Jxmy Highroller is probably the best NBA content creator just because of the sheer amount of work he puts into each video to make sure it is to absolute perfection.
He puts a lot of effort but he contradicts himself with these type of ranking videos. He’s a lot better at reading stats then trying to come up with a good nba take
@@bullshark3771 Magic got a FMVP as a rookie…don’t ever disrespect that man like that; ben Simmons can’t even get to the finals with some of the deepest rosters in the NBA in Philly
@@Udon_Noodle Robert Horry has more rings than Kobe Jordan Steph Lebron KD and Magic so does that make him better because he has better stats 💀🤦♂️ stfu
Idk why they’re acting like it’s so absurd for Jxmy to leave out post season success. He’s saying greatest INDIVIDUAL season. You can have a great INDIVIDUAL season but if you’re surrounded by a shitty squad than your post season success is most likely limited.
The fact that people think it's defensively skewed when you get points for leading the league in points and assists but not blocks and steals, and that ppg and apg account for more than 25% of most people's total score is mind boggling. A guy could win defensive player of the year, be 1st team all defense, lead the league in blocks and steals and that is still worth less to the total score than averaging 16pts and 5 assists per game
that is true, I don't think it's skewed towards defense because you get a lot of points from points/assists, but it's probably fair to say it is skewed towards DPOY winners, as winning a DPOY is effectively worth 20 points. Would you rather have someone averaging 30-5-12 with average defense (not all-nba caliber), or someone averaging 14-10-3 plus the DPOY? Those two have the same points, but I think in most scenarios, one would pick player A.
@@tmjz7327 that could be seems true, even I personally thought he should reduce the points for those, but balances it out decently when you consider most of these guys are 25+ scorers anyway. Looking at the top 50 only 5 seasons are held by DPOY winners. Jordan 88, Giannis 2020, Olajuwon 93 and 94, Robinson 92
@@treyboy8732 its just that it's designed to make being the best defender add so much more, Jimmy is known to think mj is better than Bron. If you changed it to favor Brons talents over mj's, like playoff success, or compared to just team talent. Bron could look worlds better
Considering that this is a look at the best individual REGULAR SEASONS of all-time and it's only using certain stats to determine the metric, this all makes sense. Obviously, the numbers constantly support the agenda that it was indeed Michael Jordan's world and we were all just living in it. However, this does put into perspective just how close some of those MVP races were in some of those seasons. For example, the 2018-19 season. It was between Giannis and James Harden for the MVP race, and Giannis won the award. Looking at it from Jxmmy's season score, Harden had 121.3 and Giannis had a score of 120.9. I would say that the season scores were so close, that just based off of that metric you could not go wrong with either of them to win. Same could be said for the 2020-21 MVP race (Jokic 113.0 and Giannis 114.0). In both seasons, both the number one and number two player, were just so close to each other, that it made the decision just that difficult. Dope video overall from Jxmmy, showcasing exactly why he is indeed one of the GOATs of NBA RUclips.
@@diltberg9627 MJ played against old crack heads and and scrawny white janitors😂what's your point...lebron plays against over paid high school kids...and g league pot heads💀💀
"Jimmy's score" is BULLSHIT. He simply cherrypicked Jordan's MEDIA AWARDS and gave him ten points for each dubious award. I mean, 20 points for BOTH All Defense and DPOY, both media awards, but leading the league inpoints, rebounds AND assists is worth ONE QUARTER of the total for two media awards? It's a JOKE.
I think the point of the video was to see what score the best NBA players could get in a single season both offensivly as well as defensivly, lets take a guy like Rodman for example the man dindt score a lot and most of it was due his own choice but no one can argue his impact on the game especially on defense, the all stars games MVP i agree is a bit much cause things like minutes played could afect how much u can score. But in the end its just mindblowing how unreal MJ numbers can get, no matter what stat u pick or metric u use MJ insane prodution is incredible and the fact that this man dindt play for 20 seasons and took time away from the league and still tops the chart?
@@dododump3144 are you?… what? Do you think I’m defending PER or do you think I’m making an objective comment about not naming the player with the greatest PER average in NBA history?
@@xonfire1 it went right over his head lmao. you're basically saying "given the criteria you should of guess Jordan" not that the criteria is perfect lol.
MJ 88-89 season is crazy. 32/8/8, all defensive team. The fact he didn't win the MVP was egregious. Nobody had a better season that year but Magic got the MVP over him. I was typing this right as it was covered in the video lol. Edit: I've always said if MJ got the MVP every season he should have, the GOAT debate wouldn't even be a debate anymore. If Lebron got it every year he should have, then second place wouldn't be a debate either.
It’s so bizarre to factor in postseason success in an individual season metric since getting to the postseason is highly dependent on your team. Let’s not forget that you have four other guys who have to contribute for you to even get there.
The strength of the team factors into the player's individual numbers hence why Harden's MVP looked so inflated because he was the entire Rockets offense. Higher usage rate means more opportunities to have bigger numbers. It is the same reason why Luka has massive numbers is because he is the focal point of the Mavericks team.
I literally commented on that video. How you gone include All star game mvp and not regular season or finals mvp. The criteria is so odd and then include DPOY but not scoring titles or being first team all nba. Individual should be a accumulation of everything one accomplished in a season on both the offensive and defensive side
Exactly. And the criteria of "won't include MVP because the voters decide and it's not always fair" like the DPOY isn't voted by THE SAME EXACT PEOPLE THAT MESS UP WITH THE MVPS
I doubt including asg mvp changed much, but yeah taking away all nba team was kinda weird. He should’ve just not include mvp and dpoy and kept all-nba/all-defense cuz if they had that crazy of a season they would atleast get 2nd team. Also he has “leading the nba in points” so he does include scoring titles.
All star game MVP is odd, but including regular season MVP is stupid asf for obvious reasons. I guess asg mvp is included because it used to be really competitive and shows a players ability to play well in big games since it used to be taken very seriously. Either way, those 5 points wouldn't make much of a difference anyways.
I get the all-star game MVP shouldn't count but like somebody else said it probably didn't swing to much in most cases. PRA is heavily skewed to the offensive side since points is the biggest contributor when it comes to all time level players and players did get points for leading the league in a points, rebounds or assists. I think it evens out a lot in the end but if I would change anything I would include all nba selections alongside all defensive teams selections and weigh the points based on if it was 1st team, 2nd team etc. and replace ASG-MVP with regular season MVP. MVP and DPOY would both be 5 points because it is voted. Also include points for leading the league in blocks and steals.
This criteria has its issues, but it we for example took off ASGMVP and DPOY then added All-NBA teams, I don't know if it would've been very different. Maybe some DPOY seasons get moved down a bit, but they would still be on the list.
Lots of problems, if you care about objectivity, you need to ignore mvp,dpoy and other awards. Counting these awards basically means you give 10 points to the leagues favourite player and 0 points to the leagues second favourite player. It's also funny how jimmy acts like advanced stats with the sole purpose of meausuring individual performance don't exist. Maybe the video just ain't as interesting if you just copy-paste everyone's PER or +-.
@@matthewking7571 No matter how you put it Mj would have came out on top Mj from 1987-1993 is easily the best we have seen and I am not even talking about Mj from 1996-1998 where he won 3 rings 3 fmvps 2 league mvps 3 scoring titles 3 first team defense 2 all star mvps
The video was great. Y'all stop it. Must be LeFlop fans, tbh...who are the worst and most annoying basketball fans of all time, btw. Jimmy did fantastic. Hush.
Thanks to Jxmy Highroller, we all know that MJ had 11 of his 13 full seasons with the Bulls make this list...how insane is that?? No one else has more than 5 on this list...because basketball is a Team sport, this list points out just how important it is for players to play both sides of the ball, and do it effectively...MJ set the bar really high and it doesn't look like anyone is catching him anytime soon...
I don't really consider this heavily defense skewed. Defense is half the game. He's not counting steals or blocks because Steals and blocks are low regardless of how good of a Defender you are compared to points rebounds and assists. The only thing you can do is add dpoy to compensate
@@luminousrxk7288 They are popularity contests most of the time. The REAL measure of defensive ability os metrics, and Jordan had MEDIOCRE defensive metrics most of his career.
At the beginning I thought it was heavily skewed towards defense as well until we got to the end and saw no duncan or kawhi in the top 50. And in all honesty, there are actually not a crazy amount of top tier defensive players at the top to make me think that defense is that heavily favored in this thought experiment. It may not be perfect but this man may be on to something
The other part was having big numbers, some advanced stats, and awards. None of the players you said, had those. Jimmy kinda picked the things that favored mj
@Tperfect You talking about 05-06 when kobe leading the Lakers to a solid 7th seed? Really deserved the mvp there man, 100% over guys like Nash, Dirk, or Bron.
@somerandomcanuck9432 it's about the context man. That team is a high lottery squad without kobe. He was dropping 35 a game AND playing lockdown defense while facilitating. Also he was basically his teams only option. That lakers squad was one of the worst of all time in terms of supporting cast. Also they were in the best Western conference of all time. Those other teams you mentioned had far better teams relatively speaking. No other player has meant so much to a team with the possible exceptions of 94 Hakeem and 98 Mike.
@@sadoubarry7150 I don't think voter fatigue is a thing after the first mvp. I think it's only a thing after the second or third. Maybe that's just me tho
“Best individual seasons” shouldn’t include playoffs cuz then it wouldn’t be fair for players who played great with terrible teams, but having mvp and keeping dpoy is stupid.
@@kyur__3597 “league leader in points, rebounds, OR assists” so yeah he did include scoring and assists leaders. Don’t know why SOLZ and Sage said it was points rebounds and assists
I’ve actually never seen that in this comment section 🤯. Just like I’ve never seen somebody average a triple double while being a great father for a whole season.
@@Dan-dz9nn I mean sure its not a perfect system but I would say with rest of scoring and assist having so much spotlight only 2 section combined having equal value isnt crazy. Also steph and players like Nickola are glitches in matrix like off ball stuff which isnt recorded will always be reason why eye test is also needed
@harsh Verma tbh I didn't like that someone like trae young would get the same score for defense as someone who is barely not an all defensive team player. Overall the criteria are pretty bad but I don't see how you could make it much better with a one size fits all approach And offense is very highly valued here I wouldn't be surprised if wilts 50 point season would score similarly to Jordans despite there only being records of 5 of the 9 categories in that season
@@kauffamn1016 you can ignore “facts” per is made for jordan the way vorp is made for bron they’re both the highest in both advanced stats and per is very old so vorp is more reliable
14:55 “with a 14 year career” if you really think about it MJ only played 11 full regular seasons with the Bulls and all 11 of those seasons are on this list
It's hella ironic that the best stretch of years for Jordan includes a bunch of years where he didn't even win a title, whereas if we want to be real with this whole peak for peak shit, lebron went to 9 straight finals. Once again, EVERYONE FAVORS JORDAN. The not including playoffs success is mind bogglingly weird. I will undoubtedly scream my goat from the mountaintops every video every day 👑
Yes, went to all those finals and still lost as much as jordan won and is still 2 rings behind a guy who three peated twice and never loss. This is peak we're talking about, that includes your ability to put not yourself, but the team in the best position to win, because it's a team game and you play to win, and jordan simply did it better than LeBron. End of story
@@malikcook9131 one player had a team with 2 hall of fame defenders (rodman never gets the respect he deserves) that were both better defenders than Jordan btw. That same player had a second best player who almost took his team to the finals when the so called goat was playing baseball. Your right the one that always puts his position in the best position to win is a great goat criteria. Unfortunately for you, that player from a stand alone basis is in fact Lebron James. Taking teams with far worse talent, coaching, and management/ structure to the NBA finals at an age that Jordan wasn't even sniffing western conference finals. So no, argument not over bud. I could write a whole book on this stuff
jordan would’ve done so much worse if you factor post season all of his best seasons lead to nothing in the post season if you include seasons that won a ring jordan’s fell off so hard
@@gabrielw7773 i’ll slow it down for you. all of jordan’s “best seasons” resulted in nothing. if you only include seasons with an ring then 2000 shaq had the beat season.
@@nicolasfierro2143 Did he win a scoring title and Defensive player of year in same season? Case closed son. If you think having the best season results in a championship then you are highly mistaken.
You also have to account for the lack of defense played in today’s game. Like it are not tough defense brings down offensive stats. 🤗 Great job guys you both made so valid points 👊😎👍
I think 2015 Curry is one of the weakest MVPs of the last 20 years but context matters. I remember that he was sitting in the 4th quarter a lot of games because the Warriors were winning by over 20 points a lot of games that is why Steph numbers didn't looked that impressive in 2015. Look at Curry per 36 minute stats. 26.2 points 4.7 rebounds and 8.5 assists. 2011 D Rose per 36 was 24.1 points 3.9 rebounds and 7.4 assists.
Not including postseason levels the playing field and makes the rating more fair. Keeping it to the regular season allows everyone on the list a fair chance to fall into the criteria he has laid out. Any player can play well enough to have a chance to make and possibly win the all-star MVP. An all-star or defensive 1st teamer has no chance to win a finals MVP if their team can't make the playoffs. As he stated this is focusing on who had the best seasons individually. If we added playoffs MJ probably has 8 or 9 of the top 10 seasons.
MJ having 7 of the 10 greatest seasons scores of all time is truly impressive and its one of the many achievements he has that made him the GOAT, for sure the definition of being in an league of his own, no wonder everyone wanted to be like mike
I actually like this metric. A top five prime of MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Giannis and David Robinson sounds right. All five stuff the box score. Only thing I would add is all NBA selection.
Horrible. Literally j uses stats and media awards. No context. Mjs early seasons are not better basketball than his later ones, but late 80s had crazy pace, even compared to today, so stats jumped. Also Russ type stats are just a positive. Love jimmy but L video
@@alecboulton3537 that's the point, we already know who won it based on narratives, the point is to see based on the raw stats who deserved those mvps, doesn't mean he's pushing an agenda, it's just interesting to look at so relac
@@alecboulton3537 The late 80s pace is literally the same as todays pace. check the stats. MJs early seasons were better individual seasons than his later ones for sure.
Given the criteria, the list makes sense, even if you disagree which is I do with a lot of the list at least Jimmy actually defines how he made the list and using his criteria he can actually defend every aspect of that list unlike most people who give some criteria they use but their list doesn’t follow it at all for most players, Jimmy doing this still provides a far better argument than most people who are in these debates
except MJ wasn't in the league so no one is gonna give him that. They'll let him keep his rings but no way will they say he had the greatest season of all time
@@yoshiinottherapper5492 I didn't say it was Hakeem's fault, however no one is gonna say he had the greatest season ever since it just so happened in the year with no MJ. You can not like it all you want but the majority of people don't believe the rockets win if MJ is there.
Some thing that should be noted about the NBA MVP award is that it's decided by the press. The press will vote with they hearts/guts/etc if they think that there is something special happening. If steve nash or magic won the MVP over players that racked up stats, it's probably because sports writers thought those players were doing something special. A lot of writers love the idea of team play, which is why they adore the era of bird and magic. The reason why nash got those MVPs is because he was playing the "right way". Same can be said for the way the Spurs played in the Duncan/Parker/Ginobili era.
I know yall don't care, but here is how I would decide who has the best individual season, this is off the dome. All star mvp 3 points, All Star 5 points, all NBA team 7, all NBA first 9. All Def 6 points, first team 8 points, top 5 dpoy 11 points, top 3 12 points, won it 14 points. Top 4 in mvp placement 10 points, top 2 13 points, won mvp 16 points, arguably should've been unanimous (3 first place votes away from doing it, 2013 Bron, 00 Shaq, and MJ in 1996.)20 points. unanimous 30 points (ay curry the only one to do it). If you're over 25 points, 8 assists, 2 steels, or 1 block, you get 3 points. if you're over 30 points or 10 assists, 3 steels, or 1.5 blocks, it's 5 points. If you lead your team in 3 things that aren’t bad, its 10 points, an extra category is 7 more points. If your top 5 in league for something, that's 15 points. If you lead the league in something, it's 20 points. 50 40 90 season or 60 over percent true shooting, 9 points. Make the playoffs one point, 3rd round 2 points, 4 points for the finals, and 7 points winning the ring while clearly being the best player on the team. If you do something that only 3 players have done that's good 23 points, 1 other player 24 points, the only player to do something like score 100 in a game, 29 points. Anybody who missed the playoffs has a negative 28 points, 26 points getting swept, 25 points losing in 5 games.
Including all star mvp does seem like a joke based on the joke that is the modern all star game....... but back in the day it actually meant something.
Tim Duncan not making a top 50 season most likely because he never won a DPOY despite arguably being the best defender in the league during that time is crazy. Bro got 5 chips in one of those championship seasons he also won MVP. Come on Jimmy, this is crazy.
@SOLZ He’s also saying defense matters so much because “defense wins championships” so post season isn’t as important in his calculations. WELL, PER is A basketball rating, which attempts to collect or boil down all of a player's contributions into one number. ITS a system that rates every player's statistical performance IN EVERY GAME
I never thought I would live in a world where Sage is the reasonable one and even tempted Solz would be rubbing cats like Dr.Evil, calling people snowflakes. 😮
Should've seen the pure delight on my face when I realized the thumbnail wasn't clickbait and Luka Doncic is actually the goat. Glad he is finally getting the recognition he deserves!
IIRC one of the suspected reasons for Magic winning two MVPs over Jordan in 89 and 90 is because the NBA wanted Magic to finish with as many as Bird did to tie the two together in history. Can't say where I remember that from, but I've heard it a few times from different sources.
Yeah when I watched this.. I immediately knew I wasn’t getting the right answer to the question.. how does mvp not count but dpoy does.. how does stats count but not winning.. CMON JIMMY 😂
Because winning is a team effort. Lebron in 22’ had an amazing season offensively but lost because AD was out 85% of the season and it was just him and Russ. Of course they didn’t win many games but that doesn’t take away from an elite season
@@panashe5268 that’s so contradictive because a player also may have a huge impact on winning but it doesn’t show on the stat sheet… the point of the game is to win and no player that’s respected would say their best years would be in losing seasons.. MJ would probably say 96 season was his best not 89
They're casuals or worse - bias. Anyone that really knows the game and has played it at the highest level, knows just how special MJ was. And that's why today's finest like Curry, Durant, Leonard, Tatum, Doncic, Zion, LaVine, Westbrook, Kyrie, Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell, etc. all view MJ as the GOAT.
being real, i’m as high on Luka as Sage is. but recently i’ve been getting a lil frustrated watching him and i’m curious about yalls take. some games, he literally plays like a top 10 all time player, but there’s so many times that he just chills on the court. when he’s playing defense off ball, he literally doesn’t move from his spot or apply any pressure. and on offense, when he doesn’t have the ball, he just stands on the side until a big man is looking to hand it off. it’s really annoying when you’re watching an all time talent play hard half the time and i want to know how people feel about it coming from that perspective.
Well It's about the " Greatest Individual season" in a Team sport so I think it makes sense, If you add too much stats that has to do with winning then it decreases the credibility of the this being a "Greatest Individual season". For you to win it takes a great team which include great supporting cast, A player might have a ridiculously great season but if the pieces around them are not good them winning becomes a challenge.
Jxmy Highroller is probably the best NBA content creator just because of the sheer amount of work he puts into each video to make sure it is to absolute perfection.
Chucky Daniel Martin dang dude lol why y'all act like cheerleaders Jxmy is not the best ok anyone can read off a bunch of numbers and stat sheets
@Darnell Williams ngl man, he is legit. There's a reason why he and Korzemba are the only 2 with a million plus subs.
He puts a lot of effort but he contradicts himself with these type of ranking videos. He’s a lot better at reading stats then trying to come up with a good nba take
@@GearJitsu fax, giving all star mvp the same weight as leading the league in a major stat category is retarded
imo rusty, low and kenny are the best nba channels. Swishout is good too
"Johnny T Stockton?! Get a left hand!"
I'm weak 😂🤣
Stock over magic any fucking day. Stock has a jumper magic don't. Magic is the 90s ben simmons except back then spacing wasn't a huge thing.
@@bullshark3771 Magic got a FMVP as a rookie…don’t ever disrespect that man like that; ben Simmons can’t even get to the finals with some of the deepest rosters in the NBA in Philly
@@bullshark3771I’m taking like 8 pgs over stockton
@@Udon_Noodle Robert Horry has more rings than Kobe Jordan Steph Lebron KD and Magic so does that make him better because he has better stats 💀🤦♂️ stfu
@@Udon_Noodle to be fair kareem shoulda won it but yes magic was arguably the best player on 4 of his titles. he was the best player in 1986.
its crazy stephs offense isnt being counted as his defense man curry is losing like 20 points on his season stat
@@sportbrawl480 joke actually just went right over your head
@@senzutsen1233 Bro deleted the comment 😭
@@ronaldomendoza7578 what he say
@@senzutsen1233wait what bro said ? 😂😂😂
The actual problem is the fact that Russ averaged tripple double and still not have the greatest season🤪
Crazy thing is if he did include playoffs, Jordan would have an even larger gap 💀
Idk why they’re acting like it’s so absurd for Jxmy to leave out post season success. He’s saying greatest INDIVIDUAL season. You can have a great INDIVIDUAL season but if you’re surrounded by a shitty squad than your post season success is most likely limited.
...and they're surprised by including all-star mvp lol
All 11 seasons that Jordan played more than 18 regular season games for the Bulls, he had a top 50 season of all time (according to this stat)
What can I say, he the Goat
Mind boggling.
To be fair, the system was literally tailored for him
@@matthewking7571 How???
@@matthewking7571It was tailored for a good scorer who can play defense LMAO. That just happens to be Jordan, Bron, etc
The fact that people think it's defensively skewed when you get points for leading the league in points and assists but not blocks and steals, and that ppg and apg account for more than 25% of most people's total score is mind boggling. A guy could win defensive player of the year, be 1st team all defense, lead the league in blocks and steals and that is still worth less to the total score than averaging 16pts and 5 assists per game
that is true, I don't think it's skewed towards defense because you get a lot of points from points/assists, but it's probably fair to say it is skewed towards DPOY winners, as winning a DPOY is effectively worth 20 points. Would you rather have someone averaging 30-5-12 with average defense (not all-nba caliber), or someone averaging 14-10-3 plus the DPOY? Those two have the same points, but I think in most scenarios, one would pick player A.
@@tmjz7327 that could be seems true, even I personally thought he should reduce the points for those, but balances it out decently when you consider most of these guys are 25+ scorers anyway. Looking at the top 50 only 5 seasons are held by DPOY winners. Jordan 88, Giannis 2020, Olajuwon 93 and 94, Robinson 92
Kids these days don't understand that defense is half the game
@@whenisdinner2137 but winning is everything
@@treyboy8732 its just that it's designed to make being the best defender add so much more, Jimmy is known to think mj is better than Bron. If you changed it to favor Brons talents over mj's, like playoff success, or compared to just team talent. Bron could look worlds better
Considering that this is a look at the best individual REGULAR SEASONS of all-time and it's only using certain stats to determine the metric, this all makes sense. Obviously, the numbers constantly support the agenda that it was indeed Michael Jordan's world and we were all just living in it. However, this does put into perspective just how close some of those MVP races were in some of those seasons. For example, the 2018-19 season. It was between Giannis and James Harden for the MVP race, and Giannis won the award. Looking at it from Jxmmy's season score, Harden had 121.3 and Giannis had a score of 120.9. I would say that the season scores were so close, that just based off of that metric you could not go wrong with either of them to win. Same could be said for the 2020-21 MVP race (Jokic 113.0 and Giannis 114.0). In both seasons, both the number one and number two player, were just so close to each other, that it made the decision just that difficult. Dope video overall from Jxmmy, showcasing exactly why he is indeed one of the GOATs of NBA RUclips.
there was no wilt either
@@JohnnyRodgers3so and your point. Wilt Chamberlain played in an era with plumber's
@@diltberg9627 MJ played against old crack heads and and scrawny white janitors😂what's your point...lebron plays against over paid high school kids...and g league pot heads💀💀
"Jimmy's score" is BULLSHIT. He simply cherrypicked Jordan's MEDIA AWARDS and gave him ten points for each dubious award. I mean, 20 points for BOTH All Defense and DPOY, both media awards, but leading the league inpoints, rebounds AND assists is worth ONE QUARTER of the total for two media awards? It's a JOKE.
@@diltberg9627 Just like mj
I think the point of the video was to see what score the best NBA players could get in a single season both offensivly as well as defensivly, lets take a guy like Rodman for example the man dindt score a lot and most of it was due his own choice but no one can argue his impact on the game especially on defense, the all stars games MVP i agree is a bit much cause things like minutes played could afect how much u can score.
But in the end its just mindblowing how unreal MJ numbers can get, no matter what stat u pick or metric u use MJ insane prodution is incredible and the fact that this man dindt play for 20 seasons and took time away from the league and still tops the chart?
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Still putting All star MVP, but no All NBA is stupid, and choosing WS but not WS/48 which way more accurate
@@paquinraino8180 yeah this system was literally all over the place 😂
The system was made for mj my guy. Of course he looks like the best
@matthewking7571 Dude he's stats were insane, even if you added other stats and MJ's still probably gonna have the best season.
How the hell do you not guess Jordan when you see PER and Defence?
PER isn’t good and MJ wasn’t even the best defender on his team
@@dododump3144 are you?… what? Do you think I’m defending PER or do you think I’m making an objective comment about not naming the player with the greatest PER average in NBA history?
@@xonfire1 it went right over his head lmao. you're basically saying "given the criteria you should of guess Jordan" not that the criteria is perfect lol.
@@sorinnoctis652 100%
@@dododump3144 look at his profile pic 😂😂😂 Ledickrider mad
MJ 88-89 season is crazy. 32/8/8, all defensive team. The fact he didn't win the MVP was egregious. Nobody had a better season that year but Magic got the MVP over him. I was typing this right as it was covered in the video lol.
Edit: I've always said if MJ got the MVP every season he should have, the GOAT debate wouldn't even be a debate anymore. If Lebron got it every year he should have, then second place wouldn't be a debate either.
It’s so bizarre to factor in postseason success in an individual season metric since getting to the postseason is highly dependent on your team. Let’s not forget that you have four other guys who have to contribute for you to even get there.
Every stat is based on your team and how good/what they do.
The strength of the team factors into the player's individual numbers hence why Harden's MVP looked so inflated because he was the entire Rockets offense. Higher usage rate means more opportunities to have bigger numbers. It is the same reason why Luka has massive numbers is because he is the focal point of the Mavericks team.
I literally commented on that video. How you gone include All star game mvp and not regular season or finals mvp. The criteria is so odd and then include DPOY but not scoring titles or being first team all nba. Individual should be a accumulation of everything one accomplished in a season on both the offensive and defensive side
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Exactly.
And the criteria of "won't include MVP because the voters decide and it's not always fair" like the DPOY isn't voted by THE SAME EXACT PEOPLE THAT MESS UP WITH THE MVPS
I doubt including asg mvp changed much, but yeah taking away all nba team was kinda weird. He should’ve just not include mvp and dpoy and kept all-nba/all-defense cuz if they had that crazy of a season they would atleast get 2nd team. Also he has “leading the nba in points” so he does include scoring titles.
All star game MVP is odd, but including regular season MVP is stupid asf for obvious reasons. I guess asg mvp is included because it used to be really competitive and shows a players ability to play well in big games since it used to be taken very seriously. Either way, those 5 points wouldn't make much of a difference anyways.
I get the all-star game MVP shouldn't count but like somebody else said it probably didn't swing to much in most cases. PRA is heavily skewed to the offensive side since points is the biggest contributor when it comes to all time level players and players did get points for leading the league in a points, rebounds or assists. I think it evens out a lot in the end but if I would change anything I would include all nba selections alongside all defensive teams selections and weigh the points based on if it was 1st team, 2nd team etc. and replace ASG-MVP with regular season MVP. MVP and DPOY would both be 5 points because it is voted. Also include points for leading the league in blocks and steals.
This criteria has its issues, but it we for example took off ASGMVP and DPOY then added All-NBA teams, I don't know if it would've been very different. Maybe some DPOY seasons get moved down a bit, but they would still be on the list.
Lots of problems, if you care about objectivity, you need to ignore mvp,dpoy and other awards. Counting these awards basically means you give 10 points to the leagues favourite player and 0 points to the leagues second favourite player.
It's also funny how jimmy acts like advanced stats with the sole purpose of meausuring individual performance don't exist. Maybe the video just ain't as interesting if you just copy-paste everyone's PER or +-.
@@cyruswang9354 honestly, it was just to make mj look good
@@matthewking7571 No matter how you put it Mj would have came out on top Mj from 1987-1993 is easily the best we have seen and I am not even talking about Mj from 1996-1998 where he won 3 rings 3 fmvps 2 league mvps 3 scoring titles 3 first team defense 2 all star mvps
Kg over unanimous mvp Steph in any season is wild
The video was great. Y'all stop it. Must be LeFlop fans, tbh...who are the worst and most annoying basketball fans of all time, btw. Jimmy did fantastic. Hush.
Thanks to Jxmy Highroller, we all know that MJ had 11 of his 13 full seasons with the Bulls make this list...how insane is that?? No one else has more than 5 on this list...because basketball is a Team sport, this list points out just how important it is for players to play both sides of the ball, and do it effectively...MJ set the bar really high and it doesn't look like anyone is catching him anytime soon...
If you remove Jordan's Wizards years and only keep his Bulls campaign. He casually submitted the greatest career of all time with 11 Top 50 Seasons.
I don't really consider this heavily defense skewed. Defense is half the game. He's not counting steals or blocks because Steals and blocks are low regardless of how good of a Defender you are compared to points rebounds and assists. The only thing you can do is add dpoy to compensate
20 points for DPOY and All defense, free points for Mike Jordan.
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443free points for everyone that's a two-way player and isn't a one-way offense only fraud😂
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 you saying that like DPOY and all defense arent very important?
@@luminousrxk7288 They are popularity contests most of the time. The REAL measure of defensive ability os metrics, and Jordan had MEDIOCRE defensive metrics most of his career.
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 prove how they are popularity contests? Lol people will say anything to disparage jordan it's insane.
Dwayne Bacon 2020 season 🔥🔥🔥
Isaiah Joe 2022 🔥
nah, Bruno Caboclo 2019 is fire
@@dumbassdude8372 wrong Jose calderon 2008 season 🔥🔥🔥
Ian Clark 2017 >>>>>
At the beginning I thought it was heavily skewed towards defense as well until we got to the end and saw no duncan or kawhi in the top 50. And in all honesty, there are actually not a crazy amount of top tier defensive players at the top to make me think that defense is that heavily favored in this thought experiment. It may not be perfect but this man may be on to something
The other part was having big numbers, some advanced stats, and awards. None of the players you said, had those. Jimmy kinda picked the things that favored mj
@@matthewking7571 Explain??? No matter how you would go about it Mj would win
@@mixedpleasure4324 that's definitely not true
@@matthewking7571 If you put in all NBA mvps finals mvps rings Mj would still come out on top
@@matthewking7571 I strongly disagree, it's not that he picked MJ specific criteria, MJ is just literally that good
I love these videos, Jxmy really puts in the work on these videos
This 2 guys ignore MJ till Jimmy said it, unbelievable..🤦🏽♂️😂
Having already watched the jimmy video, I’m waiting for the “the jordan meat riding is crazy”
Shoutout to 2009. Wade, CP3 and LeBron are on another level
Kobe too bruh, Bron was going CRAZY tho
Sage got jokes 🤣 xenophobia from solz is crazy
Steve Nash won MVP over Kobe because Amare was out for 90% of the season and Suns still got #1 seed
Still had no business winning over kobe
while having 10ppg💀
@@tperfect7241 yes he did. Kobe overrated as hell just cause he played like MJ and died so what
@Tperfect You talking about 05-06 when kobe leading the Lakers to a solid 7th seed? Really deserved the mvp there man, 100% over guys like Nash, Dirk, or Bron.
@somerandomcanuck9432 it's about the context man. That team is a high lottery squad without kobe. He was dropping 35 a game AND playing lockdown defense while facilitating. Also he was basically his teams only option. That lakers squad was one of the worst of all time in terms of supporting cast. Also they were in the best Western conference of all time. Those other teams you mentioned had far better teams relatively speaking. No other player has meant so much to a team with the possible exceptions of 94 Hakeem and 98 Mike.
Did Sage really say Jordan didn't win the MVP in '89 because of voter fatigue when it would've only been his 2nd? I gotta make sure I heard that right
Lol
To be fair he won the year before so voter fatigue still applies
Mj was robbed at least 3 times in his career
@@sadoubarry7150 I don't think voter fatigue is a thing after the first mvp. I think it's only a thing after the second or third. Maybe that's just me tho
@@mixedpleasure4324 only 97
The banter between ya'll is pure comedy. Love the content
To be fair, he did call it an 'experiment' multiple times.
I DONT WANNA HEAR SHIT ABOUT BEING MAD ABOUT MVP NOT BEING COUNTED WHEN EVERYONE FIGHTS OVER THE AWARD EVERY YEAR
SOLZ is KD’s Skip Bayless, not Twitter.
This is insane no play offs no mvps but keeping in dpoy
Yeah that shit is actually crazy
No blocks, no steals, no scoring title, no assists. Yeah this season score is crazy
Playoffs can be more of a team sucess rather than individual, Lebron is killing this season but the Lakers are still under 500 and out of play in.
“Best individual seasons” shouldn’t include playoffs cuz then it wouldn’t be fair for players who played great with terrible teams, but having mvp and keeping dpoy is stupid.
@@kyur__3597 “league leader in points, rebounds, OR assists” so yeah he did include scoring and assists leaders. Don’t know why SOLZ and Sage said it was points rebounds and assists
*insert generic his offense is his defense comment*
I’ve actually never seen that in this comment section 🤯. Just like I’ve never seen somebody average a triple double while being a great father for a whole season.
People really really don't like defence having value for some reason 😅
The problem is the way he valued defence is really bad
@@Dan-dz9nn I mean sure its not a perfect system but I would say with rest of scoring and assist having so much spotlight only 2 section combined having equal value isnt crazy.
Also steph and players like Nickola are glitches in matrix like off ball stuff which isnt recorded will always be reason why eye test is also needed
@harsh Verma tbh I didn't like that someone like trae young would get the same score for defense as someone who is barely not an all defensive team player.
Overall the criteria are pretty bad but I don't see how you could make it much better with a one size fits all approach
And offense is very highly valued here I wouldn't be surprised if wilts 50 point season would score similarly to Jordans despite there only being records of 5 of the 9 categories in that season
@@Dan-dz9nndefense is HIGHLY important.
@@ChrisDodges123 I agree
Solz saying "Kevin Wayne" kept reminding me of Mark saying "Jermaine... Cole!!" 😂
Jordan in 89 🐐
Jordan really be in a league of his own
when you make a stat taylored to jordan it’s going to say he’s good
@@nicolasfierro2143bro your a Lebronze Stan , that’s why you say that . Can’t ignore the facts .
@@kauffamn1016 you can ignore “facts” per is made for jordan the way vorp is made for bron they’re both the highest in both advanced stats and per is very old so vorp is more reliable
@@nicolasfierro2143 so because it’s older it’s not reliable ????
@@nicolasfierro2143VORP is more of a cumulative stat. It isn’t the best metric for evaluating a season.
14:55 “with a 14 year career” if you really think about it MJ only played 11 full regular seasons with the Bulls and all 11 of those seasons are on this list
I know you can’t really break everything down to a statistic, but it’s still fun to look at, and it gives you a general idea.
The disrespect to MJ at the start of this vid not even being mentioned by both of them....PAIN.
Crazy, a jimmy “greatest of” vid ends with Jordan being on top
It's hella ironic that the best stretch of years for Jordan includes a bunch of years where he didn't even win a title, whereas if we want to be real with this whole peak for peak shit, lebron went to 9 straight finals. Once again, EVERYONE FAVORS JORDAN. The not including playoffs success is mind bogglingly weird. I will undoubtedly scream my goat from the mountaintops every video every day 👑
Yes, went to all those finals and still lost as much as jordan won and is still 2 rings behind a guy who three peated twice and never loss. This is peak we're talking about, that includes your ability to put not yourself, but the team in the best position to win, because it's a team game and you play to win, and jordan simply did it better than LeBron. End of story
@@malikcook9131 one player had a team with 2 hall of fame defenders (rodman never gets the respect he deserves) that were both better defenders than Jordan btw. That same player had a second best player who almost took his team to the finals when the so called goat was playing baseball. Your right the one that always puts his position in the best position to win is a great goat criteria. Unfortunately for you, that player from a stand alone basis is in fact Lebron James. Taking teams with far worse talent, coaching, and management/ structure to the NBA finals at an age that Jordan wasn't even sniffing western conference finals. So no, argument not over bud. I could write a whole book on this stuff
Jordan would have separated himself even more if they took post season into consideration. 6 players having MVP seasons tells you no defense.
jordan would’ve done so much worse if you factor post season all of his best seasons lead to nothing in the post season if you include seasons that won a ring jordan’s fell off so hard
@@nicolasfierro2143 What? Speak proper grammer and complete sentences.
@@gabrielw7773 i’ll slow it down for you. all of jordan’s “best seasons” resulted in nothing. if you only include seasons with an ring then 2000 shaq had the beat season.
@@nicolasfierro2143 Did he win a scoring title and Defensive player of year in same season? Case closed son. If you think having the best season results in a championship then you are highly mistaken.
It's super weird that you guys can't comprehend the difference between "greatest season" and "greatest INDIVIDUAL season".
Its kind of pissing me off when I watched the vid.
@2Kolbe0 it's too bad they couldn't just set their bias aside long enough to just understand the point of the video.
I don't appreciate the low key Jokic hate going around recently. Dudes really mad that he's arguably the best player in the league right now.
You also have to account for the lack of defense played in today’s game.
Like it are not tough defense brings down offensive stats. 🤗
Great job guys you both made so valid points 👊😎👍
Well tell them to start playing defense. It's apart of any sport you play. You can't exclude defense because your favorite players suck at it.
Bsolz is slowly turning into skip bayless
Fax.
He’s thinking and reacting more with his emotions.
This is about stats only and regular season. Only stats, no context, no wins accounted. Why are you all mad about Rus, KD and Harden?
He really said 2015 Steph, when Steph only averaged 23 a game that season and didn’t even get the finals mvp💀
I think 2015 Curry is one of the weakest MVPs of the last 20 years but context matters. I remember that he was sitting in the 4th quarter a lot of games because the Warriors were winning by over 20 points a lot of games that is why Steph numbers didn't looked that impressive in 2015. Look at Curry per 36 minute stats. 26.2 points 4.7 rebounds and 8.5 assists. 2011 D Rose per 36 was 24.1 points 3.9 rebounds and 7.4 assists.
@@petersonofleo11 tbf kd was injured in 2015 so it opened the door for other players
Not including postseason levels the playing field and makes the rating more fair. Keeping it to the regular season allows everyone on the list a fair chance to fall into the criteria he has laid out. Any player can play well enough to have a chance to make and possibly win the all-star MVP. An all-star or defensive 1st teamer has no chance to win a finals MVP if their team can't make the playoffs. As he stated this is focusing on who had the best seasons individually. If we added playoffs MJ probably has 8 or 9 of the top 10 seasons.
Bro Jimmy literally said there were players that got the MVP that didnt deserve it so it wouldn't make sense to use it
I don’t think they heard that part.
If this criteria included winning, post season stats and MVPs than Jordan would be even further ahead of the pack than he is now!
The thing about Steph that this can’t calculate is… his offense is his defense!
Lmao what in the drugs does this mean
Yo if it is Jimmy Highroller my instant guess is the end will be a crazy stat about Jordan. It is always that
He the 🐐
Video: uses important stats and well laid out and explained reasoning for the ranking.
Solz: maaaaan this criteria is wack
Michael yesterday. Michael today. Michael tomorrow.
This agenda push is crazy. Jimmy really wanted “All-Star MVP” as a argument is insane
MJ having 7 of the 10 greatest seasons scores of all time is truly impressive and its one of the many achievements he has that made him the GOAT, for sure the definition of being in an league of his own, no wonder everyone wanted to be like mike
Ah yes only points matter. Lmao tf
@@PHXNKVHXLIC points win games, this is why lebron is the goat
@@FRANKIERGG I agree lebrons the goat because he does so much more than just scoring
@@PHXNKVHXLIC Jordan averaged 8 assists 8 rebounds 2 almost 3 steals and 1 block😂 so it wasn’t just scoring 😂
@@PHXNKVHXLIC u haven’t read a mj stat line in ur life have u 💀
Solz freaking out every 10 seconds was so funny and annoying at the same time
The funniest part of these rankings is Giannis being above Jokic in both of Jokic's MVP seasons
He has been the best since 2019 and it's not even close.
16:44 Solz omitted James Worthy like he wasnt the Finals MVP lmao
It would still Michael jordan if they were to include playoffs, rings etc. 😅 that was the whole point of the video.
Solz is too lost in the troll bro😂
All NBA doesn't need to be there maybe because all of the players shown was all ALL NBA first team winners.
I actually like this metric. A top five prime of MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Giannis and David Robinson sounds right. All five stuff the box score. Only thing I would add is all NBA selection.
Horrible. Literally j uses stats and media awards. No context. Mjs early seasons are not better basketball than his later ones, but late 80s had crazy pace, even compared to today, so stats jumped. Also Russ type stats are just a positive. Love jimmy but L video
@@alecboulton3537 that's the point, we already know who won it based on narratives, the point is to see based on the raw stats who deserved those mvps, doesn't mean he's pushing an agenda, it's just interesting to look at so relac
Everyone made All NBA so it won't matter.
@@alecboulton3537 The late 80s pace is literally the same as todays pace. check the stats. MJs early seasons were better individual seasons than his later ones for sure.
The disrespect Karl Malone (and 90's players) get from these dudes is funny AF
Solz gotta make his own vid wit his own criteria and research if he gonna complain about the criteria which wasnt bad
Given the criteria, the list makes sense, even if you disagree which is I do with a lot of the list at least Jimmy actually defines how he made the list and using his criteria he can actually defend every aspect of that list unlike most people who give some criteria they use but their list doesn’t follow it at all for most players, Jimmy doing this still provides a far better argument than most people who are in these debates
Hakeem got the greatest season of all time…MVP, Defensive player of the year, Finals MVP
except MJ wasn't in the league so no one is gonna give him that. They'll let him keep his rings but no way will they say he had the greatest season of all time
@@Lloyd00 but he did tho…how is it Hakeem’s fault that Mj chose to go play baseball. That’s just a “what if” excuse
@@yoshiinottherapper5492 I didn't say it was Hakeem's fault, however no one is gonna say he had the greatest season ever since it just so happened in the year with no MJ. You can not like it all you want but the majority of people don't believe the rockets win if MJ is there.
You think that's better than Jordan getting Scoring Leader, Steals Leader, DPOY, and MVP in '87- '88? With the Slam Dunk title being a cherry on top?
The brief return of slideshow stage was a needed one.
I don't understand why all these young kids see undeniable facts and then be like "defense don't matter"
Love how it's all good until it doesn't say what ya want.. 😂
Some thing that should be noted about the NBA MVP award is that it's decided by the press. The press will vote with they hearts/guts/etc if they think that there is something special happening. If steve nash or magic won the MVP over players that racked up stats, it's probably because sports writers thought those players were doing something special. A lot of writers love the idea of team play, which is why they adore the era of bird and magic. The reason why nash got those MVPs is because he was playing the "right way". Same can be said for the way the Spurs played in the Duncan/Parker/Ginobili era.
My guess after seeing the categories is 88’-89’ MJ
Edit: LOL I WAS RIGHT😂
No you where not it was Mj's 1987-1988 season who was the best ever
@@mixedpleasure4324 I meant either one
Yes I choose ‘97 Jordan over ‘14 KD. As any sane man should
I know yall don't care, but here is how I would decide who has the best individual season, this is off the dome.
All star mvp 3 points, All Star 5 points, all NBA team 7, all NBA first 9. All Def 6 points, first team 8 points, top 5 dpoy 11 points, top 3 12 points, won it 14 points.
Top 4 in mvp placement 10 points, top 2 13 points, won mvp 16 points, arguably should've been unanimous (3 first place votes away from doing it, 2013 Bron, 00 Shaq, and MJ in 1996.)20 points. unanimous 30 points (ay curry the only one to do it).
If you're over 25 points, 8 assists, 2 steels, or 1 block, you get 3 points. if you're over 30 points or 10 assists, 3 steels, or 1.5 blocks, it's 5 points.
If you lead your team in 3 things that aren’t bad, its 10 points, an extra category is 7 more points.
If your top 5 in league for something, that's 15 points. If you lead the league in something, it's 20 points.
50 40 90 season or 60 over percent true shooting, 9 points.
Make the playoffs one point, 3rd round 2 points, 4 points for the finals, and 7 points winning the ring while clearly being the best player on the team.
If you do something that only 3 players have done that's good 23 points, 1 other player 24 points, the only player to do something like score 100 in a game, 29 points.
Anybody who missed the playoffs has a negative 28 points, 26 points getting swept, 25 points losing in 5 games.
I need y'all to do a Video on DWade. Prime Wade is so underated. And he was going head up with everyone.
No matter how you slice it, Jordan wins.
Nobody:
Sage: I love the captain ginyu Arch
Including all star mvp does seem like a joke based on the joke that is the modern all star game....... but back in the day it actually meant something.
Tim Duncan not making a top 50 season most likely because he never won a DPOY despite arguably being the best defender in the league during that time is crazy. Bro got 5 chips in one of those championship seasons he also won MVP. Come on Jimmy, this is crazy.
That "FUCK" at 14:04 was real 😂
I like how giannis was top 3 in the end
cause he’s gonna be one of the GOATS with bron and mj
one of the reasons mvp was not on the criteria is that most of the time a player has to be on a team with a top 3/4 in their conference to win a mvp
The fact that Wilt's 1966-67 season is simply dismissed as irrelevant is historical madness.
Bsolz doesn't understand the comparison when you don't take into account playoff success russ was HIM during that late 2010s stretch
I’m gonna guess the player who would have the greatest Individual season would be Jordan, or Shaq.
@SOLZ He’s also saying defense matters so much because “defense wins championships” so post season isn’t as important in his calculations. WELL, PER is A basketball rating, which attempts to collect or boil down all of a player's contributions into one number. ITS a system that rates every player's statistical performance IN EVERY GAME
I never thought I would live in a world where Sage is the reasonable one and even tempted Solz would be rubbing cats like Dr.Evil, calling people snowflakes. 😮
Should've seen the pure delight on my face when I realized the thumbnail wasn't clickbait and Luka Doncic is actually the goat. Glad he is finally getting the recognition he deserves!
IIRC one of the suspected reasons for Magic winning two MVPs over Jordan in 89 and 90 is because the NBA wanted Magic to finish with as many as Bird did to tie the two together in history. Can't say where I remember that from, but I've heard it a few times from different sources.
Or just that prime Magic was dominant and went 4 times in 5 years in Finals between 1987 and 1991
@@paquinraino8180 he lost the 89 finals and didn't make the 90 finals, so I'm finding a fault in that logic
@@ILOV3BUTT3R tore his hamstring in 89 after going 11-0 to start the playoffs
Sage gotta fix his damn camera 😂
The stat Jxmy made up way over values defense, rebounding, scoring volume, and all star mvps while undervaluing efficiency and playmaking
Yeah when I watched this.. I immediately knew I wasn’t getting the right answer to the question.. how does mvp not count but dpoy does.. how does stats count but not winning.. CMON JIMMY 😂
Because winning is a team effort. Lebron in 22’ had an amazing season offensively but lost because AD was out 85% of the season and it was just him and Russ. Of course they didn’t win many games but that doesn’t take away from an elite season
@@panashe5268 that’s so contradictive because a player also may have a huge impact on winning but it doesn’t show on the stat sheet… the point of the game is to win and no player that’s respected would say their best years would be in losing seasons.. MJ would probably say 96 season was his best not 89
It’s funny how so called basketball heads still can’t seem to understand how good MJ was.
They're casuals or worse - bias. Anyone that really knows the game and has played it at the highest level, knows just how special MJ was. And that's why today's finest like Curry, Durant, Leonard, Tatum, Doncic, Zion, LaVine, Westbrook, Kyrie, Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell, etc. all view MJ as the GOAT.
why is 20 points being affected by defense too much? out of like 130? that’s like what, 15% of the season’s value? that’s too much?
Facts but young people only care about offense these days but defense wins championships
being real, i’m as high on Luka as Sage is. but recently i’ve been getting a lil frustrated watching him and i’m curious about yalls take. some games, he literally plays like a top 10 all time player, but there’s so many times that he just chills on the court. when he’s playing defense off ball, he literally doesn’t move from his spot or apply any pressure. and on offense, when he doesn’t have the ball, he just stands on the side until a big man is looking to hand it off. it’s really annoying when you’re watching an all time talent play hard half the time and i want to know how people feel about it coming from that perspective.
The thing is, even if he used winning and post season success, Jordan would have still dominated.
5:20 Dude...He literally said he's just throwing that in there for fun.
Well It's about the " Greatest Individual season" in a Team sport so I think it makes sense, If you add too much stats that has to do with winning then it decreases the credibility of the this being a "Greatest Individual season". For you to win it takes a great team which include great supporting cast, A player might have a ridiculously great season but if the pieces around them are not good them winning becomes a challenge.
Sages offended rating was 160rps (rounds per second). Just behind Solz 161rps with Paul Pierce rant.