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It's my belief that as far as workers rights and healthcare for the ordinary Joe is concerned, the USA is a failed state
It is. Amazon is one of the wealthiest companies and yet some of the workers are wearing diapers because they don't get bathroom breaks and more than 10% of the workers need food stamps to live.
@@ppunion That is inhumane. How is that legal??
yes they are good at many things, but they shit on their people to be good at them
U s a. Is a stupid country, only money counts the few rich get it all
Sadly (and NO matter how Connor tries to couch his sentiments), he HAS to defend the US or throw shade in the direction of the person or video he is reacting with. He finds it difficult to believe America is not the greatest country or that they ONLY do things for the 'Almighty Dolllar'... 😢
We have what we have in the UK because previous generations fought for our workers rights
Also we had wealthy people who had a conscience and wanted to help the poor and unfortunate, we also had women who risked their lives to get the vote and change the world they where living in
barely risked their lives.
@@ITzDaveXD But they did
@@ITzDaveXD Showing your ignorance there. How many times have you stood up and fought for human rights?
@@ITzDaveXD??? a few dead women is all the proof you really need. Educate yourself.
@@ITzDaveXD really, don't you know the history of the suffragettes.
C'mon Connor, how on earth can you possibly defend a system that deprives people of basic rights. Is that where the "freedom" enters the debate? 😐
@@nathankirwan2565 rational human beings
@@nathankirwan2565 do you enjoy rimming the organisation who would replace you on Monday of you died tomorrow?
Not sure what you were watching, but at no point did he defend the American system. In fact he did nothing but agree with Evan
It bloody isn’t. It’s basic human decency ffs
Not really. He balked at the word’unions’. If you don’t have the right to strike, then you’re just slaves
I'm older generation, but back in 1971 I had a bike accident and broke my leg. I had just started my 2nd year as an apprentice, and my work made my sick pay up to full wages for the 5months I was off. Just over 2 years later, I had a car accident, and again my company made my sick pay up to full wages for 18 months!
I consider myself very lucky, but there again my company valued me as an employee.
I dread to imagine what would have happened to me in the USA. Apart from all the pain etc, massive hospital bills and zero money.
I was the owner/manager of a very small service company that employed a high percentage of women ( an average 4 males, and 16 females). Not surprising dealing with pregnancies was a regular issue. it was never a significant business problem, just another issue we needed to deal with. From memory I believe the mums all took 52 weeks maternity, but we knew well in advance and as the company was growing we would employ someone on maternity cover for the 52 weeks and quite frequently kept them on after “mum” came back to work. The “government” I.e society dealt with a percentage of the weekly payments that we gave our mums but we could in the main claim back most from the state. I am now retired at 67 and have nothing but very positive memories of “mums” on and after maternity leave. It benefited them I believe, and also my company in terms of retaining good staff, and creating a very good working atmosphere for all. I also believe maternity and paternity leave is now much more interchangeable. Perhaps someone else can advise.
28:30 Sorry wtf did you just say Connor? "it will improve, as im sure it has in the past" Tell me you know nothing about the last 100 years of your country's history without directly telling me
Yeah they got nothing 100 years ago, and they get the same now 😂
@@101steel4 If anything, the USA *used* to have more social services than they do now, its ONLY gotten worse with time, and since the 80s and Reagan era especialyl.
He said American Style Improve and by that it means for the Employer lol American Business Culture doesn't value American Citizens or any workers as people with real lives just as a resource to be used.
I've only watch a few of his videos and I can't quite tell if he's just brainwashed, naive or dumb or a mix of all three.
@@michael_177 yep things used to be much better, same with public transport infrastructure
Yes those scenarios happen Conner. People have holidays and then get sick. Companies accept it in the UK, and here in NZ and Australia. Happened to me. Had a long holiday, then had stress leave and still got paid and was encouraged to take a bit longer so I was a 100 percent
Those things also happen in Germany, where I live, and other European countries. I honestly have no idea why any American would defend their lacking system. There's third-world countries with better labour laws than the US.
Depending on the company and country, you may also need a doctor's certificate of incapacity for work. In most countries, the remainder of your vacation is available again after you have been notified that you are healthy. Usually you cannot simply take the remaining vacation days afterwards, but have to apply for a new period. All of this depends on collective agreements and employment contracts or your direct manager/ team.
In the UK you can normally self-certificate as sick for a week. After that you need a doctor's note, but often you’ll have a grace period where you can phone in and say “I’m still sick, I’m getting a sick note, my appointment is on such and such a date.”
Depending on your employer, if you regularly get sick after a holiday you might get into trouble. Also, if you change jobs, it can cause issues, it’s common to ask about sick leave over the last year or more and if that’s seen as excessive you won’t be offered the job. But, of course it can happen, and I’ve been in the opposite situation. I was part of a tiny organisation, the boss went on holiday and fell ill on the last day. He was unfit to work for a week and we couldn’t really do much until he was back… that was fun.
Yes very same in Poland
I nearly moved to the US. As much as I liked the places I've been to and met the people I did. I am glad I stayed in the UK.
My cousin moved there about a decade ago. He's had enough now and is planning to return asap.
10 years of constant work has aged him massively. The system is terrible out there, especially for someone not used to it.
In his words. The government treat people like shit, like slaves.
@@101steel4 well, they have experience in that field
@@ocrOPK So does England, Do you realise that even the African people had slaves, who do you think we bought them off? We bought them from the Africans themselves.
Not onl;y that, almost every Culture had slaves, it was the norm. Idk why people always shout at America for the slaves.
Britain was only second to Portugal for countries with the most slave trading, America were not even in the top 5 of most slave trading.
Also 'slave' comes from the word 'Slav'. Eastern Europeans that were taken as slaves by the Muslims of Spain in the 9th century.
Nothing to do with the new world.
My wife adores the US and sometimes mentions about living there, and I always point out that she has only been there on holiday and everything is rosey when you’re on leisure time. It’s a different kettle of fish to live there when you’re used to European labour laws. The UK isn’t the greatest in this respect but the basics are something to hold on to.
21:26 Unions fought for ALL of those rights in the UK.
Maybe we`re not as individualistic as Americans and find working together to achieve goals easier.
A history of Union support and MAJOR funding for the Labour party, unfluencing policy.
And from some of the wealthy, noteably Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn, a sense of `noblesse oblige`.
Also unions in America had associations with the mafia and criminality, which means they wern`t as trusted.
Not just unions, worker's right extend across the EU.
"Maybe we`re not as individualistic as Americans and find working together to achieve goals easier."
You hit the nail on the head, in the US, the much vaunted American rugged individualism has created a country where not succeeding, regardless of the reason, is considered to be totally the individual's fault. Government seems to be more concerned with doing things for the benefit of corporations rather than the people.
Mr Benn or, briefly, the 2nd Viscount Stansgate but never Sir Anthony.
You asked why USA is so different, well UK and Europe used to have no employee rights, same as the US. But trade unions fought for workers rights. Political parties which were focused on workers rights gained power. And employers are human beings too, who also get sick, want holidays, have children and cope with bereavement. I don't know US history enough to be able to say why those political forces didn't happen in America. Perhaps you could explain that to us!
In the UK the history of the trade union movement, look up the Tolpuddle Martyrs. They weren't the first union, unions had been springing before then, but they are the most famous.
Communism and socialism were labeled evil after the WWII and trade unions' political power was restricted by law. But yes, it would be great if Connor could make a video on this development!
It wasn’t just trade unions,as Politicians did it,as well.
Yes, the land of the free, the freedom to go broke, I'm so glad I'm from England 🏴😀
In world rankings for freedom and democracy, the USA isn't even in the top ten.
@@grahvis they have the most incarcerated of any country and the worst prison conditions in the developed world.
Land of the fee, home of the greed
Nice to hear that lots of people are really critiding us and theyvare British
Yes. Free to die cause you can't afford healthcare, free to be homeless cause you lost your job for no reason, freedom to die of stress and overwork cause you need 3 jobs to get by. I also am grateful to be British.
I'm from germany but I think it is kinda the same in whole Europe: Companies are not allowed to fire you because of sickness. To get fired you have to make something very wrong on the job (twice). I did have colleagues who were sick for two years and they could not fire them but after 6 weeks sick leave the company is not paying him, he will get his payment from his health insurance. I'm no expert in this but this is what my colleagues told me.
By the way when you get sick while on holiday you give the doctors note to the company and get back the days of sickness for holiday.
Sorry Connor, despite your indocrination (correct word to use), the US flat out sucks in a lot of ways. Its a great tragedy that not more people over there aknowledge that. In the 60s, the US was world leading in wellfare you know..
connor once again defending the great united states lack of basic worker rights
@@nathankirwan2565 well for us in Europe it is basic rights. "Nice to have" must be a USA thing. I have visited the US twice, I would never ever want to live there, it treats it workers poorly. It is disgusting how bad it is in the US.
He usually defends most of the good old USAs' lack of human rights, a lot of Americans seem to. Might be why naff all changes!
@@DarkSister. That is because they are brainwashed from a very young age. America, or much more accurately, USA, is THE greatest and best country in the World, or so they are told. Recently, I have been watching a lot of You Tube clips, showing various reacters reacting to health care and workers rights etc.... Connor is not the only one to defend USA no matter how badly his country treats its citizens. He asks in this clip why USA does treat people so apallingly, but he infact has already answered his own question earlier in the clip. The main reason is because USA ONLY believes in making money and following the American dream. Stuff the actual people, especially if they are costing the wealthy capitalists money.
@@nathankirwan2565 They are set in stone in my country !! They are Law so they are not " nice to have " but a basic right by law unless you don't accept law in a democratic country ?
Basic rights are a right. A human right. Not something that's just "nice" to have. In civilised countries anyway.
Why? In a single word -> unions.
You only need a doctors note if your off for longer than 2 weeks sick, and then you get a self certified doctors note from the doctors receptionist without having to see the doctor
Ummm...I'm not quite sure you're right here. At the present moment, 'If employees are off work for 7 days or less, they do not need to give their employer a fit note or other proof of sickness from a healthcare professional.' (www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave). However, the employer has the right to ask what it is you're suffering from. If you are ill longer than that time, then the employer has the right to ask you for 'self-certification' proof (such that can be obtained from numerous sources), as detailed, amongst other useful information, on the site. Robert, UK.
@@2eleven48Correct, you can self certify for up to a week
@@brooza664 ....Ta. Robert.
I suddenly lost somebody very close to me last year (non-family), and phoned up my employer to say that I just couldn't come in that day as I couldn't think straight. They said that they could let me have a week off unpaid, but that I could take it as paid holiday if I wanted. So I did end up getting paid for the week. Not sure if that was legally required, but it does illustrate the culture around these things.
I live in the Netherlands and last year i took 3 weeks of vacation, but on my first day i got sick so i reported that to my employer and he told me, just tell me when you are feeling better, so from that time i was with sick leave and was still entitled to my vacation days after i told him i was better again. Thats the way it always has been here
You can do the same in Australia!
Same in the UK, ditto maternity leave, you can still claim all your usual leave in addition to the official maternity leave.
In Portugal is the same.
Same in the UK too. We all have a really good system in Europe
Same in Sweden
I'm from the UK, pretty much every European country is on the same page and with regards to workers rights. We also know the US is way, way behind everyone else on pretty much everything.
Never believe anything Evan says he is wrong 99.999 % of the time, we do have maternity leave, sick leave in the US, he worked at a fast food places for two years as a teenager , that is his only work experience in the US.
@@marydavis5234 The point Evan was making, and he was utterly correct on, is that there is no mandate for any of it in the USA. Sure, some companies may do some stuff for certain level of employees but that's it. In other countries those 'benefits' are automatically for EVERYONE. No matter how high or how low your position is, you are entitled to it.
Your personal experience means diddlysquat.
Does every Amazon worker get paid sick leave? Does every employee in the hospitality industry get 20+ paid vacation days? Does every factory worker in any industry no matter if they are a manager or a blue collar worker get paid paternity leave? Do nurses get their vacation days back if they get sick during their vacation?
In the UK and the EU they do, automatically.
@@PDVism Companies have the same benefits for all employees not just some employees and Evan did not even have a real job when he was living in the US.
@@marydavis5234 So it's not just the workers on the floor at Amazon who have heavily monitored pee breaks but even the COO, CFO and CEO?
Oh wait, you meant the other way around, all people working for Amazon have a company car with a company driver?
Right?
GTFO, you are grasping at straws and lying when saying that companies don't have different benefits for different employees.
Evan himself even mentioned that there are some companies that give paid time off, or paid sick leave... the point remains that you can't deny that in the US it's :
1/ not common
2/ far less then in other countries
Who the eff cares what kind of job Evan had when he was in the USA. To this day are the conditions he described true for a very large chunk of the working people or not?
In my country, if you work full time that means 38 hrs a week, you get 10 paid holidays + 20 vacation days + you won't lose a dime even if you are off work for 30 days in a row.
And that no matter if you flip burgers, clean toilets, are an electrician, engineer or a rocket scientist.
By the by, lil' miss bigot, what do you call not a real job?
Care to pull your head out of your ass and see how many people HAVE to work those 'not real jobs' to put food on the table?
Oh wait, lemme guess, you think that it's jut their own fault to have been born poor, getting bad education from underpaid teachers, not having the money to go to college, not being able to rely on the connection of dear 'papa' etc...
Why would I be not surprised if you were fond of red hats and an orange failed businessman.
@@marydavis5234
1. Working in the fast food industry (even part time), is a real job.
2. Working these jobs in any other county gets you the same benefits as working anywhere else.
3. You have just insulted millions of workers around the world who work these jobs.
I'm so glad I live in the UK.
It seems as though the US economy is set up for healthy, driven people with high energy and an ambition to monetary wealth. If you aren't a high achiever, or in permanent good physical and mental health, or your medical insurance limit is reached, you're out on your ear, might end up in a tent, and that's just too bad. It seems ruthless and harsh.
I know it's a different mindset to the UK, where the State has a much stronger role in providing a safety net for people who have chronic poor health or limited prospects. However, having family money, and going to particular schools, certainly affect your career opportunities and health outcomes in the UK 😊xx
This is a true story: I had been working at a company for 2.5 years.. I was well respected and promoted twice in this time... My father was then diagnosed with Cancer (He died less than 5 weeks after diagnosis... I'm serious, it was devastating!)
My CEO and Chief HR officer gave me 2 months paid leave.. then graduated me back to work by doing 10 hours in week 1.. and ramping up to 35 hours by week 6. 'Above & Beyond!'
I will always, always, be grateful to that company. The decency was shocking! I did end up joining a new company but .. to this day: I will never say a bad word against that company!!!
In Britain we have fought for these rights over many years. We were the first country to recognise the weekend .
Paternity leave isn't just about the father bounding with their baby it's also to help the mother, after being in labour, for sometimes days, the mother is going to obvious be tired, soar and in pain, but still has to look after a newborn, so fathers should get at least 6wks off to help with the baby, help the mother and so both parents can get into a routine with their child
As a Brit I find it disgusting we only give men 2 wks off
In Ireland Paternity leave is 7weeks and can be taken over 2yrs
@@martinaburke1469 the way it should be
Men in the UK can get more than 2 weeks off, but it reduces the mother's maternity leave allowance. No idea how it works in practice as I've never seen it actually used
Parents in Sweden are entitled to 480 days of paid parental leave when a child is born or adopted. Each parent - should they be two - is entitled to 240 of those days. that's 16 months / 64 weeks. the parents chose themselves how they want to split them.
Statistically, fathers in Sweden currently average around 30% of all paid parental leave.
You can take those days out Freely untill the childs 4th birthday. Or untill the child is 12 years old, But you can only save to use a combined 96 days after the 4th birthday.
@@brooza664 Shared Parental Leave & Pay, introduced 2015. Take-up is low I guess because it reduces how much time off the mother gets, and if taken in parallel shortens the time for which the child can have at least one birth parent caring for it.
I don't know if it exists in USA, but we have a concept called Flexi-time in UK. Basically, as long as you work a minimum number of hours a week, and your work is done, you can come and go as you please and no one will ask where you are going or where you've been. Arriving to work late is no longer a thing and parents can arrange their hours to suit their children's school times etc. I loved it when I worked that way, it feels very relaxed and chilled out.
I think I heard of this but I haven't found any work that does this, do you know what jobs/companies do Flexi time?
@@pipercharms7374 I used to work for Assurant Solutions in the UK and they had flexi-time. There was a core time of 10am till 4pm when you had to be there, but otherwise you could come in and go when you liked, as long as you did the minimum amount of hours in the week. Funny thing is, Assurant is a US based company :-)
All jobs I've had in Sweden has this, if you work more than the 8 hours standard one day you may leave early another day, or collect the flex hours to take a whole day or two off.
@@matshjalmarsson3008 Mmm, that sounds 8 hours sound like a normal shift then your done? though collect the flex hours sound unusual to me?
When I worked for the probation service, our contract said that we should work 155 hours in any four week period. As the job quite often involved evening and weekend work, it was fine not to come in for a morning if you had worked late the night before. Obviously it was courteous to let your manager and colleagues know your whereabouts. The reality was that the flexibility meant that most people worked in excess of their contracted hours.
My husband and i both work for decent companies and have 32 days + bank holidays but after returning 4 days a week after having our son, even pro rata its 25.5 days + bank holidays, my company also offers 4 months full sick pay with the next 2 months paid at half. Im very thankful that our rights were fought for.
Also, regarding paternity leave, i had am emergency section with our son and so wasnt able to lift him myself for the first few weeks, i was going to have my mum stay but it was during lockdown so my husbands company just gave him extended full pay leave to support me. We both love our jobs and i cant say we'd consider leaving either and that's in many ways due to their supportive nature so id say it most definitely helps keep staff by being flexible and respectful mutually. I cant imagine its the same in America where you stay more out of fear of losing health insurance etc
“What if you’re sick?” That would have nothing to do with unlimited vacation time Connor, vacation is not used for sickness in the UK. If you’re sick when you’re on vacation you can claim the time back
This inst the American dream wake up america
In the UK, it is actually illegal for a woman to go back to work within two weeks after giving birth, or four weeks if she works in a factory.
Judging by the number of Japanese tourists flocking to Australia each year, (down a bit since Co-Vid), it seems to me that Japanese workers have plenty of paid leave.
Cheers!
Over here in Europe a large amount of companies have a Collective Labor Agreement. This agreement contains your working hours, holiday hours, some secondary conditions and some more conditions. In Europe worker unions are the ones in discussion about the collective labor agreements with the companies and they ARE for the workers and NOT for the companies. They are there for the worker rights and that is also one of the reasons you find worker strikes here in Europe.
Some of those agreements are settled by law, like for instance when a parent, child or a sibling dies, how much leave you have, that's up to and including the of day the funeral. A grandparent the day of the funeral. Even wedding anniversaries are mentioned in your contract.
In most companies you have to ask for a (holiday) leave a few weeks in advance and in a factory they will work with a minimum amount of workers, the workers have their holidays in shifts, like 2-3 workers per 3 weeks spread out during the summer months. The workers without children take their holidays in general outside the school holidays as you understand the workers with children can have family holidays.
I even have 8 hours per year that I can take for dental, doctor (and other medical) appointments.
Last year when my mum was in hospital I had an agreement with my boss that I notified him when I needed to take time of to go to the hospital for my mum. It cost me no holiday leave, nothing.
Even when she died and the funeral was on Wednesday I was asked if I wanted to come back on Thursday or the next Monday and I choose the next Monday as I had to take care of certain things.
America nice country for nature but not so nice work, political culture.
I am sitting on my couch in Liverpool UK on my normal weekend off, I have just got back from a week in Italy, we are off to Crete for 14 days in July and I am just booking a 5 day break to Krakow in October, I still have 11 day's holiday to play with.I am a prison officer so not on a high salary. These right's were fought for after WW2 by my father and his generation, every developed country in the world has similar rights so I can only assume your just not developed enough over there yet, on a serious note, do you know that an asthmatic in the USA pays about $240 for a blue inhaler (without insurance) but in the UK it's about $10 or free for children, just think about that, you can't afford insurance in the USA and your child needs an inhaler, that is what a free market capatalist society really looks like, USA is about the individual, mention looking after each other and your politicians (republicans) shout socialism, really!!!!
If you or someone you know has asthma, stock up on inhalers when you go to Crete. They only cost around €3 over the counter.
On Tuesday, I had an operation to remove part of my bowel because of early stage cancer. I had paid time off to attend the medical appointment and scans, paid time off for my hospital stay, (which cost nothing, incidentally), and will have as much paid time off as I need to recover. I have no medical bill to pay, so I don't have any worries about anything other than getting better. This is quite normal in the UK
I have also worked for US companies, who were shocked, when they opened an office in London, that there were all of these 'workers rights', I worked for them for seven years, after which they were taken over by another US company, who introduced universal 'at will employment' contracts, which I refused to sign, as they are illegal in the UK, so I was let go. I took them to court for unfair dismissal, won my case, and was awarded one year's salary tax-free payable immediately. So I took a month off for a holiday and got another job.
The thing which US corporations don't get is that if you treat people like shit, they will not work as hard for you. Take the example of the Ford Motor Company. Their highest productivity rate per employee is in Germany, where it is nearly impossible to fire anyone without giving them a year's notice, and where they have a statutory six weeks of paid vacation every year, and typically work a 36 hour week.
The other thing that people outside the US don't do is have endless meetings. If you are paid to take responsibility for something, you are trusted to make a decision about it. It is expected that occasionally things go wrong, but unless you have been negligent, you will not be punished for it. So the hours you spend at work are productive ones, not wasted time trying to spread around the blame in case things go wrong.
I saw a similar video comparing America. 0 paid holiday 0 paid vacation 0 sick pay in America, that’s really some 3rd world country shit. It’s sad that the worlds richest nation has such little regard for their own people. The video said that’s there’s not even mandated maternity pay. While even in Ethiopia, 90 days leave at full pay. It also gave some shocking facts. Apparently the USA has more police shootings than Sudan and Afghanistan
There are countries in Africa, South and Central America that give you paid days too by law.
I have had HR managers come to me and say "You still have X amount of vacation days. Please take them. NOW!" So I took a week of paid vacation. I have had managers send me home, because I had some extra hours for that month.
Americans are treated so badly in the workplace. I've been completely shocked watching these comparison videos at how bad it truly is. I'm from the UK and have 28 days paid leave. I also have bank holidays to add to this (about 7 or 8 a year usually). Another benefit with my particular employer is the option to BUY up to 10 extra days leave entitlement, which I've done. America, land of the free? I think not! I feel so sorry for you guys.
I couldn’t agree more with this! I have a new-found appreciation for the UK after watching all these videos and seeing just how bad they have it in America! I have never felt so relieved to be here - we really do have it so good here in terms of paid leave and just holidays in general.
Evan know nothing about how American companies work, he worked a pizza hut aka a fast food chain as a teenager before he moved to England. And We do have sick leave and maternity leave in the US.
We see freedom and solidarity as something different than USA!
That's why we in my country and in most countries in Europe have free healthcare and free medicine after a certain sum. For example, people with Diabetes 1 and 2 and rheumatism get all care, equipment and medicine such as pumps, syringes, insulin etc. for free (in my country)!
That’s why all dental care up to age 23 is free and thereafter subsidized!
That's why we have statutory vacations of 5-6 weeks, often more (and paid with 115%)! And get full paid at all public holidays (about 10 days)!
That’s why our education up to the University is free and that the state subsidizes student loans, even the food at school is free for all students!
That’s why we have parental leave at the birth of a child, 480 days to use freely until the child reaches the age of 12! You can keep 80% of the salary and almost all employers want you to take time off so that you feel comfortable at work!
That's why you get to keep 80% of your salary when you are sick and at the same time expected to be home!
That's why it is illegal for employers to dismiss anybody if you have not committed an obvious crime and if you negotiate with the union about it!
That’s why many more people here dare to invest in starting a company because they know that if it goes bankrupt, you will not be left completely without security!
That’s why we have freedom to Roam so that everyone has the right to be in nature no matter who owns the land! You can hike, tent, fish, pick berries / mushrooms and swim in all lakes without any sign with, no trespassing! An individual should not be able to prevent the freedom of others!
That's why you can vote from home on many different parties or go to the polls directly in your vicinity! Parties that anyone can start without being dependent on financial conditions or receiving "bribes" from lobbyists!
I could go on, but I think this is enough… You, who have the world's greatest wealth per capita, even if you stop stealing other countries' natural resources, could have a completely different standard of living for everyone in your country, if you dared to fight companies and a military force, whose cost is greater than the next 20 countries' spending on their military!
I really hope more individuals in your country can and dare to show what it can look like and that you succeed in getting people to think!
I work to live not live to work . I'm part time and get 29 days paid holiday . Just got back from majorca holiday 😊.
Ooh nice, hope you had a great time! I'm jealous.
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517 I did thank you .
It's ok Connor, you take your time learning and questioning. Keeping an open mind and being willing to accept new knowlege that might contradic previous belifes is one of the most important aspects of espanding your undestanding.
Paid holidays, Luxembourg.
Private sector 26 days.
Public sector 32 days. (Extra for older or disabled workers.)
Plus 11 paid public holidays both sectors.
3 days for a death of a close family member.
2 days for moving house.( Once every three years.)
In the UK, Men get just two weeks Paternity Leave and women get 52 weeks Maternity Leave. However a woman can share her Maternity leave with her partner except for the first couple of weeks after the birth. This means that if the pregnant woman is the higher earner she can (If she and her partner agree), return to work shortly after the birth leaving the lesser paid partner to receive the lower payment of Maternity leave.
For the first week you "self certificate" then after that you need a back to work note which means the doctor has to sign to say you are well enough to "go back to work" if you're off for another week sick. And you get paid sickness.
You might want to research the history of workers’ rights in the U.S., Connor, so you can find out why US workers are entitled to so little compared their European counterparts. It would be interesting to contrast and compare your history and status quo with more progressive countries like, for instance, Australia, Sweden or the UK.
Driven by dollar greed.
In my organisation we get 6 months fully paid sick pay and 6 months half pay pay every year.
I work for an American company in the UK. I get 30 days holiday PLUS all bank holidays (normally 8, but 9 this year).
I also get 1 year paid sick leave.
Another thing in the UK, if you are sick while on holiday/leave/vacation, we can claim back our holiday days, and the days we were sick turn into paid sick days.
UK based, not related to statutory requirement . I received a phone call one morning on the way to work from the wife of one of my team members. She told me their 6 month old daughter have been diagnosed with a brain tumour. Once at work I pull my regional manager to one side and explained the situation. We agreed that the guy should not come into work. He was off for 6 months with full pay and did not lose any other benefit's , Leave etc. My only requirement was to ring when HE felt it necessary to contact me. His daughter made an excellent recovery, and is now 18 years of age. I would be interested to learn how this situation would be handled in the USA.
I changed jobs at the same company (went from agency to full time employment) the company has pay rises every April and I had started in February on a 6months probation period. Didn't think I'd qualify for the pay rise as in probation and not applicable to me.....well....as it turns out ALL permanent employees gets the rise including me! We have 6months full sick pay and 6months half pay. Maternity pay is 6months full, 3months 90% 3months half then no pay up to another year
Many rights in the UK have been fought for over many years by Unions, The USA have Unions so I’d have to ask what do they do? Why aren’t they fighting for workers rights?
Last year I was forced to take two weeks off, so decided to book a cruise around the Canary islands in the Atlantic ocean. And still carried over 5 days holiday to this year.
I just can't understand the logic of having sick workers come. They could just spread their illness to other workers , and someone who is ill or in pain is most likely not going to be productive as they would be if they were well. Surely the food/medical industry should show care to their customers/patients ?! If a worker has something contaigous I don't want them handling my food or coming into contact with those are for instance imuno compromised.
On the 'why' question: a lot of things come down to personal incentives. In the US, which has so fully embraced the shareholder value theory of corporate purpose that they've had it written into law, executives at large companies are massively rewarded for short-term gains (they get a bonus based on the share value, which can only be controlled by improving quarterly reports). This then leads to decisions and lobbying based on making those reports look as great as possible, which leads to everything being about juicing the current quarter at the expense of long-term concerns (particularly slightly abstract or diffuse concerns like long-term productivity; things that are Somebody Else's Problem). Europe typically has a different definition of fiduciary responsibility for directors and executives that's both about long-term value, and also about more than just financial value (often including wider social impact). Executives are then more likely to be rewarded for decisions that balance all those concerns. As to why this isn't changed, I think some of it comes from the religiosity of the US compared to other western countries. The meme-y name for it is 'Supply Side Jesus' and the more academic name is the Prosperity Gospel: the idea that being poor shows you've lost God's favour and are therefore morally lacking (and conversely, the rich are righteous). In other words, it would be actively *immoral* to do anything that made people's lives more equitable (let alone equal).
In the UK if you work for the NHS, you are entitled to 6 months full pay if you are off sick. The only problem with this is that it encourages employees to take time off, even if they are not sick. Also you do need a sick note from your doctor after 7 days.
I think I would like some evidence of this, not something from the Daily Mail or the SUN.
Yes,but the NHS will find out if they are real or genuine,as they will check them out.
I find it funny,that these idiots are stupid enough to do this:within a medical-organisation.
Most places(That had in-house doctors & medical-staff:-) would send people there,to get them assessed,anyway.
This I think,was to get a second-opinion from a fellow-professional & was handy in tribunal-cases.
So for instance,in the military:sick service-people would have to see the military-doctor or MO.
Malingerers & fakes,would get chewed-out,as the doctor is also an officer too.
I live in Germany. In 2017, I returned from a vacation in Africa and shortly after became seriously ill for more than a year. For the first six weeks, my company was required by law to pay 100% of my salary. After six weeks, my health insurance company is required to pay 70% of my salary until I recover or die. During this time, my company had to pay the gap at 100% for the next 52 weeks. This is part of my contract and was negotiated by the union for the industry I work in. When I returned to my office after my recovery, I participated in a program for recovering employees. I began working only two hours a day. Over the course of three months, the workload increased week by week. I was the one who said how much I wanted to work. If I overestimated my abilities and didn't feel comfortable, I could go back to a lower number of hours or extend the three-month period any time. This program was monitored by our company doctor. All the time, I received my full salary and never had to worry about losing my job. That's the way it's supposed to be by law. Because of some remaining problems, I kept the status of a disabled person. Because of this, I received six additional vacation days (PTO) per year, which adds up to 36 days, as well as some tax breaks and other benefits. The vacation days I accrued and could not take during my illness were not lost and were credited. Upon my return, I had several months of paid vacation to take. My company and I entered into an additional contract that give me the right to start and end my days as I see fit, and also to choose whether to go to the office or work from home (WFH). Thanks to all this freedom, I can now usually work more than I should. I have been working for this company since 2010. Because of this small investment in my personal career, the company still has a skilled and experienced employee making a lot of money for them. In the U.S., I would be homeless or more like dead.
Connor, it was painful to see you realize the rights we have here in other countries.. The reason is very simple: we have strong unions that fight for our rights and defend them. Around 70% of the citizens are members of unions. We also have a multiple parties and a coalition government of 4-5 parties, so that the workers have a loud voice in the government, too. And how did we get here? A bloody civil war in 1918, then a war against Russia in 1939-1944... A divided and poor nation was unified and built a country based on European and Nordic values. Now we live in a social democracy where nobody is ultra rich but most of us live a decent life. All the best from Finland!
in 1939-1945 ww2 the russians were on our side uk
@@eileentaylor1691 Russia had made a pact with Germany that they would divide Eastern Europe between the two of them. Russia attacked Finland in 1939. Check out the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
16:30 French here.
For your example, you take your holidays off, no issue. Then when coming back, you get sick. You will need a doctor note to confirm you are sick (cost of going to the doctor is 1€), but then you get (paid) sick days for as long as the doctor said. The company is NOT ALLOWED by law to fire you while you're sick. So they usually take temporary workers to replace you, and once you come back, you take your job back.
For very long disease, where you are absent for months or years, the company can replace you with a non-temporary worker, but they still are obligated by law to keep you on their payroll (part of the salary is paid by the healthcare system, though), and to give you back a job once you return from sickness.
you are very correct about japan also not using their holidays, and with this work place culture comes the sky high suicide rates in japan. Work life balance is for the best of the individuals mental and physical health, not taking time off only benefits the employer, not the employee.
In Sweden people pay a max sum of 120$ for doctor visits and 240$ for medicin if its prescripted medicin. When you reach these two sums medicin and doctors appointments are free for up to 12 months.
In UK visiting the doctor is completely free, though if it's not urgent you will have a wait. Each item on a prescription is £9.65. For people on a lot of drugs like me :( you can buy 12 months certificate for £111.60 which covers everything you'll need. People on certain benefits, kids and over 60s (me) get all drugs completely free.
Last job I had in the UK was working for a US based multinational but when I got sick, I only ever needed to get a doctor's note once that I can recall, one time I had an illness that had me off for over a week. Just to reiterate it was an American company but they - as many UK based companies do - just paid my normal wage when I was sick.
I'm sure some people might abuse it, but if it's a safety net that's always there the temptation to abuse it is not great. Especially when combined with the ~30 days of annual leave on top of it.
Everywhere is more or less better than the US.
Well, at least everywhere in the comparable western world. Don't forget about a lot of struggling countries.
It’s very simple, in the US -
Employers don’t give a shit about you because it’s all about the money.
Businesses don’t give a shit about you because it’s all about the money.
Politicians don’t give a shit about you because it’s all about the money.
Your doctor doesn’t give a shit about you because it’s all about the money.
In the entire civilised world - apart from the US, the people actually have a say in how they are treated so are not slaves.
In the US, the “Land of the free”, the people are completely and utterly slaves to the dollar.
Land of the free is the biggest lie ever told.
In Europe (EU, not UK) you are not even allowed to ask an employee what the issue is when an employee calls in sick. If I call in sick, that is it. No proof or whatever needed, employees are much better protected here than in the US.
One thing he didn’t mention about the American Family Leave Act is that if you’re working for a +50 employee company and are entitled to use it, you MUST use up any and all of your paid sick leave and vacation days (if your employer gives you those benefits) before the family leave act can be used.
If you’re taking the piss, your manager will have a word. If you do have recurring health issues it won’t be hard to prove. In the UK, you can get fired easily if you’ve been working less than two years, but I believe specifically firing people if they have valid sick leave is prohibited, same as with pregnancy. Hard to prove, though unless they are stupid enough to literally _say_ why they fired you.
We have 10 sick days per year, up from 5 a year ago. Also if you were off work due to Covid, our government paid an amount per week. When the whole country was in lockdown for about a month, we still got paid. Yay New Zealand.
Most UK employers allow you to 'self certify' days off due to illness for up to 7 to 10 days in any 1 (rolling) year (depending on the employer). After that, they will require a sick note from your doctor to confirm that you have a long term medical condition.
For the first seven days you self certify. A doctors note is required after that and can be issued for upto 13 weeks.
probably because they have healthy boundaries on work and it encourages people to actually do work because they aren't sick of being there when they spend 80 hours a week there AKA 320 a month, most people do the "very least" of 40 hours a week but that's not enough to survive for a lot of people
In my country there is a system in place to notice if you call in sick a lot but that's not so they employer can nail you, dock your pay, fire you or anything like that, it's so that they can help you when something is wrong, find out if there are physical or mental health issues at play and help you get the treatment you need.
In the UK, employees can self-certificate for sickness for the first 7 days. If their sickness continuous past that then they do need to provide a doctors certificate. UK employers do track sickness absence / sick pay and we have whole processes in place to manage absence (both returning to work and abuses of the system)
We trust each other
It's not quite so rosey in the UK for some. There is no obligation for companies to pay sick pay & some minimum/low pay jobs don't, so you may have to get "statuary sick pay" through the D.S.S. At the level it is set it doesn't necessarily cover your bills. Also statutory sick pay is not paid for the first two of three (I can't remember) days. I know people who use their holiday pay instead because they can't afford to do otherwise.
usually if your sick for a week you can get a self cert sick line in the doctors, they sit at counter but if you are off for more than a week you see the doctor FREE OF CHARGE for a sick line.
Two weeks ago a member of my family fell ill on a Sunday morning, One phone call later an Ambulance arrived and he was whisked off to Hospital. Numerous tests later , blood and MRI Scan, he was admitted for expert opinions. The next day ,Monday) more scans before a transfer to another Hospital. Tuesday morning into Theatre for an urgent operation on a tumour in the brain. On Friday released from Hospital for home convalescence with a supply of Medicines, and a Six weeks sickness certificate. Total cost to patient Zero pounds. Ongoing medicine costs for life , Zero Pounds.
His employers were at pains to inform him that his job is secure and that they will arrange working from home if necessary.
Who in their right mind would want to live in the USA?
In Australia, if you work in the same company for ten years you qualify for Long Service leave of 3 months paid leave. Every year after that,you get an additional 10 days leave on top of your regular leave entitlements. The leave carries over and accumulates. Sick leave entitlements are there for a reason. When I was a supervisor, I was quite blunt about taking sick leave. If you’re sick, ie a cold or whatever,I don’t want you at work infecting everyone else. Personal or Compassionate leave are there for a reason. If you have lost a family member you have a lot of things to do and are probably not in the right mind to be at work. Where I worked supervisors were allowed discretion to allow a staff member to take a day off. I had no problem giving someone a day off if their cat or dog died. It’s not as altruistic as it sounds. They were not going to be as productive as they might be , they had things they needed to sort out.
Americans mention ‘The Land of the Free’ and their Constitution as if the rest of us don’t have freedoms or constitutions. A lot of the US constitution is based on English Common Law.
The company I worked for allowed you to self certify sickness for up to three days, obviously this was monitored if you did this regularly. After 3 days then you require a ‘Sick Note’ from your doctor which has a limited timescale, and would need to be repeated for long term sickness such as recovering following a surgical procedure. This allows your employer to claim back a proportion of the costs from the government.
The amount of holidays available in your first year of employment depend on what time of year your employment started as you accrue X amount of days per month. Taking longer than two weeks leave at one time is at the discretion of the employer depending on company commitments. I occasionally had 3 weeks when going on a cruise. The other days could be taken in shorter periods. There are certain statuary holidays such as Easter, Christmas and New Year’s Day etc which have to be considered out of your total available days. I had 25 days (5 weeks) plus 8 statuary days available. I was paid double or more with a day off in lieu if requested to work on statuary days. Days off for bereavement are normally only paid for family members.
In the UK you can self-certify for up to 7 days in any one incident of illness. Beyond 7 days you need a Doctor's certificate, which is provided free of charge, along with all healthcare.
What do you do for a crust if I may ask?
in the US, your political system is based on those with the biggest wallet gets the biggest say and politicians there won't do anything to upset their financial donors (the big corporations, rather than doing what is in the interest of the people. also, these ideas are seen as quite 'socialist' in the US and as most Americans get confused between this and communism (including free healthcare like the NHS) and since Macarthy, the majority are programmed to be against anything even slightly 'communist' despite how good an idea it might be.
the american people let their politicians get away with this. politicians in the UK wouldn't get away with being so overtly bribed by corporations and get away with it. you don't need millions of pounds (dollars) in the account to be an MP (or US equivalent).
i love visiting the states but couldn't live there for a second.
Hi. I'm Belgian. Recently & by coincidence i connected with an American man who had the brainsurgery i have had through a livestream. We compared bills. We were both shocked by eachothers financials after the DBS surgeries (Deep Brain Stimulation). His bill was 114K , after insurance the remainder was 83K. My bill total was 43K , after national health care insurance my part was 449.64 USD. So we looked in detail and aspirine was on both bills : Belgium 1 aspirine : 0,12 cents , USA aspirine 449 USD. I was gobsmacked and appalled at the same time. Is this like : let's see how high we can go & what insurance will pay ? Yes , we have a socialist look on healthcare because it benefits the state to have healthy hardworking taxpayers. In the whole world out of 195 countries only 10 do NOT have universal or partial health care : USA , some African & mostly Arabic countries. In brazil for example everyone entering the country can have FREE health care without showing any papers , yes , even non-brazilians ... What does that say about the richest country in the world where you have the freedom to either suffer or go broke after medical "care"
The employment situation and health insurance in Spain is almost identical to the UK.
As a brit, im incredibly grateful for my job and my rights. My mum passed away in February and I was allowed to take as much time off fully payed as I needed. For me that was 3 days. 1 day when I was informed that my mum was seriously ill and prognosis wasnt good, and then for the 2 days after plus a day for the funeral. My company didnt hastle me at all and just left it to me.
In the UK you dont need a note from your doctor untill after 7 days, it used to be 3.
The note is technically to say what work you could do, but as if your too sick to go work it usually says you cant go.
If you ate longterm sick or have a disability you have to be assessed to see if you are capable of work and what help you may need to be able to work. Its now no longer a matter of your doctor signing you off and you get social security benefits.
You can also get benefits if you have to leave work to care for someone but its only £77 ($96) per week
Usually in the UK you can self certify your sickness for 3 days, any longer and you will need a Doctors note. Employers may send you to their Medical Department (or a Doctor of their choice). It has to be a Close Relative for Bereavement Leave.
In sweden both parents get 480 days paid parental leave that they share between eachother. If the sharing of days is more equal between the parents, then more money is given as an "equality bonus" Parents are therefore encouraged to take 50% of the days each.
In the UK you can get sick for the first WEEK without a sick notice, if the disease lasts longer but you don't need to see a doctor, just call the health clinic and they will issue a sick notice for FREE :) if you are sick for more than 2 weeks, you still need to see a doctor. In my former job, I was paid for sick pay from the 1st day - 80% of the holiday rate.
The minimum holliday time in the UK (full-time) is 20 days + 8 public holidays - if you work part-time, you have 10 holiday days + 8 public holiday
I think part of the problem is the founding story of the USA is about rights, so American's identify with having better rights than everyone else. But the rights in that story are a good set of rights for 1776, not 2023.
I think the process in England is not only covering he sick persons wall fare, but the chance for the illness to spread, I mean a having a cold could effectively spread amongst co-workers, so the theory is, we would rather have one person off work sick, than 2 or more not really 100% and the possibility of a knock on effect.
Doesn't get any easier in America when you're older either. Pay taxes for all those years and they don't even get a state pension. So if you're in a low paid job and can't afford a private pension you have to keep on working until you drop.
That is a shock that the US doesn't provide a basic state pension.
No old age pension must be theconly country with no pension disgusting g how do low wage people manage maybe they don't maybe thry live in tents Britain old age pension money at Christmas towards energy bills no bills for old people for tablets really people in Britain why so we moan old people in america get nothing
Be grateful
America does it the way it does because companies buy political leverage. The system benefits the companies $$$
Taxes - I believe is the answer to the question about what US gets compared to the rest, since the rest can provide so much more. If you are in a good job in the US, Im pretty sure US is a really great place - problem is just that the largest portion of people work in jobs that makes the core function (bus drivers, supermarket workers, teachers etc etc) and Im pretty sure US is not a great place to be.
In the UK, you self-certify the first 7 days of sickness then you are required to produce a GP note to your employer to be paid SSP(Statutory Sick Pay)
I'm going to be 63 this year, and I'm Canadian, and I learned some interesting things about the US when I was in college. The US auto industry spent years and years, and millions and millions of dollars lobbying against being FORCED to be obligated to install seat-belts in cars. This was because companies do NOT want the government meddling in their affairs, plain and simple. To set a precedent of giving in would be bad. And the saddest thing of all is that companies, by law, have pretty much the same rights as citizens. So companies HAVE to fight any government 'meddling' in the lives of the people, because the companies have the SAME rights, and this would allow the meddling in their affairs!!
And some of the things some of those companies got away with is, well, enraging. For instance, I saw a copy of a report calculating how many accidents occurred each year in the US, how many were cars crashed in the rear, what percentage of those would be the model in question (Pinto), which would virtually explode when rear-ended, due to design flaw that could be alleviated by covering the differential with plastic covering to prevent gas tank being ruptured and ignited. The cost of adding that safety feature was compared to how many deaths they might cause, and how much they might have to pay the families of the victims, and guess which they chose? AND they were then taken to court for MURDER, not negligence or anything. AND the trial was moved to some rural area to avoid a circus. A rural area with one law firm. Immediately hired by the car company. Whose lawyers took their lunch break with their life-long friend, the judge of the case. Can you guess how the verdict went? Want to hear about Nestle's did in the '70's? Have you ever watched MayDay? Seen the one where the cargo door opened and the company said they would fix it? And then 2 years later it killed a whole plane full of people, it had never been fixed? That was also another chapter in the text for a course I took, one of 33 chapters, each of a different, well, crime.
Sorry for rambling on, but with the world is today, and the fact that compared to when I was a kid, we ALL have less rights, money, time for ourselves than we used to.....
Your idea of the unlimited work time off/college analogy has a basic mistake - workplaces pay you for being there & working, while you pay a college to teach you so that you can get a qualification at the end. If you blow off the classes then fail, they get paid regardless (coming from the money you wasted paying for a course you have no interest in) & they can focus their educational skills & effort on the people who actually want to learn.
Personally, I get 28 days paid holiday per year plus public holidays on top of that (employers have the option of counting those towards your allowance, mine doesn't & not sure how many actually do it) & this year actually took advantage of the holiday purchase scheme to get an additional 10 days that would be effectively unpaid. I seriously considered arranging it so that I'd work 4 day weeks but decided against it. It's nice being able to take a 4 day weekend from time to time to have extra chill out time.
If you're interested in health care and workers rights you should check out Norway and the other Nordic countries. And we are one of the happiest countries too 😀
We have a thing called Flexi Time, where you have set hours but you can do them whenever you want. Leave early one day, work late another... its up to you as long as the jobs done
Why can't we ask this simple question: why did we create a system where profits are more important than humans?
You need a doctors note in the UK if you have an extended illness, BUT the NHS means its free to get one.
In the UK you can self certify for the first 7 days, a doctor's note is only required from day 8 onwards, and they are free. If you have worked for 10 years in the company I work for you are entitled to 52 weeks sick at full pay.
I'm from and live in the UK and my Manager does this thing where if you put in a good shift you kinda buy loyalty and time back. Basically if I work hard in the day in can go get my hair cut or take my car for a service or something while I'm being payed lol. I'm happy to say I love my job and my Manager:D
UK, first 7days of sickness you can “self certify”, over 7days you need a doctors note. Gov sickpay (SSP) kicks in ONLY after 3 days of sickness, 1st 3 days unpaid. And the SSP is about £100 per week (7days). For people working full time thats much less than wages. So its a hit, but better than nothing. Some companies pay full day (max number of days per year, doctors note required).