- elite scientist in multiple fields - smartest Starfleet officer ever - exclusive mental link to Sarek - expert in hand to hand combat - good nutritionist - elite pilot - expert strategist - both physically strong and agile, able to beat more muscular men and even Vulcans and Klingons - very lovable - extremely compassionate - good actor - very brave - good public speaker - very moral, committed to Star Fleet ideals I guess the only skills she doesn't have are being humble or charismatic.
"good actor" In universe? I don't watch STD because I don't want to catch it. Genuinely curious to know if it's an actual trait they gave to the character.
But she's literally the main character? In this case she IS GOKU. And her confidence is justified, confidence is a good quality? I'm so confused as to why everyone hates her
@@mayananji Except Goku has to actually earn his abilities. Plus there's a lot more nuance to his character, he's ignorant, overly trusting and cocky, and it costs him
I actually feel physically ill watching this compilation. It's like watching someone's ego-driven fantasies of themselves in which they are the champion of the world and everybody loves them.
shes emotional, impulsive, reckless. she is the very opposite of anything vulcan. the idea she was brought up by sarek, in vulcan society and ended up like she is, is ridiculous.
Indeed, she would have made more logical choices. Also, she wouldn't have fell in love so fast with her boyfriend. They fell in love way to fast, in just 2 episodes they were already a thing. If she was raised as a Vulcan, that would not have happened. The writing is way off in the tv show.
I think your reasoning makes sense. However, it's possible that Michael at times acts "extra human" because she didn't learn how to control our human emotions with other humans. Vulcan couldn't teach her that - so she learned to keep up the act that she has pushed them down to a Vulcan level. In reality, her emotional growth was stunted, so as soon as she emerged from that society, she was a bit like an adult IQ wise but a teenager psychologically. Just my theory.
@@saragolightly You do a much better job trying to make sense of this shows' piss poor writing than the writers of this lousy show do. If the writers had shown that Burnham was rebelling from her strict Vulcan upbringing instead of disingenuously portraying her as a virtually perfect person, than her reckless behavior would have made sense. The show would still suck overall, but as least that one thing about it would've make sense.
if upbringing solely defined us there would be a lot less criminals in the world. upbringing factors into who we become but it's not all that is and you're being ridiculous by making this assessment.
For me this is the main thing I hate about Discovery. Star Trek has always had an ensemble cast, it was never focused on a single person, everyone had their talents and weaknesses, everyone needed help sometimes and was shown to be fallible or flawed in some way. Each character had their time in the spotlight, you learned everything about them, and grew to love them or hate them, but for the right reasons. This just isn't the case with Discovery and Burnham. I've never met a more unlikeable, egocentric, toxic character. Which is ironic really.
@@ShamrockParticle Even in the original series, it was the famous trio. Kirk Spock and Bones. Kirk is most important because he’s the captain, but Spock was arguably as important and present as a Kirk. Many people’s favorite character was Spock and for good reason. McCoy was also always present and served a good friend to Kirk and foil to Spock. Man Trap and City on the Edge of Forever stand out as great McCoy episodes. Scotty, Sulu, and Uhura had their own moments, episodes, and arcs, and even Chekov got some love in Spectre of the Gun. Kirk gets about as much focus overall as Sisko in DS9. Proportionally speaking. He is the most important character, but not the only character of importance. Picard, Janeway and other Starfleet captains often get more screentime and dedicated episodes because ether are top of the food chain. It’s their decisions that dictate the ships survival. But they were always surrounded by a large cast of important characters who had a role to serve, functionally or character wise.
So let me get this straight: Mikey Spock assaults her captain, gets said captain killed, and then starts a war. She then gets her next captain killed (who's biggest crime was that he was from the mirror universe) to save the doppleganger of her former captain, who eats people. Mikey Spock finally grows a moral backbone just in time to end the war she started. Mikey Spock is awarded for this by getting a full pardon, her record wiped clean, and given a medal. Have I missed anything?
Michael Burnham tells Ash/Voq that he should trust L'Rell, even though: L'Rell is from a Klingon House that specializes in espionage and deception; L'Rell tricked Voq into becoming her patsy, brainwashing him and completely controlling him with code words; L'Rell raped and tortured Ash/Voq for months.
"Whose biggest crime was that he was from a mirror universe". His biggest crime is that he intentionally trapped the crew in a mirror universe, which nearly lost star fleet the war. She gets honours because she managed to end the war peacefully.
If somebody wants to teach his students how not to write stuff, he can now show them Star Trek Discovery, and the students have it all stacked in one show.
She could've been such a cool character. A human raised by Vulcans. Someone balancing logic with emotion, like original spock... So much potential for conflict, the idea of nature vs nurture, living two lives... Instead we got a bad anime protagonist
Could have explored feelings of inadequacy, being unable to live up to Vulcan standards. Instead it had to be some weird equality things where humans can be just as strong and smart as Vulcans. And telepathic too?
Smarter than the Vulcans; Stronger than the Klingons; Always Correct Michael Burnham: A Star Trek Story Know what? This being the case there's only one person who can face Michael Burnham in a Death Battle: Rey.
@@reo_1907 Because they're the same issues? That neither the story nor the characters are well thought out? At least the new _Star Wars_ trilogy isn't as physically hard to watch as the new _Star Trek_ . Watching season 1 of _STD_ almost made me nauseous, there's so much movement.
@@Captain_Razor_88 The new holiday special, the so-called 'high' republic, and other new series beg to differ. And there's likely more, as LucasFilm seems to intend on milking its own flagship franchise dry.
Yeah, I have basically tuned out 20 Seconds in, at the exact moment they said she graduated at the top of her class with test scores better than any Vulcan. I'm sorry, but weren't Vulcans supposed to be hyper intelligent? That even a genius-level human couldnt compare to even an average Vulcan (if there even is such a thing)?
Yeah -- she is a human. She'd get her ass handed to her by a Vulcan. Because not only are they way smarter, they are also physically stronger. They just broke 50 years of canon.
If they had known how the audience disliked Wesley Crusher, they might have avoided this. But of course these people have no idea who Wesley Crusher even is, i betcha!
That fight scene with her against a Klingon over a foot taller than her really is terrible. She would try to block one hit from the Klingon and she'd be knocked down instantly. To do that scene right she has to be faster and more agile not blocking blows and punching
Okay, to be fair, "Way of the Warrior" from DS9 had a scene where Kira punches out three Klingons in a row. The difference between her and Mickey Spock is that she is a flawed, yet infinitely more likeable character we really cared for by that point.
@@kuribayashi84 And that scene with Kira was still stupid. In fact, they had the whole "A Team" beating up Klingons. The only one who had a chance was Worf. Or maybe Sisko, but instead of fighting with a Batleth, he should have wrestled.
@@kuribayashi84 Kira had been fighting at war since she was 13yo and rose to become a guerilla leader before the occupation of Bejor ended. Her character was built around being a physical bad-arse.
Yup. If you know anything about aikido or judo, you know that size of opponent can have very little to do with the outcome of the fight - but has everything to do with the strategy and tactics of the smaller fighter. The smaller fighter is unlikely to win by throwing straight punches. You've got to target weak points (eyes, back of knee, groin) and use your opponent's weight against them.
She's constantly depicted as being an expert in quantum physics, kung fu, logic, command, computer science, everything - and not only does she get away with constant insubordination to the point of starting wars, but she's rewarded with being second in command of a starship - twice! She also has the emotional control of a depressed teenager, which is why she cries literally every 5 minutes. The Star Trek Discovery writers must have a very low opinion of the intelligence of their viewers.
@@mayananji 1) False question because she doesn't lose someone every five minutes 2) Yes, she's depicted as a genius at literally everything in a very transparent act of political correctness, even though the actress is mediocre, it's cringe-worthy.
@@wlockhart 1) she literally loses everything in the first few episodes and she's spent her entire life suppressing her emotions. Not that people need justifiable reasons to cry but losing your captain, ship and career sounds like pretty good reasons to cry. 2) Literally the plot of season 1 is that although she is undeniably intelligent and skilled she's very rash, reckless and insubordinate. She's a soldier that's no good bc she can't follow orders. I wonder where your claim that it's all in the name of 'political correctness' is coming from though, its very common in writing that the main protagonist is just a little more extraordinary than everyone else bc the show is focused on them a bit more so we see the problems they have to solve, but I suppose you must think it's 'political correctness' bc you're seeing her as a black woman first and not the protagonist of her show. And Ms Sonequa is a phenomenal actress who manages to convey such layering emotions with just her eyes. You seem to have the emotional intelligence of a doorknob so I wouldn't be surprised that her acting goes over your head but please keep her name out of your mouth when criticising Michael Burnham - the fictional character.
In normal trek (everything before nutrek) characters with such extreme skill (with the exception of data) would need to keep it hidden for suspicion they were an augment or genetically engineered. Dr Bashir had "hide" his extreme intelligence. This show and Burnham would have been far better received had Burnham and her girly chums actually were augments with their "superior ambitions" edited out with 23rd century genetic engineering. What a waste of star trek. Just give the fans what they want a series set in the 25th century after the events of ds9 and voyager.
@@Jack_Pepsi Exactly. I mean, I like to draw short women figthing, but I include weapons to level things up, when it comes to hand-by-hand combat my poor little ladies always end up smashed on the ground, thats why fireguns, rifles, explosives, gas grenades and blades are good tools, it give you levelups to allow you to fight on another level, instead of fistfighting
Ah yes, feminism. Remember the interviews with the show writers and how they said the entire series was about this woman's journey? Not humanity's journey, since humanity can fuck off. Right? This woman is all that's important.
My criticism is that people have a strong sense of storytelling. When its sincere and when it’s an artificial propagandistic of identity politics. Discovery in my opinion is not a sincere attempt at story telling or respecting the traditions of star fleet, but instead to install their idealistic portrayals of Mary Sue Strong female woman of color diversity quota.
It's so funny that they wanted her to be the most awesome character ever but they managed to make her one of the most unlikable, irritating characters ever.
Am at EP7 of Season 1. I get why Trekkie felt offended. They created her out of nowhere and insert her into Spock's family. Spock, the poster boy of Star Trek.
Inserting her into Spock's family was likely a basic attempt at grabbing the eyes of old trek fans when the show initially came out. By Season 3 they dropped the vulcan character traits and you could no longer tell she had a Vulcan upbringing at all. They would have let her be her own character backstory if they were willing to accept less revenue.
I have always loved Star Trek and I have watched everything in the past (TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, the movies). But let me tell you: Star Trek Discovery is shit. And Michael Burnkam is a ridiculous character. Absolutely ridiculous. I have stopped watching this crap after season 1. It´s an insult.
Angela Bassett: great voice. Laetitia Wright: beautiful voice. Naomie Harris: cute voice. Sonequa Martin-Green: pressed voice, always sounds like she's running out of breath. Not pleasant to listen to.
This blatant disregard of where TOS was technologically makes my head physically hurt. Just fuck the entire canon because JJ Abrams' overblown action films are popular I guess?
"Why do people keep calling every strong female protagonist a Mary Sue?" Jeez, maybe because every "strong female protagonist" keeps getting written like a Mary Sue because flaws are considered "sexist".
So glad this horrible series is over. It should have been called The Michael Burnham Show. Aside from some great sci-fi visuals and space battles, it was a terrible show. The only good thing to come out of this was Strange New Worlds. That show is 100 times more Star Trek than this was.
The original Mary Sue was originally a half-Vulcan, half-human and youngest officer in Star Fleet. Here, we have a human woman overstepping Vulcans at being Vulcans.
isn't it ironic that most female in this shows looks tomboyish and have no appeal at all while classic trek actually look more feminine and likable as a character?
Star Trek Discovery is all kinds of awful. The actress that plays Michael Burnham is obviously a bright light with some major star quality, and Discovery will clearly serve as a launching pad for her. Jason Isaacs and Doug Jones also impress. That said, the show itself is so egregiously awful. I've just tried my best to watch seasons 1 and 2 out of some misplaced sense of loyalty to the franchise. I couldn't make it through. It's just too radical a departure, and most assuredly not for the better.
You forgot in episode 1 one of the crew mates she caused do die because she provoked a war spent his final breaths telling Michael how awesome and right she’s been.
All I can say is thank Heaven Seth McFarland decided to do a love note show to classic Star Trek--and ended up making a series well worth watching in its own right with The Orville. It's far truer to Trek than Trek is these days.
I asked Yeschat: How would a girl who grew up on Vulcan since she was 9 and heard her parents die behave? Star Trek That's the answer: To explore this intriguing scenario, let's consider how a human girl raised on Vulcan from age 9, after experiencing the trauma of hearing her parents die, might behave: Emotional control: She would likely exhibit a high degree of emotional control, having been immersed in Vulcan culture during her formative years. However, her control might not be as perfect as native Vulcans due to her human biology and early childhood on Earth. Trauma response: The loss of her parents would be a significant factor in her development. She might struggle with suppressing emotions related to this trauma more than other aspects of her life. Logical thinking: She would likely approach problems and decisions with a strong emphasis on logic, having been educated in the Vulcan way. Cultural identity: There could be an internal conflict between her human heritage and Vulcan upbringing, potentially leading to identity issues. Social interactions: She might find it challenging to relate to other humans, especially in emotional situations. Her behavior could come across as overly formal or detached. Vulcan philosophy: She would likely adhere to many Vulcan philosophical principles, such as IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) and the pursuit of knowledge. Physical adaptations: Living on Vulcan, with its higher gravity and different atmosphere, would have physical effects on her development. Language and communication: She would be fluent in Vulcan and might use more precise, literal language even when speaking other languages. Coping mechanisms: She might have developed unique coping mechanisms to deal with her trauma and the challenges of adapting to Vulcan society. Career interests: Given Vulcan's focus on science and logic, she might be drawn to scientific or analytical fields. This character would be a complex individual, balancing human emotions and experiences with Vulcan logic and cultural norms. Her behavior would likely be a unique blend of these influences, potentially creating interesting conflicts and growth opportunities in a narrative context. You can do with that information what you want. (LLAP🖖🏻)
Hahahahahahahahahahaha LITERALLY "ME...ME...ME." the perfect narrative for the millennial generation and younger LOL this is the greatest set of Clips I may have ever seen on TV I thought Brie Larson was bad but this is absolutely fantastic thank you for posting this. The only thing I can think that might be worse is Batwokeman. #Are YOU as #BATWOKE as #Batwokeman? 😆 but she has a man's name and she is also the Perfect Blend of alien species and the Perfect Blend of male and female the perfect androgynous nothing no personality just great at everything. Oh you got a jammed toilet? Michael Burnham has used two different worlds toilets and she does it better than you... move aside mere MORTAL. mere...Man. how dare you be mail and earned your role above me in status. I am a female Vulcan and the Chinese woman who can't even speak English properly is giving me an accommodation to take over a position that would essentially put me over even herself...but whoopsy what do you know the highest paid actor gets written off the show lol IN THE 1ST LIKE 3 episodes. I cannot believe people paid more money than usual on cable to get this CBS all access b******* I absolutely cannot believe it I've been watching reviews and I truly could not be paid money to sit and watch this I would think that would pretty much be torture to have to sit and watch this all day as a thinking adult with a college degree from major university. But what does education matter Michael Burnham read that in the script she can do everything and she's better at it than anyone you know in either culture Vulcan or mere earth males. Almost as much as Rey is suddenly now "all jedi's" LOL and I ain't even see that MOVIE HAHAHAHAH SRRY 4 SPOILERS BUT ITS TRASH but thank you so much this was a very good laugh
If I remember correctly, Vulcan's are like 3 times a strong as humans...There is literally no way any human, let alone a female one, could compete with a Vulcan in combat
Big Star Trek fan...but this series just dont cut it. Burnham has got to be worst cry baby emotional wreck captain ever....Thank god for Picard before this franchise goes down the toilet....gay crew doesnt help either....
Every scene is about her, they are trying too hard to portray something which has no substance and it’s backfiring. It’s also annoying and gets boring and she is always overly dramatic. It’s ridiculous.
They should have just made her a regular Vulcan (with no relation to Spock), named her M'Kel. Most of the show's problems would have been solved. It would have just been like "logical Vulcan shows humans how it's done" and no one would have consider her a Mary Sue, because Vulcan ARE shown to be much stronger and smarter than Humans in Star Trek. And people EXPECT them to be dull, dry, boring and unlikeable, yet still hyper-competent
4:14 I'll never get over that lol. She got transported while in motion, in mid-air. It bothers me that nobody else seems to think this is weird lol. It bothers me that this doesn't seem to be an issue for anyone else lol. It's a transporter, it only worked if you were still so it could transfer all your matter. Hello???
- elite scientist in multiple fields
- smartest Starfleet officer ever
- exclusive mental link to Sarek
- expert in hand to hand combat
- good nutritionist
- elite pilot
- expert strategist
- both physically strong and agile, able to beat more muscular men and even Vulcans and Klingons
- very lovable
- extremely compassionate
- good actor
- very brave
- good public speaker
- very moral, committed to Star Fleet ideals
I guess the only skills she doesn't have are being humble or charismatic.
"good actor"
In universe? I don't watch STD because I don't want to catch it. Genuinely curious to know if it's an actual trait they gave to the character.
I liked how she was so moral she committed mutiny to start a war and then got her Captain killed, all to uphold Starfleet ideals.
Sonequa is the best actress actually.
Is very very emotional, sometimes; her eyes is very profound
@@rogeriosousa9474 Her character is meant to be a Mary Sue, head to toe!
Very moral, committed to Star Fleet ideals... until she breaks them.
Saru: "She is the smartest Starfleet officer I have ever known."
Then Saru is the stupidest Starfleet officer I have ever seen.
he knows 90 Federation languages. all of which are from Earth
Never listen to anyone who has a vagina for an ear.
@@NitpickingNerd In a world where everybody have universal translator.
@@Zodroo_Tint it feels like a hobby tbh
"your confidence is justified"
That power trip writting. Sounds like a dragon ball fanfic where the hero surpases Goku.
Sounds like Dragonball in general.
But she's literally the main character? In this case she IS GOKU. And her confidence is justified, confidence is a good quality? I'm so confused as to why everyone hates her
@@mayananjiBECAUSE IT’s a character that would be thrown out of the ship in 2 days she started a war and did mutiny
@@mayananji Except Goku has to actually earn his abilities. Plus there's a lot more nuance to his character, he's ignorant, overly trusting and cocky, and it costs him
I actually feel physically ill watching this compilation. It's like watching someone's ego-driven fantasies of themselves in which they are the champion of the world and everybody loves them.
@Gas the Koopas Haha! And it was so important for you to come here to voice your disgust.
ooh man thank you that exactly what I was thinking to write
Bless your words
You know what I want the most in S4? A Q comes aboard Discovery and explicitly points out her flaws the same way he chastised Picard in TNG
@@IronSpyder-ky2lk Sure. And then he asks Michael how she enjoyed this alternate timeline, and she begs him to send her back to the real world.
She also has a middle name: Mary Sue. Michael Mary Sue Burnham.
shes emotional, impulsive, reckless. she is the very opposite of anything vulcan. the idea she was brought up by sarek, in vulcan society and ended up like she is, is ridiculous.
Indeed, she would have made more logical choices. Also, she wouldn't have fell in love so fast with her boyfriend. They fell in love way to fast, in just 2 episodes they were already a thing. If she was raised as a Vulcan, that would not have happened. The writing is way off in the tv show.
I think your reasoning makes sense. However, it's possible that Michael at times acts "extra human" because she didn't learn how to control our human emotions with other humans. Vulcan couldn't teach her that - so she learned to keep up the act that she has pushed them down to a Vulcan level. In reality, her emotional growth was stunted, so as soon as she emerged from that society, she was a bit like an adult IQ wise but a teenager psychologically. Just my theory.
@@saragolightly You do a much better job trying to make sense of this shows' piss poor writing than the writers of this lousy show do. If the writers had shown that Burnham was rebelling from her strict Vulcan upbringing instead of disingenuously portraying her as a virtually perfect person, than her reckless behavior would have made sense. The show would still suck overall, but as least that one thing about it would've make sense.
@@dannyknightblade4592 She was never portrayed as perfect. She was arrested the FIRST episode!!!!!!!
if upbringing solely defined us there would be a lot less criminals in the world. upbringing factors into who we become but it's not all that is and you're being ridiculous by making this assessment.
That is not Star Trek. That is called Garbage.
Well said
definitely
For me this is the main thing I hate about Discovery. Star Trek has always had an ensemble cast, it was never focused on a single person, everyone had their talents and weaknesses, everyone needed help sometimes and was shown to be fallible or flawed in some way. Each character had their time in the spotlight, you learned everything about them, and grew to love them or hate them, but for the right reasons.
This just isn't the case with Discovery and Burnham. I've never met a more unlikeable, egocentric, toxic character. Which is ironic really.
Apart from Kirk...?
@@ShamrockParticle Even in the original series, it was the famous trio. Kirk Spock and Bones. Kirk is most important because he’s the captain, but Spock was arguably as important and present as a Kirk. Many people’s favorite character was Spock and for good reason. McCoy was also always present and served a good friend to Kirk and foil to Spock. Man Trap and City on the Edge of Forever stand out as great McCoy episodes. Scotty, Sulu, and Uhura had their own moments, episodes, and arcs, and even Chekov got some love in Spectre of the Gun. Kirk gets about as much focus overall as Sisko in DS9. Proportionally speaking. He is the most important character, but not the only character of importance. Picard, Janeway and other Starfleet captains often get more screentime and dedicated episodes because ether are top of the food chain. It’s their decisions that dictate the ships survival. But they were always surrounded by a large cast of important characters who had a role to serve, functionally or character wise.
Absolutely!
Paula Smith predicted Burnham
That's not true. How many episodes were given to the others who weren't Captain or 1st Officer?
So let me get this straight: Mikey Spock assaults her captain, gets said captain killed, and then starts a war. She then gets her next captain killed (who's biggest crime was that he was from the mirror universe) to save the doppleganger of her former captain, who eats people. Mikey Spock finally grows a moral backbone just in time to end the war she started.
Mikey Spock is awarded for this by getting a full pardon, her record wiped clean, and given a medal. Have I missed anything?
Michael Burnham tells Ash/Voq that he should trust L'Rell, even though: L'Rell is from a Klingon House that specializes in espionage and deception; L'Rell tricked Voq into becoming her patsy, brainwashing him and completely controlling him with code words; L'Rell raped and tortured Ash/Voq for months.
Great advice, Michael. :(
@@dandeliondown6010 Michael doesn't make mistakes. If she gave that advice, she must have had good reasons that us mortals don't comprehend.
BigGator5 yeah she becomes a Marvel Superhero in Season 2
"Whose biggest crime was that he was from a mirror universe".
His biggest crime is that he intentionally trapped the crew in a mirror universe, which nearly lost star fleet the war.
She gets honours because she managed to end the war peacefully.
A girl is named Michael?
It's all Michael Burnham's galaxy and we're just livin' in it.
Chiahakwmym (3 years after the 5 year mission): I don't care about Tuvix, at all. He's been dead for years.
Wasn't sure about the whole God thing, now that we got MB I know the creator.
I spit out my coffee when I read this.
If somebody wants to teach his students how not to write stuff, he can now show them Star Trek Discovery, and the students have it all stacked in one show.
Or her students
Nah, the flashing lights would make them sick. I'd recommend The Last Jedi. It's just as flawed and much shorter.
She could've been such a cool character. A human raised by Vulcans. Someone balancing logic with emotion, like original spock... So much potential for conflict, the idea of nature vs nurture, living two lives... Instead we got a bad anime protagonist
Could have explored feelings of inadequacy, being unable to live up to Vulcan standards. Instead it had to be some weird equality things where humans can be just as strong and smart as Vulcans. And telepathic too?
Smarter than the Vulcans; Stronger than the Klingons; Always Correct
Michael Burnham: A Star Trek Story
Know what? This being the case there's only one person who can face Michael Burnham in a Death Battle:
Rey.
It‘s funny how similar the problems of today’s Star Trek and today‘s Star Wars are.
@@reo_1907 Because they're the same issues? That neither the story nor the characters are well thought out? At least the new _Star Wars_ trilogy isn't as physically hard to watch as the new _Star Trek_ . Watching season 1 of _STD_ almost made me nauseous, there's so much movement.
@@BNuts The only thing better about the new star wars over the star trek is that S"J"W is limited to three movies where as STD is at three seasons.
@@Captain_Razor_88 The new holiday special, the so-called 'high' republic, and other new series beg to differ. And there's likely more, as LucasFilm seems to intend on milking its own flagship franchise dry.
"Michael Burnham is the best at everything"
Rey: "hold my blue monster-tit milk"
Her acting range is astonishing. She can go from mildly disinterested to completely disinterested literally in the blink of an eye!
Yeah, I have basically tuned out 20 Seconds in, at the exact moment they said she graduated at the top of her class with test scores better than any Vulcan.
I'm sorry, but weren't Vulcans supposed to be hyper intelligent? That even a genius-level human couldnt compare to even an average Vulcan (if there even is such a thing)?
Yeah -- she is a human. She'd get her ass handed to her by a Vulcan. Because not only are they way smarter, they are also physically stronger. They just broke 50 years of canon.
Michael Burden.
Michael "Bedpan" Burnham. Because she's FULL of shit.
It's not Star Trek.
If they had known how the audience disliked Wesley Crusher, they might have avoided this. But of course these people have no idea who Wesley Crusher even is, i betcha!
Even Wesley was nowhere near this obnoxious.
Compared to "Michael" Wesley is an legendary tier character.
Wesley became downright tolerable as TNG went on. Infact, I really really liked "Final Mission" (the last episode where he was a regular Character)
The Bestest Starfleet Officer EVAR!!!™️
Az heel vs baby face owns that tm
It feels like this Starfleet is run by the popular girls from a high school
Got to be one of the meanest, hate filled characters in TV history.
That fight scene with her against a Klingon over a foot taller than her really is terrible. She would try to block one hit from the Klingon and she'd be knocked down instantly.
To do that scene right she has to be faster and more agile not blocking blows and punching
Okay, to be fair, "Way of the Warrior" from DS9 had a scene where Kira punches out three Klingons in a row. The difference between her and Mickey Spock is that she is a flawed, yet infinitely more likeable character we really cared for by that point.
@@kuribayashi84 And that scene with Kira was still stupid. In fact, they had the whole "A Team" beating up Klingons. The only one who had a chance was Worf.
Or maybe Sisko, but instead of fighting with a Batleth, he should have wrestled.
@@kuribayashi84 Kira had been fighting at war since she was 13yo and rose to become a guerilla leader before the occupation of Bejor ended. Her character was built around being a physical bad-arse.
@G E
Dude! No more weed for you..lol.
Yup. If you know anything about aikido or judo, you know that size of opponent can have very little to do with the outcome of the fight - but has everything to do with the strategy and tactics of the smaller fighter. The smaller fighter is unlikely to win by throwing straight punches. You've got to target weak points (eyes, back of knee, groin) and use your opponent's weight against them.
I’m glad Leonard Nimoy was not around to see what they did to his character in this show. May he rest in peace
Shitty fan theory: Micheal Burnham is a member of the Q Continuum. That's why she's the best at everything.
Honestly could be kinda cool
She's constantly depicted as being an expert in quantum physics, kung fu, logic, command, computer science, everything - and not only does she get away with constant insubordination to the point of starting wars, but she's rewarded with being second in command of a starship - twice! She also has the emotional control of a depressed teenager, which is why she cries literally every 5 minutes. The Star Trek Discovery writers must have a very low opinion of the intelligence of their viewers.
and so in your opinion expressing emotions when she is losing someone every five minutes is wrong? and the fact that she is competent is wrong?
@@mayananji 1) False question because she doesn't lose someone every five minutes 2) Yes, she's depicted as a genius at literally everything in a very transparent act of political correctness, even though the actress is mediocre, it's cringe-worthy.
@@wlockhart 1) she literally loses everything in the first few episodes and she's spent her entire life suppressing her emotions. Not that people need justifiable reasons to cry but losing your captain, ship and career sounds like pretty good reasons to cry. 2) Literally the plot of season 1 is that although she is undeniably intelligent and skilled she's very rash, reckless and insubordinate. She's a soldier that's no good bc she can't follow orders. I wonder where your claim that it's all in the name of 'political correctness' is coming from though, its very common in writing that the main protagonist is just a little more extraordinary than everyone else bc the show is focused on them a bit more so we see the problems they have to solve, but I suppose you must think it's 'political correctness' bc you're seeing her as a black woman first and not the protagonist of her show.
And Ms Sonequa is a phenomenal actress who manages to convey such layering emotions with just her eyes. You seem to have the emotional intelligence of a doorknob so I wouldn't be surprised that her acting goes over your head but please keep her name out of your mouth when criticising Michael Burnham - the fictional character.
@@mayananji Stop whinging
'Her test scores are better than any Vulcan' - jesus. these new writers have no idea how to write Star Trek
Wow, all that and she's _still_ not strong enough to carry a show...
Michael is remarkable, she is the most irritating character of all time in the most stupid sceries ever.
I am so sorry you had to watch as much of this as you did, in order to get the content. You've made a supreme sacrifice - God bless you.
Geez... well, thank you Grin for uploading this. I have gone from 99% to 100% confidence that I've missed nothing by skipping out on Discovery
This stuff is called STD, because this is the gonorrhea of the Star Trek Universe.
In normal trek (everything before nutrek) characters with such extreme skill (with the exception of data) would need to keep it hidden for suspicion they were an augment or genetically engineered. Dr Bashir had "hide" his extreme intelligence. This show and Burnham would have been far better received had Burnham and her girly chums actually were augments with their "superior ambitions" edited out with 23rd century genetic engineering. What a waste of star trek. Just give the fans what they want a series set in the 25th century after the events of ds9 and voyager.
And they balanced a guy like Bashir with actual character flaws. Arrogance that had actual consequences being one of them
The funniest part about this; the term Mary-Sue originated from a Star Trek fanfic.
Guess it all came to full circle then?
She makes the actual Mary Sue look like a well thought out character
If Sisko in his prime couldn't beat a Vulcan in a wrestling match then I have a hard time taking that fight scene seriously...
By the way, a micro WAHmen defeating several HUGE warriors by hand?, cmon... really?
Almost any big movie has that now it's so annoying. Being good at fighting doesn't ignore physics or reality :/
@@Jack_Pepsi Exactly. I mean, I like to draw short women figthing, but I include weapons to level things up, when it comes to hand-by-hand combat my poor little ladies always end up smashed on the ground, thats why fireguns, rifles, explosives, gas grenades and blades are good tools, it give you levelups to allow you to fight on another level, instead of fistfighting
Ah yes, feminism. Remember the interviews with the show writers and how they said the entire series was about this woman's journey? Not humanity's journey, since humanity can fuck off. Right? This woman is all that's important.
Diverse Female Space Jesus - Critcal Drinker
My criticism is that people have a strong sense of storytelling. When its sincere and when it’s an artificial propagandistic of identity politics. Discovery in my opinion is not a sincere attempt at story telling or respecting the traditions of star fleet, but instead to install their idealistic portrayals of Mary Sue Strong female woman of color diversity quota.
It's so funny that they wanted her to be the most awesome character ever but they managed to make her one of the most unlikable, irritating characters ever.
This just seems terrible...
Am at EP7 of Season 1. I get why Trekkie felt offended. They created her out of nowhere and insert her into Spock's family. Spock, the poster boy of Star Trek.
Inserting her into Spock's family was likely a basic attempt at grabbing the eyes of old trek fans when the show initially came out. By Season 3 they dropped the vulcan character traits and you could no longer tell she had a Vulcan upbringing at all. They would have let her be her own character backstory if they were willing to accept less revenue.
She whispers so much that when she's crying...I m constantly wondering what she's crying about
I’m cringing watching this.
Somehow managed to drag myself across the finishing line of season one and there I ditched STD for good. Burnham is sheer torture to watch.
how can she phisically beat sarek in his own mind????
God this was cringe, and everything wrong with ST these days.
I have always loved Star Trek and I have watched everything in the past (TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, the movies).
But let me tell you: Star Trek Discovery is shit.
And Michael Burnkam is a ridiculous character.
Absolutely ridiculous.
I have stopped watching this crap after season 1.
It´s an insult.
She is the Rey of Star Trek.
Angela Bassett: great voice. Laetitia Wright: beautiful voice. Naomie Harris: cute voice.
Sonequa Martin-Green: pressed voice, always sounds like she's running out of breath.
Not pleasant to listen to.
Saint Michael asked "Who is like God?"
Spock, Michael said "Me, duh."
i can't believe this but she's worse than rey in sw....at least she's humble or trys it at least...
This blatant disregard of where TOS was technologically makes my head physically hurt.
Just fuck the entire canon because JJ Abrams' overblown action films are popular I guess?
This is absolute schlock. Constant endless reassurance for someone who is supposedly so skilled and perfect? It's not reality, let alone Star Trek.
ugh! That is just like rey in star wars ? I cant stand her Burnham is such a silly charakter and you buy non of her bad emotions
"Why do people keep calling every strong female protagonist a Mary Sue?"
Jeez, maybe because every "strong female protagonist" keeps getting written like a Mary Sue because flaws are considered "sexist".
So glad this horrible series is over. It should have been called The Michael Burnham Show. Aside from some great sci-fi visuals and space battles, it was a terrible show. The only good thing to come out of this was Strange New Worlds. That show is 100 times more Star Trek than this was.
Ok.. Yeah... NO!
No Human can beat a Klingon in hand to hand Combat... Star Trek of the past never showed that because it can't happen...
The original Mary Sue was originally a half-Vulcan, half-human and youngest officer in Star Fleet. Here, we have a human woman overstepping Vulcans at being Vulcans.
Let's make sure 3 seasons of this garbage is enough. If Netflix drops them they're probably finished.
Picard being on Amazon is a good indication of how interested Netflix is in more of Kurtzman's Trek.
this is disgusting....and thats coming from ME
Can I watch the show with all these parts edited out? Nevermind, still a mystery box mess...
Commander BLM Burnham Ludicrous Michael
isn't it ironic that most female in this shows looks tomboyish and have no appeal at all while classic trek actually look more feminine and likable as a character?
I'm glad I'm not watching or paying them to watch that garbage.
Star Trek Discovery is all kinds of awful. The actress that plays Michael Burnham is obviously a bright light with some major star quality, and Discovery will clearly serve as a launching pad for her. Jason Isaacs and Doug Jones also impress. That said, the show itself is so egregiously awful. I've just tried my best to watch seasons 1 and 2 out of some misplaced sense of loyalty to the franchise. I couldn't make it through. It's just too radical a departure, and most assuredly not for the better.
What he meant to say is that she is the biggest Mary Sue I have ever know.
What would she be worth to them same to as us nothing 😭
I'll continue to watch TNG, VOY, and DS9 thanks. As well as the Orville and a little TOS. This garbage of a series is not to my liking thanks.
You forgot in episode 1 one of the crew mates she caused do die because she provoked a war spent his final breaths telling Michael how awesome and right she’s been.
All I can say is thank Heaven Seth McFarland decided to do a love note show to classic Star Trek--and ended up making a series well worth watching in its own right with The Orville. It's far truer to Trek than Trek is these days.
Makes me wish we had a Wesley Crusher series instead, less annoying.
Most woke character ever written. Star Trek writers catering to diversity BS.
I asked Yeschat: How would a girl who grew up on Vulcan since she was 9 and heard her parents die behave? Star Trek
That's the answer:
To explore this intriguing scenario, let's consider how a human girl raised on Vulcan from age 9, after experiencing the trauma of hearing her parents die, might behave:
Emotional control: She would likely exhibit a high degree of emotional control, having been immersed in Vulcan culture during her formative years. However, her control might not be as perfect as native Vulcans due to her human biology and early childhood on Earth.
Trauma response: The loss of her parents would be a significant factor in her development. She might struggle with suppressing emotions related to this trauma more than other aspects of her life.
Logical thinking: She would likely approach problems and decisions with a strong emphasis on logic, having been educated in the Vulcan way.
Cultural identity: There could be an internal conflict between her human heritage and Vulcan upbringing, potentially leading to identity issues.
Social interactions: She might find it challenging to relate to other humans, especially in emotional situations. Her behavior could come across as overly formal or detached.
Vulcan philosophy: She would likely adhere to many Vulcan philosophical principles, such as IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) and the pursuit of knowledge.
Physical adaptations: Living on Vulcan, with its higher gravity and different atmosphere, would have physical effects on her development.
Language and communication: She would be fluent in Vulcan and might use more precise, literal language even when speaking other languages.
Coping mechanisms: She might have developed unique coping mechanisms to deal with her trauma and the challenges of adapting to Vulcan society.
Career interests: Given Vulcan's focus on science and logic, she might be drawn to scientific or analytical fields.
This character would be a complex individual, balancing human emotions and experiences with Vulcan logic and cultural norms. Her behavior would likely be a unique blend of these influences, potentially creating interesting conflicts and growth opportunities in a narrative context.
You can do with that information what you want. (LLAP🖖🏻)
Woke Trek bringing STD to everyone
02:10 nobody runs like that
Hahahahahahahahahahaha LITERALLY "ME...ME...ME." the perfect narrative for the millennial generation and younger LOL this is the greatest set of Clips I may have ever seen on TV I thought Brie Larson was bad but this is absolutely fantastic thank you for posting this. The only thing I can think that might be worse is Batwokeman. #Are YOU as #BATWOKE as #Batwokeman? 😆 but she has a man's name and she is also the Perfect Blend of alien species and the Perfect Blend of male and female the perfect androgynous nothing no personality just great at everything. Oh you got a jammed toilet? Michael Burnham has used two different worlds toilets and she does it better than you... move aside mere MORTAL. mere...Man. how dare you be mail and earned your role above me in status. I am a female Vulcan and the Chinese woman who can't even speak English properly is giving me an accommodation to take over a position that would essentially put me over even herself...but whoopsy what do you know the highest paid actor gets written off the show lol IN THE 1ST LIKE 3 episodes. I cannot believe people paid more money than usual on cable to get this CBS all access b******* I absolutely cannot believe it I've been watching reviews and I truly could not be paid money to sit and watch this I would think that would pretty much be torture to have to sit and watch this all day as a thinking adult with a college degree from major university. But what does education matter Michael Burnham read that in the script she can do everything and she's better at it than anyone you know in either culture Vulcan or mere earth males. Almost as much as Rey is suddenly now "all jedi's" LOL and I ain't even see that MOVIE HAHAHAHAH SRRY 4 SPOILERS BUT ITS TRASH but thank you so much this was a very good laugh
If I remember correctly, Vulcan's are like 3 times a strong as humans...There is literally no way any human, let alone a female one, could compete with a Vulcan in combat
Surely there are 1000s of oriental Americans actors that can actually speak English they can choose from. The accent is distracting
The most Mary Sue that ever Mary Sued.
“Given the minute I spent on that ship getting my ass beat I’m the most qualified to run around setting up little tripods” hahahahahahahaha no
You can make a new video every episode.
Big Star Trek fan...but this series just dont cut it. Burnham has got to be worst cry baby emotional wreck captain ever....Thank god for Picard before this franchise goes down the toilet....gay crew doesnt help either....
"Diverse female space Jesus"
This is a lot of load of bullshit, this is not star trek, a human having higher scores than a vulcan??? Almost vomited
Every scene is about her, they are trying too hard to portray something which has no substance and it’s backfiring. It’s also annoying and gets boring and she is always overly dramatic. It’s ridiculous.
They should have just made her a regular Vulcan (with no relation to Spock), named her M'Kel. Most of the show's problems would have been solved. It would have just been like "logical Vulcan shows humans how it's done" and no one would have consider her a Mary Sue, because Vulcan ARE shown to be much stronger and smarter than Humans in Star Trek. And people EXPECT them to be dull, dry, boring and unlikeable, yet still hyper-competent
Spock wasn't boring, and neither was Tuvok, and neither of them are anywhere near as OP as Burnham.
4:14 I'll never get over that lol. She got transported while in motion, in mid-air.
It bothers me that nobody else seems to think this is weird lol. It bothers me that this doesn't seem to be an issue for anyone else lol. It's a transporter, it only worked if you were still so it could transfer all your matter. Hello???
Damn, and here I thought Wesley was bad
A HYPER-fanfic were Goku, Jesus, Ironman and Sonic praises and congrats the OC Mary Sue for being "special and unique". Pure disgust
Because of the focus on this god awful character, you barely know the names of most of the main crew....
A Giraffe is better than Saru
This is ridiculous. 😂
I thank God that I saw a meme where Q Jr created this alternate reality as the Q continuums final curse on humanity.
It’s sickening.
Wait did she really just take down a Vulcan and a Klingon in hand to hand combat? Both spieces who are far stronger than humans?
What a irritating mary sue...
Girls good. Burnham good.
Mutineer good, cannibal doppleganger good, MU Captain Lorca bad
1:15 watch out for the fatal serving tray of broccoli & carrots
Im not sorry but those are not klingons and this is nnot Startrek