I can accept the half sayians being erased but not post Broly film Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. The only dragon balls that should be able to do that are the super dragon balls.
And yet he is still strong enough to revive Vegeta & Goku so I’m pretty sure that wish checks out that shenron can bring them back to this world and he can take them out this world
@@alastorthedemonslayer4257 if you think about it, going to Otherworld and retrieving someone isn't that big of a deal, Fortune Teller Baba does that all the time, if only for 24 hours. Really to me it comes down to the wording, "erase" and the manner in which they just disappeared. It implied that they simply no longer exist, which is where we get into some Beerus level power discussion. If it takes Destroyer Ki, an apparent variation of God Ki, to destroy, or hakai something out of existence, then I doubt Shenron has the power necessary for such a wish
From a logical point of view, I'd question Shenron's ability to erase people as powerful as Goku and Vegeta but it makes for an interesting twist. Wonder if Frieza would be able to shrug it off somehow like he did Destroyer Ki. Is there anything stopping him and/or the Z team from wishing them back the same way with the Namek or possibly Super Dragon Balls? Questions for later
It was established in the saiyan saga that shebron cannot erase enemies stronger than its creator, which was why they couldn’t wish vegeta and nappa away before they arrived
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
I question Shenron's ability to erase _anyone_ That normally requires God Ki, but I am starting to think, like Yoseqlo said, that they were simply transported somewhere else Which is still suspect, because Shenron has never before shown to twist wishes like that, and simply grants it as spoken or outright states that he can't do it Not to mention that Salza didn't say "I wish for all Saiyans to be erased from this universe" he said "I wish for all Saiyans in this universe to be erased" the order of the words is doesn't leave much room for the wish to be twisted in the first place
@@Starwarsdude8221991 agreed, if zamasu need the super dragons balls *just* to switch bodies with a pre future arc goku, erasing not just him from existence would be far out of the limitations of the regular dragon balls
@@zealot824 I don't think he needed them, more that's the only DBs he knew of. That being said, I still don't think the wish of "erasing the Saiyans" would work.
Yeah I'm curious about that too. I vaguely remember something about shenron not being able to simply get rid of someone that was stronger than his creator or some shlt like that.
@@Azal-fd3wv and Goku now is on par if not stronger with beerus soo but it was kinda interesting to do this because if Goku went mui everything would have been done and it wouldn't have been interesting
But, wouldn't erasing them be far beyond Shenron's power? Even If you frame it as him using energy of destruction to do it, we've seen both Frieza and Goku resisting its power, not to mention Vegeta who flat out just negates it in his fight with G.O.D Toppo.
I mean from when did shenron have destruction energy anyway wouldn't that be kinda beyond his limits too he is not super shenron he is just normal Shenron
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
That wish imo doesn’t make much sense, how could dendes balls be strong enough to erase Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. I can accept the rest of them being erased but not the three juggernauts.
But remember the dragon ball’s don’t reflect dende’s strength, it’s shenron’s magic that did this and we all know magic can do many things that ki can’t plus Goku & Vegeta aren’t Gods only mortals with strength of Gods but not actually Gods if anything this is completely possible since they are temporal Gods if anything
Yeah, that is a little unrealistic. If they couldn't stop vegeta in the sayian saga or teleport goku without his consent at the beginning of the android saga, I don't care what upgrades Dende gave them, there is no way they'd be able to erase anyone who could go super saiyan at this point, not to mention gohan's ultimate form or ssgss
Pritoss he shouldn’t be. He couldn’t do much about Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Nappa, so even after being strengthened by Dende, I doubt he’d be able to do anything to Post-Broly Goku and Vegeta. Though it does make the story more interesting
@@Zenkai2718 It's every Saiyan, which isn't much. Considering it's only the Earth Saiyans and Broly being counted. Wait, does that mean Saiyans in the afterlife would be erased too?
Even If it was only The earth saiyans and broly all of them exept bulla, Pan and meaby goten and trunks would have Been strong enough that shenron wouldn't have Been able to erase them also sense when has shenron had The ability to erase people
Jaycee65 HiThere considering how the wish might have been worded, it likely would have erased the ones in the afterlife too, but it’s not the number of Saiyans being erased that I have a problem with. It’s Shenron being able to erase the Saiyans that I do, since he can’t do something like that if said person exceeds his/Dende’s power. I just used the Saiyan Saga as an example. And we can all agree Goku, Vegeta, Broly, etc. all are stronger than Dende.
I know this has already been said MANY times in the comments section. But... Shenron shouldn't be able to just delete some of the literal strongest being s in all of Universe 7. If you could just do that. Why wouldn't every villain just do that? Heck, the heroes tried that with Vegeta and Nappa didn't they? This plot thread seems unreasonable as a result.
You were so close to getting it... Riddle me this: if the dragon cannot destroy the saiyans, in which other manner can he "erase" all saiyans from universe 7?
@@douchevick309 I don't think a simple rewording would make a difference otherwise their enemies could simply be wished away. "Excuse me, Mr. Dragon could be possibly destroy the Saiyans that are on the way to Earth right about now?" "Your wish cannot be granted because the guardian of Earth created me. I cannot grant a wish which exceeds his power."
The dragon balls cannot grant wishes outside of the scope of their creator's power. Erasing multiple people in a manner like a Destroyer's Hakai would be far outside of Dende's abilities.
but masako dont you remember? shenron cant grant wishes that are beyond his makers power and sense goku and vegeta and broly are thousands of times more powerful then dende it shouldeve been impossible for shenron to erase them.
@@Lightgod87 not possible too because when they asked him to locate the super dragon balls shenron said that's beyond his power because the universe is soo big and he can't even interfere with other universes
@@gamingterrain3703 to be honest even table might be stronger than sense if we consider Goku and friends are back special ep because at that point table would have to be as strong as ginyu to even survive the battle against the villains even if you downplay them and say they are only as strong as 1st form frieza not final form frieza but I could easily say that they are as strong as final form frieza from what we saw
The whole "erasing Saiyans" is gonna ended up being a plot twist of Shenron teleporting the Saiyans to a different far away dimension isn't? I mean, teleporting would be something Shenron could be capable of doing it
As displayed in the Frieza saga, when everyone had been moved from Namek to Earth, the teleportation had been an instant effect, not necessarily something that is a "fade away" effect.
Wouldn't that wish be beyond Shenron's power though? I mean, he couldn't even erase Nappa and Vegeta in the Saiyan saga. Even if Dende powered up the Dragon Balls, I don't think they'd be able to do it to any of the remaining Saiyans...
He probably could do it to tarble and maybe pan and definitely bulla but that is about it, I don’t see shenron being able to erase goten trunks and I don’t even see a possible scenario where dense would be strong unless unless he fused with every namekian in universe 7, and that is only to say he could get rid of gohan and below but not anywhere near goku vegeta or broly in terms of power
@SomeGuy I forgot broly. But shenron could erase pan and bulla maybe trunks and goten because those 4 are still so young and aren't as strong yet I'm not too sure
@@kaiserdrago9598 goten and trunks are still stronger than even namek goku, and i doubt dende got THAT strong, and heck, pan and bulla's powers and still really fricken high for being so young, maybe even still stronger than dende
I'm not just talking about physical power in that department all four have dende out classed but also mental and spiritual power is also a factor when it comes to the dragonballs and the namekian that created them
Shenron can't teleport Goku without his permission, but he can erase from existence Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Broly in the same wish. Masako, what are you smoking?
_“Uncle Cooler is pissed!”_ I’d say the disclaimer to complete the joke, but since YT likes being YT, the comment keeps getting removed and unseen anytime I post this joke in previous videos! This is all you get!
How can shenron erase the saiyans? They are more powerful than him, and shenron cannot affect anyone more powerful than itself unless the target allows it. Its why they couldn’t just wish vegeta and nappa away
Exactly, he can't destroy saiyans, but notice the wording: "i wish that all saiyans from *this universe* were erased" The dragon was told to get rid all the saiyans from universe 7, that's it. They're probably chilling in universe 6
Douchevick shenron cannot even move them if they do not want to. Remember he could not even teleport super saiyan Goku to earth when he didn’t want to following Friezas defeat. Goku didn’t want to come and Shenron was unable to resist. Now the same deagon who couldn’t even budge a super saiyan goku could casually get rid of 2 saiyans with god ki and half a dpzen others? Unless thia what if operates under drastically different universal laws it shouldn’t be possible.
@@Maximus4587 oh dear god that would be hilarious. Cooler squinting at zeno not sure what the imp is and tries swatting it aside. Zeno:: you are very cruel, arrogant, and uncaring of anyone around yu. Cooler: how very observant of you. Zeno: and that is you will cease to exist now. *Pop*
Now wait hold on i thought the earth dragon balls cant grant wishes to wish away people who are far stronger than it from existense kinda similar to the time when they wanted to use them on vegeta when he was coming to earth?
Fat Joker doesn’t matter how powerful dende is. Goku, Vegeta, and Broly are waaaaaay beyond the power of shenron and shouldn’t have been able to be erased.
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
Sorry, I have to head tilt on the wish as it was stated that Shenron can’t erase/destroy beings stronger than the one that created him. Even if it was for a twist, this was a weak way to frame this part of the story.
Wait wait wait a minute remember the dragon can’t grant wishes surpassing the power of those who created them Goku and Vegeta not to mention most saiyan are stronger than Dende. You screwed up masako.
The hole erasing thing, while intresting is rather...Iffy. Im not sure Shenron would be able to affect Vegeta and Goku. MAYBE Goten and Trunks and sureley Pan and Bulla...but all the Adults? Not so sure. It IS a intresting idea. If a little...questionable.
So... did every one forget that as long as agent in has more power than the wish itself he can grant it? This means that he couldn't erase them if their powers were over his, so if event in could do that then he'd have to be the super shenron to do it. Masako either forgot or made super kami dende the most powerful person in universe 7
Not to mention broly and gohan and goten and trunks who are stronger then dende I could see tarble, and bulla and pan being destroyed but that is about it, not anyone else
MasakoX I do have one problem with this, at least the format of this part. The wish. Back during the Saiyan Saga, Krillin had attempted to make a similar wish on Shenron, to defeat Nappa and Vegeta, but Shenron was unable to comply because they were too powerful. I feel like even with al the upgrades that Shenron has received, that power-gap has only expanded, not shrank. So I don't feel like there's any way he'd be able to destroy the Saiyans... UNLESS it was not death, but effectively teleportation, specifically teleportation to Universe 6. That's the only way this would make sense to me. THAT is a wish Shenron could grant, which would still "erase" them from THIS universe... If that's your plan, I'm okay, but otherwise, It just stretches incredulity at this point.
I agree, Goku and Vegeta have been through many challenges to become immensely powerful. I don't think Shenron has the power and potential to erase them from existence.
I don’t see how Shenron or even Porunga could be powerful enough to erase the Saiyans. He couldn’t erase Saiyan Saga Nappa and Vegeta when they were coming to Earth. Yes, the wish orbs were made more powerful under Dende, but not that powerful. And I certainly don’t think Shenron is powerful enough to erase the Saiyans in the past to retroactively erase the present day Saiyans since even the highest gods have restrictions to traveling through time, especially to the past. That’d definitely be a Super Dragon Ball wish.
@@gotenksjr that's still impossible since as seen by goku saying no to porunga bringing him back to earth while he was on yardrat, if your stronger than shenron, you can't be moved unless you give the all clear to be moved
@@prestongarvey2599 then again, that Only applied to Goku. And With Porunga only Vegeta was teleported without his consent. So was Broly (even if Broly might have wanted to escape). Maybe Shenron is less polite than Porunga and just teleported them against their wishes to another Universe
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Vegeta was teleported unexpectedly and was teleporting from a dying planet, you could argue that agreed to leave or wanted to leave subconsciously, Goku didn't want to leave and had no real reason to leave Yadrat before he could fully control the Super Saiyan form and master IT.
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
HOW THE HELL DID SHENRON ERASE THE SAIYANS!!!??? THAT WOULDN'T BE BEYOND HIS POWER!!??? AND IF NOT, WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS BEFORE IN THE MAIN TIMELINE!!!!???
Hmm... An uncle from space that no one new existed, appears out of the blue on Earth and kidnaps his nephew. I am having the worst case of dé·jà mustard right now.
So basically, the only remaining people that are probably strong enough to even stand up to Cooler are: - 17 - Meerus (though with a very limited restriction) - Maybe Piccolo - Moro (The last ditch effort) Let's just hope that Bulma could pay Hit for more firepower
Yeah, you're forgetting Beerus. He's not the most passionate person in the multiverse, but Goku and Vegeta are his rivals, he wouldn't be pleased to hear from Bulma that they've been erased.
@@hairman6535 Yeah... That and as I said, he knows how well Omni Kings get along with Goku, so if they would get to their heads "Let's call Goku here!"... Well, Beerus would be in trouble!
Well now, something tells me that a certain kaioshin's going to be showing up due to that wish... that, or you genuinely just backed yourself into a corner, one of the two.
That is way beyond shenron's powers. He couldn't harm Nappa. This is no bueno and just alittle too unbelievable. This should have been a April fool's What-if
So Shenron can't undo biomechanical augmentations because the Androids were too powerful, but he can erase Saiyans that are several orders of magnitude more powerful?
@@MasakoX Masako, it's okay to have made a mistake, just fix it in the next video; simple as that. Defending it like this is just going to make people rage at you more. I don't want you to get hated on because of this.
this is kinda how I want them to introduce Cooler as a character when he is made canon. Frieza learns of his imminent arrival and the very mention of his brothers name makes him break out in a cold sweat and tremble in fear. He has no other choice and goes in search of help from his greatest enemies Goku and Vegeta and even the combined effort of Frieza and the two sayians are no match for the rightful heir to the empire. (and something else id like to see is Vegeta and frieza work together to hold off Cooler while Goku instant transmissions to vampa after picking up some potara earrings from the kais and when all seems lost a new warrior appears on the battle field bathes in a bluish green aura. Cooler asks "Who are you" and the warrior simply says "We are Broku" I dont care who you are, I guarantee people will lose their minds if this happened.)
*Meanwhile in Toki Toki City* Trunks: Chronoa! Mira and Towa altered the past and made Dende as strong a Lord Xeno! Chronoa: *sighing* .... Go find Dumplin and Puddin and go fix it, geez do I have to tell you everything?
Depends really. Through how the wish worked all sayings were erased at work existing at that time so there are only a few ways to fix it .1 they find a way to wish them back to life back to reality through another carefully worded wish .2 they make Baras aware and begin on the way to wreck coolers stuff for destroying businesses student and the possible thing that could keep the Omni King busy .3 freezer does the toughest thing of his entire life and wishes back the existence of all sayings since he cannot pick singular ones
Yes but the wish to begin with the earth dragon balls would be to weak to grant the wish in full I could see bulla pan and tarble being erased but not anyone else as they are all stronger then dende and goku broly and vegeta are way way way to strong for the earths dragon balls to erase them, I could see the super dragon balls being able to get rid of them but I don’t see the namekian or earth dragon balls to be able to do that with the namekian dragon balls you could say they could get rid of goten and trunks but that’s all I could see them being able to do not being able to destroy gohan or vegeta or goku or broly
My other guess as to how Shenron's wish works: Since Shenron can't erase any of the saiyans due to it being beyond him, he just poofed them ANOTHER universe (Maybe they land on Sadala?) to split the difference of wish granting. Makes more sense that "Because dramatic writing" Also because I have doubts Masako *didn't* up and forget the limits of Shenron, given he's pretty sticky to some ground rules
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@@MasakoX your what it's are the best
MasakoX isn’t shenron to weak to erase someone as powerful as Vegeta or Goku
Wait, Masako! Does Shenron actually have the power to erase a race of being, like the Sayians?
Cooler: You will not let me take my nephew! He has the key to canonization!
Vegeta and Goku:Kuriza you want to give it to your 'Uncle'
@@studentNEET319 well cooler is a prick
I don't think the Catholic Church is interested in Cooler.
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The worst fate of a Dragon Ball character: being made non-canon
Vegeta: “H-how, how are they so durable? Explain Cooler!!”
Cooler: _Outstretches his arms with pride_ *“Nanomachines son!”*
Damnit they played us like a damn fiddle!
....the memes..!
They harden in response to physical trauma
Now that's a pretty meme. Exquisite!
This isn’t interesting- snake
11:38 That sounds...WAY beyond Shenron’s power, if you ask me
Me too
I can accept the half sayians being erased but not post Broly film Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. The only dragon balls that should be able to do that are the super dragon balls.
Yeah, I was on board at first, until this part.
The first real stupid thing Masako did.
I'm partially assuming that given "From this universe" resulted in Shenron just moving them to another one
@@Kisara-ST Let's give Masako the benefit of the doubt and wait for the explanation
Remember that Dragon can't grant wishes that are beyond his power?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
And yet he is still strong enough to revive Vegeta & Goku so I’m pretty sure that wish checks out that shenron can bring them back to this world and he can take them out this world
@@alastorthedemonslayer4257 technically I'd say that Super Shenron would be strong enough for that.
@@alastorthedemonslayer4257 if you think about it, going to Otherworld and retrieving someone isn't that big of a deal, Fortune Teller Baba does that all the time, if only for 24 hours. Really to me it comes down to the wording, "erase" and the manner in which they just disappeared. It implied that they simply no longer exist, which is where we get into some Beerus level power discussion. If it takes Destroyer Ki, an apparent variation of God Ki, to destroy, or hakai something out of existence, then I doubt Shenron has the power necessary for such a wish
From a logical point of view, I'd question Shenron's ability to erase people as powerful as Goku and Vegeta but it makes for an interesting twist. Wonder if Frieza would be able to shrug it off somehow like he did Destroyer Ki. Is there anything stopping him and/or the Z team from wishing them back the same way with the Namek or possibly Super Dragon Balls? Questions for later
It was established in the saiyan saga that shebron cannot erase enemies stronger than its creator, which was why they couldn’t wish vegeta and nappa away before they arrived
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
@@cavaleirot This. The wish stated to erase their existence from this universe. They may have been sent to another one, like universe 6.
Instead of questions later, you should hv said. Next time on dragon ball Z.
I question Shenron's ability to erase _anyone_
That normally requires God Ki, but I am starting to think, like Yoseqlo said, that they were simply transported somewhere else
Which is still suspect, because Shenron has never before shown to twist wishes like that, and simply grants it as spoken or outright states that he can't do it
Not to mention that Salza didn't say "I wish for all Saiyans to be erased from this universe" he said "I wish for all Saiyans in this universe to be erased" the order of the words is doesn't leave much room for the wish to be twisted in the first place
You lost me at Shenron having the power to erase all sayians......
Yeah can’t say I blame you this feels more like super dragon balls
KingKong DeLong it’s possible they were just teleported to another universe or dimension
@@Starwarsdude8221991 agreed, if zamasu need the super dragons balls *just* to switch bodies with a pre future arc goku, erasing not just him from existence would be far out of the limitations of the regular dragon balls
I don't see why it would be farfetched. Theres literally only a handful of saiyans in existence. Doesn't require much power given they're mortals.
@@zealot824 I don't think he needed them, more that's the only DBs he knew of.
That being said, I still don't think the wish of "erasing the Saiyans" would work.
how is the shenron able to erase to the saiyans. dende isn’t that powerful.
Oh please after kami got replaced the rules are as needed
Yeah I'm curious about that too. I vaguely remember something about shenron not being able to simply get rid of someone that was stronger than his creator or some shlt like that.
@@Grunt0066 yeah in the Battle of Gods movie goku said that Shenron couldn't defeat Beerus
@@Azal-fd3wv and Goku now is on par if not stronger with beerus soo but it was kinda interesting to do this because if Goku went mui everything would have been done and it wouldn't have been interesting
... Pecking order.
Bra: Kuriza.....I....I don't feel so good
I don't get it.
@@creflot Avengers Spider-Man dust scene
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Heh. Nice one.
Cooler: *goes Golden*
Goku: Freeza did it.
Cooler: Ahh s*** here we go again.
But, wouldn't erasing them be far beyond Shenron's power? Even If you frame it as him using energy of destruction to do it, we've seen both Frieza and Goku resisting its power, not to mention Vegeta who flat out just negates it in his fight with G.O.D Toppo.
That's what I was thinking he has limits
I mean from when did shenron have destruction energy anyway wouldn't that be kinda beyond his limits too he is not super shenron he is just normal Shenron
Yeah, the idea was rejected for that reason in the saiyan saga
ya this is to confusing maybe if it were the super dragon balls but not earth dragonballs there's is no way
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
Bulla and Pan: Keriza, we don't feel so good.
That wish imo doesn’t make much sense, how could dendes balls be strong enough to erase Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. I can accept the rest of them being erased but not the three juggernauts.
So u jus gonna completely disregard the fact that literally every other saiyan besides maybe tarble is way stronger than dende? Aite kool
I agree. These three are gods on on par with most destroyers, so by that logic, Dende's Dragon Balls could erase Gods of Destruction.
Agreed. I would understand if it was the Super Dragon Balls, but it was just the Earth's.
But remember the dragon ball’s don’t reflect dende’s strength, it’s shenron’s magic that did this and we all know magic can do many things that ki can’t plus Goku & Vegeta aren’t Gods only mortals with strength of Gods but not actually Gods if anything this is completely possible since they are temporal Gods if anything
Yeah, that is a little unrealistic. If they couldn't stop vegeta in the sayian saga or teleport goku without his consent at the beginning of the android saga, I don't care what upgrades Dende gave them, there is no way they'd be able to erase anyone who could go super saiyan at this point, not to mention gohan's ultimate form or ssgss
One problem I have with this--how in the blazes is Shenron strong enough to erase people like Post-broly Vegeta and Goku?
Pritoss he shouldn’t be. He couldn’t do much about Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Nappa, so even after being strengthened by Dende, I doubt he’d be able to do anything to Post-Broly Goku and Vegeta. Though it does make the story more interesting
@@Zenkai2718 It's every Saiyan, which isn't much. Considering it's only the Earth Saiyans and Broly being counted.
Wait, does that mean Saiyans in the afterlife would be erased too?
Even If it was only The earth saiyans and broly all of them exept bulla, Pan and meaby goten and trunks would have Been strong enough that shenron wouldn't have Been able to erase them also sense when has shenron had The ability to erase people
Jaycee65 HiThere considering how the wish might have been worded, it likely would have erased the ones in the afterlife too, but it’s not the number of Saiyans being erased that I have a problem with. It’s Shenron being able to erase the Saiyans that I do, since he can’t do something like that if said person exceeds his/Dende’s power. I just used the Saiyan Saga as an example. And we can all agree Goku, Vegeta, Broly, etc. all are stronger than Dende.
Zenkai27 if piccolo made the dragon balls I could see goten trunks bulla and pan being erased and maybe tarble(because tarble is canon.)
I know this has already been said MANY times in the comments section. But... Shenron shouldn't be able to just delete some of the literal strongest being s in all of Universe 7. If you could just do that. Why wouldn't every villain just do that? Heck, the heroes tried that with Vegeta and Nappa didn't they? This plot thread seems unreasonable as a result.
You were so close to getting it...
Riddle me this: if the dragon cannot destroy the saiyans, in which other manner can he "erase" all saiyans from universe 7?
@@douchevick309 I don't think a simple rewording would make a difference otherwise their enemies could simply be wished away.
"Excuse me, Mr. Dragon could be possibly destroy the Saiyans that are on the way to Earth right about now?"
"Your wish cannot be granted because the guardian of Earth created me. I cannot grant a wish which exceeds his power."
The dragon balls cannot grant wishes outside of the scope of their creator's power. Erasing multiple people in a manner like a Destroyer's Hakai would be far outside of Dende's abilities.
but masako dont you remember? shenron cant grant wishes that are beyond his makers power and sense goku and vegeta and broly are thousands of times more powerful then dende it shouldeve been impossible for shenron to erase them.
He also made the same mistake with having purunga make the ginyu force leave planet namek.
@@Lightgod87 If Shenron couldn't locate an item in a different universe, then I doubt he could send the Saiyans to a different universe.
@@Lightgod87 not possible too because when they asked him to locate the super dragon balls shenron said that's beyond his power because the universe is soo big and he can't even interfere with other universes
So u jus gonna completely disregard the fact that literally every other saiyan besides maybe tarble is way stronger than dende? Aite kool
@@gamingterrain3703 to be honest even table might be stronger than sense if we consider Goku and friends are back special ep because at that point table would have to be as strong as ginyu to even survive the battle against the villains even if you downplay them and say they are only as strong as 1st form frieza not final form frieza but I could easily say that they are as strong as final form frieza from what we saw
The whole "erasing Saiyans" is gonna ended up being a plot twist of Shenron teleporting the Saiyans to a different far away dimension isn't?
I mean, teleporting would be something Shenron could be capable of doing it
As displayed in the Frieza saga, when everyone had been moved from Namek to Earth, the teleportation had been an instant effect, not necessarily something that is a "fade away" effect.
@@GemGen he could have made it look like this they are fading away
Wouldn't that wish be beyond Shenron's power though? I mean, he couldn't even erase Nappa and Vegeta in the Saiyan saga. Even if Dende powered up the Dragon Balls, I don't think they'd be able to do it to any of the remaining Saiyans...
He probably could do it to tarble and maybe pan and definitely bulla but that is about it, I don’t see shenron being able to erase goten trunks and I don’t even see a possible scenario where dense would be strong unless unless he fused with every namekian in universe 7, and that is only to say he could get rid of gohan and below but not anywhere near goku vegeta or broly in terms of power
Don't think shenron is strong enough to erase goku gohan and vegeta their power is too far beyond his
@SomeGuy I forgot broly. But shenron could erase pan and bulla maybe trunks and goten because those 4 are still so young and aren't as strong yet I'm not too sure
@@kaiserdrago9598 goten and trunks are still stronger than even namek goku, and i doubt dende got THAT strong, and heck, pan and bulla's powers and still really fricken high for being so young, maybe even still stronger than dende
I'm not just talking about physical power in that department all four have dende out classed but also mental and spiritual power is also a factor when it comes to the dragonballs and the namekian that created them
@@kaiserdrago9598 still, the fact that they have so much more power over dende still more than makes up for the spiritual loss
Shenron can't teleport Goku without his permission, but he can erase from existence Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Broly in the same wish. Masako, what are you smoking?
“Say Uncle!” That’s all I can think of right now 😂
_“Uncle Cooler is pissed!”_ I’d say the disclaimer to complete the joke, but since YT likes being YT, the comment keeps getting removed and unseen anytime I post this joke in previous videos! This is all you get!
Aw nuts.
Aw crapbaskets
Wait, why does YT remove it?
@Pokémaniac Guquiz since this comment hasn’t been deleted, it’s likely the disclaimer itself.
Bananaa
How can shenron erase the saiyans? They are more powerful than him, and shenron cannot affect anyone more powerful than itself unless the target allows it. Its why they couldn’t just wish vegeta and nappa away
Exactly, he can't destroy saiyans, but notice the wording: "i wish that all saiyans from *this universe* were erased"
The dragon was told to get rid all the saiyans from universe 7, that's it. They're probably chilling in universe 6
Douchevick shenron cannot even move them if they do not want to. Remember he could not even teleport super saiyan Goku to earth when he didn’t want to following Friezas defeat. Goku didn’t want to come and Shenron was unable to resist. Now the same deagon who couldn’t even budge a super saiyan goku could casually get rid of 2 saiyans with god ki and half a dpzen others? Unless thia what if operates under drastically different universal laws it shouldn’t be possible.
@@douchevick309 your wording makes me think of Hakai. And Shenron isn't Thanos with the Infinity Stones.
Kuriza: LEAVE MY DADDY ALONE!!!!!
Gohan: go get him lil man💪🏾
But Gohan is no longer with them :(
@@davide_gtr9687
Yeah
None of the saiyans are feeling so good Mr Stark🤧
@@chriss.249 your comments are GOLD! 😂😂
@@davide_gtr9687
lol thanks bruh💪🏾
I have a feeling that Beerus won't be happy that his pupils have just faded away.
Forget about that, Lord Zeno's going to throw a universe-destroying tantrum when he finds out that Goku was ret-goned out of existence...
@@Maximus4587 oh dear god that would be hilarious.
Cooler squinting at zeno not sure what the imp is and tries swatting it aside.
Zeno:: you are very cruel, arrogant, and uncaring of anyone around yu.
Cooler: how very observant of you.
Zeno: and that is you will cease to exist now. *Pop*
Kuriza: "He's SO GODDAMN COOL!"
Vegeta: 😱💖💞
Vegeta: HOW ARE THEY SO DURABLE
Cooler: upgrades people, upgrades
Nice😂
Bulla : Qrieza ... I don't feel so good....
Kuriza*
Finally someone makes this meme in this comments over saying "How is this canon?!"
Now wait hold on i thought the earth dragon balls cant grant wishes to wish away people who are far stronger than it from existense kinda similar to the time when they wanted to use them on vegeta when he was coming to earth?
Dende is quite stronger than Kami was
Yeah even after Dendes revival of the earths dragon, I thought they kept his rules the same with a few small exceptions.
@Fat Joker but not stronger than Goku or Vegeta!
Fat Joker doesn’t matter how powerful dende is. Goku, Vegeta, and Broly are waaaaaay beyond the power of shenron and shouldn’t have been able to be erased.
@@jman72898 exactly
11:28
Mr Stark.... I don't feel so good🤢
Bulma: wrong universe Bulla
Wait... I thought that Shenron can only erase/destroy things weaker than him?? Does this mean dende is the strongest??
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
Or it was Mr Popo who made the dragonballs
Super Cheese maybe shenron just teleported them somewhere else like another dimension
no
Pecking order
I know you may have a plan for this, but Shrenron can't do what his creator can't do.
True
I was just thinking about after I finish. But the limitations of the have been pretty vague
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
Wait a minute the dragon can erase being which are stronger than him i do think that's beyond his limits
Man, it's so strange seeing Frieza so mean to his own kid when watching the "Frieza turn good" stuff
Bruh, erasing the Saiyans would be far beyond Shenrons power you'd need super Shenron for that!
Nope this is actually an easy wish for shenron, like since he brought the saiyans back then he most certainly can take them out of this world
@@alastorthedemonslayer4257 no
Sorry, I have to head tilt on the wish as it was stated that Shenron can’t erase/destroy beings stronger than the one that created him. Even if it was for a twist, this was a weak way to frame this part of the story.
Wait wait wait a minute remember the dragon can’t grant wishes surpassing the power of those who created them Goku and Vegeta not to mention most saiyan are stronger than Dende. You screwed up masako.
The hole erasing thing, while intresting is rather...Iffy. Im not sure Shenron would be able to affect Vegeta and Goku. MAYBE Goten and Trunks and sureley Pan and Bulla...but all the Adults? Not so sure. It IS a intresting idea. If a little...questionable.
I don't know about Pan or Bulla. They are in SSG Blue level, but i agree with everything else.
@@danatos24 you ok?
King piccolo is stronger then Shenron
So... did every one forget that as long as agent in has more power than the wish itself he can grant it? This means that he couldn't erase them if their powers were over his, so if event in could do that then he'd have to be the super shenron to do it. Masako either forgot or made super kami dende the most powerful person in universe 7
Yeah...how strong is freaking dende that he could a dragon like this?
Kuriza would be a cute character
Agreed.
Kuriza*
*-K-*
Carl Webber thankx
"They can keep going for hours" l-lewd...
S T O P I T
*Well so can I-*
George Takei: Oh my~
”Monsieur Cooler made it… worth our while.”
I wonder what will slip next~
11:35 wait, I thought Shenron can’t grant a wish that exceedes the power of its creator. Wouldn’t erasing Goku & Vegeta be way beyond that?
Not to mention broly and gohan and goten and trunks who are stronger then dende I could see tarble, and bulla and pan being destroyed but that is about it, not anyone else
Ahsoka Tano Gaming Goku and Vegeta are my main issues because, although they are mortals, they also possess God Ki.
Somewhere in on a far away planet, in which inhabits one Saiyan.
Tarble: "I don't feel so go, Gure."
[Erased]
Gure: (Shocked Speechless)
6:38 And this is what it means when Cooler’s minions “start small.”
MasakoX I do have one problem with this, at least the format of this part. The wish.
Back during the Saiyan Saga, Krillin had attempted to make a similar wish on Shenron, to defeat Nappa and Vegeta, but Shenron was unable to comply because they were too powerful. I feel like even with al the upgrades that Shenron has received, that power-gap has only expanded, not shrank. So I don't feel like there's any way he'd be able to destroy the Saiyans...
UNLESS it was not death, but effectively teleportation, specifically teleportation to Universe 6. That's the only way this would make sense to me. THAT is a wish Shenron could grant, which would still "erase" them from THIS universe...
If that's your plan, I'm okay, but otherwise, It just stretches incredulity at this point.
I agree, Goku and Vegeta have been through many challenges to become immensely powerful.
I don't think Shenron has the power and potential to erase them from existence.
I don’t see how Shenron or even Porunga could be powerful enough to erase the Saiyans. He couldn’t erase Saiyan Saga Nappa and Vegeta when they were coming to Earth. Yes, the wish orbs were made more powerful under Dende, but not that powerful. And I certainly don’t think Shenron is powerful enough to erase the Saiyans in the past to retroactively erase the present day Saiyans since even the highest gods have restrictions to traveling through time, especially to the past. That’d definitely be a Super Dragon Ball wish.
I'm partially assuming that given "From this universe" resulted in Shenron just moving them to another one
@@gotenksjr that's still impossible since as seen by goku saying no to porunga bringing him back to earth while he was on yardrat, if your stronger than shenron, you can't be moved unless you give the all clear to be moved
@@prestongarvey2599 then again, that Only applied to Goku. And With Porunga only
Vegeta was teleported without his consent. So was Broly (even if Broly might have wanted to escape).
Maybe Shenron is less polite than Porunga and just teleported them against their wishes to another Universe
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Vegeta was teleported unexpectedly and was teleporting from a dying planet, you could argue that agreed to leave or wanted to leave subconsciously, Goku didn't want to leave and had no real reason to leave Yadrat before he could fully control the Super Saiyan form and master IT.
The dragon doesn't have enough power to grant that wish masakox
Holy crap, why are all the frieza stories so good
Masako you made a mistake with this what if because shenron cant erase goku and vegeta because they arebstronger then him remember
Yeah, I don't think Bigger Green can take out gods.
I do not believe that the dragon Shenron would have the power to erase the sayajins from universe 7, he might transport them to another universe or reality. Only The Super-Spheres would have the power to erase the sayajins.
HOW THE HELL DID SHENRON ERASE THE SAIYANS!!!??? THAT WOULDN'T BE BEYOND HIS POWER!!??? AND IF NOT, WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS BEFORE IN THE MAIN TIMELINE!!!!???
Ben Briefs erasing atleast post Broly film Goku, Vegeta, and Broly should be waaaaaaay beyond shenrons power.
@@jman72898 That's what I'm saying, there's no way that should be possible. Unless Shenron is secretly Zeno's pet, that should not have been possible
Lmao Shenron couldn't harm Nappa and Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga. There is no way for this wish to work.
Hmm...
An uncle from space that no one new existed, appears out of the blue on Earth and kidnaps his nephew.
I am having the worst case of dé·jà mustard right now.
So basically,
the only remaining people that are probably strong enough to even stand up to Cooler are:
- 17
- Meerus (though with a very limited restriction)
- Maybe Piccolo
- Moro (The last ditch effort)
Let's just hope that Bulma could pay Hit for more firepower
Or just wait a year and summon Shenron again or go to New Namek
And maybe Frieza. If he trains more.
...Oh! And Beerus! ...Because imagine if Zeno decides he wants to speak with Goku and he is erased. Beerus would be in deep sh*t.
Yeah, you're forgetting Beerus. He's not the most passionate person in the multiverse, but Goku and Vegeta are his rivals, he wouldn't be pleased to hear from Bulma that they've been erased.
@@hairman6535 Yeah... That and as I said, he knows how well Omni Kings get along with Goku, so if they would get to their heads "Let's call Goku here!"... Well, Beerus would be in trouble!
Me: (Laying Down)
*Reads Notification*
Also Me: *YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!*
Damn It. Why Have You Done This Cooler!?
And thus, we were left with a cliffhanger
Masako is turning into Toriyama, he forgets stuff :D
i would point out that shenron cant erase goku and vegeta, BUT since i actually looked in the comments i guess il just have to wait
Well now, something tells me that a certain kaioshin's going to be showing up due to that wish... that, or you genuinely just backed yourself into a corner, one of the two.
You don't mean... *ZAMASU?!*
Frieza:I now miss the monkeys let me revive them
That is way beyond shenron's powers. He couldn't harm Nappa. This is no bueno and just alittle too unbelievable. This should have been a April fool's What-if
It's actually not beyond Shenron's powers.
Then again, I'm not sure whether you're sarcastic or not.
yeahhhhhh um considering Goku and Vegeta can rival gods of destruction I’m pretty sure that Shenron isn’t strong enough to erase them.
Kuriza should learn swordsmanship from yajirobe, it would be so cool
So Shenron can't undo biomechanical augmentations because the Androids were too powerful, but he can erase Saiyans that are several orders of magnitude more powerful?
It's a retroactive change.
MasakoX that retroactive change just does not work if he can’t just make it so the androids were never made. Your pulling at straws here masakoX
@@MasakoX Did Salza wish for Shenron to make it so that the Saiyans never existed at all?
@@MasakoX Masako, it's okay to have made a mistake, just fix it in the next video; simple as that. Defending it like this is just going to make people rage at you more. I don't want you to get hated on because of this.
@@MasakoX Come *on* Masako. This is on par with pretending that Shenron could erase Beerus or Moro.
this is kinda how I want them to introduce Cooler as a character when he is made canon. Frieza learns of his imminent arrival and the very mention of his brothers name makes him break out in a cold sweat and tremble in fear. He has no other choice and goes in search of help from his greatest enemies Goku and Vegeta and even the combined effort of Frieza and the two sayians are no match for the rightful heir to the empire. (and something else id like to see is Vegeta and frieza work together to hold off Cooler while Goku instant transmissions to vampa after picking up some potara earrings from the kais and when all seems lost a new warrior appears on the battle field bathes in a bluish green aura. Cooler asks "Who are you" and the warrior simply says "We are Broku" I dont care who you are, I guarantee people will lose their minds if this happened.)
Man these what if’s just get cooler. :D
This is a pretty radical, yet satisfying idea... Keep up the great work! also: MORE DEKRAFF! lol
That wish might be a bit too much for earth shenron. Granted I suppose there’s only four full blood Saiyans left but...
I feel that frieza will have to find new Namek, oh the irony
This is the most interesting way this could have played out. Your what if’s are are so engaging.
"I don't feel so good"
- Bulla
“Sometimes legends aren’t what they’re cracked up to be” Vegeta will rise from eraser to save the son of Freeza!!!
*Meanwhile in Toki Toki City*
Trunks: Chronoa! Mira and Towa altered the past and made Dende as strong a Lord Xeno!
Chronoa: *sighing* .... Go find Dumplin and Puddin and go fix it, geez do I have to tell you everything?
Great job on providing a surprising original story for such an obscure dbz character! ;)
Ok so the second half of this story is not to be slept on, keep it up Masako
Dude..... nice twist. I love how your stories explore possibilities Toriyama most likely wouldn't
"What have I told you about talking to strangers" 😂😂😂😂
YES! I love this what if, great job Masako. 😄
Using the Dragon Balls to erase all saiyans felt like Thanos’ snap on a smaller scale. Did not see that coming
Masako: Vegeta, Pan, Bulla, Goku, Goten, Gohan, Trunks, and Brolly are all gone
Me: Tarble too?
Masako: Oh yea, him too.
Dende definitely learn Master UI from Popo that how he able to make a stronger Dragonball
I'm excited for the next part if it comes no rush the longer it takes the better it will be no rush I'm excited and ready!
Masako, that wish is beyond Shenron's power...
That cliffhanger got me hooked
bulla:daddy....i don't feel so good, daddy, i don't wanna go!
😭😭😭
Love the twist man. Great spin to the story. Can't wait to see the next party.
"Vegeta is the Prince of all sayians"
Yeah all 5 of them XD
That wish is WAY beyond Shrenron’s power.
I will say this was quiet the surprise from the wish to freeza being beaten, i look forward to the next installment
I always like your videos Masako, but this like is specifically for a worthwhile Armored Squadron
Depends really.
Through how the wish worked all sayings were erased at work existing at that time so there are only a few ways to fix it
.1 they find a way to wish them back to life back to reality through another carefully worded wish
.2 they make Baras aware and begin on the way to wreck coolers stuff for destroying businesses student and the possible thing that could keep the Omni King busy
.3 freezer does the toughest thing of his entire life and wishes back the existence of all sayings since he cannot pick singular ones
Yes but the wish to begin with the earth dragon balls would be to weak to grant the wish in full I could see bulla pan and tarble being erased but not anyone else as they are all stronger then dende and goku broly and vegeta are way way way to strong for the earths dragon balls to erase them, I could see the super dragon balls being able to get rid of them but I don’t see the namekian or earth dragon balls to be able to do that with the namekian dragon balls you could say they could get rid of goten and trunks but that’s all I could see them being able to do not being able to destroy gohan or vegeta or goku or broly
This was the craziest twist in a story I have ever heard!!!!
Damn, just binged this series and now I'm stuck waiting for a Part 5, damn..haha, hope to get another part soon!
Uh, proper dragon answer: "SUCH A WISH IS BEYOND MY POWER"
Is Kuriza experiencing a divorced parental guardians or your dad and uncle in a bar fight?
Can't wait for more of this series
cant wait for part 5 this what if made my day
My other guess as to how Shenron's wish works: Since Shenron can't erase any of the saiyans due to it being beyond him, he just poofed them ANOTHER universe (Maybe they land on Sadala?) to split the difference of wish granting. Makes more sense that "Because dramatic writing"
Also because I have doubts Masako *didn't* up and forget the limits of Shenron, given he's pretty sticky to some ground rules
This series is so good! Keep it up!
Seeing how Shenron can't get rid of someone stronger than his creator I don't think the Saiyans are actually gone
So not only does cooler look like thanos, he out right pulled a thanos
Mr Creeza i don't feel so good
The fight between father and uncle begins.
Mr Kuriza... I don't feel so good...