Tesla NACS chargers now likely to get billions in support from Biden administration
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- Опубликовано: 24 дек 2023
- Tesla NACS chargers now likely to get billions in support from Biden administration
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That's one of the things everyone thinks Elon was nuts about. Building out that charging network. Truth be told I thought it was going to bankrupt him. Now he was proven right again. Instead of a "If you build it, they will come" attitude that the OEM's were adopting Tesla went and did it themselves. Now it's many times bigger than anybody else's and the standard going forward.
And it will be a money printer forever.
@@monkeysezbegood Elon and Tesla don't gouge on prices though. They wont be making as much money as you think. Profit will be a very low margin.
@@1flash3571they get money from each charge, but also billions from allowing other companies customers to use them 😂…..
They turned something that was just using up resources to a money printer…. Tf
@1flash3571 I hope that non Tesla owners don't get charged a premium. I've read recently that the rate at Tesla Superchargers is typically around twice the local residential rate, $0.25/kWh to $0.50/kWh. There was also talk of making the hardware open source. I would think that if public funds are being used to build NACS chargers that on at least those chargers, there should be parity on the price for every vehicle plugging in. I would also think that if not now, at some point these publicly funded chargers would be not owned by Tesla.
@@garywozniak7742 I pay 41¢ to 47¢ at the EVgo station I visit regularly. This is 4 times the PSE rate. Because of my current situation it's 4 times a week. Costing me the same amount as gas daily.
I remember hearing a short seller saying this would never. I wonder where he is now 😂
The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
The CCS charging standard was created by ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope and desire EV’s would never catch on.
In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a museum or electronic surplus store.
Pick one up at Radio Shack next to the Kodak camera and Blackberry! 🤣
And Europe, because Nacs works well for 2 phase 220v, but not as well for 3 phase 220v.
@@ShihanQu
What do you need 3 phase for when you have DC?
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 You need it for Home-charging in Europe.
@@ShihanQuUS 220V service is single phase, but split, not 2 phase.
Next hurdle will be getting covered charging stalls, for thunder showers and snowstorms.
Already a thing at bigger stations in the US, not that it's a real issue to take 5 seconds to plug your car in.
Oh boy. I’m now certain we are going to see some poor guy standing at a Tesla charger getting struck by lighting. The media will pay big bucks for that video.
It be nice to you acknowledged Aptera.
Though aptera was still under early development stages, Aptera committed to using Tesla's charging technology much earlier than ford.
I believe Aptera is now producing vehicles.
Stanley Monroe said after a vehicles are excellent, and fit a demographic that others do not.
Aptera pushed for a petition of the Government to have the Tesla connector made the North American Standard and raised awareness of the need for this. Sandy Munro and his wife, who is a highly qualified engineer, both agreed that the Tesla connector is the most elegant and easy to use connector for both young and old with the connector being much more ergonomic and efficient than any other in the world.
Aptera is ramping up production and has finalized the molds for the body and frame components with those parts now being pressed and checked for quality. They are still ticking off the boxes on the supply chain and making headway on that to. They should be in production sometime in 2024 once they pass final DOT approval Every month they are making good progress towards this coming one step closer.
Best!
@@neilfromclearwaterfl81I'd love to get one, but here in SF the drivers would crash into one of the front wheels...
@@AllDogsAreGoodDogs That's awful to hear!
So no CanAm's or other reverse trikes, Plymouth Prowlers/Street Rods or any of the millions of vehicles on the road that are 14 inches wider than the Aptera? 8.5 feet with mirrors/safety equipment is whats currently out there.
They need to retest everyone for their drivers licenses and stiffen the penalties for being at-fault when they crash into other vehicles.
Best!
Sandy Munro
@@neilfromclearwaterfl81 tricycles are not safe
Tesla offered it's patents pretty much for free 14 years ago. Their chargers on on their 4th generation, and yet some still resist.
………….. an short Tesla stock SAD SAD SAD SAD SAD SAD…….. there’s all kinda people in the world
NACS just happened this year. My 2018 Model 3 won't even work on it, because NACS communicates with CCS, though I could have Tesla replace the port for $400 and then it would.
@@fjalics How/where do you fast charge?
Ever hear of the not invented here syndrome?
@@mnhstyTesla V2 Superchargers and older Tesla cars only speak Tesla’s CAN. V3 and V4 Superchargers and newer Teslas speak both Tesla CAN and CCS. NACS is a hybrid of Tesla’s physical plug and CCS communications. Older Teslas that only speak CAN will only be able to use Tesla Superchargers and not third party NACS chargers. Non-Tesla NACS cars will only be able to use V3 and later Superchargers. It’s going to be a bit of a mess until the older systems age out.
I will not have to go through "adapter hell," I drive a Tesla.
But you will have to put up with other brandd using the chargers.
@@garywozniak7742 Tesla has/had 2 years to add more chargers. It has already opened some chargers to non Tesla cars using magic dock Mostly in areas where there are underutilized chargers. This will encourage Tesla and others to build chargers in less densely populated areas.
From the moment everyone OEM will have NACS, the sales are going to EXPLODE!
Standardization is a good thing!
Sales of what is going to explode? Teslas? Yes; anything else? not so much.
@@tedmoss Everything else. There are plenty of people who want EVs but don't want Teslas, or bought Teslas because they were the only practical option due to the charging situation. When everyone has access to the Tesla network, sales of non-Tesla EVs will explode. The build quality on my brand new Tesla is trash, as other companies catch up i will definitely leave the brand.
@@OtisFlint gas cars 20 times more likely to catch on fire than teslas
@@tedmoss Teslas are bland.
Reminds me from over 40 years ago when it was Sony Betamax vs. VHS players. We know who won that short war. Well Tesla, as was the case with VHS is the clear-cut winner.
EVs are Betamax..
You may have that ass backwards, as we shall see...@@ciupak7932
Aptera has always stated to be NAC.
Please, please, other automakers... when you install NACS connectors on your vehicles, put them in a location that is compatible with existing Tesla Supercharger parking (I.e., rear driver side or front passenger side). Otherwise mass confusion will ensue. Merry Christmas.
Or, any adaptor would need to have a 3 foot extention cord attached to it.
Are Tesla cables that short? Most Hyundai's (like my Kona) are on the LH front end.
@@Strato50 Yes. Most of them are pretty short and even Teslas must back all the way up to the curb stop. I hear some of the new ones with Magic Docks are longer though.
Elon says Check Mate...😊
It's possible, make comment while offline (4daysago) then posted today online
@@vincecarlo Do you think it is a black flag sort of operation. Make Elon look bad with obvious stupidity.
Cheers mate
The IRA rules always stated that a condition for receiving the funds were that the chargers needed be opened to ALL electric vehicles. Now that Tesla is opening it's network up, they qualify for IRA funds. Electrified America helped immensely by their atrocious reliability and availability which forced automakers to make deals with Tesla.
This is final blow to ICE as their infrastructure argument will now disappear with Tesla's massive Supercharger network and their 99.98% reliability.
Stellantis/Chrysler not joining yet is a moot point since they have no EVs in North America.
Tesla today=Ford+ Standard Oil ( Rockefeller)+Bell labs back 1910+IBM+AI!!!
Government shouldn’t be subsidizing anything. 34 trillion in debt
Morning mate
I have Level 2 J1772 charging at home. Will my next car require a new EVSE?
The highest quality charger adapter company has committed to making CCS to NACS adapters available for CCS EVs at a low price near $100 so the NACS standard should be exclusively built out as a long term strategy. I own two CCS EVs and plan on getting an adapter. Electrify America chargers are a PIA.
I am interested to see when the adapters start becoming available.
I expect the adapters will work when the software on the cars and chargers all speak to each other. The adapters is the easy part.
They are available and have been for some time. I bought one for my Tesla just for the hell of it and my son bought one for his VW ID4. So they go both ways.
As I understand it then the " charger " is built in the car. What is being discussed is the connector ?
@jbbeiser983
That is true for AC charging which is below 20 Kw (usually 6KW though)
For DC charging they bypass the car internal charger and connect directly to the battery. Then the charger decides how to deal with the battery.
The CCS plug has 2 separate pins that connect the charger directly to the batteries.
The Tesla NACS uses the same connection pins for AC and DC charging. The car electronics talks to the connection to decide if it gets a direct connection to the battery or if it goes to the internal charger.
@tedmoss
Good to know. I will look around for them.
399 like 63 comment Gudday mate super stoked effort cant thank u enuf commentary on great information best news all day!!!
Exciting times
So is the spec for the connector just include how to engineer the interface or does it also include things like communications with the charging unit?
NACS uses the CCS communication protocol. This is different from the Tesla protocol. Tesla's use the CAN bus and a simpler handshake. CCS uses Ethernet over Power and a more complicated authentication protocol. V3 Superchargers support both, V2 chargers only support the Tesla protocol. As a result NACS cars will only be able to use V3 and V4 Superchargers, they won't be able to charge at V2s. Newer Tesla cars support both protocols older Teslas like my 2019 only support the Tesla protocol. It's an open question as to whether cars like mine will be able to charge at third party NACS chargers, they can't use the CCS adapter but what the native NACS chargers do hasn't been specified.
It’s for the connector. NACS and CCS already use the same communication protocol.
Have you ever seen a gas pump out in the open rain or snow? I can see them trying to implement co-pays and deductibles for covered EV charging stalls.
I remember seeing those Tesla chargers here in Florida at gas stations/rest stops on major toll roads way back in 2005.... 2005! I was thinking "what the hell is that?" Lol! Tesla TSLA!
CCS2 has ergonomic issues but it well established in Europe, Australia and many other places. Many people use 3 phase AC charging at home and out and about and this is one advantage. NACS needs 3 phase to be viable elsewhere and it is just not possible. It's good but has some downsides
2:10 EU use a region standard "CCS Combo 2" so US are catching up on a region standard. That include Tesla in EU.
What’s the count of CCS cars on the road today in the United States?
Still great news.
Thanks!
NACS is still used in Canada & Mexico, correct? Just to clarify. It's not just the U.S.
It’s in the name. North American Charging Standard.
I wonder what will happen when there are Tesla Chargers in South America? Maybe they will just have to rename it ACS!
@@johnleeinslc Lol true. He seemed to imply US only at 1 point but i forget the timestamp
@@johnleeinslc Really, a rose by any other name...
@@johnleeinslcthe SAE designation has its own model number. J something or other
Guy at 00:20 demonstrates the main advantage of EVs for Americans … they can smoke while they’re fuelling their car.
… surely that’s something that middle America can get behind.
those same people already smoke at gas pumps LOL
my bolt is a j1772 ............ but i bought a adapter so i can use the Tesla chargers if i ever get stuck somewhere,,,
Until you have a way to pay for the charging you are stuck.
Some time next year GM is supposed to able you to pay for Tesla charging thru the gm app but only on some superchargers.
A single standard is good but I'd like to see alternative charging networks to Tesla's using the same NACS standard. So, there will not be a de facto monopoly of only Tesla Superchargers. That will create a more price competitive environment.
All networks will be able to use NACS so no monopoly there.
Best!
Other charging companies are going to add Tesla plugs to their chargers do monopoly l.
Smh. How is there a monopoly when other manufacturers are making their own but just using the NACS standard to plug into the car. It's the same as gas stations. Different companies all use the same nozzle but it's from their company.
Millions of CCS cars? You mean maybe a few hundred thousand at most.
Really ?? Nearly every automaker worldwide has committed to Tesla charging standard? Chinese automakers?
I think the naast adoption is good. The one thing I do expect is that the nacs is as kind to both current EVs on the market and work as reliable on the old and new EVs, even with the adapters. What I do often see is there is little incentive to support existing EVs on the market, whole this second hand EV market is more relevant to most people as they transition to EVs in terms of affordability. I am getting an impression in many stories and insights in the second hand market is that they are oftem an afterthought in support. The reason why, it is an impression, is because the business model at the end of the day is still sellimg more cars than the more costly aapect of maintaining current EVs on the market. I heat little about quality aftermarket solutions to professionally amd reliablynupgrade current EVs on the market to new changes, such as chargers in this case. I would like to hear and see more on aftermarket support for second hand, or more, vehicles on the road., today, to see a more robust EV market in general. The main impression I'm getting today is that there is only more focus in nee cheap EVs, bit little to keep cheaper existing EVs on the market and keep them up with the times.
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hi Sam, if I place my order of the Model 3 after January 1, will i be garanteed to get the highlander version? thanks
A guess is that the Highland Model 3 will become available after Jan 1, but we don't know that for certain yet.
No
Highland versions are already arriving from orders a few weeks ago !!
Oh if you order after Jan 1st you will pay if in NSW over $5200 more
That’s gonna very with your location. Better check with Tesla.
The only thing positive about the CCS charge connector is, is that in the rest of the world 3 phase 400 V. Is everywhere available. Companies, supermarkets, parking garages and even homes can make a reasonable charge available with just a plug on the wall instead of an expensive charge-station. Example with 32 A socket. USA 32A x 220V = 7 kW. The rest of the world 32 A x 400 V x √3 = 22 kW. This is even enough to top up delivery vans overnight. Apart from that the Tesla connector is more user friendly.
Whose hones have 480 volt power in homes?
Europe plugs are 240 volt not 480 volts.
I charge at 9kw at home...
More than enough time to charge my battery overnight.
Nothing gained by charging faster at home.
You still need a wall box to charge at home.
An SBB 11kw wall box charger is 519 Euros..
The Tesla wall connector is $475.
@@thomaswilson2917 It's written 400 V not 480. As in 3 phase the line to line voltage is U x √3 (230 x √3 = 400 V). Those 3 phases are available in almost every building/home. But for home only 1 of them (with the neutral of coarse) is used for a house. The 240 V is now common in Europe, which gives you 415 V between phases.
@@benverdel3073 you are correct.
Europe outlets are between phase and ground.
Europe wall boxes seem to be 7.4 11 and 22kw.
Yes more kw charges faster but I have a 9 kw charger at home and had no trouble charging overnight my vehicle.
Only advantage would be at public chargers where 22 kw would be faster
I live in western Washington state, commonly called the Puget Sound region. Our electricity is managed by Puget Sound Energy (PSE, not to be confused with PG&E), serving 4M people over 6,000 square miles. It provides both electricity and natural gas, although my natural gas is supplied by Cascade Natural Gas. 46% of electricity is supplied by local power plants with the rest purchased from other utilities in the USA and Canada. PSE has begun a project to install (worthless) DC and Level 2 chargers using CCS connectors. I don't understand why they're wasting their (our) money installing these chargers (usually just a few chargers at each location with only 3 locations currently operational) when NACS-based chargers will replace them in a year or so. The only good thing about these chargers is they are being supplied with 100% renewable energy through their Green Power program.
The fed's give the money to the states, the states then accept bids and decide location, Tesla has been installing chargers with both NACS and CCS with IRA funds.
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we need more standard parts and interfaces for EVs
Well, with NACS, now that's happening in America, standardizing on a nice convenient connector and charging standard. I'm not sure what else you'd standardize about EV parts and interface, other than windshield wiper blades and such.
You can’t standardise a disruptive technology, otherwise you stifle innovation. Unfortunately you need to let the different technologies fight it out and when a clear winner is obvious, then you can start a process of standardisation once the new tech becomes the new norm. We are seeing that with Nacs vs CCS in North America. It may well be CCS in Europe
@@zoransarin5411 The standardization of parts is itself disruptive
It the inevitable
well ford did not want to use all its money from the usa that was to be used for a charging system 12,000 already tom use so how much did ford POCKET for bonuses to top dogs or is it for?
Lets face it , without massive loads of taxpayers cash these joke vehicles would not exist .
Fast charging is not good for the batteries. CCS, charging at a faster rate will shorten the life of your battery your battery. Three phase is unnecessary
Stelantis not joining the Tesla charging network isn’t a problem because nobody buys those cars anyway.
Good news IF Biden finally funds the EV charging network that Tesla builds not only for its customers but pretty much for all EV owners... Elon is full of win!!!
There will not be “millions of CCS on the road”. Thousands yes. It will be like Chademo and go bye bye.
As long as they use the fuel subsidies they pay to the gas companies.. . What could be wrong with that.....drop fuel subsidies and build charging infrastructure......dont use my tax dollar for both
What fuel subsidies?
What fuel subsidies ? The feds and the states tax the hell out of fuel as they soon will be doing to electricity used at charging stations.
@@billmM3605 did you say a tax is a subsidy? What?
The subsidies when the oil runs out and the shell oil companies leave the mess for taxpayers and all the write downs they get for “exploration”….. be in denial all you like …. It’s your money
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It's about time! Will never forget Biden saying GM is the leader of ev. Their whatever new vehicle is crap. That's just embarrassing. If you don't got nothing good to say, don't say nothing. Shoulf have a higher bar than Republicans.
Biden supports unions and Tesla is not union. But, this decision had to be done. It's just an obvious win all around. A lot of union car companies will also sell EVs and benefit from this.
We need a AI based brain for president.
This is like Measurements and weight. Going off on their own.
I dont like working on american machines because if the nutty nuts & bolts you cant replace easily and the extra tools, other resons too.
Modern US vehicles use metric fasteners - have for a while. Older cars of course didn’t but that would also be true on an old English MG.
@@skyflight99 Im a printer. Machines associated to that.
Really a HUGE WIN for Tesla ....................they will have a monopoly at first and it will take years to undue it, just think of the Government allocation going to Tesla, not a win for unions , the next 3 million chargers will built union free
How many cars are on the road today? 3 million may be right (who knows), but it's worth the temporary advantage it gives Tesla.
Why is it that Tesla is able to develop and implement their charging network without any outside funding, but other automakers need this. This alone shows the internal drive to create the best product in the market and willing to invest in that. It took Tesla almost 10 to reach the point where they now are and build cars that are excellent and becoming the standard for others with a cost structure that is coming down, increasing margins. They’re willing to spend time in developing completely new products together with the necessary tooling in house and accept that it takes longer than expected. Hence the famous Elon time.
No wonder that traditional automakers have a problem with developing new compelling and competitive electric vehicles. They’re not willing to spend billions of dollars and a decade to develop their answer to Tesla.
Legacy auto have a "mindset" problem. Too many MBA managers, who give no credence to the engineers who actually know something about EVs and cars. So they penny pinch on software and battery development and end up with poor specs - result, their cars are inferior...
@@howardj602 sure, after they’ve spend billions in rolling out the infrastructure they have now. Not only in the US, but worldwide.
This is quite a silly narrative. I think you have it completely backwards. It is bad government policy to subsidize 1 company’s chargers that work exclusively on their own cars. So Tesla immediately began exploring magic dock, then, later agreements with other automakers when they opened up their standard. SAE jumps in and we now have the J3400 standard no longer in Tesla’s full control with modifications to benefit rollouts based on US infrastructure. Merely days later, the government agrees to include Tesla. What the government wanted was to fund a standard across the industry . Rather than CCS, it turned out to be J3400. I think that is just fine from the government perspective and it looks like their initial policy did, in fact, incentivize getting to a standard. So I don’t think the government begrudges any of this. Both sides are winners here.
So what's going to happen to Electrify America?
Is there something bad here that would harm them?
@@markhathaway9456 Most of their gear is not Nacs.
Bankrupt
My expectations is that it will be sold to the highest bidder unless it can achieve useful profitability prior to the $2B running out. One can argue that EA is filling a space that may have been better served by a company not part of an ICE company that feels it is being ruined by EVs.
They can change the plug if they want to
Like the IPhone plug and all of the other manufacturers! A standard charger plug is a must. Stop wasting time. But, Elon, just don't sell Tesla to China!
Sam you really should discuss why NACS does not apply to the rest of the world
It’s because the rust of the world has sane leaders that standardize things that can draw 500kw from the power grid. The US resistance to standards is such a joke. Imagine if power outlets didn’t have a standard.
@@TJPaveyrest of the world uses all different connectors.
Japan is different from Europe.
China is different from Europe.
Europe CCS connector is an abomination..
If you ever actually used and compared Tesla vs CCS connectors and cables no way would you want to use CCS.
The Tesla connector supports the same 800 volt 350kw charging as CCS.
@@TJPaveyHopefully the rest of the world eventually standardizes on the better NACS connector, and goes away from kludgy, bulky connectors that look like they were designed a century ago. Lots of megawatt equipment gets connected to the grid, has been for many decades, lots of experience and knowledge in that. And not all that equipment is identical.
Because CCS2 is mandated in the EU and it's a fait accompli everywhere else. The AC side of NACS is two phase which is the standard in North America. Most of the rest of the world uses three phase. The difference between CCS1 and CCS2 is that CCS1 uses two phase AC and CCS2 uses three phase. Tesla certainly could have provided a third pin in three phase countries but they never got the chance because the EU mandated CCS2 and three phase markets outside of the EU aren't big enough for them to have created a different Tesla connector just for those markets.
@@thomaswilson2917I don’t make any comments about which is superior. The reality is that this tech is effectively a part of the power grid. To not pick a standard is crazy.
Poor maintainance has killed CCS1/2 in the USA, meanwhile Tesla kit works, simple.
Cant charge a vehicle if no electricity. Look at Maine. LOL. It will be worse in the summer.
Generally gas stations can not sell gas without electricity. No gasoline power pumps or point of sales terminals. Home solar and batteries rule.
@@howardj602 Indeed. 90% of charging is still happening at home. The real need for charging infrastructure is highway side. Like truck stops. We need to find a way to power these. I have suggested another grid specifically for this use instead of attempting to accommodate it with the existing grid. If we are going to have electric freight trucks something along this line has to happen. Expect push back for entities now collecting our money.
This is good, one standard charging port for all EVs benefits everyone in as much as have more charging stations available and brings down cost and inconvenience of carrying adaptors.
Nothing about EVS is good.
@@markmiller8903 What is your reasoning for saying that?
@@markmiller8903 try filling up at home.
Try warming up your gas car in the winter without opening the garage.
door.
Try sitting in your car for an hour in the winter while your wife shops and not running the engine for an hour.
No oil changes no tuneups no brake jobs
No giving money to Opec and greedy oil companies
I almost wonder if the reason that GM, Ford and the rest of them have made promises this year to switch to NACS in the future is just a ploy to stop people buying Teslas now, stringing their customers along with the promise that some time down the track their CCS charging hell will be over, and they will have an EV just as good as a Tesla. Only problem is, what if these promises are as reliable as their other projections to increase EV production, bring out dozens of new models, to catch up with Tesla etc etc. There's no way I would be buying a non Tesla EV until they actually start making them with NACS ports, or at the very least, if I get an adapter with the vehicle at purchase. Surely, if these adapters are going to work, why not get them into production now, and make sure they work with the Tesla network, and are backwards compatible with every EV already on the road, maybe after a software update? It seems like Tesla's moat is going to hold for just a little bit longer, the way things are going...
Tesla has a lot more going for it than the charging network.
North American Charging Standard
@@vincecarlo And?
Thats like no fukking brainer.
This is great news for Tesla and doubles down on them becoming the largest energy company in the USA, in Europe the gas stations are begining to instal super chargers at selected gas stations, this will happen in the states if it is not already happening. Tesla will own the world in 20 years time
That is not Tesla's goal if you check the mission statements.
Nice byproduct for being the best
@@danharold3087 The goal is to become one of the major energy players in the US... read the mission ...
@@hawklord100 Tesla's mission statement is "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy". That is likely to result in being a major player. But I don't think major player was ever in the statement. Prove me work.
@@danharold3087 Yes it was, Tesla has stated it will become a major distributor, it isnt't making megapacks and selling solar panels without it being part of the misson... keep digging pal lol
Stupid not to. We need em.
The battery charger is built into the car, it converts AC to DC. The charging stations are providing household current to your EV so the plugs should have been universal from the start. The EV designers figured the owners would charge up at home each day and not worry about traveling past their range.
The high speed chargers being talked about here do not use the cars onboard charger. They are high voltage DC and connected directly to the pack. There is a electronics cabinet at the super charger station that is converting utility AC to DC. You use the onboard charger only when you are connecting to a low power AC outlet or destination charger at say a hotel.
@@markswick4901 Well, at least you know.
The government didn't exactly tell Tesla to "be what we want."
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They just said, if you want government funding, the chargers need to be available to all cars. Soon after that, Tesla started making some chargers available to other car brands. They did that in order to get some of that government funding. And a year later, Ford made their announcement they would go to the NACS standard. Now, since so the majority of car brands will be able to access the network of chargers, the government is getting what they wanted: standardized charging for all electric cars.
no free health care for regular Americans yet the government wastes billion just so rich people can charge their expensive toys. Pathetic.
No free health care for regular Americans yet the government wastes 100s of billions on the military so some people can play with expensive toys. Pathetic.
This should have been done by Elon 5 years ago..
That would have mattered if others would have listened to a startup who's chief claim to faim was losing money.
Elon Musk has rights for charging adaptors Ford has partnered with them which is Ridiculous, Should be standardized like gasoline pump handles.
Every I.C.E Vehicle built has standardized receiver for gasoline pump handle.
Same for electric cars but Elon was first build E.V. infustructure for these vehicles.
Tesla will own US EV sales until the others have native NACS. Who wants to use an adapter or will that adapter support full charging performance?
I think the other OEMs weren’t really ready for large volume sales and needed a graceful way to save face until they could punt. So the announced native nacs in 2025. No one will buy ford or gm cars until them. They Osbourned themselves purposely.
A lot would depend on the ease of use of the adapter. Time will tell and the word on the grapevine will let everyone know.
Good vid
I would like to ask EU, will you put an investigation towards Tesla, like what you did to the Chinese cars? As now Tesla is receiving more subsidies from the U.S. gov.
This is concerning funding of public infrastructure in the U.S. when the infrastructure bill was written and signed into law NACS was still Tesla's proprietary charging standard. In November Tesla opened it up and the majority of U.S. EV manufacturers have adopted it and it is now the U.S. charging standard. It now makes sense that the funding appropriated to build public chargers should be spent building NACS chargers.
@@garywozniak7742 Good point. But Tesla will still benifit from this funding directly.
So, how about the ＄7,500? Any good reason the EU shouldn't consider it as "gov. subsidies"?
@@brian.z6592 the tax credit was not exclusively available for Tesla. As of January 1st most of the Tesla Models and those of other manufactures lose eligibility for the tax credit due changes made regarding the sourcing of the batteries.
@@brian.z6592 We're advancing the Climate Change agenda, which will help everybody, including Europeans.
@@markhathaway9456 That's also my point. Gov. should have policies that are good to the people and planet earth. But I personally feel sad that both America and EU are playing quite dirty in the EV competition. Tesla is receiving Chinese gov. tax deduction benefit and selling crazy in China, while our gov. is trying hard to keep those good Chinese EVs away from American consumers.
biden admin is an embarassment, the money for EV chargers has yet to build one charger.
Tesla makes better NACS charging stations. They will get a generous portion of the award and other countries will follow suit. Another business spin off.
Maybe now someone will create a way to plug in and unplug without having to get out of the car. Would be a huge safety win.
It's about time that the American government supports the EV success story at least as much as the laggards.
Most environmental friendly company ever
@@sparkysho-ze7nm And once there's enough renewable energy, America will be independent of OPEC for oil/gasoline. Conservatives seem to hate that, though I don't know why.
@@markhathaway9456 oil companies hate it
I would temper any expectations for the US giving Tesla grant money. We live in dishonest times and Elon has chosen to be politically charged.
I wouldn’t call it politically charged. I would call it trying to be fair. He is realized in dealing with the government that the Democratic run areas of the government are all pro union and anti-Tesla. Where is the general motors chargers? After all, Mary lead didn’t she? She didn’t even think about how to charge the cars on the road.
It is nice that legacy auto couldn't push its trashy proprietary stuff...but is getting kicked in the exhaust pipes by Tesla...again.
It wasn't proprietary, it was just a poorly design settled standard.
@@supercadet111...since they are basically a cartel - and not really independent as Tesla still is - you are right...and I am right.
I understand the reasoning for competition but Tesla chargers are the only reliable system
It’s not really the chargers or “system”. The other companies are just incompetent. If other companies built NAC chargers, they would also be out of order most of the time.
@@TheBooban Electrify america is part of the Volkswagen group . Not a technology company and no real expertise in this type of technology . We have seen legacy auto is having a tough time being technology companies . They have big problems with software issues
@@stevencole7331 that’s what I said, it’s the companies, not the system. Your original post implied tesla chargers were more reliable just because they were NACs
@@TheBooban I have to wonder if they are bad to discourage EV adoption. We need to do a deep dive into who owns the companies that own the companies.
@@danharold3087 Agree. And why Walmart and Target are not installing them in their parking lots. Chargers should be like that by now and there should be more competitors.
@ 0.12 WELL PRESIDENT BIDEN wasn’t too premature only having head up UAWS ASX
Tesla already has the best network without govt funding. It's more important politically, for the govt to seem to be contributing, when they aren't really a necessity in charging expansion. Now that there's 90 percent+ industry buy-in on NACS, Tesla holds all the cards. More money, won't necessarily lead to a faster implementation of the reliability that the Tesla network provides.
We need a lot more charging infrastructure. Tesla did a great job developing their charging network, but that government money will give Tesla more options. And it doesn't hurt the bottom line.
@@incognitotorpedo42why don’t you think the charging network expand all by itself due to more demand as more EVs are sold? They’ll start appearing at every parking lot like parking meters.
@@TheBooban STANDARDIZATION is a big win for everybody.
@@TheBooban Not in middle america. IT will help considerably when people who invest in EV charging can charge CCS and NACS cars. It may double the traffic.
@@danharold3087 "They" claim most charging is done at home. If you have to charge your car every day on the way or back to work, nobody wants an EV.
Therefore, the need for charging stations and that most people will charge mostly at home, is a contradiction of statements.
Ya but no more Tesla exclusivity. Now you have to wait for stupid ppl to finish charging. Sticking with plug in hybrid car
When Biden remembers Musk runs Tesla.. he’ll change his mind. Lol
First he will have to find out what day it is
Biden's days of ignoring Elon are coming to an end
@@rctezluh42069 he’s not ignoring him, he has his hand in the strikes in Sweden…all these mafia entities have reciprocal agreements….
Lol
😂😂😂
This video is somewhat misleading
NACS was not the standard when the infrastructure bill was written and voted into law. It was, prior to November 22nd, Tesla's proprietary standard. CCS was the defacto U.S. standard. It made no sense for the federal government to fund a proprietary charge standard. Now that Tesla has opened the standard and it has been adopted as the U.S. charging standard funding it makes sense.
Exactly! Thank you for being objective and not a ubiquitous Tesla fanboy like everyone else here. I think the government did their job well. We still got to a standard, just not the one we all thought it was going to be. Tesla’s presence and superiority made them the logical choice and I am confident the government is fine with this as long as it is open to all and not just Tesla. Everyone wins here
So, I guess the billions of $ the US Govt is giving to EVs is just "Support" not a "subsidy" at all. What a bunch of double dealing hypocrites.
And all the money paying for interstate highways? Is that not a subsidy to the auto/truck industry, which is outcompeting rail? There are certain things the government does which benefit everyone. Ports, roads, water projects, you name it.
How do you feel about the billions of US taxpayer money going to oil production. Not talking about the tax at the pump.
@@markhathaway9456 Not complaining about Govt subsidy to any industry. Just want to point out the utter hypocrisy of the Western Govt and Media accusing China of "giving subsidies". As if China is that rich.
@@markhathaway9456 A very good point. Add the money spent on the oil industry too.
@@hclau218
Total GDP: Second in the world, exceeding $17 trillion in 2023.
Massive manufacturing and export economy: Global powerhouse in various industries.
"Elon Musk and President Joe Biden do not get along very well." 🤣🤣 Yes, one of the most intelligent and one of the least intelligent!
So, what standard will they use in Australia? Because I won't be buying an EV until they have a standardised system.
Probably CCS2 since it’s three phase there.
Tesla is the market leader in the US for such chargers, yes. But they can not price gauge the charger tech as it is now considered as a general patent now (and they promised to give away the IPR for these chargers also?). So the net economical impact is much less to Tesla than what you would expect at the first glance. Tens of millions to hundreds of millions, not billions. It is not insignificant, but in a trillion(ish) dollar company scale this is only a pocket money.
For the consumer this will help bring EV charging to locations with lower population densities. For the guy buying the charger he can charger Tesla and non Tesla cars. More customers.
@@danharold3087 By the way: they should also require Tesla to stop price gouging ¢10+/kWh from non-Tesla cars in these Superchargers as a one condition for the government subsidies.
Seems someone found out Elon has Attorneys!!!
Tesla is the only charging network that works. Everything else sucks.
Owner experience: Gasoline car 4/10, Good EV: 6/10, Tesla: 9.5/10......the 0.5 is for high sticker and a nit perfect customer service!
I think you need to be looking to the legacy auto companies for bad EV service. Service in general.
Not getting special benefits from the gov or anything.... a dd that to all the free DA R PA tech and you should be wondering by now ??
Stellantis is not “Chrysler Jeep.”
@@howardj602 You can say anything you like.
I wonder though, wouldnt this case or create a monopoly for Tesla. If they just give all the billions to just Tesla without any like anti price-gouging standards what is their to stop Tesla from price-gouging. Like electrical charging/it can become no different then the gas companies where they just can and have been price gouging us already.
There are no monopoly worries. Anybody with the money can draw permits and build a EV charging station using NACS.
Volex plc Tesla supplier to the moon 🌚
I would like to see someone address the issue around Electrical Emissions from Charging stations. Saw a video recently where readings were apparantley, dangerously high. Is this true or not , and is it of concern?. And what about EVs themselves .. you are sitting directly on top of battery packs and feet almost touching. What about this Electrical Field? All I see is "inconclusive " as research about any dangers. Please address this!
I'd say the sky is falling. Chemtrails are gonna kill ya. 911 was an inside government job. DARPA is holding aliens from another star system in Roswell. "They" are out to get you. Nobody is safe.
Maybe you should start you campaign with substations and high voltage transmission lines.
There is no such thing as electrical emissions, that affect the human body or animals for that matter. You can have readings from an electro-magnetic field, but it doesn't affect you. You are living in the magnetic field of the earth your whole life.