How to Master A Song (My Current Mastering Technique) - ModernMixing.com
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In this video I show what my current approach on how to master a song. Even though I would never consider myself to be a mastering engineer, it isn't usual for me to send out a mastered version of my mix to the client.
The purpose of doing this is to demonstrate to the client what their mix would sound like once it has been through mastering.
I'm definitely not trying to go for perfection here but rather get it as close as I possibly can. It's really hard to compete with a mastering engineer who has dedicated their entire life to the craft.
I also realize that this is probably a more expensive way to approach mastering your own song but also realize that there are many free options you can use that can mimic what I am doing. I just personally prefer the sound of my mixes going through the analog gear but that shouldn't stop you from making a great record!
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Man you too modest, that master version sounds radio ready.
In this video I show you how I approach mastering my mixes these days. I realize this is not the cheapest route to mastering a mix but there are a lot of ideas to be learned from this approach that you can apply using cheaper alternatives.
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Izotope ozone 6 has a level match feature on it (the little ear). click it and it'll help alot more
Ill Soul
Hey, awesome tip. Thanks so much. Admittedly I am still learning this plugin. Cheers.
No problem and truthfully arent we all still learning this thing called mixing ;-)
Can you do the same thing using plugins?
Nice video. Really sounds like the transients of the drums are more present, the overall mix has more clarity and sounds nicely glued together. nice work ;D
Thanks MC.
Sir! You are mastering your craft! I could hear your changes clearly and you made everything in your mix occupy a designated space. My hats off to you. GREAT JOB!!!
The fact that the example for 'bad' mastering is better than my stuff really says something.
+cortster12 Hey, the song itself was really good so it made it pretty easy in terms of just balancing it and not trying to screw up the mix. The "mastering" part was just to give it a little more love. Just keep practicing your mixing skills, you will get their my friend. :)
+cortster12 Hey, the song itself was really good so it made it pretty
easy in terms of just balancing it and not trying to screw up the mix.
The "mastering" part was just to give it a little more love. Just keep
practicing your mixing skills, you will get their my friend. :)
LOL
Hehehe
It's so interesting, that the actual video of ''Avril Victoria - Another Step'' has earned less than 10k views, but this mastering video currently 300k+ views!
This is probably the best RUclips video I've seen on mastering. Thank you!
+Sean Earle Hey Sean. Thanks a lot. Happy Mixing!
Amazingly well produced. If I can get something half as good as this I would be proud. Thanks for the upload!
Very good tutorial, but sometimes the nomenclature is a bit off. 'Compression' (using a 'compressor'), NOT 'limiting', is used to reduce the dynamic range of a track or mix; 'make-up gain' can then be applied to make the track or mix louder w/o unwanted distortion. Applied to a mix, it can smooth out the levels of the various tracks and help the mix 'hang together', so to speak. 'Limiting' (using a 'limiter') is very hard compression -- close to infinity:1 -- to avoid clipping or digital distortion. Re distortion: 'Color' IS 'distortion', but used to produce desirable harmonics. (A 'warm' sounding mic or preamp produces its pleasing sound by adding even harmonics to the lower frequencies. A 'sweet' sound can be achieved by adding even harmonics to the higher frequencies. Odd harmonics produce a generally harsh sound, e.g., a distorted electric guitar.) A VERY harsh or 'brittle' sounding distortion comes from 'clipping' the waveform -- the top and bottom of the waveform is flattened, producing a nearly square wave. (This is what fries speakers, btw, and why your speakers should be fed by amps that have plenty of headroom.)
+Rico Chofsky Here's a secret. What you posted. Literally changed nothing. Regardless of how accurate/right it might have been, it changed nothing. If you honestly think that youtube is the place to share the information above then you are clearly lost.
hahaha i can shit on mastering my whole life :P
AgentDeath and neither did your comment
Clipping does not fry speakers. It's the extra power output FROM clipping that fries speakers. This extra power output comes from the speaker's amplifiers. Why? Because the clipped waveform signal has more area underneath it than the same waveform, at the same amplitude, but not clipped. In short, a clipped signal, as long as it isn't loud enough to drive the amplifier will NOT cause problems to the speakers.
I was referring to power amp clipping. I thought that was apparent; perhaps not.
For more, see www.jblpro.com/pub/technote/lowpower.pdf
what i learned from this video, to have someone do a great mix and take all the credit for clipping off the peaks
Funny, considering I did the mix.
One of the better mastering videos out there
Finally someone gets it how ton make a tutorial. Good video and talking. Very good that you showed different tapes of comparing the versions.
It's interesting to see you clip the converts first. Most mastering engineers clip the converts last. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Matt. I'm actually clipping in the anolog section, not the digital section so that's probably why. From what I understand, Mastering engineers have ridiculously expensive converters and will clip the digital stage and use that as the final output. I have an interview coming out soon with mixer/master Luca Pretolesi. He explains how he does that digital clipping technique. Cheers.
Good tutorial. I don't own any analogue hardware at the moment however will try some of these things without other plug-ins I have.
awesome video , it helped me a lot, I never took music classes or audio all I know is from watching people mixing
I'm just getting the hang of if a day to be honest I had the theory of how things work ,I wasn't so far off thank you,
you did inspired me
+Nexx Figueroa Whenever you have a "self-thought" theory, my advice is to try it out and test it until the cows come home. If I never acted on that thought I would never have used the API's on my mixes. Like seriously most people would say that putting a mix through preamps is not recommended because of line level/mix level issues and because it's meant for recording - yada yada yada. But seriously it sounds amazing. Cheers Dude!
Very, very nice job. As far as the limiting section, I'm big on Invisible Limiter, but now you've got me quite curious about Ozone 6's capacities.
mightyjoe Ozone uses too much CPU!!! Wayyyy too much.
You are not just a RUclipsr but a professor .👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Clipping is actually not recommended for digitally distributed music as most services use normalizing these days. Basically you'll have a clipped audio file at -9-14 LUFS. Also to A-B match in Ozone, use the 'ear' button under 'Audition'.
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Hey man GREAT tutorial. Helped me a lot. You can make even longer videos if you want, I particularly think it's even better when we go down to the last detail. Thank you so much!
Great video man thanks for posting. I must have the A2D now. Thanks for making my decision to get one easy. Your master of the song sounds really good!!!
Should have seen my face once that waveform started showing its face.
Thanks for existing. I think you might have just accomplished your goal....again.
'Noxious Cool, so glad I'm reaching so many people in a positive way!
Still working on my sound design skills, this video still is one of the biggest things in my mind when mixing down, even without external units.
'Noxious
Awesome! So happy to hear that.
3 minutes of caveats and apologies! LOL No need here. I'm happy to get your free video. I wouldn't complain about the length or anything else. Thanks for that. Great info!
Thank You Modern Mixing for these tips.....soon gonna work on it!!!!!
mandar revealed No problem. Thanks for watching.
Thats e right way for mixing and mastering for future...realy...this technique start in aproax. in years 2013 in japan...i think maybe. I want to apply this technique ....I have been experimenting with this technique for two years. I'm just going to buy new devices and try to apply it professionally. First tested is amazing and sound like analog version old harware with more than + 6db output, but in digital output to max. zero db. Amazing !
Great video. It was not long. I wanted more. I have a really good limiter and Eqs from Waves. Do you think it is necessary to buy the gear you have?
Very good job bud. Great sounding record n beautiful mix Master
Just the video I was looking for! Thank you!
Love this video, I get to see it repeatedly. Good job
I think you can compete with mastering engineers. I've had masters that honestly haven't been good lately. If you have basic analog gear, good taste and use ur ears properly, you can compete. There is the Rupert Neve MBP II, which is amazing! That and a good stereo Eq and you are ready. Cheers!
thank brother your video change my like on mastering.i'm from west africa.God bless you
+Agode Komi Cheers
thank again please can'i know the name of virtual vst to renoise my pro cause api is too expensive for me now
Sir, those paint skills are impressive! :D
Thanks so much for taking the time to make these videos
great vid dude KUDOS to you sir , mastering is the "dark art" thanks for the insight.
You made my day! :D Thanks a lot!
Great video. there is a lot to be said by just soft clipping the converters. I run a mastering studio and to be honest this is the fundamental process every day
+Vohs Norred Yes, Also Digital Clipping can work wonders depending on the source. Cheers.
You should really be using the 2:1 button for this kind of effect, the only api product that offers this.
it changes the way your audio hits the transformer. Much better in this type of use. Just my opinion and experience.
now i am in a good mood
Very good , what 's that sound like ?
Modern Mixing This was a huge eye opener, Thanks. How can we achieve similar goals for mastering with similar tools that are within are reach financially in terms of DACs and analog gear.
bigdap100 That's a good question. I don't really have an answer. If you have cheaper gear, I would probably just stay inside the box because you could probably get better results with plugins. Atleast I would stay in the box if I had like a $200 preamp and $250 compressor. But then again I might experiment with the sound going out and see what I like better. Cheers.
Great job guys, really good technique!
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Hi Justin, great video! great mix! I'm in the market to get a 2 track ADC to get my summed mixes back into my computer. And I have a couple questions regarding the API a2d if you don't mind answering. Do you still use this unit to print in 2019? Does the A2D conversion quality still stands up to the modern reference grade 2-channel converters? I like how this unit has the pres and the converter in one box, but I already have some good pres, I don't really need them they will of course be great coloring tools for my 2-bus. In the used market, I can probably get some ADC like Antelope Pure2, BLA sparrow white or RME ADI-2-Pro FS in the same price range. What do you recommend? Also, for the A2D, do you feed the printing signal through the mic ins or the line-ins? And why? Sorry for the long question and it will be much appreciated if you could answer them!
Thanks a lot!
Shawn
Very good video.
I just start to work with analog summing and I have question for you. Do you think its any deference if you send every buss do the summing or just L/R ?
Thank you
Do you have a mic to line converter im between the preamp and the interface?
Or are there absolutely no issues with noise as is?
Great video btw! Been looking for vids on the api AD2 and this is by far the best one!
Thank you for taking the time to do videos like these. Subbed
Spectator Mag Thank you
subtle and sweet mastering :) gj
poko piko Thanks Poko
shit I dnt care how long a video is especially if I'm learning something.
Cheers
you think 26 minutes is long ?
It isn't...but there has been a bit of a RUclips trend(I've noticed from comment sections, from other videos) that if a video goes over 5-7 mins, people bitch about about the length of the video...rather than the content. The magic of internet instant answers, In my opinion, has made the human race spoiled...lol
Steveman1981
ok that must be for audio only then , graphics tutorials are mostly an hour or longer , also here on youtube
fa real, fa real. I'm learning for free!
Thanks for makin this video Justin.,,What Program are you using here?? Is this a Protools program?? Can I use these techniques you show us here with Protools 8??or what will I need??
John Arroyo Yes I am using pro tools. Yes you can use Pro Tools 8. Pro tools was really designed to work extremely well with hardware going WAYYYYY back. Good Luck!
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,,THANKS Justin...
This was super helpful and well explained. Thank you!
***** Thank you and good luck!
That iZotope maximizer is crazy...
+HSSLNG It is
Absolutely loved the tutorial. Thanks so much. How would you rate the USB Pre2's against the Mytec 96 DA? The options available to me are the RME Fireface UC, USB Pre2 which I intend routing into the API A2D but I needed your advise before I go down that route please. Thanks again and keep posting more videos on Mastering please.
+Akshay Singh Khanna I'm not too familiar with those box but I have used a RME FF800 before and I really liked the converters in that box. I thought they sounded really good considering the price point. I would go out of the RME and into the API and that should get you decent results. I wouldn't put anything else into it's path unless it's high quality gear. If you have a chose between low budget gear and staying inside the box, I would stay inside the box.
Thank you so much indeed. I am trying to source a Mytek 96 DA as was in the video tutorial but it is proving difficult so far given my geographic location. Since, I am planning to invest in the API A2D would you perhaps advise on buying something better or should I stick to the API given its price point? I am just getting into mastering and do not have the luxury of trying out gear therefore your advise is most valuable. Thank you again and I would love to see more videos/sessions on mastering.
Fantastic video. Very informative and fun to watch :)
Have you ever compared the Slate VCC api model with that hardware API you own? How would you compared the saturation on those two?
Cheeres!
To be honest, they don't compare at all. It's a different texture. I know they are not the same models so that might explain it.
Im a Mastering engineer with years of experience. Sounds great.
***** Do you know what program I need to Master my own tracks?? Can I do it in protools??
Inbox me on facebook @sfmastering and I will give you the scoop
+Derrick Snellings Cheers
+John Arroyo YES!!!!
Thanks bro
I think that a good idea, if you are a sound engineer, to mix sound of your video correctly. Voiceover and music example differ A LOT! If you master "mastering" it is not so heavy to compress voiceover a little bit before uploading tutorial. Sound example sounds great, but I tutorial didn't get a sense for me...
Well, soft clipping conversions as well as digital clipping (depending on the musical content) are a part of everyday mastering. It wasn't bad, but you plateau'd your waveform (and dynamics) because of the way you set up your ratios for threshold and peak and type of limiting. Experience will change that.
Excellent video, highly appreciated!
+gmsvensson Excellent viewer. highly appreciated
Georgeous song and mix....
+joseph guidry thanks
Super.
Waiting for a Ozone 7 version...
Thanks
Learned from you something BEST ! Awecome technics !
+Anhidema Michael Vermey Cheers
Thanks for making this video, brotha
What's the reason for mastering with 6.6dB of head room?
I have 16 db headroom, but for this you must have realy good preamp, microphone, reciever and many more special analog and digital equipment....hardwork....but after...hard good sound. Very important is AD/DA convertor and preamplifer...and of course microphone....i like microphone Marsall, MXM. Exist more dynamic headroom but for more you must have very good room and other harware like profesionaly room for recording in studio. Thats e hard skill !
Yeah, I hate long videos! Thanks for saying that in the beginning! it made me really wanna watch the whole thing! LOL thanks man!
PS. right now I am in a 3member band. I sing, and my buddy's do Guitar, Bass, Drums. we are getting ready to get into Publishing and before we send our Songs out... I am in Study mode Sir - Learning how to Mix First! Then Mastering! as you mentioned... I don't have big budget money for top of the line gear Sir... But - I would like to get "The Max out of my Equipment" and it starts with Learning!!!
*** can you recommend compressors and Eq's and efx I can buy to add to my Acids Pro 7 DAW Sir???
Thank you for your imput and time Sir. Great TuT ! I will look up further MIXING Tuts 101 from you - Then Mastering Tuts 101 from you Sir....Thank You.
+Unique Touch There's too many to list. I like the stock delays in pro tools as well as some of the CLA signature stuff. It sounds great. I have been using the Slate VMR more these days, not because it sounds the best but because it makes my workflow a lot faster and sometimes that's more important. Good Luck
Really enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Nice post! Very helpful!
The song actually sounds like a hit! Is it something you were working on?
My mixes look like the bottom end on the spectrum analyzer are weak even when I have the bass pumping as loud as I can. What can I do? Is it because most of my eq is adding a tiny bit of high end and hardly any bottom? If so how do I reconcile this if it was the best sound for each instrument individually?
Have you done a vid on balancing your mix? What about panning and filling up the entire spectrum?
I'm mixing Afro-Cuban music and it's very hard to not get cluttered cause it's a lot of instruments like a big band ensemble.
Any tips?
Thanks
You're probably doing too much. Here's a video on me balancing a hip hop track ruclips.net/video/MxEeiqeihnQ/видео.html
You should also join my email list - I have a ton of content that goes out and I preach (like a mad man) the less is more concept to mixing. I get emails every day from people saying how my emails have helped change their music - modernmixing.com/yt/eq-cheat-sheet/
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Cool, I'll check it out.
Thanks
Awesome Thanks!!!
so many other videos use such lame sample songs....ugh
but this one is really GOOD!!!
thank you!!!
fuuunkie Thanks for the nice comment. I try to deliver good tuts with GOOD music as often as I can. subscribe and stay tuned, lots planned and on the way.
looking at this tutorial with g 8040's :D so nice those a/b comparisons you show..
+Jasper Pääkkönen Thanks
The 312 is a mic pre and designed for mics brother, not bussing a mix through? Why not get an analog summing mixer to buss and print your stems out? Am I wrong or is there a sonic improvement by doing this?
+Jazzyman Sigh.... Music (especially mixing) is art. A mic preamp is a tool designed for a specific purpose but can be used for anything that your imagination will allow. The first thing that comes to mind is engineers reamping sound. Basically sending the sound out through a speaker, in a room, setting up a mic and then recording it back into the DAW so they could add texture or space to the sound. So think of it like art, if you think something could work, try it out and see if it sounds better. If not then at least no one got hurt!!!!
Sir, you have inspired me. Cheers!
Excellent video. Thanks a lot!!
I like your clean and straight to the point Tutorial Sir !!! Great Stuff.
1. As i am a Beginner, I bought Acid Pro 7 from NYC H & B Photo and Audio Store online as my DAW. I see you have Pro-Tools Sir.... Can I achieve as good results with it {Acid Pro 7) ???
2. Before Going into clicking with a PC and Acid-7... I bought the Table Top- Hands-on (Tascam-2488 Neo 24TRK Digital Portable Recorder) Sir. What do you think of this as a Mastering - Mixing avenue Sir ???
*** You sound like a serious fella and I rather hear your opinion than from some ill-informed individual SIr.
As a beginner noone takes us serious , but I am trying hard to be taken serious Sir. I hope you have a minute or two to reply Sir.
I am a Christian and all I can say is Thank you Sir and May God in Heaven Bless you ! Take Care.... 2/15/16
The song is beautiful. Is there a whole version on the internet?
***** Check description. Regards,
Great Video. Thanks for showing the process. Love the subtle approaches in stages to get the results. Question: How do you handle Bit Depth and Sample Rate conversion? If a session comes to you at 24/96 or 24/44 and you need to deliver a 16/44 master for CD, where do you apply the conversion and dithering?
Everytime I try to make the conversion, the printed master results are poor. I either get some small distortion or it sounds cloudy. I've tried using Ozone 5 inside Pro Tools in the past for a final mastering step, but I'm guessing I'm not handling it right.
Aaron Doerr I don't do a lot of mastering, I mostly do mixing stuff and then master my own stuff. When I get the files in, I just upload them into Pro Tools at 24/41 and use the built in conversion . When I'm printing, I either use the PWR Dither plugin or Ozone 6. I generally don't worry about it.
How you out your signal from computer and back input digitally ,,, do you have digital card insert in your computer or it has spdif in/out socket. Please explain I follow you from the beginning of this video 👍🙏
I'm getting ready to buy one of these. I don't understand the routing. Do I need an external clock since it's SPDIF? My computer doesn't have a SPDIF port, neither does my Thunderbolt port. How do you connect SPDIF? My interface has an in and out
The tracks were probably better on this song than most of your "students" have to begin with.
But I actually like it better pre-iZotope. The blue mix sounded warmer to me and the green mix had that obvious eq air sound in comparison.
+erestube Maybe, but if your track recordings suck then you need to focus on better production techniques, recording techniques and so on. I could also say that Taylor Swifts records sound better because she has better recordings. You just have to work with what you got and make the best of it. Also if you need good quality tracks to use ASAP then you should really check out the modernmixing.com/multitracks Cheers.
Advice - use the ear button (the button near bypass) in Ozone to hear the difference
How are you going line input into the API? I notice in the video, you are not using the LINE INPUTS on the front of the API. So how are you sending line level into the XLR mic inputs on the back of the unit?
amazing mastering tips !
Is the mytek Stereo DAC specific for this? If I go via firewire from my laptop to my Sapphire, then Analog out to the Api a2d, would it be lacking any stereo enhancement? Great tutorial by the way thanks alot.
This is a Really Nice Video. Good Stuff
BjornFSE Thanks man!
Hey man,
Brilliant video. Would I be able to do something similar with my Focusrite ISA Two? Should I be using the line in or mic in seeming as they're set up as two different impedances? (I don't want to be blowing my pre's haha) Thanks bud!
+dangerale Not famaliar with the quality or the sound of the ISA. But I always tells people to refrain from low budget gear when attempting this. A lot of the high quality plugins sound better then the low budge gear these days. It's probably better to mimic this technique inside the box at that point. IF you are using A Class gear, then go crazy!
Hey great video! I was wondering, why you pulled the limiter peak down to around -6.0 dB on the maximizer? I was always told the limiter peak should be at -0.1 only to make sure the audio doesn't clip, & then you pull the threshold down (like you did) to get more volume out of it. Is this wrong?
The song and the mastering sound amazing :)
+Europa's Ocean You sound amazing!
Brilliant tutorial! Thanks!
Sound Good Man Nice Video Thanks
frank rogers Thank you!
The hardware clipping can also be achieved with the waves plugin BUT who knows what magic the hardware does to the sound as the gain is pushed I don't think the waves software could emulate that but I;m sure acustica nebula could for those looking for the preamp sound without the mega bucks.
Anomaly Waves or any other company but to be honest I just added a Dangerous BAX into the analog chain and both the BAX and the API do something to the sound that I haven't achieved from digital. Not that it's good or bad, it's really different but I prefer the difference the analog stuff gives me. Cheers.
Great mastering skills. I see you are also using the L1 limiter..Could you explain so I understand as to why you are using two limiters (ozone + waves limiter) Thanks :)
L1 is meant for volume matching.
Sounds amazing!
realy help me bro....keep going 4 all of us.....
hope to inspire you one day
eyal
Eyal Glazner Thanks Eyal. I am. Cheers!
Good information! 👍🏼🔥👌🏼
it worked! thank you so much!!
Beyond my comprehension and what I have to work with. Any real simple tutorials with PT 11 or 12 stock plug in for mastering for beginners novice?
+bleek blaw Yes, but why short change you as a viewer. I'm trying to impress the idea of experimentation and also that sticking to the rules doesn't apply. You can use free and stock plugins but they only ever work (for mastering) in certain situations. ie the mix is absolutely perfect and recorded properly without flaw. In most cases you are going to have to add some mojo and color the master (even if it's very slight) to get it to groove and push out the speakers and speak to the audience. Cheers.
cool vid! tnx! why dont you leave api in the end of the chain and do all DAW thang before sending it out?
I like the digital limiter to be the final stage, I feel like I can precisely get the final output level to where I want it.
can you explain you mixing chain do you have a pcie card and then using the adi and the mytek or is everything going through that focusrite saffire pro 40?
yow g you have performed great works here big up ⬆
I like the API trick alot,,,Thanks!!!
just what I needed to see
hueynem Awesome. Glad I could help
Great video but I have a question please. Can I use dangerous music dbox instead of api pre amp?!
Thanks a lot my friend. I am waiting for another great video from you.
+Mazzika Gamda Yes but it will yield different results. I have a BAX and if the mid range colour is similar on the DBOX then it should add something nice to the sound. The only thing is you won't be able to clip like you can on the APIs. So I would just use the DBOX for the color more then anything. Cheers.
+Modern Mixing thanks again so much and I loved a2d a lot when I saw ur great video. Ok so what about connecting the dbox with a2d. Connect the 2 analog out to the analog in in a2d and take the digital out from a2d to digital in in pro tools so I can use the dbox as and d2a is it a good idea and do u think it will help in a good mastering? And I am thinking to get Avalon AD2044 and use it after dbox and connect it to analog in in api a2d.. What do you think about that. Thanks so much for your help and for great tutorials.
+Mazzika Gamda I don't see why that wouldn't work. MAstering is relative and different for everyone I guess. I just prefer to have some analog on my mix even if it's the back end. It's not super necessary but it gives me that extra 1-5% that I like to hear.
+Modern Mixing yeah that's right. Thanks again
Hi Justin, many thanks for the video!
I have never seen somebody using a mic pre to run a full mix through it.
Are the output level knobs stepped? If not, don't you risk altering the stereo image of the mix?
hey, the knobs are not stepped. I haven't noticed any stereo image damage, if anything I noticed that the track becomes a bit more defined and sometimes opens up a little bit because the left and right channels are not perfect
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Hm... I guess for me the risk of shifting my phantom center would too high :)
I think even a couple of tenth of dB of difference between the channels can be enough for that... may (not must!) become an issue which is especially noticable on headphones/earbuds.
David Mood There is no risk in my opinion, that's why I love mixing. I would just try it out and see what happens. If you don't like what it does, you can always revert back. This is the beauty of digital. Happy Mixing! :)
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This of course, is very true :)
Happy Mixing to you, too!
David Mood i ve done this all the time even before i had no idea about mixing and mastering...if the mic pre happens to be a good tube pre then its even more better...it works fine all the times and it gives a more punchy definition