@@reverseshin It's a different spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aJHCQSA2dFdu4Fy__T3yDyiNqO0jMUBcku0EjKX3SZI/htmlview?fbclid=IwAR3L4TG5MrUgALrWz3B9RXxV2C73RqPENoOtc9IWYdcnNoAr_Wl-jB7ZdHI_aem_AT6yWZepRt3KjhS05iVXl6eRXR22n0AndOfzeH3sUWd-H_1JbdOvjypCgAHuC8e_m0o&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
And this is why indie animation is blowing up right now. Indie animation directors want the HUMAN EXPERIENCE to be seen in their creations, and hiring humans to make that work by hand is what truly makes animation beautiful and such a unique experience. Animation is a celebration of life, in movement, expression, and style, not something to be automated, because when animation loses its human touch, it’s simply a shell of what it could be. Edit: autocorrect decided to change simply to simple
@@thegiftedfire3470 I agree! They should! While indie animation is great, we should also strive to keep professions in the mainstream animation industry safe and healthy, because while indie animation has shown that we can fundraise entire seasons thanks to fans alone, there are good properties that companies hold that someone may have a new and fresh take on that AI and executives can’t have due to their sheer reductive and repetitiveness.
This is just convincing me that the Industry is garbage and I’d rather have a steady job that I’m comfortable with and do my own projects on my own website and keep all the rights to it away from any of these people 👍
The industry has been garbage for a long time. I also made the mistake of thinking it would be a good idea to get into the industry after graduating. 1 feature film and a couple of TV projects later I realised the industry is a piece of piss and left.
I saw a great post somewhere where someone put it best. They said that the problem with the direction of AI, is that people are trying to use it to replace jobs that people *actually love doing, and not jobs nobody loves doing. It is as petty as wanting to replace creative talent.... It shows how little they value human creativity... We will still have something AI does not; human souls.
it'd be so much better if companies decided to use AI for genuinely dangerous/repetitive jobs and whatnot, but unfortunately they're focused on what makes them the most money
Technology’s goal shouldn’t be to “replace jobs nobody likes”. The goal of technology is to make our lives easier. Some people will have to adapt in response to new technologies - that’s what happens after every technological revolution, and should be welcomed and embraced. Imagine if we stopped the printing press from being built because of the poor scribes!
Also, we should Replace those CEO and Executive instead with AI, they contribute less than Storyboard artists, Director and Animators They replace people as if they won't get replaced and become jobless and homeless themself, Literally their job is the easiest one to Replace
i think we should replace the people in Hollywood with AI i mean half of them already act like robots so we just need to replace them with actual robots and nothing would change lol
I thought AI was supposed to take the spot of the menial and boring jobs so "we will have more time to create art " but seems like the only jobs its replacing are the art/writing jobs....
@@rheinrich_art No? You think it's not human nature to want entertainment, pretty things and communities? That's very AI bro of you. History shows that handmade objects, theatre, paintings was always beloved. Capitalism wasn't always the norm you know. Capitalism is about quantity over quality bc it's a industrialised approach to art making. Companies manifest destiny their ways with trash and fast food entertainment until that's what you get used to and then you turn around and sh*t on economic systems never realised in history. Red scare of the 1950s still going strong.
@@justalostlocal never said its not in our human nature to want entertainment...Yes humans have always made things, but part of it was out of necessity like the native americans and the tools or clothing they made, but nowadays we have the privilege to make things for the pure joy of making because we don’t have to worry about hunting a buffalo for our next meal or tending to your crops. In the past not everyone got to make art tho,thats why during the renaissance artists were funded just so they could make things while everyone else took care of the neccessities But now literally anyone can pursue art if they want, but we have had it so good for so long now people have taken things for granted, yes capitalism has its pros and cons but overall i believe is a net positive. Capitalism is like a fruit tree if left unchecked it grows long branches but doesn't produce quality fruit, it needs to be pruned every once and a while and kept in check to remove the bad or decaying branches. I agree with you about companies that mass produce art just for money sake is no good, take disney or marvel for example they pumped out so many crap movies lately just because they can without having a good story because they knew it would make money, but i think thats more greed than capitalism.
Let's replace studios with indie shows! No but seriously, they need to think of a way to get consumers because I will not support this decision with my money.
we’d love to but the issue with indie animators is that all their work has to be crowdfunded as they have no investors. and because of that, they do not get big budgets, resulting in very low pay for their workers. still, I have hope for indie animation, it’s surely the future.
Yeah, with projects like Lackadaisy, Helluva Boss, Digital Circus, Monkey Wrench (very underrated but still very very good), Murder Drones, the way that these turn out better than what massive studios have produced in recent years especially in terms of an audience rating shows that they aren’t required to partner with the big dogs to make something of top quality, it shows that big companies like Disney, Illumination, Dreamworks, Sony don’t need to be relied on to make a show that’s good.
I agree, specially these past ten years, mainstream media in general, kinda became bland and "all the same", and with generative AI, it's probably going to be even more bland, so I also think independent projects will be much more interesting
Procreate Dreams 😂😂😂 that’s not saving anyone. Plenty of other software that’s just as good. It’s a nice app, but it’s not changing the world yet as is. The only thing that will save animation from these prompt generated image/animation apps is the paying audience rejecting them.
It's so gross because AI techbros tout AI "art" as a wonderful thing that will somehow enhance, and broaden human creativity and expression when really all it is a tool for corporations to exploit artists and creatives while erasing actual humans from the production process.
That's what's most upsetting though, AI can and has been used positively to aid artists themselves through an animation process. That's how the lighting in Klaus and a lot of the lines in Spider-verse were created, of course, these are then reviewed by ARTISTS for flaws. Corporation executives are the ones using it replace artists and call it art.
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It's okay, while Big studios Screwing themself, using AI to making everything more generic, and Sh*ttier Basically by using AI, and firing the People who actually know what makes Things good, They're literally choose milking more Money from people over Producing an Actual Good Movie, and force people watch a half Assed cheap junk that they create there are room for a new Studios and Indie studios to make the Greatest and Most ambitious Stuff Again. This is the only opportunity for New Studios to Overthrow the more Established Company, become the next Disney, while they're shooting themself on the foot AI Bros definitely only have a Two digit IQ, therefore, they enjoy AI Created junk, and can't differentiate good stuff from bad stuff.
You can. Stop dealing with them (ceo’s, large studios etc.) and use the AI for whatever you need it for. Simple as that. Just adapt it (ai) to what you need it for and go for that
Literally how are storyboard artists the first ones they want to replace wtf. I'm against replacing any artists but IF I had to replace artists with AI I would probably start with clean-up artists or something, storyboard artists are the LAST ones I would replace because these guys are literally creating the foundation for the animation. This just proves to me these CEOs have no idea about their own industry.
@@soulofexistencethat only works if there is something comparable to find. That’s not going to be the case this time. It’s just a race to the absolute bottom.
That's why it's good to have a backup plan. I spent eight years of my life getting good at this and now I'm glad I'm not in this industry. Most animated shows nowadays are lazy, rigged characters. Most shows have the same style. It's boring and the furthest thing from being creatively innovative.
Honestly, let them. They already treat animators like shit and pay them the minimum while expecting to see a high quality master piece instead of trying to improve their writing. And also now that indie animation is getting more popular not only will there be more creative freedom but they won't be treated like dog shit
True. They overwork animations and treat them like trash. Let them use AI. Let them realize that it's just going to make soulless animation, and they'll regret it when they lose their popularity and indie animation gets more popular. The higher-ups of animation studios are so stupid they ruin the actual purpose of animation.
Down with big studios that make game and Animation! ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY. INDIE GAMES AND ANIMATION ARE THE FUTURE. DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE. IF SKIBIDI TOILET CAN MAKE MORE MONEY THAN DISNEY RIGHT NOW THEN THERE IS HOPE!
After a 10 y career jumped from 2d animation to storyboard looking for better opportunities. If that AI replacement happens I don’t know what I’ll do with my life. But to be honest, the amount of creative input I am having opportunity to put in my work, in the storytelling, by adding new gags, by interpreting the text with nuances, I don’t know how an AI would be able to do that. Reading a script and creating images is not a straightforward process. Can a machine understand what would make a gag funnier? Can AI work subtlety on a dramatic acting?
@@i_tell_u_hwathill8089 It worked with Motion Capture! And now let's hope the same happens with AI, and maybe in the future, it gets mocked the same way motion capture was but unlike motion capture, let's hope it dies forever and never gets repurposed (like how motion capture was for gaming).
I don't even need to see this video to know that AI should NOT take over the role of storyboard artists. The best cinematography is done for a reason, it's very specific, it's framed, angled and lit in a specific manner that they think is best for the story.
These companies are losing touch with what it means to be human and why we create (and likely why they even started the company in the first place). Creating makes us feel alive and brings us joy, but they're too concerned about making money to care enough about that anymore it seems so the artist treatment/replacing with AI is just the tip of the iceberg, their stories literally won't even be human anymore :(
This!! I agree with every word you said. Creativity can't be programmed or automated, and we're so much more than automatisms. We can live and feel things, and our humanity is what make us able to create heartfelt, genuine stories.
@@HinataElyonToph I don't know what to say other than life is unfair. I don't think art is as valuable as real work. The truly talented artists will still be able to make a living, but AI will cut out the people who should have probably left it as a hobby. AI opens up more opportunities for creation, as well. Writers who have a good vision but struggle to put it to paper can now use AI assistance to edit and correct what they do have. AI is a tool people can use and it will only eliminate the mediocre Most people wont care if the story or artwork is human or not, they will just care about the quality.
What surprises me is that anyone is still surprised by this. Of course that execs want to replace every single damn creative position by AI. Writing? Use AI. Drawing? Use AI. Every single part of the animation and production process? Automate it all, who cares. They don't see passion or cultural significance, they only see products and profits. That is absolutely disgusting, and you should always be scandalized by it.
Truly proves that they considered the jobs to be "automated" and robotic to begin with. They never valued the creative input and humanity...they always wanted free robot labor even when it was human.
I feel like storyboarding is the main step that you DON'T want done by A.I. no? You're setting up camera shots and composition. It's the part where the feel of things is going to be established (from a cinematography point). If anything, everything AFTER the storyboards would be better assisted by A.I.
boarding is basically directing the piece. In the industry they say its the most important part. And they already pay peanuts for it as it is. The animation industry was hijacked by non-animators long ago.
@@nekorina9011 Ai should be banned from any art making. The only thing AI is good for... is like... when I am at the grocery store - and the damn check out lane doesn't know I already put the item in the bag. And it keeps telling me I didn't, but I clearly did. Use AI to fix that. Why are they not focused on these actual fixes instead of trying to do art.
I did reseach on AI art and made it the main subject of my school assignmens last year. just started my first job this year in a studio doing work for companies like Warner Bros .The animation industry in my country is fairly small and its seemingly the same names featured in every project coming out of the country and it feels like a tight knit community, alot work on multiple projects at once because of , this makes AI feel like a boogie man out to get even people i know and crush my dreams just as i get started in the industry. Welp then i guess if the big companies dont want us, we get to pump out more indie stuff
Why would they hire a moron to use ai if it's accessible to everyone? Even if ai will have something you don't have you'll have ai, and what ai doesn't have So don't feel existential crises man even if ai becomes this magic box people think it is no one's gonna take your place the place will be destroyed itself
@@_nutcracker Yeah I Can See Your Point About This I Mean I am not sure If Someone Is Going to Be Hired Or Not To Teach The Artists To Learn How To Be An Harmony Or In tandem With The AI Tools Given But It Works A Bit Better If The AI Technology To Be Not Used That MUCH I Know AI Can Be A Fun Toy and Saves You Like Millions Or Something But We Might Need to Use A Bit Sparingly
@@DanielLave25280 reality is Knowing ai would just become a necessity like knowing computers is for jobs But won't you pick somebody that can Do things which the ai fails to do It would be better if we take ai for granted where we don't have to do the Boring chore like tasks instead of live in this constant fearmorgering delusion
This video shows how artists have a hand in their own undoing. In the section featuring the Simpsons Storyboard Artist who pioneered creating his own animatics, he just shrugs off the fact that he doubled (at least) his own workload without any extra pay, and allowed the studio the opportunity to see that they could save money by having one guy do the job of two. “No need for a storyboard editor! The artist volunteers to do it himself!” No wonder the other artists were mad.
It's called passion tax and animation seems especially susceptible to it. You take advantage of the fact that people love their work and want nothing more but to make the best thing they can, and studios see that and take advantage of it by doubling their work load and cutting their pay. And if you're an artist and you don't like it, what the hell are you going to do? Quit? Everything is centralised in LA, with only a handful of companies and executives managing everything. You make yourself a problem and you'll get blacklisted eternally. Look up what happened to the creator of the constant Payne pilot. It's absolutely vicious.
As a beginner artist, this topic really busts my balls. Cause I love digital art and animation and when I look at ai art, I see that its just soulless, there is no interest in analyzing the picture and looking for details, because its just a fucking blend of other people art. And what really pisses me off, it's those guys who create a fucking patreon or a similar thing, and basically earn money from "readjusting art pieces" from REAL ARTISTS. I wasn't angry about whole ai art topic at first, but when I saw people who call themselves "AI ARTIST" I just lost it. It's like ripping in half real painting like Mona Lisa and Scream, glueing them together and calling yourself an artist. P. S Just comparing, to draw a character, you really have to think, analyze, you have to learn fundamentals and anatomy etc. To make an AI drawing of character, you just hitting reset button until it looks somewhat presentable and do minor changes in prompt. That's not a fucking creative process, it's an equivalent of banging your head against the wall until you make a passage.
100% agree. I understand your anger too. Ive been in this road for about 8 years, idk If have your own project, but If you don't, its good to start a new one. Even If you don't get hired, or me, we still have our own IP, that we can share It and earn followers, eventually getting money (to survive). I wish you good studies and practice. My ART friend.🖼️🎨🖌️
Storyboarding is one of my favorite art forms ever, for live action, animation, or whatever else. It's the basis in which everything relies on. To hear that these greedy executives are planning to cut US out of the process for some shitty program enrages me.
Those executives don't really care about cinematography. They care about earnings call. Bad cinematography and mediocre storyboard are fine when they can save up a few dollars.
@@rockon8174 If you're gonna act like a jerk and tell people to get "rEaL jObS" how about you take your own advice, *AND GO OUTSIDE AND GET A JOB!* quit trolling, cause it ain't funny.
There are techniques to invoke certain emotions (involving music, narration, directing, acting), there is no need for emotion to be part of the creative process to have the result you want. The AI will just need to know what emotion wants to invoke with each scene, and it will be able to do it using already existing techniques, it doesn't even need to be able to feel it.
@OnigoroshiZero Emotions are biological, we know how they work because we can experience them. And it's because we can feel them that they'll be a part of the creative process. It's about comprehension of the human on the emotional level. It doesn't feel right to reduce emotions as things that can be coldly "programmed" in the way you explained it. And rather than "how", I think it's important to think about the "why" we want to invoke emotions. Emotions are usually related to putting focus on certain events, and we include them in what we create because we want to tell a story. A story that can be inspired by what shaped us and makes us a person: our emotions, our experiences, interests, motivations, dislikings, desires, etc. An AI doesn't and can't have any of that. At it's core it's just a program that executes a command, so how would it be able to convey emotions in a way that truly resonates with people? We're more than automatisms. We have the ability to live and feel things, that's how and why we can tell heartfelt, genuine stories in a way an AI could never do.
@@maelysd.7101 I don't think computers will have a problem with the "why" either, necessarily. They can have access to known story structures, and if they are fed on data of real life people, they should be able to identify the kinds of things say when they feel even nuanced emotions even if the machine can't feel it themselves.
Well, I don't see how it will take over your life... Your goals are another thing. Get really good in the field you're aiming for. Get so good that they'll have to hire you. Unless it's anime... then McDonald's is hiring...
@@frostybootz I was just kidding about the Anime part. It's not my cup of tea, but I drool whenever I see their backgrounds, or their cinematography. You got this man, learn the principles of animation. It sounds boring but learn about Disney's 9 old men and what they brought to the table. You got this!
@@reubenisaac702 Animation turned out to be fun because I use a simple animation app called FlipaClip. And I agree with the anime too because my version of “Kemono anime” is less complicated and I might turn out to be a weeb. (Don’t judge me)
AI is not meant for art. It was a mistake to introduce it to the industry in the first place. I am an artist myself, writer, musician and painter, and hearing the fact that AI is being used in all three of those industries is abhorrent. People enjoy making art. AI will never be able to replicate the hard work that goes into our own ideas, our storytelling, our creativity. It is dependent on the human experience. The people who make AI are not artists themselves. They are pseudo-engineers who pretend that this will somehow transcend the beautiful, flawed, marvelous art artists have been creating for decades.
You really think indie animators won't use AI to compete with bigger companies only to claim that they don't use AI to appeal to "moralists"? Of course they will, most probably do already to some capacity. It's the same with calculators. Nobody does multiplication by hand anymore.
I can see why on paper an exec would think you replace storyboarding most easily, "hey it's like not even finished art so why does it matter of its good? Plus it's not even part of the final product so I think we can still have copyright... " But it really ignored how much of the most important human decision making happens.
the magic and fun of creating animations with a team of humans in a collaborative, safe environment is so precious and valuable and it needs to be protected at all costs
You have something an AI could never have: creative abilities, the spark of creativity and an understanding of what can make a good story greater. Don't give up!
Well, learn another trade just in case. I've done animation school twice because technology has changed so much, and I just do commission work and designs for companies now. I just focus on my own artwork. No endless hours, tight deadlines for shows I would never watch in a million years. Keep at it but keep in mind there's other ways to make money. I'm now a fishing guide. I make way more money and I get to hangout in the woods all day, all summer long. You can still do the animation thing.
@@reubenisaac702 that's really great for you, but animation is truly all I want to do (as of right now) it's one of the only things I have a real passion for.
@@LoiterYT i feel you so much. I am a 3d modeller and creating 3d models is the only thing in my life that i wanna do every day for the rest of my life. I've spend thousands of dollars for schools and education. To see that ai might do what i spend years learning really makes me depressed and feel meaningless.
Take it as a compliment to be called a luddite. The luddites were right. The history lesson most of us get, is heavily biased against them, and the problems AI is creating is just like the problems they were fighting against. The race to the bottom that replaces good jobs with bad jobs, and creates inferior products.
I don't think AI would threaten just art jobs, but every job that exists. It is the most nonsensical invention. It takes away the purpose of the person themselves. It's a double-edged sword and I'm not even sure what to think of it anymore. All I know is people need purpose. Even if we have to fight for it, we must always have purpose.
I think AI could be a great asset for inbetweening key animation... maybe. As long as the creative foundation has been done by human hand. AI generated storyboards however would be completely soulless no matter the quality. I want cartoons drawn by people, now and always.
Keyframers are responsible for the framework and inbetweeners are responsible for giving it life. I know there's an AI for inbetween frames in the works, but I could never imagine giving such a beautiful responsibility to AI. I also know the treatment of inbetweeners in the industry is terrible, but using AI to lessen their workload isn't the solution. Companies WILL take advantage of that and the inbetweeners, some of whom actually like their job, will be kicked to the curb. I would rather have companies (indie studios included) make less animation if it means no AI than make more animation with more AI. I understand the argument for indie studios using the AI inbetweens but it just doesn't sit right with me. It's like using AI generated "art" except you're giving the AI permission to use your art. Inbetweens are just as important as keyframes and the job should be given to a human that will actually put passion and soul into the drawing. I'm not really looking to argue as a fellow anti-AI but I wanted to say my opinion anyway.
@@yaosanemi and they also suffer more than anyone in the industry. The time, money, and physical+mental strain from inbetweening outweighs literally anything else in the animation pipeline. Demanding that they go through that needlessly just to fulfil your predisposition seems incredibly self centered. I'm someone who passionately studies each frame of an animation to appreciate and enjoy the time and skill that goes into it, but i would absolutely not hold it against a studio if they used tools to help them save money, health, and time for such labor intensive tasks.
@@yaosanemi I would put those inbetweeners into keyframe works imho. I'm not sure but aren't inbetweeners really are beginner animators that's working their way up to do the real keyframes?
If i recall correctly this kind of thing was used for the 2d line effects drawn over the models in spiderverse. Inbetweening is already automatic in 3d software by default, so it makes sense not to have a whole team of people just redrawing tiny lines each frame. 3d animation can get really complex, so it seems to be there's more beneficial uses for machine learning in 3d rather than 2d, since there's more moving parts to deal with. I think one place where there's a lot of potential for it is retopology. If an AI could automatically retopologize a model sculpted by an artist with topology optimized for animation, it would cut out a lot of work that many artists find to be the most tedious part of the process.
@@user-bk1dr1sd8ginbetweeners don't merely draw tiny lines each frame. Between two storytelling frozen moments, or pose extremes, all of the nuance and flourish and bounce and snap is created in how you inbetween it.
They’ve gotta still have at least one artist on board punching it up, cause it’s impossible that a machine can match a client’s instructions perfectly. At least right now.
I don’t think that anyone should worry about AI at least until it gets super (like really super) advanced because look for example at motion capture. It was supposed to be a thing that would change the industry and replace 3d animators, but at the end it just exists parallel with regular 3d animation now
Here's a quote from one of my favorite books, that sums my thoughts up on this pretty well. -"There's a balance, a delicate one, like walking on a wire. Technology is all well and good as long as it expands our horizons, our machines bring fresh skills, a whole new pool of talents and careers. If we built things to replace us, what's the point?” -"It doesn't replace anything just makes things easier like a boat or a bridge” -"A boat is certainly useful but requires a vast set of skills to master and has expanded our avenues beyond measure. Bridges are also convenient but also complex, beautiful, artistic and inert, A balance."
AI literally cannot replace humans to do this job... It's still having major issues with making up a very short story without messing up major details and totally forgetting stuff that happened earlier in the story. It can't be consistent even if held at gunpoint.
Give it a few more years. The development growth is exponential. A few years ago it couldn't generate anything at all. It's only a matter of time before it overtakes anything a human could possibly do.
@@shadedusk7831 AI is good at certain things but there are plenty of things a human can do by nature that AI cannot. Since AI isn't a consious being with a will. it's not really the quality of the generated things but more it's specificity. i really don't think it will be able to do anything of that level without any human guidance at least.
@@ZTRCTGuy It will. If you accept that consciousness is merely a byproduct of our nervous system functioning the way that it does (which it is at the end of the day) then it's only a matter of time before the correct mathematical model that can imitate it perfectly is created and trained. Given the amount of progress in the field in recent years the time needed to achieve that is getting smaller and smaller. Having conscious AI that perfectly imitates human consciousness and creates with it's own "specificity" is very real and possible. It'll just take some more time to develop. On the flipside, you could just as well argue that human will is merely a byproduct of inherit traits and experiences which we are trained on during our life that result in the thoughts we have. The "specificity" you speak of is merely a collection of experiences and traits that can be modeled and trained on mathematical models as well. It is inevitable, it'll just take a few more years (maybe 10 or 20 at most)
@@shadedusk7831 ''If you accept that consciousness is merely a byproduct of our nervous system functioning the way that it does'' I don't. human consiousness is something not that well understood yet by science. And I'm currently not willing to speculate.
@@ZTRCTGuy It's as well understood as it can be. Fundamentally it's a mechanism of our nervous system utilized to maximize our chance of survival. Basically just a program our brains are running to simulate scenarios and chose the best course of action continously.
The only job that can actually be replaced with AI is the C.E.O position. That's why these corpies think they can replaced everyone else too, they lack perspective. Kinda like an AI
In ten years some one will probably make a concept of a dystopian society ruled by ai art of all forms and the only thing opposing it is a indie artist resistance group
I can’t see this going well for mainstream animation studios honestly, not in the long run. People want art made by artists, you can look at box office trends and see for yourself, every movie last year bombed except for stuff like Spiderverse, which had a lot of care and thought put into it. Ai has quickly become synonymous with, lazy and generic even to people who aren’t artists, and a common complaint with media being made now is that most tv and movies are lazy and generic. All they’re really doing is digging themselves a deeper hole that will lose money in the long run. You can replace as many people with machines as you want but that won’t change the fact that audiences aren’t watching what you’re putting out.
It is not something about AI in overall people just do not value the artists. I had some gigs as concept designer for indie game studios in my country (Turkey) And all of them was jerks to the artists. They either want to add you another seperate function or get rid off you as soon as they can. I am not against AI I am against the mindset of non-artist people. Even though I was always just making things easier for them. Doing all necessary visual art disciplines when needed concepts, marketing materials etc. And because I was preparing for AAA studios for my future plans I was slaying it around most of the indie artists. Not to boast but to illustrate how even when your skills are truly competitive still this the type of behaviour you will get. There will always be a pyramid where they always value "the coders, the accountants, the HR the QA" everbody sees more value than you in the business pyramid. Just because what we do seems "fun" from afar. We put hours of work to build our skillset and people just calculate it as "you have talent or not" And they overlook you since if "they had the talent" they could be an artist too. Which is not even near as truth we don't have natural born superpowers we are digging the shid and learning the skill in a life long journey for mastery of the craft. This is the people hurting and threatening our jobs not necessarily AI or even AI companies. It is the mindset behind.
Okulda bile öğrenciler birbirlerine karşı bu şekilde :D Animasyon bölümünde hocalar teşvik ve taktir ederken öğrenciler kendi aralarında birbirlerini ezmeye çalışıyorlar. Kim bilir sektör nasıldır şimdi...
@@nsanefe Geçen bir Türk oyun stüdyosuyla iletişime geçmiştim, çoğunluğu yazılımcı olan bir grup insan. Önceden sanatçılarla çalışıyorlarmış, ancak sonra konseptleri yapay zeka ile oluşturmaya başlamışlar. İllüstrasyonları anlarım ama AI ile konsept oluşturmak, yapılması gereken 100 tasarım varsa her biri için günlerce kafa yormak ve denemelerle uğraşmak zaman israfı. Ben de onlara, işlerini kolaylaştırabileceğimi söyledim. Hem bu araçları kullanmayı biliyorum, hem de zaten konsept tasarımcısıyım, yani işim çizim sonuçta. Böylece özgün ve tutarlılıktan da ödün vermeyen konseptler elde edebiliriz. AI ile 50-100 tasarımı aynı stil ile çıkarmak için çok spesifik değerler girmek gerekir, aksi halde proje süreci bozulabilir. Yapay zeka karşıtı değilim ama bu yaptıkları kulağı tersten tutmak zannetiklerinin aksine pek de zaman kazandırmıyor yani. Kibarca örnek çalışma yapmayı talep ettim, görüşme ayarlamak istediklerini belirttiler fakat sonrasında hiçbir cevap alamadım. Bu yıl aynı şehirden iki şirket gördüm, birinde bulundum, diğeriyse bahsettiğim stüdyo. Gerçekten de, kodlamacı patronların sanatı önemsemediğini ve her şeyi kodla çözmeye çalıştıklarını gördüm. Tasarımcıların ve modelcilerin ciddiye alınmadığını gördüm. Temel sistemler kod olmadan çalışamaz, ancak diğer meslekler de önemlidir. Oyunlarda animasyoncular, konsept tasarımcıları, modelciler olmadan işler ilerlemez. Yazılımcılar bunu anlamalı. Eğer yazılımcılar diğer disiplinleri anlarsa, işler daha kaliteli olur. Hypercasual oyun ile para kırma sevdası yüzünden ülkede profesyonelce iş yapan insan yok. Ülkemizde bazı stüdyolar hypercasual yapmanın hakkını verirken diğerleri sadece onlara özeniyor ve "kolay" diye girişiyorlar. Sonra asset kullanıyoruz yapay zeka ile zaten çözdük gibi söylemler... O asset mağazasındaki assetleri tasarlayan sanatçılar olmasa o kodlar kendi kendine hiç bir şey ifade etmeyecek onları da sanatçı tasarımcı tayfa üretiyor farkında değiller. Bütün dünyada imalat önce çizmek ile başlar sonra üretim bandına girer giydikleri donu bile endüstri sanatçıları çiziyor haberleri yok. Yani günün sonunda ne yapay zeka ne de hazır assetler, sektördeki işleri ve ekip içi iletişimi kalitesizleştiren tek etken yine böylesi vizyonsuz insanlar.
Technology should have its limits like how some of the Disney animators liked the old fashion way of storyboards, it didn’t destroy their life whenever digital storyboards became a thing, they just miss it. But AI storyboarding and animation takes jobs away from people, steels from artists, it doesn’t look good and it’s not art, it was made by an ai using existing material. There is a large difference between an advancement in technology and a technology that is borderline illegal and very unethical to use.
This is very discouraging for artists like myself to continue with their art. I’m kinda loosing hope of finding a good-paying job as an artist. I have been debating for a LONG-ass time. If I should create RUclips videos or create posts on other platforms of my artwork. I haven’t yet because of how overly toxic other artists can be with their “art lore”. I also have this burning desire to share my story concepts to other mutuals (if I ever find any that is), but I am also afraid that I’ll just receive comments like “womp womp”, “fatherless behavior” or any sort of sociopathic comment telling me that my work is cringe and that I am wasting my time. I guess the fact that AI is replacing artists is telling me that I *am* wasting my time. I now feel like I am fighting a loosing battle whenever I take my art major classes, because I know I’ll just be expendable. This is the reason why I NEVER show the internet my artwork.
If you want to express your ideas and creativity, you don't need the validation from others to do it. If you feel like expressing yourself solely for your own enjoyment and satisfaction, it shouldn't matter what others think or what tools exist; AI can't steal your desire to create. If you want to make stuff, make stuff. If you don't, don't. It's pretty simple at the end of the day.
Seriously, who would even watch that garbage? Also, won't people just boycott those shows/movies if they learn that the studio used AI to make it? Just recently Wacom and Wizards of the Coast received backlash for using AI art on their advertising. So I doubt people would want to fork over their money to a studio that used AI.
I prefer to be an independent artist/illustrator, hollywood is going crazy with A.I replacing artists, storyboard artists with these tools to make the production costs cheap. Indie Animation has grown in popularity thanks to these artists who they are replaced by A.I in the studio that worked on once in hollywood. While indie animation is growing more and more, the animation industry is falling apart by A.I replacement.
@@Luqueso1 go be a Plumber. Facts don't care about your feelings. Go get a useful skill if you think AI will replace your current skill or non-existent skill.
Tech companies want us all to be so heavily reliant on AI that we can't function without it. Like being stuck on the side of the road and not knowing how to change a tire.
I work as a storyboarder myself, and I have never yet worked on the perfect script that you can just translate to pictures without rework etc. Off course big studio executives these days think that, they are not cinema people anymore, they don't care if they run a movie studio or a cake factory. I don't fear for me job in the nearest future, as these AI productions will fail to hit a human audience, I am pretty sure. We might have to suffer that one AI made movie that will actually be good, and every studio executive thinks that they can replicate the formula, and for ten years we will watch them learn the hard lesson.
It's unfortunate that AI in animation is often tied to corporate greed instead of its creative potential. ML approaches, like diffusion models, elevate visual quality, as used in creative ways in Elemental (2023). Some studios prioritize lazy automation over meaningful content, missing the chance for AI to enhance storytelling in animation.
Keep drawing people of Art. I take 2024 with good habits to make TRUE ART! Generative ai apps are unusable, this apps will become boring and ultra recognizable.
ΑI cannot replace animation or artists, the story, animation and artists is what makes the result lively, *good*. An AI cannot replicate the art, story or animation of humans, it just isn't possible, they dont have the capacity or the creativity, they dont make original work, they just copy other work, sure people do that, but AI cannot have original ideas, all their ideas are copied from somewhere else without credit
It's probably a test to see what it can do before moving onto the bigger jobs. Storyboards are a dime a dozen in the pre-production stage. Thank God there isn't a lot of good animated shows out there, I have a feeling this is the industries downfall. Hollywood/ Entertainment Industry needs a reset.
Back in the 19's century a lot of portrait artists were angry that they might lose their jobs due to the invention of the camera. Guess what happened, they lost their jobs and we all use cameras today without even thinking about them. The bottom line is that we now live in a future we never dreamed will be possible, but whether we like it or not we need to get used to it.
Honestly, I think that people will seek much more independent media, not only animation, but media in general. These past years, most mainstream media seems bland, and with AI, it's probably going to be even more saturated, so I think indies may thrive more
A.I. wont kill art. Id rather pay for something someone did by hand vs something created by a couple clicks of a button. A.I. = Less work with same payout it feels
Also, the studios might all disintegrate once single-person creators can fully replace -at a professional level- the writers directors composers editors actors G&E cameramen marketing copywriters etc etc. We really have no clue just how fast things will get there. But that’s exactly where we’re headed. The invention of the DSLR made it so teenagers in their bedrooms practically replaced daytime TV overnight. We really have no idea what’s coming…..
That's the opposite side of the process i'd want to use AI for... Like maybe AI cleanup artist, sure, but making the storyboards from scratch with AI? That's more than pointless, it will end out with as poor product. Like, if youre gonna use AI, generate it based on the storyboards. Its not gonna be great at the moment but I could see it as a possible way to do it in the future. But not for every project... Then you'd have the animation cleanup artists come in and probably mostly just point out to the AI what it messed up on, and use AI to fix it. If nothing else I see that last step happening.
@@AnimationHustleThey're making humans do the boring jobs with minimum payments while letting AI do fun and creative things. It's not what I really want to see happens. Using software to draw and make own animatics is at least fun change.
I can really relate to the story that Brad is telling around 7:00. The industry has been changed because of the technology and I hear a lot of artists complain but personally I love it because now I can craft a complete story and show my vision for what I'd like to make. The only way was "stay in your lane and let us figure out how to make this work" the new way is now I'm a filmmaker and I get to tell stories the way I'd like them to be told. For those wondering- the money followed.
Using ai to write for movies and shows(even video games) is a terrible idea. Even if we seen this with Disney's Wish or not, it won't be so very good with it's final results in the end because you would have to go back and fix some problems even if there's so much.
These studios can do what they want but they cant stop me using 60FPS and 50000X40000 frames on my own projects. As I say about my writing "The real world is boring so I made my own."
Oh lord no. I just saw this and the fact that "Higher ups" want to replace any body, regardless of positions, are failing to recognize that AI currently is only good for the artists and creatives to use as a tool. Specifically to help give ideas and have ideas going. It's not a good tool for finished animation, nor music, nor writing, nor anything that ain't simple. AI is trained, and the training data is most definitely bias due to what is given. An AI Voice will always have a bias towards sounding like Tim Daly's Superman if it's trained on Tim Daly's Superman. And AI Art Gen will always be bias with making Neal Adams Art if it's primarily trained on Neal Adams Art. AI Art Gen is good for cool looking generic posters and landscapes, not something that can give you interesting animation or dynamic posing in a cohesive sequence. AI Tech ain't there yet and most likely wont be for another few years.. If they wanted to incorporate AI Art Gen, they have to have it as a tool for their workers and treat it as a tool. Cool or interesting idea's that might come out of nowhere just to see what it might be like. It can't be official material unless it's primarily trained on their workers art and therefor need to give their artist more pay if publishing stuff like that. If they wanted to incorporate AI Writing Gen, they have to have it as a tool for their workers and treat it as a tool. Throw Idea's around to see what it could be, but ultimately they still need writers to make it work and may as well have it be a glorified spell checker. If they wanted to incorporate AI Video Gen, they need to be laughed at cause the tech is NOWHERE NEAR good enough to even be passable for 1min animation. It goes off making whatever random thing it's working on LIKE the AI Art Gen, but with a bunch of random sequences that makes no sense. I hate the idea of AI being used for this cause it FUNDIMENTALLY misses the point of it. AI is a tool to help finish the product. IT is NOT a finished product. I am perfectly fine with AI, so long as these dumbasses didn't try to do cut corners in the most Ludacris possible way. God Damn it!
11+ mins but barely showing any hands on examples of the AI making storyboards, that site was nothing, lots of sites like that with no free trial no refunds or you have to contact their support and never heard of again.
The major issue here is that artist seem to think they must work for a company like Disney, Nickelodeon, and so on. Do your own thing, these companies have enough. Instead of just looking at AI as a bad thing, look to see what you yourself can get from it. I grew up as a traditional cartoon artist and had to learn digital art. I could call digital art not real art too, because there are things you can do with it that you can't do with traditional.
I can think of uses for AI that would benefit artists without cheapening an artists' work. - Adding flat colors (My least favorite step when making comics, I would welcome a shortcut there, since coloring well is so much more than flats). - Having a bot look up and follow your voice prompts to suggest photo references as you draw. - Spell checking has been a thing for a long time. This, however, is nothing but sheer greed trying to be the next big technological revolution and falling flat on it's face.
![Smoother animation ≠ Better animation [read description]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_KRb_qV9P4g/mqdefault.jpg)
How do you get access to this studio spreadsheet?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aJHCQSA2dFdu4Fy__T3yDyiNqO0jMUBcku0EjKX3SZI/htmlview?fbclid=IwAR1z2L91BbAP0P8OC8i6feCT0AM9_Ag9Bq1phhVjtvRo2UCMwy1z0j28_JA
@@reverseshin It's a different spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aJHCQSA2dFdu4Fy__T3yDyiNqO0jMUBcku0EjKX3SZI/htmlview?fbclid=IwAR3L4TG5MrUgALrWz3B9RXxV2C73RqPENoOtc9IWYdcnNoAr_Wl-jB7ZdHI_aem_AT6yWZepRt3KjhS05iVXl6eRXR22n0AndOfzeH3sUWd-H_1JbdOvjypCgAHuC8e_m0o&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
@@reverseshin I pasted the wrong link! Edited it tho! Check it now!
@@AnimationHustle thank you fixing link.
so basically the best place to work in is nickelodeon and the worst is lighthouse studios
And this is why indie animation is blowing up right now. Indie animation directors want the HUMAN EXPERIENCE to be seen in their creations, and hiring humans to make that work by hand is what truly makes animation beautiful and such a unique experience. Animation is a celebration of life, in movement, expression, and style, not something to be automated, because when animation loses its human touch, it’s simply a shell of what it could be.
Edit: autocorrect decided to change simply to simple
The animation guild should fight back
But the indie animation has grown very strong with Digital Circus, Helluva Boss, and Lackadaisy.
@@thegiftedfire3470 I agree! They should! While indie animation is great, we should also strive to keep professions in the mainstream animation industry safe and healthy, because while indie animation has shown that we can fundraise entire seasons thanks to fans alone, there are good properties that companies hold that someone may have a new and fresh take on that AI and executives can’t have due to their sheer reductive and repetitiveness.
¡¡REVOLUCIÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓN!!
Hell this nonsense made me simply give up hollywood and go the underground route.
Honestly, indie communities just seem amazing in general, specially when it comes to stuff like indie animations/games.
This is just convincing me that the Industry is garbage and I’d rather have a steady job that I’m comfortable with and do my own projects on my own website and keep all the rights to it away from any of these people 👍
you're right even the story board being the easy and most creative step of animation being replaced, what else would they replaced next
The industry has been garbage for a long time. I also made the mistake of thinking it would be a good idea to get into the industry after graduating. 1 feature film and a couple of TV projects later I realised the industry is a piece of piss and left.
@@j6873What are you doing now? I wonder about what my options are after investing so much time into art.
@@AlexHuneycutt I switched from animation to tech 3 years ago. Any creative outlet I need, I do on the side.
Major companies are vulgar marketers. Doesn't relate to any human or artistic experience at all.
I saw a great post somewhere where someone put it best. They said that the problem with the direction of AI, is that people are trying to use it to replace jobs that people *actually love doing, and not jobs nobody loves doing. It is as petty as wanting to replace creative talent.... It shows how little they value human creativity... We will still have something AI does not; human souls.
They should just use ai for jobs that people don’t want to do. Like menial tasks
it'd be so much better if companies decided to use AI for genuinely dangerous/repetitive jobs and whatnot, but unfortunately they're focused on what makes them the most money
I’d love ai to replace inbetweening 😅
Technology’s goal shouldn’t be to “replace jobs nobody likes”. The goal of technology is to make our lives easier. Some people will have to adapt in response to new technologies - that’s what happens after every technological revolution, and should be welcomed and embraced. Imagine if we stopped the printing press from being built because of the poor scribes!
@@mikwee scribes didn't enjoy doing that be real. nobody liked writing pages and pages of text by hand, that's a one-way ticket to carpal tunnel.
If it isn't clear to you already, we've had a century of animation and yet Hollywood still doesn't understand or respect it, and never will
and it requires more talent and skill and attention than the rest of it.
Also, we should Replace those CEO and Executive instead with AI,
they contribute less than Storyboard artists, Director and Animators
They replace people as if they won't get replaced and become jobless and homeless themself,
Literally their job is the easiest one to Replace
the latter is not true.
i think we should replace the people in Hollywood with AI
i mean half of them already act like robots so we just need to replace them with actual robots and nothing would change lol
@@eliescobis9922 who exactly? Executives?
I thought AI was supposed to take the spot of the menial and boring jobs so "we will have more time to create art " but seems like the only jobs its replacing are the art/writing jobs....
You forgot the reason why the latter is happening, not the former. It's called: Capitalism.
@@costelinha1867 yeah except capitalism is the only reason we even have the privilege to do art as a career if we want to
@@rheinrich_art
No? You think it's not human nature to want entertainment, pretty things and communities? That's very AI bro of you.
History shows that handmade objects, theatre, paintings was always beloved. Capitalism wasn't always the norm you know.
Capitalism is about quantity over quality bc it's a industrialised approach to art making. Companies manifest destiny their ways with trash and fast food entertainment until that's what you get used to and then you turn around and sh*t on economic systems never realised in history. Red scare of the 1950s still going strong.
@@justalostlocal never said its not in our human nature to want entertainment...Yes humans have always made things, but part of it was out of necessity like the native americans and the tools or clothing they made, but nowadays we have the privilege to make things for the pure joy of making because we don’t have to worry about hunting a buffalo for our next meal or tending to your crops.
In the past not everyone got to make art tho,thats why during the renaissance artists were funded just so they could make things while everyone else took care of the neccessities
But now literally anyone can pursue art if they want, but we have had it so good for so long now people have taken things for granted, yes capitalism has its pros and cons but overall i believe is a net positive. Capitalism is like a fruit tree if left unchecked it grows long branches but doesn't produce quality fruit, it needs to be pruned every once and a while and kept in check to remove the bad or decaying branches. I agree with you about companies that mass produce art just for money sake is no good, take disney or marvel for example they pumped out so many crap movies lately just because they can without having a good story because they knew it would make money, but i think thats more greed than capitalism.
@@costelinha1867 More specifically, Consumerism
Let's replace studios with indie shows!
No but seriously, they need to think of a way to get consumers because I will not support this decision with my money.
ha yeah, ok, whatever you say
What do you mean? @@PolLópezMuñoz
@@PolLópezMuñoznobody watched wish, wouldn't be hard to boycott corporate animation be so fr
the alt account is crazy @@PolLópezMuñoz
we’d love to but the issue with indie animators is that all their work has to be crowdfunded as they have no investors. and because of that, they do not get big budgets, resulting in very low pay for their workers. still, I have hope for indie animation, it’s surely the future.
Indie animation is gonna blow up this decade, especially with procreate dreams coming out and making it more accessible than ever, screw AI generation
Yeah, with projects like Lackadaisy, Helluva Boss, Digital Circus, Monkey Wrench (very underrated but still very very good), Murder Drones, the way that these turn out better than what massive studios have produced in recent years especially in terms of an audience rating shows that they aren’t required to partner with the big dogs to make something of top quality, it shows that big companies like Disney, Illumination, Dreamworks, Sony don’t need to be relied on to make a show that’s good.
I agree, specially these past ten years, mainstream media in general, kinda became bland and "all the same", and with generative AI, it's probably going to be even more bland, so I also think independent projects will be much more interesting
Yes - and I think audiences can tell the difference between things made with passion and soul, and formulaic artificially generated crap.
the funny thing about ai generation is its a double edge sword... the big companies wont be as needed either
Procreate Dreams 😂😂😂 that’s not saving anyone. Plenty of other software that’s just as good. It’s a nice app, but it’s not changing the world yet as is.
The only thing that will save animation from these prompt generated image/animation apps is the paying audience rejecting them.
It's so gross because AI techbros tout AI "art" as a wonderful thing that will somehow enhance, and broaden human creativity and expression when really all it is a tool for corporations to exploit artists and creatives while erasing actual humans from the production process.
Naw it clearly expands it cause even I can make art and sell it for money ans save me so much time
@@imnugget8085 ....no it doesn't?
@@imnugget8085you're not the one who make the art thou
@@imnugget8085 You are not making anything. Don't get it twisted, prompter, you are not making art. Let's just leave that part crystal clear.
That's what's most upsetting though, AI can and has been used positively to aid artists themselves through an animation process. That's how the lighting in Klaus and a lot of the lines in Spider-verse were created, of course, these are then reviewed by ARTISTS for flaws. Corporation executives are the ones using it replace artists and call it art.
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It's okay, while Big studios Screwing themself, using AI to making everything more generic, and Sh*ttier
Basically by using AI, and firing the People who actually know what makes Things good, They're literally
choose milking more Money from people over Producing an Actual Good Movie,
and force people watch a half Assed cheap junk that they create
there are room for a new Studios and Indie studios to make the Greatest and Most ambitious Stuff Again.
This is the only opportunity for New Studios to Overthrow the more Established Company,
become the next Disney, while they're shooting themself on the foot
AI Bros definitely only have a Two digit IQ, therefore, they enjoy AI Created junk,
and can't differentiate good stuff from bad stuff.
why can't we replace these Studio executives with AI, if it does "everything better"?
bro hit the absolute bull's eye....🤘🤘🤘🤘
Eventually they will… then people will blame the CEOs.
FRRRR
It will. Jobs become hobbies in an age of abundance.
You can. Stop dealing with them (ceo’s, large studios etc.) and use the AI for whatever you need it for. Simple as that. Just adapt it (ai) to what you need it for and go for that
Literally how are storyboard artists the first ones they want to replace wtf. I'm against replacing any artists but IF I had to replace artists with AI I would probably start with clean-up artists or something, storyboard artists are the LAST ones I would replace because these guys are literally creating the foundation for the animation.
This just proves to me these CEOs have no idea about their own industry.
conversely what everyone is saying is: ai will do all the animation, and then a real artist will come in at the end and clean it up and fix it.
@@ithurtsbecauseitstrueWhat a turn of events
but why "replacement of artist" talks are going on??? let every human artist be there... this industry is alive because of human touch.
@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue shows that basically anyone saying this has no idea how GAI works.
clean up art, concepting, animation polishing, to be fair a hybrid model is what i prefer art wise
Every person who gets replaced by AI should get a livable income. Technology may be at the tipping point where it takes more jobs than it creates
I'm pretty sure that's how it always works, when you get fired you get a compensation so you can survive while you find something else
@@soulofexistence not really
unfortunately, in most cases you are fucked
@@soulofexistencethat only works if there is something comparable to find. That’s not going to be the case this time. It’s just a race to the absolute bottom.
That's why it's good to have a backup plan. I spent eight years of my life getting good at this and now I'm glad I'm not in this industry. Most animated shows nowadays are lazy, rigged characters. Most shows have the same style. It's boring and the furthest thing from being creatively innovative.
@@soulofexistence .....for board artists?.... rarely. And many on contract workers anyway - so they'd get nuthin.
Honestly, let them.
They already treat animators like shit and pay them the minimum while expecting to see a high quality master piece instead of trying to improve their writing.
And also now that indie animation is getting more popular not only will there be more creative freedom but they won't be treated like dog shit
Honestly the best comment of this vid
indie animators already use ai.
@@Dead_GoatBut not to replace board artists. One Lackadaisy Shop Talk explains how AI was used to speed up more tedious processes.
@@MechadonPrime as you should use it,like y'know a "tool"
True. They overwork animations and treat them like trash. Let them use AI. Let them realize that it's just going to make soulless animation, and they'll regret it when they lose their popularity and indie animation gets more popular. The higher-ups of animation studios are so stupid they ruin the actual purpose of animation.
they will waste more time explaining what they want in a frame, than an actual artist drawing a shot, lol.
These executives are going to be in for a rude awakening when their Ai prompted storyboards make about as much sense as a RUclips poop, lol
LMAOOOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂
LOL
Even a RUclips poop is more entertaining.
but it's enough for people
@@pyerackfr
Down with big studios that make game and Animation! ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY. INDIE GAMES AND ANIMATION ARE THE FUTURE. DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE. IF SKIBIDI TOILET CAN MAKE MORE MONEY THAN DISNEY RIGHT NOW THEN THERE IS HOPE!
Indie studios use ai more than big studios.
@@Dead_Goat Source?
After a 10 y career jumped from 2d animation to storyboard looking for better opportunities.
If that AI replacement happens I don’t know what I’ll do with my life.
But to be honest, the amount of creative input I am having opportunity to put in my work, in the storytelling, by adding new gags, by interpreting the text with nuances, I don’t know how an AI would be able to do that.
Reading a script and creating images is not a straightforward process. Can a machine understand what would make a gag funnier? Can AI work subtlety on a dramatic acting?
Go be a bus driver or plumber. Those jons are always in need. A job is a job.
@@rockon8174 .... That's not very inspiring or encouraging at all XD
Let them learn their lesson lol shits gonna flop
@@i_tell_u_hwathill8089 It worked with Motion Capture! And now let's hope the same happens with AI, and maybe in the future, it gets mocked the same way motion capture was but unlike motion capture, let's hope it dies forever and never gets repurposed (like how motion capture was for gaming).
@@rockon8174they are making driverless cars and trucks, eventually buses will be next.
I don't even need to see this video to know that AI should NOT take over the role of storyboard artists. The best cinematography is done for a reason, it's very specific, it's framed, angled and lit in a specific manner that they think is best for the story.
These companies are losing touch with what it means to be human and why we create (and likely why they even started the company in the first place). Creating makes us feel alive and brings us joy, but they're too concerned about making money to care enough about that anymore it seems so the artist treatment/replacing with AI is just the tip of the iceberg, their stories literally won't even be human anymore :(
This!! I agree with every word you said. Creativity can't be programmed or automated, and we're so much more than automatisms. We can live and feel things, and our humanity is what make us able to create heartfelt, genuine stories.
Then create as a hobby. Doesn’t have to be a job.
@@BASED.88 but we still have to have a job to live in this hellscape of a society, and in order to do that we don’t have enough time to create
@@HinataElyonToph I don't know what to say other than life is unfair. I don't think art is as valuable as real work. The truly talented artists will still be able to make a living, but AI will cut out the people who should have probably left it as a hobby.
AI opens up more opportunities for creation, as well. Writers who have a good vision but struggle to put it to paper can now use AI assistance to edit and correct what they do have. AI is a tool people can use and it will only eliminate the mediocre
Most people wont care if the story or artwork is human or not, they will just care about the quality.
This is a bad news for aspiring animators like us 😢
Nope. It's a great thing.
@@rockon8174 please stop it
@@rockon8174no it’s lazy on the companies part and discouraging for anybody who wants to join that field
Story board artists*
@@Gaenet_does_art I’m an artist and my passion is animation and I’m in art school
What surprises me is that anyone is still surprised by this. Of course that execs want to replace every single damn creative position by AI. Writing? Use AI. Drawing? Use AI. Every single part of the animation and production process? Automate it all, who cares. They don't see passion or cultural significance, they only see products and profits. That is absolutely disgusting, and you should always be scandalized by it.
Truly proves that they considered the jobs to be "automated" and robotic to begin with. They never valued the creative input and humanity...they always wanted free robot labor even when it was human.
I feel like storyboarding is the main step that you DON'T want done by A.I. no? You're setting up camera shots and composition. It's the part where the feel of things is going to be established (from a cinematography point). If anything, everything AFTER the storyboards would be better assisted by A.I.
No, don't let AI do the animation, either.
boarding is basically directing the piece. In the industry they say its the most important part. And they already pay peanuts for it as it is. The animation industry was hijacked by non-animators long ago.
I agreed with you until that last bit. No, the rest should NOT be done by AI.
@@nekorina9011 Ai should be banned from any art making.
The only thing AI is good for... is like... when I am at the grocery store - and the damn check out lane doesn't know I already put the item in the bag. And it keeps telling me I didn't, but I clearly did. Use AI to fix that. Why are they not focused on these actual fixes instead of trying to do art.
@@nekorina9011 I'm not saying that it should be DONE by A.I. but that it would make more sense for artists to use A.I. tools for those parts.
I did reseach on AI art and made it the main subject of my school assignmens last year. just started my first job this year in a studio doing work for companies like Warner Bros .The animation industry in my country is fairly small and its seemingly the same names featured in every project coming out of the country and it feels like a tight knit community, alot work on multiple projects at once because of , this makes AI feel like a boogie man out to get even people i know and crush my dreams just as i get started in the industry. Welp then i guess if the big companies dont want us, we get to pump out more indie stuff
I make the commitment to NEVER watch anything that a human wasn't employed to make
so do i
I Been Dreaming To Join The Animation Industry
But There Is Like No Way That Some Moron Is Gonna Replace Me With AI
Why would they hire a moron to use ai if it's accessible to everyone? Even if ai will have something you don't have you'll have ai, and what ai doesn't have
So don't feel existential crises man even if ai becomes this magic box people think it is no one's gonna take your place the place will be destroyed itself
@@_nutcracker Yeah I Can See Your Point About This
I Mean I am not sure If Someone Is Going to Be Hired Or Not To Teach The Artists To Learn How To Be An Harmony Or In tandem With The AI Tools Given
But It Works A Bit Better If The AI Technology To Be Not Used That MUCH
I Know AI Can Be A Fun Toy and Saves You Like Millions Or Something
But We Might Need to Use A Bit Sparingly
@@DanielLave25280 reality is Knowing ai would just become a necessity like knowing computers is for jobs
But won't you pick somebody that can
Do things which the ai fails to do
It would be better if we take ai for granted where we don't have to do the
Boring chore like tasks instead of live in this constant fearmorgering delusion
This video shows how artists have a hand in their own undoing. In the section featuring the Simpsons Storyboard Artist who pioneered creating his own animatics, he just shrugs off the fact that he doubled (at least) his own workload without any extra pay, and allowed the studio the opportunity to see that they could save money by having one guy do the job of two. “No need for a storyboard editor! The artist volunteers to do it himself!”
No wonder the other artists were mad.
Tbh the industry was going to make them do animatics eventually, guy just sped up the inevitable
It's called passion tax and animation seems especially susceptible to it. You take advantage of the fact that people love their work and want nothing more but to make the best thing they can, and studios see that and take advantage of it by doubling their work load and cutting their pay. And if you're an artist and you don't like it, what the hell are you going to do? Quit? Everything is centralised in LA, with only a handful of companies and executives managing everything. You make yourself a problem and you'll get blacklisted eternally. Look up what happened to the creator of the constant Payne pilot. It's absolutely vicious.
As a beginner artist, this topic really busts my balls. Cause I love digital art and animation and when I look at ai art, I see that its just soulless, there is no interest in analyzing the picture and looking for details, because its just a fucking blend of other people art. And what really pisses me off, it's those guys who create a fucking patreon or a similar thing, and basically earn money from "readjusting art pieces" from REAL ARTISTS.
I wasn't angry about whole ai art topic at first, but when I saw people who call themselves "AI ARTIST" I just lost it. It's like ripping in half real painting like Mona Lisa and Scream, glueing them together and calling yourself an artist.
P. S Just comparing, to draw a character, you really have to think, analyze, you have to learn fundamentals and anatomy etc. To make an AI drawing of character, you just hitting reset button until it looks somewhat presentable and do minor changes in prompt. That's not a fucking creative process, it's an equivalent of banging your head against the wall until you make a passage.
100% agree. I understand your anger too. Ive been in this road for about 8 years, idk If have your own project, but If you don't, its good to start a new one. Even If you don't get hired, or me, we still have our own IP, that we can share It and earn followers, eventually getting money (to survive). I wish you good studies and practice. My ART friend.🖼️🎨🖌️
@@blueffect1 thanks!
This is one of the best ways to describe the sheer amount of frustration it brings to me and many other artists at this point.
Storyboarding is one of my favorite art forms ever, for live action, animation, or whatever else. It's the basis in which everything relies on. To hear that these greedy executives are planning to cut US out of the process for some shitty program enrages me.
Those executives don't really care about cinematography. They care about earnings call. Bad cinematography and mediocre storyboard are fine when they can save up a few dollars.
I’m in 2d animation school I don’t want AI to take over it should be by human artists
Get your money back and go to school to become a Plumber or Electrician. Pays more and always in need.
get a life, why are you under every reply? don't you have something better to do@@rockon8174
@@rockon8174 no I’m not my passion is animation
Are you sure you are not an AI troll@@rockon8174
@@rockon8174 If you're gonna act like a jerk and tell people to get "rEaL jObS" how about you take your own advice, *AND GO OUTSIDE AND GET A JOB!*
quit trolling, cause it ain't funny.
Telling a story with your characters needs emotion. Only humans have that.
Animals have emotions too also alot of storytelling is cold logic designed in such a way to control reactions.
There are techniques to invoke certain emotions (involving music, narration, directing, acting), there is no need for emotion to be part of the creative process to have the result you want.
The AI will just need to know what emotion wants to invoke with each scene, and it will be able to do it using already existing techniques, it doesn't even need to be able to feel it.
@OnigoroshiZero Emotions are biological, we know how they work because we can experience them. And it's because we can feel them that they'll be a part of the creative process. It's about comprehension of the human on the emotional level. It doesn't feel right to reduce emotions as things that can be coldly "programmed" in the way you explained it.
And rather than "how", I think it's important to think about the "why" we want to invoke emotions. Emotions are usually related to putting focus on certain events, and we include them in what we create because we want to tell a story. A story that can be inspired by what shaped us and makes us a person: our emotions, our experiences, interests, motivations, dislikings, desires, etc. An AI doesn't and can't have any of that. At it's core it's just a program that executes a command, so how would it be able to convey emotions in a way that truly resonates with people?
We're more than automatisms. We have the ability to live and feel things, that's how and why we can tell heartfelt, genuine stories in a way an AI could never do.
@@maelysd.7101 I don't think computers will have a problem with the "why" either, necessarily.
They can have access to known story structures, and if they are fed on data of real life people, they should be able to identify the kinds of things say when they feel even nuanced emotions even if the machine can't feel it themselves.
Humans are animals
I’m not going to let some fake human take over my life and my goal. 😡
Well, I don't see how it will take over your life... Your goals are another thing. Get really good in the field you're aiming for. Get so good that they'll have to hire you. Unless it's anime... then McDonald's is hiring...
@@reubenisaac702 I’m leaving how to combine the American cartoon art style with a bit of Japanese Anime for RUclips
@@frostybootz I was just kidding about the Anime part. It's not my cup of tea, but I drool whenever I see their backgrounds, or their cinematography. You got this man, learn the principles of animation. It sounds boring but learn about Disney's 9 old men and what they brought to the table. You got this!
@@reubenisaac702 Animation turned out to be fun because I use a simple animation app called FlipaClip.
And I agree with the anime too because my version of “Kemono anime” is less complicated and I might turn out to be a weeb. (Don’t judge me)
AI is not meant for art. It was a mistake to introduce it to the industry in the first place. I am an artist myself, writer, musician and painter, and hearing the fact that AI is being used in all three of those industries is abhorrent. People enjoy making art. AI will never be able to replicate the hard work that goes into our own ideas, our storytelling, our creativity. It is dependent on the human experience. The people who make AI are not artists themselves. They are pseudo-engineers who pretend that this will somehow transcend the beautiful, flawed, marvelous art artists have been creating for decades.
INDIE ANIMATION WILL WIN!!! 🥇
yeah, whatever.
Magical thinking rarely works.
You really think indie animators won't use AI to compete with bigger companies only to claim that they don't use AI to appeal to "moralists"? Of course they will, most probably do already to some capacity. It's the same with calculators. Nobody does multiplication by hand anymore.
I can see why on paper an exec would think you replace storyboarding most easily, "hey it's like not even finished art so why does it matter of its good? Plus it's not even part of the final product so I think we can still have copyright... "
But it really ignored how much of the most important human decision making happens.
As a storyboard artist this is my biggest fear. I hope I don't lose the career I graduated art school for 🥲
I graduated at the start of this nonsense and have yet to have a single storyboarding gig. I've already accepted my career plans need to change 🥲
the magic and fun of creating animations with a team of humans in a collaborative, safe environment is so precious and valuable and it needs to be protected at all costs
I'll be honest, hearing someone want to replace an entire department, and uproot every single life there broke my heart.
hell no,I don't want fake art replacing real artists
As someone who wants to potentially become a storyboard artist, this is so disheartening.
You have something an AI could never have: creative abilities, the spark of creativity and an understanding of what can make a good story greater. Don't give up!
@@maelysd.7101 I know this is just a yt comment reply but this means so much to me, thank you :’)
AI is a gimmick that will die soon enough. You are not. Don't give up.
I'm going to college for animation later this year, I'm scared by the time I graduate AI will replace the job I spent years working for
Well, learn another trade just in case. I've done animation school twice because technology has changed so much, and I just do commission work and designs for companies now. I just focus on my own artwork. No endless hours, tight deadlines for shows I would never watch in a million years. Keep at it but keep in mind there's other ways to make money. I'm now a fishing guide. I make way more money and I get to hangout in the woods all day, all summer long. You can still do the animation thing.
@@reubenisaac702 that's really great for you, but animation is truly all I want to do (as of right now) it's one of the only things I have a real passion for.
@@LoiterYT i feel you so much. I am a 3d modeller and creating 3d models is the only thing in my life that i wanna do every day for the rest of my life. I've spend thousands of dollars for schools and education. To see that ai might do what i spend years learning really makes me depressed and feel meaningless.
@1eleder143 whenever the animation guild strikes again, it needs to be set in stone that there are NO exceptions for AI.
we should unionize
I hate this AI crap. Call me a luddite, technophobe or whatever.
Take it as a compliment to be called a luddite. The luddites were right. The history lesson most of us get, is heavily biased against them, and the problems AI is creating is just like the problems they were fighting against. The race to the bottom that replaces good jobs with bad jobs, and creates inferior products.
Wow, that’s profoundly awful
I don't think AI would threaten just art jobs, but every job that exists.
It is the most nonsensical invention.
It takes away the purpose of the person themselves.
It's a double-edged sword and I'm not even sure what to think of it anymore.
All I know is people need purpose.
Even if we have to fight for it, we must always have purpose.
Studios wanna replace anyone they can with AI. If they can they will, the question if they will be able to do so without reducing quality
considering the mindset "spend less earn more", this was foreseen
I think AI could be a great asset for inbetweening key animation... maybe. As long as the creative foundation has been done by human hand. AI generated storyboards however would be completely soulless no matter the quality. I want cartoons drawn by people, now and always.
Keyframers are responsible for the framework and inbetweeners are responsible for giving it life. I know there's an AI for inbetween frames in the works, but I could never imagine giving such a beautiful responsibility to AI. I also know the treatment of inbetweeners in the industry is terrible, but using AI to lessen their workload isn't the solution. Companies WILL take advantage of that and the inbetweeners, some of whom actually like their job, will be kicked to the curb. I would rather have companies (indie studios included) make less animation if it means no AI than make more animation with more AI. I understand the argument for indie studios using the AI inbetweens but it just doesn't sit right with me. It's like using AI generated "art" except you're giving the AI permission to use your art. Inbetweens are just as important as keyframes and the job should be given to a human that will actually put passion and soul into the drawing. I'm not really looking to argue as a fellow anti-AI but I wanted to say my opinion anyway.
@@yaosanemi and they also suffer more than anyone in the industry. The time, money, and physical+mental strain from inbetweening outweighs literally anything else in the animation pipeline. Demanding that they go through that needlessly just to fulfil your predisposition seems incredibly self centered. I'm someone who passionately studies each frame of an animation to appreciate and enjoy the time and skill that goes into it, but i would absolutely not hold it against a studio if they used tools to help them save money, health, and time for such labor intensive tasks.
@@yaosanemi I would put those inbetweeners into keyframe works imho. I'm not sure but aren't inbetweeners really are beginner animators that's working their way up to do the real keyframes?
If i recall correctly this kind of thing was used for the 2d line effects drawn over the models in spiderverse. Inbetweening is already automatic in 3d software by default, so it makes sense not to have a whole team of people just redrawing tiny lines each frame. 3d animation can get really complex, so it seems to be there's more beneficial uses for machine learning in 3d rather than 2d, since there's more moving parts to deal with. I think one place where there's a lot of potential for it is retopology. If an AI could automatically retopologize a model sculpted by an artist with topology optimized for animation, it would cut out a lot of work that many artists find to be the most tedious part of the process.
@@user-bk1dr1sd8ginbetweeners don't merely draw tiny lines each frame. Between two storytelling frozen moments, or pose extremes, all of the nuance and flourish and bounce and snap is created in how you inbetween it.
They’ve gotta still have at least one artist on board punching it up, cause it’s impossible that a machine can match a client’s instructions perfectly. At least right now.
I don’t think that anyone should worry about AI at least until it gets super (like really super) advanced because look for example at motion capture. It was supposed to be a thing that would change the industry and replace 3d animators, but at the end it just exists parallel with regular 3d animation now
Yup because realistic human movement is boring and artist are the person who make it interesting
motion capture is not ai it still need human to work i don't think ai is comparable to anything
if you wait for that it'll be far too late to do anything about it
Here's a quote from one of my favorite books, that sums my thoughts up on this pretty well.
-"There's a balance, a delicate one, like walking on a wire. Technology is all well and good as long as it expands our horizons, our machines bring fresh skills, a whole new pool of talents and careers. If we built things to replace us, what's the point?”
-"It doesn't replace anything just makes things easier like a boat or a bridge”
-"A boat is certainly useful but requires a vast set of skills to master and has expanded our avenues beyond measure. Bridges are also convenient but also complex, beautiful, artistic and inert, A balance."
Hey, may I ask what book the quote is from? Because this is one good quote
AI literally cannot replace humans to do this job... It's still having major issues with making up a very short story without messing up major details and totally forgetting stuff that happened earlier in the story. It can't be consistent even if held at gunpoint.
Give it a few more years. The development growth is exponential. A few years ago it couldn't generate anything at all. It's only a matter of time before it overtakes anything a human could possibly do.
@@shadedusk7831 AI is good at certain things but there are plenty of things a human can do by nature that AI cannot. Since AI isn't a consious being with a will. it's not really the quality of the generated things but more it's specificity. i really don't think it will be able to do anything of that level without any human guidance at least.
@@ZTRCTGuy It will. If you accept that consciousness is merely a byproduct of our nervous system functioning the way that it does (which it is at the end of the day) then it's only a matter of time before the correct mathematical model that can imitate it perfectly is created and trained. Given the amount of progress in the field in recent years the time needed to achieve that is getting smaller and smaller.
Having conscious AI that perfectly imitates human consciousness and creates with it's own "specificity" is very real and possible. It'll just take some more time to develop.
On the flipside, you could just as well argue that human will is merely a byproduct of inherit traits and experiences which we are trained on during our life that result in the thoughts we have. The "specificity" you speak of is merely a collection of experiences and traits that can be modeled and trained on mathematical models as well. It is inevitable, it'll just take a few more years (maybe 10 or 20 at most)
@@shadedusk7831 ''If you accept that consciousness is merely a byproduct of our nervous system functioning the way that it does''
I don't. human consiousness is something not that well understood yet by science. And I'm currently not willing to speculate.
@@ZTRCTGuy It's as well understood as it can be. Fundamentally it's a mechanism of our nervous system utilized to maximize our chance of survival. Basically just a program our brains are running to simulate scenarios and chose the best course of action continously.
I want to watch it to educate myself, but this topic brings me so much anxiety ;w;
The only job that can actually be replaced with AI is the C.E.O position. That's why these corpies think they can replaced everyone else too, they lack perspective. Kinda like an AI
A tape recorder from the 80's, playing bad ideas on a continuous loop, could replace a CEO
In ten years some one will probably make a concept of a dystopian society ruled by ai art of all forms and the only thing opposing it is a indie artist resistance group
DARTH V-A.I.-Der!
Please read the third story on the sci fi anthology book called The Paper Menagerie.
I think you will like it.
I will always support good real artists and good talented skill people 👍
I keep asking how we should fight against this but everyday it seems like we're just hellbent on making everything worse for no reason
time to do some lawsuits.
I can’t see this going well for mainstream animation studios honestly, not in the long run. People want art made by artists, you can look at box office trends and see for yourself, every movie last year bombed except for stuff like Spiderverse, which had a lot of care and thought put into it. Ai has quickly become synonymous with, lazy and generic even to people who aren’t artists, and a common complaint with media being made now is that most tv and movies are lazy and generic. All they’re really doing is digging themselves a deeper hole that will lose money in the long run. You can replace as many people with machines as you want but that won’t change the fact that audiences aren’t watching what you’re putting out.
I dont care who makes it. I just want something good
Real and based. AI is a dying gimmick imo.
It is not something about AI in overall people just do not value the artists. I had some gigs as concept designer for indie game studios in my country (Turkey) And all of them was jerks to the artists. They either want to add you another seperate function or get rid off you as soon as they can. I am not against AI I am against the mindset of non-artist people. Even though I was always just making things easier for them. Doing all necessary visual art disciplines when needed concepts, marketing materials etc. And because I was preparing for AAA studios for my future plans I was slaying it around most of the indie artists. Not to boast but to illustrate how even when your skills are truly competitive still this the type of behaviour you will get. There will always be a pyramid where they always value "the coders, the accountants, the HR the QA" everbody sees more value than you in the business pyramid. Just because what we do seems "fun" from afar. We put hours of work to build our skillset and people just calculate it as "you have talent or not" And they overlook you since if "they had the talent" they could be an artist too. Which is not even near as truth we don't have natural born superpowers we are digging the shid and learning the skill in a life long journey for mastery of the craft. This is the people hurting and threatening our jobs not necessarily AI or even AI companies. It is the mindset behind.
Okulda bile öğrenciler birbirlerine karşı bu şekilde :D Animasyon bölümünde hocalar teşvik ve taktir ederken öğrenciler kendi aralarında birbirlerini ezmeye çalışıyorlar. Kim bilir sektör nasıldır şimdi...
@@nsanefe Geçen bir Türk oyun stüdyosuyla iletişime geçmiştim, çoğunluğu yazılımcı olan bir grup insan. Önceden sanatçılarla çalışıyorlarmış, ancak sonra konseptleri yapay zeka ile oluşturmaya başlamışlar. İllüstrasyonları anlarım ama AI ile konsept oluşturmak, yapılması gereken 100 tasarım varsa her biri için günlerce kafa yormak ve denemelerle uğraşmak zaman israfı. Ben de onlara, işlerini kolaylaştırabileceğimi söyledim. Hem bu araçları kullanmayı biliyorum, hem de zaten konsept tasarımcısıyım, yani işim çizim sonuçta. Böylece özgün ve tutarlılıktan da ödün vermeyen konseptler elde edebiliriz. AI ile 50-100 tasarımı aynı stil ile çıkarmak için çok spesifik değerler girmek gerekir, aksi halde proje süreci bozulabilir. Yapay zeka karşıtı değilim ama bu yaptıkları kulağı tersten tutmak zannetiklerinin aksine pek de zaman kazandırmıyor yani. Kibarca örnek çalışma yapmayı talep ettim, görüşme ayarlamak istediklerini belirttiler fakat sonrasında hiçbir cevap alamadım. Bu yıl aynı şehirden iki şirket gördüm, birinde bulundum, diğeriyse bahsettiğim stüdyo. Gerçekten de, kodlamacı patronların sanatı önemsemediğini ve her şeyi kodla çözmeye çalıştıklarını gördüm. Tasarımcıların ve modelcilerin ciddiye alınmadığını gördüm. Temel sistemler kod olmadan çalışamaz, ancak diğer meslekler de önemlidir. Oyunlarda animasyoncular, konsept tasarımcıları, modelciler olmadan işler ilerlemez. Yazılımcılar bunu anlamalı. Eğer yazılımcılar diğer disiplinleri anlarsa, işler daha kaliteli olur. Hypercasual oyun ile para kırma sevdası yüzünden ülkede profesyonelce iş yapan insan yok. Ülkemizde bazı stüdyolar hypercasual yapmanın hakkını verirken diğerleri sadece onlara özeniyor ve "kolay" diye girişiyorlar. Sonra asset kullanıyoruz yapay zeka ile zaten çözdük gibi söylemler... O asset mağazasındaki assetleri tasarlayan sanatçılar olmasa o kodlar kendi kendine hiç bir şey ifade etmeyecek onları da sanatçı tasarımcı tayfa üretiyor farkında değiller.
Bütün dünyada imalat önce çizmek ile başlar sonra üretim bandına girer giydikleri donu bile endüstri sanatçıları çiziyor haberleri yok.
Yani günün sonunda ne yapay zeka ne de hazır assetler, sektördeki işleri ve ekip içi iletişimi kalitesizleştiren tek etken yine böylesi vizyonsuz insanlar.
Using AI itself to simplify a process isn't a bad thing, but to use it to outright circumvent the whole process itself is disaster waiting to happen.
Technology should have its limits like how some of the Disney animators liked the old fashion way of storyboards, it didn’t destroy their life whenever digital storyboards became a thing, they just miss it. But AI storyboarding and animation takes jobs away from people, steels from artists, it doesn’t look good and it’s not art, it was made by an ai using existing material. There is a large difference between an advancement in technology and a technology that is borderline illegal and very unethical to use.
"Nobody gives a care about the fate of labor as long as they can get their instant gratification" - Squidward
☺I love the excitement for story boards among the artists. Everybody should experience that at least once.
I knew this would happen, but I didn't think it would be so soon. Damn those greedy corporations.
This is very discouraging for artists like myself to continue with their art. I’m kinda loosing hope of finding a good-paying job as an artist. I have been debating for a LONG-ass time. If I should create RUclips videos or create posts on other platforms of my artwork. I haven’t yet because of how overly toxic other artists can be with their “art lore”. I also have this burning desire to share my story concepts to other mutuals (if I ever find any that is), but I am also afraid that I’ll just receive comments like “womp womp”, “fatherless behavior” or any sort of sociopathic comment telling me that my work is cringe and that I am wasting my time.
I guess the fact that AI is replacing artists is telling me that I *am* wasting my time.
I now feel like I am fighting a loosing battle whenever I take my art major classes, because I know I’ll just be expendable.
This is the reason why I NEVER show the internet my artwork.
If you want to express your ideas and creativity, you don't need the validation from others to do it. If you feel like expressing yourself solely for your own enjoyment and satisfaction, it shouldn't matter what others think or what tools exist; AI can't steal your desire to create. If you want to make stuff, make stuff. If you don't, don't. It's pretty simple at the end of the day.
At the end of the day nothing will replace pencil and paper.
It would be ridiculous to Ai storyboards. These suits are completely out of touch. Get ready for an era of bland and generic shots.
Seriously, who would even watch that garbage? Also, won't people just boycott those shows/movies if they learn that the studio used AI to make it? Just recently Wacom and Wizards of the Coast received backlash for using AI art on their advertising. So I doubt people would want to fork over their money to a studio that used AI.
Animation is pretty much bland and generic at this point. Everything looks and feels the same except for a few.
I prefer to be an independent artist/illustrator, hollywood is going crazy with A.I replacing artists, storyboard artists with these tools to make the production costs cheap. Indie Animation has grown in popularity thanks to these artists who they are replaced by A.I in the studio that worked on once in hollywood. While indie animation is growing more and more, the animation industry is falling apart by A.I replacement.
This is spells nothing but trouble and disaster for those wanting to animators in the future including me
No. No it doesn't.
Don't worry about @rockon8174 crapp is a youtube AI troll
@@Luqueso1 thanks man
@@Luqueso1 go be a Plumber. Facts don't care about your feelings. Go get a useful skill if you think AI will replace your current skill or non-existent skill.
@@drakulta4925 🙄🙄🙄 whatever.
Tech companies want us all to be so heavily reliant on AI that we can't function without it. Like being stuck on the side of the road and not knowing how to change a tire.
I work as a storyboarder myself, and I have never yet worked on the perfect script that you can just translate to pictures without rework etc. Off course big studio executives these days think that, they are not cinema people anymore, they don't care if they run a movie studio or a cake factory. I don't fear for me job in the nearest future, as these AI productions will fail to hit a human audience, I am pretty sure. We might have to suffer that one AI made movie that will actually be good, and every studio executive thinks that they can replicate the formula, and for ten years we will watch them learn the hard lesson.
There's been posts on Twitter that sag-afra signed a contract or something for the use of AI voices and stuff like and I was like HUH?!
It's unfortunate that AI in animation is often tied to corporate greed instead of its creative potential. ML approaches, like diffusion models, elevate visual quality, as used in creative ways in Elemental (2023). Some studios prioritize lazy automation over meaningful content, missing the chance for AI to enhance storytelling in animation.
AI should be used as a tool not as a way of replacing talented Storyboard artists, Animators, and Voice Overs.
Keep drawing people of Art. I take 2024 with good habits to make TRUE ART!
Generative ai apps are unusable, this apps will become boring and ultra recognizable.
Starting to think we got betrayed in the writer/artist strike.
ΑI cannot replace animation or artists, the story, animation and artists is what makes the result lively, *good*. An AI cannot replicate the art, story or animation of humans, it just isn't possible, they dont have the capacity or the creativity, they dont make original work, they just copy other work, sure people do that, but AI cannot have original ideas, all their ideas are copied from somewhere else without credit
You'd think they'd want to use ai for the more expensive bit (Animation)
How the hell will storyboarding even work if it's mostly automated?
It's probably a test to see what it can do before moving onto the bigger jobs. Storyboards are a dime a dozen in the pre-production stage. Thank God there isn't a lot of good animated shows out there, I have a feeling this is the industries downfall. Hollywood/ Entertainment Industry needs a reset.
As an artist I do not feel threatened by AI in the slightest. My problem lies with the people force-feeding it to us
We need more indie animations now
As a Computer and Art Guy no they gonna fall very hard AI can accelerate the Speed but only that.
All I’ve got to say is
Fuck Netflix.
Back in the 19's century a lot of portrait artists were angry that they might lose their jobs due to the invention of the camera. Guess what happened, they lost their jobs and we all use cameras today without even thinking about them. The bottom line is that we now live in a future we never dreamed will be possible, but whether we like it or not we need to get used to it.
Honestly, I think that people will seek much more independent media, not only animation, but media in general. These past years, most mainstream media seems bland, and with AI, it's probably going to be even more saturated, so I think indies may thrive more
A.I. wont kill art. Id rather pay for something someone did by hand vs something created by a couple clicks of a button. A.I. = Less work with same payout it feels
Also, the studios might all disintegrate once single-person creators can fully replace -at a professional level- the writers directors composers editors actors G&E cameramen marketing copywriters etc etc.
We really have no clue just how fast things will get there. But that’s exactly where we’re headed.
The invention of the DSLR made it so teenagers in their bedrooms practically replaced daytime TV overnight.
We really have no idea what’s coming…..
Next, AI will be taking over breathing from humans
That's the opposite side of the process i'd want to use AI for... Like maybe AI cleanup artist, sure, but making the storyboards from scratch with AI? That's more than pointless, it will end out with as poor product.
Like, if youre gonna use AI, generate it based on the storyboards.
Its not gonna be great at the moment but I could see it as a possible way to do it in the future. But not for every project... Then you'd have the animation cleanup artists come in and probably mostly just point out to the AI what it messed up on, and use AI to fix it.
If nothing else I see that last step happening.
Yeah! I think there are and will be more areas where AI can be helpful. New Technology changes things but the plans rn AINT IT lol
@@AnimationHustleThey're making humans do the boring jobs with minimum payments while letting AI do fun and creative things. It's not what I really want to see happens.
Using software to draw and make own animatics is at least fun change.
Yeah, AI sketch clean is what i probably need, an algorithm detecting scratchy lines
I can really relate to the story that Brad is telling around 7:00. The industry has been changed because of the technology and I hear a lot of artists complain but personally I love it because now I can craft a complete story and show my vision for what I'd like to make. The only way was "stay in your lane and let us figure out how to make this work" the new way is now I'm a filmmaker and I get to tell stories the way I'd like them to be told. For those wondering- the money followed.
Using ai to write for movies and shows(even video games) is a terrible idea. Even if we seen this with Disney's Wish or not, it won't be so very good with it's final results in the end because you would have to go back and fix some problems even if there's so much.
These studios can do what they want but they cant stop me using 60FPS and 50000X40000 frames on my own projects. As I say about my writing "The real world is boring so I made my own."
Oh lord no. I just saw this and the fact that "Higher ups" want to replace any body, regardless of positions, are failing to recognize that AI currently is only good for the artists and creatives to use as a tool. Specifically to help give ideas and have ideas going. It's not a good tool for finished animation, nor music, nor writing, nor anything that ain't simple.
AI is trained, and the training data is most definitely bias due to what is given. An AI Voice will always have a bias towards sounding like Tim Daly's Superman if it's trained on Tim Daly's Superman. And AI Art Gen will always be bias with making Neal Adams Art if it's primarily trained on Neal Adams Art.
AI Art Gen is good for cool looking generic posters and landscapes, not something that can give you interesting animation or dynamic posing in a cohesive sequence. AI Tech ain't there yet and most likely wont be for another few years..
If they wanted to incorporate AI Art Gen, they have to have it as a tool for their workers and treat it as a tool. Cool or interesting idea's that might come out of nowhere just to see what it might be like. It can't be official material unless it's primarily trained on their workers art and therefor need to give their artist more pay if publishing stuff like that.
If they wanted to incorporate AI Writing Gen, they have to have it as a tool for their workers and treat it as a tool. Throw Idea's around to see what it could be, but ultimately they still need writers to make it work and may as well have it be a glorified spell checker.
If they wanted to incorporate AI Video Gen, they need to be laughed at cause the tech is NOWHERE NEAR good enough to even be passable for 1min animation. It goes off making whatever random thing it's working on LIKE the AI Art Gen, but with a bunch of random sequences that makes no sense.
I hate the idea of AI being used for this cause it FUNDIMENTALLY misses the point of it. AI is a tool to help finish the product. IT is NOT a finished product.
I am perfectly fine with AI, so long as these dumbasses didn't try to do cut corners in the most Ludacris possible way. God Damn it!
Humans are doing manual work while the robots do art.
11+ mins but barely showing any hands on examples of the AI making storyboards, that site was nothing, lots of sites like that with no free trial no refunds or you have to contact their support and never heard of again.
The major issue here is that artist seem to think they must work for a company like Disney, Nickelodeon, and so on. Do your own thing, these companies have enough. Instead of just looking at AI as a bad thing, look to see what you yourself can get from it. I grew up as a traditional cartoon artist and had to learn digital art. I could call digital art not real art too, because there are things you can do with it that you can't do with traditional.
I can think of uses for AI that would benefit artists without cheapening an artists' work.
- Adding flat colors (My least favorite step when making comics, I would welcome a shortcut there, since coloring well is so much more than flats).
- Having a bot look up and follow your voice prompts to suggest photo references as you draw.
- Spell checking has been a thing for a long time.
This, however, is nothing but sheer greed trying to be the next big technological revolution and falling flat on it's face.
I agree to 2 and 3 but not 1
The future is crowdfunded indies.
Life was good before ai
No, it's not, but it got worse with a sharp leap of it's development, bc first ai appeared with the arrival of computers itself