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Thanks for that beautiful demo! Let's say someone was looking for a synthesizer and was choosing between the Cobalt8 and the Korg Opsix, which would you recommend to someone just starting out with synthesizers...? Maybe the minilogue...?
@@racebloggen-tv4412 Minilogue XD would be my go to choice, Cobalt8 isn't bad either for starting out. I would not recommend OPsix unless you specifically want FM sounds
If you had a choice between the hydra synth or the cobalt which would you choose? The cobalt seems special. Especially for its price for the full size x version. Peace Christo👽
The sound of the Cobalt is just incredible; I was instantly in love and am buying one after the holidays. Both machines are excellent but I just think the Cobalt sounds sublime. Thanks for the comparison review! 👍👍
I have the Cobalt8 37 key version and love it. It has similar capability to my Novation Ultranova but the interface to change sounds on the fly is way better. I am contemplating buying the full-size Argon8X.
Totally different sounds, thanks for showing this. The Argon has a more aggressive clinical cold sound, whereas the Cobalt a definite warmer fuller smooth sound.
Love your closing comment between software vs hardware. As I watch these videos you get the perception that these sounds couldn't possibly get these great sounds out of software. As somebody who started in the painful hardware synth programming world when MIDI just became a thing and watched software synths mature into limitless options I think it's great that hardware manufacturers have taken notes on accessibility and instant satisfaction from software to hardware with the big advantage of tactile control you just can't get with a mouse or even multi-touch screen. Hardware has it's limitations but now its well mapped out and limited options often leads to endless exploring with no end result.
I own an Argon8 and what I can tell about it, is that de Argon8 has a cold sound. Its better with FM-type of sounds, bells, percussion sounds, but it can make pretty nice pad sounds as well, but not as warm as my analog synths, like my Juno-60 or DeepMind12 for example. Its just a nice addition to my setup. I dont think I need the Cobalt8, as I have nice warm analog synths already.
The A8 is a little black monster. And for the Cobalt it can only be said again : the days where as purists claim for whatever reason that analog synths sound 'better' are over. Right on top Modal ! Again !
I generally seek out analog synths because you can push the hardware till it starts to distort and saturate, but I'm really impressed by the warmth of the cobalt. Analog filters seem to help a lot, I think the microfreak takes a similar approach
" the days where as purists claim for whatever reason that analog synths sound 'better' are over" .....um, that is how the first wave of 'modeling' synths in the 1990s were marketed as, too. The more things change....
The Cobalt seems really nice for ambient/space pads. I'd love it - and this is a wish for all slab units out there - if the UI graphic would react and display not just when you turn a control but when you first touch it. This way you could see what a setting is first without changing the value.
So nice to see synths coming out with non menu-based mod matrixes. This sounds absolutely lovely. I keep trying to trim my synth collection and then this comes along.
I accidentally figured out which one I like the best just now. it's like 6:00 in the morning and I have my eyes closed while watching this.he got to the comparison part and I had my eyes closed and as soon as it hit the argon 8I was like wow that's great period and open my eyes. Argon 8 is a great!
Thanks a lot for the review. It was very informative and also you pointed at good angles for positives and negatives. I think Cobalt 8 has a very nice analogue sounding tone and the virtual instruments are mostly not that warm sounding. The other important thing that you also mentioned at the end, even after mapping the MIDI knobs to plugins, I still find out I can't connect to them emotionally and mentally in a way that I see it as one piece synth machine. The fact that I always have to be in front of my computer monitor to enjoy the instrument is not a personal feeling, rather than you take the device and sit on your bed or take it to a trip, etc. makes a lot of difference of creating a personal experience. Also limitation is good. I play saxophone and if every time I picked the instrument, I was thinking of putting it down and pick up a flute or guitar, etc. probably I wouldn't develop my chops in saxophone. I think restriction of sticking with a hardware synth and get good at it is important. We don't have this opportunity when we keep trying different instrument plugins in the computer. Although, speaking of computer, it would be good to know if they would accept different MIDI channels to play different parts simultaneously (being fed from a few MIDI tracks from a DAW). Thanks again.
Thanks for sharing. This was a very thoughtful comparison of the two units and it leaves it up to our ear. It seems that your musical feel is also growing with each of your videos. Blessings.
That patch at 4:55 is crazy awesome! Fascinating step-by-step live comparison! Something did something to my brain when listening to the Cobalt8m, so I just bought one. Out of stock, but say they’ll arrive in April! Can’t bloody wait! 😃😎
@Trololo Inc ® I was thinking in investing into a really quality master MIDI keyboard like the Arturia KeyLab MKII or the Novation SL MKIII, that's why I thought having only one keyboard for them all is a good option to save space.
The Cobalt8, to me, seems to appeal to the broader classic synth community. Its a smart move with remakes and retro sounds being so popular at the moment. The Argon looks more like a sound designers tool. Both seem like amazing devices and I think genre may play a big part of which someone may prefer. I'd love to get either but would lean more towards the Argon8. I would really love to see Modal do a multitimbral unit as well. 4 Part multitimbral with 4 stereo outs would be epic. Hell, even two stereo outs. Either way, these guys are making beautiful machines. Hats off to them!
I was honestly thinking to bye Argon 8 these days since it seams to me like a fine instrument. Now Cobalt 8 is another option I will have to investigate. :)
Argon8 owner here. Agreed on the need for more mod slots. The reverb DROPS levels as you increase the mix. My personal unit suffered a manufacturing issue with the led light pipes falling out when I flipped it over to clean. Awaiting redesigned pipes from the UK (who knows when that will happen). I do say it's an attractive synth that I love to play and touch. There is a connection. I do agree with the screen pausing for that extra second which is annoying - no need for that. I hope they add some more effects as well (shimmer????). Truly a special synth.
Thanks for this. Really balanced review. Personally I lean more to the Cobalt 8, although I'm not convinced that's not just because it looks so much better!
I like your closing comments about the difference between buying an instrument compared to software equivalents.That is a really good point. VSTs are fine but you do lose that tactile element of playing the real instrument. Thanks for making the point.
It’s amazing how friendly and accessible this thing presents, yet it has wonderful depth. That combined with how warm it sounds really puts this one on another level to me.
Having bought my Argon 8 soon after launch, I thought, like many people, the Cobalt 8 was simply a blue version of the Argon 8 so, a big thank you for taking the time to compare them for us.. When we get to the comparison, which must have been taxing to structure, what this seems to show me is that although the architecture is different, if one has a broad experience of making sounds it seems to be possible to achieve roughly the same objective with both but by different means. If there was anything which one could do on the Argon 8 which was impossible on the Cobalt 8 or visa versa, then there would be much more to differentiate them. After your article, I feel more inclined to recommend the Cobalt 8 to someone who has experienced, for example FM synthesis. I bought my Argon 8 because of a flirtation with wavetable sound construction having recently also bought the Waldorf Blofeld and I think your article shows that we might experiment with any of these, or all and find more advanced pleasing sounds to fit specific needs, using different work flow, than we might on a cruder, analogue emulation synthesiser.. During your summing up you touched on something very important to me. Back in the 80s, I observed how the explosion of digital tech led musicians to use whatever the exciting new stock sounds that arrived with new devices. So, for example, the Roland D50 supplanted the Yamaha DX7 but as soon as the onboard sounds in the Roland became commonplace on the radio, each in turn lost their edge. Almost no-one bothered to learn how to program FM, still fewer Roland's Linear Arithmetic Synthesis. Whereas, in the days before patch storage, a Moog or an ARP Odyssey for example, required the player to understand sound generation and modulation worked and manipulate it, digital developments led musicians to play factory presets. It wasn't until the dancefloor put live modulation back in fashion and hardware development advanced, that the process of manually evolving sounds could begin to return to fashion, eventually though a new career for synthesiser players had emerged, selling banks of sound, so that those keyboard players with no interest for or no time to dig deeper could search thousands of presets instead of making their own. Perhaps I will treat myself to the Cobalt 8 M when I feel in need of a new toy to keep me learning
Awesome to see that Modal has made another synth just in one year after Argon8. They make such nice devices with good workflows. I feel very tempted to one day buy an Argon8. I picked a Wavestate instead of an Argon8 though, and still think that was the better choice for me personally. But that doesn’t mean these Modal synths aren’t tempting..... the jury is still out wether I like the Cobalt8 sonically, I suspect the 34 algorithms can have surprises. So I need to hear more demos, but the Argon8 I definitely like it a lot......
Cobalt8 sounds great!! Definitely wish it had come out sooner as it's a fantastic synth to start analogue with but i still love my DeepMind6. The Argon8 is still at the top of my wishlist.
It’s fantastic!!!! but I was excited at Argon8 because like the Hydrasynth they seem to be a sort of growth spurt in digital synthesis functionality and design! and those synths seem very compelling! so I’m confused why a new virtual analog polysynth? Not super sure it’s covering any new territories!! Completely wonderful tho
Thank you .I recently bought Parallels and am pleased with your presets .It was very interesting to see both and many thanks for demonstrating this .Perhaps acquiring both would be a good investment .We are all different .I don't mind that it is sluggish because I am also sluggish .When it comes to creating music I don't want to hurry .I could not put a video together as well as you do .
This seems like it's a really good synth for covering the basics of subtractive analog-style sounds. It has all the important stuff in one convenient and reasonably-priced package. It doesn't appear to excel at anything particular, but it seems like a good all-rounder. I'm guessing the main competition are the Minilogue and the Deepmind. Thanks for the review!
I won't be hesitating to purchase one, different beast from the Argon8, i got the Argon 8x which i'm mightily impressed with, just same chassis and nob layout, brilliant idea i think! great vid Bo ;)
Thanks, Bo. Enjoyed the video, sound demos and comparison. The Argon8 has been on my radar for a while and this is a welcome addition to that line of synths.
I recently got both the Argon and the Cobalt modules because I personally like having options as far as sonic qualities and timbres. I’m the guy who will often say “why not both” instead of “one over the other” =] And this also includes having hardware and having software 😁
Hi Derek, I picked up both as well; Cobalt 8XL + Argon8 module. They both do so much and have complex sounds. I’m finding less is more and editing patches so they blend together in a more complimentary sonic way. Modal should release a sound bank for those os is using both. How are you blending them? Writing patches from scratch or editing presents?
Another great review . Your closing remarks are interesting to me as you mention music genre. The music that you do and what I do are completely different. But out of all the reviewers, I find that you cover most things much better than some other. You always surprise me with a sound or two you come up with. Ive bought a couple of things on the strength of your reviews Im liking the Argon 8 .
I had never considered getting the Cobalt 8 before. I never cared for the sounds I was hearing in peoples videos. That is until I watched your video. Another video nicely done Bo! I'll end up broke and smiling. Lol "Bo Beats video made me buuyy iiiiiiittttt!" :D
Hey Bo! I'm a little late to this party, but I just picked up an Argon 8 today. Completely agree with your comment on bringing in the distortion to give the synth a bit more body. Typically don't need much, but I find it gives a slightly more "analogue" character while still maintaining some of that complexity.
I suspect that, when people ask about bass, many are talking less about whether it has low frequencies, and more about whether it can produce unstable distorted sounds which bubble up into the mid range at sub-sonic rates to make it sound like it's out of control. Like a teenage boy trying to sing exactly the wrong note, and cracking... but lower. This type of sound gives the impression of strong bass, even on cheap speakers which can't produce low frequencies. It rides right on a breaking point, and falters in an unpredictable manner, producing irregular bursts of mid-frequency tones. Each note is different, even when repeated or simply held, because it's chaotic and sends broken tones all over the spectrum. In contrast, there's the typical digital bass, like the first one shown in this video. It has a strong low-frequency root tone, but it's clean and orderly with a bit of high-frequency buzz in a consistent tidy pattern. It's barely audible on cheap speakers (aside from the buzz on top), and doesn't fling out a mess of mid-range tones in an unstable analog manner. But that's just a guess. I personally like chaotic wide-spectrum bass sounds which seem like they're always about to fall apart, so I assume that's what other people are looking for too. I could be wrong. :)
I think you give people too much credit here :-) most just ask ”i cant hear any low end is it really good for bass”. I think alot of people listen on airpods or small speakers so bass doesnt translate.
@@BoBeats Ah, perhaps you're right. In that case, I suppose the answer to their question is much simpler: "Can it do bass?" -> "Yes. Just use the keys on the left side... and get some better headphones." I've seen multiple "how to make bass" tutorials on youtube which are basically "press the Octave Down button". So I guess it's not obvious to everyone.
I appreciate your review, it was very helpful. About hardware vs. software: software depends on computers, on the other hand, hardware works on its own. I am about to exchange my Mac pro for a new Mac Mini M1, but many of the programs I have will not work because the developers will not make any more updates. On the other hand, the hardware synth I have still works fine. I'll go with Cobalt8 for now, and maybe in the future I'll get an Argon8 or its successor.
even though there are people have done these types of reviews before and you are not necessarily known to be the person; I think you're really coming into your own as a reviewer and demo video person, great job on this one.
To my ears, Cobalt8 is a polite version of Argon8. Personally, I prefer the Argon, as already have polite well-behaved Roland synths. Does Cobalt8 remind anyone of the rare and expensive Ensoniq Fizmo?
polite, polished, perfect VS dirty, dark and deep 😆 The cobalt8 reminds me of the first virus somehow, but I must admit MODAL does a good job on presets. Roland seems to invest their time more in recreating their old stuff, so it’s nice to see that MODAL is adding some new stuff however i wish they would have come up with a new design but that is probably depending on production costs
The hardware is identical for both synths. It would be great if two synth engines were available (or upgradeable) in one unit, covering two realms of sound making. That would make this hard to pass up for sure.
For my taste, Cobalt8 is warmer and more alive in sound and feeling. Argon8 has a great sound too, of course, very crisp and clean, just like a digital synth should have, but already having Pigments as my main Wavetable synth, I wouldn’t buy a hardware one. The “blue one” could be instead a nice add on any sound setup, because it’s very peculiar in its concept and it has some features you don’t find in usual virtual analog vst’s.
Hello Bo, a general improvement idea on my side. From user experience point of view, it would be nice to see your view about how well these devices are packed together with knowledge (I mean user manuals, tutorials on company website, anywhere, anything). One thing is to get convinced abour a video like youre, than buy something, and another is to learn how to use it (is it an easy to go exercise or something different). Yes you can turn the knobs all the days, but it does not mean automatically you will ever be a professional and satisfied user of the given device. :-)
Software is a bottomless pit if you purchase premium programs. I have 25 years of experience that confirms it! They will need to be updated regularly, often are glitchy when used live, and might not even work at all on a new computer. You might lose the license key and won't be able to upgrade to a new free version. I did that with my ACID PRO program and had to dish out $99 for a new license key after SONY bought the company. Then I had to shell out more cash for 10 years of upgrades to get current. Most music hardware, keyboards, rack-mounted modules, FX pedals that I bought in the1990s still works admirably today. Some have needed free firmware updates, and they don't have the latest MIDI or USB connectors, but they work. (And, yes, I also still have 20-year-old MIDI controllers too.) I had to repair a couple of broken keys, replace a power supply, and replace a display or two, but the hardware itself still works. My one gripe about software programs is that they eventually become obsolete or the PC crashes and all will be lost. Software is a bottomless pit that will eventually cost you money if you try to keep up with the new revisions. (My Atmosphere program cost $399 in 2001 and then became Omnisphere which cost me $199 to upgrade to the new version. Subsequent upgrades have cost me another $150). Those are just a few of the software programs that have cost me more money after the original purchase. The longer you keep software the more it will cost you. GUARANTEED! Otherwise, you must use cheap or free software that sounds like crap. WTF! You can bet that your premium software will lose value starting day one. And more than likely your somewhat expensive hardware will accrue in value over the years. For instance, I bought a Qusimidi Polymorph in 1999 for $1000. It still is in great condition, and since it is a collector's item and very rare I was once offered $2200 for it! I declined. It's priceless and sounds as good or better than any virtual analog synth (digital or otherwise) that I've heard to date! Good luck getting somebody to offer you 120% over the original price for your 20-year-old software!!!
These two are the end of results of me narrowing down what my next synth will be. I love both, but I think that the Cobalt is more for me than the Argon. I wish I could have both.
Two great sounding synths. I suppose it really comes down to the type of music you make? I would choose the Cobalt8 myself. I would then buy a Korg Wavestate over the Argon8. But that's just me. Great review and comparison, Bo.
I had the Wavestate und Argon8 here 2 days ago... side by side. And i dont want to trashtalk but believe especially in terms of build quality the wavestate is plastic garbage. Its crazy - i was shocked how cheap it is.Dont get me wrong i love Korg. But the wavestate is really is really plastic trash. The keyboard is like a toykeyboard.
@@maycusskywalker3643 The keyboard is really not so nice... but all the other things of Wavestate are outstanding, also if it in a plastic case. The Wavestate is really a special synth, and can't be compared with Modal Argon or Cobalt.
Oh man, Bo... I guess the Cobalt would be really nice for some sweet lofi BOC style ambient music. Just as I thought I would know on what other synth I wanted to spend my 600 Euro synth budget. I had the little Modal Skulpt for some months and it's modulation possibilities where really great, as was the sound, but the menu diving and general handling was not great. Cobalt seems to be much more directly usable, one knob per function style. God I hate those gear decisions ;D
WOW. The Argon8 sounded pretty amazing when you had reviewed it...but the Cobalt8 has piqued my interest! It seems that the slight sluggishness in the menu seems like it may be better suited for a player switching between user-created presets (more my speed! 😂), versus the player that will tweak knobs on the fly? Great review! Hope you stay safe, stay healthy, and thanks for the G.A.S.! 🤣
I wouldnt have thought so...but I lean toward the Argon! I recently bought Behringer's ARP Odyssey clone. Analog bliss there, but I think maybe Odyssey needs something with more texture than body to compliment it. A wavetable synth can imitate acoustic textures better, IMO. Better at doing bells and percussion, and perhaps better at gritty organs too. And the distortion can help the Argon fill electric guitar-like sounds which I currently use a ROMpler for. I I would almost consider selling my Yamaha ROMpler to buy an Argon and just use that and the Odyssey for awhile and maybe pick up some Roland XV, Motif or Fantom modules to drive with the two keyboards. (I have an SY99 which I'll never sell, though!). I've been playing with that and an MX61 exclusively for about 5 years now. I recently sold a Roland D550 which saw little use to finance the Odyssey. I've been starting to remake myself musically these last few weeks, kind of heading more into analog and non-ROMpler territory.
My argument is why not get both? The x versions have the space on the side where you can put a deep mind 12 or any sort of synth. Hydra desktop etc. You could use the x versions as a controller keyboard and even route audio into maybe some kind of effect on the right side. The x version I think is a bang for the buck to get both of them. you can invite friends over and they can play on one and you can play on one. These are the best bang for the buck. The hydrasynth is great of course. and I can't believe novation didn't make a peak version of that size.
I'm really interested in picking up either the Argon 8x or Cobalt 8x my first synth. I really like how they both sound, but does one of these have more sound design possibilities then the other? Or are they pretty close? I really just want a synth that can keep me busy for a long time.
I just recieved the Modal Skulpt, it's currently on sale in the States for $199 USD. Sort of the candy to get people to migrate up to the Cobalt or the Argon. Would love to see a tutorial of this, and don't get me wrong, I love Modal's demo guys but man, they really don't do the best demos in the world.
Sounds richer than the Argon. I do feel that they would have been better to develop the Argon engine as opposed to creating another product tier. Rumour has it the hardware inside is different (more powerful perhaps?) so maybe that’s the reason. Props to you Bo for your as ever detailed overview.
Thanks bo! And if you did mention the minilog. The second is real analog of course. Do you find difference in sound quality? there are many virtual analog synths, some can emulate nice and some are just weak especially the filter.
Anther Great review! You always are definitely one of the best reviewers and RUclipsrs in the synth/EM world. After the teaser Pic with date from Modal on FB I was looking forward to hearing it and the differences between the Argon 8m which I own. I've been checking on Modal's site and RUclips to see / hear it all day. Got your Discord announcement about a new video and lo and behold, my wish was granted. Thanks! Hope your new studio is coming along and you are getting settled. Be well and stay safe! -Dharmadove
By comparison, if you think of the Korg Op6 SE, Cobalt8X and Argon8X..................I reckons that the Cobalt has the vote, and perhaps 1200 pounds remaining in your wallet. Great demo. The warmth does it for me. Argon 8 does seem too cold, too pristine and as you say, glass like. Great comparison demo but does leave you kinda wondering how Korg arrived at the price point it has for the Op6 SE and SE Platinum. Nice one bobeats.
I have an argon 8 m to me they sound very similar very clean and surgical the DNA 🧬 between them is clear. For me the sequencer along with mod lanes and other mod is my fave part although I can’t get my argon to clock properly with cubase it drifts - I find it’s hard to use without the app which really speeds up the process.
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Thanks for that beautiful demo! Let's say someone was looking for a synthesizer and was choosing between the Cobalt8 and the Korg Opsix, which would you recommend to someone just starting out with synthesizers...? Maybe the minilogue...?
@@racebloggen-tv4412 Minilogue XD would be my go to choice, Cobalt8 isn't bad either for starting out. I would not recommend OPsix unless you specifically want FM sounds
Thank you for your response@@BoBeats!
If you had a choice between the hydra synth or the cobalt which would you choose? The cobalt seems special. Especially for its price for the full size x version. Peace Christo👽
For a channel called Bob Eats, you sure do a lot of synth content.
Genius comment 😂🤣
Hahaha 😂😂
This is probably the best RUclips comment of all time.
LOL!!! I'm never going to look at it the same way again. :-)
I know, Should put videos about some tasty food Recipes instead!! 🤣🤣🤣
The sound of the Cobalt is just incredible; I was instantly in love and am buying one after the holidays. Both machines are excellent but I just think the Cobalt sounds sublime. Thanks for the comparison review! 👍👍
I have the Cobalt8 37 key version and love it. It has similar capability to my Novation Ultranova but the interface to change sounds on the fly is way better. I am contemplating buying the full-size Argon8X.
Totally different sounds, thanks for showing this. The Argon has a more aggressive clinical cold sound, whereas the Cobalt a definite warmer fuller smooth sound.
I think plenty of us want more mod slots, too.
Love your closing comment between software vs hardware. As I watch these videos you get the perception that these sounds couldn't possibly get these great sounds out of software. As somebody who started in the painful hardware synth programming world when MIDI just became a thing and watched software synths mature into limitless options I think it's great that hardware manufacturers have taken notes on accessibility and instant satisfaction from software to hardware with the big advantage of tactile control you just can't get with a mouse or even multi-touch screen. Hardware has it's limitations but now its well mapped out and limited options often leads to endless exploring with no end result.
I own an Argon8 and what I can tell about it, is that de Argon8 has a cold sound. Its better with FM-type of sounds, bells, percussion sounds, but it can make pretty nice pad sounds as well, but not as warm as my analog synths, like my Juno-60 or DeepMind12 for example. Its just a nice addition to my setup. I dont think I need the Cobalt8, as I have nice warm analog synths already.
Good one. I was searching for something more ‘cold’ for next to my Deepmind.
The A8 is a little black monster. And for the Cobalt it can only be said again : the days where as purists claim for whatever reason that analog synths sound 'better' are over. Right on top Modal ! Again !
I generally seek out analog synths because you can push the hardware till it starts to distort and saturate, but I'm really impressed by the warmth of the cobalt. Analog filters seem to help a lot, I think the microfreak takes a similar approach
" the days where as purists claim for whatever reason that analog synths sound 'better' are over"
.....um, that is how the first wave of 'modeling' synths in the 1990s were marketed as, too.
The more things change....
Great in-depth video Mr BoBeats. Thank you.
"when you FINALLY finish some of that music you've been working on"
that hit me a little too hard
Was definitely close to home.
_/me looks guiltily at a pile of unfinished song drafts_
I lost track of my "I'll get to it" file structure so long ago😄
Damn. Got those 8 bar blues again.
I don't actually finish music. I just LEARN how to finish music then not apply what I learned.
The Cobalt seems really nice for ambient/space pads. I'd love it - and this is a wish for all slab units out there - if the UI graphic would react and display not just when you turn a control but when you first touch it. This way you could see what a setting is first without changing the value.
Capacitive knobs are expensive and not everyone likes them......
Great video! I love the point at the end about the fact that hardware synths are more than their engines, that they are instruments :)
Algorithm & bass
now I have to get the Cobalt as well.
Thank you so very much for doing this for us, an invaluable service.
I went for the Cobalt 8 and the presets as they are blew my mind honestly this is a fantastic synth.
Thank you so much for this. At 23:22 you made my decision, Cobalt all the way, so Warm, gorgeous sounds.
So nice to see synths coming out with non menu-based mod matrixes. This sounds absolutely lovely. I keep trying to trim my synth collection and then this comes along.
You're not alone. I have way too many synths and another on the way. I'm not even a real musician lol but I love synths.
I accidentally figured out which one I like the best just now. it's like 6:00 in the morning and I have my eyes closed while watching this.he got to the comparison part and I had my eyes closed and as soon as it hit the argon 8I was like wow that's great period and open my eyes. Argon 8 is a great!
They are both very nice synths but the cobalt 8 feels fresh so it will be for sure into my wishlist!
Thanks a lot for the review. It was very informative and also you pointed at good angles for positives and negatives. I think Cobalt 8 has a very nice analogue sounding tone and the virtual instruments are mostly not that warm sounding. The other important thing that you also mentioned at the end, even after mapping the MIDI knobs to plugins, I still find out I can't connect to them emotionally and mentally in a way that I see it as one piece synth machine. The fact that I always have to be in front of my computer monitor to enjoy the instrument is not a personal feeling, rather than you take the device and sit on your bed or take it to a trip, etc. makes a lot of difference of creating a personal experience. Also limitation is good. I play saxophone and if every time I picked the instrument, I was thinking of putting it down and pick up a flute or guitar, etc. probably I wouldn't develop my chops in saxophone. I think restriction of sticking with a hardware synth and get good at it is important. We don't have this opportunity when we keep trying different instrument plugins in the computer. Although, speaking of computer, it would be good to know if they would accept different MIDI channels to play different parts simultaneously (being fed from a few MIDI tracks from a DAW). Thanks again.
Thanks for sharing. This was a very thoughtful comparison of the two units and it leaves it up to our ear. It seems that your musical feel is also growing with each of your videos. Blessings.
Thank you! This was a tremendously helpful comparison!! But now, I want BOTH of them! 😃
typical synth problem! :-D
That patch at 4:55 is crazy awesome! Fascinating step-by-step live comparison! Something did something to my brain when listening to the Cobalt8m, so I just bought one. Out of stock, but say they’ll arrive in April! Can’t bloody wait! 😃😎
Hopefully the next one is the Krypton8, lairy green and does FM.
Krypton isn't an element :P
@@d3tuned378 symbol - Kr. atomic number 36.
Looks promising. I hope they will produce a desktop version of the Cobalt 8.
@Trololo Inc ® I was thinking in investing into a really quality master MIDI keyboard like the Arturia KeyLab MKII or the Novation SL MKIII, that's why I thought having only one keyboard for them all is a good option to save space.
www.modalelectronics.com/cobalt8m/ and there is an X ( 61 note version) as well.
The Cobalt8, to me, seems to appeal to the broader classic synth community. Its a smart move with remakes and retro sounds being so popular at the moment. The Argon looks more like a sound designers tool. Both seem like amazing devices and I think genre may play a big part of which someone may prefer. I'd love to get either but would lean more towards the Argon8.
I would really love to see Modal do a multitimbral unit as well. 4 Part multitimbral with 4 stereo outs would be epic. Hell, even two stereo outs.
Either way, these guys are making beautiful machines. Hats off to them!
I was honestly thinking to bye Argon 8 these days since it seams to me like a fine instrument. Now Cobalt 8 is another option I will have to investigate. :)
Argon8 owner here. Agreed on the need for more mod slots. The reverb DROPS levels as you increase the mix. My personal unit suffered a manufacturing issue with the led light pipes falling out when I flipped it over to clean. Awaiting redesigned pipes from the UK (who knows when that will happen). I do say it's an attractive synth that I love to play and touch. There is a connection. I do agree with the screen pausing for that extra second which is annoying - no need for that. I hope they add some more effects as well (shimmer????). Truly a special synth.
Thanks for this. Really balanced review. Personally I lean more to the Cobalt 8, although I'm not convinced that's not just because it looks so much better!
I like your closing comments about the difference between buying an instrument compared to software equivalents.That is a really good point. VSTs are fine but you do lose that tactile element of playing the real instrument. Thanks for making the point.
I like how and what you say at the end !
That this is a Instrument not just a Software what is runnig inside ..
Thnks for the video
It’s amazing how friendly and accessible this thing presents, yet it has wonderful depth. That combined with how warm it sounds really puts this one on another level to me.
Wow, that synths sound is just beautiful
Having bought my Argon 8 soon after launch, I thought, like many people, the Cobalt 8 was simply a blue version of the Argon 8 so, a big thank you for taking the time to compare them for us..
When we get to the comparison, which must have been taxing to structure, what this seems to show me is that although the architecture is different, if one has a broad experience of making sounds it seems to be possible to achieve roughly the same objective with both but by different means. If there was anything which one could do on the Argon 8 which was impossible on the Cobalt 8 or visa versa, then there would be much more to differentiate them.
After your article, I feel more inclined to recommend the Cobalt 8 to someone who has experienced, for example FM synthesis. I bought my Argon 8 because of a flirtation with wavetable sound construction having recently also bought the Waldorf Blofeld and I think your article shows that we might experiment with any of these, or all and find more advanced pleasing sounds to fit specific needs, using different work flow, than we might on a cruder, analogue emulation synthesiser..
During your summing up you touched on something very important to me. Back in the 80s, I observed how the explosion of digital tech led musicians to use whatever the exciting new stock sounds that arrived with new devices. So, for example, the Roland D50 supplanted the Yamaha DX7 but as soon as the onboard sounds in the Roland became commonplace on the radio, each in turn lost their edge. Almost no-one bothered to learn how to program FM, still fewer Roland's Linear Arithmetic Synthesis. Whereas, in the days before patch storage, a Moog or an ARP Odyssey for example, required the player to understand sound generation and modulation worked and manipulate it, digital developments led musicians to play factory presets.
It wasn't until the dancefloor put live modulation back in fashion and hardware development advanced, that the process of manually evolving sounds could begin to return to fashion, eventually though a new career for synthesiser players had emerged, selling banks of sound, so that those keyboard players with no interest for or no time to dig deeper could search thousands of presets instead of making their own.
Perhaps I will treat myself to the Cobalt 8 M when I feel in need of a new toy to keep me learning
Sounds really sweet! Thank you for the excellent review!
Pretty thorough and good comments pro and con. Thought your conclusion was great: software vs. hardware and the reasons why for both. :)
Awesome to see that Modal has made another synth just in one year after Argon8. They make such nice devices with good workflows. I feel very tempted to one day buy an Argon8. I picked a Wavestate instead of an Argon8 though, and still think that was the better choice for me personally. But that doesn’t mean these Modal synths aren’t tempting..... the jury is still out wether I like the Cobalt8 sonically, I suspect the 34 algorithms can have surprises. So I need to hear more demos, but the Argon8 I definitely like it a lot......
Cobalt8 sounds great!! Definitely wish it had come out sooner as it's a fantastic synth to start analogue with but i still love my DeepMind6. The Argon8 is still at the top of my wishlist.
It’s fantastic!!!! but I was excited at Argon8 because like the Hydrasynth they seem to be a sort of growth spurt in digital synthesis functionality and design! and those synths seem very compelling! so I’m confused why a new virtual analog polysynth? Not super sure it’s covering any new territories!!
Completely wonderful tho
@ 8:55 "The uniqueness comes from the algorithms...Might sound mathematical, but it's really not.." Actually, it really IS, but i get your point! 😃
Thank you .I recently bought Parallels and am pleased with your presets .It was very interesting to see both and many thanks for demonstrating this .Perhaps acquiring both would be a good investment .We are all different .I don't mind that it is sluggish because I am also sluggish .When it comes to creating music I don't want to hurry .I could not put a video together as well as you do .
Thanks buddy! Glad you enjoyed my presets. I think the work I did for Parallels is my best probably
Cobalt sounds nice. I could see it filling a need in my synth studio. It would never replace my true analog synths though.
It is very rich and dramatic sounding. It is the soundtrack for when a wizard gives you a talisman and sends you on a perilous journey.
Great and informative reviews.thank you Loving my A8 and yes more mod slots please
Great mix of sound demos and explanation! Love your videos!
Just picked up a used cobalt 8x 61 key for 525 and I'm loving it so far!
Still loving it
This seems like it's a really good synth for covering the basics of subtractive analog-style sounds. It has all the important stuff in one convenient and reasonably-priced package. It doesn't appear to excel at anything particular, but it seems like a good all-rounder. I'm guessing the main competition are the Minilogue and the Deepmind.
Thanks for the review!
I won't be hesitating to purchase one, different beast from the Argon8, i got the Argon 8x which i'm mightily impressed with, just same chassis and nob layout, brilliant idea i think! great vid Bo ;)
Nob layout. Genius... 🙂
Thanks, Bo. Enjoyed the video, sound demos and comparison. The Argon8 has been on my radar for a while and this is a welcome addition to that line of synths.
I recently got both the Argon and the Cobalt modules because I personally like having options as far as sonic qualities and timbres. I’m the guy who will often say “why not both” instead of “one over the other” =]
And this also includes having hardware and having software 😁
Hi Derek, I picked up both as well; Cobalt 8XL + Argon8 module. They both do so much and have complex sounds. I’m finding less is more and editing patches so they blend together in a more complimentary sonic way. Modal should release a sound bank for those os is using both. How are you blending them? Writing patches from scratch or editing presents?
@@1michaelricci So far, it’s just been a single standalone part from each one. I haven’t made anything yet that has both at once. But who knows =]
Another great review . Your closing remarks are interesting to me as you mention music genre. The music that you do and what I do are completely different. But out of all the reviewers, I find that you cover most things much better than some other. You always surprise me with a sound or two you come up with. Ive bought a couple of things on the strength of your reviews Im liking the Argon 8 .
This synth would be great for trance. I want! But I have too many synths. Thx for the video Bo you do great reviews.
2:10 This is almost exactly the intro of “IT crowd” (series)
Some of those patches sound kinda Waldorfy in a good way
The Argon8 is actually closer to Waldorf sounds because of you know, wavetables.
@@moonsofjupiter yeah but the demos I’ve heard of the argon sound more modern and this one sounds like a Q
I just love the sound of these Argon synths. They sound so hi-fi and lush and clean.
I had never considered getting the Cobalt 8 before. I never cared for the sounds I was hearing in peoples videos. That is until I watched your video. Another video nicely done Bo! I'll end up broke and smiling. Lol "Bo Beats video made me buuyy iiiiiiittttt!" :D
Hey Bo! I'm a little late to this party, but I just picked up an Argon 8 today. Completely agree with your comment on bringing in the distortion to give the synth a bit more body. Typically don't need much, but I find it gives a slightly more "analogue" character while still maintaining some of that complexity.
I'm waiting for the gray edition next year. The Modal Ferrum8 with it’s rusty metallic sound.
I'd think that one would be a shiny Orange. Then there might be the Calcium8, which would be the Grey one, and designed for KP synthesis.
The next one would be a Krypton..
And obviously need to be green..
And FM.
Please modal.. 😎
I like the warm cobalt sound a lot more
Cobalt8 sound huge to me..very impressive sounds !!
I suspect that, when people ask about bass, many are talking less about whether it has low frequencies, and more about whether it can produce unstable distorted sounds which bubble up into the mid range at sub-sonic rates to make it sound like it's out of control. Like a teenage boy trying to sing exactly the wrong note, and cracking... but lower.
This type of sound gives the impression of strong bass, even on cheap speakers which can't produce low frequencies. It rides right on a breaking point, and falters in an unpredictable manner, producing irregular bursts of mid-frequency tones. Each note is different, even when repeated or simply held, because it's chaotic and sends broken tones all over the spectrum.
In contrast, there's the typical digital bass, like the first one shown in this video. It has a strong low-frequency root tone, but it's clean and orderly with a bit of high-frequency buzz in a consistent tidy pattern. It's barely audible on cheap speakers (aside from the buzz on top), and doesn't fling out a mess of mid-range tones in an unstable analog manner.
But that's just a guess. I personally like chaotic wide-spectrum bass sounds which seem like they're always about to fall apart, so I assume that's what other people are looking for too. I could be wrong. :)
I think you give people too much credit here :-) most just ask ”i cant hear any low end is it really good for bass”. I think alot of people listen on airpods or small speakers so bass doesnt translate.
@@BoBeats Ah, perhaps you're right. In that case, I suppose the answer to their question is much simpler:
"Can it do bass?" -> "Yes. Just use the keys on the left side... and get some better headphones."
I've seen multiple "how to make bass" tutorials on youtube which are basically "press the Octave Down button". So I guess it's not obvious to everyone.
I already have an Argon8M, so the keyboard version of this one seems like a great companion.
Maybe wait for the X version though..
I appreciate your review, it was very helpful. About hardware vs. software: software depends on computers, on the other hand, hardware works on its own. I am about to exchange my Mac pro for a new Mac Mini M1, but many of the programs I have will not work because the developers will not make any more updates. On the other hand, the hardware synth I have still works fine. I'll go with Cobalt8 for now, and maybe in the future I'll get an Argon8 or its successor.
even though there are people have done these types of reviews before and you are not necessarily known to be the person; I think you're really coming into your own as a reviewer and demo video person, great job on this one.
Goddamn the effects are fantastic
Ok.
To my ears, Cobalt8 is a polite version of Argon8. Personally, I prefer the Argon, as already have polite well-behaved Roland synths. Does Cobalt8 remind anyone of the rare and expensive Ensoniq Fizmo?
polite, polished, perfect VS dirty, dark and deep 😆
The cobalt8 reminds me of the first virus somehow, but I must admit MODAL does a good job on presets.
Roland seems to invest their time more in recreating their old stuff, so it’s nice to see that MODAL is adding some new stuff however i wish they would have come up with a new design but that is probably depending on production costs
The hardware is identical for both synths. It would be great if two synth engines were available (or upgradeable) in one unit, covering two realms of sound making. That would make this hard to pass up for sure.
For my taste, Cobalt8 is warmer and more alive in sound and feeling. Argon8 has a great sound too, of course, very crisp and clean, just like a digital synth should have, but already having Pigments as my main Wavetable synth, I wouldn’t buy a hardware one. The “blue one” could be instead a nice add on any sound setup, because it’s very peculiar in its concept and it has some features you don’t find in usual virtual analog vst’s.
The Cobalt's filter is a lot nicer - now if I could get the same filter on the Argon I'd be tempted.
Great demo & comparison! 🎵 👍🏼 Thanks. 😌
So I’m assuming the Cobalt8m is slated for sometime in 2021
November.
Announced today.
Not sure about better but I think 'safer' than the Argon8. Sounds great but it's nothing radically new. Nie colour, nice vid Bo.
Very nice! 👍 Keep the great work up Bo!
Hello Bo, a general improvement idea on my side. From user experience point of view, it would be nice to see your view about how well these devices are packed together with knowledge (I mean user manuals, tutorials on company website, anywhere, anything). One thing is to get convinced abour a video like youre, than buy something, and another is to learn how to use it (is it an easy to go exercise or something different). Yes you can turn the knobs all the days, but it does not mean automatically you will ever be a professional and satisfied user of the given device. :-)
A 61 key Cobalt 8X with a few Piano and EP samples would make this a perfect companion to my Argon 8X!!
Very nice. Love Modal synths
This is a very complex synth and really is not for beginners or intermediates. RUclipsrs should say this, its very important.
Software is a bottomless pit if you purchase premium programs. I have 25 years of experience that confirms it! They will need to be updated regularly, often are glitchy when used live, and might not even work at all on a new computer. You might lose the license key and won't be able to upgrade to a new free version. I did that with my ACID PRO program and had to dish out $99 for a new license key after SONY bought the company. Then I had to shell out more cash for 10 years of upgrades to get current. Most music hardware, keyboards, rack-mounted modules, FX pedals that I bought in the1990s still works admirably today. Some have needed free firmware updates, and they don't have the latest MIDI or USB connectors, but they work. (And, yes, I also still have 20-year-old MIDI controllers too.) I had to repair a couple of broken keys, replace a power supply, and replace a display or two, but the hardware itself still works. My one gripe about software programs is that they eventually become obsolete or the PC crashes and all will be lost. Software is a bottomless pit that will eventually cost you money if you try to keep up with the new revisions. (My Atmosphere program cost $399 in 2001 and then became Omnisphere which cost me $199 to upgrade to the new version. Subsequent upgrades have cost me another $150). Those are just a few of the software programs that have cost me more money after the original purchase. The longer you keep software the more it will cost you. GUARANTEED! Otherwise, you must use cheap or free software that sounds like crap. WTF! You can bet that your premium software will lose value starting day one. And more than likely your somewhat expensive hardware will accrue in value over the years. For instance, I bought a Qusimidi Polymorph in 1999 for $1000. It still is in great condition, and since it is a collector's item and very rare I was once offered $2200 for it! I declined. It's priceless and sounds as good or better than any virtual analog synth (digital or otherwise) that I've heard to date! Good luck getting somebody to offer you 120% over the original price for your 20-year-old software!!!
I'm new to the world of mini-synths. You make some interesting points. Thanks.
These two are the end of results of me narrowing down what my next synth will be. I love both, but I think that the Cobalt is more for me than the Argon. I wish I could have both.
Love the video. Thank for putting me on to a new synth. Definitely picking one up in the new year. Me personally, hardware over software.
"Yeah, can it do Really big bass sounds?"
"of course it can🤬" haha, nice review / comparison
Two great sounding synths. I suppose it really comes down to the type of music you make? I would choose the Cobalt8 myself. I would then buy a Korg Wavestate over the Argon8. But that's just me. Great review and comparison, Bo.
I had the Wavestate und Argon8 here 2 days ago... side by side. And i dont want to trashtalk but believe especially in terms of build quality the wavestate is plastic garbage. Its crazy - i was shocked how cheap it is.Dont get me wrong i love Korg. But the wavestate is really is really plastic trash. The keyboard is like a toykeyboard.
@@maycusskywalker3643 The keyboard is really not so nice... but all the other things of Wavestate are outstanding, also if it in a plastic case. The Wavestate is really a special synth, and can't be compared with Modal Argon or Cobalt.
Oh man, Bo... I guess the Cobalt would be really nice for some sweet lofi BOC style ambient music. Just as I thought I would know on what other synth I wanted to spend my 600 Euro synth budget. I had the little Modal Skulpt for some months and it's modulation possibilities where really great, as was the sound, but the menu diving and general handling was not great. Cobalt seems to be much more directly usable, one knob per function style. God I hate those gear decisions ;D
SO grateful! VERY helpful! Thank you! Peace
Buy both problem solved ,fantastic synths
WOW. The Argon8 sounded pretty amazing when you had reviewed it...but the Cobalt8 has piqued my interest! It seems that the slight sluggishness in the menu seems like it may be better suited for a player switching between user-created presets (more my speed! 😂), versus the player that will tweak knobs on the fly?
Great review! Hope you stay safe, stay healthy, and thanks for the G.A.S.! 🤣
I wouldnt have thought so...but I lean toward the Argon! I recently bought Behringer's ARP Odyssey clone. Analog bliss there, but I think maybe Odyssey needs something with more texture than body to compliment it. A wavetable synth can imitate acoustic textures better, IMO. Better at doing bells and percussion, and perhaps better at gritty organs too. And the distortion can help the Argon fill electric guitar-like sounds which I currently use a ROMpler for. I I would almost consider selling my Yamaha ROMpler to buy an Argon and just use that and the Odyssey for awhile and maybe pick up some Roland XV, Motif or Fantom modules to drive with the two keyboards. (I have an SY99 which I'll never sell, though!). I've been playing with that and an MX61 exclusively for about 5 years now. I recently sold a Roland D550 which saw little use to finance the Odyssey. I've been starting to remake myself musically these last few weeks, kind of heading more into analog and non-ROMpler territory.
My argument is why not get both? The x versions have the space on the side where you can put a deep mind 12 or any sort of synth. Hydra desktop etc. You could use the x versions as a controller keyboard and even route audio into maybe some kind of effect on the right side. The x version I think is a bang for the buck to get both of them. you can invite friends over and they can play on one and you can play on one. These are the best bang for the buck. The hydrasynth is great of course. and I can't believe novation didn't make a peak version of that size.
I'm really interested in picking up either the Argon 8x or Cobalt 8x my first synth. I really like how they both sound, but does one of these have more sound design possibilities then the other? Or are they pretty close? I really just want a synth that can keep me busy for a long time.
I suggest you to buy the argon 8
@@eurokush171 Why do you suggest the Argon over the Cobalt? I'm also interested in buying my first synth and not sure about these two...
@Brandon G Thanks.
The oscillator algorithms seem very fun, but the filter could use a little mojo... more interesting than I thought, initially, for a VA synth .
I just recieved the Modal Skulpt, it's currently on sale in the States for $199 USD. Sort of the candy to get people to migrate up to the Cobalt or the Argon. Would love to see a tutorial of this, and don't get me wrong, I love Modal's demo guys but man, they really don't do the best demos in the world.
Good price!!
@@BoBeats It is! Cobalt will be my next purchase.
Sounds richer than the Argon. I do feel that they would have been better to develop the Argon engine as opposed to creating another product tier. Rumour has it the hardware inside is different (more powerful perhaps?) so maybe that’s the reason. Props to you Bo for your as ever detailed overview.
Modal Colbat 8 is on way..
But I think argon it's massive synth to !
great comparsion video. still not sure if i get the cobalt/argon or the hydrasynth
Thanks bo! And if you did mention the minilog. The second is real analog of course. Do you find difference in sound quality? there are many virtual analog synths, some can emulate nice and some are just weak especially the filter.
Anther Great review! You always are definitely one of the best reviewers and RUclipsrs in the synth/EM world.
After the teaser Pic with date from Modal on FB I was looking forward to hearing it and the differences between the Argon 8m which I own. I've been checking on Modal's site and RUclips to see / hear it all day. Got your Discord announcement about a new video and lo and behold, my wish was granted.
Thanks!
Hope your new studio is coming along and you are getting settled. Be well and stay safe!
-Dharmadove
Keen to hear what you think about the comparison and sound difference, since you have the Argon 8M. Let us know
My only criticism on the reviews is that you should itemise the patches you use.
By comparison, if you think of the Korg Op6 SE, Cobalt8X and Argon8X..................I reckons that the Cobalt has the vote, and perhaps 1200 pounds remaining in your wallet. Great demo. The warmth does it for me. Argon 8 does seem too cold, too pristine and as you say, glass like. Great comparison demo but does leave you kinda wondering how Korg arrived at the price point it has for the Op6 SE and SE Platinum. Nice one bobeats.
2:20 Veddy Nice !!!
I need this synthesizer I love it so much it’s a lot of fun Yay cool 🎹🎛🎚🎶🎵🎼🌈😇😍🤩💝🇺🇸💖
Typing just before watching but I know the keyboard and video is going to be good! Thanks👍
I have an argon 8 m to me they sound very similar very clean and surgical the DNA 🧬 between them is clear. For me the sequencer along with mod lanes and other mod is my fave part although I can’t get my argon to clock properly with cubase it drifts - I find it’s hard to use without the app which really speeds up the process.