How The Leagues of Votann Remained Hidden From the Galaxy | Warhammer 40,000
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- The Leagues of Votann will soon be a major power on the galactic stage, but how did they remain hidden from the other races of the universe for so long? #warhammer #warhammer40k #warhammer40000 #warhammerlore #40klore
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In fairness to them, if I found myself in the 40K universe, I'd want to stay hidden for as long as possible too 😅
HERETIC!
we all would.
Too right!
Same I’ll love hiding and being underground and dwarves in general so I vibe with them so I’m totally starting a league army.
I would hide myself in a pleasure world.
Tyranids discovered the Leagues when the League megacorporation Deep Rock Galactic invaded the Tyranid held world of Hoxxes IV, where ancient Tyranids cut off from the Hive Mind had formed several unique strains and partially terraformed the planet
Or so I like to believe
ROCK AND STONE KIN!
ROCK AND STONE FOREVER!
FOR KARL!!
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?!?!
FOR ROCK AND STONE!
Mechanicus explore fleet :"we are receiving a message from the core."
Urist the Squat : "LISTEN HERE YA SPIKE-COCKED, TAR-EYED, PLANK-SHAPED, SEWER-ASSED RODENT ANALOGUES!..."
Mechanicus explore fleet:"let's just go somewhere else"
How do you to hurt a mechanicus's feelings? ask a squat
Ravandill's quest is a recurring guilty pleasure of mine..
@@cerocero2817 Ravandil: "The very blades of grass could be fucking whiskers for all we know"
Urist: "THIS MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
@@chuckbuck5002 "Well, just fucking KILL ME then!"
"Okay"
Being too short for any other galactic race to see them is a God tier strat.
Literally beneath notice.
To the Dataslade of grudes you go.
@@vladimirpootis3200 Tha's going in tha book!
@@vladimirpootis3200 SPACE BOOK OF GRUDGES
The odd job of 40k
I always loved the idea of one species or culture inhabiting the area near the center of the galaxy ever since I first played Spore.
I was thinking the same thing.
Hey man thanks for reminding me of spore was a great game, the stellar is before stellaris existed
Same except it was the Dark Empire comics in Star Wars for me.
The Grox were a galactic menace till I allied with them then the game was easy
I spent a long time waging war against the grox. Don't think I ever won
One quote from a 40k audio book I listened to not long ago always sticks with me:
"The imperium spans a million worlds!"
"Yes, a million worlds among untold billions."
So the fact that there are things that may have escaped their notice/aren't known to the wider imperium when they are at non stop war with massive existential threats isn't surprising to me.
Untold billions over a million worlds isn't a lot, the entire galaxy considered.
Hell, the Imperium still has not even touched all the human worlds. They have not even reached the size of the federation.
Many Once human fed worlds remain to be discovered.
The imperium was never really that massive to begin with, compared with other factions within the setting and judging by what we know of their past it's rather insignicant. And even if you were factor in only humanity in estimating how populated is the galaxy is, It doesn't amount for much or even compares to the size of the former fed.
I mean there are countless worlds the imperium still discovers that have been there since the DAOT and survived the old night, others advanced technologicaly to the degree of being capable of surviving the current state of the galaxy with all it's hostilities. DAOT humanity was all over the place that I'm inclined to belive that some of them actually managaed to leave the milky way and settled other galaxies.
"Hey, you know those skull-worshipping xenophobes with the gold fetish? Yeah, they're coming and with these doc ock wannabes want to take our STC library.
Don't worry, activate the systemwide cloaking network. Any of their ancient rustbuckets enter the perimeter, toss a white hole their way.
@Laken Anderson Well according to the Lore the Squats weren't wiped out they were just hit really hard and then the Imperium annexed their territory.
I mean, Cawl managed to hide tens of thousands of space marines, and their highly advanced equipment, for ten thousand years, despite more than one near-collapse of the Imperium.
10k years is a lot of time to grift and embezzle
No, he managed to hide MILION Astrates so close to the Terra. Imagine if he actually betrayed and used them in diffrent manner.
@@macshadow1150 where did you get that number
@Laken Anderson oh yeah, that was terrible, not going to argue with that
To be frank, there are vast swaths of Mars itself that are either complete no-go zones or have been straight up forgotten
Ork sneeze
League of Votann: That's going in the book of grudges!
You mean now the grudge database?
@@bhaswaraarizon5012 the Grudge cloud
The real reason: GW really wants us all to forget how they awkwardly brushed them off the board for decades so they're gonna pretend like they were hiding. o3o
Yeah lmao the typical trope of hiding a faction,then pretending they were there ALL ALONG
@@RAD1111able Technically they never hid them. The Squats were brushed off the board, and as stated this was a mere fraction of the actual Leagues. It was one Hold, so to speak. It's like the T'au killing a Chapter Master and thinking they killed the King of Humanity. Little did they know that there was a lot more they couldn't see!
@@grumblemore1316 Technically yeah,but it's not like the Votann themselves were a thing before.
@@RAD1111able or the fact that the Kyn (gonna be honestly I like the name change since Squats was more an insult name baseline humans gave them) are now genetically altered clones instead of naturally evolved humans.
@@grumblemore1316 right, but for about 20 or so years that was the *entire* race that got eaten. Now they're pulling a Billy Mays and saying "BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!!"
That being said, Luetin09 made a great point in one of his videos. By making it canon that the Imperium, who are essentially 40k's narrators, has extremely sh*tty long range communication GW has (Perhaps unintentionally) created a setting where a reasonable amount of stuff can be retconned and still make sense. somewhat.
Now the Leagues of Votann are going for a walk.
A very enthusiastic walk.
Vruuuuuhuuuuhuuuuum!!!!
Using the keyword *SQUATTED* to hide, making everyone think they had been removed from the lore, until the moment was right.
I've always had my own head cannon that there are still hyper advanced humans out there that are just camouflaged from everything else in the galaxy. Given how advanced they were at their height, it's silly to think that literally every human world went to ruin during the Age of Strife. Likely that entire A.I. planets exist as well just chilling somewhere or left the galaxy entirely.
By using Express VPN
They add such a lovely contrast both technologically and philosophically to the Imperium.
Showing Votann tech to an imperial guardsman would be like showing a VR headset to a Victorian child.
and yet they look like monkeys banging rocks together compared to the eldar or necrons
Space Umgi they will call them
you mean squats?
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 These days Squats are only those abhumans on Necromunda, technically, culturally, and genetically distinct (but related) to the Kin of the Leagues.
Still, it's nice that GW's brought back Squats AND made a new playable faction that goes above and beyond expectations.
Well, depending on the technology level of the planet that the guardsman came from and their actual age, the guardsman might as well be a victorian child.
I'm curious if they're resistant to the ruinous powers, or like their cousins, had some fall for chaos. Would be an interesting idea and conversion!
Well, GW's official line is that old background is never retconned, but it may not represent the whole picture, which means that, yes, Chaos Squats are a thing. Some of them sided with Chaos back in the Horus Heresy (mercenaries? Outremar Regiments which were Kin all along?) and those that fled alongside the Traitor Legions have their own holdings in the Eye of Terror.
Chaos Androids were the work of Chaos Squats, which has interesting parallels in the form of the Ironkin!
Another piece of lore I remember is Space Dwarves dont usually get psychic powers until 400 years old and it’s rare for them too live that long so, somewhat resistant.
According to the codex, the kin have a signature in the warp similar to that of the Tau, and while they use warp travel like the Imperium, their technique is different. They prefer to use multiple quick dips within the Warp and then exit. This means they attract far less attention as they are not in the warp for anywhere near as long, and they are far more likely to arrive at their destination and within an accurate time frame.
Chaos is already Overused and it would be fun if their cousins fall to other things like another New faction
I imagine a meeting between the Eldar and the Votann would go like that scene in Samurai Jack. OG's know what I mean.
What do you think of that, Mr. Pajama-Wearing, Basket-Face, Slipper-Wielding, Clype-Dreep-Bachle, Gether-Uping-Blate-Maw, Bleathering, Gomeril, Jessie, Oaf-Looking, Scooner, Nyaff, Plookie, Shan, Milk-Drinking, Soy-Faced Shilpit, Mim-Moothed, Sniveling, Worm-Eyed, Hotten-Blaugh, Vile-Stoochie, Cally-Breek-Tattie?
The space dwarves are back and they're pretty much exactly what I expected
I could buy that the squats were hidden previously from the galaxy at large, but the idea that they could be doing business with the Imperium now and the mechanicus *not* drop on them like a hammer seems absurd. The cog bois flip planets at even slight evidence of an STC and I can't imagine they haven't at least caught a whiff of the tech the dorfs are running around with.
Apparently there's notes in the book about their poor attitude toward the Mechanicus, viewing them in particular as a threat and also a fair number of notes of how they've made disappear several Imperial crusades and, presumebly, Mechanicus expeditionary fleets. But the book isn't in my hands yet so I cannot confirm.
@@DesolateDolly I'm going to go out on a limb and say that admech forces are seldom discouraged by the loss of an expedition or dozen when they're on the scent.
I guess, I'd just say that the pile of little lucky breaks the leagues require to *exist* at all, let alone thrive under the Imperium's nose, make them eye-roll worthy to me.
Imperial Crusades have attempted to invade Leagues before. They have failed.
The Squats *hate* the Admech, they try their absolute hardest to kill any techpriest who gets word of the true extent of their tech.
For their part, the Admech are not a unified political force that can just drop everything and launch a full scale invasion into the galactic core. Plus, we have direct lore the Admech believe the Squats to be entirely extinct, it's in Psychic Awakening.
It's really not some massive plothole, idk why people seem to keep acting like it is. The Imperium is besieged on all sides, they're on the defensive, if they can't muster the forces to take out the Tau, they *definitely* can't put together enough men to take on the Leagues.
It could also be possible that there are factions in the Mechanicus that are colliding with the squats to keep the rest of the tech-priests off their back in exchange for access to said technology. Belisarius Cawl's faction for example.
@@zombielizard218 If the admech, fractious they may be, believe the squats are extinct that'd be *doubly* motivating for them to be scouring the planets for tech.
I'm not saying it's a plothole; it just stretches my personal belief too far. And using the tau as a parallel isn't helping so much... The tau, however technically advanced, still represent such a tiny, tiny empire that the only reason they continue to exist is that the Imperium, Necrons, or 'nids haven't mounted any sort of real offensive against them for plot reasons. It's often cited that the Damocles crusade was so small, it was a crusade in name only. The squats work for ya? I'm glad. Enjoy 'em! They just demand too much from me to buy-in.
I actually really like The Leagues of Votann Lore so far! It's a nice way to bring back Squats
I think the real question is:
Is the Imperium capable of having allies?
Even when its in their best interests?
Any historical president?
long lived allies.... besides the mechanicus no. short lived allies yes
There are a few examples of them joining forces with the Eldar and the t’au.
One of the reasons diplomatic relations between the Eldar and Imperium are not that good was thanks to Chaos disrupting the talks. However there are some among the Imperium that even the Eldar have respect for. Apparently Gabriel Angelos of the Blood Ravens earned their respect. And when you have more moderate Imperials and the Eldar around when Chaos starts causing problems, they tend to be able to set aside their differences in the face of a common foe. Hell... I think the NECRONS allied with the Imperium during the battle of Cadia before the planet was shattered (based on stuff from Battlefleet Gothic 2).
So its not unheard of for the Imperium to have allies. Its just that the Inquisition still likes to push the Xenophobia and Human superiority. Without that, I have no doubt the Imperium would ally with the Eldar and even the T'au against Chaos and the Tyranids in a heartbeat. And that would be the absolute LAST thing Chaos wants.
@@chrisjohnson1146 Pretty sure it was just Trazyn (The Horder) that showed up when some DOOM bell rang in his collection (when it shouldn't have been able to), causing him to go to Cadia to get the bell to stop.
Necromunda makes mention of aeldari and other such delegations to the hive worlds to the point of a specific spire of Hive Primus, the Stranger's Spire, being constructed for all such off-worlders and abhuman retinues of the likes of rogue traders. The first squat in IRL years, Grendl, survived assassination specifically because he was forced to bunk here and not with the rest of the crew he served. In other areas of the galaxy there is no doubt tense but potentially efficient treaties and no-mans lands written up for temporary benefit, but of course the tagline of the setting isn't 'in the grim darkness of the far future there is only trade negotiations,' is it.
Finally we're seeing the dwarves of 40k again.
As Rogal Dorn stated: "They're called squats. No need to come up with silly comedy names for them."
I'd rather not tbh. It's kind of a boring trope to just be fantasy in space.
"The Demiurge" thats a hell of a respectful title the Tau have for them.
I love 40k because the galaxy is actually big. In many other sci fi universes you often feel that the galaxy is smaller than it really is
0:36 Meanwhile on Terra some scribe casually moves a 2 ton pile of books and exclaims "Oh, there they are!"
Since there are no good guys in 40K, what will be the League's "thing"?
They don't bother to get you off your planet before tearing it apart for resources.
I assume it's their Extreme Isolationist tendencies will have something to do with that.
Venture capitalism!
Does a being a retcon count?
From what we've seen of them, the Kin have... very little respect for ecosystems. If a Kin Brotherhood gains excavation rights on your world, they're likely to strip-mine it, and if the resulting ash clouds and seismic activity are bad for the health of anyone who didn't have the foresight to own an encounter-suit, well, they should have thought of that before signing the contract.
The leagues harnessed the most powerfull power known to the universe: The gravitational pull of PLOT-HOLES.
Leagues of Vottan, Eldar, Imperium of Man, Farsight enclave, & Trazyn would be a powerful alliance to defeat chaos.
By this point, it seems beneficial for them to work together.
There are Dwarves in 40k? Of course there are...why am I even surprised
well we do have elves and orcs
High fantasy in SPAAAAAAACE
Why not? The galaxy is extremely large. There are so many delicacies for Tyranids.
You'd be surprised to find out that the Chaos Dwarfs do also exist in 40k.
@@Tiramizur spicy biomass
the league was never hiden for the imperium just the archive were it was registred
were burned
censore
burned again
and bolt shot by a inquisitor who was keep yeling hydra domoninatus every time he do something
-historiator vallan, m42
They were busy digging a hole!
Diggy diggy hole.
When you learn Leagues of Votann = Demiurg: MIND BLOWN.
For the first time in untold aeons, the once-quiet space within the galactic core echoes with cries long left unuttered, now brought forth in this time of crisis...
ROCK AND STONE!
My first guess was they had signs spread around there territory that read 'NO SPACE DWARVES HERE'.
So... are they gonna be working with the Imperium or against it? Personally I think they Leagues of Votann would make a better industrial and technological ally than the Mechanicum simply because they’re a lot more grounded in their relationship with technology. The only issue I can think of is the AIs the leagues use. That’s a strict no bueno in the Imperium
May I ask a question?
Does the squats view the Mechanicus in a negative manner or vice versa?
@@EC23331 yes. The Leagues view the Mechanicus as backwards shamanistic engineers blundering their way through scientific endeavors. If the Mechanicus knew of the full tech-heresey of the Leagues, Mars would already have declared open war, let alone if they heard of the actual Votann ancestral machines.
@@EC23331 that's another good damned question. I doubt they're friendly honestly.
This runs into many issues.
1) The Votann don't share technology willingly and are very secular, they keep to themselves, so they would not be willing partners to the Imperium.
2) The Votann do not see technology as inherently dangerous or mysterious, so this goes against Imperial Dogma.
3) The AdMech see all non-sanctioned and vetted tech, as Heretech and any technology not directly linked to "approved" STC's is heretical and must be destroyed.
4) The AdMech have a monopoly on technology on the Imperial Market and are jealous of any interference, which they stamp out with extreme prejudice.
5) The Votann might at some point been Human (or Abhuman), but they are now considered as almost effectively Xenos. Their near-human appearance does dissuade this strict categorization, but the Imperium does not effectively consider them Human or Abhuman, but their own race, that just happens to appear equal to Humans.
Simply put, there are many reasons why it just wouldn't work, from the Imperium and Votann at the same time.
well the workshops webstore currently have them listed under xenos
Can't wait to start collecting these guys!
When the Squats go from a campy faction to one of the top 4 biggest threats to the imperium, Eldar and other ‘good’ factions
I love these videos
Please cover the Exosquad
Leagues of Votann is that something new Warhammer needed
Wow, that background music gives me flashbacks to the early days of the Institute. One of my favorite videos is your House Greyjoy video, and this music is a big part of that.
I like that at least one race was able to not get clapped by the Emperor. Like obviously for the lore of the setting we hear all about all these different and very interesting societies and races that are like "and they all get killed ten thousand years ago" it's nice that at least one abhuman group didn't just get genocided or rolled into the Imperium.
Can I get a "Rock and Stone"!
Rock and Stone in the heart!
Rock and stone will never die.
I am Votan and I'm digging a hole,
Diggy diggy hole, diggy diggy hole!
Love it this is what is needed for there to be more races in 40k
My friend and I were just talking about them before the store we worked at closed for the night last night.
they remained hidden since nobody bothered to look down a bit aside from sightings of occasional funny mohawks just coming into view from below
The Squats wherenever lost, they where just miss-filed.
Soo.. basically space dwarves?
Summary of 40K, High Fantasy in SPAAAACE!!!
Yes. Space Dwarfs. 😃
So: Space Dwarves?
*ROCK AND STONE!*
Rock and Stone, brother!
I can't wait for the Leagues to meet the son's of Russ, they'll get on like a house of fire. The fire will be theirs and the house everyone else's
Well they are squats. Which means they are very easy to miss I suppose
Over here imperial tax collector I am certain these squats owe a few centuries of back taxes...
They were overlooked.
Minor Adeptus Administratum error. Typical.
@@sczaplewski Short joke went right under ya
I can't wait for the Leagues of Votann novel!
This was such a cool exploration!
I'm so excited to see what happens in 40K
I like this theory quite a bit.
I dunno why but when they announced them coming back I thought they were here to help the Imperium.
But it is indeed more likely they have instead come to take away the other's races hold on the galaxy.
damn, new Templin drop, cool
This could've been a whole new interesting xenos race. Instead we get uninspired stunty OP Mary Sues in space. What's next, Space Skaven?
I'd love to see some videos about the Traveller RPG universe. Lots of history there to dissect.
I'm most interested how their existance might upset the delicate balance the mechanicus and the imperium have. They're a race of abhumans with fairly advanced tech which would heavily upset the mechanicus purely because the leagues have tech the mechanicus don't.
Pretty damn badass. Are they really that big
Space Dwarfs, Best Idea Ever!
They are ready to shock the galaxy of their return!
Awesome vid guys 👍😎
SQUATS HAVE RETURNED...
I think they should hide again, cos the galaxy is going to get _reaaallly_ chaotic...
wait. how do they live in the galactic core if the entire core was consumed by the Cicatrix Maledictum warp rift splitting the galaxy in two?
I love this lore. I need to get a codex!!
Lets hope the "becoming more active part i the galaxy" is realized in gales work shop giving them more models, i want to see more dark age Level tech
Yooo space dwarves finally.
They couldn't hide from the nerf bat
Administratum Clerk Bob Sponge: !Burocracy!
I always wondered why there were no dwarves in 40k i guess i was wrong
Thank you the Video and the English subtitle.
Another good day with 40k!
Now this is way better explainination. Otherwise I would just assume they are hiding, waiting for sales to drop to come out XD
Love the 40k universe
I just hope that the Chaos Squats do also make a return since the last time they had tabletop presence with rules and minis was in Rogue Trader era, and unlike their uncorrupted kin, they couldn't even make it to 2nd Edition.
There is fluff of a votann AI going insane....
I wish this video was the intro “They werent invented yet” credits
I wish they'd stuck with the space bikers vibe though. Imagine instead of another tyranid tendril space bikers on a crusade come charging in from the galactic rim
Man, Warhammer works so hard to make the galaxy feel small. Our galaxy is absurdly massive. It would be easy to hide.
Unless we can come up with a SHORT alternative word, everyone's just going to call them squats. I submit: Stouts.
Leagues of Votann?...
They're called...
SQUATS.
Ok so GW finally made the space dwarfs come back...so Space Lizardmen when???
How sick would a votann mining game/FPS be?
I wonder if there will be miniatures of them soon?
I'd like to see Templin cover the factions of Warframe.
They really just said “it’s Squattin’ time” and squatted all over the place, didn’t they.
Okay, I confess, they hid in my basement. They told me not to tell anyone and so I did.
now we just need to seek-discover the schemes of the glorious ratmen in the 40k universe for me to be truly happy
They stayed hidden by not existing before GW decided to make a new faction. We've seen this before with WoW's new continents with each expansion.
I think that the Tyranids just shat them out.
Okay cool, so there is some hope for humanity after all.
You you be willing to do some videos exploring the battle tech/mechwarrior universe?
So you're telling me that the original Squad Empire was just a Fraction of the Leagues of Votann that made themselves known while the Demiurge were yet another offshoot?
Ah. The reintroduction of the Squats.
They better not try to mine the home world of the primarchs. Especially the raven guard, iron hands and salamanders home. Killed before the battle starts, grind to dust and incinerate beyond recognition. For 40k squats are greedy and selfish. They literally the personification of"hey I saw it first" regardless if there is any life prior to them finding raw martials or minerals. Victorus Aut Mortis (Victory or Death).
We need Chaos Dwarfs here
Because big daddy warhammer wants a Christmas bonus
Intresting