Maffetone method is basically you train breathing thru nose and mouth shut. You build a bigger engine, as Dr C likes to say. He's right. You're slower at first but man you get really fast after you adapt. You are faster but it does not feel like you're working harder.
The fascinating thing is Snell took over 3hrs to do the 22mile loop initially then he got it down to about 2hrs 7min from memory. Pulse dropped heaps too to high 30s from massive left ventricle stimulus at appropriate paces.
In a lydiard based pyramidal system the 1st 10-12wks can be 90-95% zone 1 & 2 with 5-10% zone3 (1 run a wk in zone3 for about 30-60min into a 10hr run program) . Fartlek is only like 8x10sec worth so doesnt matter. So 90-95% time based can be done for 12wks with tremendous results. Cheers
@@jimw6659 I have asked BartK why he thinks 99% of world class coaches and athletes follow the zone 2 80/20 training method if he is right, and of course he did not reply. But my instinct tells me he is right. I have personally followed the 80/20 method mostly, and it worked, but it was a slow improvement. When I did bump up my faster stuff my fitness improved quicker. BUT… and I think this is the reason maybe BartK is wrong… just doing the fast stuff leads to more injuries, and this ultimately slows down your improvement overall. I am not convinced in Bart’s academic world they would have included injury in their analysis.
The approach of Bart Kay is to minimize inflammation and effective training with sufficient recovery. Many people train on too hard zone 2 and not fully recover for the next zone2 and so on; this will lead to the chronical inflammation. .... Many of the examples in this video are professional athletes, iron man... etc. and it is not comparable to normal person.
Yes it’s conflicting information as I saw another talk on here about how the guy used carbs for fuel and how he got sick. Now that that guy is low carb he has more energy and fuel than before.
No, not confused at all; I've been a "disciple" of the Maffetone method for years (Phil Maffetone as mentioned around the 6:00 mark). This is a compressed explanation of what he's learned from Maffetone, Noakes, Lydiard and many other gurus. It's actually not the conflict that some of you are perceiving in these comments. The idea is that the majority of training should keep you below your aerobic threshold. Hard efforts stress the body so should be done sparingly. This talk is not claiming hard training shouldn't be done at all. You can listen again to comments around the 10:00 mark to hear again why doing *too much* of that is harmful. Less is more.
What about shoes for trail running in ultras? Appreciate your content. Good stuff 👏. At 57, i am trying to increase my mileage and not injure myself while hitting the trails and doing a couple ultra races each yr. Thank you
If sitting around all day, get that 30 minutes zone 2 (no more than a heart rate of 180-age). If way out of shape, not even that. So, if 50, 180-50= max HR of 130. Do something that you can hold between 120 and 130. Really don’t want to be going above that 130. Messes with the plan. Different stressors calling that glucose burning up.
180 minus age is a bit generic. Best to base daily zone2 on 80-88% of lt2. Longrun 75-88% of lt2. Someone can race a 50min even effort all out after a 15min warmup (like a 10-14km race effort for many runners). Use that heartrate. For me my broader zone2 is 139-159 with a 199 true max and 181lt2. True z2 144-158bpm. Maff method id be at 128-138bpm at 42 (only zone1) vs z2.
It is a lot of stuff, i would wish for a little more enlightening science though. Type 1 and Type 2 muscle fiber. aha! isn't this not just a simplified concept to teach about muscle fiber. There is maybe no such fiber.
Really good! Thanks!
Maffetone method is basically you train breathing thru nose and mouth shut. You build a bigger engine, as Dr C likes to say. He's right. You're slower at first but man you get really fast after you adapt. You are faster but it does not feel like you're working harder.
Any one know we're to find the full presentation (has he presented it without being cut off) or if the slide package available any were?
Always such an enthusiast for health. Health over fitness, health over fads, over hacks, overall.
Im almost doing in zone 3 running what i was doing in zone 4 six months ago, and more of it.
Amazing talk
The fascinating thing is Snell took over 3hrs to do the 22mile loop initially then he got it down to about 2hrs 7min from memory. Pulse dropped heaps too to high 30s from massive left ventricle stimulus at appropriate paces.
slides around minute 17:00 reminds me of what Peter Attia has been focusing on in recent years.
In a lydiard based pyramidal system the 1st 10-12wks can be 90-95% zone 1 & 2 with 5-10% zone3 (1 run a wk in zone3 for about 30-60min into a 10hr run program) . Fartlek is only like 8x10sec worth so doesnt matter. So 90-95% time based can be done for 12wks with tremendous results. Cheers
Is anyone else confused between this approach and the very firm belief in *just* hard training by Bart Kay? Any views on who is right?
Me too! From Dr. Berry and others, I’m reading it as work on a decent level of basic health and fitness, then go for high intensity interval training.
@@jimw6659 I have asked BartK why he thinks 99% of world class coaches and athletes follow the zone 2 80/20 training method if he is right, and of course he did not reply. But my instinct tells me he is right. I have personally followed the 80/20 method mostly, and it worked, but it was a slow improvement. When I did bump up my faster stuff my fitness improved quicker. BUT… and I think this is the reason maybe BartK is wrong… just doing the fast stuff leads to more injuries, and this ultimately slows down your improvement overall. I am not convinced in Bart’s academic world they would have included injury in their analysis.
The approach of Bart Kay is to minimize inflammation and effective training with sufficient recovery. Many people train on too hard zone 2 and not fully recover for the next zone2 and so on; this will lead to the chronical inflammation. .... Many of the examples in this video are professional athletes, iron man... etc. and it is not comparable to normal person.
Yes it’s conflicting information as I saw another talk on here about how the guy used carbs for fuel and how he got sick.
Now that that guy is low carb he has more energy and fuel than before.
No, not confused at all; I've been a "disciple" of the Maffetone method for years (Phil Maffetone as mentioned around the 6:00 mark). This is a compressed explanation of what he's learned from Maffetone, Noakes, Lydiard and many other gurus. It's actually not the conflict that some of you are perceiving in these comments. The idea is that the majority of training should keep you below your aerobic threshold. Hard efforts stress the body so should be done sparingly. This talk is not claiming hard training shouldn't be done at all. You can listen again to comments around the 10:00 mark to hear again why doing *too much* of that is harmful. Less is more.
What about shoes for trail running in ultras? Appreciate your content. Good stuff 👏. At 57, i am trying to increase my mileage and not injure myself while hitting the trails and doing a couple ultra races each yr. Thank you
Yes if have a body u r an athlete
If sitting around all day, get that 30 minutes zone 2 (no more than a heart rate of 180-age). If way out of shape, not even that. So, if 50, 180-50= max HR of 130. Do something that you can hold between 120 and 130. Really don’t want to be going above that 130. Messes with the plan. Different stressors calling that glucose burning up.
180 minus age is a bit generic. Best to base daily zone2 on 80-88% of lt2. Longrun 75-88% of lt2. Someone can race a 50min even effort all out after a 15min warmup (like a 10-14km race effort for many runners). Use that heartrate. For me my broader zone2 is 139-159 with a 199 true max and 181lt2. True z2 144-158bpm.
Maff method id be at 128-138bpm at 42 (only zone1) vs z2.
U don’t train the heart u in plug the pipes. Heart gets stronger or it works less to get the blood back to the heart after sending it out??
I'm starting to think you can't have strength and hypertrophy and zone 2 simultaneously.
Everyone is making 'zone2" videos now😅
"Promosm" 💞
It is a lot of stuff, i would wish for a little more enlightening science though. Type 1 and Type 2 muscle fiber. aha! isn't this not just a simplified concept to teach about muscle fiber. There is maybe no such fiber.