@@marty2129 I remember Darth Sion he actually was immortal is the only sith not be killed by a sith or Jed. he would get killed then immediately resurrect because he had so much anger and hatred and pain, so when he died he basically said to the force itself I'm not going to die and the force said ok.
@@night3096 yh he's the only one to truly conquer death. He had to let go of his own accord in order for him to die. Always love how his convo with the exile goes at the end of the game and him realising it's not worth it. "I'm glad to leave this place...at last"
@@TY-km8hjyup, you basically tell him that his existence is agony and that it’s not worth living that kind of awful experience. He even seemed like he was thanking you in a way. It was kind of sad…
The Essential Guide to the Force and the 2008 Encyclopedia kind of reaffirm Dark Empire's statement that Sidious had already been using clone bodies before Endor. But Leyland Chee stated it's definitely an in-universe lie so it's kinda up in the air. The actual stories seem to follow Chee on that.
on one side: "it was a lie" sound like a cheap retcon BUT on the other side ... why do we always believe figures in Storys when they say something? It's not that the Politicians that are the Inspiration for the Empire lie when they move their mouth, so why not also In-Universe
I remember the comments that implied Endor wasn't Palpatine's first death - and while I do actually really like the backstory we get in Plaguis - I also feel that the implication that Papatine was actually an anceint evil was a really cool idea. It's classic - the evil demon lord returning every few decades or whatever
In actuality, Palpatine's first death was him tripping on his robe and falling off a railless ledge while half-drunk. ...There's a reason he doesn't talk about it.
Tenebrae actually died for good in his Valkorion form, when the Outlander destroyed his spirit in KOTET. The Tenebrae we see in the mind battle with shan, is a Jor'El-style imprint of his memories.
To be fair, that imprint was eventually going to reconstitute into a full new Tenebrae, so yes that was his final attempt to come back to life, so that’s his final death
@@justintaylor1713 The fairest answer is that we don't know what wouldn've happened. But even if you're right and even if the imprint had the capabilities to become a full-fledhed replica of Tenebrae, it would still be a replica, just as you said, a "new Tenebrae". The og would've still been dead, he was anihilated in KOTET and from his perspective nothing changes that. Just like the physical clones of Jorus or Starkiller change nothing about the og's state of things. So that's by no means a succesful resurrection.
@@emzonik8851 In sci-fi cloning as a storytelling device of perpetual conflict undermines immersion - unless it comes with a spiritual world building. Alas, so it is with any secular utopia in real life. Genetic Engineering is a hype, built on a crude grasp of evolution.
I remember Darth Sion he actually was immortal is the only sith not be killed by a sith or Jed. he would get killed then immediately resurrect because he had so much anger and hatred and pain, so when he died he basically said to the force itself I'm not going to die and the force said ok.
For me Vitiate and Palpatine are the best examples of the sith coming back. They were the most powerful sith lords of their time. Most popular villians such the joker, thanos and others always find a way to come back even if its in seperate universes
0:23 Do you think maybe Palpatine perhaps trained/tested essence transfer by going out of himself and then back into his own body? Then it could technically be true that he ‘had died before’ if by death you mean the soul leaving the body. Then he would still be in his original body on Endor.
@@jigolocana7492 I remember Darth Sion he actually was immortal he would get killed then immediately resurrect, he basically said to the force itself I'm not going to die and the force said ok.
So, Naga Sadow did actually come back as a Sith spirit that possessed the Jedi Eison Gynt, in the Star Wars: The Old Republic Timeline #7. Granted, he was defeated fairly quickly. The ritual Exar Kun used to become a spirit was actually one that had been created by Naga Sadow.
It doesn't matter to the Sith. They'll all end up in a form of chaos or the void anyway. Thank gosh for Supernatural Encounters for "lovingly" revealing that fact. Addendum: Gotta like XoXaan's design.
On your comment about holocrons - that's a fun topic that might be worth doing a vid on itself. I've always thought they were neat but don't actually know much about them myself. Are they just Force super computers?
In canon it's not uncommon for Sith to cling to existence by possessing their masks. The two most prominent examples are A. Lord Momin. He was an unusual Sith in that he was more interested in creation than destruction. He created several intricate devices many of which were created with the intent of freezing time (one of which was recovered by Crimson Dawn who attempted to use it to capture Sidious and Vader). When Momin got himself killed within one of his own contraptions his spirit entered the mask and thousands of years later was discovered by Sidious who gave it to Vader as a gift. Momin's spirit actually designed Vader's Castle all the while he was secretly working to resurrect himself and take over the mantle of Sith Lord. Unfortunately he drastically underestimated Vader leading to him being permanently killed. B. Exim Panshard. He was an ancient Sith Tyrant who was eventually overthrown by those he ruled over and also ended up possessing his mask. With the mask he possessed several people over the years even making it nearly to the sequel era before he was finally stopped for good by Luke Skywalker.
@@DM5550Z Sidious is able to do the same, and both Momin's mask and Exim Panshard's masks can give Force powers to people who couldn't originally touch the Force. This is actually how Momin deceived Vader in the 2017 Vader comic, pretending that he couldn't use the Force when possessing a non-Force sensitive body. Only to betray Vader the moment Vader dropped his guard and left Momin unattended inside Vader's castle (which Momin had been designing with the intent of being able to open up a portal into the dark side itself, sort of an evil World-Between-Worlds).
🤔 . . . I’d say a seemingly insignificant Sith who, despite making a Holocron whose core is a lightsaber crystal that he tasked his droid to put together & put it in itself upon his death. Thus, without possessing any other organic body, this Sith might’ve actually achieved a life after death, but with only two problems that no sane person can go without: fulfilling a hunger because, well, people need to eat, right? And then there is the fact that organisms have a desire to reproduce & produce offspring, which the Sith, unlike the Jedi, did more often. Basically, due to being Sith, these things would drive normal people mad, therefore its quite a miracle that this Sith didn’t go crazy, at least too crazy, for living eternally by having his lightsaber crystal be the core of a Sith Holocron which, in turn, is/was the droid’s power & memory core, only transferring to other newer droids when the chassis was getting too worn & such…
1) Where do you find information on the period between the end of the Dawn of the Jedi comics and the formation of the Republic? And on the New Sith Wars prior to Knight Errant and the Bane trilogy? 2) Is history so well known, that Luke, and by extension, the Rebels, should have known to never go to Yavin? Or is it completely idiotic that the Rebels then relocated their base to the Icy Grand Central Station, so famous, a Jedi General millennia later would be named *after* the planet?
The Rebels would have had no idea that the temples on Yavin IV were built by the Sith. By the time of the OT that was ancient history, and after the Jedi defeated Exar-kun they wiped out any mention of the system from the records to keep anyone else from coming into contact with some Dark Side presence that might have remained. The system would be rediscovered centuries later, but since the previous records were wiped the origin of the temples remained a mystery. The Rebels chose it as their hiding place because it was an obscure system in the ass-end of nowhere where the Empire would be unlikely to accidentally stumble onto them. Luke putting his academy there was a dumb move, though. The Rebels would have had no way of knowing about the history of the place but you'd think Luke, being a fully trained Jedi master at this point, would have been able to sense the Dark Side presence emanating from the temple literally next door to his academy. Though given how many Sith Lords seem to linger on after death, I get the feeling discovering ancient Sith spirits in your basement is just the Star Wars equivalent of finding your house has a mold issue. Had founded the academy on some other planet he probably would still have ended up next to the tomb of some different Sith Lord.
You mentioned darth krayt but didn’t have him on the list, and tbh aside from vitiate/tenebrae he probably did it best he was able to heal his body from death and beyond that improved his overall health to a degree such that he stated he was so much more than he had ever been.
I think that's exactly why he wasn't mentioned on the list. It's kinda vague if Krayt actually died-died or was just brought to the brink of death, and either way he kept using his own original body. This list is more about Sith who used essence transfer to jump from body to body to come back long after their actual deaths. Krayt just patched his own body back up when it should have died. In that regard, he's more similar to Sion, who was so filled with hate that he simply wouldn't let his body die.
Does anyone know if Jedi force ghosts have any set legrnds rules? Listening to Tapcaf about the various students Luke had, ive aleays wondered why ghost Yoda or Obiwan werent popping in as guedt professors. Maybe they would have told Luke to stop trying to bang his students, so he never asked.
The Thrawn Trilogy starts with Obi-Wan visiting Luke in his dreams to tell him that his time has run out. Luke also mentions that he never saw Yoda or Anakin's force ghosts after Endor.
@Sephiroth144 that's not even a counterpoint that's the straight truth 😄 I see it like poker hands, one beats another, the original is the hand that can't be beat.
Regarding Arden Lynn and Xendor, I think calling them "sith" is perfectly fine. "Sith" really just means "dark side force user" at the end of the day. Even the people who actually call themselves Sith can't agree on what it means to be Sith
Look how many sith came back from the dead in legends for canon do not aspect the same treatment..... so many sith coming back from the dead it takes away from palpatine and plaquis trying to search for immortality
I find it funny how Naga Sadow, despite his importance in the history of the ancient Sith, has what is essentially an offscreen death.
That bogus pun got a chuckle out of me
Q: "How Sith try to conquer death?"
A. "Poorly."
@@marty2129 I remember Darth Sion he actually was immortal is the only sith not be killed by a sith or Jed. he would get killed then immediately resurrect because he had so much anger and hatred and pain, so when he died he basically said to the force itself I'm not going to die and the force said ok.
@@night3096 yh he's the only one to truly conquer death. He had to let go of his own accord in order for him to die. Always love how his convo with the exile goes at the end of the game and him realising it's not worth it. "I'm glad to leave this place...at last"
They do better than most.
@@TY-km8hjyup, you basically tell him that his existence is agony and that it’s not worth living that kind of awful experience. He even seemed like he was thanking you in a way. It was kind of sad…
The Essential Guide to the Force and the 2008 Encyclopedia kind of reaffirm Dark Empire's statement that Sidious had already been using clone bodies before Endor. But Leyland Chee stated it's definitely an in-universe lie so it's kinda up in the air. The actual stories seem to follow Chee on that.
on one side: "it was a lie" sound like a cheap retcon BUT on the other side ... why do we always believe figures in Storys when they say something? It's not that the Politicians that are the Inspiration for the Empire lie when they move their mouth, so why not also In-Universe
"which was bogus" 🤣🤣🤣
Somehow returning is something that sith just do.
Classic Corey's segway into asking people to like and subscribe
I remember the comments that implied Endor wasn't Palpatine's first death - and while I do actually really like the backstory we get in Plaguis - I also feel that the implication that Papatine was actually an anceint evil was a really cool idea.
It's classic - the evil demon lord returning every few decades or whatever
Cosmic Horror.
In actuality, Palpatine's first death was him tripping on his robe and falling off a railless ledge while half-drunk.
...There's a reason he doesn't talk about it.
@michaelramon2411 🤣
I am not a Rakghoul and I say this is the best channel on Coruscant
That's something a rakghoul would say......
*Plinkett voice* No one’s ever really gone
the jokes are on point this video 😂
Tenebrae actually died for good in his Valkorion form, when the Outlander destroyed his spirit in KOTET. The Tenebrae we see in the mind battle with shan, is a Jor'El-style imprint of his memories.
To be fair, that imprint was eventually going to reconstitute into a full new Tenebrae, so yes that was his final attempt to come back to life, so that’s his final death
@@justintaylor1713 The fairest answer is that we don't know what wouldn've happened. But even if you're right and even if the imprint had the capabilities to become a full-fledhed replica of Tenebrae, it would still be a replica, just as you said, a "new Tenebrae". The og would've still been dead, he was anihilated in KOTET and from his perspective nothing changes that. Just like the physical clones of Jorus or Starkiller change nothing about the og's state of things. So that's by no means a succesful resurrection.
@@emzonik8851
In sci-fi cloning as a storytelling device of perpetual conflict undermines immersion - unless it comes with a spiritual world building.
Alas, so it is with any secular utopia in real life. Genetic Engineering is a hype, built on a crude grasp of evolution.
@@christophmahler Alright, but what does it have to do with what I said?
I remember Darth Sion he actually was immortal is the only sith not be killed by a sith or Jed. he would get killed then immediately resurrect because he had so much anger and hatred and pain, so when he died he basically said to the force itself I'm not going to die and the force said ok.
For me Vitiate and Palpatine are the best examples of the sith coming back. They were the most powerful sith lords of their time. Most popular villians such the joker, thanos and others always find a way to come back even if its in seperate universes
“Don’t make choices seems like pretty bad advice”
…Have you heard the average Sith thought process?
0:23 Do you think maybe Palpatine perhaps trained/tested essence transfer by going out of himself and then back into his own body? Then it could technically be true that he ‘had died before’ if by death you mean the soul leaving the body. Then he would still be in his original body on Endor.
My favorite is definitely Tenebrae, dude is like a cockroach and keeps coming back.
My favorite is Darth Tenebris who got his ass trapped in a Time Loop
Strange that the Sith did not embrace death as passionately as they embraced the power of the force which both life created.
you forgot to add one of the most badass sith, Darth Marr
@@jigolocana7492 I remember Darth Sion he actually was immortal he would get killed then immediately resurrect, he basically said to the force itself I'm not going to die and the force said ok.
So, Naga Sadow did actually come back as a Sith spirit that possessed the Jedi Eison Gynt, in the Star Wars: The Old Republic Timeline #7. Granted, he was defeated fairly quickly. The ritual Exar Kun used to become a spirit was actually one that had been created by Naga Sadow.
WOW what video. A banger!
Mysterious inner voice: 'Meet me at Jedi Academy...'
Hello from Dromund Kaas Dark Temple
An hour long Corey video? Don't tempt me with a good time.
What about Krayt?
Dude what if Tenebrae is also Palpatine. That's what Palpatine was talking about when he said he died before.
Khem Val would be your most loyal liker and subscriber and this is how you treat him?
It doesn't matter to the Sith. They'll all end up in a form of chaos or the void anyway. Thank gosh for Supernatural Encounters for "lovingly" revealing that fact.
Addendum: Gotta like XoXaan's design.
9:29 Leonardo DiCaprio moment
On your comment about holocrons - that's a fun topic that might be worth doing a vid on itself. I've always thought they were neat but don't actually know much about them myself. Are they just Force super computers?
In canon it's not uncommon for Sith to cling to existence by possessing their masks. The two most prominent examples are
A. Lord Momin. He was an unusual Sith in that he was more interested in creation than destruction. He created several intricate devices many of which were created with the intent of freezing time (one of which was recovered by Crimson Dawn who attempted to use it to capture Sidious and Vader). When Momin got himself killed within one of his own contraptions his spirit entered the mask and thousands of years later was discovered by Sidious who gave it to Vader as a gift. Momin's spirit actually designed Vader's Castle all the while he was secretly working to resurrect himself and take over the mantle of Sith Lord. Unfortunately he drastically underestimated Vader leading to him being permanently killed.
B. Exim Panshard. He was an ancient Sith Tyrant who was eventually overthrown by those he ruled over and also ended up possessing his mask. With the mask he possessed several people over the years even making it nearly to the sequel era before he was finally stopped for good by Luke Skywalker.
Nihilus way is next level power because he can make non force sensitives force sensitive.
@@DM5550Z Sidious is able to do the same, and both Momin's mask and Exim Panshard's masks can give Force powers to people who couldn't originally touch the Force. This is actually how Momin deceived Vader in the 2017 Vader comic, pretending that he couldn't use the Force when possessing a non-Force sensitive body. Only to betray Vader the moment Vader dropped his guard and left Momin unattended inside Vader's castle (which Momin had been designing with the intent of being able to open up a portal into the dark side itself, sort of an evil World-Between-Worlds).
Vitiate possibly is the most somehow returned culprit.
🤔 . . . I’d say a seemingly insignificant Sith who, despite making a Holocron whose core is a lightsaber crystal that he tasked his droid to put together & put it in itself upon his death. Thus, without possessing any other organic body, this Sith might’ve actually achieved a life after death, but with only two problems that no sane person can go without: fulfilling a hunger because, well, people need to eat, right? And then there is the fact that organisms have a desire to reproduce & produce offspring, which the Sith, unlike the Jedi, did more often. Basically, due to being Sith, these things would drive normal people mad, therefore its quite a miracle that this Sith didn’t go crazy, at least too crazy, for living eternally by having his lightsaber crystal be the core of a Sith Holocron which, in turn, is/was the droid’s power & memory core, only transferring to other newer droids when the chassis was getting too worn & such…
1) Where do you find information on the period between the end of the Dawn of the Jedi comics and the formation of the Republic? And on the New Sith Wars prior to Knight Errant and the Bane trilogy?
2) Is history so well known, that Luke, and by extension, the Rebels, should have known to never go to Yavin? Or is it completely idiotic that the Rebels then relocated their base to the Icy Grand Central Station, so famous, a Jedi General millennia later would be named *after* the planet?
I mean, once you go through at least 1000 years of history, kinda understandable some things get forgotten
The Rebels would have had no idea that the temples on Yavin IV were built by the Sith. By the time of the OT that was ancient history, and after the Jedi defeated Exar-kun they wiped out any mention of the system from the records to keep anyone else from coming into contact with some Dark Side presence that might have remained. The system would be rediscovered centuries later, but since the previous records were wiped the origin of the temples remained a mystery. The Rebels chose it as their hiding place because it was an obscure system in the ass-end of nowhere where the Empire would be unlikely to accidentally stumble onto them.
Luke putting his academy there was a dumb move, though. The Rebels would have had no way of knowing about the history of the place but you'd think Luke, being a fully trained Jedi master at this point, would have been able to sense the Dark Side presence emanating from the temple literally next door to his academy.
Though given how many Sith Lords seem to linger on after death, I get the feeling discovering ancient Sith spirits in your basement is just the Star Wars equivalent of finding your house has a mold issue. Had founded the academy on some other planet he probably would still have ended up next to the tomb of some different Sith Lord.
You mentioned darth krayt but didn’t have him on the list, and tbh aside from vitiate/tenebrae he probably did it best he was able to heal his body from death and beyond that improved his overall health to a degree such that he stated he was so much more than he had ever been.
I think that's exactly why he wasn't mentioned on the list. It's kinda vague if Krayt actually died-died or was just brought to the brink of death, and either way he kept using his own original body. This list is more about Sith who used essence transfer to jump from body to body to come back long after their actual deaths. Krayt just patched his own body back up when it should have died. In that regard, he's more similar to Sion, who was so filled with hate that he simply wouldn't let his body die.
Does anyone know if Jedi force ghosts have any set legrnds rules? Listening to Tapcaf about the various students Luke had, ive aleays wondered why ghost Yoda or Obiwan werent popping in as guedt professors. Maybe they would have told Luke to stop trying to bang his students, so he never asked.
The Thrawn Trilogy starts with Obi-Wan visiting Luke in his dreams to tell him that his time has run out. Luke also mentions that he never saw Yoda or Anakin's force ghosts after Endor.
Those comics are more canon than anything else, fite me. 😎
Counterpoint: The original trilogy is more canon than the comics.
@Sephiroth144 that's not even a counterpoint that's the straight truth 😄 I see it like poker hands, one beats another, the original is the hand that can't be beat.
@@sheevpalpatine2128 True- but you said "More canon that ANYTHING else"
You kinda set yourself up =p
Cool vid, but this list left out darth tenebrous, darth krayt, darth maul, darth marr...
MASTERS OF TERAS KASI MENTION 🙀
Regarding Arden Lynn and Xendor, I think calling them "sith" is perfectly fine. "Sith" really just means "dark side force user" at the end of the day. Even the people who actually call themselves Sith can't agree on what it means to be Sith
I'm so angry that I'm notating my irate state in the comments
Grrr *angry comment*
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Gods, my most hated and disliked trope, “just bring back the death bad guy without any kind of previous foreshadowing basically retconing their death”
Look how many sith came back from the dead in legends
for canon
do not aspect the same treatment.....
so many sith coming back from the dead
it takes away from palpatine and plaquis trying to search for immortality