Don't worry. There will be that once in a lifetime moment where a bassist will finally have a their own solo where the guitars will quiet and the drums will either follow your rhythm or be quiet as well.
It’s this way with any instrument! Band mate handed me a tambourine during a recording sesh yesterday and I spent the whole 30 minutes playing notes I didn’t even know existed. I was slapping the shit outta that tamb, bro!
Wow, it's been a while since I've seen someone write a comment along the lines of "they deserve an Oscar" and have it actually be about the acting that the person is doing. Tiktok kids have started using 'Oscar' as a placeholder for any kind of award and it spread like wildfire. "Great dancing, you deserve an Oscar!" "Great chocolate sculpting, you deserve an Oscar!" Kinda driving me insane.
@@st_orlie it depends on the music one makes and the imagination of the musicians. Those are conventional "rules" and I have given good use to high registers and chords on bass, especially in a trio situation where there is lots of space to fill.
as a bassist i have to say, yes our role is to groove, our role is to serve the song and all that stuff, but still it is a bass guitar, we are allowed to solo, we are allowed to come forward in the mix and stray some times from our role...it's ok people, we can have fun too
Exactly. In some songs there's a lot which can be played on bass but other band members being too strict about the rules and stuff they only dictate the bassist to just play "root notes" which isn't fair tbh
Soul music has a lot of interesting examples of bass players fulfilling their role perfectly while still shredding. It comes down to the musician's taste in the end
@@RaffaeleSansone yep, vulfpeck and their bassist joe dart is a good exemple of the wonderfull stuff that can happen when you give more space to the bassist to express himself.( But bass solo without funky or a groovy rythm turn out boring pretty quickly for me...^^)
I'd like to take a second to remind guitarists (and some bassists too) that bass is not just a support instrument. Bass is the foundation and the driving force of an entire song, and that means (shocking enough for shred guitarists) that if you want a song to have more energy to it, the bass has to have that same energy. So many bands end up making their bassist stick to playing the root at 8th notes or something and while that works and it will absolutely be fine in a song, it takes away from the harmonic capabilities and even more importantly the rhythmic expression that a bass player has. The more you let the bass modulate around a rhythmic idea the more interesting your songs going to be. Of course there are spaces when you need to take it back a bit and keep a low and chill groove, but in metal especially now days, bass needs to be the ocean that the rest of the band rides atop of like a boat, not a concrete slab that the rest of the band sits atop of like a house.
@@isaiahfoulidis3363 Support doesn't mean boring and unnoticeable. And bass doesn't have to always be a support instrument, it's perfectly capable of assuming the role of lead when the context calls for it. What the OP is saying is that bass is versatile, and shouldn't be forced into just one role in just one playing style, as it often is.
Agree. A good bass player can make or break a band and most people have no idea. It’s like the ground under your feet that you take for granted. It’s one of those things when listening to a band that makes you say “this band sucks/ is great, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.” A good bass player and tight drummer makes people want to dance Generally guitar players don’t make the best bass players because they lack musical theory knowledge or can’t groove. With that said there are guitars than can play bass great and bass players who can play guitar great as well.
Lovely bass line! I think bass doesn't get that much praise in certain genres and it's only relegated to a "support role". Give it its own spectrum and chance to breathe, people!
The problem is that a bass melody like this will almost always rush or drag. The bass holds the rest of the instruments in time together. So, if you start going off like this then whole rest of the band will be struggling to feel out the the beat. The reason it wasn't too atrocious here was because he was playing along to a prerecorded track.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no pro, but isn't that the reason why everyone practices and plays with a metronome? Shouldn't the drummer keep the tempo, generally speaking?
@@HasserWeissfang bass and drums work in conjunction with eachother. Bass ties together the rhythmic pulsation of the drums with chordal and melodic instruments. That's why it's unlikely you'd ever hear a guitar drum duet, they're just a bit too disparate. If you tightly practice a piece with a complex melodic bassline things can work. But, especially in a jam type situation it's just bad form.
The issue with a lot of bass solos is that the song loses a very important element when the bass starts to play higher notes in a rhythm that doesn't support the main groove. The song loses low end and groove. And that's why bass solos aren't very common. They have their place, but you can't approach it similarly as a guitar solo.
Yeah same here, I enjoy the whole thing he plays here. Almost makes me want a version of the video where the guitarist doesn’t intervene and we get to hear how far the bassist keeps going
As a guitarist who has recently started playing around with bass, this is so true … I can’t help myself. I have to stop myself from overplaying on bass.
Honestly ! the playing was so good that I never realised that the bassist went for a solo - it sounded like a proper consequence of the music. Kudos .Cheers Rudy!
I’m a guitarist and never played bass before so I really couldn’t relate. I only play guitar, but most people think I’ve never played guitar before either.
This is very terrific. From the fingering with only index and ring in the solo, to the index finger only in the bassliney intro, to the octaves only bassline, to the only one finger in the right hand.. This is so so so so great hahahahahahaha
I’ve found that my bassist and i approach put instruments completely differently and it’s really interesting to watch them play guitar. The way we approach scales and intervals is different as are the ways we construct motifs.
@@EvilBlakey rhythm, groove and percussion. Guidance for the rest of the band to stay in time along with the drummer. They also provide depth and the harmony to the composition. In a band scenario ofcourse where you are playing pop structure simple songs. Not every band is like that, there are outliers but the exceptions are not the rule.
So true Ive always played guitar. My nephew got a bass for Christmas. It was neat to try and hash out and play all the legendary bass lines Ive heard over the years. Respect the bass yall
Sometimes I actually prefer to take the bass and stick to its expected limitations so I can jam without having to fight. I lock in with the kick and put some stuff here and there to keep it interesting. I let the guitarists have their moment while I'm completely free to bring a sick groove
Hahahaha. Seen this so much with singing teachers on yt. They have amazing technique, they know everything, but somehow their original songs are horrible. Horrible songs with great singing, LOL
@@thefirst9500 Yeah. It happens so much. I think there's a number of things at work. Being good at an instrument really just takes time and effort. You 'punch the clock' and put in the time and you'll "get guid". Writing great songs however, isn't just about putting in the time, though I'm certain that you will improve as a songwriter the more songs you write. Also, I've heard the idea that the more advanced you are, the smaller your audience will be, because your music is just beyond most people. SamuraiGuitarist once said something really funny about this, and the different levels of guitar. He said that when you reach the Master Level that "congratulations, you've reached a level, where the only people interested in your music are Music Teachers and a handfull of Jazz Students". I don't particularly ascribe to this idea though, as my two favourite bands of all time are Radiohead and King Crimson, which are two bands that these "Music Theory Experts" rave about, but maybe there's something in it still, I don't know. Jacob Collier to me, mostly sounds like dog-shit, but I don't deny the guy is a spectacular instrumentalist and music theory genius. And, while Rudy is an excellent guitarist to my ears, his songs are just really fucking boring, noodly and uninteresting. (I'm not the type to come on someone's page and say they're shit, but Rudy literally roasts other musicians, so he leaves himself open to harsh criticism).
@@childofthesun32 I guess it depends on the style. But yeah, if you become extremely good at anything, the number of people who could actually appreciate what you do becomes very small. That's why there is a lot of value in making something accessible. Simplicity isn't easy, and making something super cerebral doesn't mean that it's very good. Touching other people's hearts with what you do is the real talent. I don't really know youtube guitarists, but the couple of singing teachers I watched made very bland music. This is just something else that shows us that there is more to art than pure technique. Technique should always be in service of the soul of the music. RUclips people are extremely savvy at their instrument, but it often feels like some kind of trained monkey. Inspiration, that it factor, comes from who we are as people just as much as the musical technique we refine. Technique will only carry you so far, but you have to challenge yourself to express something true.
I'll buy my first bass soon. I've never liked the "slap" and "funky" sound of basses. But I do like their deep "dark" notes. So I'll finger pick my bass just like I use to do on my guitar. Thank you for demonstrating how it could sound. Wonderful playing =)
man this is so true lmao I'm a guitarist and had to play as a bassist for a band one time and I was soloing like crazy hahaha at least the crowd enjoyed and some of them came to compliment my playing in the end of the show, they were quite shocked when I said I was not actually a bassist
so true. ive seen this a million times. although i started on bass and switched to guitar… is there a stereotypical play style for bassists that switch to guitar? if so i’d be curious to see rudy’s take on it.
As a bass player who converted from guitar to bass I strongly recommend you tape all your fingers together with duct tape. If you have any tape left over try some on your mouth.
Don't worry. There will be that once in a lifetime moment where a bassist will finally have a their own solo where the guitars will quiet and the drums will either follow your rhythm or be quiet as well.
the only reason they'll be quiet is because they are leaving in prep ffor my solo
So goes the old prophecy.
Polyphia - GOAT
@@MrHajsen OMFG I WAS GONNA SAY THE EXACT SAME THING HAHA
Orion - metallica
Great playing, keep rocking man! One day you will be able to play even 6 strings
rofl
yeah who knows
Who knows, maybe someday he will be able to play no garbage
Just joking Rudy love ya
Lmfaoooo
6 string bass, of course ;)
Honestly. This is relatable. This is me on bass. Every single damn time.
It's so hard to resist trying to tap whenever I'm holding a bass.
Me too im too guilty of this
so no band wants you? aight
It’s this way with any instrument! Band mate handed me a tambourine during a recording sesh yesterday and I spent the whole 30 minutes playing notes I didn’t even know existed. I was slapping the shit outta that tamb, bro!
This is what music is about. Not being perfect or talented but having fun and enjoying the instrument.
correction
Every instrument was/is meant to be slapped
@@jamescanjuggle so my gf's bazoongas and badonkadonk is instrument too
@@iqiyi1928 did i stutter?
@@jamescanjuggle so were all children
*records bass lines on a guitar and shifts its pitch down an octave*
jack white moment
*cough* Seven Nation army *cough*
LEGIT I USED TO DO THIS
@@AbsoluteAbsurd but guitar smol, sometimes hard to pluck the strings.
@@muhammadsyazwanbinabdulazi2891 i only did it since i didnt have a bass to record and i was tired of the shitty midi basses
That "Why are you soloing?!" deserves an oscar right there haha
True hahaha
Cuz it slaps!
Wow, it's been a while since I've seen someone write a comment along the lines of "they deserve an Oscar" and have it actually be about the acting that the person is doing. Tiktok kids have started using 'Oscar' as a placeholder for any kind of award and it spread like wildfire.
"Great dancing, you deserve an Oscar!"
"Great chocolate sculpting, you deserve an Oscar!"
Kinda driving me insane.
Almost forgot how good rudy actually is. damn.
Kinda slapped...
@@morganthem it was a bass i.j joke
nothing special
@@michatuziak3406 Crazy how no one asked. 😮💨 But someone always has to have an opinion to put down another opinion.
@@Phantomz. thats just my umm, opinion? How fucking weak do you have to be to be offended by two words lol
This is actually decent. Good job habibi
his name is add soup
Guitarists kept saying I shouldn't do chords and melodies on bass so I bought a 5 string with a high C and I'm doing even more chords and melodies.
Yeah, I just got a 4 string with a high C
@@bandobandit353 I bet you're having fun. Enjoy!
Gahahaha
Then just play guitar, high 5 strings bleed into the guitar and muddy the mix.
@@st_orlie it depends on the music one makes and the imagination of the musicians. Those are conventional "rules" and I have given good use to high registers and chords on bass, especially in a trio situation where there is lots of space to fill.
as a bassist i have to say, yes our role is to groove, our role is to serve the song and all that stuff, but still it is a bass guitar, we are allowed to solo, we are allowed to come forward in the mix and stray some times from our role...it's ok people, we can have fun too
Yeah people put too many rules on everything..
@@gsly6081 if bassist had to just serve the song, we would have no Jaco, no Wooten, no Miller....no soul actually :p
Exactly. In some songs there's a lot which can be played on bass but other band members being too strict about the rules and stuff they only dictate the bassist to just play "root notes" which isn't fair tbh
Soul music has a lot of interesting examples of bass players fulfilling their role perfectly while still shredding. It comes down to the musician's taste in the end
@@RaffaeleSansone yep, vulfpeck and their bassist joe dart is a good exemple of the wonderfull stuff that can happen when you give more space to the bassist to express himself.( But bass solo without funky or a groovy rythm turn out boring pretty quickly for me...^^)
I'd like to take a second to remind guitarists (and some bassists too) that bass is not just a support instrument. Bass is the foundation and the driving force of an entire song, and that means (shocking enough for shred guitarists) that if you want a song to have more energy to it, the bass has to have that same energy. So many bands end up making their bassist stick to playing the root at 8th notes or something and while that works and it will absolutely be fine in a song, it takes away from the harmonic capabilities and even more importantly the rhythmic expression that a bass player has. The more you let the bass modulate around a rhythmic idea the more interesting your songs going to be. Of course there are spaces when you need to take it back a bit and keep a low and chill groove, but in metal especially now days, bass needs to be the ocean that the rest of the band rides atop of like a boat, not a concrete slab that the rest of the band sits atop of like a house.
Amen and keep it funky
I guess you don't understand the definition of support.
@@isaiahfoulidis3363 Support doesn't mean boring and unnoticeable. And bass doesn't have to always be a support instrument, it's perfectly capable of assuming the role of lead when the context calls for it. What the OP is saying is that bass is versatile, and shouldn't be forced into just one role in just one playing style, as it often is.
Agree.
A good bass player can make or break a band and most people have no idea. It’s like the ground under your feet that you take for granted.
It’s one of those things when listening to a band that makes you say “this band sucks/ is great, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.”
A good bass player and tight drummer makes people want to dance
Generally guitar players don’t make the best bass players because they lack musical theory knowledge or can’t groove. With that said there are guitars than can play bass great and bass players who can play guitar great as well.
this comment made me screen and shit i can not believe people think like this i hate musicans
Lovely bass line! I think bass doesn't get that much praise in certain genres and it's only relegated to a "support role". Give it its own spectrum and chance to breathe, people!
The problem is that a bass melody like this will almost always rush or drag. The bass holds the rest of the instruments in time together. So, if you start going off like this then whole rest of the band will be struggling to feel out the the beat. The reason it wasn't too atrocious here was because he was playing along to a prerecorded track.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no pro, but isn't that the reason why everyone practices and plays with a metronome? Shouldn't the drummer keep the tempo, generally speaking?
@@HasserWeissfang bass and drums work in conjunction with eachother. Bass ties together the rhythmic pulsation of the drums with chordal and melodic instruments. That's why it's unlikely you'd ever hear a guitar drum duet, they're just a bit too disparate.
If you tightly practice a piece with a complex melodic bassline things can work. But, especially in a jam type situation it's just bad form.
honestly i wish bass had a larger role in the music i listen to. i love bass solos and being able to hear it throughout the whole song
They sound so beautiful and soothing. Like john patitucci.
Polyphia's bass section slaps man. It groves so hard on songs like death note
The issue with a lot of bass solos is that the song loses a very important element when the bass starts to play higher notes in a rhythm that doesn't support the main groove. The song loses low end and groove. And that's why bass solos aren't very common. They have their place, but you can't approach it similarly as a guitar solo.
Obscura
@@robertmessham3175 already listen, but thanks
man i loved this. if you could make this a whole solo i'd definitely listen to this
Yeah same here, I enjoy the whole thing he plays here. Almost makes me want a version of the video where the guitarist doesn’t intervene and we get to hear how far the bassist keeps going
@@sanderskogen7546 that's exactly what i want
sounds like a tiktok song
As a guitarist who has recently started playing around with bass, this is so true … I can’t help myself. I have to stop myself from overplaying on bass.
Honestly ! the playing was so good that I never realised that the bassist went for a solo - it sounded like a proper consequence of the music. Kudos .Cheers Rudy!
as a guitarist, if I ever get in a band, you can be sure that the bassist will get as much focus as me, if not more, bass deserves more recognition :D
I’m a guitarist and never played bass before so I really couldn’t relate.
I only play guitar, but most people think I’ve never played guitar before either.
lmao
As a guitarist, I can confirm. Sick playing! \m/
This is very terrific. From the fingering with only index and ring in the solo, to the index finger only in the bassliney intro, to the octaves only bassline, to the only one finger in the right hand.. This is so so so so great hahahahahahaha
I’ve found that my bassist and i approach put instruments completely differently and it’s really interesting to watch them play guitar. The way we approach scales and intervals is different as are the ways we construct motifs.
One thing I've noticed as a guitarist who occasionally plays bass is how easy it is to forget that open notes exist.
That are some real Bassists who don't understand the concept of the instrument
Btw that solo was brilliant
And what is the "concept" of bass then?
@@EvilBlakey rhythm, groove and percussion. Guidance for the rest of the band to stay in time along with the drummer. They also provide depth and the harmony to the composition. In a band scenario ofcourse where you are playing pop structure simple songs. Not every band is like that, there are outliers but the exceptions are not the rule.
@@EvilBlakey the Bass, in general, is a suport instrument, of course you can solo on it, But It all depends of the context
Yeah they gotta keep it in the pocket
Well thank fuck there are plenty of bassists who care more about what a bass CAN do, in stead of what it's "supposed" to do.
So true Ive always played guitar. My nephew got a bass for Christmas. It was neat to try and hash out and play all the legendary bass lines Ive heard over the years. Respect the bass yall
The playing nicely complemented the cat being one with the universe.
Total chillage
Sometimes I actually prefer to take the bass and stick to its expected limitations so I can jam without having to fight. I lock in with the kick and put some stuff here and there to keep it interesting. I let the guitarists have their moment while I'm completely free to bring a sick groove
how that tone? incredible... one of the best tones that i've heard... even so, a guitarist would be looking for the pick
Rudy is an excellent player and seems to have a good grasp of music theory... So I'm pretty sure his original songs will be absolute dog-shit.
😄
Murphy's Law
Hahahaha. Seen this so much with singing teachers on yt. They have amazing technique, they know everything, but somehow their original songs are horrible. Horrible songs with great singing, LOL
@@thefirst9500 Yeah. It happens so much.
I think there's a number of things at work.
Being good at an instrument really just takes time and effort. You 'punch the clock' and put in the time and you'll "get guid".
Writing great songs however, isn't just about putting in the time, though I'm certain that you will improve as a songwriter the more songs you write.
Also, I've heard the idea that the more advanced you are, the smaller your audience will be, because your music is just beyond most people.
SamuraiGuitarist once said something really funny about this, and the different levels of guitar. He said that when you reach the Master Level that "congratulations, you've reached a level, where the only people interested in your music are Music Teachers and a handfull of Jazz Students".
I don't particularly ascribe to this idea though, as my two favourite bands of all time are Radiohead and King Crimson, which are two bands that these "Music Theory Experts" rave about, but maybe there's something in it still, I don't know. Jacob Collier to me, mostly sounds like dog-shit, but I don't deny the guy is a spectacular instrumentalist and music theory genius.
And, while Rudy is an excellent guitarist to my ears, his songs are just really fucking boring, noodly and uninteresting.
(I'm not the type to come on someone's page and say they're shit, but Rudy literally roasts other musicians, so he leaves himself open to harsh criticism).
@@childofthesun32 I guess it depends on the style. But yeah, if you become extremely good at anything, the number of people who could actually appreciate what you do becomes very small. That's why there is a lot of value in making something accessible. Simplicity isn't easy, and making something super cerebral doesn't mean that it's very good. Touching other people's hearts with what you do is the real talent.
I don't really know youtube guitarists, but the couple of singing teachers I watched made very bland music. This is just something else that shows us that there is more to art than pure technique. Technique should always be in service of the soul of the music. RUclips people are extremely savvy at their instrument, but it often feels like some kind of trained monkey. Inspiration, that it factor, comes from who we are as people just as much as the musical technique we refine. Technique will only carry you so far, but you have to challenge yourself to express something true.
I feel personally attacked good sir, I was betrayed of a weird meme and got a musical masterpiece with comedy gold as side?!
This is crucial teaching moment. One MUST always repeat this moment with their bassists.
As a guitar player, I picked up a Gretch short scale electric Bass and LOVE IT
Me: Pentatonic solo
The bassist: "dAt not hOw U pLaY DA BASS !!"
cat looking like a taxidermy
Lmfao
I just wanna admire your lovely cat that looks so chill on the background :) so cute ☺nice solo too
I had that exact bass for a while, wasn't a huge fan of the pick ups after a while. You make her sing dude, that was great
Did u just assume the gender of the bass?! Pretty sure that's a male bass thou, based on the length of the rod.
As a guitarist i must say. It always feels fun even hold a bass...its like even holding it its not "work" or study just fun play.
You had to finish it with 0-3-5!!!
I have 6 days of no laughing. Now its 7 days
Bold of you to assume we play with fingers : )
The cat is having none of it
!
Davie504: *slaps along with the music with his bass*
Guitarist: "Stop soloing."
Davie504, with a gun: "NO."
Bassed
Ok but this is my most fave thing you’ve done
That was actually a pretty sick bass line. And, I am considered to be one of the bassists of the midwest region.
Is that so
Well, the midwest is a big region.
Cool, I also am considered to be one of the bassists of Europe. By that I mean I'm a bassist and I live in Europe.
@@EvilBlakey I am also one of the bassists of Europe in fact I am the only bassist in Europe that currently plays my bass... in europe
I'm big in Japan.
He actually vibin'. Nice groove.
I can confirm this is 100% accurate
Your best video yet!
Really nice, Rudy.
I'll buy my first bass soon. I've never liked the "slap" and "funky" sound of basses. But I do like their deep "dark" notes. So I'll finger pick my bass just like I use to do on my guitar. Thank you for demonstrating how it could sound. Wonderful playing =)
All jokes aside, you’re getting really good with creating nice bass parts. Very nice playing!
props to the cat chillin' in the background. my dude didn't budge.
Or "When bassists are actually allowed to play more than 1 note per measure"
please dude, make a long version of this song, all elements is soo dope!
😄 awww. I always thought bassist deserve to solo like that tho. We should appreciate them more
The bassist from décima víctima played like this, and the band became known for their bass lines
Bassist here. I know the point is that you’re overplaying, but those folks early on were actually really good.
Bro, that was genuinely good!
This is almost funny. Great Job Rudy
Probably not everyone's style but Bill Haley and his comets do a bass solo in saints rock and roll. I'm an old soul. Love that classic rock n roll.
Finally a person that actually plays a bass like a bass and doesn’t just use the top frets bottom string ALL THE TIME
I feel personally attacked
man this is so true lmao I'm a guitarist and had to play as a bassist for a band one time and I was soloing like crazy hahaha at least the crowd enjoyed and some of them came to compliment my playing in the end of the show, they were quite shocked when I said I was not actually a bassist
this line actually souunds great on bass! :D
so true. ive seen this a million times. although i started on bass and switched to guitar… is there a stereotypical play style for bassists that switch to guitar? if so i’d be curious to see rudy’s take on it.
slap the guitar 🤣🤣
That bass looks beautiful
you forgot to play with a pick
Tips for any bassist: Be the founding member of the band so you can do whatever you want.
Alternate title: When the bassist actually knows how to play their instrument.
alternate title: when bassists play bass
bass lives matter
the cat is not moving until the video ended
As a bass player who converted from guitar to bass I strongly recommend you tape all your fingers together with duct tape. If you have any tape left over try some on your mouth.
nice and calm playing, even the cat getting sleepy.
It’s obviously a guitarist because bassists only know fragments of RCHP songs.
This hit harder as someone who's trying to learn how to play bass from my rusty guitar (because I can't afford an actual bass atm).
LOL
BRO IVE BEEN LITERALLY EYEING THIS BASS FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS, GIV IT TO ME
where is the pick, guitarists cant finger da bass
Rudy - shows off bass skills
Me - nice cat loaf
That bass solo was actually fucking amazing
that tapping in the end was the cherry on top
Tbh that was one of the tastiest solos I've heard in a while.
that was hella groovy 🤩
Ooh how happy I am to see the good ol' Reaper on a famous RUclips channel
"I forgot who I was for a second" damn that hits hard
😂💯 I’ve been playing a LTD 6 for the past few years, love your tone man!
"I'm sorry I forgot who I was" that ended up sounding really deep actually ..
The "Yo, what are you doing man?" Part caught me off-guard
I'm just gonna leave these lovely two genres here.
Jazz
Funk
@0:50 "YO WHAT ARE YOU DOING MAN?!" XD lmfao
cliff burton would be proud of him
the end is the best .... hahahhahaha
Love this channel, Rudy, you are right about so much.
Yo that bass solo was FIRE
The bass is a blessing to me. Wow
You even got your cat vibing. Good job
Me picking up a bass for the first time: "how are you supposed to play chords on this giraffe of a guitar???"
Okay, the big punchline at the end made me actually lol
The cat on the desk is the icing on the cake
The bass is a peacock captain, you've gotta let it fly!
I was so hooked that I freaked out when you stopped