What if bulma krillen and gohan went to planet cereal on accident instead of namek and used their dragonballs? Would granolah turn to the good side and train with goku ?
I think the reason Granolah's hair grew could be because the dragon used almost like a hyperbolic time chamber kind of thing, which would explain why Granolah's hair grew and why his lifespan has been shortened so much, because a great amount of time has passed for him
his wish was to hyperbollic time chamber all his life away.... and he got hakai for no reason..... so its not like they are trying with him other then "spoopy good bad guy go WEEEEEEEEE I AM STRONK, ME GO PAUNCH BAD BAD GUY NOW"
One thing i can see happening is the dragon balls becoming relevant in universe. Like, if news got out that some random guy became the strongest in the universe by finding two little wish orbs? oh noooo..... if this dragon can grant wishes like that, that seems to convenient to keep around. either monaito or planet cereal are gonna have to go....
I'll be honest Masako, it's nice to see these wishes come with consequences for once, kinda bringing back the whole "be careful what you wish for" into play, its refreshing, just hope they don't drop the ball later on down the road!
Zamasu: I wanna make a wish Super Dragon: I can grant any wish Zamasu: lemme be that guy over there Super Dragon: ummm you sure you just don’t want to be the strongest character ever? Zamasu: nah Super Dragon: bruh I can grant any wish, ANYTHING and this is what you chose? Zamasu: yep Super Dragon: bruh you weird but ok
Just had a thought. If the dragonballs were used in the room of spirit and time would they function the same? Could you in theory make a wish then leave for a day the go back and make another wish?
@staris84 thats the same problem i thought about but considering the capsule tech they could bring a ship inside along with the dragon radar. You also need to think that vegeta has put out enough force to blow up the chamber. So that implies that there is an end
Honestly, GT did better on the dragonballs in every way: new lore was introduced, Shenron's speech at the end of the series was profound, and Piccolo's fusion with Kami was granted even greater weight since their original form was who created the black star balls and Piccolo's fused form effectively brought them back and added greater weight to his past and his place within the series. Piccolo is my favorite character in the series and I love having him given a greater significance to the series proper.
The biggest plot point I see coming is that both Goku and Vegeta were actively training and getting demonstrably stronger while Granolah got his wish fulfilled. Depending on how much head room the dragon gave him (and assuming Beerus and Whis don't count), he may be surprised to find that he lost his status as the strongest in the universe as quickly as he gained it... Of course he'd still be a formidable threat, but barely not enough to defeat the other two who (unknown to all three) had overtaken him again in the meantime. With that they could give Granolah the final push over the edge for him to snap fully. He sacrificed most of his life to reach his one goal in life - but yet again it's those damn saiyans who take away all he had! How dare they!? And since the Dragon Balls are useless (or so he thinks), he may then go look for more questionable means to gain more power...
Sorbet the real MVP. He got his wish on the dragonballs while literally every other member of the Frieza Force has failed throughout the series. Cheelai doesn't count, she was a traitor.
I see a silly little tidbit with the strongest in the universe wish. It didn't account for the multi-universe, where Goku, Vegeta and Freeza are clearly some of the strongest of the MULTI universe.
I'm glad to see that there's some changes being made to dragon balls. I love the monkey paw effect! It gives some more nuance to them. and honestly I like that someone finally asked to be the strongest warrior in the universe. It's always been about the fighting and the power levels etc. So someone finally had the gumption to ask for that. Not everyone wants to train and loves doing it like Goku and Vegeta. Honestly I'm a little shocked that freeza it did not ask for such a power and actually trained himself.
there's just too many dragonballs and wishes for the series to have that sense of urgency again for me. they would have to only have one set and put rules back on them, like you can't be wished back twice or something for them to become a serious plot device for me.
stop ignoring the bigger problem. he made a wish to grow in power and gained hakai for no reason at all other then to dunk on vegeta in the pebble scene
@@daytonchris8351 i also dont have a problem with his wish the problem is he got more then what he wished for and thats stupid. just to be an ass to most peoples favorite character who is 100 and 20 million % going to HATE how this person gained there power and will be a whole moment in the future "HOW DARE YOU, YOU DIDNT EARN THIS POWER SCUM" thing
@@leoneyamada5408 i mean it's not really the 1st time somebody made a wish to the dragon and got something "extra". in curse of the blood rubies the wish was to make the land peaceful and shenron extracted all the blood rubies out of the land. lol he didn't have to do that. and i don't know maybe it's just how the new dragon is. "you want to be strong? here. oh here and take this too, strong people know hakai." lol
Granolah's wish is pretty much what I hoped for: he gets to be the strongest temporarily. You get your intrigue and your balance by writing the wish with an expiration date. More consequential than what I was expecting, but I love the shock. One millionth mention: Marron tops my "wish to be a Saiyan" list. Eventually she'll be sick of watching Goten break up with every other boring Earth girl and being close to leaving the planet after high school out of sheer boredom. She would understand what he really wants but would be unable to provide it without stealing a wish.
The issue I see with the Dragonballs from earth is that at a certain point the heroes are so powerful that wishing people back is really the only thing they _could_ realistically be needed for. They were meant to be difficult to get for mere mortals, but when your heroes are practically godlike themselves to the point of destroying entire planets, that difficulty gets nullified especially when the fighting becomes the crux of the story and bigger than "what silly little mortal concern can I erase with the magic orbs" and that's when you get things like wishes like: tons of money, a few inches of height, and a minor de-aging. the states for wishes had to grow as much as the combat ability of the fighters or develop some other hiccup, and it's easier to just introduce NEW balls with different wrinkles, than to retrofit the old ones to be harder to use.
"By far the edgiest set of orbs going" Maybe the Black Star DBs used to be the edgiest, but DBH's Dark DBs have taken that title. So edgy they can even merge with villains to make them stronger.
I just realized that Toronbo’s wish wasn’t OP. A dragon’s power is equivalent to its user but the rules never said that the dragon can’t use the wisher’s latent powers to fulfill the wish.
Atleast we know the dragon balls have the power to unlock one's potential (not just make one strongest), so that could replace the Ultra Divine Water, Guru's Potential Unlock, or Elder Kai's Unlock for characters. Each dragon possibly unlocking more and more potential.
As someone who plays TTRPG's where you can get a wish granted, I wonder if people are considering the real flaw of his wish. Granolah wished to be the "strongest" fighter in the universe, not the "best" fighter. As we all know and have seen in both the manga and the show, Power isn't truly everything. If you don't have training and experience to go with it, power is nothing. He may overwhelm Goku, Vegeta, and possibly even Broly, with brute force to start with, but when all is said and done they will end up sing their unique experiences to best him in combat.
Mah... it is in the middle... for me. The balls are still just a tool for the plot and to fix things... To the point that now they're also gathered and used off-screen... The only thing that I feel counter this are the more specific wishes, like Granolah's here, narrative cheapening and flaws aside.
"What if Vegeta wished for a bigger… dragon?" *intro music plays* "Stop it! So what did you folks think? Would it have been bigger than Broly's 'dragon'? Stop it! Be sure to like and subscribe, and I'll catch you in the next video."
i really liked how gt made them have to deal with consequences. i hope they can use that aspect again somehow. reviving people and messing with life and the flow of time should have big consequences.
I picked up the manga for the first time, I'm currently reading through the morrow arc know everything that happens but it's still fun. It's my first time ever reading amonga and it's actually been quite enjoyable experience.
I feel like an honorable mention should be made on smoke shenron, the blue DragonBalls and of course, the Shadow Dragons. At the time, compared to anything that had happened in the serious, yes, even compared to the black star DragonBalls and ultimate shenron, these guys were a very creative idea, while their execution could have been better and was somewhat butchered in the end, you can't deny the idea of DragonBalls not only being the enemies for once, but also, the final enemies of series, all for the sake of misusage and their overall stagnation on wishes was very creative concept, it made us see that we had concequences to make too many wishes, and over time, if we kept going, we would eventually reach a point where they would ultimately backfire on us and end up being our downfall. Also, extra note, I love how every single shadow dragon, except Syn Shenron, had a connection to an elemental property, like how nuova shenron has fire based abilities, and ize shenron has ice based abilities, it made them feel like they were truly forces of nature, which was a really cool touch.
Didn't bulma or someone in the early parts of Dragonball mention that Earth's Dragonballs was at one point just 1 big Dragonball but was split into 7 because someone tried to steal it?
What if bulma krillen and gohan went to planet cereal on accident instead of namek and used their dragonballs? Would granolah turn to the good side and train with goku ?
I think it would be cool if we dove into the history of the dragonballs during this arc. Like, we know Namekians make dragonballs and we know the consequences, but we dont know 2 big factors which are Who did the super dragonballs come from if the balls were made, and does the Super Shenron have a negative effect like the GT saga after selfish wishes like Zamasu's and Berrus'.
With all the wishes to revive people, I'm surprised an evil henchman didn't wish for there evil master to be revived, or an evil sorcerer asking for the ultimate evil to be released on universe 7. Since the Cell Jr's are canonically alive that would be the "perfect" excuse to bring back Cell.
Regarding Shen's wish, why hasn't Old Kai wished to be separated from the witch he is Potara Fused with? He literally has the option, made it clear he wasn't happy being fused with the witch, yet he hasn't wished himself separated? As usual, Super pretends to know something interesting they've introduced, only to completely blank on it
I think the decline of the dragon balls really started in the beginning of DBZ. In Dragon Ball there was always some thing they are to oppose are heroes from gathering all seven dragon balls (Pilaf, the Red Ribbon Army etc) Jump to Z and gathering the dragon balls was something the tertiary characters could do off screen. It took the adventure out of it and made getting the dragon balls mundane
whsat dlacine it ben knwoi dbz is mroe poploe then dragonvall so no dlaalcine suepr evn mroe pole then dragonball hell heros i even mroe p[ole then dragonballs agian what dleicne jhapne say it fake dude
Like back in Z, i wished for shenron to be summoned right next to porunga when the namekians were on earth. Seeing his reactions to beerus i really want to know what they says when these dragons meet (no GT doesnt count)
Granolah's full life span is around two hundred years, and after his wish he now only has three years left. I wonder if someone like Goku or any species with a "human lifespan" were to make the same wish on this dragon, would they also have three years left? Or would their lifespan be drastically reduced to something like a mere month?
I hadn't really thought about this before, but shouldn't Universe 7's mortal level be way higher after Buu's rampage in episode 278? Since the wish to undo it was that only good people were revived.
Giving in and wishing for power would be admitting that the Monkeys are better than him, & he has to rely on a wish to keep up. He’d rather lose 1 million times than do that, because if he’s going to get revenge, he’s gonna prove just how superior he is to them by doing it.
Me: Wish to be strongest in the universe Dragon: OK but will will shorten the years of your life the more powerful you wish to be Me: I also wish for immortality Dragon: you sneaky SOB
Not to fan the flames of conspiracy, but there always needs to be a wise namekian behind each set of balls. If Super Shenron's reach is infinite, then the namekian behind the SDBs must mean either if two things: A. The creator of the SDBs must still be alive and well. Otherwise his or her dragon balls would have become inert. B. A chain of succession would have been established, following the line of Zalama himself. Like with the G.O.D.s.
given the old namekian was not happy with granola using his dragonballs the way he did, do you think he might fuse with piccolo either with the hope to become strong enough to stop granola or to provide piccolo with a new power of some sort, which maybe does not make him god level but gives him a strength boost as well as a new useful ability.
I absolutely love the usage of the Dragon Balls in Super. The biggest reason I prefer DB over Z is because Z effectively relegated the Dragon Balls into a reset button.
Here's an idea. What if Kami never made Dragon Balls? Or what if Dende saw what people did and never made Dragon Balls? If the Z Fighters knew that death was permanent (pre-Namek), how would that change the story? Or, if Li'l Green decided Earthlings were too irresponsible and never made them? Maybe people would remember King Piccolo and Buu. Maybe Namekians would be all but extinct. Maybe Pilaf and young Bulma would need to find a new line of work.
masako: one of the strongest openings me: BUT WHY DID HE GET HAKAI THO akira: MWAHAHAHA I MADE ANOTHER STRONG GUY AND GAVE HIM A BETTER HAKAI THEN VEGETA JUST TO FLEX EVEN HARDER ON VEGETA
I believe it's plausible. Toyotaro is a very big fan of the Shadow Dragons, so this might be the first step to expanding that part of the Dragon World.
@@MasakoX hope he does. I feel there needs proper consequences for over use of the dragon balls so we're not used to having them as a crutch all the time. That being said, i feel that might be more end of the series material than something that happens now
Pilaf straight up wanted to use the Dragon Balls to take over the world. Commander Red might have been stupid about it, but Staff Officer Black likely would not have been given the chance. Sure, just about every other wish aside from the handful of comical or petty ones did center around the concept of vitality with restoring age, life, or granting immortality, but folks should really go back to the roots to remember that, yeah, you really don't wanna let ambitious folk just have their way with such relics. Frieza actually getting immortality would have been terrible for the Dragon team; Him changing his mind later into something more comical does not change that fact. And dealing with Zamasu entirely wasn't exactly a cakewalk either when one of the two stole Goku's body in a way we'd normally only see Ginyu pull off (or Wheelo, assuming he had been successful somehow) while the other was practically unkillable with ease. I think that's what's been lacking for a good while in terms of the Dragon Balls overall. Not just consequences of too much wish granting in GT, which I thought was quite a fair and neat plotpoint, but someone ELSE either trying to get to them first or destroy them so the heroes could not fall back on them or use it against them to do very dastardly deeds. So OF COURSE I'm not surprised someone wished to be powerful outright, I just wondered what took so long; It's not like it was ever really off the table as far as the whole lore goes.
I guess when they made Dragon Ball more dramatic and a plot device in the first half of Z they had to make sure the villains didn’t get the Dragon Balls. Then Cell and Buu didn’t care about the Dragon Balls, nor did Beerus, Resurrection ‘F’ Frieza, Universe 6, the Potafeu, and the Watagash. The only reason why Zamasu cared is because he wanted galactical genocide, but the fact that the Super Dragon Balls can aid in such extreme genocide means that they should come with built-in consequences for the less powerful Dragon Balls (or delayed like the GT Earth Dragon Balls)
You this is something that just pop in my head while I was listening to you I know it's off topic but that dragon side granola would be the strongest asset when it comes to angels and gods of destruction so does that mean now he's stronger than jiren, Broly & Cumber if he was canon 💯🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Wait The dragonballs in the dragonball series Are becoming RELEVENT I cant believe the powerful orbs that the anime and many are named after Are relevent
Wait Bulma does WHAT to stay looking young? Comes from the richest family on Earth, has PANCHY'S genes, but has to resort to magic alien dragon wishes to look good? Damn lol. Wonder how Tights stays looking as good then. Maybe she got Mama's special code
But seriously though, in a video about the dragon balls being relevant or not, you speak of GT, and ignore that one arc where the balls were relevant the most? The final GT arc, that had those 7 evil dragons? Disappointing...
Am I misremembering, weren't the Dragon Balls used to restore Goku's power so he could finish off Majon Buu? I am only bring this up because it wasn't mentioned and I thought it was one of the more creative uses for the Balls.
it wasd never oin to end at fireza sgaa think about vegeta was stornger then piccolo if gokud ie on neamek with veeg bein eivl stel he wood kil ev oen no way wood they end it there
Oh yeah, I forgot about Dragon Balls being actually really powerful. I thought about them being just free revive cards. Quite ironic, that a show named Dragon Ball almost doesn't even try utilising the huge potential of an idea, such as Dragon Balls.
@@MasakoX, I really wish we'd get more dragons that all have their unique features. Porunga couldn't revive multiple people at once, Shenron couldn't grant 1 wish twice, and now this Dragon, who can work like a monkey's paw. Would be nice if we saw dragon, for example, who needs to be asked in a very specific manner; Or first completing a series of challenges (Apart from collecting the balls themselves); Or all wishes having an expiration date, like fairy godmother; Or being granted in a twisted and unexpected ways; Or being a member of certain race. There's just so much of potential with all those rules, which would also make Super Shenron look more powerful, because he has no such rules.
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Using magical wish granting to gain more power isn't that much different from the Cultivation Wuxia dragon ball took influence from, honestly.
What if bulma krillen and gohan went to planet cereal on accident instead of namek and used their dragonballs? Would granolah turn to the good side and train with goku ?
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I got a what if what if Goku was born with frezia’s potential
Crazy right? It's so weird for the title of the manga to be relevant to the show!!!
For real 😂
I think the reason Granolah's hair grew could be because the dragon used almost like a hyperbolic time chamber kind of thing, which would explain why Granolah's hair grew and why his lifespan has been shortened so much, because a great amount of time has passed for him
Similar to Gon in the Chimera Ant Arc in Hunter X Hunter when he fought Pitou
ok but that doesnt explain why he has hakai
I was surprised when I learned only 2 Dragon Balls can summon a Dragon.
Heh
The dragon has 2 balls in chapter 69
*Wheeze*
Yes
Yes it does
Wow real mature guys. Come on man
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Remember on the Namek Saga that Gohan, Krillin and Bulma worked so hard to get them and obtain their wish?
Oh yeah good times....
*Gohan and Krillin*
Remember when they got them in a few second during the Saiyan saga? What is your point
I try to forget because it took. So. Damn. Long.
@@caelinnis it actually took a year for them to find the dragon balls not seconds
The last thing your franchise needs is the relevancy of the titular balls to be inert.
It's either that or constructing additional pylons.
@@MasakoX AH!
Chiaotzu get away from that, you don't know where that's been
I know it's a movie only wish...
But remember when Shenron was asked to *MELT SOME ICE*
It was a massive glacier, man. Not a bunch of tiny little cubes.
Isn't dying in dragon ball a sign that shows the writers really have nothing for you
his wish was to hyperbollic time chamber all his life away.... and he got hakai for no reason..... so its not like they are trying with him other then "spoopy good bad guy go WEEEEEEEEE I AM STRONK, ME GO PAUNCH BAD BAD GUY NOW"
One thing i can see happening is the dragon balls becoming relevant in universe. Like, if news got out that some random guy became the strongest in the universe by finding two little wish orbs? oh noooo..... if this dragon can grant wishes like that, that seems to convenient to keep around. either monaito or planet cereal are gonna have to go....
ieven if ceracl you have super balls witvh have no limt to wisdh they grant so you wish for some thing
I'll be honest Masako, it's nice to see these wishes come with consequences for once, kinda bringing back the whole "be careful what you wish for" into play, its refreshing, just hope they don't drop the ball later on down the road!
Zamasu: I wanna make a wish
Super Dragon: I can grant any wish
Zamasu: lemme be that guy over there
Super Dragon: ummm you sure you just don’t want to be the strongest character ever?
Zamasu: nah
Super Dragon: bruh I can grant any wish, ANYTHING and this is what you chose?
Zamasu: yep
Super Dragon: bruh you weird but ok
To Zamasu, Goku was the strongest person in all the universes for rivaling him.
Finally The Dragon Balls Are Relevant Again
Super Kami Guru: Nail Gather The Dragon Balls And Wish For A Plasma Screen Tv
Lord Guru that would be a grievious misuse of their power.
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@@SB-xj8xj I'm about to misuse my hand upside your head.
@@lordzeno7713 dude this is a dragon, why be limited by existing tech, 32k tv with true color and pixel perfect uprezing
@@CuppaLLX or hologram tv where you can be in the show an almost interact with characters
Looking to please the fans? Look back to the beginning and what the dragon balls truly meant.
The only other person who didn't seek eternal life was demon king piccolo. He wished for his youth in order to get his strength back.
oh and what about pleif he never want to be inrtomal nor did goku black nor did jiren
bro.... his wish was to instantly get all the power he COULD HAVE attained in his life right then and there..... SO WHY HE GOT HAKAI
We need a battle of the dragons to really makes it relevant!
Just had a thought. If the dragonballs were used in the room of spirit and time would they function the same? Could you in theory make a wish then leave for a day the go back and make another wish?
@staris84 thats the same problem i thought about but considering the capsule tech they could bring a ship inside along with the dragon radar. You also need to think that vegeta has put out enough force to blow up the chamber. So that implies that there is an end
Honestly, GT did better on the dragonballs in every way: new lore was introduced, Shenron's speech at the end of the series was profound, and Piccolo's fusion with Kami was granted even greater weight since their original form was who created the black star balls and Piccolo's fused form effectively brought them back and added greater weight to his past and his place within the series. Piccolo is my favorite character in the series and I love having him given a greater significance to the series proper.
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You forgot the wish that Cheelai to wish Broly back to Safety to his planet he grew up on.
AND YOU FORGOT THIS WISH GAVE HIM HAKAI FOR NO REASON
The biggest plot point I see coming is that both Goku and Vegeta were actively training and getting demonstrably stronger while Granolah got his wish fulfilled. Depending on how much head room the dragon gave him (and assuming Beerus and Whis don't count), he may be surprised to find that he lost his status as the strongest in the universe as quickly as he gained it...
Of course he'd still be a formidable threat, but barely not enough to defeat the other two who (unknown to all three) had overtaken him again in the meantime. With that they could give Granolah the final push over the edge for him to snap fully. He sacrificed most of his life to reach his one goal in life - but yet again it's those damn saiyans who take away all he had! How dare they!?
And since the Dragon Balls are useless (or so he thinks), he may then go look for more questionable means to gain more power...
Sorbet the real MVP. He got his wish on the dragonballs while literally every other member of the Frieza Force has failed throughout the series.
Cheelai doesn't count, she was a traitor.
I see a silly little tidbit with the strongest in the universe wish. It didn't account for the multi-universe, where Goku, Vegeta and Freeza are clearly some of the strongest of the MULTI universe.
I like the direction the Granolah Arc is heading into it brings back the roots of Dragonball.
Gohan: "i didn't just do a vegeta, i wrote the damn sequel! WHAT IS THIS, GENETIC?!"
Krillin: "gohan!"
Gohan: "WHAT?!
Krillin: "drsgon balls" 🤣
I'm glad to see that there's some changes being made to dragon balls. I love the monkey paw effect! It gives some more nuance to them. and honestly I like that someone finally asked to be the strongest warrior in the universe. It's always been about the fighting and the power levels etc. So someone finally had the gumption to ask for that. Not everyone wants to train and loves doing it like Goku and Vegeta. Honestly I'm a little shocked that freeza it did not ask for such a power and actually trained himself.
there's just too many dragonballs and wishes for the series to have that sense of urgency again for me. they would have to only have one set and put rules back on them, like you can't be wished back twice or something for them to become a serious plot device for me.
stop ignoring the bigger problem. he made a wish to grow in power and gained hakai for no reason at all other then to dunk on vegeta in the pebble scene
@@leoneyamada5408 i don't have a problem with what he wished for, but yeah hakai makes no sense.
@@daytonchris8351 i also dont have a problem with his wish the problem is he got more then what he wished for and thats stupid. just to be an ass to most peoples favorite character who is 100 and 20 million % going to HATE how this person gained there power and will be a whole moment in the future
"HOW DARE YOU, YOU DIDNT EARN THIS POWER SCUM" thing
@@leoneyamada5408 i mean it's not really the 1st time somebody made a wish to the dragon and got something "extra". in curse of the blood rubies the wish was to make the land peaceful and shenron extracted all the blood rubies out of the land. lol he didn't have to do that.
and i don't know maybe it's just how the new dragon is. "you want to be strong? here. oh here and take this too, strong people know hakai." lol
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Granolah's wish is pretty much what I hoped for: he gets to be the strongest temporarily. You get your intrigue and your balance by writing the wish with an expiration date. More consequential than what I was expecting, but I love the shock.
One millionth mention: Marron tops my "wish to be a Saiyan" list. Eventually she'll be sick of watching Goten break up with every other boring Earth girl and being close to leaving the planet after high school out of sheer boredom. She would understand what he really wants but would be unable to provide it without stealing a wish.
It's nice to see dragonballs with actual consequence to their usage. Granolah's shortening his lifespan to gain immense power is fascinating
The issue I see with the Dragonballs from earth is that at a certain point the heroes are so powerful that wishing people back is really the only thing they _could_ realistically be needed for. They were meant to be difficult to get for mere mortals, but when your heroes are practically godlike themselves to the point of destroying entire planets, that difficulty gets nullified especially when the fighting becomes the crux of the story and bigger than "what silly little mortal concern can I erase with the magic orbs" and that's when you get things like wishes like: tons of money, a few inches of height, and a minor de-aging. the states for wishes had to grow as much as the combat ability of the fighters or develop some other hiccup, and it's easier to just introduce NEW balls with different wrinkles, than to retrofit the old ones to be harder to use.
"By far the edgiest set of orbs going"
Maybe the Black Star DBs used to be the edgiest, but DBH's Dark DBs have taken that title. So edgy they can even merge with villains to make them stronger.
I just realized that Toronbo’s wish wasn’t OP. A dragon’s power is equivalent to its user but the rules never said that the dragon can’t use the wisher’s latent powers to fulfill the wish.
Atleast we know the dragon balls have the power to unlock one's potential (not just make one strongest), so that could replace the Ultra Divine Water, Guru's Potential Unlock, or Elder Kai's Unlock for characters. Each dragon possibly unlocking more and more potential.
MasakoX, do you think you could do a video about how the dragonballs have been the source of trouble for the good guys as of late?
As someone who plays TTRPG's where you can get a wish granted, I wonder if people are considering the real flaw of his wish. Granolah wished to be the "strongest" fighter in the universe, not the "best" fighter. As we all know and have seen in both the manga and the show, Power isn't truly everything. If you don't have training and experience to go with it, power is nothing. He may overwhelm Goku, Vegeta, and possibly even Broly, with brute force to start with, but when all is said and done they will end up sing their unique experiences to best him in combat.
I’m glad they are!
"I want medals!"
"I want medals!"
"I want medals!"
"I want medals!"
"I want medals!"
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You get medals, but never Elder Kai or Supreme Kai
Mah... it is in the middle... for me.
The balls are still just a tool for the plot and to fix things...
To the point that now they're also gathered and used off-screen...
The only thing that I feel counter this are the more specific wishes, like Granolah's here, narrative cheapening and flaws aside.
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i really liked how gt made them have to deal with consequences. i hope they can use that aspect again somehow. reviving people and messing with life and the flow of time should have big consequences.
I picked up the manga for the first time, I'm currently reading through the morrow arc know everything that happens but it's still fun. It's my first time ever reading amonga and it's actually been quite enjoyable experience.
I feel like an honorable mention should be made on smoke shenron, the blue DragonBalls and of course, the Shadow Dragons.
At the time, compared to anything that had happened in the serious, yes, even compared to the black star DragonBalls and ultimate shenron, these guys were a very creative idea, while their execution could have been better and was somewhat butchered in the end, you can't deny the idea of DragonBalls not only being the enemies for once, but also, the final enemies of series, all for the sake of misusage and their overall stagnation on wishes was very creative concept, it made us see that we had concequences to make too many wishes, and over time, if we kept going, we would eventually reach a point where they would ultimately backfire on us and end up being our downfall.
Also, extra note, I love how every single shadow dragon, except Syn Shenron, had a connection to an elemental property, like how nuova shenron has fire based abilities, and ize shenron has ice based abilities, it made them feel like they were truly forces of nature, which was a really cool touch.
Every time Dragon Ball Super drops a chapter, there is always drama with this fan base.
Your pfp is shuisui.
@@jantheking7028 Yeah I like Shisui, I like Huey as well. I hope there is a season 5 for Boondocks
Didn't bulma or someone in the early parts of Dragonball mention that Earth's Dragonballs was at one point just 1 big Dragonball but was split into 7 because someone tried to steal it?
What if bulma krillen and gohan went to planet cereal on accident instead of namek and used their dragonballs? Would granolah turn to the good side and train with goku ?
No
Hopefully this comes back as the shadow dragon arc
I think it would be cool if we dove into the history of the dragonballs during this arc. Like, we know Namekians make dragonballs and we know the consequences, but we dont know 2 big factors which are Who did the super dragonballs come from if the balls were made, and does the Super Shenron have a negative effect like the GT saga after selfish wishes like Zamasu's and Berrus'.
Nappa: "Hey Vegeta. What does the Scouter say about the Dragon Balls' Revelant Level?"
Vegeta: "IT'S OVER 9000!!!"
With all the wishes to revive people, I'm surprised an evil henchman didn't wish for there evil master to be revived, or an evil sorcerer asking for the ultimate evil to be released on universe 7.
Since the Cell Jr's are canonically alive that would be the "perfect" excuse to bring back Cell.
Regarding Shen's wish, why hasn't Old Kai wished to be separated from the witch he is Potara Fused with?
He literally has the option, made it clear he wasn't happy being fused with the witch, yet he hasn't wished himself separated?
As usual, Super pretends to know something interesting they've introduced, only to completely blank on it
You forgot about Krillin removing 17 and 18's chest nukes
Would have been fun for him to go through the Movie wishes
I think the decline of the dragon balls really started in the beginning of DBZ. In Dragon Ball there was always some thing they are to oppose are heroes from gathering all seven dragon balls (Pilaf, the Red Ribbon Army etc)
Jump to Z and gathering the dragon balls was something the tertiary characters could do off screen. It took the adventure out of it and made getting the dragon balls mundane
whsat dlacine it ben knwoi dbz is mroe poploe then dragonvall so no dlaalcine suepr evn mroe pole then dragonball hell heros i even mroe p[ole then dragonballs agian what dleicne jhapne say it fake dude
hello masakox!!I'm a new sub
hope Zalama makes his debut soon
wait, i just realized i haven't seen the podcasts being uploaded on the channel. i had assumed they stopped. where are they putting them?
Like back in Z, i wished for shenron to be summoned right next to porunga when the namekians were on earth. Seeing his reactions to beerus i really want to know what they says when these dragons meet (no GT doesnt count)
Granolah's full life span is around two hundred years, and after his wish he now only has three years left. I wonder if someone like Goku or any species with a "human lifespan" were to make the same wish on this dragon, would they also have three years left? Or would their lifespan be drastically reduced to something like a mere month?
I hadn't really thought about this before, but shouldn't Universe 7's mortal level be way higher after Buu's rampage in episode 278? Since the wish to undo it was that only good people were revived.
I think Granolah will learn of the other dragin balls and might wish to have his normal lifeapan back.
Wouldn't it be crazy if freiza wished for this power, and maybe that's why he's not brought up in end of z?
Giving in and wishing for power would be admitting that the Monkeys are better than him, & he has to rely on a wish to keep up. He’d rather lose 1 million times than do that, because if he’s going to get revenge, he’s gonna prove just how superior he is to them by doing it.
Last time i was this early goku arrived on time
so... never?
Me: Wish to be strongest in the universe
Dragon: OK but will will shorten the years of your life the more powerful you wish to be
Me: I also wish for immortality
Dragon: you sneaky SOB
Here is something I thought off with Dragon Balls and its consequences; what if this is the signs of a connection to GT or reckoning GT?
What if idea: what if Goku knew how to grow senzu beans
Can you make a what if on “what if Vegeta was sent to earth instead of goku” if you haven’t already please?
Not to fan the flames of conspiracy, but there always needs to be a wise namekian behind each set of balls. If Super Shenron's reach is infinite, then the namekian behind the SDBs must mean either if two things:
A. The creator of the SDBs must still be alive and well. Otherwise his or her dragon balls would have become inert.
B. A chain of succession would have been established, following the line of Zalama himself. Like with the G.O.D.s.
given the old namekian was not happy with granola using his dragonballs the way he did, do you think he might fuse with piccolo either with the hope to become strong enough to stop granola or to provide piccolo with a new power of some sort, which maybe does not make him god level but gives him a strength boost as well as a new useful ability.
I absolutely love the usage of the Dragon Balls in Super. The biggest reason I prefer DB over Z is because Z effectively relegated the Dragon Balls into a reset button.
1:13... Nice 👍🏽
Here's an idea. What if Kami never made Dragon Balls? Or what if Dende saw what people did and never made Dragon Balls? If the Z Fighters knew that death was permanent (pre-Namek), how would that change the story? Or, if Li'l Green decided Earthlings were too irresponsible and never made them? Maybe people would remember King Piccolo and Buu. Maybe Namekians would be all but extinct. Maybe Pilaf and young Bulma would need to find a new line of work.
duder if kamie never dragonball then show can tbe called dragonvball
@@ssjgotenks2009 Good point. Though imagine their faces when they reach Namek and find out that wish-granting orbs are a thing.
What if Krillin was a Saiyan part 8 plz?
Is there a specific reason why the Up on the Lookout podcast isn’t posted on RUclips?
Not really. We want the podcast to be its own thing and perhaps we may upload some episodes here to help promote it.
When did you do "Up on the lookout"? I cant find it anywhere.
masako: one of the strongest openings
me: BUT WHY DID HE GET HAKAI THO
akira: MWAHAHAHA I MADE ANOTHER STRONG GUY AND GAVE HIM A BETTER HAKAI THEN VEGETA JUST TO FLEX EVEN HARDER ON VEGETA
Yes of course.
and I would like to request a
new what if.,"What if Goku
was half krypton/moon alien/
and saiyan".
You should do what if goten trunks and pan had tails
Without a doubt i say that super/toyotaro needs to implement actual consequences for overusing the dragon balls like gt did with the shadow dragons
I believe it's plausible. Toyotaro is a very big fan of the Shadow Dragons, so this might be the first step to expanding that part of the Dragon World.
@@MasakoX hope he does. I feel there needs proper consequences for over use of the dragon balls so we're not used to having them as a crutch all the time. That being said, i feel that might be more end of the series material than something that happens now
@@Tobi-cc5fc I second that.
Can't Granola wish for immortality next if he wanted too?
hello masako my friend
Pilaf straight up wanted to use the Dragon Balls to take over the world. Commander Red might have been stupid about it, but Staff Officer Black likely would not have been given the chance. Sure, just about every other wish aside from the handful of comical or petty ones did center around the concept of vitality with restoring age, life, or granting immortality, but folks should really go back to the roots to remember that, yeah, you really don't wanna let ambitious folk just have their way with such relics. Frieza actually getting immortality would have been terrible for the Dragon team; Him changing his mind later into something more comical does not change that fact.
And dealing with Zamasu entirely wasn't exactly a cakewalk either when one of the two stole Goku's body in a way we'd normally only see Ginyu pull off (or Wheelo, assuming he had been successful somehow) while the other was practically unkillable with ease. I think that's what's been lacking for a good while in terms of the Dragon Balls overall. Not just consequences of too much wish granting in GT, which I thought was quite a fair and neat plotpoint, but someone ELSE either trying to get to them first or destroy them so the heroes could not fall back on them or use it against them to do very dastardly deeds. So OF COURSE I'm not surprised someone wished to be powerful outright, I just wondered what took so long; It's not like it was ever really off the table as far as the whole lore goes.
I guess when they made Dragon Ball more dramatic and a plot device in the first half of Z they had to make sure the villains didn’t get the Dragon Balls.
Then Cell and Buu didn’t care about the Dragon Balls, nor did Beerus, Resurrection ‘F’ Frieza, Universe 6, the Potafeu, and the Watagash.
The only reason why Zamasu cared is because he wanted galactical genocide, but the fact that the Super Dragon Balls can aid in such extreme genocide means that they should come with built-in consequences for the less powerful Dragon Balls (or delayed like the GT Earth Dragon Balls)
Hey Masako, have you considered doing some JoJo what ifs to your channel alongside DB what ifs?
You this is something that just pop in my head while I was listening to you I know it's off topic but that dragon side granola would be the strongest asset when it comes to angels and gods of destruction so does that mean now he's stronger than jiren, Broly & Cumber if he was canon 💯🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Wait
The dragonballs in the dragonball series
Are becoming RELEVENT
I cant believe the powerful orbs that the anime and many are named after
Are relevent
I don't know if it's just me and my eyesight but i could not make sense of the thumbnail
4:45 after the term used on dbza...why not just call it the “reset button”?
what if Shin and Berus Fused. that could be scary
Yes the Dragon Balls are better used in Super than in Z, but GT honestly handle the Dragon Balls the best. No Cap
Wait Bulma does WHAT to stay looking young? Comes from the richest family on Earth, has PANCHY'S genes, but has to resort to magic alien dragon wishes to look good? Damn lol. Wonder how Tights stays looking as good then. Maybe she got Mama's special code
bulma never used the balls she saidf she wanted ot in borly movie not that she has befor
@@ssjgotenks2009 Yeah, I looked it up after, that makes more sense. Thanks though
But seriously though, in a video about the dragon balls being relevant or not, you speak of GT, and ignore that one arc where the balls were relevant the most?
The final GT arc, that had those 7 evil dragons?
Disappointing...
How did Porunga get so jacked anyway
Help. Didn´t Goku use Haki in the ToP?
SOMEONE REVIVE POOR KING KAI.
So if the strongest being in the universe has power level of X and then Granola wishes to be the strongest, is his power level just X+1?
Am I misremembering, weren't the Dragon Balls used to restore Goku's power so he could finish off Majon Buu? I am only bring this up because it wasn't mentioned and I thought it was one of the more creative uses for the Balls.
Plot twist: it will turn out that Whis is still stronger than Granola because he technically isn’t part of Universe 7 XD
whis is strogner then him they said he cant become strogner then gods so grnaola is weaker then beeurs and whis is strogner then beerus
Remember when Dragon Ball was supposed to end at the Freezer Saga?
Yeah look where we are now
No it wasn’t at all, it was probably suppose to end in the cell saga
it wasd never oin to end at fireza sgaa think about vegeta was stornger then piccolo if gokud ie on neamek with veeg bein eivl stel he wood kil ev oen no way wood they end it there
Oh yeah, I forgot about Dragon Balls being actually really powerful. I thought about them being just free revive cards. Quite ironic, that a show named Dragon Ball almost doesn't even try utilising the huge potential of an idea, such as Dragon Balls.
Talk to Akira about that
Thankfully it seems to improving in recent arcs.
@@MasakoX, I really wish we'd get more dragons that all have their unique features. Porunga couldn't revive multiple people at once, Shenron couldn't grant 1 wish twice, and now this Dragon, who can work like a monkey's paw.
Would be nice if we saw dragon, for example, who needs to be asked in a very specific manner; Or first completing a series of challenges (Apart from collecting the balls themselves); Or all wishes having an expiration date, like fairy godmother; Or being granted in a twisted and unexpected ways; Or being a member of certain race.
There's just so much of potential with all those rules, which would also make Super Shenron look more powerful, because he has no such rules.
I still want there to be consequences to using the Dragon Balls too much. Granolah’s wish is a step in the right direction, though
At least there is some sort of clause attached to it.
@@MasakoX Indeed