@@yaboydafish6460 I like how you admitted in your post that there are 4 games you could name off the top of your head that suit your taste, but you're still mad that a niche fanbase which supported this game since before its release is getting what they want instead of yet another game that suits your much more mainstream taste
@@CrizzyEyes no there the names of games that my comments on youtube tell me to play. also lets forget about everyone who has played squad for squad and only listen to the people who wanted it to be another PR, sounds like a great idea
It cannot be easy trying to strike the sweet spot between discouraging run and gun combat while still making you feel like a trained soldier. I get a lot of the criticism from both sides, I want suppression to be essential for controlling firefights but I also dont want to have noodle arms if I dare to sprint for 5 seconds. Here's to hoping that OWI sticks to their guns and that the community continues to give *detailed feedback* through all of the tests
I feel like if they keep tweaking the aiming to be a bit less "How do I use a gun again!?", but keep the heavy suppression and maybe increase how being suppressed effects your ability to aim and fire back, they'll hit a nice sweet spot. One of my biggest annoyances in Squad was that it was so easy for people to just behave in ways that no one would in real life. They could be under fire from a tank and MG's and just calmly pop up on a rocket and shoot the MG, then walk away. You kind of have to force the threat of dying on people when you're in a game where it's just an easy respawn. I compare it to my time playing Tarkov, where the risk of losing all of my stuff I'd spend money on and collected across the map made me so much more cautious than I would otherwise have been if I was able to just go "Eh, whatever, I'll just respawn".
I'm overall supportive of the idea of these changes, but it is discouraging when a lot of the discussion is drowned out by people whose arguments don't develop past "old Squad is a Cod clone" and "Squad needs to be just like PR." I'm worried that a breakdown in communication will result in the argument for this update being defined by PR-only people who hate Squad and obviously don't play it, while the voice against the update are the majority of people who actually play Squad silently voicing their frustrations in the feedback survey. And this could kill the update. I want this update to be a good thing for Squad because of I love Squad. But for it to succeed it needs to be defined by actual Squad players, not these PR outsiders who are trying to hijack the conversation.
@@HawooAwoo i can all shush to your concerns and get the point, agree or disagree to some points but saying ''pr outsiders''? Bro that outsiders PLAYED with some of the fucking squad devs in PR for years. What munch are you on ffs? Get out.
@@HawooAwoo Anyone who calls people "cod kids" should be fucking publicly shamed, it's such an old and trite argument and I'm baffled that it's still so commonly used and accepted as tangible criticism. It reminds me of 2011 when I was a kid and tried to make arguments online about CoD vs Battlefield 3 back when that was an actual competition. It's incredibly reductive and childish and we would be better off if every single person who used it as an actual argument was completely tuned out.
If people don't like the idea of a topographical map, maybe have it as a toggleable option when opening your map? Or else lower the opacity of the actual map a TAD bit and just have a topo overlay over the actual satellite style map.
While I can imagine that the insane recoil and general inaccuracy while shooting could be annoying or even frustrating, it certainly makes the engagements a lot more of a spectacle. I'm very interested in trying this update.
Like a bunch of old blind people or african militants shooting at each other. They'll have to give all MG kits double the amount of ammo now because half of it is going to miss.
@@izakgriebenouw7195literally all you have to do is manage stamina and properly brace the weapon and it's accurate. It's not even an accuracy Nerf, you just have to not run and gun lone wolf. It just rewards proper tactics and squad gameplay.
@@izakgriebenouw7195 Good. Most firefights last entire days, with thousands of rounds used, and minimal casualties. Vietnam it was was like 10,000 rounds per one casualty.
I haven't played Squad much in the last year or so because I felt like the game was a bit stale. Hopefully should give the game life again and make it more team-based
I’ve personally been mostly playing Galactic Contention; the starship troopers and zombies mods cause the base game has been so annoying. Not getting one taped by peekers will be so nice.
I have being playing lately squad and things you're Talking about been annoying me too, took part in the beta test and man, once you play it, you don't want to come back
@@lemoncake9385 depends on your concept of value; i play casually and have still dunk over a hundred hours in it over the course of like a year or two; it’s the perfect game if you work long hours to just have a single match every day or so.
what I love about Squad is, some matches I feel like I joined the army, other I feel like I joined a discord channel 😆 and NO MATTER WHAT, when the match ends, everyone says GG! no skins, no lvl up, no ranking system, no replay, it's a realistic definition of game over :)
Squad exists in an alternate reality where the militaries of the world have ditched topographic maps in favor of training those in combat positions to guess the grade of the land in front of them at an accuracy within a tenth of a degree
Squad is simulating the “Force XXI Battle Command Brigade and Below” map (FBCB2) is a Linux-based communication platform designed for commanders to track friendly and hostile forces on the battlefield.
@@Group_Anonymous i dont see the point in caring about realism for the map considering that at any time you can bring up an overlay on your screen to see it
@@livingcoffee_edits Whatever it takes to punish the current run,gun,die,respawn loop that most casual players are doing. If this helps with improving teamwork, then i am all for it.
Wow. I haven’t had a chance to play test either combat overhauls, and just seeing this amazes me. Just watching it makes Squad look much more beautiful. The PIP scopes definitely did a lot, and the suppression looks awesome. Can’t wait to actually play Squad with the overhaul
There were some really nice instances in this video of MG's giving suppression fire and keeping the enemy's head down/fuzzy while other squad members maneuvered into attacking positions or advancing. It makes the fire support roles far more important than ever before.
I never liked those roles before, but now they're crucial. To be fair, I've only gotten a handful of "kills" in-game, mostly it's spraying in their general direction without ever knowing if anything hit. Might as well take that all the way and be useful to the team
One thing I'm really curious about the infantry rework is how it'll affect mods like Galactic Contention. The chaos of rolling across Geonosis while under constant fire from EWEBs and wrist rockets is gonna be ptsd enducing
I personally would like to see hardcore damage model return. By that I mean headshots, .50 cal and up, or explosives that are very close and/or large will instantly kill you, not incapacitate. This is modeled in SquadOpsHC which was in the regular servers for a time and I really liked it. However it likely would not be conducive to the idea of dragging out fights and would tilt the balance further in favor of vehicles, so I don’t see it being implemented in the base game. Still, it would be cool to pair the infantry overhaul with the hardcore damage model.
0:42 was perfect. Shows why you not sprint or move fast but you command the soldier you play to run and thats what he does. He doesnt know you want a pace increase. You wanted to RUN
When it comes to pip scopes in games I think it's important to scale the time it takes to get sight picture as well as field of view. Red dots and Holographics are clearly the fastest but in my experience the 4x ACOG is on par with irons for getting a sight picture if not slightly faster for mid-range engagements, and LPVOs tend to be the slowest. The issue with iron speed is that its good enough for 0-50 meter engagements but takes some extra time to get them on target and centered enough for 100-300 meter shots. The wiggle it does as you a.d.s. seems to be enough to get that effect though. Prism optics like ACOGs have a larger front lens than the rear which results in a wider eye box and shorter eye relief but allow for a faster sight picture and actually have a field of view wider than the rear lens. Elcans achieve their wider field of view with just having massive front and rear lenses which allows for a longer eye relief than the ACOG but weigh more. The wide eyer box is the key factor in giving them a faster sight picture and the wider field of view is key for better situational awareness and target acquisition than their LPVO counterparts at the same zoom level until about 400-500 meters when the increased zoom capability outpaces the Prisms. Obviously LPVOs have a great degree of difference in those stats between models but overall they all tend to be slower to get on target when at the same zoom level as prisms. Their benefit is they are usually faster to get a sight picture when on 1x in a cqb environment as well as giving increased, albeit tighter magnification for longer range engagements. I'm tired of prisms being nerfed LPVOs in tactical and milsim fps games instead of getting their place as mid range champs that can flex down to 50ish meters and be pushed out beyond 500 meters if need be.
2:00 I am guessing the Squad devs don't shoot weapons on a regular basis, which always seems to be a problem when you are trying to make a video game that is based on realism. I just want Squad to stop crashing when I get 30 minutes deep into a game, giving me no credit and then having to wait 20-30 minutes in a queue to rejoin a server.
Priorities... punish gamers for playing video games like a game rather than checking off their long list of promised features like commander point system (which would do far more to encourage teamwork than this drivel) or fast ropes
Yeah or they fired them once and got scared so they treat shooting 5.56 is like shooting an artillery cannon in front of your face. You get used to the boom pretty quick
It's exciting to see these changes because this is something I felt Hell Let Loose had for a long time, despite being a casual milsim. You had to really pick your battles instead of being able to run and gun it down.
Squad was never "run and gun" to begin with, unless you consider games like arma 3 and dayz run and gun because that is how squad has always played to me.
@@Chowder322 it goes to far and becomes not only unrealistic, but from a game designers POV, incredibly poor game design. It has solved a problem by creating an even greater amount of problems. If people want to keep circlejerking over these changes that is fine, I will continue to be the lone voice of reason.
The gunplay looks so improved its crazy. I think if they toned down the ambient blur when shooting, it would be absolutely perfect. Just the new weapon models look amazing. Any idea how far out this is from main client?
I like everything about this except how fucked the sight picture gets with even moderate semi auto fire. No way your scope/dot should be *that* all over the place. I did think squad was too recoilless laser beam-y before so I think the change was in the right direction, just an overcompensation.
1:53 This is always a problem I see in "realistic" shooters. Your character, who is a trained soldier/operator person, can't control their recoil, take forever to reload like they're not familiar with their weapon, swaps weapons slowly like they're not in a rush, and they cant aim straight when walking slowly. They're mechanics needed to make sure players don't play like it's CoD but they ruin the immersion of playing as a trained soldier imo. Some tuning based on player feedback will be needed.
Thats the issue, you cant punish people for playing a video game. Video games will never truly be realistic because people know its a game. Just enjoy the unrealistic emergent gameplay that comes from a realistic platform.
This is the first time i've wanted to play squad. They probably need to dial some of it back 20-30% but going "deep" is a good way to establish a baseline and see what works. Kudos.
lets be honest. if you have the coordination to make a tiny squad to man a tank then by all means they are op for a reason. theres been so many games where i see the vehicles not being used
You had me at “bringing firefights closer together” I’m tired of having a battle where I’m one half kilometer from the enemy and somehow still pinned from all sides
I thing a good balance were first suppression beta and this gun play. Only thing i may put in is using sprint in deffence position to make suppression like now in this video. When you deff you can use your srint for a small time to shoot back and see somthing after sprit gone its like Adrenalin can use a little bit but after its gone cant see anything
Cant wait for the justification of an entire squad uselessly sitting on a Fob nowhere near any objective as being "we're providing suppression". OWI may as well get rid of objectives since everyone is so obsessed with their immersion.
@@TheSpecialAno you want realism play Arma. Theres a reason mil sims die in the ass eventually, nobody can be fucked with em. Squad was the perfect middle ground. Fuck your realistic suppression, you'll get bord and just want to shoot shit.
i miss the old drawn out stalemated battles of the early days of squad. Squad now just feels like its just another battlefield game and its completely stale and boring now. I hope this brings back the old joys of the early days
They are on the right track but they should make weapon handling more realistic instead of needing everything. Like my rifle shouldn’t feel like it weighs 100lbs trying to aim from the shoulder. Point firing is a great idea and should be easy to use up close but it should be toggle-able.
Now they just need to fix the frustrating delay. You can see it at 0:50. That guy at the top of the stairs was waiting for you, full on at the ready. Your gun was down after sprinting and you still was able to kill him before he could barely react.
they just need to dial everything back by like 15-20% because the amount of sway, blur, recoil, and instability is just kind of silly. You can achieve rewarding teamwork and punishing the lone cod player without making 5.56 concuss you with each shot
PIP optics are a must for me. It's like...60fps after 30. You get it once, you just can't go back without knowing it. Don't know if it's new, but that moment around 0:48 where you started firing from the port arms and the game so accurately modeled rounds leaving the GUN and not some point from the center of your character that you can SEE THE TRAIL of full auto fire AS the gun COMES UP? That's incredible fidelity.
As someone who knows nothing about what Squad was like before this, it looks awesome. I love how heavy and percussive everything feels. Sound design is great, too, of course. I'm a big fan of lmgs and suppressive fire, so the fact that they sorta work as intended here is sick. In short, I'm impressed.
1 was pure aids, worse than 2, vehicles stomped inf, people sat on their respective ridges for 15 minutes spamming ammo at eachother, and everyone played like they were wearing drunkgoggles. Its only saving grace was the higher concentration of teamwork oriented players. The only reason 1 seemed better is because all the casuals jumped on the hype train during 2, and the cracks in the game design started to show once non teamwork oriented players were thrown in the mix.
7:17 to 8:16 is a great example how Squad still a "run and gun" type of game, you kept running back and forth the whole time and at one point you jumped between two rocks, humans don't move this fast in real life, and stamina do get completely drained, doing this for a extended period of time will kill all muscles in your body and will make you combat innefective. If they wanna a game the uses propper team work, they need to rethink movment in the game, this playthough was very unrealistic!
not as shakey as it was on the first test lol. this test seems more realistic. also you can only sprint for like 150m in squad. the rest is just jogging.
I don't play squad but to me it seems everybody is a basic infantryman in the game, so they are wearing a full combat load, flak jacket with sapi plates, kevlar helmet, and whatever else maybe a pack with a radio...that shit is not light. And it's not sexy AT ALL...and tbh the high speed low drag operators a lot of times have it the same it's not like some of these movies depending on what they are doing, maybe slight differences...maybe a little lighter but not really, if they get ambushed or in a long firefight, they are going through the exact some sht a basic infantryman goes through . So looking at this gameplay above, I think they've about nailed it...because that's how it really is to do that. You don't always get the best cheek weld, or quick sight picture, you are incombered by your own gear and it does get very cumbersome after a while, you feel like a turtle with all that sht on. Sprinting definitely does fvck your aim up with all that sht on. You sweat more with the helmet on and it gets into your eyes, if you are dirty and wipe the sweat now you have sweaty dirt in your face....your helmet can get pushed forward in the prone which can fvck with your ability to get a clean sight picture quickly etc...I could go on, I HATED the flak jackets we had to wear in Iraq. Some of these guys, I get where they are coming from as they are training with guns on a range...as a civilian, with their high speed low drag plate carriers...light weight specialized helmets..couple magazines etc, maybe doing a little hunting etc...that sht doesn't compare to Infantry training or real combat, it's the truth, but that is their experience. I did a bounding range in Yuma AZ, maybe 2 football fields long and slightly uphill, full combat load, movement to contact drills with bounding. The first couple times running that range we were fast and sharp. By like the 3rd time of having to do that sht...most of us were gassed, and legit just doing what we could to shoot at the targets and be safe...so there was a drop off after a couple times running it. Based on the gameplay I'm seeing above, it looked pretty damn accurate to me as far as basic infantry firefights.
I completely agree with your critiques, I love the ideas but I can't honestly say I had more fun playing the public test with the insane blur, recoil and sway compared to the main build.
If toned way down it could work, but it doesnt seem they are open to doing anything significant to change their overhaul. Theyve had 2 opportunities to adjust it since PT1 and each time they hardly changed anything.
@@skibidinasdas It may be and I'll have to try it out but being in line with real life behavior doesn't = good gameplay necessarily. It needs to feel immersive and add to the enjoyment of the game rather than be realistic for realism sake.
@@mckinleyfisher-lynd3896 It's not for realism though. It's so that people are forced to work together more, and lone-wolves get punished aswell as the casual run&gun play style.
one of the things i think is coolest on your channel is that your friend Jaime plays these games with ya I think it's awesome there have been far too few female military game/ first person shooter game players in my experience. the fact that you have female friends on your channel with you is awesome!
I really like Squad but the problem is game enjoyment is very reliant on good squad leaders. I dont play enough to learn SL and frankly don't want to. Bad SL or getting forced into role leads to a sour night.
@vhscopyofseinfeld hence why I haven't played in ages. Unfortunately it dulls the FPS experience because squad is superior than just about every other FPS out there. It's just not easy for a more casual player that can only login once or twice per week.
COD squeakers love vanilla run ‘n’ gun Squad, and they hated play test 1, but are a little happier with play test 2; which is the exact opposite of those who want Squad to be more of a realistic tactical milsim.
lol ok bro, you probably think combat is all sitting in bushes and shooting back and forth with no maneuvering, because any movement should make you completely unable to shoot straight at all, right?
the funniest thing is that devs just casuallty fly by and tap into your voice call "you are asking for too much" I literally couldn't stop smiling thinking about it
My two cents on this update is that after seeing combat footage in Ukraine I perceive that the operation of guns/heavy weapons is only easy and clear until the chaos set in. After bullets, close encounters, shellings, and explosions it is all blurry and unlucky. That is why I think these changes in Squad are realistic in the sense of representing (not being like real life) the adrenaline, exhaustion, and fear.
Yup, would be cool to have your arms high up and shooting over a hill etc without showing ur whole body. Or crouch and adapt to a height of a wall etc. Like insurgency sandstorm. Instead you have to stand up for a 1m wall or concrete fence etc..
I like some of this update. I dont like the idea of weapons randomly being inaccurate like most games do. Like a bipoded m240 will shot were it aims within a few hundred meters. Now it feels more like an "area of effect"
Right now, the whole game feels like ass. The grenadier and Lat classes are meta for wiping out squads of bunch up soldiers. Also, the recoil of a rifle with a scope is very high, feels unshouldered but would feel fine if it was only so high whilst moving imo.
I like to play the Automatic machine gunner role but end up getting one tapped by the enemy after only a few bursts of fire. I hope the changes in suppression will make a big difference
Playtest 1 had significant changes that made MG roles feel like proper MGs. Playtest 2 nerfed some of those changes but still a big improvement from existing vanilla Squad.
I feel like the changes are a good step in the right direction as far as gunplay goes, but hot dang those visuals are sweet. The way the gasses distort the air on the SAW is awesome, plus the AS-VAL sound is clean AF
It's a big improvement to the gameplay, but it feels a bit too much on the gunplay. I'm pretty sure they can walk this in though and end up somewhere comfortable for all the core player-base. Ultimately for me personally, I'd prefer a fun "authentic" experience than a realistic one and whilst some of the effects feel a bit overkill it does lend to that feeling of vulnerability. I think they'd do well to add some depth to the stamina system with the regen rate being degraded the longer you are depleted, hopefully it would bring IFVs into the fight - at the moment it's usually better to run ~750m to an engagement than wait for a ride. It's the one thing that really bothers me. IFVs/BMPs are hardly ever used for transport.
Problem is you walk back the gunplay changes, you walk back at least half gameplay improvement, they aren't seperate. They can't simulate your head moving without it being terrible (ex: how shaky VR footage is) so applying motion like that to the gun might be the abstract compromise to go with.
@@Gerwulf97 For sure I agree that mechanical skill is to some extent opposed to tactical gameplay. But I think it's an exponential thing, you need to nerf the ability to put accurate rounds out just enough to support the gameplay goals.
That’s the whole thing, there are sooo many games that already do what you’re looking for. Majority of the squad fan base want a realistic game so if you want something more casual play something else?
@@elijahbill9148 You're putting words in my mouth. I don't want a twitch shooter and haven't played them for a long time. I play 90% simulations, racing, flight, ARMA, etc. However the gun play, at least in the first playtest (haven't played the others) is OTT and there's not much about Squad that's realistic. Which is good, realism isn't fun. Squad is probably the most "casual" game I play, though it's probably not the right word. The medical system, the stamina system, weapon balancing, etc are all pretty gamified. I'm fully in favor of these changes, however after playing I just think they all need to be pulled back a tad. I'm not saying this should be Counterstrike, I don't know how you got there.
@@Anonnymouse53well worded, squad is a slow paced casual game. Frustrating that all these people who dont play squad regularly want to turn it into arma rp or something and then more than likely just leave after the novelty wears off and they realize what a mediocre shooter theyre left with.
I love how I can shoot a fully automatic AR-15 and aim fine and hit stuff but yet in the game I can't even shoot a semi automatic without loosing full vision and my gun going nuts from recoil
Games are in a weird spot. IRL controlling these rounds is quite easy, but also, even a cursory look at how many rounds are fired vs how many hit show that even with these mechanics tuned all the way up it’s still easier to hit things than IRL. The issues IRL are not weapon control, it’s stress, confusion, ability to see where people are and a host of other things that games can’t control. So they have to dial up what they can control.
people fighting irl don’t have the time or guts to “ads” like people do in games or on a range. Lots of combat footage, and hell, even airsoft and paintball games see people point shooting, not properly shouldering, firing from the hip, firing while shifting balance, etc. These factors can’t really be emulated in games, not to mention the weight and bulk of full combat loads.
@thepeopleslibrary9345 yeah but lots of games have confusion. The game should make the player feel that, not artificially through bad, forced, mechanics that are cheesy as shit. It's a huge shortcut
The suppression does make sense where in real life, you not going to want to poke your head up in the slightest since you will die. There is none of this fear in a game, so you make the player not able to see if many bullets fly near you so that the player will not want to poke their head over the wall.
@@JackBoii Well, I very much enjoy the like of Arma with ACE medical and a bunch of other "realistic" mod. So I enjoy realism along with many others. I do get though that it is not everyones 'cuppa tea.
Play test #2 is just bad, it's basically back to the vanilla. It's back to running and shooting with basically no effect in your ability to shot. Stamina is way too high qnd suppression is again gone. Play test #1 was so much better, lone wolf wolf had no chances and teams that worked together would win. It's sad to see you criticizing the changes and thinking the direction test #2 went.
Tried this game recently on a free weekend and damn was it fun and I`m really introvert but communicating with my squad felt so natural since people who play this seem to be really great and mature, love the game and the community.
i played a decent amount of squad some years earlier and i loved my time playing. When i look at these changes (havent played the new overhaul) i get the slim feeling that this is the case where chasing realism is getting just a bit over fun gameplay. i'm not saying its bad or there arent gonna be ppl that are not gonna like it. but from my point of view i feel more like they are putting more contrievances for the sake of realism and i'm not so sure that its a good idea or not. maybe once i actually play it i might like it but for now i dont feel overall positive about the change. At least they are trying something new tho, thats always cool to see.
I see Squad right now as being in an awkard position gameplay wise where it takes a while for squads to get to objectives and they get smoked in 5 seconds by dudes with ACOGs on full alto from nowhere. This update does more to increase survivability and firefight lengths, which makes the game more fun in general if you take your time and play more slowly.
I agree that its in an awkward position combat wise. It was even when i stopped playing. Change is indeed needed, but stuff like my screen getting super blurry when a shot comes over my head or when im running and i see a guy in front of my, it takes a loong while to be even able to shoot at the guy (like in the clip where he's entering the house)... im not sure if thats the right path. I know its a shitty thing to just say a change is not great without even saying any other solution, but the opinion is at least in good faith. Not to stay on the negatives only, the pip scopes are a much welcome change imo. From what I've see, it needs some slight tweeks but im super looking forward to how its gonna turn out.
Thats the funny thing, is that sacrificing balance and replayability for "realism" isnt even all that realistic. Any true gun owner will see that the sway is extreme, and point fire is way too unstable, like you have a milk jug tied to the end of your barrel. Maybe the suppression is realistic, idk never been in combat, I dont serve, but from a game designers standpoint having an aneurysm whenever a bullet remotely passes by the character is not fun and a poor choice. This whole update centers around punishing people for playing a video game like a video game rather than rewarding them for working together, which is MORONIC game design, unless you want to drive off players in the long term.
@@schmid1.079if tactics consists sitting in one place then sure. But it has certainly come at the expense of pushing and maneuvering around the enemy as it rewards sitting in one place by severely punishes attacking. Honsetly though, real life tactics dont translate 100% to a game because its a game. Its 100% cognitive and your life is not on the line. Increasing efficiency at completing a task is tactics. If you want a larper operator simulator where youre going through the motions of real life tactics, Arma RP is for you, not squad or any other competitive shooter.
It’s really dumb that people are zealously arguing on how realistic/unrealistic the new combat is with their “military experience”, yet are still perfectly fine with all the other unrealistic elements in the game. Like really? The gun swaying somewhat too much was the final straw and not the current vehicle armor system or helicopter physics?
honnestly the clip where the carl gustav anti tank launcher takes a while to stay steady while aiming down makes total sense and is absolutely in the borders of well balanced
When u look at @operatordrewski clip at 2:17 you can see his stamina is also half drained.. so yes it will take longer. Its showing these types of examples that tells me he doesn't understand the mechanics enough or is just being disingenuous about it.
I think it will be nice if they dial back the recoil from what I've seen a bit. It seems a bit heavy-handed. But I like the suppression. Vehicles should be able to make areas feel dangerous to players when hosing it down with HMG, because in real life, no one is going to be running out in front of a tank, especially when they're seeing it just spraying the area they're going to go with MG fire. But the sway in aiming when you're not being suppressed does seem to be on the excessive side. But I like that the suppression mechanics force your hand a bit in the way people react to being shot at. One of the most annoying things in Squad before was using something like an MG and firing at guys to suppress them, only for them to effortlessly pop up under fire, shoot you and then go on their way.
At this point they should just do a poll in game and they see what people preferred.. If the poll gets 60% or more towards one side they favor that version and focus on making it closer to that. If its a 50/50 just make something in the middle. Tired of you tubers arguing realism not realistic or what's more fun or not more fun. Just let the players vote and show clearly what the majority favor.
It's only frustrating if you play it like Call of Duty. If you play in a squad where everyone is willing to coordinate, it's actually better than normal Squad.
my only problem with squad is I can never get into a server. The lower ping servers closest to me are always full with a long queue or empty and on top of that if you make it through the queue half the time you get kicked or "disconnected by Host" simply for trying to play the game. Pretty much kills the game for me here on the east coast.
Squad devs if you see this, do not let up. You are currently in the process of changing fps games for the rest of near history. No other game has taken this big of a leap to completely change the mechanics of fps games.
Realism guys don't want to hear it but realism is bad for gaming. Is a singular armored vehicle holding down a platoon that doesn't have effective AT realistic? Yea! But it's stupid in the context of a game. I think the changes to small arms are good for gameplay, but they probably shouldn't have fiddled with HAT like they did.
Finally a good take on this. The first playtest was too much. The second one has been really nice as you still feel like you can fight back a little. I'm sure they will meet somewhere in the middle of the two, but I would just like to be able to semi effectively fight back in a gunfight instead of just shooting bushes all game. When it comes to games, hyperrealism is not fun to play. There is no way for owi to code adrenaline and stress, along with fear so gameplay will suffer if those things are attempted too heavily
It depends on the type of game really, a squad being pinned down by an armored vehicle just gives another squad or vehicle crew the opportunity to have their hero moment. They get to take out the armored vehicle, and let their teammates move freely which could win them the match. However for something more like Battlefield, that would be pretty silly to have a quarter of the team pinned down because there is nothing they can use to take out the armor.
it was an honor serving on the virtual battlefield with another cod enjoyer
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welcome to the club of people who should go play COD, BF, PUBG and R6 because squad isnt the game for us even though i have played it for 2k hours
@@yaboydafish6460 I like how you admitted in your post that there are 4 games you could name off the top of your head that suit your taste, but you're still mad that a niche fanbase which supported this game since before its release is getting what they want instead of yet another game that suits your much more mainstream taste
@@CrizzyEyes no there the names of games that my comments on youtube tell me to play. also lets forget about everyone who has played squad for squad and only listen to the people who wanted it to be another PR, sounds like a great idea
@@yaboydafish6460 Have you considered that you might actually like the changes to the game or are you just going to be mad pre-emptively?
It cannot be easy trying to strike the sweet spot between discouraging run and gun combat while still making you feel like a trained soldier. I get a lot of the criticism from both sides, I want suppression to be essential for controlling firefights but I also dont want to have noodle arms if I dare to sprint for 5 seconds. Here's to hoping that OWI sticks to their guns and that the community continues to give *detailed feedback* through all of the tests
I feel like if they keep tweaking the aiming to be a bit less "How do I use a gun again!?", but keep the heavy suppression and maybe increase how being suppressed effects your ability to aim and fire back, they'll hit a nice sweet spot.
One of my biggest annoyances in Squad was that it was so easy for people to just behave in ways that no one would in real life. They could be under fire from a tank and MG's and just calmly pop up on a rocket and shoot the MG, then walk away.
You kind of have to force the threat of dying on people when you're in a game where it's just an easy respawn. I compare it to my time playing Tarkov, where the risk of losing all of my stuff I'd spend money on and collected across the map made me so much more cautious than I would otherwise have been if I was able to just go "Eh, whatever, I'll just respawn".
I'm overall supportive of the idea of these changes, but it is discouraging when a lot of the discussion is drowned out by people whose arguments don't develop past "old Squad is a Cod clone" and "Squad needs to be just like PR."
I'm worried that a breakdown in communication will result in the argument for this update being defined by PR-only people who hate Squad and obviously don't play it, while the voice against the update are the majority of people who actually play Squad silently voicing their frustrations in the feedback survey. And this could kill the update.
I want this update to be a good thing for Squad because of I love Squad. But for it to succeed it needs to be defined by actual Squad players, not these PR outsiders who are trying to hijack the conversation.
yeah a lot of people seem to think soldiers never run in combat and that if they do they just end up missing all their shots.
@@HawooAwoo i can all shush to your concerns and get the point, agree or disagree to some points but saying ''pr outsiders''? Bro that outsiders PLAYED with some of the fucking squad devs in PR for years. What munch are you on ffs? Get out.
@@HawooAwoo Anyone who calls people "cod kids" should be fucking publicly shamed, it's such an old and trite argument and I'm baffled that it's still so commonly used and accepted as tangible criticism. It reminds me of 2011 when I was a kid and tried to make arguments online about CoD vs Battlefield 3 back when that was an actual competition. It's incredibly reductive and childish and we would be better off if every single person who used it as an actual argument was completely tuned out.
If people don't like the idea of a topographical map, maybe have it as a toggleable option when opening your map? Or else lower the opacity of the actual map a TAD bit and just have a topo overlay over the actual satellite style map.
Flipping between the two would be nice.
A toggle would be best. The map can get so cluttered sometimes.
I don't think the issue is that people don't want it. I think its just hard to implement.
@@AvWoN Oh yeah because Arma 2 was so hard to make for Bohemia.
@@weasle2904 I am sure it was.
While I can imagine that the insane recoil and general inaccuracy while shooting could be annoying or even frustrating, it certainly makes the engagements a lot more of a spectacle. I'm very interested in trying this update.
Like a bunch of old blind people or african militants shooting at each other. They'll have to give all MG kits double the amount of ammo now because half of it is going to miss.
@@izakgriebenouw7195literally all you have to do is manage stamina and properly brace the weapon and it's accurate. It's not even an accuracy Nerf, you just have to not run and gun lone wolf. It just rewards proper tactics and squad gameplay.
@@izakgriebenouw7195 Good. Most firefights last entire days, with thousands of rounds used, and minimal casualties. Vietnam it was was like 10,000 rounds per one casualty.
@@izakgriebenouw7195just a little racist but ima let it slide this time
Thats the issue, spectacles arent replayable. Once the novelty wears off it will be normal old Squad, except it will be aids to play. Mark my words
I haven't played Squad much in the last year or so because I felt like the game was a bit stale. Hopefully should give the game life again and make it more team-based
I’ve personally been mostly playing Galactic Contention; the starship troopers and zombies mods cause the base game has been so annoying. Not getting one taped by peekers will be so nice.
I have being playing lately squad and things you're Talking about been annoying me too, took part in the beta test and man, once you play it, you don't want to come back
Not worth the $49.99 asking price, thats a fact.
@@lemoncake9385 agree, Worth about 20$ more
@@lemoncake9385 depends on your concept of value; i play casually and have still dunk over a hundred hours in it over the course of like a year or two; it’s the perfect game if you work long hours to just have a single match every day or so.
what I love about Squad is, some matches I feel like I joined the army, other I feel like I joined a discord channel 😆
and NO MATTER WHAT, when the match ends, everyone says GG! no skins, no lvl up, no ranking system, no replay, it's a realistic definition of game over :)
its a shame this update has ruined all those qualities lol
@@darthsaint7743 PIP scopes = no more ggs + your gpu fried + ranking system + battle pass :'(
Wait, you don't get new skins after finishing a mission in the Army? WTH, why would anyone want to do it then?
I loled way to hard at 3:34 and completely agree that they need topographical maps
I totaly agree. I think it is a future __must have__.
Squad exists in an alternate reality where the militaries of the world have ditched topographic maps in favor of training those in combat positions to guess the grade of the land in front of them at an accuracy within a tenth of a degree
I've been wanting a topographical map for years. I've accepted that we'll never get it 😢
Squad is simulating the “Force XXI Battle Command Brigade and Below” map (FBCB2) is a Linux-based communication platform designed for commanders to track friendly and hostile forces on the battlefield.
You know what works great in the field a topographic map you know so u can see hills lol
@@Group_Anonymous i dont see the point in caring about realism for the map considering that at any time you can bring up an overlay on your screen to see it
@@boinqity4621 The F...in' Way She Goes
it literally takes 30 minutes to throw the map into blender and make a shader with stripes
It feels like the things that made squad unique are getting improved upon and I'm all here for it. This feels like what squad should be.
What? Soldiers who don't know how to hold their guns and control recoil?
@@livingcoffee_edits yeah that's totally the only take away from this update is "rECOiL BaD" get over it
@@zenzibar28 Get over something that is unrealistic and completely changes the game?
@@livingcoffee_edits I spam heli so personally I couldn't care less lmao
@@livingcoffee_edits Whatever it takes to punish the current run,gun,die,respawn loop that most casual players are doing. If this helps with improving teamwork, then i am all for it.
Wow. I haven’t had a chance to play test either combat overhauls, and just seeing this amazes me. Just watching it makes Squad look much more beautiful. The PIP scopes definitely did a lot, and the suppression looks awesome. Can’t wait to actually play Squad with the overhaul
There were some really nice instances in this video of MG's giving suppression fire and keeping the enemy's head down/fuzzy while other squad members maneuvered into attacking positions or advancing. It makes the fire support roles far more important than ever before.
I never liked those roles before, but now they're crucial. To be fair, I've only gotten a handful of "kills" in-game, mostly it's spraying in their general direction without ever knowing if anything hit. Might as well take that all the way and be useful to the team
2:00 Your eyes might stay open, but the recoil does temporarily upset your eye relief (distance from scope to eye).
these changes make 556 look like 308
One thing I'm really curious about the infantry rework is how it'll affect mods like Galactic Contention. The chaos of rolling across Geonosis while under constant fire from EWEBs and wrist rockets is gonna be ptsd enducing
hopefully it doesnt break any mod
@@8a.kitkatI imagine most weapons will need editing, at least for scopes
@@christophernoneya4635 yeah
Just thinking about the Starshiptrooper mod. Wound be fun getting suppressed by plasma bombardment.
@@Valkyrie_Yukikazeoh god thats already chaotic this will just amplify it even more :b
I personally would like to see hardcore damage model return. By that I mean headshots, .50 cal and up, or explosives that are very close and/or large will instantly kill you, not incapacitate. This is modeled in SquadOpsHC which was in the regular servers for a time and I really liked it. However it likely would not be conducive to the idea of dragging out fights and would tilt the balance further in favor of vehicles, so I don’t see it being implemented in the base game. Still, it would be cool to pair the infantry overhaul with the hardcore damage model.
0:42 was perfect. Shows why you not sprint or move fast but you command the soldier you play to run and thats what he does. He doesnt know you want a pace increase. You wanted to RUN
When it comes to pip scopes in games I think it's important to scale the time it takes to get sight picture as well as field of view. Red dots and Holographics are clearly the fastest but in my experience the 4x ACOG is on par with irons for getting a sight picture if not slightly faster for mid-range engagements, and LPVOs tend to be the slowest. The issue with iron speed is that its good enough for 0-50 meter engagements but takes some extra time to get them on target and centered enough for 100-300 meter shots. The wiggle it does as you a.d.s. seems to be enough to get that effect though. Prism optics like ACOGs have a larger front lens than the rear which results in a wider eye box and shorter eye relief but allow for a faster sight picture and actually have a field of view wider than the rear lens. Elcans achieve their wider field of view with just having massive front and rear lenses which allows for a longer eye relief than the ACOG but weigh more. The wide eyer box is the key factor in giving them a faster sight picture and the wider field of view is key for better situational awareness and target acquisition than their LPVO counterparts at the same zoom level until about 400-500 meters when the increased zoom capability outpaces the Prisms. Obviously LPVOs have a great degree of difference in those stats between models but overall they all tend to be slower to get on target when at the same zoom level as prisms. Their benefit is they are usually faster to get a sight picture when on 1x in a cqb environment as well as giving increased, albeit tighter magnification for longer range engagements. I'm tired of prisms being nerfed LPVOs in tactical and milsim fps games instead of getting their place as mid range champs that can flex down to 50ish meters and be pushed out beyond 500 meters if need be.
2:00 I am guessing the Squad devs don't shoot weapons on a regular basis, which always seems to be a problem when you are trying to make a video game that is based on realism.
I just want Squad to stop crashing when I get 30 minutes deep into a game, giving me no credit and then having to wait 20-30 minutes in a queue to rejoin a server.
Priorities... punish gamers for playing video games like a game rather than checking off their long list of promised features like commander point system (which would do far more to encourage teamwork than this drivel) or fast ropes
Yeah or they fired them once and got scared so they treat shooting 5.56 is like shooting an artillery cannon in front of your face.
You get used to the boom pretty quick
@@vgamedude12 Yeah I never understood that with shooter games. It's the same in Tarkov, the recoil is just so ridiculously high with 5.56 guns.
It's exciting to see these changes because this is something I felt Hell Let Loose had for a long time, despite being a casual milsim. You had to really pick your battles instead of being able to run and gun it down.
Squad was never "run and gun" to begin with, unless you consider games like arma 3 and dayz run and gun because that is how squad has always played to me.
@@rell0223it has recently aided the playstyle you say it doesn't have, if everyone else knows it but you, you aren't seeing the forest for the trees
@@Chowder322 it goes to far and becomes not only unrealistic, but from a game designers POV, incredibly poor game design. It has solved a problem by creating an even greater amount of problems. If people want to keep circlejerking over these changes that is fine, I will continue to be the lone voice of reason.
@@rell0223 I Agree with you bro. Keep it up 👍
29:33 So we're not gonna talk about how he just took out a heli??
Waiting for that comment coming 🤣
This is so surreal to see! I love your videos, Drewski, hope to see more of your amazing and entertaining videos.
Plenty of shooters that emphasize run and gun shooting over teamwork and tactics. This is the right direction for Squad to go in.
The gunplay looks so improved its crazy. I think if they toned down the ambient blur when shooting, it would be absolutely perfect. Just the new weapon models look amazing. Any idea how far out this is from main client?
It will probably come out in the next two months at the latest. There are also a couple more playtests in the pipeline to test changes.
I like everything about this except how fucked the sight picture gets with even moderate semi auto fire. No way your scope/dot should be *that* all over the place. I did think squad was too recoilless laser beam-y before so I think the change was in the right direction, just an overcompensation.
1:53 This is always a problem I see in "realistic" shooters. Your character, who is a trained soldier/operator person, can't control their recoil, take forever to reload like they're not familiar with their weapon, swaps weapons slowly like they're not in a rush, and they cant aim straight when walking slowly. They're mechanics needed to make sure players don't play like it's CoD but they ruin the immersion of playing as a trained soldier imo. Some tuning based on player feedback will be needed.
Thats the issue, you cant punish people for playing a video game. Video games will never truly be realistic because people know its a game. Just enjoy the unrealistic emergent gameplay that comes from a realistic platform.
This truly is a topographic map moment
This is the first time i've wanted to play squad. They probably need to dial some of it back 20-30% but going "deep" is a good way to establish a baseline and see what works. Kudos.
I love the rifle just slowing rolling along at 18:25 lmao
lets be honest. if you have the coordination to make a tiny squad to man a tank then by all means they are op for a reason. theres been so many games where i see the vehicles not being used
9:25 scene with the support element covering the assault summarised the peak of what Squad could be with fully realised suppression changes
As someone who loves to play games like Ready or Not and Tarkov I love this update so far.
Love the in sync mg fire 9:41
so fun fact, the recoil is being fixed, the suppression is being fixed, and the sway is being fixed… so hopefully, the outcome is a bit more balanced
3:00 YOU HAVE ASKED FOR TOO MUCH 😂
You had me at “bringing firefights closer together” I’m tired of having a battle where I’m one half kilometer from the enemy and somehow still pinned from all sides
check your angles mannn...
Thats real life though, average modern engagement is 300-400 yards.
I liked that. it's more realistic. Guns go far you cant run in the open far away and expect to not get fired on.
@@vgamedude12 well not anymore, engagement distances have been drastically reduced.
@@rell0223 I don't like that
those synchronized bursts at 9:40 made me all tingly
I thing a good balance were first suppression beta and this gun play. Only thing i may put in is using sprint in deffence position to make suppression like now in this video. When you deff you can use your srint for a small time to shoot back and see somthing after sprit gone its like Adrenalin can use a little bit but after its gone cant see anything
Cant wait for the justification of an entire squad uselessly sitting on a Fob nowhere near any objective as being "we're providing suppression". OWI may as well get rid of objectives since everyone is so obsessed with their immersion.
I will love seeing only one squad playing the objective, but hey "SO MUCH REALISM"
@@TheSpecialAno you want realism play Arma. Theres a reason mil sims die in the ass eventually, nobody can be fucked with em. Squad was the perfect middle ground. Fuck your realistic suppression, you'll get bord and just want to shoot shit.
@@PONEY-ge7ts bye~
@@comediangj4955 cool bro 😎
i miss the old drawn out stalemated battles of the early days of squad. Squad now just feels like its just another battlefield game and its completely stale and boring now. I hope this brings back the old joys of the early days
damn this gave me goosebumps, awesome video as always Drew. Thank you!
They are on the right track but they should make weapon handling more realistic instead of needing everything. Like my rifle shouldn’t feel like it weighs 100lbs trying to aim from the shoulder. Point firing is a great idea and should be easy to use up close but it should be toggle-able.
Now they just need to fix the frustrating delay.
You can see it at 0:50.
That guy at the top of the stairs was waiting for you, full on at the ready.
Your gun was down after sprinting and you still was able to kill him before he could barely react.
they just need to dial everything back by like 15-20% because the amount of sway, blur, recoil, and instability is just kind of silly. You can achieve rewarding teamwork and punishing the lone cod player without making 5.56 concuss you with each shot
PIP optics are a must for me. It's like...60fps after 30. You get it once, you just can't go back without knowing it.
Don't know if it's new, but that moment around 0:48 where you started firing from the port arms and the game so accurately modeled rounds leaving the GUN and not some point from the center of your character that you can SEE THE TRAIL of full auto fire AS the gun COMES UP? That's incredible fidelity.
Congratulations on another stellar video! Your talent and passion are truly inspiring. Keep up the phenomenal work and keep us captivated
As someone who knows nothing about what Squad was like before this, it looks awesome. I love how heavy and percussive everything feels. Sound design is great, too, of course.
I'm a big fan of lmgs and suppressive fire, so the fact that they sorta work as intended here is sick. In short, I'm impressed.
If Moths like Lamps, Drew like topographic maps.
And I would like to have them added to squad as well.
The playtests are like getting an eye exam. When asked if number one or number two is better, I think number one was better.
1 was pure aids, worse than 2, vehicles stomped inf, people sat on their respective ridges for 15 minutes spamming ammo at eachother, and everyone played like they were wearing drunkgoggles. Its only saving grace was the higher concentration of teamwork oriented players.
The only reason 1 seemed better is because all the casuals jumped on the hype train during 2, and the cracks in the game design started to show once non teamwork oriented players were thrown in the mix.
@@rell0223 hm...
7:17 to 8:16 is a great example how Squad still a "run and gun" type of game, you kept running back and forth the whole time and at one point you jumped between two rocks, humans don't move this fast in real life, and stamina do get completely drained, doing this for a extended period of time will kill all muscles in your body and will make you combat innefective. If they wanna a game the uses propper team work, they need to rethink movment in the game, this playthough was very unrealistic!
Yeah, let's make it even more slow paced!
It's a game. A FUCKING-VIDEO-GAME.
@@KIIJJY6969I agree, slow it down like the first playtest
9:40 some crazy synchronization
Now only if they could make it run well on anything besides the latest cpu
I could care less about new maps or factions at this point. I just want better performance. I hate playing shooters at less than 120 fps
1:55 exactly, you're playing a role of a professional soldier who can't steady his rifle.
If you shoot 5.56 full auto after sprinting 1km, youre gonna be shakey lol
Not like just standing in the range.
not as shakey as it was on the first test lol. this test seems more realistic. also you can only sprint for like 150m in squad. the rest is just jogging.
I don't play squad but to me it seems everybody is a basic infantryman in the game, so they are wearing a full combat load, flak jacket with sapi plates, kevlar helmet, and whatever else maybe a pack with a radio...that shit is not light. And it's not sexy AT ALL...and tbh the high speed low drag operators a lot of times have it the same it's not like some of these movies depending on what they are doing, maybe slight differences...maybe a little lighter but not really, if they get ambushed or in a long firefight, they are going through the exact some sht a basic infantryman goes through . So looking at this gameplay above, I think they've about nailed it...because that's how it really is to do that. You don't always get the best cheek weld, or quick sight picture, you are incombered by your own gear and it does get very cumbersome after a while, you feel like a turtle with all that sht on. Sprinting definitely does fvck your aim up with all that sht on. You sweat more with the helmet on and it gets into your eyes, if you are dirty and wipe the sweat now you have sweaty dirt in your face....your helmet can get pushed forward in the prone which can fvck with your ability to get a clean sight picture quickly etc...I could go on, I HATED the flak jackets we had to wear in Iraq. Some of these guys, I get where they are coming from as they are training with guns on a range...as a civilian, with their high speed low drag plate carriers...light weight specialized helmets..couple magazines etc, maybe doing a little hunting etc...that sht doesn't compare to Infantry training or real combat, it's the truth, but that is their experience. I did a bounding range in Yuma AZ, maybe 2 football fields long and slightly uphill, full combat load, movement to contact drills with bounding. The first couple times running that range we were fast and sharp. By like the 3rd time of having to do that sht...most of us were gassed, and legit just doing what we could to shoot at the targets and be safe...so there was a drop off after a couple times running it. Based on the gameplay I'm seeing above, it looked pretty damn accurate to me as far as basic infantry firefights.
@logangoulet7522 It looks great to me so far, I think I'll actually get the game.
I completely agree with your critiques, I love the ideas but I can't honestly say I had more fun playing the public test with the insane blur, recoil and sway compared to the main build.
If toned way down it could work, but it doesnt seem they are open to doing anything significant to change their overhaul. Theyve had 2 opportunities to adjust it since PT1 and each time they hardly changed anything.
The problem with games being more "realistic" is it often ends up feeling more difficult and involved to perform actions than in real life
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it's much more in line with real life behavior now
@@skibidinasdas It may be and I'll have to try it out but being in line with real life behavior doesn't = good gameplay necessarily. It needs to feel immersive and add to the enjoyment of the game rather than be realistic for realism sake.
@@mckinleyfisher-lynd3896 It's not for realism though. It's so that people are forced to work together more, and lone-wolves get punished aswell as the casual run&gun play style.
The gameplay looks wildly intense with these new changes, far more so than before.
How can anyone call a game realistic if you don't die irl when you die in game smh
one of the things i think is coolest on your channel is that your friend Jaime plays these games with ya I think it's awesome there have been far too few female military game/ first person shooter game players in my experience. the fact that you have female friends on your channel with you is awesome!
I really like Squad but the problem is game enjoyment is very reliant on good squad leaders.
I dont play enough to learn SL and frankly don't want to.
Bad SL or getting forced into role leads to a sour night.
Then maybe Squad just ain’t for you.
@vhscopyofseinfeld hence why I haven't played in ages. Unfortunately it dulls the FPS experience because squad is superior than just about every other FPS out there. It's just not easy for a more casual player that can only login once or twice per week.
I was the one left at 7:00 lmao, it was half our team pushing that position after the arty dropped on the FOB to the south
COD squeakers love vanilla run ‘n’ gun Squad, and they hated play test 1, but are a little happier with play test 2; which is the exact opposite of those who want Squad to be more of a realistic tactical milsim.
lol ok bro, you probably think combat is all sitting in bushes and shooting back and forth with no maneuvering, because any movement should make you completely unable to shoot straight at all, right?
@@specialist4566 I think there are a whole lot of valor thieves on the Internet.
@@NZobservatory What's that supposed to mean?
@@specialist4566 It means I believe there are a whole lot of valor thieves on the Internet. What did you think it meant?
@@NZobservatory well why are you telling me that?
the funniest thing is that devs just casuallty fly by and tap into your voice call "you are asking for too much"
I literally couldn't stop smiling thinking about it
My two cents on this update is that after seeing combat footage in Ukraine I perceive that the operation of guns/heavy weapons is only easy and clear until the chaos set in.
After bullets, close encounters, shellings, and explosions it is all blurry and unlucky. That is why I think these changes in Squad are realistic in the sense of representing (not being like real life) the adrenaline, exhaustion, and fear.
Yup, would be cool to have your arms high up and shooting over a hill etc without showing ur whole body. Or crouch and adapt to a height of a wall etc. Like insurgency sandstorm. Instead you have to stand up for a 1m wall or concrete fence etc..
@@dacke13 blind fire could be nice addition and the gradual crouch like tarkov could be another cool feature
@@radament. Agreed!
I like some of this update.
I dont like the idea of weapons randomly being inaccurate like most games do.
Like a bipoded m240 will shot were it aims within a few hundred meters. Now it feels more like an "area of effect"
Right now, the whole game feels like ass. The grenadier and Lat classes are meta for wiping out squads of bunch up soldiers. Also, the recoil of a rifle with a scope is very high, feels unshouldered but would feel fine if it was only so high whilst moving imo.
lmao are you saying grenadiers shouldnt be able to punish poor spacing??
Nope. Read again.
Man the recoil on that iron sighted AK is beautiful actually the jump of each round fired looks like legitimate GoPro footage
I like to play the Automatic machine gunner role but end up getting one tapped by the enemy after only a few bursts of fire. I hope the changes in suppression will make a big difference
Playtest 1 had significant changes that made MG roles feel like proper MGs. Playtest 2 nerfed some of those changes but still a big improvement from existing vanilla Squad.
I feel like the changes are a good step in the right direction as far as gunplay goes, but hot dang those visuals are sweet. The way the gasses distort the air on the SAW is awesome, plus the AS-VAL sound is clean AF
It's a big improvement to the gameplay, but it feels a bit too much on the gunplay. I'm pretty sure they can walk this in though and end up somewhere comfortable for all the core player-base.
Ultimately for me personally, I'd prefer a fun "authentic" experience than a realistic one and whilst some of the effects feel a bit overkill it does lend to that feeling of vulnerability.
I think they'd do well to add some depth to the stamina system with the regen rate being degraded the longer you are depleted, hopefully it would bring IFVs into the fight - at the moment it's usually better to run ~750m to an engagement than wait for a ride.
It's the one thing that really bothers me. IFVs/BMPs are hardly ever used for transport.
Problem is you walk back the gunplay changes, you walk back at least half gameplay improvement, they aren't seperate. They can't simulate your head moving without it being terrible (ex: how shaky VR footage is) so applying motion like that to the gun might be the abstract compromise to go with.
@@Gerwulf97 For sure I agree that mechanical skill is to some extent opposed to tactical gameplay. But I think it's an exponential thing, you need to nerf the ability to put accurate rounds out just enough to support the gameplay goals.
That’s the whole thing, there are sooo many games that already do what you’re looking for. Majority of the squad fan base want a realistic game so if you want something more casual play something else?
@@elijahbill9148 You're putting words in my mouth. I don't want a twitch shooter and haven't played them for a long time. I play 90% simulations, racing, flight, ARMA, etc. However the gun play, at least in the first playtest (haven't played the others) is OTT and there's not much about Squad that's realistic. Which is good, realism isn't fun. Squad is probably the most "casual" game I play, though it's probably not the right word. The medical system, the stamina system, weapon balancing, etc are all pretty gamified.
I'm fully in favor of these changes, however after playing I just think they all need to be pulled back a tad. I'm not saying this should be Counterstrike, I don't know how you got there.
@@Anonnymouse53well worded, squad is a slow paced casual game. Frustrating that all these people who dont play squad regularly want to turn it into arma rp or something and then more than likely just leave after the novelty wears off and they realize what a mediocre shooter theyre left with.
my dumbass shooting at the wrong building cuz my TL gave me a bearing in grid while looking at his topographic map and I'm shooting at magnetic
I love how I can shoot a fully automatic AR-15 and aim fine and hit stuff but yet in the game I can't even shoot a semi automatic without loosing full vision and my gun going nuts from recoil
Games are in a weird spot. IRL controlling these rounds is quite easy, but also, even a cursory look at how many rounds are fired vs how many hit show that even with these mechanics tuned all the way up it’s still easier to hit things than IRL. The issues IRL are not weapon control, it’s stress, confusion, ability to see where people are and a host of other things that games can’t control. So they have to dial up what they can control.
people fighting irl don’t have the time or guts to “ads” like people do in games or on a range. Lots of combat footage, and hell, even airsoft and paintball games see people point shooting, not properly shouldering, firing from the hip, firing while shifting balance, etc. These factors can’t really be emulated in games, not to mention the weight and bulk of full combat loads.
@thepeopleslibrary9345 yeah but lots of games have confusion. The game should make the player feel that, not artificially through bad, forced, mechanics that are cheesy as shit. It's a huge shortcut
6:29 "I think his mate saw me"
6:31 "Yes, yes he did"
The suppression does make sense where in real life, you not going to want to poke your head up in the slightest since you will die. There is none of this fear in a game, so you make the player not able to see if many bullets fly near you so that the player will not want to poke their head over the wall.
too much realism is not fun to play at all.
@@JackBoii Well, I very much enjoy the like of Arma with ACE medical and a bunch of other "realistic" mod. So I enjoy realism along with many others.
I do get though that it is not everyones 'cuppa tea.
4:35 - why is the scope trying to eat my eyeball. That needs to be changed big time.
Play test #2 is just bad, it's basically back to the vanilla. It's back to running and shooting with basically no effect in your ability to shot. Stamina is way too high qnd suppression is again gone.
Play test #1 was so much better, lone wolf wolf had no chances and teams that worked together would win.
It's sad to see you criticizing the changes and thinking the direction test #2 went.
Tried this game recently on a free weekend and damn was it fun and I`m really introvert but communicating with my squad felt so natural since people who play this seem to be really great and mature, love the game and the community.
i played a decent amount of squad some years earlier and i loved my time playing. When i look at these changes (havent played the new overhaul) i get the slim feeling that this is the case where chasing realism is getting just a bit over fun gameplay. i'm not saying its bad or there arent gonna be ppl that are not gonna like it. but from my point of view i feel more like they are putting more contrievances for the sake of realism and i'm not so sure that its a good idea or not. maybe once i actually play it i might like it but for now i dont feel overall positive about the change. At least they are trying something new tho, thats always cool to see.
I see Squad right now as being in an awkard position gameplay wise where it takes a while for squads to get to objectives and they get smoked in 5 seconds by dudes with ACOGs on full alto from nowhere. This update does more to increase survivability and firefight lengths, which makes the game more fun in general if you take your time and play more slowly.
I agree that its in an awkward position combat wise. It was even when i stopped playing. Change is indeed needed, but stuff like my screen getting super blurry when a shot comes over my head or when im running and i see a guy in front of my, it takes a loong while to be even able to shoot at the guy (like in the clip where he's entering the house)... im not sure if thats the right path. I know its a shitty thing to just say a change is not great without even saying any other solution, but the opinion is at least in good faith. Not to stay on the negatives only, the pip scopes are a much welcome change imo. From what I've see, it needs some slight tweeks but im super looking forward to how its gonna turn out.
This update isnt there to increase realism, its to make the game more tactical.
Thats the funny thing, is that sacrificing balance and replayability for "realism" isnt even all that realistic. Any true gun owner will see that the sway is extreme, and point fire is way too unstable, like you have a milk jug tied to the end of your barrel. Maybe the suppression is realistic, idk never been in combat, I dont serve, but from a game designers standpoint having an aneurysm whenever a bullet remotely passes by the character is not fun and a poor choice.
This whole update centers around punishing people for playing a video game like a video game rather than rewarding them for working together, which is MORONIC game design, unless you want to drive off players in the long term.
@@schmid1.079if tactics consists sitting in one place then sure. But it has certainly come at the expense of pushing and maneuvering around the enemy as it rewards sitting in one place by severely punishes attacking. Honsetly though, real life tactics dont translate 100% to a game because its a game. Its 100% cognitive and your life is not on the line. Increasing efficiency at completing a task is tactics. If you want a larper operator simulator where youre going through the motions of real life tactics, Arma RP is for you, not squad or any other competitive shooter.
"Pay your dues in blood" is so funny. I guarantee that's the guy that talks all the time about how he almost joined the military.
It’s really dumb that people are zealously arguing on how realistic/unrealistic the new combat is with their “military experience”, yet are still perfectly fine with all the other unrealistic elements in the game.
Like really? The gun swaying somewhat too much was the final straw and not the current vehicle armor system or helicopter physics?
This infantry gameplay is way more fun to watch!!! Thanks for the vids!!!
honnestly the clip where the carl gustav anti tank launcher takes a while to stay steady while aiming down makes total sense and is absolutely in the borders of well balanced
When u look at @operatordrewski clip at 2:17 you can see his stamina is also half drained.. so yes it will take longer. Its showing these types of examples that tells me he doesn't understand the mechanics enough or is just being disingenuous about it.
6:54 “we have a prairie fire emergency”
New cod update looking good
COD is woke,,,not getting my cash
We need more props inside the buildings man, it feels so empty..
gotta agree, even Arma Reforger buildings felt more lively
@@OperatorMax1993 Yeah bro
I think it will be nice if they dial back the recoil from what I've seen a bit. It seems a bit heavy-handed.
But I like the suppression. Vehicles should be able to make areas feel dangerous to players when hosing it down with HMG, because in real life, no one is going to be running out in front of a tank, especially when they're seeing it just spraying the area they're going to go with MG fire.
But the sway in aiming when you're not being suppressed does seem to be on the excessive side. But I like that the suppression mechanics force your hand a bit in the way people react to being shot at. One of the most annoying things in Squad before was using something like an MG and firing at guys to suppress them, only for them to effortlessly pop up under fire, shoot you and then go on their way.
been missing this squad content. always top notch.
At this point they should just do a poll in game and they see what people preferred.. If the poll gets 60% or more towards one side they favor that version and focus on making it closer to that. If its a 50/50 just make something in the middle. Tired of you tubers arguing realism not realistic or what's more fun or not more fun. Just let the players vote and show clearly what the majority favor.
Cool video, are you planning on making a video on the dcs f-15e
man, the overhaul looks alot more ''cinematic'' but i can see it feeling very frustrating to players
It's only frustrating if you play it like Call of Duty. If you play in a squad where everyone is willing to coordinate, it's actually better than normal Squad.
my only problem with squad is I can never get into a server. The lower ping servers closest to me are always full with a long queue or empty and on top of that if you make it through the queue half the time you get kicked or "disconnected by Host" simply for trying to play the game. Pretty much kills the game for me here on the east coast.
Squad devs if you see this, do not let up. You are currently in the process of changing fps games for the rest of near history.
No other game has taken this big of a leap to completely change the mechanics of fps games.
Drew ski with he best take of this overhaul so far
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I've wanted a topographic map for Squad for so long, I would love to see it finally implemented.
Realism guys don't want to hear it but realism is bad for gaming. Is a singular armored vehicle holding down a platoon that doesn't have effective AT realistic? Yea! But it's stupid in the context of a game. I think the changes to small arms are good for gameplay, but they probably shouldn't have fiddled with HAT like they did.
Finally a good take on this. The first playtest was too much. The second one has been really nice as you still feel like you can fight back a little. I'm sure they will meet somewhere in the middle of the two, but I would just like to be able to semi effectively fight back in a gunfight instead of just shooting bushes all game.
When it comes to games, hyperrealism is not fun to play. There is no way for owi to code adrenaline and stress, along with fear so gameplay will suffer if those things are attempted too heavily
It depends on the type of game really, a squad being pinned down by an armored vehicle just gives another squad or vehicle crew the opportunity to have their hero moment. They get to take out the armored vehicle, and let their teammates move freely which could win them the match. However for something more like Battlefield, that would be pretty silly to have a quarter of the team pinned down because there is nothing they can use to take out the armor.
maybe get better AT idk
I feel the pain of those topographic maps.
Honestly need it as a toggleable option
Lol at 16:50 I love how he tries to shoot the rocket
It’s quite scary seeing someone look at you from a distance in the dark behind a tree.
The gun at 18:33: don't mind me. I'm just gonna scoot on over there
this is fkin intense. the communication makes it intense