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The GRE. The 7900 XT and 7900 GRE both have exceptional performance. When it's just a 10-30 fps difference, I wouldn't spend another couple hundred dollars. I would stick to that batter price/performance.
As an audio only listener here on youtube i really appreciate you reading aloud the data points and frame averages. Its really frustrating sometimes when tech channels do not audibly explain any of the data and instead soley show graphs.
Thank you for this comment! I really appreciate the feedback! This is exactly why I read the data. I’ve been in the car and listening to tech videos on many occasions. :)
Putting a hellhound 7900gre vs radeon 7900xt is just plain unfair. Everyone knows AMD gpus are trash, you need to go sapphire or powercolor to have a TRUE comparison. Apple to apple, ofc hellhound would be cooler did you see the things sinks side my side with radeons card? thats two of those.
The 7800 xt was the go-to for 1440p, but with this at just 50 dollars more, the 7900 GRE is the new 1440p go-to. The new OC update, which is allowing around 10-15 percent more performance increase on average, justifies buying it now. Can't beat those thermals either.
Putting a hellhound 7900gre vs radeon 7900xt is just plain unfair. Everyone knows AMD gpus are trash, you need to go sapphire or powercolor to have a TRUE comparison. Apple to apple, ofc hellhound would be cooler did you see the things sinks side my side with radeons card? thats two of those.
The 200$ extra for just around 20 fps was not worth it for me and I settled on getting the RX 7900 GRE. Glad to say im happy with my purchase and that all my games are running smoothly on stock settings. I'm planning to OC the vram since my card runs very cool and heard that it would be worth it, how would I go about it if i may ask?
Honestly, I have not had the opportunity to overclock the GRE specifically. So I would not know exactly. But I would imagine it would not be any different from overclocking other AMD GPUs. With that being said, take a look at this video and see if this helps you. ruclips.net/video/9TdweIU-hQw/видео.html&ab_channel=TimmyJoePCTech
Glad to see this video honestly. It's already a tough call between the 7800 XT and 7900 GRE but now it comes down to making the leap to the next step up for 1440p IMO. Especially with the GRE's recent memory OC for those who are comfortable with it. I guess it doesn't make it any easier to also consider the last gen Navi 21 spread as well. Either way, best of luck to anyone shopping and thanks for the vid!
I’m glad you appreciate it! Thank you for watching and continuing to support! Yeah AMD has people covered at every price point now. I think the GRE is the new sweet spot.
7900XT Temps can be compensated for utilizing undervolting, and Honeywell PTM7950 which helps reduce hotspot delta by around 20°c which helps a TON in dropping the overall temp. I run PTM7950 on my XFX SPeedster Merc 310 RX 7900XT and don't even have to push the fans past 50% anymore to maintain under 75°c on the hotspot whereas with the Noctua NH-2 and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut I had trouble keeping it ANYWHERE near a 20°c delta compared to core without cranking the fans to over 75%.
do you just put the honeywell pad on the GPU die? how hard is it to disassemble and reassemble the GPU? im just concerned i might put it back together in a way that makes it perform worse after doing so
@sacredeyes3508 the ONLY things you have to be careful of are screw placement and tension (finger tight) and thermal pads ripping when you disassemble. Ptm is a pad, but it phase changes into a liquid when heated. The performance of it thermally is on par with artic mx4. What makes it so good for THESE GPUs is that it won't pump out of the channels between the CCDs on the die like thermal paste does. Every gpu make / model has different pads, but you can contact your manufacturer to ask which pad sizes they used, or measure them yourself with calipers. A torn pad isn't the end of the world, but it isn't optimal and defeats the purpose. Too thin = no heat transfer. Too thick = bent PCB, potentially cracked GPU die, and / or poor transfer.
@@sacredeyes3508 Nope, they work absolutely great on anything that has split-die construction like these. Obviously something like carbon pads would be "better" in terms of reusability, but the added cost paired with the complexity of installation makes them not really worth it when you consider that carbon's thermal transfer capability is horizontal not vertical, so a carbon pad only does about as good as MX-5.
Agreed I'm very happy with my undervolted sapphire pulse 7900XT. Modern warfare ultra settings 1440p at ~220FPS with temps around 50-55°C and average 250W. Now I run it at 165Hz (my monitors refresh rate).
its a bit awkward, the 7900GRE is like the ultimate 1440p card, where as the 7900XT feels like overkill for 1440p, yet, the 7900GRE is JUST not good enough for 4k, atleast not in all games, or unless you start to talk about RT and FSR, yet, the 7900XT is like the 'worst' current gen 4k card, where it CAN do it in all games, if you are selective about graphic settings and RT and maybe in the occasional game FSR. i am still super happy about my 7900XT for 500 pounds from a year ago
Yeah, I was really looking to buy a 7900 XT, as a "want" Upgrade from the 6800. My Oled tops out at 120hz and I'd like to play my racing sims at 4k120 native. The GRE was not enough of an upgrade to matter, and the 7900 XT would likely struggle here and there. So If I'm splurging €800 for an Upgrade I don't really need all that much, I might as well go for the €930 Merc 310 and be done with it. All these cards are too expensive, but the GRE is probably the most reasonable ATM... If it wasn't a binned card that varies hugely in OC performance. SMH.
The 7900 XT is a good card for sure and 500 pounds is a great price. Yeah we have so many options now it’s great but it’s also confusing sometimes on what to pick.
I have no clue as to how you got a brand new 7900 XT for 500UKP a year ago??? It can only possibly have been a used item, right? 12 mths later, this card cannot be found new below 680 UKP. 500UKP might have bought you a new 7800 XT, but not a new 7900 XT in any way, shape, or form.
Disagree. I think it's a great 4k card. I'm not an FPS junkie so I'm satisfied if i'm getting a stable 60-80 FPS. And this card seems to be able to stay in this range running 4k.
I think that difference in temperature is not from the difference in the chip (XT vs GRE) but the difference in the cooler (reference vs. Hellhound). I base this on the fact that the power draw was usually only 5-10% lower in GRE.
Thank you. I don't own MW3 currently. I have a hard time using funds right now to buy that game only for a benchmark run here and there. I heard MW3 and MW2 were very similar and built off the same engine. So I figured the benchmark results would be similar as well. If someone has an extra key for MW3 or something that they want to share, I would definitely add MW3 to my benchmark suite.
Its pasted with ptm7950 pad. Powercolor is doing this since 7800XT due to paste pumpout on 7900XT/XTX overtime leading to high hotspot temps (all manufs have it, its cus of the chiplet gpu design this gen, just google it. Sapphire seems to be less affected then others (thicker paste probably, but the pad solves all of it so good on Powercolor) That being said I would buy Sapphire to get Hynix ram instead of Samsung if you plan to overclock GRE. (I tried Hellhound and now have Pulse). Hellhound does have more power limit to play with tho but using 330watt vs 260 for 3-5 fps more is not really interesting. Also on 250-300 watt the pumpout issue is not so prevalent. Its more when we are talking 400w+ XTX cards. Just get the cheapest GRE (Maybe not the 2 fan Asrock model)
At first i wanted to get the RTX 4070, then RX 7800XT, then RTX 4070 super, and now RX 7900 GRE. Im so glad i did my research and took my time to not do another big mistake. I am likely purchasing this card next month, and obviously going for the hellhound model due to its design and the temperature, which is amazing. Im combining with R7 5800X3D, i hope there wont be an issue especially for 1080p! 😂
@@paradovT it seems to be so lol! 😂 If I can ask, what model are you thinking of getting, I've heard people say that this specific card benefits a little more than the rest for going with a high end model so I myself ordered the Nitro+ just a few days ago
@@P-dub978The GRE is the better option for obvious reasons tho, better raw performance, more VRAM for future proofing! I'm glad I didn't go with Nvidia another time lol. What about you, did you get the card yet?
Hey Erock! Thanks for this comparison, and many thanks to Shadow Fox for lending the cards. Just a heads up: You were experiencing a CPU bottleneck at 1440p in Hogwarts Legacy. That's why the 1% Lows were the same. I know it's hard to believe given that you're running a 14900K, but I've seen this problem more times than I can count over the years, and I can easily recognize it when I see it. You can see the problem go away at 4K.
Sounds good. I appreciate the feedback! Yeah Hogwarts Legacy is a super CPU bound title. More Unreal Engine games seem to be that way lately. 2023 had a lot of games like that.
got the 7900 GRE powercolor fighter oc and it has been doing wonders for me. I haven't changed any GPU settings or anything just running as default and i cannot complain. This will probably be my GPU for the next 6+ years if not more depending on how the gaming industry goes for 1440p
Guys i playingfrom 2020 4k with 1080ti 40-60 fps... No problems no lags... Now i want change to 7900 gre or xt. When i read comments 7900gre just max 2k ...... Its 4k 60-120 fps....
I’d like to see you test the competitive games on low because that’s how people play mostly they even have a “competitive” preset. That and I would say use real gameplay instead of a benchmarking tool. Either way thanks for talking about the GRE.
You’re welcome and for other games without benchmarks, I do use gameplay. But benchmarks are a reliable way to ensure accuracy from run to run. You can’t ensure that with gameplay. As for competitive settings, I understand. I’ll consider that for future reviews.
People are weird about resolutions. I still don't think there are any 4k cards because the 4090 can't run 4k at 120 fps always. I run my 4090 at 1440p and it's great when people say "the 4090 is overkill for 1440p" because then I say back "you're right because I hate high frame rates too and lower frame rates are much better because why would I want 170 fps (the limit of my monitor) at 1440p all the time when I can have 100 fps at 4k all the time."
Yeah I say the beautiful thing about PC gaming is options. Some people are more latency sensitive than other people. And some people are fine with only 60 FPS. It is odd to me as well.
@@ErockOnTechit's odd now but I think many folks, myself included, remember the jump from 30 to 60 as the baseline in PC Gaming. I'm pretty young, and I've never been well off, so for a lotta time I was one of the people for whom 1080p 60fps was something to aspire to - Nowadays the bar has risen w/ the enthusiast market and new tech, but the average person's budget hasn't really followed suit.
There are plenty of guides on RUclips for over clocking AMD cards. AMD also has an auto over clock feature in their adrenaline software. Check out my 7900 XT video for more information.
The temperature differences (and price) made the 7900 GRE the clear winner for my next build. It will be small form factor so thermals must be accounted for. Great video, thanks.
Never had AMD cards, with the OC option available now I wonder if it worth the try... wanna sell my 3070 ti while it's worth something... playing 1440p and mostly COD, is the GRE the best budget friendly card for 1440p gaming in your opinion ? Should I stick to Nvidia ? Considering the 4070 super is at least 50$ more expensive than the GRE here in Canada. I run a 13600KF by the way.
@@torradasuprema395 some lag, even if I was getting higher FPS, it looked unstable to me, didn't like the settings interface and the card was so loud, very bad coil whine also, had the MSRP version directly from AMD and don't forget it drains between 300 and 450 watts, it's crazy high... just overall experience, I really do prefer the green team 🤷🏻♂️. Some people can like AMD and I don't judge them, I just don't from the experience I had, it was my first and possibly my last AMD GPU.
@@Frank_P83 something is definetely wrong there, it should barely be able consume 350w let alone 450w, and having lag issues is definetely something you shouldnt have, probably you didnt use the most recent drivers because the rx 7900 xt and rx 7900 xtx had lag issues when they came out.
Thanks for this, helped me decided. Becaue im now going with the gre i can also afford the 7800x3d, which is a big upgrade on the 7600 i was going to get
Hey did you decide? personally id go the 7600 with a high end GPU (4080 super) is still better. Unless the only games you play are CPU intensive like esports. However, with this setup you'll still get 175 + fps and sometimes to 300 anyway. So IMO its overkill either way. You might as well get the better gpu which will last you at 3-5 years. the cpu is cheap and am5 so it can be replaced in 2 years to the best x3d chip then with no changes in Mobo.
@@phillybb hey, if that's the case go with the 7800x3d. It will benefit you more for higher frames for esports/multiplayer, less 1% lows and higher ones, and higher frames overall. if you need a GPU on a budget to accomodate that CPU then save 200 bucks on the 7900GRE. If you can afford more then go 7900xt. Either combo will destroy anything at 1080p and 1440p multiplayer for the next 4 years minimum.
I just finished buying my parts yesterday evening and went with the 7900 GRE (on sale for $530 from Newegg right now). I was going to buy the Gigabyte Windforce 7800 XT, but for $30 more, I was able to get the GRE (PowerColor Fighter). The 7800 XT was the go-to for 1440p, but this takes that up one more step and is a great card. I think I made the right choice with this one!
I'm just wondering if this is a Hellhound GRE vs "reference" sapphire XT. If so, there IS some performance left on the table because the base sapphire models run hotter with less stable clock speeds. Just some food for thought. We might be talking 1-5% performance difference, but I'm pretty sure a Hellhound model XT would be within a few °C difference, if it runs hotter at all.
Curious on the HH's heat and sound, live in a hot country and it seems this version tends to be way cooler and quieter than the power colour version.. even then it's a good toss up between the 7800xt HH and the GRE, not sure 5-15 frames is worth an extra $150AUD.
"you are never going to use all that VRAM", famous last words. On a more serious note, I agree. Thanks for the detailed review. The temperature difference is surprising and I think the GRE is one of the most interesting cards this year.
*7900 XT Manual OC Results* 1060mv - 2900 core - 2700 memory - +15 PL. (Power color hell hound, fans at 1400rpm locked, 83c hotspot max case closed) Cyberpunk 1440 ultra no upscaling - 128fps (120 in video) Cyberpunk 4k ultra no upscaling - 58fps (54 in video) Valhalla ultra 4k - 99fps (91 in video) Valhalla ultra 1440p - 158fps (151 in video) I'll try valhalla next. I have a feeling it's going to have a pretty high improvement.
Obviously has none. Just making shit up cause he bought the 7900gre and thinks it's tye greatest. What's next... will he oberclock it and it will be better than the 4090
@@jbroadbelt6 Chill out dude, I'm just realizing that maybe the person who replied to me initially wanted FPS numbers instead of my undervolt numbers. I just assumed the latter. Either way, while you were stroking out as you typed you kinda showed your ingnorance. First, the 7900XT doesn't touch a 4090, I know that so no I would never say the GRE is anywhere close. AMD's X900XT cards are usually at the RTX X080 cards. AMD has no 4090 competitor, we all know it. Second, I compared my numbers to what I saw in the video, there are variables I did not account for like what difficulty was the reviewer playing at, what biome, how much action was taking place, how big are the mobs. Helldivers doesn't have a benchmark so I can't do total apples to apples comparison. My performance may be worse if variables were changed, but on its face when I played a couple missions to see how it felt my numbers were better than the video. I don't know those numbers now it's been weeks since I played Helldivers. I know what the GRE is, it's ABOUT a 4070 or 4070ti equivalent with more VRAM. At the end of the day I like the card, it performs well, I don't have a top tier build, I have what I could afford.
I have that Hellhound GRE, and by just reducing core voltage by 60-80mV, it will get an 7% performance boost and use 265-270W total board power at the same time, as opposed to 280-290W. Seems to work for most. The cooler on the Hellhound is amazing, but the Sapphire models have the SK hynix memory modules, and they seem to overclock better. Almost all models you can get the VRAM up to 19Gb/s, adding some more performance on top of the core clock headroom. 8% relative performance increase puts it in the Raster area of some VERY expensive GPUs.
Not gonna lie kinda want the gre as the case i will be building in wont have much space for loads of cooling if a gre is gonna run cooler and play what i want than thats a big plus for me. My problem is i cant find many GRE cards in Australia. This is sad to see that us in Australia are seriously lacking when it comes to pc parts
For someone whos aiming to play 1440p and wants the best experience do you think its worth getting the 7900 xt because it preforms better with helldivers 2 and itll be futureproof for a while?
As a recent 7900gre buyer, I have found the memory OC on my card to be less than reviewers.i have had green crashes over 2450mhz even without undervolting. Passes cyberpunk and stuff at 2550 but randomly crashes idle
@@ErockOnTech The gigabyte gaming OC, I will say the card stays cool and relatively quiet so I'm happy on that respect. I am still trying to dial in my overclocks. It seems to crash on voltage reductions but we will see. 2 hours of hell divers 2 last night was stable at 2450mhz on vram, stock 1050 voltage and core set to 2800 but realistically boosting in the 2500 range. Power target +15%
Hello. What do you think - is going from 535 euros to 640 euros worth it to go from Pulse to NItro+ 7900 GRE? The 7900 xt is 750 euros for the base model, so I'm not sure it's worth the difference and 7900 xtx is around 1000. Yea, my country sucks for computer parts.
Wait so what card was used for the 7900XT because you showed both the reference card and PowerColour card, these are important distinctions that must be made
In my country the 7800xt and the 7900gre are the same price. And I even got 50 back from purchasing the gre. In my country gpus are about 200 more than msrp. And for 660 i got the asus tuf OC. The cheapest 4070 super i could get was 700 and was a very hot dual fan card that felt terrible. I dont go above 50 degrees with the gre which is insane to me as my last gpu went over 80degrees very very often and sometimes up to 90 degrees.
thank you an informative opnion on these two cards I am in the market for a new card to run tripple 1440 monitors (Sim Racing) any advice on if the 7900GRE will handle this setup
Glad I could help! Yes I think it can. But I have no experience with sim racing or sim flights. Maybe the XT would be better for the extra VRAM in your case.
Im a avid 1440p gamer and I am looking for a whole setup upgrade computer wise, I was thinking 7900gre with 7800x3d? I would really appreciate the help. Or for my second option a 4080 super with my current 3950x? (Also really nice video)
Totally viable data, Bro. I was torn between a white 7800XT with RGB for $499 and a "flat" looking Asrock Challenger 7900GRE for $529. I went with the GRE, screw the RGB. 😀
I got the Sapphire Pulse RX 7900 XT 20GB + 7800X3D 6 month ago and is very good combo 20 FPS is alot FPS diference it time will see what im talking about 👍
Did you benchmark the GRE with the memory clocks enabled? The GRE is almost 300 EUR cheaper than the 7900 XT but with the memory overclocking it's going to be within 5-10% (as the GRE responds very well to OC from the reports).
@@ErockOnTech thought so - it takes a lot of time doing benchmarks like that and they only just dropped it. My GRE should be arriving on Wednesday, hopefully it'll tide me over until the 5090 drops :)
I went for 7900 XT, difference was only 80 euros in my country, primary reason being: sure GRE has the potential to reach XT performance, but that doesn't happen with every GRE card you buy...as i was reading if planning to overclock you MAYBE get XT level of base performance and only 80ish euro difference between Nitro + 7900 XT which was on sale and best GRE model ( also Nitro + ) you cant top that
Side by side, I couldn't go for the GRE over the XT, just because the prices are so close. GRE is also in a weird spot from 7800XT, if you're in a budget situation... kind of makes me wonder, although the GRE is a fantastic card, who is it for?
Yeah I was leaning towards the 7800 XT or the XTX over all. But then the GRE got that OC bump. It really made a difference. Plus the temperatures, at least on the Hellhound, are incredible! But that's what's so great about PC gaming and PC building. Plenty of options! :)
@@mastroitek Local production I'd imagine. GRE is imported from China as I understand it. Could also be they just overproduced the GRE? Really odd though.
Middle of the road I guess, slightly pricier than a 7800 XT, but not as pricey as any of the 7900s, and more VRAM than anything Nvidia are providing. I think it's a decent compromise, especially if you're leaning more towards 1440p gaming at decently high refresh rates and you're looking to dip your toes into the Red team's pool (or at least, that was my justification for getting it). This was the card that made me switch to AMD, as I was tired of searching for 2nd hand 3080 Ti and 3090s for minimum £500... I started asking myself "Why not just get a new card from Green's line up for that kind of money?", but then I checked, and I couldn't justify spending a small fortune on 12/16GB (max) VRAM GPU, even with NVidia's shiny bells and whistles. Even some of the cheaper options, like RTX 4060, are just not up to scratch (for obvious reasons, lol). Nvidia's new "Ti Super Duper Ultra mega" 4070s look compelling, but they're still too expensive. The 4080 and 90 are not even on the table for discussion... I just hope AMD can continue to improve FSR, like they've demonstrated in tests recently. This, plus the mem OC will make this card a real favourite I imagine. I just wish that board partners would include an anti sag bracket with the damn thing, it's heavy af as I'm sure @EsrockOnTech will probably agree, it's crazy that PowerColor don't give you one! 😂
They are both actually worth, but depends what is your budget and how you gonna use them. The RX 7900 XT can be overclocked to the almost same performance as the stock 7900 XTX, while 7900 GRE has 4gb VRAM less and can be overclocked at the level of the stock 7900 XT... Imo they are both excellent price/performance ratio.
Temperature is great on both cards and power draw difference is around 25w - this is negligible. I would pick GRE for 1440p and 7900XT for 4K or widescreen monitor.
for me the 7900xt is currently the same price as a 7900 gre. If your in the UK the XFX 7900 xt is going for £608, you can get a 7900 gre but the only 2 options we have are both dual cards and are only £40 cheaper
On the basis of visible alignment of fans ,I think that there is more exhaust then air intake leading to high temperatures.The storage space is also low for modern games.
Hello guys i am thinking of building a gaming pc and i was between the rx7900gre+ryzen 7 7800x3d and the rx7900xt+ ryzen 5 7600x cause its the same amount of money in my country.The thing is that i am currently using a 1080p 240hz monitor but in the future i was thinking of upgrading to a 1440p one .Which combo should i go for and why? Ps:pc is for gaming only and i play both competitive esports titles and triple a ones.Will i have bottleneck with the second combo and is that a problem?
I'm glad I saw this video because I wanted the Sapphire nitro of the gre and noticed it was $100 less of a 7900XT so I wondered if I should jump or not?🤔
I mean looking at this video and if playing only at 1440p and not 4k, I'd save the £100 and pick up the 7900GRE and overclock the memory on it for a 10-15% boost.
It felt like fantasy switching from a 1650 super to the rx 7900 gre I went with sapphire pulse. 7900 gre is crazy 🤪 really love the card If i lasted 4 years with a 1650 super, ill last 8 years top with this gpu Im thinking in the next 4-6 years lol Its pricey upfront but longterm would do it good Im comfortable rn with it paired with 5800x3d
Hello, Thanks for this!! I am looking forward to build new pc, so I would be glad if you could help me a bit. I want pc that will last at least 5years without mayor upgrades. I want it to be easily upgradable so I will go with AM5 socket chip Ryzen 7 7700x or 7 7800x3d.. And now to my biggest question: do you think that 7900 gre is future proof enough. Or should I go for 7900XT or expensive 4070 super (with this card i am scared of only 12gb ram) (In my country the price increase from gre to xt is around 25% and from gre to super under 7%. (One more question how big diference does the manufacturer make. You have 7900 gre from power color but in my region I have only gigabyte or sapphire avalible) Thanks for helping out!! And sorry for soo many questions, I am new to pc building.
There isn't any significant difference. Even cheap versions like the Powercolor Fighter keep cool enough for heavy daily use and the power limits in the BIOS do not allow overclocking to the degree that these cheaper coolers would start to fall short.
Agradecido, estaba ahorrando para la 7800xt luego vi reviews de la 7900gre pero no era muy diferente de la 7800xt, ahora veo que con la actualización mejoro la gráfica así que si tendré que juntar algo mas de dinero pero voy por la 7900gre!! 😊👌
Hello Erock, quick question. Do you think the low Temps. is specific to the PowerColor Hellhound? wondering if there would be similar Temps. on Asrock, Saphire, Red devil, Fighter and Gigabyte 7900 GRE cards? would be nice to know before me and my son build a PC..thanks
in UK the hellhound 7800 xt is ₤508 vs hellhound 7900 gre which is ₤565 and the red devil is ₤535 ish and that's better than hellhound.. wish it was 200 less 😭 still saving up!
@@Qwhx123a fantastic for raw rasterization. Though I may return it for a 7900xt since right now it’s just $100 more. With ray tracing disabled but all the other things like ssr enabled and on high settings Cyberpunk runs at 50fps 1440p native no frame generation. Basically if you minus ray tracing out of the equation it’s a great card. Oh, and undervolt it for extra performance because… reasons lol the GRE starts at 1050mhz but mine runs faster at 980mhz
it depends on availability. In my country gre is 610 usd and xt is 745. thermals aren't an issue for xt. the non oc performance scales well with price for the xt
I'm comparing these cards for 2 reasons; price, and case. I have a case that I like, but as an mATX case it doesn't support any of the 7900xt cards outside of the Sapphire Pulse. 7900gre opens up a couple more GPU options. The alternative is to just buy a new case, which I can, I just don't want to have a bunch of cases laying around. None of my build lists have a difference of more than $110. I'm on the fence.
Get the GPU you want in my opinion and just get a new case. It’s been my experience that people buy PC cases very fast on the Facebook marketplace if you list it low enough
Have to wonder what it will look like come the end of year sales, since end of 2023 its not hard to find 7900xt for $700 or even lower with some patience(690$ not much but its still lower).
Here’s my thing, if you want a 1440p experience at max graphics with 180 fps then that’s about all a higher end cards are worth it for, I have the 7900 gre with a R9 7900x and get about 120 fps on brand new games and ludicrous fps on less demanding games. The other things is that the cost of an oled 1440 p or 4k monitor costs as much as if not more than the nvidia cards so the best bang for your buck is gonna be an oled monitor with one of these rather than a 4k monitor on 4k with a 4090 only playing maybe 90 fps max
Definitely. Unless your job is 3D modeling or animation, in that case; the 4070 Ti Super would be worth it. But if you're just a gamer with some video editing or something, then go with the 4070 Super. (4070 Ti is never worth it anymore)
Maybe in 3 or 2 more year you'll see if the difference is worth it. Each year games will need bigger vram which the 7900xt has so paying $70 could be an investment.
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Which GPU are you picking? The 7900 XT or the 7900 GRE?
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The GRE. The 7900 XT and 7900 GRE both have exceptional performance. When it's just a 10-30 fps difference, I wouldn't spend another couple hundred dollars. I would stick to that batter price/performance.
As an audio only listener here on youtube i really appreciate you reading aloud the data points and frame averages. Its really frustrating sometimes when tech channels do not audibly explain any of the data and instead soley show graphs.
Thank you for this comment! I really appreciate the feedback! This is exactly why I read the data. I’ve been in the car and listening to tech videos on many occasions. :)
Yeah but all the watchers are like, "We have eyes. Stop insulting our intelligence."
Putting a hellhound 7900gre vs radeon 7900xt is just plain unfair. Everyone knows AMD gpus are trash, you need to go sapphire or powercolor to have a TRUE comparison. Apple to apple, ofc hellhound would be cooler did you see the things sinks side my side with radeons card? thats two of those.
@@ErockOnTech i listned whole having a awake nap idk if that makes sense lol
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The 7800 xt was the go-to for 1440p, but with this at just 50 dollars more, the 7900 GRE is the new 1440p go-to. The new OC update, which is allowing around 10-15 percent more performance increase on average, justifies buying it now. Can't beat those thermals either.
I agree 100%!
With $50 more u get 7900xt
@@happybuggy1582Depends on the market.
@@happybuggy1582impossible, 7900 gre 550 and cheapest 7900xt was maybe 650 currently at 699
@@happybuggy1582 Usually any 7900xt currently going under 699 is a scam (Sapphires Amazon page gets hijacked alot for some reason).
This a good video that puts all info side by side in one video. It really helps people trying to make a decision on which of the two cards to buy.
LOL thank you.
yea im buildingg a pc right now and im glad i saw this! GRE is totally worth 200 bucks less
Putting a hellhound 7900gre vs radeon 7900xt is just plain unfair. Everyone knows AMD gpus are trash, you need to go sapphire or powercolor to have a TRUE comparison. Apple to apple, ofc hellhound would be cooler did you see the things sinks side my side with radeons card? thats two of those.
You're making me glad I subscribed with every video I watch.
Thanks man! this help me a lot
I’m happy to hear that! Thanks for letting me know!
The 200$ extra for just around 20 fps was not worth it for me and I settled on getting the RX 7900 GRE. Glad to say im happy with my purchase and that all my games are running smoothly on stock settings. I'm planning to OC the vram since my card runs very cool and heard that it would be worth it, how would I go about it if i may ask?
Honestly, I have not had the opportunity to overclock the GRE specifically. So I would not know exactly. But I would imagine it would not be any different from overclocking other AMD GPUs. With that being said, take a look at this video and see if this helps you. ruclips.net/video/9TdweIU-hQw/видео.html&ab_channel=TimmyJoePCTech
Facts I don’t care the xt is @170fps and the gre is @150fps lol
Dont forget the 7900 xt can also be OCd
@@EliPorterMahn Yeah, but I thought gamers only want 60FPS? So, anything beyond that number is basically pointless.
@@VitchAndVortyik u commented weeks ago but 120fps is usually the goal now
Glad to see this video honestly. It's already a tough call between the 7800 XT and 7900 GRE but now it comes down to making the leap to the next step up for 1440p IMO. Especially with the GRE's recent memory OC for those who are comfortable with it. I guess it doesn't make it any easier to also consider the last gen Navi 21 spread as well. Either way, best of luck to anyone shopping and thanks for the vid!
I’m glad you appreciate it! Thank you for watching and continuing to support! Yeah AMD has people covered at every price point now. I think the GRE is the new sweet spot.
Thanks for the review!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
7900XT Temps can be compensated for utilizing undervolting, and Honeywell PTM7950 which helps reduce hotspot delta by around 20°c which helps a TON in dropping the overall temp.
I run PTM7950 on my XFX SPeedster Merc 310 RX 7900XT and don't even have to push the fans past 50% anymore to maintain under 75°c on the hotspot whereas with the Noctua NH-2 and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut I had trouble keeping it ANYWHERE near a 20°c delta compared to core without cranking the fans to over 75%.
do you just put the honeywell pad on the GPU die? how hard is it to disassemble and reassemble the GPU? im just concerned i might put it back together in a way that makes it perform worse after doing so
@sacredeyes3508 the ONLY things you have to be careful of are screw placement and tension (finger tight) and thermal pads ripping when you disassemble.
Ptm is a pad, but it phase changes into a liquid when heated. The performance of it thermally is on par with artic mx4. What makes it so good for THESE GPUs is that it won't pump out of the channels between the CCDs on the die like thermal paste does.
Every gpu make / model has different pads, but you can contact your manufacturer to ask which pad sizes they used, or measure them yourself with calipers.
A torn pad isn't the end of the world, but it isn't optimal and defeats the purpose.
Too thin = no heat transfer. Too thick = bent PCB, potentially cracked GPU die, and / or poor transfer.
@@Dracconus ill look more into it as an option. i thought the honeywell pads were only being used for CPUs
@@sacredeyes3508 Nope, they work absolutely great on anything that has split-die construction like these. Obviously something like carbon pads would be "better" in terms of reusability, but the added cost paired with the complexity of installation makes them not really worth it when you consider that carbon's thermal transfer capability is horizontal not vertical, so a carbon pad only does about as good as MX-5.
Agreed I'm very happy with my undervolted sapphire pulse 7900XT. Modern warfare ultra settings 1440p at ~220FPS with temps around 50-55°C and average 250W. Now I run it at 165Hz (my monitors refresh rate).
its a bit awkward, the 7900GRE is like the ultimate 1440p card, where as the 7900XT feels like overkill for 1440p, yet, the 7900GRE is JUST not good enough for 4k, atleast not in all games, or unless you start to talk about RT and FSR, yet, the 7900XT is like the 'worst' current gen 4k card, where it CAN do it in all games, if you are selective about graphic settings and RT and maybe in the occasional game FSR.
i am still super happy about my 7900XT for 500 pounds from a year ago
Yeah, I was really looking to buy a 7900 XT, as a "want" Upgrade from the 6800. My Oled tops out at 120hz and I'd like to play my racing sims at 4k120 native. The GRE was not enough of an upgrade to matter, and the 7900 XT would likely struggle here and there. So If I'm splurging €800 for an Upgrade I don't really need all that much, I might as well go for the €930 Merc 310 and be done with it. All these cards are too expensive, but the GRE is probably the most reasonable ATM... If it wasn't a binned card that varies hugely in OC performance. SMH.
The 7900 XT is a good card for sure and 500 pounds is a great price. Yeah we have so many options now it’s great but it’s also confusing sometimes on what to pick.
I have no clue as to how you got a brand new 7900 XT for 500UKP a year ago??? It can only possibly have been a used item, right? 12 mths later, this card cannot be found new below 680 UKP. 500UKP might have bought you a new 7800 XT, but not a new 7900 XT in any way, shape, or form.
@@Roll_the_Bones new! pretty sure it was a pricing error, but the shop honored it!
Disagree. I think it's a great 4k card. I'm not an FPS junkie so I'm satisfied if i'm getting a stable 60-80 FPS. And this card seems to be able to stay in this range running 4k.
Great comparison! I loved the line, "...give me a break." Right lol
Thank you! LOL so true. I know someone will complain. They always do haha.
I think that difference in temperature is not from the difference in the chip (XT vs GRE) but the difference in the cooler (reference vs. Hellhound). I base this on the fact that the power draw was usually only 5-10% lower in GRE.
Thank you very much, I really want this video 😊
Well done on the vid, keep it up. Next time id love to see a MW3 benchmark (it has a built in one), MW2 is a bit outdated and less optimized.
Thank you. I don't own MW3 currently. I have a hard time using funds right now to buy that game only for a benchmark run here and there. I heard MW3 and MW2 were very similar and built off the same engine. So I figured the benchmark results would be similar as well. If someone has an extra key for MW3 or something that they want to share, I would definitely add MW3 to my benchmark suite.
why is GRE running so cold? 50c even at 4k high settings on most games, what is this magic?
It’s not all GREs. It’s this specific GRE. The PowerColor Hellhound.
@@ErockOnTech i see, but still im curious about what they did to achieve this
@@NostalgicMem0riesNo idea. I’m as surprised as you.
Its pasted with ptm7950 pad. Powercolor is doing this since 7800XT due to paste pumpout on 7900XT/XTX overtime leading to high hotspot temps (all manufs have it, its cus of the chiplet gpu design this gen, just google it. Sapphire seems to be less affected then others (thicker paste probably, but the pad solves all of it so good on Powercolor)
That being said I would buy Sapphire to get Hynix ram instead of Samsung if you plan to overclock GRE. (I tried Hellhound and now have Pulse). Hellhound does have more power limit to play with tho but using 330watt vs 260 for 3-5 fps more is not really interesting.
Also on 250-300 watt the pumpout issue is not so prevalent. Its more when we are talking 400w+ XTX cards. Just get the cheapest GRE (Maybe not the 2 fan Asrock model)
hellhound magic
At first i wanted to get the RTX 4070, then RX 7800XT, then RTX 4070 super, and now RX 7900 GRE. Im so glad i did my research and took my time to not do another big mistake. I am likely purchasing this card next month, and obviously going for the hellhound model due to its design and the temperature, which is amazing.
Im combining with R7 5800X3D, i hope there wont be an issue especially for 1080p! 😂
you wanna look into getting a high refresh rate monitor if you're going to be playing on 1080p. you're going to have so many frames lmao
That’s funny I’m going thur the same. A few minutes ago I wanted a 4070 super now I’m going with 7900 gre 😂
I’m convinced this is a cannon event because this is legit me 😂😂
@@paradovT it seems to be so lol! 😂
If I can ask, what model are you thinking of getting, I've heard people say that this specific card benefits a little more than the rest for going with a high end model so I myself ordered the Nitro+ just a few days ago
@@P-dub978The GRE is the better option for obvious reasons tho, better raw performance, more VRAM for future proofing! I'm glad I didn't go with Nvidia another time lol.
What about you, did you get the card yet?
Helped me decide. Thanks and great vid
Hey Erock! Thanks for this comparison, and many thanks to Shadow Fox for lending the cards. Just a heads up: You were experiencing a CPU bottleneck at 1440p in Hogwarts Legacy. That's why the 1% Lows were the same. I know it's hard to believe given that you're running a 14900K, but I've seen this problem more times than I can count over the years, and I can easily recognize it when I see it. You can see the problem go away at 4K.
Sounds good. I appreciate the feedback! Yeah Hogwarts Legacy is a super CPU bound title. More Unreal Engine games seem to be that way lately. 2023 had a lot of games like that.
I certainly appreciate the data man ❤
got the 7900 GRE powercolor fighter oc and it has been doing wonders for me. I haven't changed any GPU settings or anything just running as default and i cannot complain. This will probably be my GPU for the next 6+ years if not more depending on how the gaming industry goes for 1440p
Guys i playingfrom 2020 4k with 1080ti 40-60 fps... No problems no lags... Now i want change to 7900 gre or xt. When i read comments 7900gre just max 2k ...... Its 4k 60-120 fps....
im using 4k with GRE my experience not bad at all
I’d like to see you test the competitive games on low because that’s how people play mostly they even have a “competitive” preset. That and I would say use real gameplay instead of a benchmarking tool. Either way thanks for talking about the GRE.
You’re welcome and for other games without benchmarks, I do use gameplay. But benchmarks are a reliable way to ensure accuracy from run to run. You can’t ensure that with gameplay. As for competitive settings, I understand. I’ll consider that for future reviews.
Isn’t is odd to put a lower tier cooler aib for 7900xt vs GRE that is hellhound? Wouldn’t that have some thermal impact as well?
People are weird about resolutions. I still don't think there are any 4k cards because the 4090 can't run 4k at 120 fps always. I run my 4090 at 1440p and it's great when people say "the 4090 is overkill for 1440p" because then I say back "you're right because I hate high frame rates too and lower frame rates are much better because why would I want 170 fps (the limit of my monitor) at 1440p all the time when I can have 100 fps at 4k all the time."
Yeah I say the beautiful thing about PC gaming is options. Some people are more latency sensitive than other people. And some people are fine with only 60 FPS. It is odd to me as well.
@@ErockOnTechit's odd now but I think many folks, myself included, remember the jump from 30 to 60 as the baseline in PC Gaming. I'm pretty young, and I've never been well off, so for a lotta time I was one of the people for whom 1080p 60fps was something to aspire to - Nowadays the bar has risen w/ the enthusiast market and new tech, but the average person's budget hasn't really followed suit.
Any card that can run games at 4k 60fps high is a 4k card.
Why spend $2k on a card for 1440p.
@@MrREAPERsz 4k 60 fps path tracing with no upscaling? Or 4k 60fps half life 2 on low settings? That's orders of magnitude difference.
Thank you for this information. Appreciate you 👍👍
how simple is overclocking the GRE? mind u ive never tinkered with any type of OC'ing in my life
There are plenty of guides on RUclips for over clocking AMD cards. AMD also has an auto over clock feature in their adrenaline software. Check out my 7900 XT video for more information.
@@ErockOnTech so its quite simple?
@@io-rj6skIt’s fairly easy yes.
Thank you! Video will likely save me $200 as I more concerned with TEMP in my PC.
The temperature differences (and price) made the 7900 GRE the clear winner for my next build. It will be small form factor so thermals must be accounted for. Great video, thanks.
Great video
Never had AMD cards, with the OC option available now I wonder if it worth the try... wanna sell my 3070 ti while it's worth something... playing 1440p and mostly COD, is the GRE the best budget friendly card for 1440p gaming in your opinion ? Should I stick to Nvidia ? Considering the 4070 super is at least 50$ more expensive than the GRE here in Canada. I run a 13600KF by the way.
Rx 7900 gre is definetely the best option, it runs much better in COD
@@torradasuprema395 yeah well I just tried a 7900xt and I sold it the next day, can't stand AMD, I prefer Nvidia by far unfortunately
@@Frank_P83 what was the problem?
@@torradasuprema395 some lag, even if I was getting higher FPS, it looked unstable to me, didn't like the settings interface and the card was so loud, very bad coil whine also, had the MSRP version directly from AMD and don't forget it drains between 300 and 450 watts, it's crazy high... just overall experience, I really do prefer the green team 🤷🏻♂️. Some people can like AMD and I don't judge them, I just don't from the experience I had, it was my first and possibly my last AMD GPU.
@@Frank_P83 something is definetely wrong there, it should barely be able consume 350w let alone 450w, and having lag issues is definetely something you shouldnt have, probably you didnt use the most recent drivers because the rx 7900 xt and rx 7900 xtx had lag issues when they came out.
Thanks for this, helped me decided. Becaue im now going with the gre i can also afford the 7800x3d, which is a big upgrade on the 7600 i was going to get
7600 can max out a 4080. x3d is an overkill for 7900gre, unless you are planning to get a 4090 sooner or later.
@mrtendollarman6157 what about 7600x with 7900xt, would that be a better combo?
Hey did you decide? personally id go the 7600 with a high end GPU (4080 super) is still better. Unless the only games you play are CPU intensive like esports. However, with this setup you'll still get 175 + fps and sometimes to 300 anyway. So IMO its overkill either way. You might as well get the better gpu which will last you at 3-5 years. the cpu is cheap and am5 so it can be replaced in 2 years to the best x3d chip then with no changes in Mobo.
@riazali4362 hey, I will be daily playing 1080p competitive pvp games, so think 7800x3d will be best option?
@@phillybb hey, if that's the case go with the 7800x3d. It will benefit you more for higher frames for esports/multiplayer, less 1% lows and higher ones, and higher frames overall. if you need a GPU on a budget to accomodate that CPU then save 200 bucks on the 7900GRE. If you can afford more then go 7900xt. Either combo will destroy anything at 1080p and 1440p multiplayer for the next 4 years minimum.
Just underclock to 960mv, oc to 2700mhz, vram oc to vram 2414 and same 250w = xt perfomance :)
And you can do the same for XT and things go so on...!
Good tip.
@@riannair7101yes but you save the money with the GRE. But to each their own.
I just finished buying my parts yesterday evening and went with the 7900 GRE (on sale for $530 from Newegg right now). I was going to buy the Gigabyte Windforce 7800 XT, but for $30 more, I was able to get the GRE (PowerColor Fighter). The 7800 XT was the go-to for 1440p, but this takes that up one more step and is a great card. I think I made the right choice with this one!
I'm just wondering if this is a Hellhound GRE vs "reference" sapphire XT. If so, there IS some performance left on the table because the base sapphire models run hotter with less stable clock speeds.
Just some food for thought. We might be talking 1-5% performance difference, but I'm pretty sure a Hellhound model XT would be within a few °C difference, if it runs hotter at all.
It is the Power Color reference model vs the Power Color Hellhound.
Curious on the HH's heat and sound, live in a hot country and it seems this version tends to be way cooler and quieter than the power colour version.. even then it's a good toss up between the 7800xt HH and the GRE, not sure 5-15 frames is worth an extra $150AUD.
"you are never going to use all that VRAM", famous last words.
On a more serious note, I agree. Thanks for the detailed review. The temperature difference is surprising and I think the GRE is one of the most interesting cards this year.
Are you going to give us a dragons dogma max setting review?
I'm not, but I have a friend who will. He runs a channel named Max Vasconcelos Gaming. He plans to review the game. Have you heard of him before?
Yeah he’s well known
*7900 XT Manual OC Results* 1060mv - 2900 core - 2700 memory - +15 PL. (Power color hell hound, fans at 1400rpm locked, 83c hotspot max case closed)
Cyberpunk 1440 ultra no upscaling - 128fps (120 in video)
Cyberpunk 4k ultra no upscaling - 58fps (54 in video)
Valhalla ultra 4k - 99fps (91 in video)
Valhalla ultra 1440p - 158fps (151 in video)
I'll try valhalla next. I have a feeling it's going to have a pretty high improvement.
Undervolting is the play for the GRE. I undervolted my Gigabyte GRE and it's outperforming the stock 7900xt in Helldivers 2 in 1440p.
what are your values?
@@Leviathan_1.0 Frequency slider Maxed. 990mV. Power limit maxed.
LOL. Ok
Obviously has none. Just making shit up cause he bought the 7900gre and thinks it's tye greatest. What's next... will he oberclock it and it will be better than the 4090
@@jbroadbelt6 Chill out dude, I'm just realizing that maybe the person who replied to me initially wanted FPS numbers instead of my undervolt numbers. I just assumed the latter. Either way, while you were stroking out as you typed you kinda showed your ingnorance.
First, the 7900XT doesn't touch a 4090, I know that so no I would never say the GRE is anywhere close. AMD's X900XT cards are usually at the RTX X080 cards. AMD has no 4090 competitor, we all know it.
Second, I compared my numbers to what I saw in the video, there are variables I did not account for like what difficulty was the reviewer playing at, what biome, how much action was taking place, how big are the mobs. Helldivers doesn't have a benchmark so I can't do total apples to apples comparison. My performance may be worse if variables were changed, but on its face when I played a couple missions to see how it felt my numbers were better than the video. I don't know those numbers now it's been weeks since I played Helldivers.
I know what the GRE is, it's ABOUT a 4070 or 4070ti equivalent with more VRAM. At the end of the day I like the card, it performs well, I don't have a top tier build, I have what I could afford.
I have that Hellhound GRE, and by just reducing core voltage by 60-80mV, it will get an 7% performance boost and use 265-270W total board power at the same time, as opposed to 280-290W. Seems to work for most.
The cooler on the Hellhound is amazing, but the Sapphire models have the SK hynix memory modules, and they seem to overclock better. Almost all models you can get the VRAM up to 19Gb/s, adding some more performance on top of the core clock headroom.
8% relative performance increase puts it in the Raster area of some VERY expensive GPUs.
There’s a sale on Amazon currently, not how long it’ll be up but I just got a 7900XTX for 570$
Holy crap really? Let me go check.
@@ErockOnTech it was the sapphire version, there seem to have been some off and on sales over the past couple days
@@17DogsInClogs be careful there have been a number of scam resellers on Amazon listing Sapphire cards for cheap, you never end up getting them.
Check the seller, it might be a scam.
@@17DogsInClogsThis is a well known scam. The seller is from China (against Amazon seller TOS) and has bad reviews
Not gonna lie kinda want the gre as the case i will be building in wont have much space for loads of cooling if a gre is gonna run cooler and play what i want than thats a big plus for me. My problem is i cant find many GRE cards in Australia. This is sad to see that us in Australia are seriously lacking when it comes to pc parts
For someone whos aiming to play 1440p and wants the best experience do you think its worth getting the 7900 xt because it preforms better with helldivers 2 and itll be futureproof for a while?
Yes. The logic is sound.
As a recent 7900gre buyer, I have found the memory OC on my card to be less than reviewers.i have had green crashes over 2450mhz even without undervolting. Passes cyberpunk and stuff at 2550 but randomly crashes idle
Oh man i am sorry to hear this! Thanks for letting me know. What model do you have?
@@ErockOnTech The gigabyte gaming OC, I will say the card stays cool and relatively quiet so I'm happy on that respect. I am still trying to dial in my overclocks. It seems to crash on voltage reductions but we will see. 2 hours of hell divers 2 last night was stable at 2450mhz on vram, stock 1050 voltage and core set to 2800 but realistically boosting in the 2500 range. Power target +15%
I wanne see 7800xt nitro + vs gre. Any videos for this comparison let me know
Black Friday baby! I just got a 7900xt 20gb for 790$ canadian
I appreciate the data :D
Awesome! Thank you!
Hello. What do you think - is going from 535 euros to 640 euros worth it to go from Pulse to NItro+ 7900 GRE?
The 7900 xt is 750 euros for the base model, so I'm not sure it's worth the difference and 7900 xtx is around 1000. Yea, my country sucks for computer parts.
In my opinion no it’s not worth it. Take the cheaper card. The Nitro + is probably better but it’s not $105 better.
@@ErockOnTech Thank you.
@@Draxlaryou’re welcome.
GRE is not 4k card. XT is much more powerful. I would stick with XT.
Wait so what card was used for the 7900XT because you showed both the reference card and PowerColour card, these are important distinctions that must be made
In my country the 7800xt and the 7900gre are the same price. And I even got 50 back from purchasing the gre. In my country gpus are about 200 more than msrp. And for 660 i got the asus tuf OC. The cheapest 4070 super i could get was 700 and was a very hot dual fan card that felt terrible. I dont go above 50 degrees with the gre which is insane to me as my last gpu went over 80degrees very very often and sometimes up to 90 degrees.
thank you an informative opnion on these two cards I am in the market for a new card to run tripple 1440 monitors (Sim Racing) any advice on if the 7900GRE will handle this setup
Glad I could help! Yes I think it can. But I have no experience with sim racing or sim flights. Maybe the XT would be better for the extra VRAM in your case.
Im a avid 1440p gamer and I am looking for a whole setup upgrade computer wise, I was thinking 7900gre with 7800x3d? I would really appreciate the help. Or for my second option a 4080 super with my current 3950x? (Also really nice video)
Thank you. Yes, get the 7900GRE and the 7800X3D!
@@ErockOnTechhii, will there be alot difference between using r7 7700 and r7 7800x3d? Which one would be more preferable
@@shimoi40937800x3d.👍👍👍
Totally viable data, Bro. I was torn between a white 7800XT with RGB for $499 and a "flat" looking Asrock Challenger 7900GRE for $529. I went with the GRE, screw the RGB. 😀
Performance over looks all day long!
But brither, when newer games demand more vram, will xt be not be the better choice?
I'm still struggling which to buy 😅
Right now, most people still think 8 gb is enough. So if you have a card with 16 gb or more, you are totally good for the foreseeable future.
@@ErockOnTech got a 7900xt few days ago, hoping to future proof
@@the_mystic_ghost4148You’ll be good for a long while. Enjoy!
@@ErockOnTech that'll be great! 😁
How about now 6 months after this video, its only 80$ diffrent. Is it still worth taking a 7900xt for 800$?
I got the Sapphire Pulse RX 7900 XT 20GB + 7800X3D 6 month ago and is very good combo 20 FPS is alot FPS diference it time will see what im talking about 👍
It is a lot of FPS difference. Which benchmark are you referring to?
Got exactly the same build💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼. At least tomorrow😅 Tomorrow i will build my PC.
If you play COD Warzone, what fps do you get?
Did you have SAM turned on for these tests?
Did you benchmark the GRE with the memory clocks enabled? The GRE is almost 300 EUR cheaper than the 7900 XT but with the memory overclocking it's going to be within 5-10% (as the GRE responds very well to OC from the reports).
I did not. The memory oc fix was not yet available when I did my testing.
@@ErockOnTech thought so - it takes a lot of time doing benchmarks like that and they only just dropped it. My GRE should be arriving on Wednesday, hopefully it'll tide me over until the 5090 drops :)
Can the gre still be a good budget 4k card or should I just go for the 7900xt? 🤔🤔🤔
Really depends on what games you’re playing. Also, if you’re ok with FSR, then it can do 4K decently.
I went for 7900 XT, difference was only 80 euros in my country, primary reason being: sure GRE has the potential to reach XT performance, but that doesn't happen with every GRE card you buy...as i was reading if planning to overclock you MAYBE get XT level of base performance and only 80ish euro difference between Nitro + 7900 XT which was on sale and best GRE model ( also Nitro + ) you cant top that
Side by side, I couldn't go for the GRE over the XT, just because the prices are so close. GRE is also in a weird spot from 7800XT, if you're in a budget situation... kind of makes me wonder, although the GRE is a fantastic card, who is it for?
Yeah I was leaning towards the 7800 XT or the XTX over all. But then the GRE got that OC bump. It really made a difference. Plus the temperatures, at least on the Hellhound, are incredible! But that's what's so great about PC gaming and PC building. Plenty of options! :)
@@ErockOnTech 100% agreed. Give us *_ALL_* the options! 😂
I have no idea what id going on in my "local" market, but the cheapest GRE goes for 470$, the 7800xt for 480$ and the 7900xt for 730$
@@mastroitek Local production I'd imagine. GRE is imported from China as I understand it. Could also be they just overproduced the GRE? Really odd though.
Middle of the road I guess, slightly pricier than a 7800 XT, but not as pricey as any of the 7900s, and more VRAM than anything Nvidia are providing. I think it's a decent compromise, especially if you're leaning more towards 1440p gaming at decently high refresh rates and you're looking to dip your toes into the Red team's pool (or at least, that was my justification for getting it).
This was the card that made me switch to AMD, as I was tired of searching for 2nd hand 3080 Ti and 3090s for minimum £500... I started asking myself "Why not just get a new card from Green's line up for that kind of money?", but then I checked, and I couldn't justify spending a small fortune on 12/16GB (max) VRAM GPU, even with NVidia's shiny bells and whistles. Even some of the cheaper options, like RTX 4060, are just not up to scratch (for obvious reasons, lol). Nvidia's new "Ti Super Duper Ultra mega" 4070s look compelling, but they're still too expensive. The 4080 and 90 are not even on the table for discussion...
I just hope AMD can continue to improve FSR, like they've demonstrated in tests recently. This, plus the mem OC will make this card a real favourite I imagine. I just wish that board partners would include an anti sag bracket with the damn thing, it's heavy af as I'm sure @EsrockOnTech will probably agree, it's crazy that PowerColor don't give you one! 😂
I got both of these card, if your concern about the temp or you live in hot place get the GRE
The price difference in holland now is $600 for a GRE and $739 for a XT, is the GRE still the best Choice?
They are both actually worth, but depends what is your budget and how you gonna use them. The RX 7900 XT can be overclocked to the almost same performance as the stock 7900 XTX, while 7900 GRE has 4gb VRAM less and can be overclocked at the level of the stock 7900 XT... Imo they are both excellent price/performance ratio.
Temperature is great on both cards and power draw difference is around 25w - this is negligible. I would pick GRE for 1440p and 7900XT for 4K or widescreen monitor.
wtf is that GRE 50celsius under 100% load???
I am hoping the 7900XT drops to $600usd this Black Friday!
right now is at 100$ more expensive, i think is a enough to prefer the xt
in my country GRE is the same price as the XT, and there is only one model avaible.. so I went with XT
Is 7 7800x3d paired with 7900xt overkill for full HD? I wanna get that pc with thinking about future monitor upgrade for 1440p
You are literally thinking about getting a 1440p monitor, so no, it's not overkill.
for me the 7900xt is currently the same price as a 7900 gre. If your in the UK the XFX 7900 xt is going for £608, you can get a 7900 gre but the only 2 options we have are both dual cards and are only £40 cheaper
I somewhat recently got my 7900GRE, absolutely loving it so far. now all i need is a 1440p monitor XD
On the basis of visible alignment of fans ,I think that there is more exhaust then air intake leading to high temperatures.The storage space is also low for modern games.
What are you referring to? The case the GPU is installed in?
could u overclock the xt to close to xtx performance?
Yes. But the XTX is still faster. Also, you can overclock the XTX as well to push it further ahead.
What about 1080p? Is the GRE overkill?
Hello guys i am thinking of building a gaming pc and i was between the rx7900gre+ryzen 7 7800x3d and the rx7900xt+ ryzen 5 7600x cause its the same amount of money in my country.The thing is that i am currently using a 1080p 240hz monitor but in the future i was thinking of upgrading to a 1440p one .Which combo should i go for and why?
Ps:pc is for gaming only and i play both competitive esports titles and triple a ones.Will i have bottleneck with the second combo and is that a problem?
I'm glad I saw this video because I wanted the Sapphire nitro of the gre and noticed it was $100 less of a 7900XT so I wondered if I should jump or not?🤔
I mean looking at this video and if playing only at 1440p and not 4k, I'd save the £100 and pick up the 7900GRE and overclock the memory on it for a 10-15% boost.
@@Lennox032 My thoughts exactly.
It felt like fantasy switching from a 1650 super to the rx 7900 gre
I went with sapphire pulse. 7900 gre is crazy 🤪 really love the card
If i lasted 4 years with a 1650 super, ill last 8 years top with this gpu
Im thinking in the next 4-6 years lol
Its pricey upfront but longterm would do it good
Im comfortable rn with it paired with 5800x3d
Not a dumb video at all I was actually interested in this comparison, as I was interested in high 1440 p framerate.
just upgraded from MSI RTX 2080 Sea Hawk to shappire pulse RX7900XT love it already
Hello, Thanks for this!! I am looking forward to build new pc, so I would be glad if you could help me a bit. I want pc that will last at least 5years without mayor upgrades. I want it to be easily upgradable so I will go with AM5 socket chip Ryzen 7 7700x or 7 7800x3d.. And now to my biggest question: do you think that 7900 gre is future proof enough. Or should I go for 7900XT or expensive 4070 super (with this card i am scared of only 12gb ram) (In my country the price increase from gre to xt is around 25% and from gre to super under 7%.
(One more question how big diference does the manufacturer make. You have 7900 gre from power color but in my region I have only gigabyte or sapphire avalible)
Thanks for helping out!! And sorry for soo many questions, I am new to pc building.
There isn't any significant difference. Even cheap versions like the Powercolor Fighter keep cool enough for heavy daily use and the power limits in the BIOS do not allow overclocking to the degree that these cheaper coolers would start to fall short.
You should go with 4070 Ti Super with 16 Gb. I consider it timeproof. And 7800X3D as CPU
Agradecido, estaba ahorrando para la 7800xt luego vi reviews de la 7900gre pero no era muy diferente de la 7800xt, ahora veo que con la actualización mejoro la gráfica así que si tendré que juntar algo mas de dinero pero voy por la 7900gre!! 😊👌
Awesome! I agree. Good choice!
Hello Erock, quick question. Do you think the low Temps. is specific to the PowerColor Hellhound? wondering if there would be similar Temps. on Asrock, Saphire, Red devil, Fighter and Gigabyte 7900 GRE cards? would be nice to know before me and my son build a PC..thanks
The Hellhound is the coldest. Excellent question. Yes, the Hellhound specifically is the coldest.
@@ErockOnTech Must be one hell of a cooler, 290w dissipated that efficient. What are the fan-rpm levels?
People complain about VRAM, but are they changing their settings to actually use all the VRAM?
For this comparison did you run the 7900 GRE stock not OC'd
0:55 yes
@@ErockOnTech awesome 👌🏻 I have ordered this card in the Sapphire Nitro+ version and can't wait to use it!
What’s crazy is I’ve had my 7900 xt for a year now, and I bout it for 650 open box at microcenter
Which driver was the GRE tests done on? 24.3.1 (the one that unlocked the memory, should be slightly better at stock settings aswell)
Respectfully, I covered this in the video. I said it was before the OC fix. The driver version is listed on screen at 1:53
The question is, do I go with the 7900 GRE red devil or hellhound
Red devil is the top tier in Powercolor,but Hellhound still is a great tier of GPU, it is all come down to the price difference
in UK the hellhound 7800 xt is ₤508 vs hellhound 7900 gre which is ₤565 and the red devil is ₤535 ish and that's better than hellhound.. wish it was 200 less 😭 still saving up!
I’m sorry to hear that!
One thing that is important is the memory speeds of the 7900xt. Also one reason why the vram difference is in the comparison.
i guess the 7900 gre is worth 20-50 more than the 7800 xt? i know its kinda a dumb question but i would rather ask than make a mistake
Both are good. Now that the overclocking update is out, I say get the 7900 GRE.
@@ErockOnTech okay thanksds
You should have used the hellhound gre if you're gonna compare temps, massive difference in those coolers
Ryzen 7 7700X + 7900GRE = excellent combo !
literally my build. just bought the 7900 gre steel legend for my all white build, comes in friday!
How does it perform?
@@Qwhx123a fantastic for raw rasterization. Though I may return it for a 7900xt since right now it’s just $100 more.
With ray tracing disabled but all the other things like ssr enabled and on high settings Cyberpunk runs at 50fps 1440p native no frame generation.
Basically if you minus ray tracing out of the equation it’s a great card. Oh, and undervolt it for extra performance because… reasons lol the GRE starts at 1050mhz but mine runs faster at 980mhz
@@THE_REEEE_KING sorry if a am Asking, does the 7900 XD have frame generation?
@@THE_REEEE_KING Xt
it depends on availability. In my country gre is 610 usd and xt is 745. thermals aren't an issue for xt. the non oc performance scales well with price for the xt
I'm comparing these cards for 2 reasons; price, and case. I have a case that I like, but as an mATX case it doesn't support any of the 7900xt cards outside of the Sapphire Pulse. 7900gre opens up a couple more GPU options. The alternative is to just buy a new case, which I can, I just don't want to have a bunch of cases laying around. None of my build lists have a difference of more than $110. I'm on the fence.
Get the GPU you want in my opinion and just get a new case. It’s been my experience that people buy PC cases very fast on the Facebook marketplace if you list it low enough
Have to wonder what it will look like come the end of year sales, since end of 2023 its not hard to find 7900xt for $700 or even lower with some patience(690$ not much but its still lower).
Here’s my thing, if you want a 1440p experience at max graphics with 180 fps then that’s about all a higher end cards are worth it for, I have the 7900 gre with a R9 7900x and get about 120 fps on brand new games and ludicrous fps on less demanding games. The other things is that the cost of an oled 1440 p or 4k monitor costs as much as if not more than the nvidia cards so the best bang for your buck is gonna be an oled monitor with one of these rather than a 4k monitor on 4k with a 4090 only playing maybe 90 fps max
Would you take a 4070 super over a 4070 ti or ti super?
Definitely. Unless your job is 3D modeling or animation, in that case; the 4070 Ti Super would be worth it. But if you're just a gamer with some video editing or something, then go with the 4070 Super. (4070 Ti is never worth it anymore)
Sooo. If the 7900gre is $599 and a 7900xt hell hound is on sale for $670. Is $70 worth the difference?
Maybe in 3 or 2 more year you'll see if the difference is worth it. Each year games will need bigger vram which the 7900xt has so paying $70 could be an investment.
I get around 120fps on 4K with a XT7800XT the GRE was not out when i bought my 7800. using a Ryzen 7 5800x