Denafrips Ares II R2R DAC Review - Do R2R DACs really sound better?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- A review of the Denafrips Ares II R2R ladder DAC including comparisons to Schiit Modius, Topping D90, Topping D50S with P50 power suply, and even the Chord Hugo TT2 (kind of).
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0:00 Introduction
1:26 Features and functions
1:52 Back panel inputs and outputs
3:31 Front panel buttons and stuff
5:07 A small drawback / negative
6:02 Sound quality of different digital inputs
7:20 How R2R works (basic version)
9:17 Glamour video
10:04 Sound quality
12:27 PCM vs DSD sound quality
13:36 Filters and NOS / OS mode
15:44 Preliminary conclusion and summary
16:55 Comparisons (beginning with Topping D90)
19:34 Vs Topping D50S with P50 power supply
21:28 Vs Schiit Modius
23:07 Final conclusion
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just wanted to say it’s extremely respectable of you to reply to these all questions one by one. as someone who is new to the hobby watching videos like these are really helping me broaden my understanding of audio. thank you.
So glad I can provide some assistance. Thanks for watching and commenting
The level of detail of your product reviews is remarkable. Fantastic work
Thanks David! I try to be as thorough as possible 🙂
A very good and thorough review, indeed! Appreciate especially the comparisons to the higher and lower price ranges.
A big thank you from a new subscriber from Denmark, Scandinavia
Thanks, Mr Hansen, and welcome to the channel! Glad you enjoyed the review!
I thought Denmark is the capital of Copenhagen :-)
I'm planning to buy this DAC within the week - I really appreciate your thorough review, and I think you are doing an absolutely fantastic job with your RUclips videos, as I have watched several from your channel and they very well edited and filmed. I'm going to be pairing this DAC with the Burson Soloist 3X Performance Amplifier, and your review on this one was also super helpful. Keep up the great work!
So glad I could help! Enjoy your new DAC 🙂
Well did you buy it? And if so how do you feel about it?
@@marshallhughes4514 I did buy it and I'm happy I did. I've also got the Topping D90SE, and I enjoy the features and characteristics of both (Bluetooth on the Topping is a fantastic feature). I like that I have both Delta Sigma and R2R DACS in my collection, and the Ares II is reasonably priced. The sound on the Ares II is definitely more spacious and less fatiguing, and everything this video talks about is spot on.
Thanks for the link to Dacman. I contacted Stav and purchased the Ares II from him. Great customer service! Stav is terrific to deal with - plus he kept his discount promise when I mentioned ‘Passion for Sound’ - now some 8 months down the track. I love your RUclips channel, all the best, Antoine
That's great news! Thanks for letting me know, Antoine!
Outstanding vlog. Really appreciate your in-depth review.
So glad you liked it!
Top-notch review! Full of relevant information that I enjoy learning and thinking about. Thank you.
So glad it was helpful!
Great work man! Amazing review!
Thanks Vergel! Glad you liked it!! 🙂
I really enjoy your channel you communicate your thoughts well and get to the point. Peace
Thanks Cruzing! Glad you like the videos. Thanks for watching and commenting
such a great review channel really, you are able to explain things very well, deeply and easy to understand. not an easy ting to do, specially when having to talk audio. Best dac advise around.
Thanks so much, Exodus. Glad you're finding it helpful!
I would like you to review the bifrost 2 and compare it with the ares 2 and d90. Great review and I enjoy your content!
Thanks emilsal, it's already underway! 🙂 Jason from Schiit recommended the Bifrost 2 during my interviews with him (in the next part that will post in a bit over 1 week from now). I've got it here now and I'm very impressed. Stay tuned!
Who was it that said the Topping gear lacks Depth in the soundstage? Anyways, wouldn’t it be great if we could audition these DACs before committing.
@@JetEarlewood are you talking about me? I have definitely found this to be a trend with most integrated gear, not just Topping. The Bifrost 2 uses an integrated output stage, but it has some interesting qualities...
Agree, it would be great if auditioning were easier. That's why it's great there are multiple reviewers with different tastes and preferences. Hopefully they/we can paint a good picture for you to help the decision.
Great video and very helpful for your notes. Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure. Glad it was helpful 🙂
Very nice reviews. I like the style and the detail. They are lengthy but not boring. I think that you could go for a review a step or two up in the Denafrips DAC catalog and get that extra resolution you are missing. I am interested in your point of view regarding the SMSL M400. Judging by the sound samples in another channel looks like it has resolution without the D90 harshness, closer to Ares II maybe (I own the Denafrips and I also notice a little lack of resolution).
Thanks Juan, I'll be getting some higher end Denafrips DACs to review in the future so stay tuned! I'll take a look into the M400 too - thanks for the suggestion!
Great detailed review, thank you. Would love a review of the soekris 1421 dac and a comparison to this ares ii dac since they are at similar price points (and are both r2r ladder Dacs).
Thanks for the tip on the Soekris - that's a company I haven't yet reached out to
I enjoy your reviews very much and always look forward for your next one. I was wondering if you are going to review the Beyer t1 gen3?
Thanks Michael, glad you like them and yes I am! The T1 and T5 are queued up and ready to go. Next week is beyerdynamic week! 😁
Very nice in depth review I have one and I totally agree with you I just love it best DAC I ever had
Awesome. Glad to hear I'm describing it right! And glad you're enjoying it!
It would be interesting if you could review the Ares 12th with all the firmware updates just to see how it stacks up against the Biifrost 2/64 now and Gustard R26, Yggy, etc. This is also your second most watched video so might make sense for you to review the 12th just for that reason alone. : )
I'd be happy to if it was easier to get demo units. The local market is fairly small so the distributor didn't carry spare demo stock at last check so timing a loan for review can be tricky
Thanks very much for your review. I currently own a Chord Mojo and HD 800s and was looking at upgrading my desktop DAC/ AMP combo.
I'm considering a hybrid tube amp, either a Schiit Lyr 3 + Bifrost 2 (6.3mm Single ended connection), or a xDuoo TA-20 + Denafrips Ares II (fully-balanced XLR connection).
When pairing with the HD 800s and mostly Classical and Jazz music, in your opinion, which combination do you think would be best?
I haven't yet tried the TA-20 or the Lyr 3 so that's a difficult one for me to answer, but I would definitely choose the Bifrost 2 over the Ares II unless you specifically want to smooth off the leading edges of the sound. The Ares II is quite soft in that aspect.
Great review, totally agree on each and every word you said. Especially the wrap up, as opposed to too many “jaw-dropping” comments I heard and read in the last year or so.
...and I own the Ares II myself.
Hi Saverio and thanks so much for sharing your thoughts as an Ares II owner. As much as I trusty ears, I always appreciate some confirmation! 🙂
@@PassionforSound you are welcome. Just to clarify my point of view given it may sound like I don’t like Ares 2 “that much”: while it may lose against others on the retrieval of the most subtle details that have an immediate impact and “wow-effect” when you listen to “gears”, it definitely allows me to listen to my music for hours without any fatigue, which in the last 16 years (and 4 different DACs) was only a prerogative of my turntable.
That’s why I kept it and I’m a happy owner.
That makes total sense!
This was my first look at Passion For Sound. I thought you did a very good review. It was laid out well with intelligent comments. It was also well paced. Your photography was excellent. Your "B" roll was as good as the "King of B Roll" himself - J. Darko :) As an owner of an Ares II your comments has influenced me to revisit the up-sampling options on this DAC. Maybe I dismissed them prematurely. However, one correction with the price in US dollars. The US price right now is $755. I think you mistakenly referenced the price in Singapore dollars in the video.
Thanks Tom! Glad you liked it!
For this review I quoted the local AUD price and just a conversion from AUD to USD because I didn't know how it was priced elsewhere. Thanks for clarifying the cost in the US!
Appreciate the comparison with D50S. Driving a tube integrated amplifier, would you expect any additional benefits with Ares ii vs D50s? Thanks
No problems! I would still expect benefits with a DAC of the Ares II quality compared to the D50S which is ok, but will be a bottleneck for the overall performance of your system compared to the Ares II. You may or may not get a bigger soundstage, but the note weight should improve and overall realism too. Of course, do keep in mind that if your system is already particularly warm or smooth, it might be too much of a good thing.
Nice accurate review. TQ!
I had the Pontus with me for a while. It’s got that ‘analogue’ sound. Basically, no electronic sheen. But pairing can be tricky. All depends on your favorite sound flavour.
But in terms of build, it’s superb. No complain at all.
Thanks MHN! That's interesting to hear about the Pontus. I hope to try one soon
Passion for Sound ... and you shall! Denafrips distributor, Alvin, is a swell guy.
Do you consider this a fuller sounding DAC? I’m planning to upgrade from SMSL DA-9 to the Topping PA5 amp which some reviewer recommended to pair it with a fuller sounding DAC. I have the Loxjie D30 DAC which I think not a fuller sounding DAC which I’m also looking to upgrade. On all the DAC that came across your desk which one is a good choice to pair with the Topping PA5. Hope to hear your recommendations. Since I don’t have a streamer yet, I’ll be listening to CDs for the most part. Thanks for the reviews and keep it coming.
I don't know the PA5, but the Ares II is definitely a fuller sounding DAC - one of the richest I've tried
Hello, you are making great reviews, very informative and helpful. I have a question and I need you advice if you don’t mind. I have the ADI2 DAC with RNHP amp driving the Aeon flow open/ Sennheiser HD650. I value timbre and tonality most and sometimes the ADI 2 can be a little flat if that makes sense despite that the amp that I have gave a definitely a more organic overall sound boost. If you would have to choose between new headphones or the Aries2 as an upgrade/experiment what would be your choice (best investment)? I wonder how much I will benefit from an organic sounding dac or move to something like ZMF headphones at 1K euro price point... Thank you in advance! Can’t wait for more videos to come.
Hi Alex, I'm glad you're liking the reviews! As for your question, if the HD650 is not providing enough character/depth then I think you definitely need to consider a different DAC. The Ares 2 is certainly going to provide a lot more space, but you're also going to lose a fair bit of resolution from what you're used to. That's not to say it's a bad choice - I just want to make sure you know the trade off. Other options that would help are the Bifrost 2 from Schiit and the Chord Qutest. Good luck! 🙂
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much for your reply Lachlan! Have a good one :)
No problems, Alex! 🙂
Thanks for another great and highly detail video! In this comparison was your D50s fitted with the stock Opamp? You made a great case here for the Schiit Modius, have you compared it to the R2R Modi Multibit since it might be closer to the Ares? Finally, I'm debating between getting the E30 or one of the Schiit DACs (Modius / Multibit) given the price of Denafrips - would appreciate your 2 cents. Thanks!
Hi Stefan, yes, I've kept the D50S stock op-amp in place so comparisons are with the retail sound characteristics.
I haven't heard the Modi Multibit so I can't directly compare. I have a review of the Bifrost 2 coming soon, but it's still a few weeks off...
You can hear a difference between opamps ?
100%
Oh well now you've done it - and I was just about to pull the trigger on a Topping D70! Great review by the way, I'm subscribed and it was your take on the little Topping E30 that led me to buy the E30/L30 stack for headphone listening last week - wow, all I could keep saying was - how much did this cost again!! 😊 So for a laugh I took out my RME ADI-2 from the main system and popped the little Topping in... oh dear now I have to rethink price/features all over again! I had to tune down the brightness a bit with Roon DSP with the RME, but the little Topping turned what had been unlistenable glare into some kind of super tweeter detail? DSP off and I'm still listening - hence the thoughts about a D70 to see what that sounds like in my system? Have you heard one yet?
All the best
Tim
Hi Tim, thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm glad my reviews have been helpful. That's really interesting that you're preferring the E30 in your system over the ADI-2. While the ADI-2 does do some things better than the E30, I can understand what you're saying about needing to tone it down.
I haven't tried a D70 yet and I'm trying to take a break from Topping for a little while, but I'll probably check it out in the future.
For anyone with very analytical speakers like Focal or B&W (I have an a pair of older Matrix 804s) this DAC provides a welcome smoothness in the highs that my tweeters desperately needed. Or at least, I needed.
Hi Craig, that makes sense that the Ares II would be a nice solution for brighter setups.
Particularly interesting and incisive remarks on the timing aspects.
Thanks Graham!
very surprised to hear that Modius sound close to Ares II. can't wait for the Modius review!
Coming soon! 🙂
I read a comment that the Aries II might not pair so well with a tube amp, too much syrup. I have a hybrid class D with tubes in preamp (Rogue Sphinx V3). Do you have any thoughts on this line of thinking?
Tube amps get a false reputation for being all thick and warm, but it's not the case. I don't know the Rogue Sphinx so I can't say either way. I do think the Ares II needs a neutral amp and not an overly warm amp so base your decision on the character of your amp, not whether or not it has tubes.
great review & content. surprised how well the modius did against the ares2. Hope you can review the Bifrost 2 soon which is supposed to compete to the ares II (price-wise).
Hi mykeldg, the Bifrost 2 is here ready for review and it compares extremely well to the Ares II. Review coming soon...
@@PassionforSound awesome!
Greetings from México! Congratulations, your reviews are always among the most complete and detailed. It would be very interesting to know your opinion about the Venus II. it´s not as expensive as the Terminator, but many describe it as very close regarding sound quality. It is also in the price range between the Chord Quetest and the Hugo tt2.
Hi Mauricio, I hope to review all of the Denafrips DACs in the future. It just depends on when DACMan Audio have units available for me to review. Stay tuned, I'll get there eventually :)
@@PassionforSound excellent! I’ll be looking forward for the coming reviews. 👍
Waiting for your review Schiit Modius. Thanks
It's coming in a few weeks. It'll be Schiit Week on Passion for Sound - Modius and Bifrost 2!
@@PassionforSound there are comparison reviews from user, Bitfrost 2 vs. Modius. Their difference is very subtle. Saying if he was blind folded, he wont be able to tell which is which.
forum.hifiguides.com/t/schiit-bifrost-2/8334/268
That will be a result of equipment limiting the differences heard (i.e. THX AAA 789). I've done some blind A/B testing yesterday and while I was also slightly limited by the particular setup I was using, I could clearly tell the differences. Interestingly, due to the gear limitations I couldn't say which I preferred, just that they were different.
Very curious to give this a try. I had a chance to home trial a Chord qutest for a few days and was quite underwhelmed. It wasn't bad but I just not impressive enugh for what you pay. I ended up going with a Lumin T2 which I love, very holographic and three dimensional with great detail (especially after adding the S-Booster power supply. Thanks for the review, first video I've seen of yours... Subscribed!
Hi James, glad you liked the video and thanks for subscribing! It'll be interesting to see how you enjoy the Ares II. The T2 looks to be a serious piece of equipment so the Ares II might not best it either.
Thanks for a great review. Would this DAC pair nicely with the Senn HDV820 Amp??
Hi Stephen, yes it should pair well based on my recollection of the HDV820.
Great video. Do you think this Davis better than the Chord Qutest?
Thanks cinqo! Do you mean the Dave?
Do you have any plans to review the Denafrips Pontus or Venus. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts given your comments on similarities to Chord. I currently have a Qutest and don't know if I'd consider upgrading to the Chord Hugo TT2 (too expensive at $8.8K). I don't think there is a chance of auditioning either the Pontus of Venus in NZ. The price proposition is very favourable vs Chord. Even the Terminator is $1,500 less that the TT2.
Keep up the great work, all the best - Peter.
Hi Peter, yes I plan to review all of the Denafrips DACs eventually and the local supplier (Dacmanaudio) is great at getting the gear to me when he can. I can't say exactly when, but it will happen.
I am wondering how this would sound in comparison to the Schiit Gungnir MultiBit A2. Any help would be appreciated.
Hi R00s, that's hard to say. I used to own the Gumby with Gen 5 USB and A1 board, but I can't say how it compares with the A2 version. From memory, the original Gumby had better detail retrieval, but not quite the expansive soundstage of the Ares II. Personally, I think I'd choose the Gumby because the lack of resolution was a noticeable drawback for me at times.
I currently own a Chord Qutest and although I love the sound that comes out of the unit, I am really curious about R2R DACs and was wondering if it would make sense to purchase this one to see what all the fuss is about.
Personally, I wouldn't bother. If you like the Qutest sound then this is giving you less resolution, less sense of attack/articulation and the only benefit is maybe a slightly larger soundstage. I think you'd have to go to the Pontus II if you want a sound that's a sideways step from the Qutest (or maybe slightly backwards) and not a clear downgrade as I feel the Ares II is.
Of course, this is all with headphones. Many people love the Ares II with speakers so that might be a different story
Looking forward to the Modius review. I have two and love them. beware they take forever to burn in.
Hi DR, good to know - thanks! I've got one or two other products to review first and then it'll be Schiit Week here on the channel with the Modius and Bifrost 2. Looking forward to the reviewing process for both of these!
@@PassionforSound Also, I agree with you about optical input. I have a glass medical grade optical cable and it has a purity that my Blue Jeans Coax cable cannot match.
@@doctorrobin3040 interesting! I really need to get myself a high quality optical cable
@@PassionforSound As a reviewer you need to resolve this stuff but it aint that cheap. But as a guess better value than many so called high end cables...lifatec.com/toslink2.html
@@doctorrobin3040 thanks for the link. I've looked at their cables before - should probably grab one and compare it to the stock cables I have and the slightly better aftermarket one.
An update video may be worth while. Denafrips released their 3rd firmware update on July 5th, and it's the best take yet. More articulate bass, smoother mids and increased timbre and soundstage with no fatigue. Outstanding sonic performace.
I don't own the Ares II so can't do that one I'm afraid. Sorry!
I just acquired an Ares ii. How do I update the firmware?
You might be best asking on forums like Head-Fi, Super Best Audio Friends, StereoNet, etc.
REALLY great review. Comprehensive, and intuitive to the nature of why we would be concerned with the differences. Curious as to how the Modius and the Ares II compare to the Airist audio R2R dac. I ended up with the Airist after your review of it, and now love it. But would now be interested in the Ares due to its power supply and outputs (and everything else it offers).
Hi John, I wish I still had the Airist to confirm this. I don't think it had the soundstage chops of the Ares II, but is probably comparable to the Modius in overall sound quality (all from memory).
The Ares II would likely be a nice upgrade if you like the smooth and spacious sound of R2R designs
The Airist dac was really mediocre even comparing it to delta-sigma dacs around the same price. The only thing the Airist dac had going for it was a deep soundstage and forward midrange. I think the Ares II would be a big step up from it.
Hi Brandon, I'm not so sure because what you've described of the Airist (which I tend to agree with) is quite similar to what I heard from the Ares although the Ares is probably thicker and smoother sounding
@@PassionforSound There is no way the Ares II is as lacking in detail as the Airist... The Airist was one of the least detailed DACs I've heard. The measurements between the Ares and Airist alone would suggest that the former should have way more detail and better sound reproduction. I'm not so inclined to believe that measurements are everything, but they do play a role in the accuracy and detail level, at least in my experience.
@@luckyupyours Hi Brandon, I’ve had the Airist for some time now. Although I’m inclined to eventually move up to the Ares -not just as a sound upgrade but also for added inputs and balanced outs - I’ve been absolutely enjoying the Airist. Can’t say I wouldn’t get some great detail/stage/enjoyment from a high quality delta sigma, but I can tell you that everything about the Airist is head and shoulders above a Schiit Modi II it’s replaced in every single way. So much so, that I don’t find myself starving for detail, whatsoever. Going to a nearby HiFi shop with T+A front end, I still don’t hear that much more than what I get from my humble system with the same tracks (at least as far as detail is concerned). That Airist is really well designed and constructed for the $. The main thing that trades in where R2r is concerned is a second order harmonic (effect) that byproducts in a way that you don’t get from delta sigma. They don’t measure well for good reason. But I’m just illustrating a point here, you’re absolutely correct about the measurement comparison and validity therein. I’d say the Airist is at the “barely acceptable” range of measurements there. But man, it does sound great (to me) nonetheless. Don’t know...your system is most likely on another plane than my baby system 😊🤷🏻♂️
Great video. Thank you for your wonderful input. I've been looking at the Ares II as my endgame dac. Question though, have you tried the SMSL SU8 vs the Modius? One of those 2 will be my next dac. Thanks again.
Hi Andy, glad you like the content! I have the Modius here now, but I haven't yet tried the SU8. I've heard good things though so I'll have to see if I can get hold of one.
US8 has great bass, but it's pretty sharp sounding (even with "least sharp" filter), if you like Ares II, you prolly won't be really into SU8.
@@FliskerX thanks for the input. I actually do like a detailed, highky resolved sound. I tend to enjoy sabre dacs a little more than akm which tend to be smoother sounding, but I've just heard so Manny great things about the Ares II that I have to check it out. Thanks again fort the comment.
@@andymenendez7824 No problem, I mostly compated SU8 to Bifrost 1 Multibit and I just.. I can't listen to it, it's too edgy, even tho the bass overall is certainly better. It's like solid state vs otl tube amp. And I will drop the bass benefit all day long, for smooth treble and amazing mids.
I feel like SU8 is extremely overhyped, due to favorable distortion numbers, it just measures well, but... in the end who cares if it doesn't sound great, right ?
I used it for movies, that was alright, but for music it was just... no...
It has that wow factor, you plug it in and notice the bass and the "detail" in treble, which is actually just boosted and unpleasant mostly and at first it might impress someone, but as it time goes, one realizes that this is not it :)
@@FliskerX Thank you for the further input, now you have me second guessing myself. That's why I love that Amazon return policy. Maybe I'll stick to the Modius that I had my eye on. I have a Schiit Modi multi-bit but I do feel it lacks a little detail and resolution. Thanks again Flisker, for saving me some time and effort.
I recently bought some new speakers. They are JBL Stage A180's. They are warmer than my old PMC FB1's. I ran the FB1's with the slow filter and that was good. That filter did not suite the JBL's at all. The fast filter is much more enjoyable, changing made a positive difference. Moral: just do the experiment with your speakers and just do not just elect and stick with the slow, warm setting as some have suggested. Thanks again for a very thoughtful review.
Thanks for sharing that Dr Robin and great advice! It's ALWAYS worth trying each different option no matter what anyone else has said. I had a similar experience "breaking the rules" and using the high output impedance setting on my Mainline amp with the relatively low impedance Focal Clears. The results are very enjoyable!
Wow great review. Good comparisons with differences. A lot of reviews miss this important information. So does this dac improve the soundstage on your tube headphone amp? I’m after a dac with great detail and sound stage. I wonder if dacs make that much of a difference to tube amps.
Hi krmatiu, a tube amp should still be conveying what comes from the DAC (if it's doing its job right) so the Ares II will increase the perception of soundstage from a tube amp if the current DAC has a smaller presentation (which most do). As with all audio gear, the system will be limited by the weakest part of the chain so adding the Ares II to an amp with poor staging capabilities may be underwhelming, but if the amp is up to the task you should get great results
Thanks for the reply. I have Woo Audio WA22. I think it will reproduce as you stated. Thanks a lot. Really appreciate your help and your videos 👍
Glad I could help
Very nicely done - Bravo
Thanks, Mark!
@@PassionforSound they are a modern day of my Audio Alchemy way back in 1990 - Cheers
Will you review the Pegasus R2R dac? I am curious to how they compare.
Hi Johen, that's one I don't think I've heard of before. I'll look into it...
Great review, but you didn't mention what you were testing it with. Headphones? Speakers? Which models?
Hi Junglist. Good point. I always test with headphones. I do use active speakers too, but don't tend to use them for testing purposes. I ran the Ares II into a number of devices like the Burson Soloist 3XP, Topping A90 and Bottlehead Mainline. Headphones included Meze Empyreans, HifiMan Sundaras, Beyerdynamic T1 3G and T5 3G. The Focal Clears and Beyerdynamic DT880 250 ohm LE might have made it into the mix too.
Thank you for doing the video. I just noticed that discount not withstanding it is cheaper to buy from the Singapore dealer and have it shipped to both AUS and US.
Hi Oddi, I'm not sure how the pricing models work so I won't comment on that, but I imagine some of the costs may come from import duties and maybe the cost of local warranty support. I'm just speculating though so best to chat to the local supplier about the differences and see if they can assist
Great review, I have a Airist Audio R2R dac. It is my first R2R dac and it's sound really good. Do you think the ares II is a nice upgrade? Can you compere it with the Airist Audio R2R.
Hi Dominik, unfortunately I can't compare it as I have to send back the Ares II this week and I haven't heard the original Ares. Sorry I can't be of more help
@Dominik, If you already have another R2R dac I recommend you get Pontus. Getting Ares II you may not see a huge improvement.
To my ears and based on my memory, the Ares II has a better quality of tone than the Aorist R2R, but this is probably sound advice (no pun intended) to ensure a significant enough upgrade.
Evil Dub is one of my favourite tracks to test gear with. Another one you might want to try is The Sea by Ary... Very dynamic with lots of detail and swirling sounds.
Thanks for the suggestion! I've added it to my suggested tracks playlist for a future review 🙂
Strange question but- where do you get your instrumental music for portions of your videos ?
Hi Daniel, it all comes from Epidemic Sound and there's a link in the video description of you want to go and check out the platform. 🙂
I think the d50s with the muses02 opamp and p50 power supply gives it that 3 dimensional experience that r2r dacs generally give. The soundstage on the d50s with muses02 is very accurate on placement of Instruments also. I’m only comparing it to a schiit modi multibit though. Are you using the muses02 in the d50s or the original opamp?
I'm sticking to the original because it makes comparisons clear for people, but I agree with your impressions 100%
I also upgraded the power cable of the p50 and it made a positive improvement. I didn’t think I would be able to tell the difference and just bought the cable because I liked the way it looked. Very surprised to hear a difference.
Nice! I dabbled with power cables a while back, but haven't done much since.
Thanks for your review. What an amazing coincident. I just started checking reviews on this dac few days ago after noticing this dac popped up few times in the forum and quickly snapped by others.
Btw, do you mind to provide link to playlist of albums/songs you mentioned in the video? or maybe just type the name?
Hi Brocco, that's a nice coincidence! I'll have to check the tracks I've mentioned, but happy to come back and share the info. Future videos will have a different approach to including track names which should make it easier too.
Here are links to Tidal and Spotify for you, Brocco. As a Patron, you might also like to check the Patron page for my super-mega huge playlist of audiophile albums I posted a while back...
Tidal: tidal.com/browse/playlist/c8984b64-8f73-45c4-a2c8-5e1ea131ea61
Spotify: open.spotify.com/playlist/0MScjAOCvWQ2PHZwshj2OR?si=TgAEekeDSPC3y7VjEx6Fzw
@@PassionforSound Thank you :)
Amazing review. I am very curious how you think this stacks up against the RME ADI 2 DAC FS for the DAC part obviously. I own the RME but I pair it with an external amp. Would I gain a lot of naturalness in sound if switch to the ARES II?
Hi Rhino, that's an interesting question. Based on my recollection of the ADI-2 (and not direct comparison to the Ares II), I think you'd be trading off resolution for smoothness/naturalness. The ADI-2 is very resolving, but it's also slightly clinical/edgy. The Ares II has zero edge and it creates a very rich and engaging sound, but it comes at the cost of lost detail. I found that the Ares II is best with classical music because it does space so well which suits large orchestral pieces. It's not as well suited to rock, blues, pop, etc. because they rely on the rhythm and texture more to create engagement. Not sure if that helps - hopefully it does.
If you're not in a huge hurry, maybe wait for my review of the Schiit Bifrost 2 before purchasing. It's early days, but I'm liking what I'm hearing!
A guy from head fi that I know, sold his RME adi2 and stayed with the Ares2, named dakchi, contact him for more information.
www.head-fi.org/threads/denafrips-ares-r2r-discrete-ladder-dac-close-up-view.833690/page-97
@@PassionforSound Wow that's super insightful. I'm a musician writing mostly orchestral music trying to make this very choice between these 2 DACS. I'm building a new home Studio/HiFi system consisting of the GR Research NX Studio Monitors and Orchard Audio edit: (Starkrimson; formerly Bosc) Monoblock amps. I just discovered the RME adi-2 line (both pro/DAC) and was amazed at the reviews and it's specs. But the Ares II looks so enticing. I'm torn. I like the RME for the dsp functionality and speed for non-latent performance, but I might prefer the Ares for its naturalness and engaging sonic qualities. (And I might need that quality of the Ares since both my amp and monitors will be VERY truthful, clinical, and revealing). I'll probably have to buy both DACS and AB them. Specs just aren't that helpful to me since my knowledge doesn't go very far into audiophile territory. But reviews like this are VERY helpful to give me an idea. Maybe a direct comparison video??? 👍☺️
@@Jonathan-ff4wo I'd love to do a direct comparison, but alas, I don't own either DAC as they've both been on loan. It's a tough call, too, because they are so different, but if you're looking to offset your more clinical sounding devices, the Ares would definitely be preferable. If you're not in a hurry, it might also be worth holding off a couple of weeks for another review I have coming - the Schiit Bifrost 2. I can't say yet exactly where it sits in the analytical-warm continuum, but it might be a nice balance point based on my early listening...
@@PassionforSound yeah it's gonna be a tough call. My amp and monitors are primarily neutral and clean to a fault lol. So choosing a DAC that is just as much fun as it is accurate/neutral will be an interesting challenge. I have a feeling that a LOT of the character of my system is gonna come from the DAC. Can't wait to see your schitt bifrost 2 review. Great channel by the way! If you wouldn't mind doing me a favor, maybe speak on the bifrosts latency? That would be a helpful thing to know. ☺️✌️
Great review mate. Have you tried the Pontus, Venus or Terminator? Curious. :)
I've got a video comparing the Pontus II with the Yggy, Musician Pegasus and Bifrost 2: ruclips.net/video/weTHhG0X0pY/видео.html
Great video and very interesting information. I recently bought the Loxjie D30 after seeing your video presentation of the Loxjie and I would like to know if you think the Ares II is worth buying considering that it costs almost five times the D30. Thanks so much.
Hi HappyMax, I'd personally go in a different direction for the money. The Ares II didn't really win me over unless someone REALLY needs a smooth and thick sound. I'd choose the Schiit Bifrost 2 over the Ares II
Thank you so much for your response which I really appreciate. The Loxjie is a really great product; I went from the Khadas to the D30 and my impressions were that the sound produced with the Loxie is definitely warmer, fuller, less metallic, cleaner and more detailed than the Khadas with the bass present; I distinctly noticed details that before and in complex songs, the instruments are very well separated. I'm just a little doubtful if the upgrade to a higher level Dac would bring out more details and a better soundstage. I am currently using a Naim Xs2 amplifier with Dali Oberon 5 speakers.Thanks again
The D30 is amazing for the price, but you can definitely get significant improvements with a better DAC. If you're looking to make an upgrade without spending too much more, maybe take a look at the Schiit Modius, Geshelli J2 or SMSL SU-8s. All will be a significant improvement.
On your welcome advice I am evaluating the purchase of SMSL SU-8s. If I want to invest in a more performing unit, what do you think of the new Topping D70s ? Thank you very much for your advice.
I haven't heard the D70S to comment - sorry!
A well defined review. Do also try Aune products they r amazing, again coming from China.Been using their S8 magic dac ,were you can roll the op amps.That was really cool.I tried it with jrc they give along as well as Burson .
Hi Rajnish, I've used some Aune in the past and liked them, but not been blown away. Sounds like it's time for me to revisit their gear
Wonder how it sounds against the Metrum Acoustics Octave Mk ONE which uses UNnamed NOS Industrial NOS DACS which I have and sounds excellent.....great bass, nice midrange and smooth but detailed treble. I use it for CD's only with a CDtransport. Cheers. UK
Hi Chris, I haven't heard the Octave, but might see if I can get my hands on one in the future
Hi, I'm a new subscriber to your channel, I like your work and reviews.
I have an audio system 2.1, electronic Emotiva (amp XPA-2 Gen3, preamp XSP-1 gen2) speakers bowers and wilkins CM10 s2, all connected with xlr cables, I am looking for a dac, I saw your review of RME adi-2 dac, and this review where you compare Denafrips Ares II with topping D90.
I like a bold presentation, with life, fun, strength, impact, open and bright high frequencies, half detailed that snare drum sounds strong, low frequencies with authority and glued in drum bass drum. Make it all sound big. I was almost about to buy RME, because with its equalizer in theory I could configure that sound signature to my liking.
Of those three dacs from which would you get that presentation the most? Would you recommend any other ones for that signature?
Hi Erick, thanks for subscribing! For your described preference, I think the D90 or ADI-2 would be a good choice, BUT I think you should also check out this weekend's review for the DAC I'd choose over both of those...
The D90 is a little more refined than the ADI-2 which will work better for brighter systems, but the ADI-2 has much greater control through its EQ, crossfeed, etc.
The other DAC I'm reviewing on Saturday is the Schiit Bifrost 2 and it's the perfect balance of the Ares II R2R sound and the ADI-2/D90 detail. It's very basic - no pre-amp, EQ, etc. but it's sensational for sound quality.
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much for your response, I appreciate your time and details.
I'll be waiting for the video to see which one you choose, and I'll ask you one more question to finish deciding which one to buy.
For now I will continue to watch your videos, enjoy and appreciate your work and know that they can do different dacs. Thanks for that.
Hi tere and thanks a lot for the clip and for sharing what you think about the Ares2. I wonder how the Denafrips Venus would compare to the Chord Hugo TT2 regarding soundquality, analogueness etc. I wonder because I tested the Ares 2 and the Qutest... and I was impressed how well the Ares2 did sound for less money. It sounded more analogue and more full bodied to my ears than the qutest. The Qutest won in terms of detail reproduction, transients and holographic imaging, but sometimes sounded a bit artificial. So the Ares 2 is a big surprise for the money.
The local Denafrips supplier here in Australia is great so I hope to review all the Denafrips DACs over time. Stay tuned 🙂
@@PassionforSound That would be cool. Thanks!
Thanks for creating your DAC reviews, I enjoyed watching them. Have you tried a proper digital front end like Antipodes Audio? I am in Melbourne if you want to have a listen. My perception is that it is night and day compared to an average computer set-up. I therefore don't know whether the DAC matters much after that - until convinced otherwise, I'm of the view that a better front end is the foundation before you go further down the chain
Hi Torben, I definitely think the front-end is important, but it doesn't replace the need for a good DAC in my experience. It seems to come down to the 'everything matters' principal as each step in the signal path contributes (not always equally though).
Thank you for your offer and the Antipodes gear looks great! I'm swamped with gear right now though so I'm saying "no" to all loan offers right now as much as that pains me because I'll put myself under too much pressure if I don't.
@@PassionforSound Sure. Easier than a loan might be if you want to drop by my house in the inner city and we can do an A/B comparison. Bring a suitable DAC and you can help me compare my DAC to something more modern!
That sounds like a good plan. Perhaps in a month or two we can arrange this. I don't mean to put you off, but we've got our hands full right now returning to work and also caring for our 7-month old. My wife and I run multiple businesses and work a half-day each so we can be with our boy so time is vary scarce.
My first R2R Dac is arriving tomorrow! Excited to hear it... Holo Audio Spring KTE dac
Nice! I've heard good things, but yet to try one myself. Enjoy your new DAC!
I was considering one of them but I got a good deal on an Audio Music DAC/1. It’s astonishing.
May was one I wanted not the spring.
do you now use soloist 3x performance? are you sure it is better than A90?
Hi Whiteowl, I haven't received a Soloist yet, but I have placed an order with Burson. It is definitely better than the A90 by a significant margin (even though the A90 is very very good)
A very comprehensive review. Thank you.From what I understand you prefer Chord qutest over Ares II.Right?
Thanks Nurhan, yes. Definitely would choose the Qutest over the Ares II.
To be fair, the Qutest is almost twice the price of the Ares. You generally get what you pay for when comparing really good equipment. Qutest should be tested again the Pontus to be more fair IMHO.
Hi Ryan, that's true on some levels, but the reason this video came about was a result of so many people asking me to compare the Qutest and Ares II. It seems they are seen as direct competitors by a lot of people regardless of price.
@@PassionforSound thanks for the perspective. Say a lot about the Denefrips products. Thanks for the great and detailed reviews. Keep up the great work
Hi Nurhan, I tested both DACs the Ares2 and the Qutest. For me the Qutest was more detailed and holographic but thinner in sound compared to the Ares 2. The Ares 2 is also more analogue sounding than the Qutest on my system. So, for the price the Ares 2 is far better value for the money. I wonder how the Pontus would compare to the Qutest...
I really want to buy this. However my issue is that my Rega Brio-R has some really nasty volume jumps with remote. Currently I am using the Bluos in variable volume output and control control smoothly from the app. When using external DAC I will no longer have that option.
What is the closest to the Ares II which has variable output? I know there is the Topping D90 and I read good things about the SMSL M500 MK2 (MK3 was also just released).
Cheers from Canberra!
And yes I love the warmth of analog sound and my Focal Chora 826 can be a bit bright at times (usually with rough recordings).
That's a tough one because going from R2R over to a delta sigma DAC will change the character of the sound, but I can't think of any with variable outputs. I've got the SMSL M500 Mk3 coming up in an all-in-one battle and, without giving too much away, it might be the best fit for what you described.
Another option (which might be even better) is a Burson Composer with a set of V6 Classic op-amps installed to give it that warmth and richness.
@@PassionforSound thanks. Yes I’m aware going from R2R to Delta can cause some major changes. Have also seen reviews of Mk2 that described it as still warm but less bloated. Anyways, it’s all undies and socks really. Whatever I feel comfortable with is not the same for next one. Looking forward for MK3
Burson might be too exy ;). Also whatever I use I’m sure it’s a step up from Node2i (which sounds great for what it is).
@@PassionforSound Any experience with SMSL VMV D12SE? Seems to be another option that could work for me. Cheers
I'm wondering how this DAC would sound paired with the Singxer SA-1. I am planning to pair it with a pretty aggressive headphone so I hope the Ares II and SA-1 pairing would smooth the sound without sacrificing the details of the music.
The SA-1 is really nice (I've reviewed it here on the channel) so it should be a good setup if you need a smooth sound that's still detailed
@@PassionforSound yeah I already watched that review too! Amazing review as always. Thanks!
Cool. Glad I could help 🙂
Hi, 'm a subscriber to your channel and considering buying a Pontus. However, I have read that improvements from the Ares, which I now have, are accompanied by a loss of warmth. I have Klipsch IV speakers. If there is a loss of warmth upgrading to the Pontus, depending on the amount, it might impact my system's SQ adversely. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this. Your channel is a must-read for me. Many thanks.
Hi Armando, thanks for your support! I haven't yet heard the Pontus so I can't say for sure if what you've heard is true. What I can say is that the Ares is definitely one of the smoothest and warmest DACs I've ever heard. Two options spring to mind: 1) keep the DAC if you're happy with it or (2) buy the Pontus with the knowledge that you might need to change your amp (I assume the Klipschs are passive speakers?) to something a bit warmer. The benefit of upgrading the DAC is that you can increase resolution and then adjust the tonality/colouration with a different amp, but that's an investment of course so depends on your appetite for the expense.
Can I ask what you're wanting to achieve with the upgrade to the Pontus?
Stay with Ares 2.It is a end game DAC! No point to upgrade and upgrade thinking it is better.DAC's sound different and better is highly subjectable ...
I disagree that the Ares II is necessarily endgame, but that's up to personal preferences, budget, etc.
@@PassionforSound Well for me even my PC sound card sound fabulous! 😅 Costs 50 bucks!
Absolutely. Not saying the Ares II can't sound great, just tempering the suggestion that someone shouldn't consider higher level DACs.
Love your reviews man. In case it helps on certain headphones we can hear your mic touching your chest which adds some muffle I think. Great review regardless
Yeah, I heard that too - sorry! I've got a new mic setup now so all the new reviews sorted sound better than ever. Glad you're liking the content!
@@PassionforSound awesome! Subbing you for life! Have a great one.
Thanks OLC!
I have a question regarding all this discussion on dac’s lately (especially delta sigma vs R2R). Do reviewers not put too much emphasis on comparing the Dacs standalone?
After seeing a video of Thomas and Stereo I was reminded again on the impact of matching and pairing and the importance of the preamp in the signal path. So would the combination of a good delta sigma Dac with a smooth and airy sounding (tube like) preamp not give you best of both worlds? In particular a preamp that allows you to change opamps?
I think this actually is how most integrated amp manufacturers in the HiFi world work, they never use R2R (to my knowledge). And I also think this is how Burson has developed there top of the line integrated Dac/preamp/headphone amp (Conductor series), which uses the ESS9038. On their website Burson claims the following: “Some DAC/Amps claim to give you the front row experience in exchange for less soundstage. Others promise a 3D soundstage in trade for fewer details. The Conductor 3 Performance simply gives you everything in the recording, without sugar-coating, the good and sometimes the ugly.”
My current thoughts are that the RME ADI-2 / Burson Soloist combo might actually give me best of both worlds. Because you get all the EQ features from the RME, including the neutral headphone outs for analytical listening and than you connect the Soloist as perfect (pre)amp to balance out the soundstage and smooth things out for enjoyment listening on both headphones and speakers.
I would be very much interested to see if that combo would be similar in performance to the Conductor series and also if the Conductor can live up to its expectation set by the manufacturer. From what I have read so far, that might be the case.
Also from an economical point of view the RME/soloist combo would be the ideal solution, because in a few years time you could replace the RME when technology and dac chips advances and add new op amps to the Solist when they improve.
I will be receiving the RME for tryout later today :)! I currently still use the Aune Magic X8 dac which also has this swappable opamp functionality.
There's definitely a lot to be said for synergy, but with SO many variables, I don't think reviewers can possibly make clear cut recommendations. For example, I might recommend a combo based on listening with my Meze Empyreans, but what if you have HD800s? Or the original Beyer T1? You may need a vastly different setup based on every element in your sound chain. I think it's best that reviewers stick to standalone reviews, ideally with comparisons for context. After that each person needs to work out what their tastes are and therefore which piece of the puzzle is right for them next.
@@PassionforSound I hear you and I agree, to a certain extent but I also at least theoretically agree with the statement on Bursons website. Up to yesterday I was under the impression that I had to chose between either a delta sigma or R2R dac and that I had to live with the downsides of either (or go for a much more expensive DAC).
But actually my conclusion is that apparently there is a lot you can do in the preamp stage (so not talking about power amp or speakers/headphones here) to overcome most of the shortcomings in terms of holographic soundstage, imaging and smoothness of the presentation (without losing detail), which seems to be a much more (cost) effective solution and therefore very relevant to this whole DAC discussion. It actually made me understand the relevance of the opamp switching function on my Aune X8 dac.
Based on this reasoning I actually think that the renewed interest in R2R dacs is more a hype created on RUclips channels because people are focussing to much standalone sound of the dacs and somewhere along the line lost the knowledge and benefit of a good preamp for this exact purpose, especially in the head-fi space.
Maybe I am completely wrong, but seeing that realisation moment yesterday confirmed on the website of Burson today, just confirmed my believe. I off course need to try it out for myself, but provided you also will get the Soloist this is something that you also could consider to add for future video’s, hence my question and contribution.
This is not in any way meant as criticism, because you do excellent reviews and I know your knowledge is growing quickly with each review.
All fair points, Gerard, and no offense taken. I really like Burson as a brand and Alex, who I deal with, is a great guy, but do beware that each company has their own explanations to justify their own philosophies and they often contradict one another. For example, Rob Watts will say that his WTA filters and FPGA are the only way to correctly do D/A converting. Burson will tell you that it's fine to be limited by integrated chip-based designs because you can pick up the slack with the amp, and Schiit sit somewhere in between with a mixture of chip-based, Multibit, integrated outputs and discrete outputs all depending on the price point. What all this means to me is that we as consumers have to each decide what resonates with us and to find the best possible solution for our tastes and with our available budget.
It's all great conversation and I appreciate you sharing your journey (and take no offense). The biggest thing I've learned over the 18+ years I've been involved in the hobby and industry is that we need to trust our ears and our tastes first and foremost while still having an open mind to explore the claims of manufacturers and opinions of others.
I did a test of 6 coax cables below £40. Sound signature And quality varied alot on my system. Mogami cable was the best for price and sound in my opinion.amazon brand was better than some costing alot more. Be interesting to know what cable you used for the test. Nice review.
I can't recall what cables I was using at this time, but all high quality cables that I've selected through listening tests (i.e. not assuming expensive = better).
Actuall, I am thinking to buy a Qutest as an companion with Ares 2 because I wanna a more resolving sound for orchestra music. Not so sure whether it will worth it
Hi Yang Liu, it will definitely be worth it. The Qutest is noticeably better than the Ares II based on my listening. I actually think you might end up ditching the Ares II if you get the Qutest. Only benefit I can see in Ares II is the extra inputs and outputs. Otherwise, I'd choose Qutest every time
Thx. I will get a Hugo 2 for some portable usage
That will be a great option!
Great video thank you much, my question is what is your source that you feed DAC's you test, thanks again.
Hi Blejzeros, I use a range of inputs, but mostly USB from PC using Roon. I also have a dedicated Raspberry Pi that I can run coax and/or optical from to test the different input formats for differences.
@@PassionforSound thanks for the reply, is it like dedicated to hi-fi music PC, how are you dealing with noise coming from Pc? Thanks
Just a regular desktop PC. It's custom for my photo and video editing needs, but nothing specific for audio. I do use quality USB cables, but beyond that i trust in the isolation of well implemented USB circuits on higher end gear. I also think my setup is probably more indicative of the average user.
@@PassionforSound thanks I'm working on my source, wanted to do it right the first time, Hans B. On his channel is Big on that.
@@blejzerosamigos6115 definitely a good idea, but I've found it to be the last piece of the puzzle in terms of the gains to be had. You'll get bigger improvements from better DAC, amp, headphones/speakers, and even cables in my experience. I use a Raspberry Pi with HiFiBerry Digi+ board and it provides a slight improvement in sound on some DACs only. DACs like the Qutest and TT2 seem to be pretty immune to the PC sound quality because they are galvanically isolated.
Are there any R2R DACs under US$1000 that have I2S (LVDS) inputs.
Hi Navin, I'm not sure - sorry!
I'm coming from a DS Dac and got the ares because schiit and chord is really expensive here.
My first impression is the lack of slam and crunch, though after listening for a few days, I appreciated the 'rounded' off edges. I am able to listen to the music without fatigue and still get a decent resolution.
I'm glad you're enjoying it, Christopher! There's always an element of system synergy here too so the Ares could well be a good fit for the rest of your source chain. I also agree that it's great to not have the edge and attack of most DS DACs
Is it possible to compare the ares2 with m scaler against d90 with m scaler?
I have to send the Ares II back, but will see if I can quickly test this before I do...
I connected these up blind with the M-Scaler feeding the Ares II via coaxial and the D90 running optical from a Raspberry Pi with Digi+ Pro board. It was somewhat difficult to split them, but I ended up consistently choosing input 2 which turned out to be the D90. All of this was done using the A90 amp (balanced input and output). The A90 is great, but it may have somewhat limited the Ares' strengths in soundstage. I tried the same setup, but into the Bottlehead Mainline using the SE outputs from my switch (i.e. XLRs out of both DACs into switch box, RCA from switch box to Mainline). The difference was then less noticeable and I might actually have preferred the Ares II because it's smoothness was a little more enjoyable through the Focal Clears that I used for the tests.
Ultimately, I think the D90 on its own is the better option given the price, but the Ares II + M-Scaler is a touch smoother (in a good way) and would be my choice given all other things being equal. Some of this will also come down to system synergy. I.e. with A90, the D90 was definitely my pick, but with the Mainline it was less clear because I could hear more of the benefits of both products.
@@PassionforSound thanks for the reply it is clear you put a lot of effort in to your reviews
Great review and suggestion of music. well done, subscribed.
Thanks Hugo! Glad you liked it!
Do you think hip dac are best for smartphone?
I haven't tried the Hip DAC so I can't really say. Depending on your needs, the DragonFly range from AudioQuest are the best compact DACs I've heard. If size isn't an issue, I'm not up-to-date on the current offerings, but have used and liked the Chord Mojo and iFi iDSD range in the past.
Oh interesting, so you feel that DSD maybe has the edge in delta sigma dacs; whereas, with this one, PCM was better (not overly smoothed, comparable)? Do you feel, in general, that DSD is a 'better' format/codec, prior to this finding or not? Just was curious. Good video and review 👍🏼
Hi Joshua, I've found that a few DS DACs are better with DSD, but it's the minority. Most of the time, they're comparable with PCM and DSD. It's just something I like to test and it seemed to show differences on the R2R circuit.
I don't know that DSD is inherently better. I think I've heard DSD sound better than PCM, but never heard PCM sound better than DSD, but it's a very minor and difference and depends on the DAC. The biggest issues with DSD for me are file size and availability
@@PassionforSound Oh, I would totally agree. That I've heard DSD technically be better than PCM, at times. But yeah, I do think it's an interesting format, that might be cool in same ways to see it get a second wind? I don't know for sure though; but yeah, file sizes are huge and not ideal for any of us, and it still hasn't caught on so to speak and maybe won't it looks like. That said, I can't deny that I generally mostly have liked what I've heard, if I'm being honest. By yeah, if it's not available for most of my music, then it's not something I use all that often, being it's not broad enough. But it is interesting 😄 thanks for the thoughts..👍🏼😁
Do you feel this would pair well with a thx 789?
Hi Ren, yes I think it would be a nice pairing. I've packaged up the Ares II for return so I can't confirm for you, but the only slight drawback might be that the 789 will flatten the Ares II's deep soundstage. Other than that, I think the Ares II's warmth will nicely offset the slight coolness/dryness of the 789.
Passion for Sound thank you! Can’t wait to see how it compares to the bifrost 2 in regards to the 789.
I've got the schiit bifrost multibit, love it!
It's a great DAC!
@@PassionforSound I feel the same, and I could get it at a clearance sale
Nice!
Hi,
Super review!
Im currently evaluating Bifrost Multibit/Bifrost 2 and Denafrips Ares II for my main 'music' listening setup (Marantz 6007 amp + PSB X2T Towers, currently using a topping with ESS9038q2 as dac in the chain)
I mostly listen to easy vocals (Ella Fitzgerald), 60/70s rock (Floyd, Led Zepp) jazz, some classical and new age/electronic. Source is through PC based hi-res streaming (Tidal) and some cds. I have a high affinity/preference for smooth and open/airy midrange with precise deep bass and holographic imaging with wide soundstage. Looking for that 'in room presence', black background, rolled off/less sibilant top end with an overall smooth sound signature.
In the Bifrost 2 review, you mentioned that the sense of space is higher with Ares II but bifrost has better resolution better. Most reviews of Denafrips mention that musicality, soundstage and holographic imaging qualities. They are around the same price point and offer all features (i need). Only plus i see for Denafrips is the higher bitrate conversion ability (beyond 24 bit 192) compared to Bifrost. The only flip side (rather tradeoff) is that Denafrips may not justice to most electronic music which requires slight more resolution that smoothness. You liked Bifrost more on most tracks than Denafrips (which might be a future possibility for me if i go for the Denafrips)
I value your reviews/views enough to be confused between the 2 now :) This is quite a leap for me (as i was earlier considering choosing between the Chord Mojo or Modi Multibit) but realized might as well splurge and close the endless upgrade loop.
Any chance you can get me out of this choice pickle!!
Thanks mate :D
Hi Apurv, that's a tough decision based on your tastes. A couple of things to think about:
1) is high res really important to you? If you don't play anything outside of Tidal or standard FLAC then it's not an issue to worry about. If it IS very important to you then your decision is made for you 🙂
2) I would personally always choose the more resolving and natural sounding DAC because it is easy to adjust the sound with amps and headphones/speakers, but you can never get that resolution back is it's not there after the DAC.
The Bifrost 2 isn't overly sharp or edgy in any way. It's resolving and detailed, but I don't think you'll have troubles with it needing rolling off or smoothing. The Ares II probably fits your description of what you want for some of the jazz and similar music, but I do think you might feel a lack of energy when it comes to electronic music so unless you have other gear in your chain that really needs taming, I think the B2 is probably the better all around choice.
@@PassionforSound thanks for a well thought out revert. just the answer i was looking for!!
Cheers mate
You're welcome. Glad I could help
I often hear Schiit multibit spoken about in the same terms, or even in the same breath, as r2r, though I'm not clear how they are similar? As someone with experience with both of be curious to hear how you think they compare sound-wise? (not so much features as schiit multibit DACs are obviously pretty bare bones)
Hi Chris, they are both using an R2R approach, but Schiit's are based on a chip design (a medical device chip actually). The similarities are that they are not delta-sigma which means (as I understand it) they deal with the samples as they arrive from the source file. I.e. each sample is processed as a voltage output at that point in time rather than converting to a 1-bit signal that's then reconstructed.
Oh, and I have the Bifrost 2 here for review now and was able to compare it with the Ares II before it goes back. I personally prefer Bifrost 2 on most music, but they're both good and share a number of similarities - namely, better 3-dimensionality compared to normal delta-sigma designs.
@@PassionforSound very interesting, I think I kind of see the similar approach, albeit though a very different method, now that you put it that way. I have the Bifrost 2 and love it, but I've been second guessing whether I should have gone r2r instead. Sounds like they're perhaps more similar than dissimilar. Thanks for the additional insight 😊
Without giving anything away, you made the right choice. You'd have to spend a lot more money to get better sound than Bifrost 2, based on my early listening and comparison with Ares II.
@@PassionforSound would the bifrost 2 be competitive to the qutest?
Are all these DACs related to Soekris products? Just wondering since they sound similar to each other.
I haven't been able to try the Soekris DACs yet so can't say. Sorry
I was hesitant to purchase the Ares II, as every DAC I have owned are all clinical sounding to my ear. Listening fatigue set in within a hour, even casual listening, it was unbearable, mid tier DACs, roughly in the $1000 +/- range, Schiit Gungnir was one of them... Well, after so many glowing reviews I bit, and damn glad I did! Huge sound difference to my ears, no more fatigue, music is now enjoyable to listen to and I can play my system all day long now without having to turn it off. I see a Pontus II in my future. I mainly listen to R&B, Jazz and some classic rock. I use my old OPPO BDP-83 and a GeerFab D.BOB to get native DSD to my Ares II, love my SACDs...
In fact, my experience with Denafrips was so incredibly good, that I went and bought their Iris DDC, their Hades preamp and their Thallo amplifier. I have the KLH Model 5 speakers and I have to say the sound out of this system still knocks my socks off. And the few folks that have heard it are impressed to say the least, their smiling faces, head bobbing, a hell ya every now and then, along with some serious toe tapping give away their true thoughts.
It seems the Ares II is a great match for speaker setups. So glad you're enjoying it!
@@PassionforSound DACs do matter. And thank you for the very professional reviews, they are greatly appreciated. ;-)
I'm curious how the Ares II and Bifrost II stack up to each other? Side grade or upgrade? Good compliment to each other?
I think they're either a sidegrade or one is a downgrade depending on your system and preferences. The Bifrost 2 produces a more energetic sound with a bit less space. The Ares II is more spacious, but I found it (on headphones) to lack some energy and attack
@@PassionforSound Thank You. I think I'm going to stick with my Bifrost 2 as it is more impactful for the Rock genres which is what I listen to most. BF2 is also an excellent DAC for Gaming and TV/Movies. Not sure the R-2R DAC's would be good for Gaming and TV as I've heard some say they've experience lag/latency with the Ares II. Don't want to be dealing with dialogue sync issues
I've got a new R2R review coming soon and I'll be using it with some editing and a little gaming so that might provide some insight
@@PassionforSound Sounds good. Looking forward to what you find out
I have D90 MQA looking to get this to complement
It will make for a nice pairing. I didn't think to try this, but I have a feeling that MQA through the D90 will be quite similar to the Ares II. PCM and DSD will be quite different though
Ares2 vs Qutest which would you prefer and why? 😊👍🏼
Hi Arapah, easily Qutest. The Ares II lacks too much resolution and detail for my tastes. For headphone listening, the Qutest provides both a good soundstage and excellent detail retrieval. The Ares II soundstage is larger, but there's an unenjoyable smoothness to the sound that prevents it from being really engaging. I've heard some speaker listeners feel differently, but for headphones it's an easy choice.
Very nice !!!
Glad you liked it!
I just bought this, and I LOVE IT!! I preciously owned the Chord Hugo, and I enjoyed this better! Does EVERYTHING right! Great Review!
Thanks J Tay, glad you're enjoying your Ares II. Interesting to hear you're preferring it to the Hugo (which I haven't heard)
Great! I have the Ares ii and absolutely love it. It’s only $670 or so here in the US but quite a wait. I am planning to move it into my office with my secondary system and buying the Pontus for my main system.
Nice! I'm really looking forward to trying the higher level Denafrips offerings. I like the Ares II, but just wish it had a little more resolution. I expect the Pontus will be a really great DAC.
@@PassionforSound Plenty of people love the Pontus and the Terminator, but for my money if I was going to upgrade my Ares II I'd probably look at a Holo, most likely a Holo Spring V2 Level 2.
Yeah, they're on my list of products to try and source next year, VM
Can you review JDS LABs Element 2?
Hi JT, I reached out to JDS a while ago with no success, but I can try again...
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much! I bought Soloist 3XP in trusting your review. I hope you are gonna review budget stuff like headphones, DAC and Amps more in the future. I like your reviews. Thank you.
That's definitely the plan! Got lots of good stuff coming. Enjoy your Soloist!
I would be interested if you did any comparison between the single ended and balanced outputs of the Ares II. I have one and run balanced to a 789 and SE to a Schitt Lyr 3. Always very pleased with balanced, but some recordings --particularly heavily bassed stuff like Banks or Billie Eilish -- are unbearable single ended. They sound crunchy...
Hi Neil, I did try both I think (it's a standard test I normally do) so the fact I haven't written anything in my notes makes me think there was no significant difference beyond what could be due to different interconnects and volume matching.
It definitely shouldn't sound crunchy so I wonder if there's a fault. What is the SE output feeding (amp and transducers) and what sort of tracks?
@@PassionforSound SE feeds Lyr 3...I have SE output from Ares II into a passive Schitt switch along with output from my source -- Bluesound Node 2i -- both going into switch and out to Lyr 3, so I can A/B. It is definitely something due to the SE from the Ares II. Same tracks on balanced through the 789 sound great.
That's interesting and disappointing! I'll see if I can quickly unpack the Ares II today and test the unit I have here...
@@PassionforSound Thank you...
Hi Neil, I'm running the Ares II SE out into the Mainline and listening with the Focal Clears. Tracks tested: Daft Punk - Lose Yourself to Dance, Trentemoller - Evil Dub, Billie Eilish - Bury a Friend. No issues at all (other than some of the inbuilt distortion in the Billie Eilish recordings). I think you should chat to your local Denafrips supplier about getting your unit checked - sounds to me like yours has an issue.
Great review! Most detailed to date where it matters and I still understood the lingo
Great news! So glad it was helpful, Brian
Have you tried it with your Mainline? Is it a good pairing?
I can't recall if I tried that combo, but I'd expect it would be quite lovely because the Mainline is quite a clean and neutral tube amp so it wouldn't get too rich and warm with the already lush Ares II
Oregon "Leather Cats" is a great track with some amazing double bass.
Cool. I'll check it out - thank you!
Best review of my actual DAC!!!👍
Glad you liked it, Andrea!
how would this sound with a Rega Brio?
Hi Rudy, I haven't heard the Brio to comment - sorry
Another great review Lachlan.
My comparison to Qutest (for what its worth), Ares sounds better, less clinical, quite significantly better slam and more holographic. This to me, is is the best sounding DAC under $2000.
Hi Anu, thanks for sharing your thoughts. What were you feeding (amp and headphones) from the Ares?
@@PassionforSound Ares + Taurus MKII
The 2 best sounding DACs under $2k, Qutest & Ares
Area has slightly better slam and holographic, less detailed against Qutest, but these differences are quite negligible.
@@PassionforSound Headphones - Final D8000 , Focal Utopia , HD800s
Thanks for sharing, Anu. I found noticeable differences between the Ares and D90 / Bifrost 2 in terms of resolution, but the Ares II definitely creates the most depth in the soundstage out of those 3.
Maybe I am too used to NOS sound signature, but I have yet to hear an OS DAC that sounds _more natural_ to me... Sure the sound get more linear and you pick up some excitement in the high end, but at what cost? If it is a choice of sounding more "live" like or not, then I will always choose the what sounds more like live performance. sorry...
No need to apologise. That's why it's good to have choices. We all like different sounds