Mover is right though about the drones, but Physics did not leave the chat entirely... some physicists (Reel Physics E01) did the calculations and showed that mathematically it was plausible that they would have survived the falling tank. They even discovered that in real life the tanks came fully loaded and ready to fight, including the reality of the types of parachutes used to carry the tank's weight.
Funnily enough that scene is highly possible to pull off based on experts who reviewed it and took into account all the factors present in the movie and attributed it to real life. So that shit is actually possible, which is even crazier when you think about kt
It's senseless to try and critique an A-Team movie for realism, but man I'm cracking up every time you say "Yeah, they're dead." hahahaha So I totally appreciate this movie ruining. ❤
4:01 "there are no Raptors sitting alert just waiting" It's the A-Team, they're obviously gonna have Raptors sitting alert just waiting if it's the A-Team
If you watch the whole movie, for the ALFA--MIKE--FOXTROT scene, the Raptors were pre positioned at the border as part of this BS operation. Pure entertainment and a fun way to start the movie.
The scene is very good at its job of introducing a movie which doesn't and won't take itself seriously. Realism is just not a priority. It's not remotely the point of the movie.
I remember reading a story some years ago where a Hercules did in fact do ONE barrel roll - survived that and landed, but then was immediately written off due to the G load.
"Why drones?!" Because they have no human pilots in them. They eventually shoot and destroy both and, in the best A-Team fashion, the team doesn't 'kill' any human pilot. Remember in the TV show nobody ever died, and in this movie, even in the mayhem at the very end (which is even more ridiculous), if I remember correctly only Pike was killed by a member of the team. It was a silly movie, like the TV show, but a fun one and probably one of the better remake/revival of old 80's TV shows.
6:40: According to Air Force Magazine, an MQ-1 Predator armed with the AIM-92 Stinger missile engaged in a dogfight with an Iraqi Air Force MiG-25 on 12/23/2002. The Predator fired at the MiG-25, and the MiG-25 fired at the Predator, which was shot down. In addition, the U.S. Air Force announced in 3/2018 that it would arm the MQ-9 Reaper (which replaced the Predator) with the AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.
At the beginning, just wanted to mention I never really thought they were trying to imply that the instant they crossed the border an F-22 just happened to be seconds away. I think Hannibal really had it planned out, and either contacted the airbase while they were still some minutes out, or maybe even well in advance of the mission it was known that he might be returning with someone on his tail.
That was filmed at Canadian Forces Base Cold Lake, I was on duty the couple of days they filmed it. not a bad job on the CGI canopies and rebadging of the Hornets to US liveries. BUT... if you look close you can see the false canopies painted on the underside that Canadian CF-18s have still. I may also be in the FAR background of a few shots. hehe.
In fairness to the movie, the Raptor was prepositioned at the border as a part of the plan. I think they refer to a 'pizza run' or something of the sort, and as they approach the border he calls for 'Hatchet' to lock onto his LZ.
In fairness, it is based on a TV series that was like a live action Looney Tunes cartoon. I lost count how many cars I saw all shot up and doing cartwheels, only for the occupants getting out unscratched. "You okay Jim?" "Yeah, I'm okay!"
The reason for the drones was because they didn't want to portray the A team shooting and in combat with American armed forces, IE shooting down a Jet.
this is always my favorite segment you do on your channel ruins movies! you break it down with the knowledge that is correct and put humor and make it entertaining
0:58 **A-team van gets pancaked by an AC Unit** Baracus: *AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! YOU PANCAKED MY VAN, IMMA KILL YOU FOOL!!!* Murdoch: Y- you can't park there, it's a *Handicapped Zone!* Funniest A-Team bit ever. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Additional fun fact. The Mercedes GW reversing away from the AC-130 might as well have been stationary. The GW reverse gear is speed limited to less than 20 mph.
@@theconvictedquokka so, shouldn’t be a Marine base, then! 😀 Makes flying armed drones shooting at something even worse! They shouldn’t be able to keep up with the Hercules either!
I assumed they used drones because it is the safest way for the movie makers to have the heroes stop their pursuers without them killing fellow allies. They can't have the heroes kill American Airforce/Marine/Army pilots who were just chasing some guys who just stole a military plane. They're trying to clear their names so killing fellow allies along the way will not help their case. Had the A-Team stole a Russian plane from a Russian base then we would certainly see them being chased by Su-35s instead. In the intro they were chased by irredeemably evil bad guys so it's fine to see them killed off in a way the audience can laugh at their deaths.
Ignoring the fact that one was seemingly just loitering around the area to shoot down errant helicopters, are there even any Raptors based in Arizona? The only western US-based squadrons I know of are at Edwards in CA and Nellis in NV. I love the "Oh Shit" look in the guy's face when Hannibal tells him they're in US airspace, though. That alone just makes the whole sequence for me.
i watched it in theatres and it was just big dumb entertainment with a bit of nostalgia. much like the expendables. you leave your brain at the door for movies like these.
Mover I don't know if you'll see this and I know it's probably going to be hell to get working (in terms of DMCA, resisting the urge to punch the screen etc) but if you could ruin History Channels Dogfights that would make my whole month; that show was my childhood
You left out the best part, when they start the C-130. Definitely not startup for an H model. I believe he dumped the fuel. Trying to find the full clip. lol
"They're all dead now." The A-Team original TV-series in a nutshell. If any of the 'bad guys' had ever taken the time to aim, they would never have survived the first series. *Re: all around 360 degrees radar on every plane* I was very disappointed when I first saw the movie "Top Gun" in the theatre in the 1980s. "I can't see him!"WHAT
Did you enjoy ruining it? Because for me that was ridiculously fun to watch! "They are trying to fly a tank" "but tanks can't fly!" is pure comedy at it's peak.
Funny thing is, if memory serves some sciency pair of dudes went over the flying a tank scene, and deemed that while an awful lot of stuff would have to go right, its technically not an actual full on impossibility to survive.
7:43 -the reason for drones is because the movie showed big plane breaking the top of smaller planes as it's going down the runway, making them unusable, so the quickest thing they had, that could lift off immediately were apparently drones. That way we can watch an air battle without good guys killing other good guys.
I can answer the ripple fire question - because for some reason they are using outdated Vietnam era or earlier heat seekers. In the 70's and earlier there were still some issues with missiles not tracking right or just straight up leaving the pylon and never having the motors fire and just fell to earth, so there were times pilots would ripple fire just cause ideally one of the 2 would work in the middle of that fight and hit the target.
I always thought this movie felt more like it was trying to be like the newer fast and the furious movies more than replicate the A team.. but it was silly fun at the time it came out
I've never watched this movie all the way through, saw these scenes and turned it off, way to ridiculous, I know it's a silly film but way to out there for me. Love these mover ruins movies and all the helicopter/car vlogs dude.
Firing the shell does slow the tank down, but only very slightly. I did some calculations and a 60000kg tank firing a shell with 9.8MJ muzzle energy and muzzle velocity of 1640m/s will be propelled backwards by 0.2m/s by the momentum of the shell alone. This does not include recoil from expelled gases, but even if total recoil momentum is 5 times the shell momentum, that will propel the tank by 1m/s. Not much.
@@salkasalka I mean, We're talking about a 60t-ish tank and a 7kg-ish shell. You don't have much hope to seriously propel something by ejecting a projectile that is several thousand times lighter, unless you accelerate it to relativistic speeds.
The Navy base is actually CFB Cold Lake in Alberta, Canada. Thats why you see the Hornets there. And if you look closely, you can see the false canopy markings underneath.
They are in german airspace in the second scene. So it would be probably Typhoon/Eurofighters that would appear instead of drones, since those are the ones on standby here. Looks like they made it to the alps, so maybe its Switzerland or Austria already, so thisstunt would probably cause an international air alert too? Europe and especially germany is very dense populated and a lot of airtraffic going on in a small area, so this thing would probably result in utter chaos. Oh, besides ...no Dynamte fishing here, that fisherman would go straight to jail.
Off the top of my head, cant recall all that many aviation related scenes to be ruined, though? Except the obvious flying a helicopter behind a train in a tunnel scene. Oh, and M:I 3 had jets blowing out a bridge IIRC
MQ-9's are being tested with A2A Stingers and can technically carry AIM-9X's. Apparently, the MBDA fitted/fired a Brimstone missile from one for the RAF as well. Possible, but not likely.
@@willw8011 Yeah, I don't think a turboprop aircraft has any chance against a jet aircraft unless it's able to track/fire BVR missiles. Not what this specific platform was designed for. Now, you start getting into jet-powered platforms like the RQ-170 or RQ-180, might be a different story there if they can incorporate an internal weapons bay to maintain stealth signature.
At the airforce base, there's not nearly enough runway for Murdock to get the C130 up to takeoff speed, and all the fighter jets that he's smashing with the wings would obviously slow you down if not start a fire - you certainly wouldn't be of any kind of speed to takeoff!
“Are any of you armed and or wanted federal fugitives?” “Because we’re both.” LOL
That is my favorite line from the movie
You have to throw reality out the window to watch this movie. It was a funny, nostalgic, action movie, and that's about all you say about it.
The old A-Team was more realistic lol.
It’s the expendables before the expendables lol
I agree, it's just soo stupid and that's why I love it
@@anthonykearney608 Yep, mindless fun.
and then go outside and stomp on it.
"Physics has left the chat."
Indeed.
Mover is right though about the drones, but Physics did not leave the chat entirely... some physicists (Reel Physics E01) did the calculations and showed that mathematically it was plausible that they would have survived the falling tank. They even discovered that in real life the tanks came fully loaded and ready to fight, including the reality of the types of parachutes used to carry the tank's weight.
"So they're all dead. End of Mover Ruins Movies." LOL. This is probably the funniest one you've done yet.
You can't ruin The A Team, nobody expected it to be anything remotely resembling realistic in the first place.
Mover has never done a 4g inverted dive in a Buford tank. Gonky tried it once but he immediately called “no joy” and swiftly RTB
I love watching Mover Ruin a Movie all while knowing the tank scene is coming.
Watched this exactly for that scene hahaha
@@JoshuaC923 same. Haha
The only reason the tank scene happened was so Jessica Biel could say, "No, they're trying to fly the tank."
Funnily enough that scene is highly possible to pull off based on experts who reviewed it and took into account all the factors present in the movie and attributed it to real life.
So that shit is actually possible, which is even crazier when you think about kt
How dare you good sir… the plan ALWAYS comes together 😂
It's senseless to try and critique an A-Team movie for realism, but man I'm cracking up every time you say "Yeah, they're dead." hahahaha So I totally appreciate this movie ruining. ❤
4:01 "there are no Raptors sitting alert just waiting"
It's the A-Team, they're obviously gonna have Raptors sitting alert just waiting if it's the A-Team
If you watch the whole movie, for the ALFA--MIKE--FOXTROT scene, the Raptors were pre positioned at the border as part of this BS operation. Pure entertainment and a fun way to start the movie.
Yeah, he did talk about it when he arrived at the hospital earlier.
I just went and looked for myself. The Raptor was Callsign "Hatchet". "Hatchet, Hatchet....lock on my LZ"
Yeah…that was that “Pizza run”
The scene is very good at its job of introducing a movie which doesn't and won't take itself seriously. Realism is just not a priority. It's not remotely the point of the movie.
This was pure entertainment! I wouldn't worry about the inaccuracies it's all part of the fun!
I remember reading a story some years ago where a Hercules did in fact do ONE barrel roll - survived that and landed, but then was immediately written off due to the G load.
I remember the channel Reel Physics looked at this scene, and I think they concluded it could be theoretically possible with the falling tank.
To summarize this episode.... everyone's dead.... they didn't have an advisor... and Jessica Beil. 😁
Mover: watches scene where C130 wipes out a bunch of canopies
Also Mover: Why drones? 😂😂😂
For some reason, for all of the inaccuracies, the “popped collars” on the military uniforms seriously passed me off the most…..
"Why drones?!"
Because they have no human pilots in them. They eventually shoot and destroy both and, in the best A-Team fashion, the team doesn't 'kill' any human pilot.
Remember in the TV show nobody ever died, and in this movie, even in the mayhem at the very end (which is even more ridiculous), if I remember correctly only Pike was killed by a member of the team.
It was a silly movie, like the TV show, but a fun one and probably one of the better remake/revival of old 80's TV shows.
But still they could've made the fighter pilots got their planes shot down and eject. No one dies lol
what about the helicopter that got smoked in the first scene?
Nobody died in the tv show - not true however the death was off screen, it just wasn't shown. But, I get your point.
@@danialwrx damn that woulda been cool, please make a remake lol
The helicopter crew in the beginning got killed by the f22
6:40: According to Air Force Magazine, an MQ-1 Predator armed with the AIM-92 Stinger missile engaged in a dogfight with an Iraqi Air Force MiG-25 on 12/23/2002. The Predator fired at the MiG-25, and the MiG-25 fired at the Predator, which was shot down. In addition, the U.S. Air Force announced in 3/2018 that it would arm the MQ-9 Reaper (which replaced the Predator) with the AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.
Ahhh, Jessica Biel again! Fond memories of 'Stealth', and the video you did of it!
At the beginning, just wanted to mention I never really thought they were trying to imply that the instant they crossed the border an F-22 just happened to be seconds away. I think Hannibal really had it planned out, and either contacted the airbase while they were still some minutes out, or maybe even well in advance of the mission it was known that he might be returning with someone on his tail.
I had a mouth full of food and busted out laughing - loudly - when you squeaked out “Army training, sir!” Awesome reference! You so rock at this.
5:55 haha love this scene. pilot's heart is broken when he sees the F18s getting ruined.
That was filmed at Canadian Forces Base Cold Lake, I was on duty the couple of days they filmed it. not a bad job on the CGI canopies and rebadging of the Hornets to US liveries. BUT... if you look close you can see the false canopies painted on the underside that Canadian CF-18s have still. I may also be in the FAR background of a few shots. hehe.
In fairness to the movie, the Raptor was prepositioned at the border as a part of the plan. I think they refer to a 'pizza run' or something of the sort, and as they approach the border he calls for 'Hatchet' to lock onto his LZ.
In fairness, it is based on a TV series that was like a live action Looney Tunes cartoon. I lost count how many cars I saw all shot up and doing cartwheels, only for the occupants getting out unscratched.
"You okay Jim?"
"Yeah, I'm okay!"
Too funny. All dead 5 times in just the Huey scene! LOL!
I’m certain they had advisors. Those advisors did their jobs. Then the production staff went “but I’d be cool right?”
That Huey was tougher than Airwolf. I bet the Army would love to buy those in bulk.
I imagine a specialist being offered the advisory job and he just says “yeah run with that” now where’s my latte?
The reason for the drones was because they didn't want to portray the A team shooting and in combat with American armed forces, IE shooting down a Jet.
You can't roll a Huey at 50 Ft. But could you roll one at 5000 ft..? 😅
One thing I noticed, that Mover didn't pick up on, you never say "fire" in an aircraft. You say shoot. Fire usually means that aircraft is on fire.
Physics has left the chat 😆
this is always my favorite segment you do on your channel ruins movies! you break it down with the knowledge that is correct and put humor and make it entertaining
Didn't think a Reaper could fly that fast with a prop on the back or have the maneuverability of a fighter.
In fairness, it is The-A Team 🤣😂
Ha, "Army training sir!!." Loved Stripes.
Literally my thoughts exactly - "Why would you run away from Jessica Biel?"
0:58
**A-team van gets pancaked by an AC Unit**
Baracus: *AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! YOU PANCAKED MY VAN, IMMA KILL YOU FOOL!!!*
Murdoch: Y- you can't park there, it's a *Handicapped Zone!*
Funniest A-Team bit ever. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Guy really came into a A-Team movie like “Golly I sure do hope this movie is extremely realistic.”
Guy really came to Mover Ruins Movies confused that inaccuracies might be pointed out.
@@CWLemoine you got me there guy
In the directors cut, while they're being chased in Mexico by helicopter, you can see Hannibal radio the nearest base long before they get to Arizona.
It's the A-Team. They can build a tank from a few pipes and some wire. So this all seems perfectly plausible to me.
Additional fun fact. The Mercedes GW reversing away from the AC-130 might as well have been stationary. The GW reverse gear is speed limited to less than 20 mph.
when the helo is falling and he does the engine restart, if you listen close the SFX is a radial piston engine, not a turbine.
Hollywood really likes to put on the Master Caution lights in films.
The tanks is an XM8 AGS of all things. Quite cool to see. Also, wasn’t the C-130 scene supposed to be in Germany? Or, did I imagine that?
Yea there German when they get out of the lake they ask for directions for Berlin was funny
@@theconvictedquokka so, shouldn’t be a Marine base, then! 😀 Makes flying armed drones shooting at something even worse! They shouldn’t be able to keep up with the Hercules either!
At least the old people at the lake are speaking fluent german.
@@MontytheHorse I only know Rammstein and that's USAF if I remember correctly?
I assumed they used drones because it is the safest way for the movie makers to have the heroes stop their pursuers without them killing fellow allies. They can't have the heroes kill American Airforce/Marine/Army pilots who were just chasing some guys who just stole a military plane. They're trying to clear their names so killing fellow allies along the way will not help their case.
Had the A-Team stole a Russian plane from a Russian base then we would certainly see them being chased by Su-35s instead. In the intro they were chased by irredeemably evil bad guys so it's fine to see them killed off in a way the audience can laugh at their deaths.
Love these! You’ve gotta do “Flight of the Intruder” sometime!
I like the way the Herc is doing 50Knots above the clouds while getting shot at :P
Mover’s reviews in two sentences: “No, no, no” “And….they’re all dead”
Horribly inaccurate, yes. But I'm the case of this movie, that's what makes it so hilariously fun to watch
Ignoring the fact that one was seemingly just loitering around the area to shoot down errant helicopters, are there even any Raptors based in Arizona? The only western US-based squadrons I know of are at Edwards in CA and Nellis in NV.
I love the "Oh Shit" look in the guy's face when Hannibal tells him they're in US airspace, though. That alone just makes the whole sequence for me.
Mover: no American tank has an auto loader. they are all manually loaded. so you can’t load the tank as you fall through the air
@@willw8011 unless I’m mistaken the Stryker is not considered a tank. it’s a APV/ AFV
i watched it in theatres and it was just big dumb entertainment with a bit of nostalgia. much like the expendables. you leave your brain at the door for movies like these.
“No, no no no no, you’re all dead” - Mover
Mover I don't know if you'll see this and I know it's probably going to be hell to get working (in terms of DMCA, resisting the urge to punch the screen etc) but if you could ruin History Channels Dogfights that would make my whole month; that show was my childhood
If i'm not mistaken I believe the only thing in this scene someone analyzed that is actually possible is the flying tank lmaooooo
That review was just so much fun😆
You don't need to be a pilot to know that the physics is out the window in this movie.
About the radar in C-130: apparently cooperation between USAF, Marines and Navy has paid off handsomely.
The Joint Situational Awareness iPad: mount it in any vehicle and it automatically provides plot-relevant information.
@@ericssmith2014 just like in the movies!!! Oh, wait…
You left out the best part, when they start the C-130. Definitely not startup for an H model. I believe he dumped the fuel. Trying to find the full clip. lol
That start up procedure was not IAW the dash one.
@@crazypetec-130fe7 DSV and TDV
"They're all dead now."
The A-Team original TV-series in a nutshell.
If any of the 'bad guys' had ever taken the time to aim, they would never have survived the first series.
*Re: all around 360 degrees radar on every plane*
I was very disappointed when I first saw the movie "Top Gun" in the theatre in the 1980s.
"I can't see him!"WHAT
i got to say tho that flying tank was more likely possible then 90% of the fast and furious scenes
You should add a "they're all dead" counter :D
I love Mover's pained expression as the C-130 slaps all the Hornet canopies
"That'll buff out..."
I loved the movie.
with all its good and bad things.
But I'd like to know where all those rounds hit🤔😆
Your silent sarcasm is hilarious. lol.
Portions of this movie were shot in the area I live in the interior of BC, Canada. The helicopter chase and asylum hospital scenes in particular.
Entertaining and Jessica Biel. Best review ever 😂
Did you enjoy ruining it? Because for me that was ridiculously fun to watch! "They are trying to fly a tank" "but tanks can't fly!" is pure comedy at it's peak.
OH tail designator for USMC does not exits....I dont think..... DH is HM-12 Sea Dragons (CH-53s) from Norfolk
Funny thing is, if memory serves some sciency pair of dudes went over the flying a tank scene, and deemed that while an awful lot of stuff would have to go right, its technically not an actual full on impossibility to survive.
7:43 -the reason for drones is because the movie showed big plane breaking the top of smaller planes as it's going down the runway, making them unusable, so the quickest thing they had, that could lift off immediately were apparently drones. That way we can watch an air battle without good guys killing other good guys.
I can answer the ripple fire question - because for some reason they are using outdated Vietnam era or earlier heat seekers. In the 70's and earlier there were still some issues with missiles not tracking right or just straight up leaving the pylon and never having the motors fire and just fell to earth, so there were times pilots would ripple fire just cause ideally one of the 2 would work in the middle of that fight and hit the target.
I always thought this movie felt more like it was trying to be like the newer fast and the furious movies more than replicate the A team.. but it was silly fun at the time it came out
Was this where the meme originally came from "You can't park there" 🤣
Are you telling me this isn’t a documentary? 🤯
I dont care what the expert says this movies 100% accurate😂😂😂😂😂😂
It is CFB Cold Lake in Canada.
Have a sense of humor! You know someone out there thinks this is somehow real!! 🤣🤣🤣
That's what I keep thinking. 😂
Can we just appreciate how strong those tie down straps were to keep a tank strapped in while the aircraft was inverted?
Please do "Firefox" with Clint Eastwood! Greets from Germany
I've never watched this movie all the way through, saw these scenes and turned it off, way to ridiculous, I know it's a silly film but way to out there for me. Love these mover ruins movies and all the helicopter/car vlogs dude.
Can you react to the movie Memphis belle ? ( 1990 ) that would be cool.
Picture it, Goose in the tank, Come on Mav, do some of that pilot shit. LOL
HA, HA, HA, HA ..... is all I can say. You're right Mover!!
You should definitely react to DUNKIRK!
I can't wait for top gun review
Physics didn't leave chat. Mover did. Shell has potential energy. Firing it provide opposite force.
Might want to open up that book again, bub. These are Hollywood physics.
@@CWLemoine of course it is not nearly enough to slow down tank. I agree with that, but some miniature slowing is happening.
Firing the shell does slow the tank down, but only very slightly. I did some calculations and a 60000kg tank firing a shell with 9.8MJ muzzle energy and muzzle velocity of 1640m/s will be propelled backwards by 0.2m/s by the momentum of the shell alone. This does not include recoil from expelled gases, but even if total recoil momentum is 5 times the shell momentum, that will propel the tank by 1m/s. Not much.
@@angrybirder9983 thank you very much for running numbers! 👏👏👏
@@salkasalka I mean, We're talking about a 60t-ish tank and a 7kg-ish shell. You don't have much hope to seriously propel something by ejecting a projectile that is several thousand times lighter, unless you accelerate it to relativistic speeds.
I love it when a ruin comes together 😅
"Aaaaand, they're dead. Roll credits"
I would never run away from her.
The Navy base is actually CFB Cold Lake in Alberta, Canada. Thats why you see the Hornets there. And if you look closely, you can see the false canopy markings underneath.
They are in german airspace in the second scene. So it would be probably Typhoon/Eurofighters that would appear instead of drones, since those are the ones on standby here. Looks like they made it to the alps, so maybe its Switzerland or Austria already, so thisstunt would probably cause an international air alert too? Europe and especially germany is very dense populated and a lot of airtraffic going on in a small area, so this thing would probably result in utter chaos. Oh, besides ...no Dynamte fishing here, that fisherman would go straight to jail.
This movie was absurd and I absolutely loved it.
please do the mission impossible series next, would love to see you react to them
Off the top of my head, cant recall all that many aviation related scenes to be ruined, though? Except the obvious flying a helicopter behind a train in a tunnel scene.
Oh, and M:I 3 had jets blowing out a bridge IIRC
When Jessica Biel said "no they are trying to fly the tank" I saw Movers soul leave his body.
top 5 Movie line!!
MQ-9's are being tested with A2A Stingers and can technically carry AIM-9X's. Apparently, the MBDA fitted/fired a Brimstone missile from one for the RAF as well. Possible, but not likely.
@@willw8011 Yeah, I don't think a turboprop aircraft has any chance against a jet aircraft unless it's able to track/fire BVR missiles. Not what this specific platform was designed for. Now, you start getting into jet-powered platforms like the RQ-170 or RQ-180, might be a different story there if they can incorporate an internal weapons bay to maintain stealth signature.
At the airforce base, there's not nearly enough runway for Murdock to get the C130 up to takeoff speed, and all the fighter jets that he's smashing with the wings would obviously slow you down if not start a fire - you certainly wouldn't be of any kind of speed to takeoff!
Mover, just for fun, do a Mover Ruins Movies of the plane scene in Madagascar 2...lol