Having a PC with a DVD drive (and a bay in the cabinet) is always worth it for me. I have got dozens and dozens of games' DVDs that I can't use in my "modern" PC, because decent new cabinets don't support DVD drives.
@@themorphman100already tried that. Bought 2 and both stopped working after a while. These Usb ones don't last really long. Though I also have an old PC from 2012 which has the DVD drive and that one still works.
$170 for the whole PC is a great buy. Thanks for sharing. While the 12400f is faster it also still costs $130 to $150 new. That is close to the price of your (mostly) complete PC. Pair that 8700 with a Rtx 3060 a new tower cooler and you are set for the next few years (Maybe grab a solid 650W Psu).
Recently built a used parts rig with an 8700, 2070, H310M, 16gb Corsair Vengeance RGB RAM, and 120mm aio in a brushed aluminium case for 800 NZD (about 400 GBP). It goes hard! The 8700 is a great budget CPU in 2024 🙂👍
watching a video from you is such a blessing! also i think the 8700 would go along with a 5700xt VERY well, especially if playing on 1440p (less cpu load usually)! also if you threoretically wanna upgrade to 9th gen, i'd say it'd be better to directly jump over the 9900k!
What is 2K? In the convoluted mix of either saying 4K or 2160p, 2K is technically one half of the 4K aspect ratio, 3840x2160. 1080p is 2K. 1440p is 2.5K etc..
@@Tomazack funny story, people actually call 1440p 2k, I had one hell of a brain aneurism trying to make sense of how the hell doubling the resolution of a 2k monitor gave 5k instead of 4k, but yeah long story short people round it down for some reason (maybe to say it faster) so he means 1440p
got an 8700 for free in late 2021. put it together in Jan 22, added a 3080 12GB at some point and am very happy at 4k 60 fps highest quality in any game that I touch. Granted, Cyberpunk and Starfield are not among them. Forza 5 is though. I'll look into a repalcement when it starts choking and no earlier. What I like too is the comparably moderate power consumption.
still rocking a 8700k oc'd to 5.1GHz since 2019. paired with a 3080ti and playing on 5120x1440 it still runs like a dream! absolutely no stutters or hitching at all. no upgrade for me yet seeing the non-k variant holding up really well still. nice video as always, you're doing a great job for the ever growing community 👍👍
@@themightylordofgoblins6880 lol i got an i7 4th sticking to it until i can buy an am5 saving for it i told u to save for it and wait even if it takes a year will be worth it honestly
I recently upgraded my 9600k to a 13600kf. I cap my fps to 165Hz and I didn't see much difference in fps (most games sit on the limit with either CPU & a 4070Ti) 1% lows are better though. I had an 8400 before the 9600k and its still going strong in a basic build. It was a great gaming CPU back in the day, Great video thanks.
I did a 8700k to 13600kf recently Went from 60-80fps in a server on FiveM I play on, To anywhere from 130-160fps... Definitely well worth the upgrade for me.
Good deal or bust for $300? MSI Z370-A Pro Motherboard i7 8700k ASUS GTX 1060 6GB Turbo 16GB of Patriot Viper DDR4 RAM at 3000MHz Corsair H100i 240mm AIO cooler Kediers C570 open air case with 7 RGB fans. The PC came with no PSU or storage.
I upgraded to one of these earlier this year in an HP SFF PC. It definitely needed an upgrade for cooling, but with an RTX A2000, it's excellent for what I use it for.
There's something I have realized about this man he doesn't build PC showing off RGB lights, liquid cooler, luxury builds like some RUclipsrs 😮🤔 he does simple things.
Recently built a budget pc with used i7 8700 and a good old GTX1080. I can say these old parts can still make all games enjoyable at 1080p. Great gen still today!
My 8700k GTX1080 system was still beast before I got given a 1440p monitor last year and I lost too much performance :( 1080p is absolutely all you need a lot of the time anyways! :D
I always thought that if something I own is on your channel then I need to upgrade. Thankfully I already upgraded my 8700K around 6 months ago, but do please stay away from the 13700, its not its time yet.
That i7 is basically on par with the 3600, so it's obvious that it would be capable. I was a bit surprised at how close it was to the 12400 in Cyberpunk, but then I remembered that the 2080Ti hasn't been ultra top range for ages now, the i5 would pull ahead significantly if a stronger card were used.
@@silverwerewolf975 I own a Ryzen 5500 in my main rig which is on par with the 3600 as well, while my friend runs a stock 8700k. In games our rigs are pretty much neck and neck, same goes for synthetic benchmarks. Gotta agree to disagree with you on this one dude.
@@vladdyboy2612 Emm no, i have a 8600k at 5Ghz, 2 friends had (because the ryzens 3000 tend to fail) a 3600, i always got better frames. You can see benchs on the internet... The 8700k wipes the floor with the 3700x
@@silverwerewolf975 I can give you that the i7 is 5% faster on average, but it doesn't wipe the floor with anything past 2nd gen Ryzen. There's no point in arguing since I literally had indistinguishable experiences on both platforms and can confirm first hand that they're pretty evenly matched. I have no experience with the 8600k tho, but that chip might have worse 1% lows in some cpu demanding titles due to it being a pure 6 core without HT.
Oooh that blue LED transparent plastic case fan, such a classic. Instantly recognizable, too, even before the machine was turned on you could just tell it was going to have blue LEDs.
@@syhrl9693 I'm not sure, B450 used to be able to get for £45, now they are starting from 60ish, PSUs are so expensive, storage is the only thing that is cheap.
Just picked one up in the Dell Inspiron 5680. I'll catch some hate but I really like the looks of this machine (I know it's all just plastic junk, but I like it). Came with 32 gb ram, 1 tb HDD, and a 3gb 1060. For $150, I thought it's a steal. Changed out the stock cooler and added an nvme. Going to use the gimped 1060 in something else and throw in my 3080 when I'm ready to get that 50/60 series card. For now, it'll host my Valheim server.
Learned so much intricate details from this video thanks. Also it's time to avoid putting hard drives on the main system, from now on HDD's should be put on a separate usb dock, file server pc on a network (commercial/diy nas) or just dont plug em when not in use.
I've not long upgraded from an i5 8400 to an i7 8600 using an RTX 2060 and 16gb of ram. There is a noticeable difference when playing games. Especially online games with a high number of players like Battlefield 2042 and Warzone 2.
8600/9600 and 8700/9700 or even 9900 are also great upgrade options for skylake/kabylake users. A little bit of googling and some BIOS modding plus old-school cpu modding and one can get a really capable and cheap system. Running Z170 + 8600k myself without issue. I've started this system with z170 + i3-6100 in 2015, later bought 2nd hand 6600k and then 2nd hand 8600k. I don't really feel the need to upgrade, 8600k + 2060S still runs a lot of games at acceptable framerates. 1151 platform had great potential, pity Intel made it officially incompatible for commercial reasons.
Z170 users unite! Running 9900k on both of my systems running gigabyte z170x-gaming 5 and mugen ii coolers. Ram overclocked from 2400mhz to 3000mhz as well
I currently have the i7 8700 with ddr4 2400 256 SSD for the OS and 2 TB HDD with a GTX1060 and it's served me well for 6 years but it's begin being a bit weak for the newer titles and it will only get worse going forward but it is still a great build atm so it will be kept as a back up in another room and used for storing my emulator games on it but I just took the plunge and bought a brand new build from PC specialist an AMD 7800 CPU with all the bells and whistles a GIGABYTE B650M DS3H AM5 motherboard DDR5 5200 1TB SSD and a 2TB SSD 850PSU gold a tower cooler but i only got a RX6700 XT bit on the low end compared with the CPU but it gives me the potential for a big GPU upgrade in 4 or 5 years when the higher end GPUs are cheaper hopefully lol. But up till now it could handle pretty much all games out there at 1080p so definitely not a bad CPU to have
On the CPU temps with stock cooler, I've been using a Ryzen 5 3600 and have the same experience. I don't think it's anything to worry about as a gamer, as during even the most intense games it will max out at around 75 degrees, and the heat issues only occur when running all cores at 100% load for sustained periods. Been running it for around 2-3 years now and that still rings true.
I have a small stack of SFF Dell pc's I got from work that have the i5-8500, which is essentially this CPU minus hyperthreading. They still work great for many tasks. I have them setup mostly for transcoding ripped DVD's over the network.
Just retired my i7-8700K but I really didn't have to, as it still runs everything just fine in 2023. You're seeing some games now that say it doesn't meet even the minimum reqs but that's BS. It can still handle almost everything you throw at it.
I woke up early today to do my shopping. A neighbor put out a Dell XPS on their curb. I opened it up just to make sure nothing living was inside. Surprisingly clean with 2 sticks of memory and an SSD drive. It booted up into windows 10 and it has 16 gig of memory, 256 SSD and a i7 8700. Nothing wrong with it. I'm currently reloading it and I'm going to use it as an office pc.
I have a 9700k with a z390 mobo. Bought it as a package deal in 2020, not knowing that LGA 1151 was being phased out. Good to know I don't need to upgrade for a while.
Funny. I also have the i7 8700. Combined with a GTX 1080 Ti it still does well for 1440p 144Hz CS2 (that’s the only game I play). For general desktop usage it works brilliantly.
I'm currently using an I7 8700 processor, RX 5700 XT graphics card, 550W power supply, and GALAX B365M. Overall, I'm enjoying my setup, but I'm having some issues with my CPU overheating and reaching 80-100% usage. Even with a stack cooler, it seems like I need a better CPU cooler, but I'm not sure which one to choose or what the price range is.
The combination of clear side panel and that DVD Drive kinda explained to me why we see so many builds without optical drives nowdays... that said, I personally don't care about clear side panels and use DVD Drives quite a lot. I'm still impressed just how cheap Intel goes with stock coolers...
Nice! I run an 8700 with Rx 6600 in 2560x1080p. Works really really good for me. Z370 Board and BeBAR works after BIOS Update (ASUS Z370 Prime-P). I run it with vcore set to 1.2mV in BIOS and cool it with an Pure Rock 2 in push pull wih good Caseairflow. Never sees 70 under full load and mostly 60 in Games. I run overlays quite often, in every game at least and it looks like there is no CPU Bottleneck at all with my Budget (Not when i got it ... :D) RX6600. I would rather upgrade the GPU than the CPU at the Moment. But i won't i guess. Works well and i will stay on the Monitor until i get a bigger Card. No Need yet. Oh, and i feel like RAM Speed DOES Matter, if you have an Z Board. I run 2400 OCed to 2800, and the difference was quite there i have to say! I would like to test 3200, since it works, but i do not know about Stability. Also, i feel bad for investing in new DDR4 Ram, even if its cheap. I would go for 32GB, but still.
@@Tomazack Yes, thats 1080p Ultrawide. The small brother of 3440x1440 Ultrawide. Its 21:9. 29 inch from LG. It is the same hight as 16:9 24 inch, but wider. I use The 21:9 as Main and my 16:9 as secondary Monitor. Looks like one wide Monitor if you want. :D Tbh, this is THE perfect Monitorsize and Resolution for Ppl that want Ultrawide, but do not have the GPU Power to push 3440x1440 (34inch, same height as 27 inch 16:9). For my Desk (smaller side of life) it is perfect. and i still can push high fps while enjoying Ultrawide Gaming.
@@xingbairong I have to agree. I always wanted one. It is the only way to Play most Games for me. 16:9 feels like 4:3 after 21:9 :'( When first having an Ultrawide, gaming feels different, but not that different. But then switch back and you clearly feel and see it. Ultrawide fells so much better in almost all regards. If you are not interested in competitive shooter.
God damn, it took me until reading this comment to realise they did eventually push that ReBAR BIOS update, I always assumed it never hit the Prime Z370-P after Asus' initial response, combine that with the fact Nvidia's site suggests that you need a 30-series card to use it I just never bothered checking again. Thank you for pushing me to have a look! I don't know why I even trusted EZUpdate to be accurate
I've paired my I7-8700 with a 3060ti - although I do also have a noctua cooler which helps keep fan noise down. I'm able to play quite happily play most games at 1440p med - high settings at playable frame rates.
@RandomGaminginHD You can overclock it even if it's locked, albeit only slightly, BCLK to 102.4 or 102.5 will work, which will make 4.4ghz on all cores. Tried and tested, no voltage increase
I'm using a i5-11400H (On par with the 8700k from what I understand) laptop with a 3060 and it's quite a balanced pairing, games like CP2077 really make great use of all the CPU threads so it's quite smooth. It's still got more than decent grunt for most games these days, maybe not for 1440p Ultra but for 1080p High it's more than adequate. I can see an 8700k having two years of usage for "enthusiast" gamers that don't need to crank everything but still enjoy some quality visuals.
Nice to see effectively the same build upgrade route I went, tho' that was 4 years ago.. Z370, 8700k (but oc'd stable to 4.9 on a better asus maximus 8 mobo) with evga 2080ti xc... Last year I upgraded indeed to the i9-9900ks (at a steel.off fleabay) and a 1000w psu...and 32gig 3600ram... Runs everything I could wish for at 1440p (27" asus) Downside is now I'm stuck needing new mobo, cpu and gpu upgrade to at least a 3070 to gain higher 20 fps only and that's a lot of money for very little gain.. A few years to go yet till I replace everything bar the psu, case and cooling...
I upgraded from an 8400 to an 8700 a couple years ago. My 1% lows probably jumped around 20% and my average FPS went up about 10%. This was paired with a 3060ti. I figure i have about a year left before its tome for a completely new system.
dude, i am in the same case, right now im rocking the i5 8400, and currently researching if i am going to upgrade to i7 8700. now i am convince that it is the right choice . btw my gpu is gtx 1070ti
If you want to upgrade that CPU to an i9, maybe you could try getting one of these Chinese CPUs, which are laptop CPU soldered to a 1151 socket (BGA?). You must have a compatible motherboard, and the seller will send you the new BIOS. I got a QTJ1, which is basically an i9 from 9/10th gen, with 8 cores and 16 threads, clocked at 4.7, but with unlocked multiplier (got up to 5.1 but wasn't stable, so lowered it to 4.9). Also, note that you probably will have to run the RAM at 2800 or lower. Some people got golden chips with 5.2 and 3200MHz RAM.
I had the same board and an i5 8400. I got a 9700K to upgrade that CPU. Updated the bios but then realized the weak VRM would cause reboots every time the 9700K ran full tilt. Ended up spending on a Z390 Master. I know its stupid - but I really didn't want an unstable PC.
I remember having to save up for a 250GB SSD in 2014/15 roughly. Kept a preposterously low storage drive as a boot drive for the longest time to create an ideal replacement. I remember that SSD and HDD combo being extremely sensible at the time though it did cause streaming issues with textures as I had a 5400RPM hard drive though it is fun now to have all those games on an SSD and see them shine with much reduced loading times and texture issues practically eliminated.
Recased a thinkcentre and swapped in the 8700 with a 1070ti. 350 USD the only downside being no front io on the case. But im 3d printing a bracket for some front audio/usb in the 5.25 bay
My brother bought his prebuilt PC from FTSgaming around 2015-2016. It had an i7 4790, and 16 gigs of dual channel memory, which was nice, but it was on a cheap gigabyte micro-atx h81 board inside a midtower case.
I should probably add that the i7 also came with the stock cooler. I can't remember the PSU it originally came with, though, since it failed and had to be replaced a few years ago.
Today, I would suggest a 2TB NVME unless the budget is over like 1500 bucks then go with a budget 4TB or premium 2TB (such as Samsung 980 Pro - gen 5 isn't really needed, but can be considered if money is just falling out of ones pockets).
I remember last year I got the fujitsu d538 with a 8700 for £115 only from CeX. Now is a lovely tiny moonlight server for my steam deck with a Tesla P4 ❤ will gonna upgrade it to RTX A2000 if find a good deal. 🎉
Just not swap a down draft cooler on a cheap/bad mobo cause those VRM's on those boards often need that breeze of extra air to keep them at acceptable temperatures.
Can confirm, with SPC Spartan 3 pro I get about the same stable clocks as with copper-core 4th gen box cooler on H310m DVS. Though without tinkering it's even worse beacuse overheated VRM drops to 3.2 base clock while overheated CPU tries to keep as high as possible. In my case 4.1-4.2.
Something i noticed with starfield is the FSR implementation seems broken on NVIDIA cards (sample size of 1 rtx 3070) I switched over to CAS upscaling and it ran MUCH smoother.
I love the case. Especially the front panel being on the front. And even is a stylish manner. I want back cases like this. Instead we see the laziness of manufacturers by putting everything on the top to gather dust. Viva la 'Front panel (being on front)' revolution!
The best thing about an 8th gen build like this is that it allows the owner to move to Windows 11 in due time. And, couple that with a card that can Support FSR, XeSS or DLSS, and the owner is in for a treat.
Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 V2 PLUS twin fan cooler, should do the trick to cool things down if on a tight budget. Currently under 16 pounds on Amazon.
I have that Fractal PSU, used it for a good 10 years without issues; I only took it out of my system this year - when upgrading my GPU to a 6700XT and worried it might struggle a bit.
i have this MoBo i was running a 8600k and upgraded to an i9-9900kf..... if you go i9 make sure you manually set voltage or the vrms will cook. i didnt bother with 5ghz all core i left turbos stock but gave it 180w tdp and 1.325v on the core holds 4.7 in c23 for the whole test
i just purchased a i7 8700, an asus 370 itx board, 16GB DDR4 3200 and an sfx 650w modular psu and last but not least an alfacool 120 AIO watercooling which was empty for around 150€ in June. all worked fine, even the aio after refilling. but the former owner was a strong smoker so this stinks when hot ;D nevermind. this i7 is a good choice coupled with an decent GPU even in 2023 for good midrange gaming
Considering NVIDIA driver overhead, I’d love it if you could test with AMD cards instead when in a CPU limited scenario like this one. For older/weaker CPUs, it makes quite a difference.
With 38A in the 12V rail, that 500W Fractal PSU surely is able to handle the i7-8700 and the 2080ti no problem... ;) I'm seeing a lot of 8th-gen builds resurfacing for cheap, and they are still quite capable. Maybe the 8th-gen will replace the 4th-gen in the bang-for-buck second (or third) hand markets?
Yup, managed to upgrade to that i7 from the 8400 recently for free, good cpu but still getting hammered in Starfield. Very curious to see what the i9 can do?
Fractal design essence are ok budget units similar too Evga's entry level 500w power supplies & had a 2 year warranty launching in 2014, so its old but not unusable imo at least not for something like an I7 9700k, 16 gb ram & like a rtx 3060 12 gb.
I’m still using my ASUS tuf z390 pro gaming motherboard with a i7 9700k and a rtx 3060 is a great system for gaming and probably won’t be upgrading for another 5-6 years as long as everything continues to run smoothly
I still use my 8700k to game still it is overclocked to 5ghz all cores and it still holds up very well considering originally I paired it with a 2080ti and they were a match made in heaven at the time now it has a 4090 paired with it for triple 4K surround but soon I will swap the 2080ti back in and be using my 12700k with my 4090 for my surround sim rig
Hey! That's almost my exact build ^^ Have had an H310m-e r2.0, i5 9400, Rtx 3050 8gb, 16gb 2666mhz and a 500Gb nvme; for about 3 or 4 years now (Well, only got the Gppu quite recently, but still) One can probably get one for way cheaper nowadays than when I got this one, I almost feel scammed for paying near 600 dollars for the processor, motherboard, 8gb of ram and a 1tb HDD... Oh well, at least I did get my gpu for 250 dollars, that was nice for a new card. I use Arch btw /hjk
Having a PC with a DVD drive (and a bay in the cabinet) is always worth it for me. I have got dozens and dozens of games' DVDs that I can't use in my "modern" PC, because decent new cabinets don't support DVD drives.
Get a usb portable drive. Easy and cheap.
Yeah same I always miss it if I don’t have one
@@themorphman100already tried that. Bought 2 and both stopped working after a while. These Usb ones don't last really long.
Though I also have an old PC from 2012 which has the DVD drive and that one still works.
the fractal pop air has a 5.35" bay and is a good airflow case too, if youre looking for an option
@@RandomGaminginHDI call this a "forced" upgrade. So that people have to again buy digital versions of the games they already own on DVDs
I almost always enjoy every episode you produce. Like 95 percent of them. You Tube should give you more credit. You deserve it.
Thank you 😁
what is the 5 persent
That i7 8700 is still great. I like the simplicity of this build and the price you got it for was also awesome.
It really is a good deal. here in the U.S., the Dell Optiplex with i7 8700 is going for a minimum of $200
This man is very simple.😮
And supports windows 11 😊
I’ve been waiting ages for you to cover the 8700. I have this with a 2080 super. Thanks for the great video 👍
$170 for the whole PC is a great buy. Thanks for sharing. While the 12400f is faster it also still costs $130 to $150 new. That is close to the price of your (mostly) complete PC. Pair that 8700 with a Rtx 3060 a new tower cooler and you are set for the next few years (Maybe grab a solid 650W Psu).
a cheap Thermalright Assassin 120 SE would be perfect for it
3060...yeesh talk about a ripoff. There are cheaper cards at that performance level.
A 2080 or 2080 TI would go great with that CPU.
Recently built a used parts rig with an 8700, 2070, H310M, 16gb Corsair Vengeance RGB RAM, and 120mm aio in a brushed aluminium case for 800 NZD (about 400 GBP).
It goes hard! The 8700 is a great budget CPU in 2024 🙂👍
Big fan of your videos. I enjoy all the different combinations you put together and test. It’s always cool seeing what older hardware can do.
Thank you :)
watching a video from you is such a blessing! also i think the 8700 would go along with a 5700xt VERY well, especially if playing on 1440p (less cpu load usually)! also if you threoretically wanna upgrade to 9th gen, i'd say it'd be better to directly jump over the 9900k!
What is 2K? In the convoluted mix of either saying 4K or 2160p, 2K is technically one half of the 4K aspect ratio, 3840x2160. 1080p is 2K. 1440p is 2.5K etc..
@@Tomazack funny story, people actually call 1440p 2k, I had one hell of a brain aneurism trying to make sense of how the hell doubling the resolution of a 2k monitor gave 5k instead of 4k, but yeah long story short people round it down for some reason (maybe to say it faster) so he means 1440p
@@Tomazack 🤓☝
@@amadii8768 fixed the comment to 1440p to clear the misunderstanding. amazing explanation tho!
2.56k and 3.86k don't work too well for advertising to the average non techie.
Nice to see a video of a computer with an i7 8700! I still use one in my personal rig and performs still really good with an rx6700 (non-xt)!
Can't wait to see the i9 video. I've been using a 9900k for years now and its held up pretty good.
Very good purchase and lots of space for upgrades. Nice video overall, I'd appreciate Som longer content from you sometimes. Thanks mate.
got an 8700 for free in late 2021. put it together in Jan 22, added a 3080 12GB at some point and am very happy at 4k 60 fps highest quality in any game that I touch. Granted, Cyberpunk and Starfield are not among them. Forza 5 is though. I'll look into a repalcement when it starts choking and no earlier. What I like too is the comparably moderate power consumption.
I'm still using my i7 8700K I bought back in 2018. What a champ of a cpu!
still rocking a 8700k oc'd to 5.1GHz since 2019. paired with a 3080ti and playing on 5120x1440 it still runs like a dream! absolutely no stutters or hitching at all. no upgrade for me yet seeing the non-k variant holding up really well still.
nice video as always, you're doing a great job for the ever growing community 👍👍
And if u ever plan to upgrade the i9 9900k is still a very decent option
@@themightylordofgoblins6880 bro honestly avoid the i9 next would be good for a new am5 motherboard if u can stick still with it
@@nodudelikeme dude Im broke cant afford neither
@@themightylordofgoblins6880 lol i got an i7 4th sticking to it until i can buy an am5 saving for it i told u to save for it and wait even if it takes a year will be worth it honestly
@@nodudelikeme yea Im saving up aswell and thinking of getting a ryzen 5 7600/7500f lol
07:30 when you said adding RTX 2080 Ti, should've just using secondary PSU dedicated only for the GPU.
So dual PSU setup
I recently upgraded my 9600k to a 13600kf. I cap my fps to 165Hz and I didn't see much difference in fps (most games sit on the limit with either CPU & a 4070Ti) 1% lows are better though. I had an 8400 before the 9600k and its still going strong in a basic build. It was a great gaming CPU back in the day, Great video thanks.
Lol on what games? My 8600k oced at 5ghz is bottlenwckinf my 6800xt a lot
I did a 8700k to 13600kf recently
Went from 60-80fps in a server on FiveM I play on, To anywhere from 130-160fps... Definitely well worth the upgrade for me.
I have a i7-8700K with a GTX 1080 Ti and that pairing is still holding up very well.
I miss my Gigabyte Aorus 1080 Ti...
Iam running 8700k in my right with 3080ti strix and it bearly gets to 50% utilisation on my 34 inch acer predator x34 monitor.
nice little bonus at the end. TY. I'd like to see how it fairs with the 3060 ti vs the 12400.
Good deal or bust for $300?
MSI Z370-A Pro Motherboard
i7 8700k
ASUS GTX 1060 6GB Turbo
16GB of Patriot Viper DDR4 RAM at 3000MHz
Corsair H100i 240mm AIO cooler
Kediers C570 open air case with 7 RGB fans. The PC came with no PSU or storage.
Great video sir, that’s a solid build.
I will say I got a veetro V5 cpu cooler for $25 usd and it works great.
Always a good day when Random uploads new videos!
I upgraded to one of these earlier this year in an HP SFF PC. It definitely needed an upgrade for cooling, but with an RTX A2000, it's excellent for what I use it for.
Nice build :)
There's something I have realized about this man he doesn't build PC showing off RGB lights, liquid cooler, luxury builds like some RUclipsrs 😮🤔 he does simple things.
Recently built a budget pc with used i7 8700 and a good old GTX1080. I can say these old parts can still make all games enjoyable at 1080p. Great gen still today!
My 8700k GTX1080 system was still beast before I got given a 1440p monitor last year and I lost too much performance :( 1080p is absolutely all you need a lot of the time anyways! :D
the timing on this video is insane. I just ordered an i7-8700 to replace my i5-9400f so I get hyperthreading. Good to know how it holds up!
Nice upgrade, those threads should really help in games :)
I always thought that if something I own is on your channel then I need to upgrade. Thankfully I already upgraded my 8700K around 6 months ago, but do please stay away from the 13700, its not its time yet.
That i7 is basically on par with the 3600, so it's obvious that it would be capable.
I was a bit surprised at how close it was to the 12400 in Cyberpunk, but then I remembered that the 2080Ti hasn't been ultra top range for ages now, the i5 would pull ahead significantly if a stronger card were used.
No, is way better. The 8600k was on par and not really either because it was even better for gaming
@@silverwerewolf975
I own a Ryzen 5500 in my main rig which is on par with the 3600 as well, while my friend runs a stock 8700k. In games our rigs are pretty much neck and neck, same goes for synthetic benchmarks.
Gotta agree to disagree with you on this one dude.
@@silverwerewolf975 go check out old reviews, it was only 10% faster than a 3600 on average
@@vladdyboy2612 Emm no, i have a 8600k at 5Ghz, 2 friends had (because the ryzens 3000 tend to fail) a 3600, i always got better frames. You can see benchs on the internet...
The 8700k wipes the floor with the 3700x
@@silverwerewolf975 I can give you that the i7 is 5% faster on average, but it doesn't wipe the floor with anything past 2nd gen Ryzen. There's no point in arguing since I literally had indistinguishable experiences on both platforms and can confirm first hand that they're pretty evenly matched. I have no experience with the 8600k tho, but that chip might have worse 1% lows in some cpu demanding titles due to it being a pure 6 core without HT.
That's funny, a couple weeks ago I pulled an 8700k out of my rig and added an i9 9900kf. I couldn't afford a whole build and the i9 was about $340.
nice find! BEWARE THAT @5:07 you lost a screw! 😁😅🤣😂
good deal! looking forward to seeing your 9th gen CPU upgrade
Oooh that blue LED transparent plastic case fan, such a classic. Instantly recognizable, too, even before the machine was turned on you could just tell it was going to have blue LEDs.
We live in a good times. Plz start including power consumption stuff !
The Fractal PSU is fine. It's 80 Plus White rated, the rating below bronze. I had one running a RTX 3060 and Ryzen 3800X, no issues.
*Great buy, I have noticed prices of PC components are slowly starting to creep up*
Why?
@@syhrl9693 I'm not sure, B450 used to be able to get for £45, now they are starting from 60ish, PSUs are so expensive, storage is the only thing that is cheap.
@@AlexHusTech at my place, b450 itx only price just going high because its hard to find it around here
Just picked one up in the Dell Inspiron 5680. I'll catch some hate but I really like the looks of this machine (I know it's all just plastic junk, but I like it). Came with 32 gb ram, 1 tb HDD, and a 3gb 1060. For $150, I thought it's a steal. Changed out the stock cooler and added an nvme. Going to use the gimped 1060 in something else and throw in my 3080 when I'm ready to get that 50/60 series card. For now, it'll host my Valheim server.
Great video. Im doing an intel i5 8400 build myself.
My daily driver is still a 8700k at 5.1ghz with an rtx3080 paired with 4000mt/s ddr4. Still keeps the 3080 well fed in every game I try
Learned so much intricate details from this video thanks. Also it's time to avoid putting hard drives on the main system, from now on HDD's should be put on a separate usb dock, file server pc on a network (commercial/diy nas) or just dont plug em when not in use.
I've not long upgraded from an i5 8400 to an i7 8600 using an RTX 2060 and 16gb of ram. There is a noticeable difference when playing games. Especially online games with a high number of players like Battlefield 2042 and Warzone 2.
I did an i9 9900k upgrade on my gigabyte ga-z170x-gaming 5 (from 6700k) and it is great! I will use it for years to come 😊
8600/9600 and 8700/9700 or even 9900 are also great upgrade options for skylake/kabylake users. A little bit of googling and some BIOS modding plus old-school cpu modding and one can get a really capable and cheap system. Running Z170 + 8600k myself without issue. I've started this system with z170 + i3-6100 in 2015, later bought 2nd hand 6600k and then 2nd hand 8600k. I don't really feel the need to upgrade, 8600k + 2060S still runs a lot of games at acceptable framerates. 1151 platform had great potential, pity Intel made it officially incompatible for commercial reasons.
Z170 users unite! Running 9900k on both of my systems running gigabyte z170x-gaming 5 and mugen ii coolers. Ram overclocked from 2400mhz to 3000mhz as well
I currently have the i7 8700 with ddr4 2400 256 SSD for the OS and 2 TB HDD with a GTX1060 and it's served me well for 6 years but it's begin being a bit weak for the newer titles and it will only get worse going forward but it is still a great build atm so it will be kept as a back up in another room and used for storing my emulator games on it but I just took the plunge and bought a brand new build from PC specialist an AMD 7800 CPU with all the bells and whistles a GIGABYTE B650M DS3H AM5 motherboard DDR5 5200 1TB SSD and a 2TB SSD 850PSU gold a tower cooler but i only got a RX6700 XT bit on the low end compared with the CPU but it gives me the potential for a big GPU upgrade in 4 or 5 years when the higher end GPUs are cheaper hopefully lol. But up till now it could handle pretty much all games out there at 1080p so definitely not a bad CPU to have
I went 8700+1060 to 7800x3d+7900xtx. Hoping to get 10 years out of it. Got 6-8 from the 1060 also.
@@DanA-st2ed Nice must have cost a fair bit but ye should last a good while im jealous lol
@@Peter-je6td Just wait for the PCIE5 GPU's to drop and bag one with loads of RAM, that would have been the better play if I was patient.
😎good vids as always
On the CPU temps with stock cooler, I've been using a Ryzen 5 3600 and have the same experience. I don't think it's anything to worry about as a gamer, as during even the most intense games it will max out at around 75 degrees, and the heat issues only occur when running all cores at 100% load for sustained periods.
Been running it for around 2-3 years now and that still rings true.
I have a small stack of SFF Dell pc's I got from work that have the i5-8500, which is essentially this CPU minus hyperthreading. They still work great for many tasks. I have them setup mostly for transcoding ripped DVD's over the network.
Just retired my i7-8700K but I really didn't have to, as it still runs everything just fine in 2023. You're seeing some games now that say it doesn't meet even the minimum reqs but that's BS. It can still handle almost everything you throw at it.
I woke up early today to do my shopping. A neighbor put out a Dell XPS on their curb. I opened it up just to make sure nothing living was inside. Surprisingly clean with 2 sticks of memory and an SSD drive. It booted up into windows 10 and it has 16 gig of memory, 256 SSD and a i7 8700. Nothing wrong with it. I'm currently reloading it and I'm going to use it as an office pc.
I’ve used a fractal essence for about 7 years with a 1060 and i7 combo I would say it is pretty good even if it is a budget psu (not many exist)
What a steal 😂
Awessome video btw
I have a 9700k with a z390 mobo. Bought it as a package deal in 2020, not knowing that LGA 1151 was being phased out. Good to know I don't need to upgrade for a while.
Funny. I also have the i7 8700. Combined with a GTX 1080 Ti it still does well for 1440p 144Hz CS2 (that’s the only game I play). For general desktop usage it works brilliantly.
I'm currently using an I7 8700 processor, RX 5700 XT graphics card, 550W power supply, and GALAX B365M. Overall, I'm enjoying my setup, but I'm having some issues with my CPU overheating and reaching 80-100% usage. Even with a stack cooler, it seems like I need a better CPU cooler, but I'm not sure which one to choose or what the price range is.
Snowman cooler, Tech City Yes favorite 😁
The combination of clear side panel and that DVD Drive kinda explained to me why we see so many builds without optical drives nowdays... that said, I personally don't care about clear side panels and use DVD Drives quite a lot.
I'm still impressed just how cheap Intel goes with stock coolers...
Nice! I run an 8700 with Rx 6600 in 2560x1080p. Works really really good for me. Z370 Board and BeBAR works after BIOS Update (ASUS Z370 Prime-P). I run it with vcore set to 1.2mV in BIOS and cool it with an Pure Rock 2 in push pull wih good Caseairflow. Never sees 70 under full load and mostly 60 in Games. I run overlays quite often, in every game at least and it looks like there is no CPU Bottleneck at all with my Budget (Not when i got it ... :D) RX6600. I would rather upgrade the GPU than the CPU at the Moment. But i won't i guess. Works well and i will stay on the Monitor until i get a bigger Card. No Need yet.
Oh, and i feel like RAM Speed DOES Matter, if you have an Z Board. I run 2400 OCed to 2800, and the difference was quite there i have to say! I would like to test 3200, since it works, but i do not know about Stability. Also, i feel bad for investing in new DDR4 Ram, even if its cheap. I would go for 32GB, but still.
you sure that's 2560x1080? Must be a disgustingly cinematic aspect ratio.
@@Tomazack Yes, thats 1080p Ultrawide. The small brother of 3440x1440 Ultrawide. Its 21:9. 29 inch from LG. It is the same hight as 16:9 24 inch, but wider. I use The 21:9 as Main and my 16:9 as secondary Monitor. Looks like one wide Monitor if you want. :D
Tbh, this is THE perfect Monitorsize and Resolution for Ppl that want Ultrawide, but do not have the GPU Power to push 3440x1440 (34inch, same height as 27 inch 16:9). For my Desk (smaller side of life) it is perfect. and i still can push high fps while enjoying Ultrawide Gaming.
@@Tomazack ultrawide monitors are literally the best. Once you use ultrawide it's really hard to go back to standard monitors.
@@xingbairong I have to agree. I always wanted one. It is the only way to Play most Games for me. 16:9 feels like 4:3 after 21:9 :'( When first having an Ultrawide, gaming feels different, but not that different. But then switch back and you clearly feel and see it. Ultrawide fells so much better in almost all regards. If you are not interested in competitive shooter.
God damn, it took me until reading this comment to realise they did eventually push that ReBAR BIOS update, I always assumed it never hit the Prime Z370-P after Asus' initial response, combine that with the fact Nvidia's site suggests that you need a 30-series card to use it I just never bothered checking again. Thank you for pushing me to have a look! I don't know why I even trusted EZUpdate to be accurate
I've paired my I7-8700 with a 3060ti - although I do also have a noctua cooler which helps keep fan noise down. I'm able to play quite happily play most games at 1440p med - high settings at playable frame rates.
My brother is running a rtx 3090 with his 8700k OC to 5.1ghz all core it is still a beast and will not need to be replaced for another 4/5 years
Great value prebuilt!
I7 8700k and GTX1080 serving me for 6 years now. A lot of games still can run on Ultra settings in 1080p
@RandomGaminginHD You can overclock it even if it's locked, albeit only slightly, BCLK to 102.4 or 102.5 will work, which will make 4.4ghz on all cores. Tried and tested, no voltage increase
I run a I7-9700k and 6750. I play all my games at high settings (1440p) and on my 55 inch TV. It runs flawless.
I'm using a i5-11400H (On par with the 8700k from what I understand) laptop with a 3060 and it's quite a balanced pairing, games like CP2077 really make great use of all the CPU threads so it's quite smooth. It's still got more than decent grunt for most games these days, maybe not for 1440p Ultra but for 1080p High it's more than adequate. I can see an 8700k having two years of usage for "enthusiast" gamers that don't need to crank everything but still enjoy some quality visuals.
I have an 11400h and 3060 laptop too! Definitely is still really capable
Nice to see effectively the same build upgrade route I went, tho' that was 4 years ago..
Z370, 8700k (but oc'd stable to 4.9 on a better asus maximus 8 mobo) with evga 2080ti xc...
Last year I upgraded indeed to the i9-9900ks (at a steel.off fleabay) and a 1000w psu...and 32gig 3600ram...
Runs everything I could wish for at 1440p (27" asus)
Downside is now I'm stuck needing new mobo, cpu and gpu upgrade to at least a 3070 to gain higher 20 fps only and that's a lot of money for very little gain..
A few years to go yet till I replace everything bar the psu, case and cooling...
Those gigabyte boards support rebar, you can put an ARC card in there if you wanted.
Man, this pc would be perfectly matched with my RTX 2060!!!
Dont forget the 9600k! Great upgrade from the 8400.
I upgraded from an 8400 to an 8700 a couple years ago. My 1% lows probably jumped around 20% and my average FPS went up about 10%. This was paired with a 3060ti. I figure i have about a year left before its tome for a completely new system.
dude, i am in the same case, right now im rocking the i5 8400, and currently researching if i am going to upgrade to i7 8700. now i am convince that it is the right choice . btw my gpu is gtx 1070ti
If you want to upgrade that CPU to an i9, maybe you could try getting one of these Chinese CPUs, which are laptop CPU soldered to a 1151 socket (BGA?). You must have a compatible motherboard, and the seller will send you the new BIOS. I got a QTJ1, which is basically an i9 from 9/10th gen, with 8 cores and 16 threads, clocked at 4.7, but with unlocked multiplier (got up to 5.1 but wasn't stable, so lowered it to 4.9). Also, note that you probably will have to run the RAM at 2800 or lower. Some people got golden chips with 5.2 and 3200MHz RAM.
I had the same board and an i5 8400. I got a 9700K to upgrade that CPU. Updated the bios but then realized the weak VRM would cause reboots every time the 9700K ran full tilt. Ended up spending on a Z390 Master. I know its stupid - but I really didn't want an unstable PC.
I remember having to save up for a 250GB SSD in 2014/15 roughly. Kept a preposterously low storage drive as a boot drive for the longest time to create an ideal replacement. I remember that SSD and HDD combo being extremely sensible at the time though it did cause streaming issues with textures as I had a 5400RPM hard drive though it is fun now to have all those games on an SSD and see them shine with much reduced loading times and texture issues practically eliminated.
I just upgraded from my i7-8700k to a i9-12900k. i78700k was always a beast of a cpu
Recased a thinkcentre and swapped in the 8700 with a 1070ti. 350 USD the only downside being no front io on the case. But im 3d printing a bracket for some front audio/usb in the 5.25 bay
I used an 8400t in my TV PC.
Cost about $350 to build a year ago.
35w chip, main board with wifi, nvme SSD. Uses about 60watts full load.
My brother bought his prebuilt PC from FTSgaming around 2015-2016. It had an i7 4790, and 16 gigs of dual channel memory, which was nice, but it was on a cheap gigabyte micro-atx h81 board inside a midtower case.
I should probably add that the i7 also came with the stock cooler. I can't remember the PSU it originally came with, though, since it failed and had to be replaced a few years ago.
Today, I would suggest a 2TB NVME unless the budget is over like 1500 bucks then go with a budget 4TB or premium 2TB (such as Samsung 980 Pro - gen 5 isn't really needed, but can be considered if money is just falling out of ones pockets).
I remember last year I got the fujitsu d538 with a 8700 for £115 only from CeX. Now is a lovely tiny moonlight server for my steam deck with a Tesla P4 ❤ will gonna upgrade it to RTX A2000 if find a good deal. 🎉
Just not swap a down draft cooler on a cheap/bad mobo cause those VRM's on those boards often need that breeze of extra air to keep them at acceptable temperatures.
Can confirm, with SPC Spartan 3 pro I get about the same stable clocks as with copper-core 4th gen box cooler on H310m DVS. Though without tinkering it's even worse beacuse overheated VRM drops to 3.2 base clock while overheated CPU tries to keep as high as possible. In my case 4.1-4.2.
Something i noticed with starfield is the FSR implementation seems broken on NVIDIA cards (sample size of 1 rtx 3070) I switched over to CAS upscaling and it ran MUCH smoother.
Awesome deal for the price. Toronto would want $800 on the used market for this.. because it's a grub city. Horribly for used pc part/pc prices.
I love the case. Especially the front panel being on the front. And even is a stylish manner. I want back cases like this. Instead we see the laziness of manufacturers by putting everything on the top to gather dust. Viva la 'Front panel (being on front)' revolution!
The best thing about an 8th gen build like this is that it allows the owner to move to Windows 11 in due time. And, couple that with a card that can Support FSR, XeSS or DLSS, and the owner is in for a treat.
The 10400/10400F is essentially this exact processor but clocked 300 MHz lower, and released almost three years later.
Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 V2 PLUS twin fan cooler, should do the trick to cool things down if on a tight budget. Currently under 16 pounds on Amazon.
i have that exact same case, its a damn good case
I have that Fractal PSU, used it for a good 10 years without issues; I only took it out of my system this year - when upgrading my GPU to a 6700XT and worried it might struggle a bit.
Ah good to know it served you well :)
So this would actually run Windows 11 without any tweaks, right? Might be fun to compare benchmarks on the two OSes.
Since 2018 I have an i7 8700 bclk overclocked up to 4430mhz paired with 4000mhz memory. It's still good though!
I have an old build with that exact case design (but the side panel on mine is glass, not acrylic) and it is branded as a Tecware Edge...
i have this MoBo i was running a 8600k and upgraded to an i9-9900kf..... if you go i9 make sure you manually set voltage or the vrms will cook. i didnt bother with 5ghz all core i left turbos stock but gave it 180w tdp and 1.325v on the core holds 4.7 in c23 for the whole test
i just purchased a i7 8700, an asus 370 itx board, 16GB DDR4 3200 and an sfx 650w modular psu and last but not least an alfacool 120 AIO watercooling which was empty for around 150€ in June. all worked fine, even the aio after refilling. but the former owner was a strong smoker so this stinks when hot ;D
nevermind. this i7 is a good choice coupled with an decent GPU even in 2023 for good midrange gaming
Considering NVIDIA driver overhead, I’d love it if you could test with AMD cards instead when in a CPU limited scenario like this one. For older/weaker CPUs, it makes quite a difference.
That nvidia overhead only happens with high end graphics cards and even then barely. Hardly ever find a game that bottlenecks a 4090
@@xTurtleOW the driver overhead doesn't bottleneck the GPU. It bottlenecks low-end CPUs.
With 38A in the 12V rail, that 500W Fractal PSU surely is able to handle the i7-8700 and the 2080ti no problem... ;)
I'm seeing a lot of 8th-gen builds resurfacing for cheap, and they are still quite capable. Maybe the 8th-gen will replace the 4th-gen in the bang-for-buck second (or third) hand markets?
Yup, managed to upgrade to that i7 from the 8400 recently for free, good cpu but still getting hammered in Starfield. Very curious to see what the i9 can do?
Fractal design essence are ok budget units similar too Evga's entry level 500w power supplies & had a 2 year warranty launching in 2014, so its old but not unusable imo at least not for something like an I7 9700k, 16 gb ram & like a rtx 3060 12 gb.
Ah ok thanks for the info :)
I’m still using my ASUS tuf z390 pro gaming motherboard with a i7 9700k and a rtx 3060 is a great system for gaming and probably won’t be upgrading for another 5-6 years as long as everything continues to run smoothly
I still use my 8700k to game still it is overclocked to 5ghz all cores and it still holds up very well considering originally I paired it with a 2080ti and they were a match made in heaven at the time now it has a 4090 paired with it for triple 4K surround but soon I will swap the 2080ti back in and be using my 12700k with my 4090 for my surround sim rig
Still happy with my 8700 and 2060 super got the 8700 from a lenovo prebuilt
Same I have the motherboard and everything I chucked in a case off marketplace.
I still have a 9900k paired with a AMD 7900 XTX and it does work well BUT it is definitely holding the gpu back. Looking for a next gen cpu
Just play Starfield and CPU bottleneck would disappear 🤣
@@aleksazunjic9672I only play Hello kitty island adventure
Hey! That's almost my exact build ^^
Have had an H310m-e r2.0, i5 9400, Rtx 3050 8gb, 16gb 2666mhz and a 500Gb nvme; for about 3 or 4 years now (Well, only got the Gppu quite recently, but still)
One can probably get one for way cheaper nowadays than when I got this one, I almost feel scammed for paying near 600 dollars for the processor, motherboard, 8gb of ram and a 1tb HDD... Oh well, at least I did get my gpu for 250 dollars, that was nice for a new card.
I use Arch btw /hjk