@QuadKillerExtreme the 177gr Peregrine Glider is loaded to a COAL of 3.47" but that is not the limitation. The action is a single feed only. There is no cutaway for a magazine as with normal rifle actions.
Most of the rifles are built for PRS. Max is 10 rounds in the mag, so with 12 shots it's easier to keep track if you can see how many shots you have taken by ammo left in the box.
..284 will never out perform a 338 lapua... the 338 lapua have less versatility based on the projectile weights... 250-300 gr... 250@3000 and 300@2700 A true apples to apples comparison will be a cartridge base don the same parent case, or similar... with equivalent bullet weights and powder charged....the term out perform means that it is "better" in certain ways.... i.e. i do believe the 300 prc gives the 338 lapua a good run for its money, and exceeding the 338 in performance past 1000m Also, my comment is not biased, as i own 284, 338 and 50. A comparison can only be made if you take into consideration the variables that will be compared such as, projectile weight, velocity, case capacity, est. barrel life. - weight and velocity will equate to energy delivery - case capacity, powder charge given the bullet weight equates to efficiency TLDR: 284 will never out perform a 338 lapua magnum, don't be sold such snake oil statements. Wonderful video and very well produced!! keep up the good work!!
The Peregrine 177gr has a G7 BC of .409. I can shoot it at 2940ft/sec using H4350 or even faster when using N560. This equals less wind drift than the 338 lapua shooting 300gr Berger (G7 BC of .421) at 2725ft/sec. Run the numbers yourself. Hell, I can even shoot the 190gr ATips at 2820ft/sec which has a G7 BC of .422 which will also deliver less wind drift and require less elevation than the 338. At no point was this an energy discussion. No lies were told.
@@francoisdavel1786 Thanks for your response. Although the numbers are good... Solid Copper monolithic has a specific gravity (SG) of 8.3g/cm3....lead core (like the 300gr berger... is 11.3 g/cm3) this means, that if you need to compose the same bullet in length and diamter, the copper will weigh less more, thus copper monolithics is more slender... and therefore overall have a higher ballistic coefficient... the led core bullets .. is much more of a stubby short bullet when compared to copper monolithic (no keep this in mind) - the comparison you made was between a copper monolithic and a led core bullet... Now lets do an apples-to-apples 284 WIN VS 338 LAPUA MAGNUM (VARIABLES) - Both Shooting the best Copper Monolithics avaialble... - Both Shooting the closest weight if possible - Muzzle Velocities - Wind Drift - Energy 284WIN = PEREGRINE 177gr @ 2940fps G1 BC: 409 338 LAPUA MAG = CUTTING EDGE 200gr @ 3200fps G1 BC: 438 - it is with no doubt. that the 338 lapua, can push a heavier bullet faster. (once you can appreciate this fact, then the rest of the variables mentioned above is irrelevant, because it is all inter-connected) - Heavier bullets will generally have higher ballistic co-efficients given that the diameter stays the same - At higher muzzle velocity, with higher Ballistic co-efficient projectiles, it will have less wind drift - At higher muzzle velocity, with higher weight bullets, more energy will be delivered at any given range. Although the 284 is a very capable, efficient cartridge .... it will NEVER out perform a 338 Lapua Magnum Kind Regards, Francois
@@FrancoisLangeveld you are right in the sense of it not being an apples to apples comparison but not for the reasons you listed. My 284win with the 177gr Peregrine glider will out shoot a 338 lapua shooting the 200gr cutting edge bullet even better because the G7 BC of the cutting edge is in fact only .224 which is almost half my .409 G7 bc. I only use G7 drag models when comparing performance. However, the 338 will outperform the 284 win if you can get a peregrine reamer and 1:9 twist barrel and shoot the 305gr .338 Perergine Glider (G7 BC of .480)
@@francoisdavel1786 I do however want to acknowledge your argument.... your 284 is out-performing a 300gr bullet shot from 338LM regarding wind-drift, yes... this is confirmed based on the velocities, bc, and bullet weights both is being fired at. also, good shooting!
@@FrancoisLangeveld thank you. Its alot of fun. Get out there! Just FYI, in the context of the G7 drag model, the sectional density of the projectile is already included in the ballistic coefficient (BC). The ballistic coefficient itself is a measure that incorporates both the sectional density and the shape of the projectile.
Great fun, awesome to see, bloopers at the end😂
Nicley done. Nicely produced too.
Nice I enjoy seeing this from afar
Thx Hendrik, great challenge, and I believe it will go from strength to strength.
What distance was that ?
@@QuadKillerExtreme 500 yards (457m)
Just short of 500m, 500 yards.
Hi Hendrik. Waar kan ek inskryf vir die challenge?
@@edwinharms587 boodskap my 0605462336
I don't get it,a magazine rifle and single feed.Some
very nice shooting thou.
Are you talking about the guy that shot first?
Round is too long for the magazine ?
@QuadKillerExtreme the 177gr Peregrine Glider is loaded to a COAL of 3.47" but that is not the limitation. The action is a single feed only. There is no cutaway for a magazine as with normal rifle actions.
Most of the rifles are built for PRS. Max is 10 rounds in the mag, so with 12 shots it's easier to keep track if you can see how many shots you have taken by ammo left in the box.
..284 will never out perform a 338 lapua... the 338 lapua have less versatility based on the projectile weights... 250-300 gr... 250@3000 and 300@2700 A true apples to apples comparison will be a cartridge base don the same parent case, or similar... with equivalent bullet weights and powder charged....the term out perform means that it is "better" in certain ways.... i.e. i do believe the 300 prc gives the 338 lapua a good run for its money, and exceeding the 338 in performance past 1000m Also, my comment is not biased, as i own 284, 338 and 50.
A comparison can only be made if you take into consideration the variables that will be compared such as, projectile weight, velocity, case capacity, est. barrel life.
- weight and velocity will equate to energy delivery
- case capacity, powder charge given the bullet weight equates to efficiency
TLDR: 284 will never out perform a 338 lapua magnum, don't be sold such snake oil statements.
Wonderful video and very well produced!! keep up the good work!!
The Peregrine 177gr has a G7 BC of .409. I can shoot it at 2940ft/sec using H4350 or even faster when using N560. This equals less wind drift than the 338 lapua shooting 300gr Berger (G7 BC of .421) at 2725ft/sec. Run the numbers yourself. Hell, I can even shoot the 190gr ATips at 2820ft/sec which has a G7 BC of .422 which will also deliver less wind drift and require less elevation than the 338. At no point was this an energy discussion. No lies were told.
@@francoisdavel1786 Thanks for your response. Although the numbers are good... Solid Copper monolithic has a specific gravity (SG) of 8.3g/cm3....lead core (like the 300gr berger... is 11.3 g/cm3)
this means, that if you need to compose the same bullet in length and diamter, the copper will weigh less more, thus copper monolithics is more slender... and therefore overall have a higher ballistic coefficient... the led core bullets .. is much more of a stubby short bullet when compared to copper monolithic (no keep this in mind)
- the comparison you made was between a copper monolithic and a led core bullet... Now lets do an apples-to-apples
284 WIN VS 338 LAPUA MAGNUM (VARIABLES)
- Both Shooting the best Copper Monolithics avaialble...
- Both Shooting the closest weight if possible
- Muzzle Velocities
- Wind Drift
- Energy
284WIN =
PEREGRINE 177gr @ 2940fps G1 BC: 409
338 LAPUA MAG =
CUTTING EDGE 200gr @ 3200fps G1 BC: 438
- it is with no doubt. that the 338 lapua, can push a heavier bullet faster. (once you can appreciate this fact, then the rest of the variables mentioned above is irrelevant, because it is all inter-connected)
- Heavier bullets will generally have higher ballistic co-efficients given that the diameter stays the same
- At higher muzzle velocity, with higher Ballistic co-efficient projectiles, it will have less wind drift
- At higher muzzle velocity, with higher weight bullets, more energy will be delivered at any given range.
Although the 284 is a very capable, efficient cartridge .... it will NEVER out perform a 338 Lapua Magnum
Kind Regards,
Francois
@@FrancoisLangeveld you are right in the sense of it not being an apples to apples comparison but not for the reasons you listed. My 284win with the 177gr Peregrine glider will out shoot a 338 lapua shooting the 200gr cutting edge bullet even better because the G7 BC of the cutting edge is in fact only .224 which is almost half my .409 G7 bc.
I only use G7 drag models when comparing performance. However, the 338 will outperform the 284 win if you can get a peregrine reamer and 1:9 twist barrel and shoot the 305gr .338 Perergine Glider (G7 BC of .480)
@@francoisdavel1786 I do however want to acknowledge your argument.... your 284 is out-performing a 300gr bullet shot from 338LM regarding wind-drift, yes... this is confirmed based on the velocities, bc, and bullet weights both is being fired at.
also, good shooting!
@@FrancoisLangeveld thank you. Its alot of fun. Get out there!
Just FYI, in the context of the G7 drag model, the sectional density of the projectile is already included in the ballistic coefficient (BC). The ballistic coefficient itself is a measure that incorporates both the sectional density and the shape of the projectile.