You mention my two favorites for these great purposes. Rioja and Châteauneuf-du-Pape. Your tips are a Bible and I can’t thank you enough for giving so much to this great wine community that you have crate with your fabulous videos, John! Santé
Wine collecting is a constantly evolving hobby. I really enjoyed the update. You have an amazing wine collection in your cellar. I'd love to collect wines and this information is great guidance for me. Excellent points and thanks for the useful tips! Happy Collecting, John!
I love that tip about buying 3 or 6! I think buying small amounts every year allows us try different wines from different chateaus in Bordeaux which I love but can also be expensive e.g first growths. I’ve stuck to buying 3-6 bottles of some super seconds to enjoy in 20+ years time
@@AttorneySomm I agree and in a good vintage, I’m probably not going to open a bottle at least for 15-20 years and so by then, I would have amassed a huge collection
I’m about 6 years into the 1200 bottle cellar I built. I wish this channel existed back then. While I did get the tip to build a cellar larger than I needed, But over filled it with wines that sort of fell out of favor with my pallet. I made the mistake of buying by the case....I figured I had the space so why not. I like your tip to limit case purchases. I think it makes sense for Blue chip wines...or cellar defender wines that I can drink every night, but I wasn’t thinking that way earlier in my cellar development. Love to get your opinion on buying and selling wine at auction.
Thanks very much for your thoughtful feedback. Glad you enjoyed it. There are certainly reputable auction houses that sell wine of good provenance and I have had some success sourcing wines that way as have many friends. I have not sold wine at auction yet.
@@alastairgreen6783 did u really just correct the spelling on a comment from a year ago? You seriously need to get a life. And btw that’s incredibly pretentious. oh did i miss-spell pretentious?
This is an excellent video, John. Many practical advice from someone who has been collecting wines. l loved this tips, thank you for inspiring me. I hope you will have more successful presentations like these. Cheers John! 🍷🍷
Fantastic video. Wish everyone building a collection or cellar sees this. The 2018 vintage is gonna go down as one of the best ever. Ive already had a few 2018s and even in their youth there is so much potential. I'm definitely gonna stock up on 2018s for the next 12-24 months.
John, this video offers a wealth of information, and you cover every aspect of wine collection that includes many options. This is perfect for me as I am planning to convert my billiard room into a wine room. It’s mostly for personal use and I don’t intend to have an off-site location. I also appreciate the way you explain the pros and cons of everything. Being impulsive, the cellar defenders are a must for me, they would prevent me from opening a bottle that’s not ready to be consumed. I truly enjoy this segment and I can relate to every tips you shared with us. Everyone who is a Wine Enthusiast should watch this video! You did an outstanding job!! PS. I think you got a little carried away in your cellar😂! It’s not a bad thing. Cheers!
Informative, straight to the point and many exmaples! Thanks for the video. Though I'm not intending to invest on them, this video is still useful for me 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hey JJ! I have a challenge for you as part of your Wine Collecting 101. 12 bottles only. All from the same producer. Must include a Champagne/Sparkling, White, and a Red. If you need me to go first, I will, but I thought it would be interesting for your subscribers to find out how easily starting a wine cellar can be. Cheers!
@@AttorneySomm My example comes from a winery in New Zealand. Cloudy Bay make a sparkling Pelorus, a Chardonnay and a Pinot Noir. In mine and several other oenophile's opinions, all three are cellar worthy.
any advice on how to source / buy 2nd hand the empty OWC? I used to buy bottles and never bother asking for the owc, but now I regret it; as bottles start to add up, and will be nice to have a few of their original OWC to make as a set.
You might try posting about your interest on wine message boards such as Wine Berserkers. Many people save their old OWCs and might be willing to sell them.
Agree with the recommendation of Pegau and Janasse ( particularly the Chaupin ) disagree with the Beaucastel recommendation. In the wine business since 1990 and I have tried and experienced so so so many corked bottles of Beaucastel that it's difficult to suggest cellaring it. Absolutely think Cellartracker is worth it. Also many good 2016 Brunellos.
2008 Champagne is what I loaded up ( glad I did as it's sold out in my area). Tasting is hard now with pandemic restrictions so I'd focus on the entry labels to get an idea on how the vintage is like.
I know what it's like to buy too much of one or two things. Too much Bordeaux, especially from 2003-09 vintages, and too much Barolo from same era. I need to buy a wider variety of wines such as Loire, Alsace, Chianti, Mosel and draw down my collection as my drinking window (i.e., my lifespan) is likely twenty years. This is an issue for all of us seniors.
Thanks for weighing in! There are some excellent values in Loire, Alsace, Chianti and Mosel and also Sone wines that don’t require as much extra bottle age. Sounds like a terrific approach!
What will be the score to be considered as top vintage? 95 and up, or must have one of two 100s from the expert reviews, for investment collections, those scores are still most important, right?
Scores can certainly be useful, but are not necessary most important. For example, with Burgundy 100 point scores are rare and producer is most important. Also be wary of Suckling scores as he has lots more high scores and dozens of 100 pointers each year. But certainly for Bordeaux if RP and JD give 99-100 point scores, that is a very promising wine.
I am collecting wines to age, not for decades, but more like 8 - 10 years. Right now i have my wine fridge set to 14 gr. Celcius, do you think that it’s better to set it to 12 or 13 gr. Celcius? Thanks for the video! Gr
Thanks for watching! Perfect temperature for storage is 55 F, so 13 C is probably slightly better. 14 should be fine too, though. You’re well within range at that temperature.
@@AttorneySomm Thank you for your quick response, how long does it take to bring the bottle to drinking temperature? 24 hours? I read several things about this. I think its called chambre.
@@rb1084 For reds maybe 30 minutes. 55 is pretty close to serving temp for those so it’s usually ready quickly. For whites I’ll chill them for 5-15 min in ice or out in the fridge 30 min before.
i had a problem with my wine fridge this week, for some reason the temperature had dropped to 9 degrees for a week... so 48 fahrenheit... normally i have the wine at 55 (13 degrees).. Is that 9 degrees something to worry about? what happens to the wine at this somewhat cold temperature? Or is this temperature no problem, i believe that 10 degrees celcius is officialy still ideal so maybe nothing to worry about, the temp got very slowely back to the set 13 degrees (in 24-36 hours)
I just saw this video and love those goals! Do you tend to buy wines every vintage regardless of how good/bad the vintage is or do you completely avoid bad vintages like 91’ or 92’ Bordeaux? Thanks for your insight
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed it. I typically skip off vintages except for a bottle or two here and there. Here is a video I did explaining why I generally avoid collecting consecutive verticals that include off vintages. ruclips.net/video/SJNauvwsLT8/видео.html
Thanks for your very interesting and useful video. I use Cellartracker as well to manage my cellar and read tasting note. May I ask what´s your nick on CT so I can read your reviews ?
Very glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind feedback. On CT my handle is 84Petrus. Unfortunately I haven’t done many reviews there and nothing for 6-7 years. Should get back to it but IG, Twitter and RUclips take up a lot of time these days. My best tasting notes these days are on IG. Cheers! 👍🍷
Story of my life. My home cellars when I build it was too big but now completely full and have to build two extra custom cabinet holding 2000 more bottles.
Thanks for the question. That will vary a bit by person. It depends on your budget, how many bottles you can cellar in climate controlled conditions and whether you want to age them for a number of years. 50 may be enough to start if you are focusing on just 1-2 regions. But if you enjoy wine from a number of areas, 100 may be a better approach. Cheers!
@@malthus101 I found that even 12 of one bottle got to be too much. Especially if you buy that producer every year and it needs to age 8-10 years first, you could have 120 bottles from one producer before you enjoy 1 of them.
It’s amazing how In wine; collecting for investing purposes is completely normal, same within scotch. But within bourbon everyone freaks out and gets all mad
@@AttorneySomm it’s very strange. You might get your hands on a bottle of the bourbon equivalent of a first growth Bordeaux, and if you post a picture of it on Instagram within a bourbon community, more than half the comments will be people making criticisms for not opening the bottle immediately as soon as you get it. Very strange
You mention my two favorites for these great purposes. Rioja and Châteauneuf-du-Pape. Your tips are a Bible and I can’t thank you enough for giving so much to this great wine community that you have crate with your fabulous videos, John! Santé
So glad to hear that, Gabriela! Yes, these wines are excellent cellar defenders! Glad you enjoy them too. Appreciate your thoughtful feedback! Santé!
Wine collecting is a constantly evolving hobby. I really enjoyed the update. You have an amazing wine collection in your cellar. I'd love to collect wines and this information is great guidance for me. Excellent points and thanks for the useful tips! Happy Collecting, John!
Thanks so much, Joy! I have learned a lot over the years and wanted to share it with everyone so they could learn from my experience!
I love that tip about buying 3 or 6!
I think buying small amounts every year allows us try different wines from different chateaus in Bordeaux which I love but can also be expensive e.g first growths.
I’ve stuck to buying 3-6 bottles of some super seconds to enjoy in 20+ years time
Thank you! It takes so long to work through a case. 3 or 6 works so well! Cheers!
@@AttorneySomm I agree and in a good vintage, I’m probably not going to open a bottle at least for 15-20 years and so by then, I would have amassed a huge collection
I’m about 6 years into the 1200 bottle cellar I built. I wish this channel existed back then. While I did get the tip to build a cellar larger than I needed, But over filled it with wines that sort of fell out of favor with my pallet. I made the mistake of buying by the case....I figured I had the space so why not. I like your tip to limit case purchases. I think it makes sense for Blue chip wines...or cellar defender wines that I can drink every night, but I wasn’t thinking that way earlier in my cellar development. Love to get your opinion on buying and selling wine at auction.
Thanks very much for your thoughtful feedback. Glad you enjoyed it. There are certainly reputable auction houses that sell wine of good provenance and I have had some success sourcing wines that way as have many friends. I have not sold wine at auction yet.
palate, not pallet.
overfilled
@@alastairgreen6783 did u really just correct the spelling on a comment from a year ago? You seriously need to get a life. And btw that’s incredibly pretentious. oh did i miss-spell pretentious?
Great video! I'm so disorganized with my collection. This was a helpful guide.
This is an excellent video, John. Many practical advice from someone who has been collecting wines. l loved this tips, thank you for inspiring me. I hope you will have more successful presentations like these. Cheers John! 🍷🍷
Thanks, Joy! Very much appreciate all your kind support! 🍷🍷
Fantastic video. Wish everyone building a collection or cellar sees this. The 2018 vintage is gonna go down as one of the best ever. Ive already had a few 2018s and even in their youth there is so much potential. I'm definitely gonna stock up on 2018s for the next 12-24 months.
Thanks very much! Truly appreciate the kind feedback. You are right about 2018! An epic vintage in a number of collectible regions. 👍🍷
John, this video offers a wealth of information, and you cover every aspect of wine collection that includes many options. This is perfect for me as I am planning to convert my billiard room into a wine room. It’s mostly for personal use and I don’t intend to have an off-site location. I also appreciate the way you explain the pros and cons of everything. Being impulsive, the cellar defenders are a must for me, they would prevent me from opening a bottle that’s not ready to be consumed. I truly enjoy this segment and I can relate to every tips you shared with us. Everyone who is a Wine Enthusiast should watch this video! You did an outstanding job!! PS. I think you got a little carried away in your cellar😂! It’s not a bad thing. Cheers!
Thanks so much for the thoughtful feedback, Gina! Glad it was useful! I do not disagree I got carried away! 😀
I have been watching videos like this try and learn more, and this is one of the best that I've seen.
Excellent! Thank you. So glad it was useful. Cheers! 👍🍷
Excellent. Thank you! Well explained.
Thanks very much for watching and the kind feedback! Cheers!
Great information Attorney Somm! Cheers! 🍷
Thanks so much! Glad it was useful! Cheers! 👍🍷
Informative, straight to the point and many exmaples! Thanks for the video. Though I'm not intending to invest on them, this video is still useful for me 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks very much! Very glad to hear it was useful. Appreciate the feedback. Cheers! 👍🍷
Hey JJ! I have a challenge for you as part of your Wine Collecting 101. 12 bottles only. All from the same producer. Must include a Champagne/Sparkling, White, and a Red. If you need me to go first, I will, but I thought it would be interesting for your subscribers to find out how easily starting a wine cellar can be. Cheers!
Thanks, Craig! An interesting idea! But is there one too producer who makes sparkling white and red? Seems like that restriction is quite limiting.
@@AttorneySomm My example comes from a winery in New Zealand. Cloudy Bay make a sparkling Pelorus, a Chardonnay and a Pinot Noir. In mine and several other oenophile's opinions, all three are cellar worthy.
@@craigmetcalfe1749 Got it. Thank you!
Very informative video, thank you.
Will certainly keep on watching.
Excellent! Thank you! So glad it was useful! Cheers! 👍🍷
Great video! Some very interesting points that have some really neat insight
Truly appreciate it! Thank you!
This is a fantastic video, thank you for this wealth of information!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it! 👍🍷
any advice on how to source / buy 2nd hand the empty OWC? I used to buy bottles and never bother asking for the owc, but now I regret it; as bottles start to add up, and will be nice to have a few of their original OWC to make as a set.
You might try posting about your interest on wine message boards such as Wine Berserkers. Many people save their old OWCs and might be willing to sell them.
@@AttorneySomm thank you !
Agree with the recommendation of Pegau and Janasse ( particularly the Chaupin ) disagree with the Beaucastel recommendation. In the wine business since 1990 and I have tried and experienced so so so many corked bottles of Beaucastel that it's difficult to suggest cellaring it. Absolutely think Cellartracker is worth it. Also many good 2016 Brunellos.
Thanks for weighing in!
Thanks John, great video as always. Appreciate the tips and great info!
My pleasure! Thanks very much! And thanks for watching! 👍🍷
I didn’t even know there was such a thing as cellar management software. Interesting!!
Thank you! Yes, it is very helpful!
Wow! That was such a great video for new people like me just starting their collection. I'm going to watch it again. Lol
Thanks very much! Very glad it was useful! 👍🍷
2008 Champagne is what I loaded up ( glad I did as it's sold out in my area). Tasting is hard now with pandemic restrictions so I'd focus on the entry labels to get an idea on how the vintage is like.
That was an excellent decision! 2008 is a fantastic vintage for Champagne. Also a good idea to try the entry wines first. Cheers! 👍🍾
@@AttorneySomm it took some time for people to realize how amazing the 2008 🍾 were. By the time they did, most of the good ones were gone.
Excellent video, thanks for sharing! Know from whisky that keeping to a budget is key! Cheers for the tips! Just started my cellaring process.
Thanks so much! Very glad you enjoyed it! Good luck with your cellar! Such a rewarding experience to open a well-aged bottle. Cheers! 👍🍷
@@AttorneySomm yeah, I was blown away by some of my dad’s cellared Aussie reds, so had to start myself! Subscribed, look forward to your next video
@@NZAnimeManga Thanks very much!
This video is very great and interesting. Thank you very much for all these terrific information!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it!
I know what it's like to buy too much of one or two things. Too much Bordeaux, especially from 2003-09 vintages, and too much Barolo from same era. I need to buy a wider variety of wines such as Loire, Alsace, Chianti, Mosel and draw down my collection as my drinking window (i.e., my lifespan) is likely twenty years. This is an issue for all of us seniors.
Thanks for weighing in! There are some excellent values in Loire, Alsace, Chianti and Mosel and also Sone wines that don’t require as much extra bottle age. Sounds like a terrific approach!
What will be the score to be considered as top vintage? 95 and up, or must have one of two 100s from the expert reviews, for investment collections, those scores are still most important, right?
Scores can certainly be useful, but are not necessary most important. For example, with Burgundy 100 point scores are rare and producer is most important. Also be wary of Suckling scores as he has lots more high scores and dozens of 100 pointers each year. But certainly for Bordeaux if RP and JD give 99-100 point scores, that is a very promising wine.
Top producers from top vintages is definitely important.
What sites do you recommend for the "flash sales" you keep mentioning?
Last Bottle is terrific. And B-21 is an excellent site for everyday low prices on many of these wines.
love the video. i'm starting to start a collection too
Thanks very much! Glad it was helpful. Cheers!
I am collecting wines to age, not for decades, but more like 8 - 10 years.
Right now i have my wine fridge set to 14 gr. Celcius, do you think that it’s better to set it to 12 or 13 gr. Celcius?
Thanks for the video!
Gr
Thanks for watching! Perfect temperature for storage is 55 F, so 13 C is probably slightly better. 14 should be fine too, though. You’re well within range at that temperature.
@@AttorneySomm Thank you for your quick response, how long does it take to bring the bottle to drinking temperature? 24 hours? I read several things about this. I think its called chambre.
@@rb1084 For reds maybe 30 minutes. 55 is pretty close to serving temp for those so it’s usually ready quickly. For whites I’ll chill them for 5-15 min in ice or out in the fridge 30 min before.
i had a problem with my wine fridge this week, for some reason the temperature had dropped to 9 degrees for a week... so 48 fahrenheit... normally i have the wine at 55 (13 degrees)..
Is that 9 degrees something to worry about? what happens to the wine at this somewhat cold temperature? Or is this temperature no problem, i believe that 10 degrees celcius is officialy still ideal so maybe nothing to worry about, the temp got very slowely back to the set 13 degrees (in 24-36 hours)
I’m getting started. What are some good wines under $100 for long term holding?
Hello. This video I did last week has several such wines.
ruclips.net/video/2RU9i9Iz-G0/видео.html
@@AttorneySomm thanks I didn’t see it!
@@Roger-il8iw Some of my favorites in there! Hope you enjoy them too! 👍🍷
I just saw this video and love those goals! Do you tend to buy wines every vintage regardless of how good/bad the vintage is or do you completely avoid bad vintages like 91’ or 92’ Bordeaux? Thanks for your insight
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed it. I typically skip off vintages except for a bottle or two here and there. Here is a video I did explaining why I generally avoid collecting consecutive verticals that include off vintages. ruclips.net/video/SJNauvwsLT8/видео.html
@@AttorneySomm awesome! Thank you again for your insight into wine collecting! Looking forward to your next video!
@@justinlow1990 Thanks very much! I'm continuing with the First Growth Bordeaux focus - Mouton is next! Cheers!
Thanks for your video. Can you suggest any wine flash sites you trust?
Hello. Thanks for watching! Yes, I use Last Bottle / First Bottle and have had favorable experiences for years with those sites.
ruclips.net/video/3wQ6Bbu-RhM/видео.html
Just did a shorts video about a flash site.
Thanks for your very interesting and useful video. I use Cellartracker as well to manage my cellar and read tasting note. May I ask what´s your nick on CT so I can read your reviews ?
Very glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind feedback. On CT my handle is 84Petrus. Unfortunately I haven’t done many reviews there and nothing for 6-7 years. Should get back to it but IG, Twitter and RUclips take up a lot of time these days. My best tasting notes these days are on IG. Cheers! 👍🍷
Story of my life. My home cellars when I build it was too big but now completely full and have to build two extra custom cabinet holding 2000 more bottles.
A constant battle here as well.
@@AttorneySomm
What is appropriate aging time for Hermitage? I absolutely love them!
@@sanjaypatelmd4669 Many of them benefit from at least 15-20 years. Very age worthy wines. Lots of structure young.
@@AttorneySomm
I found about them in 2016. Oldest vintage I have is 2016. Will have to wait long time...
@@sanjaypatelmd4669 I would try to wait at least another 5 years. If you open one, it will need several hours of air and a meal to go with it.
Very nice pic super congratulations 🌟🎉👍🙏👍🌟❣️🎉👏🌟
Thank you kindly! Cheers!
How many different wines should you aim to have? 100? 50?
Thanks for the question. That will vary a bit by person. It depends on your budget, how many bottles you can cellar in climate controlled conditions and whether you want to age them for a number of years. 50 may be enough to start if you are focusing on just 1-2 regions. But if you enjoy wine from a number of areas, 100 may be a better approach. Cheers!
@@AttorneySomm btw, I meant 50 different wines, not 50 bottles! (not sure if that was clear or not)
@@malthus101 Yes, I interpreted it that way. As mentioned in the video, I rarely get more than 3 of any specific bottle. I get 12 very rarely.
@@AttorneySomm that's very interesting - I was imagining people would buy between 12-48 bottles per wine! (For a large cellar of course)
@@malthus101 I found that even 12 of one bottle got to be too much. Especially if you buy that producer every year and it needs to age 8-10 years first, you could have 120 bottles from one producer before you enjoy 1 of them.
Very nice pic super congratulations 🌟🎉👍🙏👍🌟❣️🎉👏🌟 good
Thank you! Very much appreciated!
I do not enjoy aged Sauterns. I love aged Champagne and red wines, port etc. However Sauterns is the one I don't like after about 10 years bottle age.
Thanks for watching and weighing in! Cheers!
If I make my wine cellar twice as big as my wife's shoe closet will that be enough?😂
Ha! That sounds about right! 😂
It’s amazing how In wine; collecting for investing purposes is completely normal, same within scotch. But within bourbon everyone freaks out and gets all mad
I’m not as familiar with that, but it is definitely very common in wine.
@@AttorneySomm it’s very strange. You might get your hands on a bottle of the bourbon equivalent of a first growth Bordeaux, and if you post a picture of it on Instagram within a bourbon community, more than half the comments will be people making criticisms for not opening the bottle immediately as soon as you get it. Very strange
@@thomasmichael6509 That is odd! That would be a fun experiment.
My problem with collecting wine is that my collection keeps disappearing!
Definitely a moving target! An abundant supply of cellar defenders helps!
🥂🥂🥂
Cheers!