I really liked Lugner though, he's an interesting demon and he figured out the suppression of mana pretty much immediately once he was stricken. Which Aura had to be told about because she thought it was ridiculous lol. The 2 demons, Linie and Lugner were enjoyable.
A recurring theme in this series is not only finding joy, but finding it reflected in others. Frieren undoubtably had a very "kill all demons," centric form of training from Flamme, something she passed on to Fern (Lugner commented how Ferns "ordinary offensive magic," was in fact an especially focused demon killing version of zoltrak) but was able to still find some joy in finding new spells. When she saw how much Himmel loved her pursuit of new spells it only intensified it for her. Much like Frieren being unimpressed with the New Year's sunrise but truly loving Fern enjoying the moment, sometimes it's as much about sharing experiences with those you love as it is having them yourself.
Demons hide their mana for ambushes against lesser prey, but a mage isn't the same kind of prey. That's a rival, someone to prove your power against. Frieren is treating mages the way they treat lesser enemies, and they're shook. Flamme spent most of her life teaching Frieren that magic is a weapon, a tool to deceive and kill with. Hard to love something like that. At the end, she reminded Frieren that magic can also be a thing of wonder and joy and fun. That really sets her apart from other top mages in the setting.
I think the Demon King ordered the death of the elves because he knew an elven mage would be his greatest threat. They live so long and mana is tied so closely to length of time training that an elf would be the obvious danger to him.
Yup. Humans can get pretty damn powerful but you can just wait them out fairly easily if you can't kill them in a fight. Kinda like how Aura hid until Himmel died, though that was because he could resist her magic and not because he was a mage himself.
Spoilers: If I remember correctly, Demon King has a henchman named Schlact, a demon who can see the future. Schlacts saw the death of Demon King caused by an elven mage. Hence, demon king order to annihilate the elven village.
A demon that has the power to see thousands of years into the future told him how he would die. And it's by the hands of an Elven mage. or by the staff idk.
Almost, the Demon King ordered the death of all elves because elves were already users of magic. Remember Flamme is always referred to as the "founder of humanities magic." Humans weren't even considered to be a threat at all. Even if they had mana they didn't practice magic so were never a threat to begin with. The Demon King was just being logical, kill all elves because they are a current threat. Don't even worry about humans, they can be dealt with easily at any time since they are weak and have no magic to be worried about. If he had been aware of Flamme's strength, or that human mages could become so strong, he would have ordered his troops never to let a human mage live.
Fun fact: Frieren's earrings are made from, or at least are the same exact design as Flamme's necklace. So aside from using her mana suppression technique 24/7 she always has a physical piece of her master with her.
One detail I love is that during the flashbacks with Flamme, their clothes and the architecture are all Greco-Roman style instead of medieval like the rest of the series, because it takes place 1000 years earlier.
Yes they're doing it for a good reason but the point is, hiding your mana isn't just disrespectful and unfair toward demons but toward magic itself. You should imagine hiding your mana as the same thing as a chess grandmaster pretending that he's an amateur so that he could easily win a beginner's tournament. Even if they do it for an extremely good reason, it's disrespectful not just for their opponent but for chess itself, it makes a mockery of it. And Frieren loves magic. So it hurts her to have to make a mockery of something she loves even if it's for a very good reason.
Good analogy, i was thinking of a master musician having to perform their music at subpar level, never being able to let loose the freedom, joy and skill they worked so hard to achieve.
This episode is what made Frieren the best anime I've seen. The way 3 prior episodes all seemed to be building to epic climactic action experience, then we GOT that epic battle in the prior episode, starting this felt like time to get hard with the battle. Instead we get heavy flashbacks, introduced to the real character and thoughts of Flamme, insight into the long and lonely life of our cold elf queen, and the climax expected ends up just being a quiet conversation. Normally, expectation subverted that hard would be disappointing, yet somehow in spite of it all, the casual almost careless delivery of "git gud scrub" is the pinnacle of anime and the highpoint of the season so far. Absolutely brilliant. Loving your reactions, but still waiting for the literal throwing up. Keep it up.
Demons care about fairness here is because it isnt about demons vs humans or elves . If that was the case , they wouldnt have mind the unfairness . But here it was about the pride of being mage . It was mage vs mage . Thats why they care about fairness . A Fair battle between two mages to see who is superior , it isnt about survival at all now .
Frieren messing with Aura like that makes for real drama but I think it was done for a reason. It was said earlier that a person of strong will could resist the spell for a time. Something I'm sure Aura had up till then. Frieren didn't just break her will by exposing her true mana, she shattered it. Thus keeping her from resisting it.
It's never explained but the implication is that the Demon King wanted all elves dead because they're naturally good at magic and they live for such a long time that one of them could become powerful enough to challenge him over time, which is also why Flamme told Frieren to live in obscurity. If she never drew attention to herself as a powerful mage, she wouldn't need to worry about demons showing up to kill her all the time.
...and (arguably more importantly) so the Demon King would never see her coming. Even after fighting and winning against Aura, Frieren was still thought of as a 100 year old nobody, no real threat once the Hero was departed. Seems to me that kind of anonymity is just as useful as suppressed mana for creating overconfidence in your enemies.
Why does it feel unfair? A person disguises themselves as a disabled person to get first in line, an employee acts sick to get out of work, a child acts hurt and cries to get sympathy and get spoiled, a rich guy dresses poorly and asks for a discount, a street racer with heavily modified sleeper build lies about their horsepower to get some quick buck. Deceptions may benefit the user but still will always be negative in some way or another. Even Frieren never showed her true mana output to the hero's party. Yes it is to protect themselves, but you gotta remember, that's not their main reason. Their main reason is to "deceive" not protect. It may be beneficial, but it is still indeed unfair. In a general broader sense, it is still wrong to normalize deception. Probably why they dont tell everyone to just conceal their mana. Imagine a world of mages where everyone deceives everyone. damn i just realised it would be like cold war
hmmm i see what you're saying! i guess from what we've learned so far i'm seeing it as it not really being something that personally benefits them like in the examples you talked about i.e. disguising as disabled to get first in line, acting sick to get out of work etc - i think this episode portrayed the deception having a negative effect on frieren mentally but she does it to eradicate demons and protect others, even though on the surface it seems her personal gain is her revenge, it still has a negative effect and she's still ultimately doing it to protect others and never see a repeat of her(?) village she couldn't protect before she met flamme
Also, remember that Aura's use of the scales really (usually) isn't all that risky, because almost no one conceals their mana all the time. (It's a "disgrace," after all!) So if Aura ever did encounter someone with more mana (which she would normally be able to sense), she just wouldn't use the scales and would rely on her thrall minions. (Even here, Frieren says that she would have been in trouble if Aura had tried to overwhelm her with numbers.)
Love your reactions! Nice throwback for me because I really enjoy Flamme and Frieren backstories. Even just Frieren backstories like from ep. 9 before both Fern and Stark were in trouble, they thought of things. THIS moreso was stuff I asked for since the time I heard Flamme was her teacher/mentor. And it did not disappoint. Tricking Aura into giving in to her own sense of "pride" (that Flamme told her that's how Demons are, trickled down to Fern) and went to face her 1 on 1 after the scales.. such a grievous mistake lmao. "You don't fight fair" lol pretty sure the fight would've ended up the same if Fern flexed her mana too.
When they say "it's unfair and makes a mockery of magic" about the whole mana thing, I think you can imagine it like a boxing match or an MMA fight where a trained fighter steps into the ring for a heavyweight match and he's 250 pounds of solid muscle, and a guy steps in to fight him who looks like a scrawny 90 pound weakling, but the 90 pound kid really has super-strength (he's an alien or mutant or was bitten by a radioactive spider or whatever)... It's "not fair and makes a mockery of boxing" that the strong fighter couldn't gauge his opponent's strength by looking at him and judging his body-weight and musculature... Not fair, but it doesn't matter if the "scrawny kid" wins because he was concealing his true strength!
The "Sousou" in "Sousou no Frieren" means a funeral service. From the kanji, it's literally to send off or escort the dead to their burial. This is also the title given to her by the demons, translated as "Frieren the Slayer". Frieren said outright that she was stronger than Aura, and ground troops are pretty useless against aerial bombardment. Why, then, was Aura a troublesome opponent? Because Frieren honors the dead. She honored both Himmel's wish and the fallen soldiers, and won without further harming the soldiers. Here she was truly Sousou no Frieren. Both slayer of demons, and watcher over the soldiers' remains.
One possible reason that the demon king wanted to kill all elves is because they have a longer lifespan than demons (Aura was alive for 500 years and Frieren says that is fairly long lived for a demon, but elves live for more than 1000 years), and it has been stated that one's mana is directly correlated to their age. The demon king probably felt threatened by the idea that if all the elves teamed up to kill him they would win, since they have more mana by virtue of elves having longer lives.
You've likely figured this out now that you've watched further into the show but, the reason the Demon King wanted all elves to be killed was because the elves represented the largest threat to him. Remember that they keep referring to Flamme as the "founder of humanities magic. " This does more than just imply that she was the start/the beginning/the first teacher of human mages, it flat out states it as fact. This meant that before Flamme, human beings really had no chance of beating demons and so they were not even considered to be a threat to the Demon King. This is why the demon mages said that if Flamme put Freiren down, she would be allowed to go free. In their eyes a human wasn't even worth killing but an elf? A member of a race that could weild magic? The Demon King saw them as a direct threat and thus that race must all be wiped out. It makes perfect logical sense, the reality is that he was simply unaware of Flamme's existence or that she would one day bring magic to the human masses.
They're smurfing. That's why what they're doing is dishonorable. By suppressing their mana, they are hiding their level/rank in order to fight weaker opponents that they otherwise wouldn't get to fight due to the discrepancy in their skill level.
THAT ENDINGGGGG
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Luger: It isn't fair.
Fern: LOL die mad.
I really liked Lugner though, he's an interesting demon and he figured out the suppression of mana pretty much immediately once he was stricken. Which Aura had to be told about because she thought it was ridiculous lol. The 2 demons, Linie and Lugner were enjoyable.
A recurring theme in this series is not only finding joy, but finding it reflected in others. Frieren undoubtably had a very "kill all demons," centric form of training from Flamme, something she passed on to Fern (Lugner commented how Ferns "ordinary offensive magic," was in fact an especially focused demon killing version of zoltrak) but was able to still find some joy in finding new spells. When she saw how much Himmel loved her pursuit of new spells it only intensified it for her. Much like Frieren being unimpressed with the New Year's sunrise but truly loving Fern enjoying the moment, sometimes it's as much about sharing experiences with those you love as it is having them yourself.
Demons hide their mana for ambushes against lesser prey, but a mage isn't the same kind of prey. That's a rival, someone to prove your power against. Frieren is treating mages the way they treat lesser enemies, and they're shook.
Flamme spent most of her life teaching Frieren that magic is a weapon, a tool to deceive and kill with. Hard to love something like that. At the end, she reminded Frieren that magic can also be a thing of wonder and joy and fun. That really sets her apart from other top mages in the setting.
I think the Demon King ordered the death of the elves because he knew an elven mage would be his greatest threat. They live so long and mana is tied so closely to length of time training that an elf would be the obvious danger to him.
Yup. Humans can get pretty damn powerful but you can just wait them out fairly easily if you can't kill them in a fight. Kinda like how Aura hid until Himmel died, though that was because he could resist her magic and not because he was a mage himself.
Spoilers:
If I remember correctly, Demon King has a henchman named Schlact, a demon who can see the future. Schlacts saw the death of Demon King caused by an elven mage. Hence, demon king order to annihilate the elven village.
A demon that has the power to see thousands of years into the future told him how he would die. And it's by the hands of an Elven mage. or by the staff idk.
@@Hy3jii Where'd you get the "resist her magic" from? I've read the manga in its entirety, but I can't recall that ever being mentioned.
Almost, the Demon King ordered the death of all elves because elves were already users of magic. Remember Flamme is always referred to as the "founder of humanities magic." Humans weren't even considered to be a threat at all. Even if they had mana they didn't practice magic so were never a threat to begin with. The Demon King was just being logical, kill all elves because they are a current threat. Don't even worry about humans, they can be dealt with easily at any time since they are weak and have no magic to be worried about.
If he had been aware of Flamme's strength, or that human mages could become so strong, he would have ordered his troops never to let a human mage live.
I love the detail of Aura's hair being sliced by the sword first, as she presses it to her neck.
Fun fact: Frieren's earrings are made from, or at least are the same exact design as Flamme's necklace. So aside from using her mana suppression technique 24/7 she always has a physical piece of her master with her.
Flame has these earrings, they are not usually visible through her hair, but those are her earring.
One detail I love is that during the flashbacks with Flamme, their clothes and the architecture are all Greco-Roman style instead of medieval like the rest of the series, because it takes place 1000 years earlier.
Yes they're doing it for a good reason but the point is, hiding your mana isn't just disrespectful and unfair toward demons but toward magic itself. You should imagine hiding your mana as the same thing as a chess grandmaster pretending that he's an amateur so that he could easily win a beginner's tournament. Even if they do it for an extremely good reason, it's disrespectful not just for their opponent but for chess itself, it makes a mockery of it. And Frieren loves magic. So it hurts her to have to make a mockery of something she loves even if it's for a very good reason.
Good analogy, i was thinking of a master musician having to perform their music at subpar level, never being able to let loose the freedom, joy and skill they worked so hard to achieve.
Good old "KYS" coming in clutch.
Me waiting for the flashback of Frieren playing 100 years of league of legends to learn her one liners
This episode is what made Frieren the best anime I've seen.
The way 3 prior episodes all seemed to be building to epic climactic action experience, then we GOT that epic battle in the prior episode, starting this felt like time to get hard with the battle. Instead we get heavy flashbacks, introduced to the real character and thoughts of Flamme, insight into the long and lonely life of our cold elf queen, and the climax expected ends up just being a quiet conversation. Normally, expectation subverted that hard would be disappointing, yet somehow in spite of it all, the casual almost careless delivery of "git gud scrub" is the pinnacle of anime and the highpoint of the season so far. Absolutely brilliant.
Loving your reactions, but still waiting for the literal throwing up. Keep it up.
Demons care about fairness here is because it isnt about demons vs humans or elves . If that was the case , they wouldnt have mind the unfairness . But here it was about the pride of being mage . It was mage vs mage . Thats why they care about fairness . A Fair battle between two mages to see who is superior , it isnt about survival at all now .
Frieren messing with Aura like that makes for real drama but I think it was done for a reason. It was said earlier that a person of strong will could resist the spell for a time. Something I'm sure Aura had up till then. Frieren didn't just break her will by exposing her true mana, she shattered it. Thus keeping her from resisting it.
It's never explained but the implication is that the Demon King wanted all elves dead because they're naturally good at magic and they live for such a long time that one of them could become powerful enough to challenge him over time, which is also why Flamme told Frieren to live in obscurity. If she never drew attention to herself as a powerful mage, she wouldn't need to worry about demons showing up to kill her all the time.
...and (arguably more importantly) so the Demon King would never see her coming.
Even after fighting and winning against Aura, Frieren was still thought of as a 100 year old nobody, no real threat once the Hero was departed. Seems to me that kind of anonymity is just as useful as suppressed mana for creating overconfidence in your enemies.
Why does it feel unfair? A person disguises themselves as a disabled person to get first in line, an employee acts sick to get out of work, a child acts hurt and cries to get sympathy and get spoiled, a rich guy dresses poorly and asks for a discount, a street racer with heavily modified sleeper build lies about their horsepower to get some quick buck. Deceptions may benefit the user but still will always be negative in some way or another. Even Frieren never showed her true mana output to the hero's party.
Yes it is to protect themselves, but you gotta remember, that's not their main reason. Their main reason is to "deceive" not protect. It may be beneficial, but it is still indeed unfair.
In a general broader sense, it is still wrong to normalize deception. Probably why they dont tell everyone to just conceal their mana. Imagine a world of mages where everyone deceives everyone. damn i just realised it would be like cold war
hmmm i see what you're saying! i guess from what we've learned so far i'm seeing it as it not really being something that personally benefits them like in the examples you talked about i.e. disguising as disabled to get first in line, acting sick to get out of work etc - i think this episode portrayed the deception having a negative effect on frieren mentally but she does it to eradicate demons and protect others, even though on the surface it seems her personal gain is her revenge, it still has a negative effect and she's still ultimately doing it to protect others and never see a repeat of her(?) village she couldn't protect before she met flamme
Also, remember that Aura's use of the scales really (usually) isn't all that risky, because almost no one conceals their mana all the time. (It's a "disgrace," after all!)
So if Aura ever did encounter someone with more mana (which she would normally be able to sense), she just wouldn't use the scales and would rely on her thrall minions. (Even here, Frieren says that she would have been in trouble if Aura had tried to overwhelm her with numbers.)
Love your reactions! Nice throwback for me because I really enjoy Flamme and Frieren backstories. Even just Frieren backstories like from ep. 9 before both Fern and Stark were in trouble, they thought of things. THIS moreso was stuff I asked for since the time I heard Flamme was her teacher/mentor. And it did not disappoint. Tricking Aura into giving in to her own sense of "pride" (that Flamme told her that's how Demons are, trickled down to Fern) and went to face her 1 on 1 after the scales.. such a grievous mistake lmao.
"You don't fight fair" lol pretty sure the fight would've ended up the same if Fern flexed her mana too.
The flower spell 😢❤😢
When they say "it's unfair and makes a mockery of magic" about the whole mana thing, I think you can imagine it like a boxing match or an MMA fight where a trained fighter steps into the ring for a heavyweight match and he's 250 pounds of solid muscle, and a guy steps in to fight him who looks like a scrawny 90 pound weakling, but the 90 pound kid really has super-strength (he's an alien or mutant or was bitten by a radioactive spider or whatever)...
It's "not fair and makes a mockery of boxing" that the strong fighter couldn't gauge his opponent's strength by looking at him and judging his body-weight and musculature...
Not fair, but it doesn't matter if the "scrawny kid" wins because he was concealing his true strength!
I always laugh at the end of this episode when the ending song kicks in, "Are you alright...."
No, I don't think Aura is.
The "Sousou" in "Sousou no Frieren" means a funeral service. From the kanji, it's literally to send off or escort the dead to their burial.
This is also the title given to her by the demons, translated as "Frieren the Slayer".
Frieren said outright that she was stronger than Aura, and ground troops are pretty useless against aerial bombardment. Why, then, was Aura a troublesome opponent?
Because Frieren honors the dead. She honored both Himmel's wish and the fallen soldiers, and won without further harming the soldiers.
Here she was truly Sousou no Frieren. Both slayer of demons, and watcher over the soldiers' remains.
One possible reason that the demon king wanted to kill all elves is because they have a longer lifespan than demons (Aura was alive for 500 years and Frieren says that is fairly long lived for a demon, but elves live for more than 1000 years), and it has been stated that one's mana is directly correlated to their age. The demon king probably felt threatened by the idea that if all the elves teamed up to kill him they would win, since they have more mana by virtue of elves having longer lives.
17:33 That is what we called Gamer Move...
You've likely figured this out now that you've watched further into the show but, the reason the Demon King wanted all elves to be killed was because the elves represented the largest threat to him. Remember that they keep referring to Flamme as the "founder of humanities magic. " This does more than just imply that she was the start/the beginning/the first teacher of human mages, it flat out states it as fact. This meant that before Flamme, human beings really had no chance of beating demons and so they were not even considered to be a threat to the Demon King. This is why the demon mages said that if Flamme put Freiren down, she would be allowed to go free. In their eyes a human wasn't even worth killing but an elf? A member of a race that could weild magic? The Demon King saw them as a direct threat and thus that race must all be wiped out.
It makes perfect logical sense, the reality is that he was simply unaware of Flamme's existence or that she would one day bring magic to the human masses.
Frieren is ice cold when she needs to be 😂
Thank you for sharing 😊
I was promised literal throwing up bc Flamme's flower spell. Letsgoooo! 😂
"She must be so young here"
Well... depends. Around 200 to 500 years, i guess? ;P
They're smurfing. That's why what they're doing is dishonorable. By suppressing their mana, they are hiding their level/rank in order to fight weaker opponents that they otherwise wouldn't get to fight due to the discrepancy in their skill level.
Not to mention, demons seem to view murder like a game, and she's CHEATING at their favorite game 🤬
Cool guys don't like at explosions? More like cool guys don't look at involuntary suicides.
Flamme not flame
この人、画像を小刻みに止めてコメントをしているみたいですね。
動画をとるためとはいえ、こんな見かたをしてアニメを楽しめるのかなぁ！？
Can you continue watching mob psycho 100 and demon slayer?just asking