Christians React to deathspell Omega-Kenose I!!

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
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Комментарии • 329

  • @aamermahmoud5666
    @aamermahmoud5666 5 лет назад +81

    “Everything, except God, has in itself some measure of privation,
    Thus all individuals may be graded according to the degree
    To which they are infected with mere potentiality”
    Was there not an inconceivable loss of knowledge at Bethlehem?
    Christ's abasement, His subjecting Himself to the laws of human birth
    And growth and to the lowliness of fallen human nature...
    Did the Son remain the transcendent Logos,
    Is there not a radical and fatal discontinuity between the consciousness?
    Of the transcendent Logos and the secular Jesus?
    Obedience to the point of death,
    Falling down through increasing
    Pressure
    Into the deathlike region
    Of ooze and slime and decay
    These are the fruits and symptoms of the abasement of the World,
    The assumption of humanity and the simultaneous occultation of Divinity
    (Immaculata
    Du wirfst mich in den Moderstaub des Todes)
    “And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist”
    Triune God,
    Morphed into a Being of apparent theanthropic nature
    Deprived of the Light of Splendor
    Dost thou still stand in undiminished Majesty
    After the exinanition of divine attributes
    The face of profound fire gone astray,
    Exhaling austerities in concealed, divine radiance?
    Kenosis, O' theory of great peril!
    Blinded, sanguineous eyes and with a trembling hand,
    A frail androgynous being holds the perilous doctrinal balance,
    Robed in a maculated garment spattered with the sordid blood
    Of the Flagellation, of the lacerations and fierce wounds
    Carved by royal attributes, of the crimson spurts
    Dripping without end,
    As was celebrated the High Mass of the Comforter
    Kenosis, O' theory of great peril!
    Rob God of any attribute and fill the shattering universe
    With the pestilent scent of putrefaction and the glorious cloud of death,
    For steadfast, at any cost, He must be
    Solely the incarnate Word proclaimed by all the prophets and apostles
    Would have, in dying, an infinite value,
    Sufficient to atone, by His astonishing work,
    For the Sins of the world
    Res rapta...
    Res rapienda...
    Hast thou succumbed to the original malady?
    “For being empty himself, He giveth empty answers
    To empty enquirers; for whatever enquiry may be made of Him,
    He answered according to the emptiness of the man”
    In visceribus...
    A willing expiatory Victim, calling constant shame and ignominy upon itself
    Was thine irretrievable substance still intact in this Sinai of global Penitence,
    Dost thou remember thine past Theophanies, the burning bush
    And the Angel of the Lord?
    (Et vestitus erat veste aspersa sanguine
    “Le fond de ma pensée est que dans ce monde en chute toute joie éclate
    Dans l'ordre naturel et toute douleur dans l'ordre divin”)
    “In the next place, it never approached an assembly
    Of righteous men; but avoideth them,
    And cleaveth to the doubtful-minded and empty
    And prophesieth to them in corners,
    And decieveth them, speaking all things in emptiness to gratify their desire...”
    Art thou working on collective deliverance?
    Observe Merkabah, the chariot of the glory of God
    Adrift and exiled, the Pilgrim of Light, grandiose and weeping
    Thine aura, compared, is but pale and frail, alike to the one of an ailing child...
    Vacillating faith, thine salvific virtue shall fail to make nil
    A cataclysm of Judgment
    The suffering of the Just shall be aggravated in grotesque proportions,
    Pillaged, ravaged, overthrown
    The realms of warmth and reassurance, of a maternal womb,
    Shall disappear gradually under the crumbling yoke of Sin and Time...
    The advent of Plerosis is the destiny of Man and shall shatter up to the Heavens,
    A savage aperture to the High Mass of the Comforter:
    “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed,
    Not only in my presence,
    But so much more now in my absence,
    Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...”

  • @ZoniaTV
    @ZoniaTV 5 лет назад +101

    DsO: 10/10
    Vin's notification tone: 2/10

    • @Shaitanic13
      @Shaitanic13 5 лет назад +1

      Is there something wrong with his tone? He sounds inspired, like a preacher)

    • @ZoniaTV
      @ZoniaTV 5 лет назад +9

      @@Shaitanic13 his mobile phone notification tone.

    • @Shaitanic13
      @Shaitanic13 5 лет назад +2

      @@ZoniaTV Oh, I get it.) Sorry, I don't speak English well.

    • @ZoniaTV
      @ZoniaTV 5 лет назад +5

      @@Shaitanic13 It's ok. It's not like RUclips comments are a very good form of communication, either.

    • @MorbidAngel31775
      @MorbidAngel31775 5 лет назад +1

      Can he turn it down it very annoying

  • @danandersson7768
    @danandersson7768 5 лет назад +90

    By far the most theologically and musically ambitious band in black metal.

    • @lordecircojeca2039
      @lordecircojeca2039 5 лет назад +7

      Blut Aus Nord may have a word on the musical aspect

    • @konnod321
      @konnod321 5 лет назад +5

      Fronted by a White Supremacist Pedophile. Fuck this band, they don't deserve any credit.

    • @depthsofabjection
      @depthsofabjection 5 лет назад +28

      @@konnod321 lmao ok

    • @omarlopez1372
      @omarlopez1372 5 лет назад +22

      Stee So talking about a taboo topic makes you a supporter of it? Lmao ok

    • @konnod321
      @konnod321 5 лет назад

      @@omarlopez1372 Okay lets forget that part, what about all the NSBM that relates him? Interviews where he has supported the killing of Jews?

  • @loganviking3923
    @loganviking3923 5 лет назад +26

    I love when you go deeeep into theology! These types of reviews are some of my favorites on this channel. 9,845!

    • @VinAndSori
      @VinAndSori  5 лет назад +2

      Whoa! Thank you !

    • @jon9428
      @jon9428 5 лет назад +2

      @@VinAndSori Vin can you speak more on the Kabbalah or do a song about the Kabbalah some time? Would love to hear your thoughts on Jewish Mysticism

    • @VinAndSori
      @VinAndSori  5 лет назад +3

      I love Jewish mysticism.... get us a song that will get us the excuse to talk about it

    • @bmfan
      @bmfan 5 лет назад +2

      @@VinAndSori Most Theistic satanist stuff tends to heavily deal with the Kabblah/Qlipphoth, and gnosticism.

    • @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
      @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 5 лет назад

      I too love when you guys go into theology and mythology. Both are topics I take interest in.

  • @halstevens8079
    @halstevens8079 5 лет назад +9

    I am so delighted to see you guys covering more Deathspell Omega there are such depths of nuance and profound insight to be explored in their music.

  • @Mrdontlikenames
    @Mrdontlikenames 5 лет назад +26

    Hope you guys do "Carnal Malefactor" at some point. Truly one of Deathspell Omega's finer songs both musically and lyrically.

  • @internalfire11
    @internalfire11 5 лет назад +17

    I dont believe you finally did this!!!!!! Yeah!!!!! And big thanks for Bm fan!!

  • @8o86
    @8o86 5 лет назад +21

    "I wouldn't want these guys up, talking to many christians."
    there's a word for this

  • @Shaitanic13
    @Shaitanic13 5 лет назад +16

    Interesting discussion)
    I hope there will be more reactions and analysis to DO)

  • @kolomgorov
    @kolomgorov 5 лет назад +6

    Love this. You both represent the spirit of genuine inquiry so admirably. I'd choose you guys as an example of the examined life before some arrogant new atheist type 100 percent of the time.

  • @christian-bom
    @christian-bom 5 лет назад +11

    Actually watched this one right to the end. Although I'm not a christian myself, as my first name might otherwise blatantly hint at, I found it very interesting to hear you talk about one of my all time favorite bands. You sure know your stuff, Vin! You guys really should delve further into this band if you liked this song - you've baaaaarely seen the tip of the iceberg, let me tell you that. This band will go down in history as one of the most musically proficient bands but also, first and foremost, one of the most lyrically proficient.
    Cheers from Sweden!

    • @christian-bom
      @christian-bom 3 года назад

      @@jacdavies9896 very original joke, never heard that one before.

    • @jacdavies9896
      @jacdavies9896 3 года назад

      @@christian-bom what joke

  • @nekromorbidussvartvind6673
    @nekromorbidussvartvind6673 5 лет назад +22

    Hey there! Could you review Ved Buens Ende's "I sang for the swans" or "Carrier of wounds"? Those folks are one of the creators of this dissonant style in the BM (among others, like Fleurety and other acts). Thx a lot and stay strong!

  • @bmfan
    @bmfan 5 лет назад +16

    9845
    Glad you guys enjoyed it as much as you did. I honestly didn't think you guys would actually like this musically, so that was a definite surprise. The vocals definitely get more clearer as their production improves through the years. They just had a new album last month actually, The Furnaces of Palingenesia, and lyrically it takes a rather significant turn from the theological towards the political. Maybe you guys will get to it at some point. Also reminder about Panopticon - Black Soot and Red Blood, since you asked me for a song last fireside.

    • @bmfan
      @bmfan 5 лет назад +4

      Also keep in mind this is only Kenose I. There is also II and III which you guys will also love, musically, and lyrically.

    • @MorbidAngel31775
      @MorbidAngel31775 5 лет назад +2

      I reckon Drought is a bm masterpiece.

    • @LOLcifer_
      @LOLcifer_ 5 лет назад +2

      The new album, "Furnaces.." has some of the most complex and interesting lyrics I've ever heard in black metal. You should (if you haven't already) check out the new interview they did (just google it), their first interview in 15 years! They expound on some of the lyrics and ideas behind the album.

    • @DoyleHargraves-hr5cl
      @DoyleHargraves-hr5cl 2 года назад

      Fun fact. I beat up ANTIFA soy boys just for exercise.

  • @tarcisiojunior511
    @tarcisiojunior511 5 лет назад +10

    Great song, band and review. Congratulations.

  • @DanUrbano
    @DanUrbano 5 лет назад +5

    I´ve been waiting for this.... YEAAH!!!

  • @bobmiller6870
    @bobmiller6870 5 лет назад +19

    Please turn off your phone or at the very least put it on silent when you're doing reactions. My left eye is starting to twitch when I listen to and watch your reactions every time I hear that notification sound.

  • @montymcclellen1918
    @montymcclellen1918 5 лет назад +12

    Black metal kings of France!

  • @aamermahmoud5666
    @aamermahmoud5666 5 лет назад +14

    YES FINALLY THANK YOU BM FAN

    • @bmfan
      @bmfan 5 лет назад +8

      You're welcome.

    • @gilvanmessem9474
      @gilvanmessem9474 5 лет назад

      @@bmfan how do you feel about that the Deathspell Omega guy is right wing ?

    • @bmfan
      @bmfan 5 лет назад +6

      @@gilvanmessem9474 I feel there are two things to keep in mind here.
      1. While the evidence of Mikko participating in Nazi circles, and projects is true, he also has projects about pedophilia, and many other taboo subjects. I see Mikko less as an outright Nazi, and more like a modern day GG Allin. Still, it certainly bothers me.
      2. Deathspell Omega are most certainly an anti-fascist band. Their primary influence is a writer named Georges Bataille who was also explicitly anti-racist, and anti-fascist. Their lyrics focus on matters of transgression, endless transgression. There can be no transgression in authoritarian or fascist ideology. You can see this quite explicitly in the lyrics to the new record. All the things which the Order is deeming shall be terminated, are all things Deathspell Omega have encouraged in the past as transgressions. The record is explicitly a critique of authoritarian and fascist ideology, and in no way is glorifying it. As an example, let's look at a verse from Renegade Ashes:
      "Disobedience shall be judged a sin worse than murder, unchastity or theft. Obedience is the first law of the Order. Whilst wearing the frightening cloth of the wolf, thou truly art the epitome of submission. "
      This is basically antithesis to Deathspell Omega. Disobedience is in their very blood, and heart of their works, as exemplified in this verse from Fas.
      "What pleasure of inconceivable purity there is in being an object
      of abhorrence for the sole being to whom destiny links my life! The rupture is too profound to stand up"

    • @internalfire11
      @internalfire11 5 лет назад

      @@bmfan There is a new DSO interview on Bardo Methodology about the album... and not only album. Very interesting read, their first interview after 10 years or so...

    • @bmfan
      @bmfan 5 лет назад

      @@internalfire11 Just read it, ha.

  • @EiKukaan
    @EiKukaan 2 года назад +4

    really interesting channel, guys. i just found you cause i'm a massive DSO fan. i've only seen your sola fide vid so far which i LOVED, but i'll be checking out more in juuuuuust a moment. DSO is lyrically and instrumentally peak black metal imo. it's cool hearing well-versed christians talk about theologically well-versed BM that's fairly underground and abrasive instead of the big generic usual suspects. frankly, most black metal lyrics are very boring but DSO is one of the few BM bands that i can sit there and read lyrics along to the same songs over and over and admire the profundity. requesting more DSO vids preemptively because i already know i'm gonna love it. i doubt you'll see my comment on this old vid but cheers.

    • @blacksun6080
      @blacksun6080 7 месяцев назад +1

      Huge fan as well! Cheers! ❤

  • @jasonbrown522
    @jasonbrown522 5 лет назад +5

    It's Avant-garde black metal, which basically means it is just more artistic or progressive in nature. Very typical amongst the French scene, along with shoe-gaze black metal.

  • @sarahmvaz6772
    @sarahmvaz6772 5 лет назад +11

    Sepultura - Refuse/Resist, Sepultura - Territory

  • @Qemetiel
    @Qemetiel 22 дня назад

    As someone who has metaphorically crawled upon their belly for decades in deference to the "Serpent", I can undeniably say that I love you both for your willingness to explore "our" concepts: you are well-informed and undoubtedly worthy of inheriting a place in the Kingdom to come. I wish you the best outcomes in this life and the next. We both serve the undeniable GOD, one way or another. We are two sides of the same coin. GOD bless.

  • @isaacdissonance3967
    @isaacdissonance3967 5 лет назад +12

    The mighty theology gods finally !!!..now react to their absolute magnus opus either FAS- ITE MALEDICTI IN IGNEM AETERNUM or PARACLETUS full lenghts !!!

  • @berizont
    @berizont 29 дней назад

    dude this intro.. i get chills everytime those horns kick in. they sound like the shadow of the demiurg floating over the world like an endless rainy cloud covering the vain mortal world into darkness. than this eerie choir of lamentations rejoicing at the anticipation of death..with the horns too.. its just so otherworldy, dementedly beautiful

  • @DamonD_Absences
    @DamonD_Absences 5 лет назад +1

    I’ve been waiting for this forever. Finally!

  • @olavrell
    @olavrell 5 лет назад +15

    Would be fun to see you do a reaction to Funeral Mist - Hosanna.

    • @MorbidAngel31775
      @MorbidAngel31775 5 лет назад

      Hey don’t shout my band out to everyone.

    • @bmfan
      @bmfan 5 лет назад +1

      Funeral Mist has come up a few times in TK and XU votes. Yet to win, but it is certainly possible it will win at some point, though the songs being put forth have been Cockatrice, Across the Qliphoth, and Holy Poison.

    • @MorbidAngel31775
      @MorbidAngel31775 5 лет назад

      Use done Enthroned before

    • @wulf1572
      @wulf1572 5 лет назад +1

      Holy Poison.

    • @goatforest9974
      @goatforest9974 5 лет назад

      @@bmfan Holy Poison, Holy Doom!

  • @aavalos7760
    @aavalos7760 Год назад +1

    This video is so fun for me as someone who has always come back to this band for their sheer talent music wise. They really know how to compose a song and create what I call "moments". To see this dissected for lyrics is not only entertaining, but informative. Like I'm looking from the outside in while someone dissects one of my favorite pieces, haha.

  • @jorgequiroz1027
    @jorgequiroz1027 5 лет назад +6

    Gorguts - Nostalgia
    Morbid Angel - God of Emptiness

  • @steemonkey2000
    @steemonkey2000 4 года назад +3

    This is one of my go to numbers on karaoke

  • @maxeyed4038
    @maxeyed4038 5 лет назад +5

    SAMAEL - Slavocracy (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)

  • @diabolusabsconditus6746
    @diabolusabsconditus6746 5 лет назад +3

    If you have even greater interest in Deathspell Omega I would the highly recommend the following:
    Kenose II and III
    Fas Ite Maledicti in Ignem Aeternum
    Chaining the Katechon
    Each of these will blow you away with the density in both sound and theological knowledge!

  • @TheSlayer3628
    @TheSlayer3628 5 лет назад +1

    So glad you guys found a good recording this time around!

  • @jazzking1645
    @jazzking1645 5 лет назад +5

    Leviathan - Smoke of their Torment

  • @kostasm603
    @kostasm603 5 лет назад +14

    Septicflesh-the vampire from Nazareth please

  • @ashleyl.4611
    @ashleyl.4611 2 года назад +1

    Amazing, thank you for taking the time to do this. Perhaps 99% of people who buy a Deathspell Omega record (including myself) are unable to even scratch the surface of the themes being discussed due to a lack of background knowledge, as much as we may enjoy the music and atmosphere. I've always considered them one of my favourite bands but these sorts of videos help me give a deeper appreciation of what they do.

  • @infinite7501
    @infinite7501 5 лет назад +9

    Isn't it amazing how Satanist know more about the bible than 99% of Christians! These guys are described as Orthodox Satanist. Vin you were completely right when you said you needed to explain this to everyone but the few who would understand what they were singing about. Nice reaction. I would rate this as one of your top reactions. Badass song on top of that!!

  • @SimonH109
    @SimonH109 5 лет назад +1

    9845
    Haven't made a convert but it's truly interesting to hear you go on theology/philosophy. You're in your element here and it shows

  • @SnakeThisLife
    @SnakeThisLife 5 лет назад +2

    I'm glad you two are listening to some of their stuff. It's nice to have a deep breakdown afterwards with people who actually know A LOT about the subject matter. If the band weren't Satanists, I'm sure you'd get along extremely well.

  • @LOLcifer_
    @LOLcifer_ 5 лет назад +1

    I've literally been waiting for you to review these lyrics since I saw you guys do Her Ghost in the Fog.

  • @mel124177
    @mel124177 2 года назад +2

    Very interesting and dynamic discussion and the way you two handled it is quite amusing, insightful, intellectual, and even entertaining. The heart of the DSO thesis in this song with which they proceeded to build all their fatally flawed understanding of "kenosis," heretofore sowing the seed of doubt to the uninitiated and theologically-ignorant: " Dost thou still stand in undiminished Majesty
    , After the extinction ("extination" is a nonexistent word, they meant extinction because 'c' and 't' when written so close together by hand would look like an 'a') of divine attributes...?" The simple answer is YES, as Divinity is eternal and thus CANNOT be extinguished. What Jesus willfully took off was the effulgence of Divinity, not its essence. You may liken "kenosis" with David disrobing his royal garments at the temple during the Ark's return--being now equal with the plebs in the worship of the Most High: his outer embellishments as king gone, but his royalty and essential functions remaining (2 Sam. VI:14).
    The introductory quote from the philosopher Lovelace was an appropriate foundational premise to use philosophically, but DSO proceeded to misappropriate it with their (DSO's) fatal misunderstanding of "kenosis", that the God in Christ is the exception to that privation, while His humanity isn't. It's almost like the Catholic's misunderstanding of Mary being the "mother of God" (instead of Mary being the mother of the human in Jesus, not the God in Him) because God has NO (and will NEVER EVER have a) mother, having no beginning.
    But yeah, DSO have had some of the most poesy, intelligent, heavy-handed philosophical and theological lyrics that sets it far apart from the bankruptly vile, evil, diabolical, incoherent goobledygook spewed by 99.9% of foaming stupid black metallists! Plus their technical nuances and beautifully taut playing made me a NEW fan!! Amazing stuff. One can only pray that their "playing with the fire of Scripture" will one day "burn" them to the full knowledge of the Adonai Jesus! ;)
    Overall, very enjoyable music, and discussion Vin and Sori--not to mention the airtight theology of a well-studied and Spirit-filled Christian! That's why I'm forever a fan of u both. ^_^ The last 5 mins. of ur commentary is AMEN a thousandfold Vin!

    • @asurrealistworld4412
      @asurrealistworld4412 2 года назад +1

      I have actually heard a story of a long-time black metalhead becoming a Christian who after listening to DeathspellOmega's Kenose felt that it was so evil that it made him reconsider what he was into.

    • @mel124177
      @mel124177 2 года назад

      @@asurrealistworld4412 wow, that's an interesting tidbit man! I'd love to read (or hear/see) about it please. Do u have a link?

    • @ArdensSedVirens1
      @ArdensSedVirens1 2 года назад +1

      "It's almost like the Catholic's misunderstanding of Mary being the "mother of God""
      This isn't a misunderstanding, if you deny Mary is the Mother of God the implications that spring from that are either that Christ is not God or there are actually two Christs, the heresy of Nestorius. The reason it is important as to whether Mary is the Mother of God or not is because it is a question of whether Christ according to His humanity can be predicated towards a single subject as St. Cyril said or whether it is predicated to two subjects as Nestorius said.
      It is further important to be familiar with St. Cyril and the tradition because it also answers misunderstandings regarding the incarnation. We can say simultaneously "God is ignorant" and "God is all-knowing", or "God is weak" and "God is omnipotent", which seem contradictory at first but are not because we are predicating the subject is the person of the Logos in accordance to the natures and not that the subject is the divine nature itself.

  • @markmiliani9086
    @markmiliani9086 5 лет назад

    ...First 3 minutes of the video : WELL SAID !!! ..Great to know you are open to review brand new metal and pretty much unknown bands...KEEP IT UP ...

  • @thoroughlywithfoil
    @thoroughlywithfoil 3 года назад +2

    Deathspell Omega, Lucifer's conduit to Earth

  • @davidmachado11
    @davidmachado11 5 лет назад +7

    Moonspell - Night Eternal

  • @ResusitoR
    @ResusitoR 5 лет назад +1

    Love all the Theology in your videos!! Rev. 3:20!

  • @GenMVeers
    @GenMVeers 5 лет назад +1

    0:43 It's "GOOD Omens", Vin. The show is based on the 1990 novel of the same name by *Terry Pratchett* and *Neil Gaiman* (/ˈɡeɪmən/). Sir Terence David John Pratchett OBE (28 April 1948 - 12 March 2015) was an English author of fantasy novels, best known for his _Discworld_ series of *41* novels. Neil Richard MacKinnon Gaiman is an English author of short fiction, novels, comic books, graphic novels, nonfiction, audio theatre, and films. His works include the comic book series _The Sandman_ (SO GOOD!) and novels Stardust, American Gods, Coraline, and The Graveyard Book. He has won numerous awards, including the Hugo, Nebula, and Bram Stoker awards, as well as the Newbery and Carnegie medals.

    • @Xeper616
      @Xeper616 5 лет назад

      GenMVeers If you liked The Sandman, read Lucifer.

  • @peeweewallabowski7084
    @peeweewallabowski7084 5 лет назад +4

    Helloween ☆ Keeper of the seven keys 🎃 please! Been asking for over a year now 😂 if any Patreon sees this, please help a brother out 😁

  • @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
    @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 5 лет назад

    This was very interesting to me. I've thought about this topic in my mind not that long ago, for a while. I pretty much came to the same idea that vin was saying, but in a different manner. I love listening to the theology of christianity from vin.

  • @tristramcoffin926
    @tristramcoffin926 4 года назад +1

    side point, Sori's hair looked especially lovely that night.

  • @DLaVey
    @DLaVey 5 лет назад +1

    King Diamond - The Tree Have Eyes
    King Diamond - The Storm
    King Diamond - Arrival
    King Diamond - Haunted
    King Diamond - A Mansion in Darkness
    King Diamond - The Invisible Guests
    King Diamond - Black Hill Sanitarium
    King Diamond - Waiting
    King Diamond - Charon
    King Diamond - Dressed in White
    King Diamond - The Portrait
    King Diamond - Tea
    King Diamond - Eye of the Witch
    King Diamond - The Curse
    King Diamond - Give Me Your Soul

    • @corpazilum5352
      @corpazilum5352 5 лет назад

      Love The Curse, and the whole The Eye album. Based on the Louviers possession case.

  • @Z1PP
    @Z1PP 4 года назад +2

    I enjoy the discussion and respect your beliefs. But i can't help to think this sounds like hardcore Tolkien fans discussing the Silmarilion lol.

  • @LL-ub9tz
    @LL-ub9tz 5 лет назад +2

    Good video. For the Orthodox perspective of the subordination.
    "Orthodox Christianity confesses both the ontological equality of all three Persons of the Trinity, as well as the monarchy of the Father (as it was called). There is a heretical subordination of the Son to the Father (as in Arianism, which the insertion of the homoousios in the Creed was designed to exclude), but there is also an Orthodox subordinationism which makes the Father the cause (Greek aitia) of the Son. In the words of the late John Meyendorff (in his Byzantine Theology), “The Cappadocian Fathers eliminated the ontological subordinationism of Origen and Arius, but they preserved a Biblical and Orthodox subordinationism, maintaining the personal identity of the Father as the ultimate origin of all divine being and action”. And this subordination of the Son to the Father can be found in the economy of salvation as well, for St. Paul writes that “God is the head of Christ” just as in marriage “the man is the head of the woman” (1 Cor. 11:3). At the end also, in the age to come, “the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him”-i.e. the Son will be subjected to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). Clearly ontological equality is compatible with hierarchical subordination.
    Such a refusal to allow the combination of the two complementary concepts is explicable in secular thought, which seems unable to progress beyond the concept of relationship as power struggle and which sees all things in terms of competing “human rights”. Liberal Protestantism especially has proven itself captive of such a narrow and unthinking secularism. But it is more perplexing to see such an inability to combine the concepts in Orthodox writers, who should be quite at home with the concept of a godly hierarchy. Saying (as one such Orthodox writer recently did) that “the subordination or submission principle subverts the unequivocal patristic teaching of the ontological equality of men and women” and that “the ancient Fathers of the Church, good philosophers and theologians that they were, saw the incompatibility between equality and subordination or submission” is simply nonsensical, and contrary to everything within Orthodox life. The Fathers held that women and men were ontologically equal, and yet they still insisted that the wife submit to her husband-largely because they could read the New Testament, which they considered to be authoritative. It was not just St. Paul who insisted on the subordination of the wife to her ontologically equal husband (Eph. 5:22f), but Fathers such as Chrysostom also: “Let us take as our fundamental position then that the husband occupies the place of the ‘head’ and the wife the place of the ‘body’” (Homily XX on Ephesians)."
    blogs.ancientfaith.com/nootherfoundation/ontological-equality-hierarchical-subordination/

    • @LL-ub9tz
      @LL-ub9tz 5 лет назад

      The song is crap though. Their first album is better than this bloated and rambling technical gibberish haha

  • @andrewbrorherton6898
    @andrewbrorherton6898 5 лет назад +3

    Helloween- Keeper of Seven Keys

  • @godisgracious3505
    @godisgracious3505 4 месяца назад

    When I first watched this video a didn't know a hair of the Bible. Like nothing. Only 5 years earlier i barely discovered who Judas was by accident. I was sitting with family and they brought up Judas and i was like "who tf is that"? And they can barely believe my ignorance.
    I was very into the Kenose album because lots of dso songs are like a long story and the songs would change. So i appreciated this band a lot and as someone who was very atheistic and totally ignorant of scripture. I was shocked to see how much this band had cohesive lyrical and well as instrumental content. It's was like a story that in my perspective seemed to have discredited God and scripture and that made me very excited. At the same time i was captivated about the scriptures and how knowledgeable Vin was. When Vin said that this is not simple to grapple with... I thought "heck na" i'm absolutely lost and totally gone yet i like the mysterious things whether it was from the Bible or deathspell omega or both because i realized it was through Christians that i really learned about DSO lyrically which is not a small thing whatsoever. And so somewhere in my mind i stayed stuck on the knowledge side of Christianity. I also thought well i gotta be smart and I'm not getting it lol. But i was also quite desperately ill and was in the middle of an existential crisis which months later turned into something serious and later my testimony. So i have much so connect these things as meaningful life events. I remember telling a friend of mine about DSO lyrically, My friend was bothered about the biblical context of DSO yet still meaningful events that i have connected together with my later salvation.
    Thank you so much for this upload and I'll need to watch the other DSO reactions. It will be a doozy and this is the one i paid particular attention to with focus and not quite sure about the others at this time.
    Talk to y'all soon! Take care 🔥

  • @deadset8091
    @deadset8091 4 года назад

    So glad you finally got to DeathSpellOmegA

  • @onelove6576
    @onelove6576 5 лет назад +2

    Do something on the christian black metal band Horde!

  • @zigotina
    @zigotina 4 года назад +1

    43:49 that's what is all this about lol

  • @stellarcubicbeam7760
    @stellarcubicbeam7760 10 месяцев назад

    9:03 I've been listening to all type of music, this part is just pure strength.

  • @andrewbrorherton6898
    @andrewbrorherton6898 5 лет назад +5

    Anathema- Untouchable live from Bulgaria

    • @sunilshivanand2008
      @sunilshivanand2008 5 лет назад +2

      what a performance that was .. one of the best

    • @GenMVeers
      @GenMVeers 5 лет назад +1

      @@sunilshivanand2008 Agreed, but Vin and Sori should start with the debut album to experience the *whole* evolution of Anathema, with songs like _Sleepless_ or _Sweet Tears_ (man, I love that one!).

    • @andrewbrorherton6898
      @andrewbrorherton6898 5 лет назад +1

      @@GenMVeers Im not totally against that but just trying to get them to react to one song by them is challenging lol.

    • @andrewbrorherton6898
      @andrewbrorherton6898 5 лет назад +1

      @@GenMVeers Im starting to get used to the older stuff. We The Gods and Restless oblivion are pretty good as well.

    • @GenMVeers
      @GenMVeers 5 лет назад +1

      @@andrewbrorherton6898 *Truth!* Pretty much no chance... unless you pay $75 for the reaction... - Sadly, I usually _don't_ have the time to check my mailbox for RUclips notifications of replies to my comments, let alone _reply_ to a reply. Luckily, today I had some time to check my latest notifications *:)*

  • @MsAndragora
    @MsAndragora 5 лет назад +1

    Mayhem - life eternal !!!

  • @MarkBuckle
    @MarkBuckle 5 лет назад +2

    The petition is to stop netflix showing Good Omens.... good omens is on Amazon prime. Good job protesters lol

  • @marrow226
    @marrow226 5 лет назад +2

    Now we need some Blut Aus Nord

    • @bmfan
      @bmfan 5 лет назад +2

      Blut Aus Nord sadly is very unlikely to win any patreon votes. Trust me, we want to do BAN, but their lyrics are pretty much all unpublished, and without lyrics, the reaction is pointless.

    • @marrow226
      @marrow226 5 лет назад

      @@bmfan I totally get that. Some of the albums have extensive liner notes and such that almost serve as lyrical content, but it's not quite the same. I know MVII had a lot of Buddhist text that I have translated into a notebook somewhere. Same with the 777 trilogy and What Once Was. If it helps BaN to get the vote, I'll supply the translations to whomever wants them

  • @ayeewtasko2601
    @ayeewtasko2601 5 лет назад +9

    Opeth - Demon of the Fall!!

  • @styrkjarsteibjorn1860
    @styrkjarsteibjorn1860 5 лет назад +4

    Inquisition - Obscure Verses for the Multiverse

  • @amilcarhidalgoshHamilkar
    @amilcarhidalgoshHamilkar 5 лет назад +1

    great band great review

  • @scottmattson5627
    @scottmattson5627 5 лет назад +2

    My dying bride, your river

  • @krxontx
    @krxontx 5 лет назад +2

    These videos are awesome, you guys should react to Humanity's Last Breath Abyssal Mouth...

  • @ayeewtasko2601
    @ayeewtasko2601 5 лет назад

    9845 watched the whole thing. All gobbledygook but still enjoyable listening to you guys passionately talk about what essentially amounts to a farce lol ;)

  • @blackwidow4166
    @blackwidow4166 5 лет назад +3

    Sólstafir - Fjara

  • @ivanerazo9961
    @ivanerazo9961 5 лет назад +2

    Please bal sagoth .. black moon broods over lemuria

    • @EEvanCh
      @EEvanCh 3 года назад

      "Into the silent chambers..." is also great!

  • @rectalfondue2729
    @rectalfondue2729 5 лет назад +1

    I don't think the bible was ever intended to be taken literally, its more useful to look at it as a deeply psychological and philosophical examination of human nature and morality.

  • @maro6041
    @maro6041 5 лет назад +3

    Portal"curtain" please

  • @ernestogarcia4660
    @ernestogarcia4660 5 лет назад +8

    Magical thinking at its best. the logic has nothing to do when speaking about religion. i respect you guys though

  • @andreaantolini2711
    @andreaantolini2711 2 года назад

    mi sento sicuro in casa stas tra le coperte mi sento rilassato

  • @hellbach6268
    @hellbach6268 5 лет назад +2

    Dodheimsgard - traces of reality

  • @chickenbonelives
    @chickenbonelives 2 года назад

    Every moment of time exists simultaneously in eternity. It's not beyond Jesus to exist eternally bodily in glory and also give us all of himself in the eucharist.

  • @raymondwirth89
    @raymondwirth89 5 лет назад +1

    I feel like Satan is coming

  • @basedsalty6970
    @basedsalty6970 5 лет назад +4

    This is morbid and very dark guys

  • @DethronerX
    @DethronerX 5 лет назад

    wow was this song a trip or what!
    Please check Kreator - Tormentor ( and the cover by Black Witchery is also badass)
    Would be killer if you guys once in a while did original+cover videos. One original song and then it's cover, especially from a tribute album, based on requests.
    There is Slatanic Slaughter (Slayer tribute album), Nativity in Black (Sabbath), Sepultural Feast (Sepultura), A Call to Irons (Maiden) and of course, Tribute to Kreator (2000)

  • @jomu8105
    @jomu8105 4 года назад

    Look at God like a bottle of liquid magical essence. He pours some of Himself into a cup. After 33 years this essence is absorbed back into the bottle. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

  • @zigotina
    @zigotina 4 года назад +1

    48:35 you yourself concluded here that belief in jesus is just a tool to not feel nihilistic about the meaninglessness of life

    • @xbm7931
      @xbm7931 3 года назад +3

      You sure connected alot of dots there buddy. No she didn't. She said "IF, I DIDN'T BELIEVE...I would be nihlistic"...that's completely different than saying "I don't want to be nihlistic, so I believe".
      Example, if I wasn't an omnivore, I'd be a vegan.

  • @LL-ub9tz
    @LL-ub9tz 5 лет назад +1

    You guys should have a discussion with Jay Dyer.

  • @smellycat6273
    @smellycat6273 5 лет назад +7

    S E P U L T U R A -- D E A D E M B R Y O N I C C E L L S

  • @zockor
    @zockor 5 лет назад +1

    Gojiraaaaaaaa - Of blood and salt

  • @lefterisphasarias8934
    @lefterisphasarias8934 5 лет назад

    RUclips captions: I'm Then, I'm Sorry.

  • @AgoraphobicNews
    @AgoraphobicNews 4 года назад

    gotta love deathspell omega! One of the few black meta bands that I actually like!

    • @trinitymatrix9719
      @trinitymatrix9719 Год назад

      Then u should definitely check out LENGSEL - a truly unique BM avantgarde that sounds unlike anything else u have heard. Emperor easily rival deathspell omega for musical proficiency

  • @rubenc4696
    @rubenc4696 3 года назад

    God is a paradox that does not contradict itself

  • @corpazilum5352
    @corpazilum5352 5 лет назад

    Not only that, but Good Omens is a limited thing and was just adapting the book, so it's like they're saying cancel the show that's already done lol.

  • @herrsexr
    @herrsexr 5 лет назад

    Great review!!!! Please do magnificant satanas from arkhon infaustus

  • @SuperGolgotha
    @SuperGolgotha 5 лет назад

    Ha, I wouldn't put it past the producers of that show to start the protest against it to get people to check it out. The PMRC sticker on albums sold a lot of records.

  • @Sandemose
    @Sandemose 5 лет назад

    Is that Ligety used in the intro, or Schnittke?

  • @haithamalkilany3785
    @haithamalkilany3785 3 года назад

    this is progressive black metal

  • @Ghoulstille
    @Ghoulstille 3 года назад

    You guys really need to turn off your notifications or at least mute em before making a video.

  • @ZombieDragQueen
    @ZombieDragQueen 4 года назад

    29:30 Vin: "Should I tell her she's a Nestorian heretic? Yeah, we should probably cut here and have a chat about about it."

  • @T-mert
    @T-mert 3 года назад

    d.omega??? wow you guys great :)))))))))))))))))))))) and hello Carrie-Anne Moss

  • @tristramcoffin926
    @tristramcoffin926 4 года назад

    I wonder how excited Mikko Aspa is that his song just became a Bible Study.

    • @TheJohannes44
      @TheJohannes44 4 года назад +6

      It's not his song - he merely provides the vocals. According to the interview they gave, the creative "circle" is French exclusively.

    • @hazardousjazzgasm129
      @hazardousjazzgasm129 4 года назад

      Jesus christ you people keep popping up like weeds and cockroaches

    • @VillageIdiotFs
      @VillageIdiotFs 3 года назад +2

      He doesn't write any lyrics whatsoever

  • @felderup
    @felderup 5 лет назад

    burning bush, angel of the lord is yahweh... as it is written, palpatine spoke through a volunteer he possessed, is not palpatine yet is palpatine.

  • @ducatista695
    @ducatista695 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the review. I love this album. Great band. If you like them check out Clandestine Blaze.

  • @bringerovlight8412
    @bringerovlight8412 5 лет назад

    Damn I want vin to compose lyrics for my band

  • @TeaParty4Thugs
    @TeaParty4Thugs 5 лет назад

    9,845. Vin, I swear I could listen to your theological tangents all day long. What were some of your comments whenever you quoted a powerful line? It was (something) Allah, and the other was sadakt(?). What do those mean?

    • @VinAndSori
      @VinAndSori  5 лет назад +2

      “Sadact” means “you have spoken the truth well” “allahu Akbar” means “god is the greatest” “subhanallah” means “glory to god”

    • @TeaParty4Thugs
      @TeaParty4Thugs 5 лет назад

      Those are beautiful. You guys are great!

  • @jayjaygriffin8964
    @jayjaygriffin8964 4 года назад

    I am really into hardcore, grindcore, black metal and other obscure extreme metal and punk. But my favorite band is ACxDC which stands for Antichrist Demoncore and my favorite album is called Satan is King. Check it out