China’s New Security Law and Hong Kong’s Future
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- July 14, 2020 - An expert panel organized by the Asia Society Policy Institute discuss China's new national security law for Hong Kong. Participants included Christine Loh, chief development strategist of Hong Kong University of Science and Technology; Andrew Sheng, distinguished fellow at the Asia Global Institute; and Natasha Khan, a reporter at The Wall Street Journal. The conversation was moderated by Asia Society Policy Institute Vice President for International Diplomacy and Security Daniel Russel. (59 min., 30 sec.)
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British empire, as a colonial power, waged an illegal war to steal Hong Kong from China. During its rule, Britain sucked all the resources from Hong Kong and they rendered people in Hong Kong powerless politically and they were essentially second class citizens in their homeland. Then, just before Britain returned Hong Kong to China, it suddenly cared about Hong Kong people's liberty and political right. It is insincere and ridiculous because what they really care about is the vast assets they still own in Hong Kong. They are still using Hong Kong people while those young Hong Kong rebels are not the idealistic youth but professionals who are paid by foreigners to mess up their own country. Shame on them! Those Hong Kong rebels seem to more want to be the second class citizens under British rule than in line with their Chinese roots. Yes, their national government is imperfect, even backward politically, but they should work hard with patience to improve their country within the system, never becoming the tools of foreign power. Do they think any government of any country in this world is perfect? Should any other country tolerate any group of their youth to mess up social order and threaten national security aided by foreign powers?
@John M : You are very naive to believe him. Where do the majority of the chinese in Malaysia comes from ? Fujian. Same with Singapore ? Mainly from Canton.... And now, in this meeting, how many are actually from HK, or even local from Canton ?? 3 of them have a Malaysian surname... The Southern chinese money left the city. What is this masterplan of "one belt one road" ???? I think the Singaporeans and the Malaysians are and should be worried.... Cos they want to do business, and at every opportunity states that they are "still chinese", but left and removed most of the chinese banks from the South to rebuild elsewhere. There is a lot of reasons why Bearings collapsed in Singapore.
John M , Communism is a detested dictatorship.
No one can justify it. Repression, secret police, concentration camps. Churches demolished, forced sterilisation and abortion. Organ transplant theft from incarcerated citizens.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the living God have mercy on me a sinner.
Bartolomeo M just Right 👍👍👍
To think that China will sit on their hands after all that has happened is extremely naive. China's red line has always been social stability.
As it SHOULD BE!
Agree
Let HK residents decide on their fate. Bias Westerners should not interfere period.
@Eric US is everywhere because it has been the hegemon since WW II. And US established an international order that had given the world many peace and prosperity. Even the prosperity of China in the last 40 years was mainly due to the engagement strategy US government played.
Obviously you dont know the character and evil history of the marxist, leninist, communist and MOST EVIL CCP and its tyrant Xi Jinping, the reincarnation of the butcher Mao.
Yes ..let the Hong Kongers have freedom and Democracy
Mr. Russel forgets to mention, when talking of the fear of loss liberties etc... the "Liberty" of brandishing USA and UK flags and openly calling these foreign nations to come and liberate those youngsters who acepted being seconed class UK citizens and now think that those "liberties " I have just mentioned are far more important than the abject housing conditions they inherited from old colonial days .
The Chinese people in the whole wide world supported the Chinese Government's wisdom in passing the necessary National Security Law. Witnessing what happened in Hong Kong this law is a must to stop foreign meddling and subverting aiming to divide and destabilizing not only Hong Kong, it's aiming to destabilize the whole country. The host is not qualified to host this program his opinion sounded biased and no different from that of those rogue politicians in Washington and the west. As far as Hong Kong is concerned China has every right under its sovereign border and is wise enough to impose this law. Why not he question the US politicians and WH personnels motives of entering Hong Kong to incite violence.
Wrong. I am Chinese and I do not support the national security law
Chinese people in whole world?,,,babe, no, please speak only for yourself, deep breath, HK is a WORLD CITY, we love it, our grandparents love it, use this affection this slink FOR Good. Do not discard good will, our shared history makes us human , makes us one. Courage, Think outside ALL the boxes.
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I want give my opinion but my English no good, it is nice to listen, but I am with Hongkong people, who love their nation china
Well hk has been around longer than communist china
@@annilanta4583 well china has been around longer than colonialist GB ...
@ Eric
Totally agree with you and good to see normal people here. Only the new law can help to stop terrorist attack like last year and stay away the foreign power trying to break down HK into pieces.
@Tony L headache, who what when where??? Sounds like the Balkans!! How about we decide to create a space where each HK person, even Han, is allowed to choose and enjoy their life, no bloody foreigners! Just who is NOW in HK!
Eric ,underworld and gangsterism, you talk about. Are you referring to the CCP ?
All the speakers seem to be CCP members.
Silver haired man claims to have no knowledge or interest in security, yet he talks about security and the lack of it.
The saboteurs were the mainland communists masquerading as policemen.
For a man who claims to have little knowledge of security, in his opening speech, he talks strongly about security.
The whole documentary is a mainland CCP exhibit.
Hong Kong national security law is not controversial. Most of the countries have it. US has the most national security law, last count about 26 of them. What a hypothetical and double standard nation.
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The host seems very much disappointed as the guests didn’t really buy his narrative. Hypocrisy exposed!!! 🤔
Chairman Deng XP and the Chinese government had been too kind for not set in place the national security law. The Chinese government trust too much the British government. Christine and Andrew has a good insights. The host unnecessarily worried about the national security law. Unless you are going to do unlawful and dealing with cheating case if not why should you worry.
Books that are critical of CCP is being removed from HK libraries...this is only the beginning of how the new National Security Law is impacting its people. Half of the books on Mr Andrew's library will be removed.
The host is the only one who is negative about the new security law- it seems the guests are very practical and don't buy into the anti-China US stance
Every countries need its own National Security Law. Previously the. British inHong Kong and Singapore have its fearful ISA (Internal Security Act).
Years back the hong kong people were doing much better the people in mainland China. So the Hong Kong people taught they were superior those in China and look down on those in China. Apparently this misconception exists. Hong Kongers were content to be thumped be the British and there was not single act of protest. Now that the truth has come about whereby the motherland should act the way it should. These guys just cannot accept the reality that the motherland should have the right to ensure the safety of the territory. Shame on them.
Well they were superior. They had more freedom
The young HKer need to know why they’re not happy, the UK cash in all the land to the top 1% before 97, having to work a life time to buy a small home, nobody happy if a nice place to live is so expensive.
Rich Richards they are rather pathetic puppets used by western countries who don’t give a shit these expendable puppets.
The CCP is great at blaming, lying, controlling. I've visited China 5 trimes. Superior, Hong Kong? My experiences in China, the most arrogant, rude and loudest people I ever came across. Pride cometh before the FALL. Personally, I am not oncerned about Hong Kong, Taiwant, Tibet, Falun Gong, Christians and the Uyghurs too much longer. XI AND HIS EVIL CCP WILL FALL...HARD.
Great discussions. Back in 1979, HK represented over 10% of the GDP of China and Deng Xiaoping was well-known for his pragmatism, China did not trade sovereign of HK over the need for development. Sovereign integrity was and is non-negotiable. The first person that the then HK Governor seen in Guangdong before enroute to Beijing was Xi ZhongXun, father of Xi JinPing.
The Chinese government did not trade HK sovereignty because HK is a world financial center, and UK was too soft. Chinese government has traded 海之参崴 to Russia in 1991 and 2001 when they could actually demand those land from Russia. Chinese government is also a rogue regime.
good discussion, Mr Cheng introduces a good dose of pragmatism and realism to counter the skewed questioning and prevents the discussion veering in the wrong direction
Can you tell which country does not have security law?
HK’s future is for the people of China together with HK to decide, not some third countries afterall it’s ‘one country, two systems’ . The western commentators seem to be only talking about the ‘two systems’, not the ‘one country’ bit. If there is no ‘one country’ there wouldn’t be ‘two systems’. The ‘two systems’ must be taken within the context of ‘one country’.
In any case, the HK national security law came about in a direct response to some 15 months of violet protests by unscrupulous elements.. it’s bizarre that the US gov’t should find it expedient to interfere with HK affairs, when there has never been any US ties with HK whatsoever.
Freedom and democracy are not free, they come with responsibility to abide the rules of law’. When the protesters don’t abide by the rules of law’ what ‘freedom and democracy’.
A deal was signed with the HK government, when it was still under the British.This was pre-1997.... So basically, the US signed with the UK government, at that time.... Did you think that Singapore and Malaysia would not screw up china as well ?? Do you also think that, for Singapore, if the "one country" exists, would it not benefit you, and do you think that you can get away with hoarding all of the Southern Chinese banks before ??? Really funny.
Applause 👏 👏 👏. Thanks Christine, Andrew and the Asia Wallstreet editor...
Peace in Hong Kong meant economic prosperity for all.
Hey Russell, did you get a very bad taste if you would browser through all the comments left here? Sorry for you, but no intention to insult.
Pretty much ridiculous for a bunch of biased “journalists” to discuss China’s sovereign right to rule. Why aren’t these people discussing about the millions Americans have murdered in its profiteering foreign wars? That’s probably a much bigger issue...
Russell shd asked himself the question how US can pass a legislation domestically on foreign sovereign country. Why you have patriot act in US? Why US want Julian Assange when he is an Australian never set foot on US.
US? Awful, embarrassing, and yet…we each must care for what the other does, and how they prosper, surely, just from the point of view of the environment, we are all connected. Why should I have more of anything, than you?
gosh this sure looks like a creepy cia spin job instead of ASIA SOCIETY conversation - fyi US has 19 nsl and this daniel russel guy couldnt live with china having one for hk - hes obviously not here to have an intelligent conversation about the art.23 nsl but to vilify the art.23 with his pretentious soft-spokenness, he has apparently made up his mind about the art.23 and his words are so loaded with insinuations, innuendos - "pro-democracy", "controversial", "chilling effects", "threatens", "early adoption of the nsl" etc etc ... and the creep refuses to acknowledge that art.23 is part of the ORIGINAL basic law and uk-china agreement which hk failed to adopt for 23 years ...
Andrew is a clear-headed rational Hong Konger.
I totally agree with Christine Loh! I was also against 23rd article in 2003 but now understand national security law is very important to HK. If China introduced these laws two years ago, HK people probably would have gone on the street to protest. But in the past year we observed how those violent rioters (with the encouragement of USA), destroying HK, taking our freedom and safety away, we understand that it is important to have these laws! You can go to my channel to see some of the horrible things rioters did and how we feel about them.
We Busy having Corona Virus here, no time for meddling in HK , sorry….maybe, love you guys, be well...
And also Trump, takes a lot of time… no time to worry about you, be well, catch up later...
The national security act is China's legal rights to do what is best for HK and its people. How well have the western democratic countries achieved and portrayed so far in this world ??
China's 1.4 millions people needs no 200 years to built the country and elevate the poverty.
Let China works its way to show the world with the National Security Act. Ask yourself , is"Democracy" the only way of life ?
The basic problem is the "One country Two systems" agreement as interpreted, principally by the USA and the UK, to them "One country means Hong Kong and China participates in the two systems." This is justified by a God who wears a crown made of dollar notes and whose magic wand is - the nation with the most destructively equiped armies. The people of Hong Kong are useful but really not the principal issue.
Natasha Khan, on 1st July this year, one individual was arrested & charged for not only holding a independence flag, but drove a motorbike deliberately into 3 HK police officers on purpose. And he has been charged & was the first person to be charged under the new NSL's.
Interesting discussion. Christine Loh's analysis was particularly insightful and illuminating. One unanswered question was about the reaction of Hong Kongers to Western policy actions. While offers of citizenship paths are certainly welcomed by some, and suspension of extradition treaties is understandable, sanctions to pressure Beijing are generally viewed as further meddling and interference. Overall, the national security law is broadly welcomed by the majority of Hong Kong people who were shocked by the violent takeover of peaceful protests by thuggish secessionists.
Just watch. I'll bet no more than a few thousand (if that) HKers take advantage of those citizenship offers.
Why is it interesting ? Cos she was part of the legislative council at that time, and in actual fact, you can say that, it had an incompetent team in its place. And therefore, the situation occurred to become what it is today. I did not know that this was asked to past. Imagine if this was passed before 1997. The soveignty issue, then would have enabled HK to be genuinely true true be "two system". Cos that was in place. Instead, it now, actually will be integrated into the Canton region and province at some point, as the financial sector is to be reduced... What a lot of people also did not know is that, a lot of the money left China... even before it connected to the WTO. "A History of Modern Shanghai Banking" is an interesting read... Cos the CCP was really not an official official entity, until the solidification and the formalisation became what it is today.
Shanghai lost its financial centre before in the past... and HK was really a provincial city. And then Shanghai never reached its peak again, while HK reached a higher peak. This is why now more SOE is common in mainland. Whereas HK was not.
After 1997... over in the border in the Canton region, the local provincial government had an entire legco team for exact replacement already. This was fought back... from HK , via the law courts... So, yes, it should have been activated way way way before. Art. 23 should have been activated, cos then that puppet government state would not occur.
All the Southern banks' money, went into SE Asia.. Into Singapore and into Malaysia... So why are these two Malaysian, now "suddenly" claim HK, as if it is their own homes ?? A lot of people lost the city and the area. The ones who sits in those legcos were indeed not local to HK. So these people screwed them up. Only Cantonese people are Li Ka Shing... who is a CCP member. People do not realise what is happening... There is a lot of CCP members in HK... undetected and unknown to others. Kind of like How Huawei now, have CCP members sitting at the management level.... All private companies have, I think.
Hong Kong Security Law stipulated Peace, Justice, Equality, Harmony and Prosperity. Prior to implementation of Security Law, Hong Kong experienced daily riots for nearly 8 months, USA (Republican and Democrat) orchestrated riots, building damages, killing people for no reason, riots attacking people at Air port, school stoppages, challenging legal enforcement officers. USA and Five Eyes Unions Pact caused civil war scenario. British, USA, Singapore and Malaysia enforce Security Law. Hong Kong is the financial hub of the world, its protected all investment from the world including Five Eyes Union Pact. It contributed nearly 35% of USA and British foreign revenue. Numerous western pastors were at scene to direct unrest. I quote " Prof Kishore Mahbubani veteran diplomat and Distinguished
Support people of Hong-Kong not the political parties
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Western Hypocrisy is awful.
What ? ... USA got more home security acts etc
Big thumbs up for all three speakers! Very subjective and wise words out of genuine kind concern for HK
The black rioters and activists of HK Independence usurped the 2019 movement totally and absolutely, because the majority of the HK people chose to offer them an open support or a tacit approval. Then, all of a sudden, the HK NSL befell on the entire population on the midnight of 6/30/2020. The law was tailor-made, harsh beyond our imagination. Since we have made the choice last year, we have to bear the consequence now. Every one has a part in it.
You go bear yours, not for us
Alex, everyone bares it now no matter you want or not. Face it now.
My own takeaway from this interview is that the old people of Hong Kong (like the two people interviewed) have had decades of freedom living in the old HK, their time has passed ....and it is the young people of HK who are currently protesting because they do not see a good future for HK under Chinese Communist Party rule.
Brain Drain? Unlikely, big Brian always go where opportunities are.
Good balance and honest discussion.
To Natasha: is the Primaries in the constitution of Hong Kong or it was conducted outside the HK constitution.
The moderator asks all sorts of leading questions, in a very slow motion way, which wastes time and degrades the quality of the conversation....nevertheless, Christine Loh and Sheng still made a few noteworthy points.
Ask America to cancel all their laws regarding national security First before saying anything to other countries.
What is most worrying is the subordination of Hong Kong's judiciary to the interpretation of the Basic Law by the NPC.
The PLA courts in China does not have a robust burden of proof on the prosecution.
How can the HKSAR government protect its residents being prosecuted in the Mainland?
Why didn't all these experts help pass the national security law 23 years ago.
Let us (HK people) take care ourselves. Mind u own business.
With the change of the CCP leadership, even if the security law was passed locally in HK before 2018, there is no guarantee that the a higher / stricter national security law would not be imposed on HK.
What's about the immigrants who pass their case from court what's their future in Hong Kong
Hongkong like a child adopted by a rich family now he is angry when returning to poor parents because of upset.
People of United States and of UK and Australia are facing the worst conditions and do not know their future ,
Please have your panelists silence their phones
It’s our home other parties got no right to say so..........
Sending love and encouragement, guest in your home.
Laws are always subjected to changes as needs arise. Even if this new security law would found not sufficient to control, then more stringent laws would be required. The problem with Hong Kong is that people expect to follow the previous colonial rules of law.
great work to embrace different points of view, acknowledge the differences between the west and the east. no good or bad of different political systems, just suitable for whom, like hot water for the Chinese peole, and cold water for the western people.
They said there Oach using a Chinese racial slurs and carrying a foreign flag, why didn't you not mention that. could you imagine if the same thing happen in the US and the N word or yankee was said carrying a Chinese or Russian flag.
Talking secession is different from advocating using violence
Just perfect for Hong Kong
Life is too interesting and valued to focusing on the damn politics
The politics can cut that life short, that is sad.
这叫“敬酒不吃吃罚酒”
why now the city is burning down lol
Actually, you at x1.75 and your guests at x1.5 speed!
You sound just fine at 1.5 x speed! Maybe x 1.75!
The Chinese learned the effectiveness of peaceful protests in Tiananmen Square. It's obviously preferable to be peaceful, but when the government has no qualms about mass murder, assassination, and torture, it is simply not a realistic ideal to uphold.
The Chinese learned a lesson from the unequal treaties, foreign concessions, unequal treaties and the warlord era. Never again will China be divided, or have its internal affairs dictated by foreign powers.
I'm still not sure what happened at Tiananmen, reports differ wildly.
What nonsense
In North Korea, when you visit, you will see over 100,000 North Koreans in and out of the MTR subway, even busier than any Friday in 2019 central in HK, all North Koreans in designer suits and brief cases acting like they are going to work, then at lunch time at a 5 star hotel when you dine, you will see many North Koreans there having lunch, full table of food and different bottles of expensive wine, then the tour guide will take you to a hospital, with best German very very expensive medical equipment, and one lady there in the first class room (which looks even better than your hotel room), (where she praises her beloved Kim Jong Un, for inventing this medical equipment and building it with his bare hands this morning, which cured her super rare cancer, in 24 seconds) and she will be speaking in fluent Cantonese with you, telling you she is about to run a marathon that afternoon, as she feels great now lol.
Obviously it’s all lies and all staged.
If North Korea is Coke,
The China is Coke light.
You guys better have a look at the comments below. Shame on you
At a minimum , anyone who reasonably concludes the CCP is in serious governance difficulties, certainly would not be exaggerating facts. Surely this conclusion would be a reasonable observation. Rest assure, more CCP difficulties are in the queue, and it certainly appears more CCP problems are mounting. Lately , It has become quite clear their problems aren't getting any easier, and likely to become quite worse. The CCP has not yet come to terms with the "new normal" , with regard to global trade relations, or China's human rights requirements. For China to continue greatly benefiting from World Trade , the CCP must find a way to capitulate, and embrace Natural Born human rights. Unfortunately, for the CCP , all indications currently show they are willing to take China with its party members , back to the Stone Age. The CCP seems paranoid , and it's more likely CCP leadership is in the process of making a last-ditch effort to maintain control of all Chinese people , especially their fellow Countryman. It's become most unfortunate for China , as the CCP continues to punish all others who believe in Truth and Freedom.
The way you write... are you a writer?
@@PC-oi8hk He is a CIA paid troll.
William you are not aware of Chelsea Manning, Julian Asaange issue and Anti BDS laws where you can't criticise Isreal. You are just westerner biased.. who went around colonised the land and killed of the native. Caught people and made them slaves and sold opium. China never did these datardly acts. Don't try to tell us you are morally superior.