par pressure daal kar canceal karwa diya jaaye.
भाई इतनी वीडियो मत बनाओ, सही में इंजन की समस्या का समाधान हो गया तो हम कहा जायेगे कमेंट करने 😂😂
According to play Kaveri for tejas kbtak ready hoga
2030vmay colibration may kesi foreign country Kay sath colibration may 120kn kaa engine tyar hogga
Scrap tejas 1mk1 and go for amca gumca 😂😂😂😂
As it seems france take our blodes from bones 😅. I dont recommended to go with them. USA firms got big project then they change the strategies of USA in our favour.
Bhai ye apne commission k chakkar me kuch nahi karte. Panic buying k time acha commission ban jata h
We should opt for Rolls Royce.....no geopolitical issues 😊
Agar kal Tejas aur kaveri engine ban gaye to kis chiz par video banayega ye log ?
What ever you say we have to speak to usa either for f 35 not for whole lot but at least 2-3 squadrons or for any country for MRFA tender I mean euro fighter or grippen or any other aircraft as Raffael is facing some supply chain problems
F15 EX only they will give
RD 33 BEST OPTION HAI
रिपीटेड तथ्य।
Gentleman the serious problem is that India possessess very many premier educational institutions despite which there exists a calibre deficit. Now kindly explain where is the problem. India is a nation which hasn't been able to marshal its resources it intrinsic vitality. There are systemic issues in the system of Governace .Rewards are not reaching their source of merit .
Isn't Kaveri a reverse engineered Russian engine as well?
No, GTRE used an American engine to better understand what they were trying to develop in the initial days.