How Does Midjourney Work? Exploring Ai Generated Art
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- UPDATE 12.13.22: I haven't used Midjourney in like 4 months as I don't agree with the ethics and the way it's been handling art theft in the community. I was hopeful at one point but now I am choosing not to use it moving forward.
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Ai Generated Art is sweeping the art world and casting a clear divide in the sand. It seems artists either love it for it’s vast inspiration and possibilities or hate it for it’s elimination of the process and soul. So I created this video to help those curious about this subject better understand what it is, how it works, and what are the fears/concerns. I have had a range of emotions thinking about Ai art and then testing out Midjourney for myself. This is still so very new to our art community and I’m sure further discussions and thoughts will be had on this! For now, these are my thoughts on it and
I would love to hear your opinions on Ai Art generators and what you feel is a pro/con about this n the comments!
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0:00 Intro
0:46 What is Ai Art?
2:10 Midjourney Example
8:00 First Thoughts
8:50 Defining Art
9:54 3 Biggest Concerns
10:17 1. Is it Art?
11:13 2. Artists Losing Jobs
12:08 3. Copyright
13:59 The Fascination Flipside
14:49 My First Time
15:42 Inspiration Generator
16:21 How I'll be Using It
18:43 My Final Thoughts 
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You are a treasure for the artistic community. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with us 💜✨
Thanks so much, I really enjoy this community so it means a lot to hear this!💛
The interesting question, to me, is what happens when you show one of these beautiful and unique AI-generated pieces of "art" to someone who is entirely unaware of its source or how it was produced. I recently tried this experiment with about a half-dozen friends, including a few who are also artists. They all considered it art -- and pretty good art in most cases. Only after revealing the source did I get a few head scratches. So, how can it be art when someone doesn't know the source and then suddenly not art when they realize it was AI generated? Something to ponder. I'm definitely excited to try combining some of the AI-generated compositions I've made with my own artwork to see how I can create something even more interesting.
I agree with you so hard, I was just scrolling through instagram and one of my favourite content creators created an art account so they were promoting it and when I first saw it I was wowed, it was amazing but when I looked on the hashtags and I saw mid journey, having no idea what it was at time I searched it up (which is why I’m on this video) and I can’t help but say that I’m kinda disappointed. I still however fully believe that it is art however my dissatisfaction/disappointment comes from the credit of this Ai being stolen; had I not decided to search up what it was I would’ve gone on believing that the content creator had created them themselves.
Because people try to discredit everything and those ppl aren’t your audience, they’re just highly uneducated in every sense
I always thought that something to be called “Art” must have some kind of human skill/input/sentiment.
Ofc there are people who think a banana sticked on a wall is art.
Art is subjective.
For me the people who put the words on the AI to create art are not the artists, the only artists here are the people who had the skill to make an AI capable of it.
Still, a sad kind of art, as it is a way to destroy -yet another- passionate job that was being on demand more than ever before, and that artists loved being in demand.
My only hope is that in the end, when people see the Making off a game or a cartoon movie, and they see that the process was giving the AI words to make the art, they will be dissapointed and want to see more.
Art is not art because of how it looks, art is about THE PROCESS and the story behind.
@@ohmynl "art is about THE PROCESS and the story behind" ... I think that is one definition of art, and a valid one. However, I also think art can be about how it invokes emotion in the person viewing the piece. There is plenty of art that I love and I have no idea what the story is behind it. I fill it with my own story as I explore it -- to me that is just as valid. I think AI-generated art is going to be just another genre, much like photography was when the camera was invented. Back then, people debated if photography was art. In the end, some people will like it and some people will not ... and that is the beautiful thing about art!
@@MarkBennettCEO The process as I learned it is the records of why and how it's made. So in definitive, it's also the emotion it gives to you and the history behind it. You might like the artwork or not. Photography and Cinema have also a process. Just ask yourself why that piece, picture, or movie was made and try to research about it. Ai generated art is going to exterminate some of the Art jobs. Art is still subjective, some people pay millions for a banana taped on a wall.
I've been using it for a while and the difference actually using a tool like this, versus watching someone else use one, is that you realise the difference between "what I'm going for" and "what I asked for". So, if you just look at the prompts and the images, it looks like the user got more or less what they asked for, but so often that isn't what was actually in your mind, even if you didn't have a clear idea of what you thought the image was going to look like when you started.
If you have an open mind and you just want something that's going to throw up some interesting imagery that you might not of thought of, to start a conversation, move an idea along, or shake up your creative thinking, it's great, 10/10. Beyond that, it really depends on what you're trying to get out of it, it can get you from A to B, but you'll probably still need to get from B to wherever else, and if you haven't done at least some of the same kind of work that the AI did for you, you're going to struggle to get further.
hey! do you happen to have a spare invite? it would do wonders for my school project
If you roll two d6 dice enough times, they’ll come up seven 1/6 of the time as opposed to less for each combination. I think you just have to generate boatloads of stuff you’ll discard, and you can be sure all those upscale/vary/discard decisions are going right back into the AI to cause image quality and adherence to expectations to rise. It’ll happen slowly at first but will be evident over the course of a few years of constant decisions from endusers being fed back in to the neural networks driving this.
I could use an invite as well. Or maybe I could just submit a few scene ideas to the AI Generative Art group I just joined on FB and see if anyone with a “license seat” (I know there really isn’t such a thing yet). Children’s book ideas. But my son Ben is a great artist, so maybe I’ll get him inspired to do the heavy lifting, not with midjourney which I’ll probably end up hating just as much as Google (but not as much as social media giants causing more harm than good, overall, on global cultures). Disco is probably the route I’ll go once I can.
I’m thinking of going downtown with a bucket of bills and change, busking with my guitar and saying “Take my money if you can get me a midjourney invite.”
Flip the script on what busking is, as I’m usually down there just trying to figure out which compositions have a chance of interesting anyone, which is feedback you get for free. And if it gets me a beer or two, all the better.
What happens when someone combines something like Midjourney with something like NVIDIA Canvas?
I think you really hit the nail on the head with the Pinterest analogy. That's why i save other people's art to my board - I like the sky from this painting, the color palette from that one, and the subject matter from another. The problem there is that there are too many disparate elements for my mind to blend, and i just get discouraged. I think I'll love this, can't wait to try it!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this important topic for the art community. I personnaly see that as if we switch the positions, the computer thinks and gives us the concept and then we make it pretty or just redraw it, we do the technical stuff, we let the creativity and a huge part of ideation to the AI. I will still try it to get a deeper opinion about it.
Yeah, I'm still toying around with my thoughts on it as well since new things keep coming up!
Ai learns at the speed of light. Literally. Electrons. So this is day 1 of the Big Bang. Who knows what day will encompass “making it pretty” or re drawing it. The only limitations are the developers’ toggles. Right now the version iterations are mostly random. It’s infinite as to what the future beholds. Now you can specify aspect ratio but tomorrow you will be able to specify “realistic human face” or whatever to make the output indistinguishable from that made by an artist. Now it looks somewhat “midjourney” but some of these I see flow by are definitely distinct and some are truly shocking as to how much they stand alone or outside the typical. This is truly revolutionary. Logo designers as an example won’t be 3 iterations for $250. They will have to use ai and go to 100 distinct samples by using 60 second ai generated samples. They will essentially become “tag” or “prompt” specialists more than artists. That’s just a thought…
I played around with it as well and it is fun and fascinating. It's like visual brainstorming but rather than using your own mind, experiences and visual library, it uses the entire internet, or filters it through the lense of particular artists that you input. And that's also where the crux of it being used by artists is. Your art is shaped by how you view the world, your favorite movies growing up, the images your subconscious comes up with in your dreams etc. If given the same prompt, you would come up with totally different ideas than the AI would.
Also, even though our own styles are often mashups of artists we like, when the AI is literally trained on images by the artists and replicates it, then it does border on plagiarism.
But during testing I found that some styles are more easily replicated than others. It does great with semi-realistic art with horror elements and some abstractions and some artists have styles that fall into that category and thus justly fear being replaced. More defined, less abstract is still safe for now for what it seems. But that is only if you in general disregard the process and just see art as being the fastest way to arrive at a digital image of something that looks visually pleasing
You know, that's a really interesting point. I never thought of it as "brainstorming". But yeah, I think that's where tools like this come in at a 10/10 because they think waaaayyyyy differently than us.
I was thinking about trying mid journey (just for fun... no reason beyond that).
Don't you need an invite link though? Any idea how I could get one?
I agree with you that my immediate concern was around being able to type in artist’s names for inspiration, I’m not familiar enough with the laws to say but I wonder if artists would be able to fight for copyright infringement when their name is recorded as entered in the system… because I could see some things spouting out that are eerily similar.
how did you able to use midjourney? do i need an invitation? I'd like to try this ai
Any chance I can get an invite? 😊🙏 I would appreciate that a lot!! 😊🙏
I want to be a paid member to help support this company and the work they're doing!
here is how you can use AI as more than just an art generating tool but simply a tool to aid the process in making better art ruclips.net/video/fSZQc6g8Q3w/видео.html
I completely agree that while I don't consider it art, it is an amazing tool for inspiration. Just like you said the color pallets, textures, tones, and compositions generated really fascinate me and get the gears turning. I've always loved concept and interpretive art for the fact that there's more loose and undefined parts where its more about a subjective tone or feeling to the piece. And this I feel has a similar draw to it for me. I've been playing with the dream art generator from reference images and had a blast myself, loved hearing your input on this!
I know people will abuse this but I believe as a tool for inspiration, it's incredible!
Art is and has always been in the eye of the beholder. It‘s basically an uncontrolled hallucination… you don’t have the ability to do much with composition of the scene in a detailed manner… I’m wondering if you could have characters that would repeat so as to make animation scenes (as it can animate!) with cuts that make sense from the standpoint of continuity. Is continuity between cuts even possible? Dunnno… there’s a bit of a learning curve to installing all the bits and pieces.
In a way this is the ultimate compressed image decompressor… 132 characters or so and a huge high-res render spits back. That’s rather amazing. And I’m sure as this product matures there’ll be ways to specify your own palette of tones, characters and other objects, scenes, etc., making it far more useful.
But if Google is going to charge users, own all the rights, and steal while also destroying and existing industry… then that’s when I say break up Google into pieces, because that’s what monopolies do and have always down. Regulation and legislators and the Courts catching up with runaway technology is absolutely needed.
I’m not saying no tech. I’m saying pay the thousands of artists you are currently stealing from wholeheartedly. [By you I mean Google.] I think any fair use claim is flimsy when it has the potential of putting thousands of artists completely out of business.
I remember the day President Reagan closed down all the state hospitals and there were tons of mentally and behaviorally ill folk shivering all around the train tracks in Providence, RI while I attended Brown. There’s going to be a ton of artists put out of work - folks who otherwise might have been illustrating books like the one I’ll be writing (a children’s book).
So I do want to play with this. I do want to see if it could do what I want regarding book art. But in the end, the midjourney or Disco images (free image competitor to midjourney) I might generated might end up just as temp images on the cutting room floor in the end.
For a tool in a toolbox, it makes a lot of sense. In my case I can see the value of colour pallets and lighting experimentation, but the danger I see is corporate greed. Companies like EA would push their mothers under a bus to make a buck, so there is no doubt whatsoever companies are going to try and axe their entire art department in favour of AI just to shovel a few thousand more into their shareholders and CEOs pockets.
I believe there lies an important point that must be considered in this discussion: the shift in the popular notion of art. Nowadays, thanks to post-modernism, there has been a fracturing of the elements of art-aesthetics, message, craft, so that while one person values one of these, they might disregard the others. What has been lost in time is the perception of the higher realms of existence, (energy) and so to any lay observer, the AI piece looks just as good as the one created by a person. To the traditionalist artist, like yourself, that perception of 'soul' is more apparent I'd argue. This is definitely a much longer convo, one that leads into why is it that humanity has forgotten itself and thinks its only a fleshy robot and how that is reflected in the art we value today. Keep going, these topics are much needed in discussion and its up to the artists and philosophers to keep the sacred fire of humanity alive.
I am a pumpkin artist. (I am not a sculptor; I carve two-dimensional designs that are designed to be lit from within.) For years, I’ve used reference images to create patterns to carve. This year, I decided to experiment with Midjourney to generate reference images, and I’m getting great results (although it’s not so good at creating images that look like specific people).
Hi just wanted to say I had the same reaction, but absolutely love it to help me work out my painting concepts. I think this will be a process we will all work through. Thank you for the video!
what makes a good burger? the recipe? what it looks like? the taste? the process? the chef that puts their heart and soul into something on a plate, becoming an extension of themselves?
Everyone's opinion on art is different, much like food / fine dining. Some people will consume mass produced, low quality food, others will preach that only expensive burgers are good.
A.I wont make lazy artists/people less lazy, or automatically more dedicated than before. Prompting a robot wont be harder for an artist who has extensive knowledge already and can articulate what they want.
I'm sure among you, there are many talented and unique people who draw inspiration from things you and only you like. Tastes blend together to create style- get out there and start cooking.
Understand that the PROCESS by which something is made sometimes is more important than the final product to a 'consumer'. Find your niche, you got this whoever is reading
I'm still not sure how I feel about this AI generated art but from what I've seen so far I really like it. Although it's technically not considered art I like some of the stuff that it's creating and some I'd even hang on my wall. I don't think this will replace artists any time soon but it sure is something to think about in the future because currently the images that it produces aren't perfect (human faces and shapes for example) but with more time and financing towards the project it will be able to create hyper realistic looking things like humans, animals, landscapes etc. I'm really looking forward to it but it's also really scary as a 3D artist myself. The scenes midjurney makes within minutes could take a 3D artist weeks to make. It's something to think about.
Yeah it will certainly put more pressure on the individual artist to compete against Ai generated images as well as other artists in the field!
It does create hyperrealistic pictures
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and process! I’m with you that it is at once inspirational and terrifying. It is concerning that you can enter specific artists’ names in your description, however I will say that I was more inspired by different thumbnails than the ones you chose in the video, so already there is more human element than maybe it appears.
It makes it more difficult to explain that digital art is also drawn by hand and not by itself...
here is how you can use AI as more than just an art generating tool but simply a tool to aid the process in making better art ruclips.net/video/fSZQc6g8Q3w/видео.html
I just joined yesterday. One of the things I'm working on, is learning all the ways you can learn to have more control over output. This is done through learning some pretty simple command line programming that you can add at the end of your prompt descriptions. I'm already hooked from a brainstorming and conceptualizing standpoint. And it's just very fun too!
This was a good video to find after exploring the thing myself. I think it's good for folks to be really settling on a position with respect to art. I tend to think as you do, that the process is a necessary part of what makes it, the human putting some piece of themselves into the thing they're doing is a necessary part. So by that measure I can't say midjourney is "doing art". It's more like a starting point generator to me - being able to quickly create a visual representation of some words, has a lot of utility.
Unfortunately, with the tool already out there it's inevitable someone is gonna try to prop themselves up on it; those folks will flounder though if anyone tries to really get at their process. Also unfortunately, I could see a lot of consumers thinking an artist taking one of these and manipulating it, regardless of its result, is somehow "lesser" or inferior to performing the entire process. Artists, as a whole, would need to make a push for *how* exactly folks need to be engaging with it, which means folks would have to come together around a position.
As an end user/consumer, personally I hope it enables folks to bring more of their ideas to light. Maybe it gets a lot of folks who otherwise wouldn't try to produce art, to start doing it. I know I'd have been helped a lot, if I could have plugged in some words and gotten such a strong starting point like that. If something like Midjourney can expose tons of people to the idea that some art is derivative, perhaps it would mean a more relaxed sort of engagement from folks, who knows. Perhaps there might even end up being *less* debate over art, because the AI bot gets us all to settle on more firm ideas of what is what.
I'm interested to see how it goes, and in the meantime am gonna keep plugging in psychiatry jargon because the results there are some wild shit. Thank you for your video!
Hi Timothy. I am glad I came across this video! I have been looking at these AI Art generators and have been using the Dream by Wombo for a couple f weeks. I am really intrigued by what I am seeing created by the Midjourney environment. You have pretty much echoed my thoughts and concerns about the validity of AI artwork creation, and yes I have had the same thoughts and questions. Thank you for helping me come to terms with it. I plan on using it (if I get that elusive invite from someone) the same way you do. (There is something special about creating your own art)!
I definitely share these thoughts! I hope you find your own path of using Ai generated art for inspiration! =]
Thank you for your information and insight on midjourney AI - I down loaded it yesterday.I confess I came across an artist who was posting really interesting work but he called it digital not A! And I was struggling to see how he came up with such work then I came across A! And I’m 🤔 now I get it but after listening to your views, yep it’s another tool and damn if I’m going to be in the box and not look at as you so rightly confirmed how ‘ inspirational ‘ it is. So Thanks again and love your art style and work.
Human's first reactions when threatened is fear and aggression. It's completely understandable from a psycho-social standpoint. As a data scientist and electronic music producer, I absolutely love new tools to play with in both environments. People will argue and make up reasons why not to consider something art if it protects their ego and well being. The truth is, as time passes more and more of our reality is going to become automated. I think the Buddhist concept of middle path comes in handy when considering AI art. Finding inspiration and creativity in it but also being efficient in the process. From the Stoic perspective, only put thought into things you can control and disregard that which you cannot. AI are creating music and art and I find pleasure in collaborating with them more and more as time passes :)
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Wow love this video, and I’ve been on the fence about the AI (and will probably be there for a while longer) but I see so many opportunities that could be available but at the same time how horribly it could be used. I’m sure there will be a pothole-filled road ahead.
Great video! I totally agree with every point you made. Also, how you drew that in only an hour has sent me. That would have taken me 10 times as long....
My tutor (an architect) commented on AI Generated Art as " At the time photography was found and integrated in our lives in a similar way. Still drawing portraits and Art have a huge place in out lives..." ye he said something like that and I agree with him. I really liked your perspective tho for seeing this AI Generated Art as an inspiration and a tool. It is a smart way to use it, I doubt that it could replace handmade art.
hell yeah! im excited to implement this in my process to further refine my own style. i just applied to use midjourney, and i hope i get access before i go on vacation in 2 weeks!
Delighted to find someone else with a similar take. I see i it as an inspiration tool for sure and also a bit of a teaching tool. And casual fun of course.
It is trippy to have Midjourney reference your own art using the URL input. /imagine Reference url, what you want, options (--wallpaper etc.) Mindblowing!
An artist has just trained his eye and his abilities in a visual direction. This is like being the conductor of an orchestra working with AI, in this context we just have to see where a false note is played for the finished result that expresses the experience we want to convey. Because IA as I have seen it definitely does not have perfect perspective or body proportions in place, we are still needed and of course there are many more reasons. You even mention the good colors in your film, yes they are complementary which for a layman is not understandable - it is one of the small things that we who work with it take completely for granted. It's like someone who hasn't learned to draw but is good at details, shadows and cool effects - again for a non performing artist it can be hard to see - if you've ever tried to teach, the "mistakes" are very clear.. We will see very detailed kitsch for the same reason, but also new things that can be wonderfully inspiring. I would compare it a bit with our fascination with Tom Cruise when he does his own stunts, we are more impressed by that rather than CGI stunts such as Black Panther fight scene at the end - it's CGI and we miss the human aspect here so clearly. The same goes for AI and art by a human.
Awesome video. Thanks for your insight and opinion, it really gave me a solid place to start my own thought process of this new phase of art offerings. Much appreciated!
Hey can you reference the other ones you mentioned where they also let you add some input images?
11:50 I feel sad about it. I think this is a technology that’s probably going to be utilized in the future and, as mentioned in the video, it will cause job loss for artists. When I ponder that possibility I am reminded of ghibli and old Disney hand drawn animation. Art is art ….but art with heart hits different.
That's a really beautiful drawing that you've done that accompanies your audio (and we can see it was human-done). And the face is outstanding - not like midjourney ones you showed us.
I have been playing around with it, my thoughts are as such. I don't feel that any images it produces in their entirety are my artwork, but they are my ideas... so I guess that makes me the art director in that situation. However, I do a lot of photo manipulation and have always produced all of the assets for my projects myself (ie wondering around museums, parks, my house and shooting models. I'm always looking for things to take photos of to use in these projects). What I have found beneficial in ai art generators is the ability to quickly create complex assets to be used in larger photo manipulation work, so I guess the question is, are these parts of the final image any more or less valid than than the photos of already existing objects I use. For me the artistic part is the reorganization of what is into what I want it to be. In the end I think this could be a powerful tool for creative humans, but will most likely never replace the guiding hand.
10/10 Solid take here Tim!
Hi there,one of the best reviews on Ai generated art period.thank you for the work you placed here. I followed the steps but gut stuck with the invitation:(
The farther being a professional artist gets from actual pen and pencil in hand, the greater the inequality created by "progress".
AI will not make being an artist simpler.
It will not create more opportunity.
It will only create more artificial and educational hoops to jump through in order to be a professional.
Eventually game and movie studios will only need to hire art managers who manipulate the ai software to pump out iteration after iteration and eventually final designs.
The same is true for 3d art.
Eventually studios will no longer need artists to create new models, textures, bitmaps, lighting.
Everything will be automated and homogenous.
A small group of humans acting as middle men managing it all.
Rest of us "artists "will end up needing to find another line of work.
The best most driven 1 -.5% of us becoming professional boutique craftsmen.
Creating a really coherent and consistent portfolio is kinda challenging though, if you really want specific results, then animating those results to create scenarios, i think it’s simply a new niche, it doesn’t cancel classic art, it’s just a new dimension of imagination.
Strangely enough, I can completely see this creating a new age of surrealist art.
And then, in about 100 years there will be a realism/romanticist movement again and people will go back to traditional/digital art.
@@ohmynl Yep, art is so cyclical.
Interesting. Thanks for laying it out for me. Honestly I didn't know what all the fuss was about. This clears it up.
For me (a game developer) with no access to funds to hire an artist this allows me to make a game with beautiful art.
Very informative, thanks for you thoughts! 🙏
Remember that "Ai generated art" is still in its infancy. Creating "Ai generated art" in the future might look more like "Give me a frog, okay good. Rise the horizon line up a bit. Give it a three quarters turn view. This frog is more predatorial, bring the eyes more to the front. Frog isn't aquatic, lose the webbings. etc etc" After artists have mastered fundamentals, what is left is each one's visual library and understanding of the subject matter. We artists shouldn't fear "Ai generated art" it is more of a tool than another artist.
My natural style is cartoon. I can't wrap my head around concept or realism. So getting to play with this, fine-tuning down variations further and further until the bot generation is close to what I'm seeing in my head based on my prompts is a nice feeling. I can see myself using this for some creations where I would other wise be banging my head against a wall trying to explain to someone what I want. How to use it in the long run I don't know. I might make some t-shirts to go alongside my cartoon style, or even blend them together in post for some juxtaposition.
As a Toon Boom Harmony rigger (cut-out, puppet-based rigs for 2d animation), I've seen first-hand how animation has shifted from traditional hand-drawn art to digital hand drawn art (think TVPaint, Toon Boom Harmony and Adobe Flash) to the now widely popular "rigged animation." This entire revolution is happening alongside CG animation. Netflix's Cuphead and Hilda incorporate rigged animation with some scenes using "hybrid" rig and hand-drawn animation. This renaissance in animation is more cost-effective to CG animation.
I feel AI generated art will aid artists for concept art, backgrounds and give a lot of inspiration. It'll be the new photobash method to quickly baseboard ideas onto and then generate characters and backgrounds. With time this technique may eliminate the do-over phase - and then artists will have to use their taste to fine tune how AI generated art is used.
But, I think of it like rigging. The rigged puppet saves time but still requires the "operator" - an experienced animator - to create realistic animation. Just more digital tools to save time and money.
Okay, so... I'm working on writing a book with the help of an AI whose text I direct and then go through and edit for the first draft. I used midjourney to get two separate generations which I merged into base image for the front cover (but the back cover was just one generated image with the floors saturation dropped to match the front cover)... Should those things I'm creating with AI be considered art? I certainly think so, as there's definitely something I'm trying to say once everything is put together.
Two hundred years ago people asked if photography will replace artists. Thirty years ago people asked if digital 3d and 2d art will replace traditional paintings and sculpture. As you can see - everything is still there. Human mind has a much more complex associative creative process than just matching pictures to the keywords that pop up in the artist's brain. AI -generated rendering - absolutely yes. AI-generated ideas - nonsense. I totally envision AI helping me autotrace my drawings, helping me color and render 2d images faster. I can envision AI helping 3d modellers do a perfect retopology, rigging and animation - but still, it all boils down to feelings. You cannot always describe in words what you want an image, a model or an animation to be like. But a dedicated specialist can. Once again: helping an artist - yes, replacing him - never.
I got lost in your words. I was most focusing on your artwork and it’s beautiful
I have tried for many years to make decent art, but while my brain is extremely colourful and imaginative, I have struggled with taking my brain's creations and putting them onto canvas. I have been enjoying describing my creations to it and seeing what it makes based on it.
Me too. This is first time I've ever been able to contribute to making anything beautiful and I'm really enjoying it. Also I watch the threads and everyone's creations are so much different than each other.
WOW that's fantastic and scary in the same time ... so the same thoughts as you had. But thanks for your time end energy spending in this video and let as taking part of your thoughts.
I have one question for using it in discord. How is the process by using a private version? I am not very familiar with discord. Is there any howto? Because i am very interested exploring it and see where it will it take me to. Thanks again for your time .... and keep on your great art.
Has anyone here seen Carol & Tuesday? It's about music in a world where ai generates the songs.
I think this can be a very useful tool for inspiration. inputting vague concepts and taking what it makes as a jumping-off point
I agree with you, it is a great tool for inspiration and working through ideas.
This is an example of how someone uses technology in the service of humanity. But oftentimes, technological progress is used by people who are disconnected from their hearts and soul. I believe it's going to be like with cakes, people will buy cakes made by machines, but a homemade cake will always be more tasty and expensive. It will be like we watch now the objects manually created in the middle ages, materials were of better quality, design, etc. So, traditional art will be rare but indeed appreciated. I am sure concept artists will lose their jobs because this will allow employers to think in terms of timing and profit, thus AI will replace humans. Indeed, it's a powerful tool, but I believe artists already are struggling to maintain professional stability, and this won't work in their service. I think it would be ideal if we would approach AI art like this, but unfortunately, I think it's going to fall in the wrong hands and be used not in the favor of artists. And Indeed it helps you visualize, but that means that we will have less imagination....
Get yourself some Overhead Projector transparent sheets to stop your hand from smudging your drawings.
Amazing video and thoughts, thank you
So is it taking artwork from the artists you mention and adds whatever specifics to basically make something new?
Looks very interesting! I would use it as more of a concept/mockup tool, kinda like how I use Pinterest as a mood board tool . I could NEVER just type in words and let a computer generate an image and call that "art" though!!! Call me traditional but I'm a very tactile person who loves the feeling of a pencil, paper and paints.
The way you used to incorporate on your own art is something I had in mind, amazing. It will drive your work to newer heights.
Art is art. This is art.
You can actually use an Image URL with midjourney to have an image a the base of what you want.
I think it is art and it only will get better. It is sad for artists and their long journey but technology always has changed areas of life.
Creativity - have an idea of what you want the AI to come up with, Skill - learning keywords, and different way of typing, to create a style, light, prospective and so on you're looking for, soul- choosing, and keep choosing images until come up with the one you're happy with. Into this prospective AI art is still art.
This is great, I was sent an invite too - I'm likely to use it as inspiration in a very similar way.
Nice picture dude, mad skill 😊
Can we use this art for commercial use , as book covers .. etc
AI will first replace craftsmen, those who consider themselves artists but mostly focus on craft and quality. True artists will still be in demand for their ability to generate more novel ideas and thoughts, pull quality out of AI.
A lot of people will lose their jobs.
AI is also currently being developed to write code, create written copy, rig, animate and create 3D models with good topology.
It's beautiful, as it'll free people to focus on ideas rather than manual repetitive labor.
Eventually AI will replace us in every way, and this is where we as a society will have to figure out how to restructure our socioeconomic landscape so the majority can benefit from it, rather than just the very few.
It started bothering me the second IG pages popped-up with AI art claiming in the description "Artist" and then selling their prints. While it's non of my business if I'm not the one purchasing nor do I believe they should stop selling AI generated prints, but something about claiming to be the artist of the generated pieces makes it wildly disqusting practice, especially when their's lack of transparency.
That's exactly how i feel about it too. Anything i create with midjourney feels wrong to call it my own work or art. It's just not.
had this idea for a gaming console. it basically could create a dream game or it would combine your favorite games together and make it into a new one
Those AIs do also scare me a lot. But as you've said, extracting inspiration for patterns, textures, shapes, etc is definitely useful and different, since the results are just sth else than what we're used to.
My partner is doing reasearch on AI stuff. Are you able to share an invite code or sth? That would be dope! :)
Despite all else, ai created art will always be a lesser form of art (if even considered art down the line) as it can never be more than a synthesis of original man-made art. All art is a synthesis of sorts, but I truly have reason to believe the human mind synthesizes with more nuance and intelligence than any machine ever can. This sort of plays into the question "can ai ever replicate the human mind in totality?" which I find super interesting. Who knows, maybe I'll be proven wrong when progress is made in the future!
Honestly I think a lot of people do not care about how art is done. So many people buy the pictures from Ikea to hang up at home, so if they like what the AI generates (which I do since it is so "creative"; detailed yet abstract, in enough instances) they will not care about it being AI art.
The saving grace will be that AI art is abundant, we will see it EVERYWHERE and things that are abundant are cheap and get boring. So real art that takes time and is unique will win out. Also people not caring about the process arn't that interested and won't pay much to begin with.
I would literally not be able to live in the same house as that pumpkin head thing behind you. It makes me feel a type of way, that’s art.
I don't think it's dangerous for the artist, i use it a lot as a source of inspiration and i think it's good!
When I did my degree, the first question we were asked was what is art', after much discussion the class came to the agreement that are is what you say it is.
This video is very good but the vast majority of it is simply about laying down rules and regulations for what is and is not art, how it should be constructed and used, copyright concerns, money making etc. The fact is, art has no rules, if an artist says a pile of bricks is art and sells it to the Tate Gallery for 1 million pounds, is he in breach of copyright to the brick manufacturer? Was it really art or was it just a pile of bricks? (This actually happened).
An artist (If forget their name) was contacted by a gallery and asked if he would like to provide a piece of art for an upcoming display, he said yes. He then called a sign-writing company and told them to go to the gallery and write 'JOHN SMITH IS AN ARTIST' in large letters on his display space, it was the main attraction at the event! So who was the artist here, who should make the most money and was there any copyright issues?
As for people losing their jobs, this is no concern at all. If we held back technology because someone might lose their job, we'd still be doing finger paintings on cave walls. Don't worry, they will find new careers. (Are cave paintings art? Who owns the copyright?)
Thank you, greetings from Bolivia, this is very interesting!!... increible!
Rip to artist that used to make a living off commissions, now people can just go to the AI generator and write what they want, it'll generate infinite options too so it's even better
actually it can only generate 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 options per prompt
So so cool. Great inspiration tool.
My first thought is that is not ones art if you just type some words and use the ai image as your final image or even if you do some minor changes to it. Then I thought more about it. Besides ai there is also generative art which is software that makes or modifies an image based on algorithms that are not ai based. When I write my own software, then I consider it my own work. It takes quite some effort to write the software. If I use an ai programs then it’s someone else’s program. You can also ask, did I make my own paint and brushes or buy them? Most artist buy pens, paint and brushes. When I paint with a paint program such as Rebelle or use Photoshop, I still think of the pictures as my art even though I did not write the paint software or make the computer. But what about my own words to run the ai program to create concepts for my art? Maybe it’s all in my clever words or other input that controls the ai software. What about just random words? What about a 3D program such as Blender. It too has a lot of procedural tools for making, distributing and texturing objects. In the 3D software case, the image is still modeled by the artist but the mathematical calculations to render the image are done by a computer with someone else’s software. It is still my art because I spent hours modeling the image. Ai could run a 3D program. It’s very interesting ai is another tool that can be quite useful. Ai is leveraging the minds and work of many people to make more, hopefully, pleasing images. Just about everything we have today relies on someone else’s work and machines in factories designed and built by many people over many years. I definitely would like to try one of these ai image programs. If I had the time and more computer skills or a team of programers, I would write my own ai tools. Very interesting.
Excellent video and discussion. I’m currently incorporating Dream Wombo ai images into my art, but would LOVE to find an MJ invite.
I just heard about Midjourney a few days ago, did a Google search for the website, then clicked on the beta button and immediately got an invite. I think anyone can get in at the moment. You might try again. If you already have a discord account, the process is easy.
as an artist who has aphantasia, this actually helps me visualise my concepts better. its a tool, not a replacement. :)
This is how we should push it, it is scary but what can we do otherwise. Let’s let ai push us as artists
That's amazing! I love the use you found for this AI art generator. Before i watched your video i was playing with another Ai called Night Cafe (which gives you full rights over the art piece), so i was at most thinking of painting over and using its palettes (it's a really good AI but so far not very good for human figures). I've been trying to join Midjourney now because the results are so polished from what i've seen in your video and using them for references is such a good idea! That would save me so much time. I sent a request for beta in their form but it doesn't seem i'm gonna get an invitation any time soon :( And about people using those images and saying they made them..... they didn't, they just input some words, and that any retard can do. if you can't use your own skills to create over what you've got then to me... i don't think the person could get the credits for the final piece, they do get the credits for the prompts :P
I just joined yesterday, try again. I didn't even need an invite, just went to the website, and clicked join beta and was automatically invited. Obviously, they are in their subscriber push at this point, and I joined for 10 bucks a month, and get 200 iterations for that amount, which is perfect to explore the ways you can actually take much more control of output by learning commands to go along with the descriptive prompts.
Midjourney has come a long way since you made this video. It’s no longer struggling with faces and hands, and many images are indistinguishable from human-created art.
The game industry will become a place where artists make final in game assets themselves from 0-100%. Eventually it will be like music production where an entire score is made by one person. Individual artists will just be expected to do more.
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Do we get to see your finished piece? It's like a cliff hanger at the end! :)
I’m going to get a job as a text inputter concept artist now!
For concept artist. It may or may not replace them as concept art is not just creating pretty picture there is huge thing called problem solving. Concepr qrtist use drawing as tool to solve problem.if it can draw fast that tools have been improved.
AI music is still music. People consider their photography to be art. Therefore, if people think it's art then it passes for art. In the case of AI, the talent is in the ability to generate prompts that elicit pleasing results, so that the skillset is an entirely different ballgame.
Great video thanks for sharing! Just a heads up though creating a video review of the app is against the terms of service of the private beta.
Can you print what you created, say 30x40 inches big?
what in 1 year, what in 10 years, what in 20 years? this AI came in couple of years. Just imagine what it will be doing in 5 years or 15 years.... I'm afraid lots of people will lose there job and will to endevor the art skill
It’s ARTificial
If you don't consider the output art, do you consider the input art? Is not written text also classified as art? Are books not art?
As a concept artist I guess I should feel threatened, but don't see it taking jobs at all. Because concept art is inherently human and involves storytelling, context and intent to the highest degree. None of which are taken into account by something like this. A director would get this and say wtf, where are all the story concerns.
Essentially it's a glorified Google image search that combines all those disparate references into one composition. Which is great, and can as people have said, spark ideas. Just like Image Search saved hours and money with less hunting down references and re-buying art books on each project.
But I don't see any hint of storytelling through colour context composition lighting costume character angle and so on and so forth. Which are par for the course with movies and tv - - everything needs to support or drive the narrative, whether in a literal or tonal sense. Dialogue isn't only way to tell a story. I'm only interested in tech in how it can free the artist. And this seems like a fun tool in that respect.
Also, it's the second coming of photobashing... all depends on the knowledge you have already. if you can draw and paint already, it's useful and saves time. If not, yeah it's absolutely cheating, or collage at best.
Midjourney feels cheap but AI art can be a visual medium unto itself with a lot of human input. If you use a more open AI like Disco Diffusion you can choose your diffusion models, clip models, weight prompts, choose the Frame of diffusion particular elements will be added, schedule inner and outer cuts to determine details, overall power of the cuts over the length of the diffusion. It makes images uniquely AI.
I'am devided into two. I love it, so much inspiration in so little time and i'm scared of it, because AI is getting better and better. I use it as a tool for inspiration, thumbnails and for fun. just putting in meme's for the lol's.
However, i think you can consider AI assisted Art as a visionary/inspiration for some who appreciate art but not skilled enough to bring what they imagine in to an actual art form e.g handrawing. But i think we can for the moment we can welcome the concepts the AI Art.
If I am not missing something, I believe there is one thing heavily in favor of human spark and talent here. Consistency. A coherent style/brand across a "set" of pieces. Let's say you are making 10 characters to represent classes/races for a TTRPG project. While you may be able to spin up one abstract-ish piece for the Wizard... when you try and do the same thing for the Bard I believe it is going to come out with a completely different feel. So you could never have a set of cards "drawn by Jack Kirby" or what have you... instead it would be a set of cards with random unrelated art by various artists (sources?). I think this might be the saving grace. So sure, kick ass one off box cover, no problem, but the Bestiary is going to have to be drawn by the same hand with the same style if you want a signature look and feel across the pages.
Maybe I am missing a feature of MJ that tries to compensate for this, or maybe the style this thing is spitting out does all have the same feel (I was getting that feeling looking at the generated art scrolling by)? Either way I feel anything that requires a uniform or even somewhat connecting thread over a series of pieces is gonna require that oft marginalized duo... artistry and hard work.
I had an interesting thought. Does anyone think there were portrait artists in the past who thought that the first few photographic cameras were illegitimate? Why didn't everyone just give up on drawing anything depicting the realistic world then and there?
Yes there were painters that thought photography was illegitimate. People didn't give up on drawing & painting, but the market for those skills was decimated. In other words, a lot of people who were able to make a living as painters found it harder and harder to do so. Most realistic painters have struggled to survive since photography arrived. It wasn't a good century or so for realistic painters.
It has only been very, very recently that people have started to be able to make more money from drawing and painting again, partly because everyone has cameras (therefore painting has become more of a novelty) and partly because of the internet (because people can market themselves more easily than before).
What will happen with Midjourney and other AI image generators is similar- many commercial artists (illustrators etc) will begin to find it harder and harder to land work as this technology improves. It was already pretty hard to begin with.
I think it's just like photograph attribution - if you use someone else's work, you have to give credit according to copyright - or lack thereof. Same for your generated images - it's polite to attribute artwork if you use it in publications, especially if money is involved....other than that there'll probably be a system established like flikr uses for photographs....
So what if you add a design, an intricate design, or create a collage, a mix of your work done by hand "on-top" of a Midjourney output? Who owns the derivative work at that point? I wonder if they are adding metadata to each output to maintain ownership? -- That is basically what they are doing to copryrighted art, in a round-about way, and then claiming ownership for themselves. I see a lot of grey areas.
I'm still learning about ai art so I don't know all of the facts however for me I feel like it could be considered art. Yes the ai makes it for you but a person had to put their idea of a creative topic into detailed words in order for it to start making something. So for me I feel like the credit as to whom made it should go both to the ai generator and the person who wrote the prompt. As long as they properly show that it wasn't something they painted/created on their own, I think it would be acceptable to call it art and at least be able to say "i helped create this". I'd like to make an ai piece as a base and then try drawing on it with my own style just to see what I could make from it
I've been using computers as part of my art process for over forty years. Every year the tools become more sophisticated. I think what we have now is a subtle switch where we are becoming the tools. Let me explain. Original work is being sampled by A.I. systems, sample enough of the these and computers can 'learn' to simulate the results. Give me a Van Gogh, give me a Loish it's all the same to the A.I. so long as it has enough samples.
However, current A.I. gets it wrong and needs a corrective process to put it back on track, this is akin to the uncanny valley in 3D. When the humans step in and correct the A.I. mistakes then a kind of threshold is passed and wow the A.I. really takes off. We are currently the corrective facility. We use the tools and the A.I. resamples our choices and learns from them.
With the acceleration of general artificial intelligence (G.A.I) the human corrective element can be significantly reduced. Most A.I. Have specific tasks G.A.I are capable of much wider interpretations of their remit. Plug these into a global feedback loop of people liking or disliking images and the human artist simply won't be able to keep up. These systems can produce work every few seconds 24 hours a day 365 days a year and they are only just getting started.
It can be argued that they need the inspiration to get going in the first place. Well the Internet has it, the whole of human creativity from cave art to 3D animation. All of our collective cultural history is available to sample digest and inspire. We are creating programs that can take all of that and dazzle us with new and unthought of imaginings with results from the pathetic to the genius. What's worrying is the speed at which these systems learn the difference between the two.
Where people say these A.I. Systems are just another tool I have a strong feeling now they are fundamentally wrong. A.I. Systems are being created to replace the slow human processes that demand wages, whatever that process is. Look at human history to see that wealthy people will do whatever they can to reduce costs and make themselves wealthier. A.I. Is the next step in this history. With quantum computing on the verge of wider availability and G.A.I. Systems growing exponentially we should be having more conversations about what this means for us humans.
My hope is that traditional art skills will have enough heart to appeal directly to the human condition and artists will continue. However, I start to see that is unlikely to be the case, not if the end result is the measure.
Maybe just maybe the actuality of creating work the human way will become the true value. The very human act of creating something that takes time and soul, maybe it will be this rather than the end result that saves us from the machines.
We are the sex organs of AI
I've lived through 6 decades of technology advancement and I'm still alive and healthy. Actually, the more you fight against it, the more powerful it will become. I've lived through computers, cable TV, smart phones, wireless everything and so much more. Of course, with any new technology there's going to be casualties but not the Zombie Apocalypse. The camera didn't destroy the painter, the computer didn't destroy the photographer, AI will not destroy the artist. Learn this from an OG, "Everything Must Change."