The Original Broly Movie Was Good, Actually
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2023
- Dragon Ball Super: Broly ushered unto us a beloved reimagining of one of the most divisive characters in the Dragon Ball franchise. But I feel much of the derision aimed towards the original incarnation of Broly is a bit misplaced due to the character's dumbing down in all of his appearances after the original 1993 film. So let's examine that original film and why, out of the original thirteen Dragon Ball Z movies, I feel it is one of, if not the best of the bunch.
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Thank god I wasn't aware of the fandoms hatred for OG Broly because I always loved the 1993 film.
I don't know the exact statistics but I'm fairly confident that majority of DBZ fans are also ZBroly fans. It's just that he's the kind of character that you either love very much, or hate very much. And the latter part of the fandom are going to be also very vocal about it. ZBroly has tons of fans.
Z Broly was definitely one of my favorites. I honestly sorta hate Super Broly I feel like he was butchered down
i think the second and third movie are to blame
@@markmagician2471 i know you like the old Broly but i like the new Broly because it says in Quora that dbz broly was dumb for him
Vegeta being paralyzed by fear felt completely on brand for me. His demeanor towards perfect cell was very similar, sure he actually had more of a fight with cell, but once he caught that L he was completely powerless against him in mind and body.
It would’ve taken trunks getting capped for him to actually do something against broly, otherwise it was a good hammer down on his character who at that time in the story was a complete ass hat
Also vegeta has heard stories about the legendary super saiyan and how powerful he truly is, once he sees just how real they truly are he immediately breaks because he knows exactly what broly is capable of. It's like hearing stories about the boogeyman and then literally seeing him in front of you, no matter how strong you thought you were it's your biggest fear come to life, you're gonna crap your pants.
@@heretopissyouoff8439 haha, exactly, stories he was probably bedwetting about in his youth where Nappa would have to come into the room turn the lights on and comfort him, he had no Nappa when Broly actually showed up, no one to turn the light back on, just pure visceral fear
Vegeta kept fighting Cell until he got smacked down and cucked. It's worth a rewatch, I thought the same thing until I looked after watching this video!
Vegeta's always been portrayed as a coward when you think about it. He was a coward against Frezia, hiding behind immortality and breaking down crying when he lost and didn't bother fighting back. He was a coward against Cell once he realized he fucked up. And then coward to Beerus. Vegeta only is "brave" or badass when he KNOWS for a fact he can win. Every other time he's never really the type to be like "I may be at a severe disadvantage but I'll fight you until my last breath!"
Thankfully that kinda changed in Super for the most part but he's still somewhat a coward. Him shaking in his boots to Broly was always in character. Vegeta fanboys just won't ever admit it.
And during the saiyan saga when the moment Goku was able draw blood, Vegeta freaked out and decided he'd just blow up the whole planet lol
Quite frankly, it’s rare to stumble on a critique of the movie (or Dragon Ball content in general) where I can tell the critic actually watched it. Well done.
It's not out of character for vegeta to cower like that he spent half of the fight with frieza doing the same thing until he thinks he's become a super sayain
and given how broly wiped the floor with the z fighters it wasnt out of nowhere
He also cowered from Beerus before getting his rage boost
The crying to Broly just became a representation of everything that happened that day. Extended media (like video games) elaborate that Broly's hatred isn't solely on Goku, but all Saiyans. Goku's crying was the first domino in a string of horrible events for Broly (who was cognizant of all this as a baby). The entire humiliation was the fact Broly was treated as "weak" even though he was the strongest out of them all. From the mocking to being stabbed (which is important) to literally being thrown away like trash and then Frieza trying to kill everyone is what broke Broly. The flashback at the end is important to the scene because the events of the current day reflect back on what happened:
1. The planet they're on only has a certain section that looks nice, while the rest of it is a trash heap. (where Broly and his father were left to die)
2. Though Goku punches him in the lower abdomen, the explosion that defeats him is channeled to his upper chest (where he was stabbed as a baby)
3. The comet coming through is the overwhelming force threatening to kill everyone on the planet (parallel to Frieza's Death Ball.)
The more analysis done on this movie, the more it actually becomes the best of the original Dragon Ball movies.
This is not what i was expecting but this is what i wanted. I see a ton of incorrect information about broly and the movies in General. Glad to see more people actully understanding them
While i do prefere supers broly their is a bit of intrigue thats lost in the new broly
I loved the original Broly and the movie. I never understood the hate. 1 of my favorite DBZ moments is him walking into and tanking a point blank Kamehameha.
I just don't understand how people can liston to brolys story and not think he was amazing and really fascinating
Man I just miss that old art style
The Broly movie is actually in the newer, mid to late 90s Bird studios style. The older style would be the style from the original series or the first arc of Dragon Ball Z.
@@fmsyntheses the new art style is since DBS. Everything before is "I miss that old art style". Thank you
@@saschaberger3212 Except there's a clear delineation between mid to late 90s Bird Studios art and late 80s to early 90s Bird Studios art, just look with your eyes
Nobody cares you annoying dork.@@fmsyntheses
@@fmsynthesesyou’re correct. You can also see when Yamamuro entered the scene in the Android saga back in the early 90’s. It doesn’t look like the original Dragon Ball series where characters were more “round”
i honestly don't really like the new Broly as a character. when i think "Legendary Super Saiyan" i wouldn't think of someone who's shy and can't control their power. DBZ Broly really felt Legendary, his Legendary form being a stark contrast to his base form, power so massive making him indestructible until plot demanded it not be so, and he knew how to use his power and LOVED what he could do with it. he really felt like "The Legendary Super Saiyan" and DBS Broly couldn't sell that to me.
DBS Broly didn't feel very legendary even when he did transform, the transformation itself was a bit underwhelming compared to DBZ Broly and so was the form to me. It didn't feel different enough from his already bulky base form. and when he did transform he felt like a mindless brute to me who didn't know how to control their own power. at least he got a believable ending and an overall better movie then DBZ Broly tho. hope his character gets fleshed out more, would like to see him actually control his power! sorry this was so long, i love DBZ Broly a lot but... didn't know about the voice actor thing till now so that actually sucks :/
Broly is my favourite Final Fantasy character.
Broly was swole, cool, and brutal. Yes, he was good. Anyone needing more than that from a non-canon DBZ movie are the same people that clap at marvel movies when they say "that just happened" or when the pilot lands the plane.
If I want to turn off my brain, I'll take a nap.
@@fmsynthesesif you wanted to use your brain, you wouldn't be watching Dragob Ball, let alone shonen at all
This is not at all what I was expecting from you, but it's not unwelcome.
“A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one”
@@Patrizz2036 I concur with this reference
This movie means a lot to me. Ik most dragon ball fans hate dbz broly and disregard his character but this movie was the first dbz film i watched and brolys character as a whole always kept me engaged my favourite villains in dragon ball are buu, demon king piccolo and broly. Which aren’t very deep or complex characters at all, but something about them just makes me appreciate them, having villains that don’t have much deep motives and are just evil for the sake of it is so badass to me. This movies soundtrack is also amazing it introduced me to metal and hard rock and those have been my favourite music genres ever since
Eh, Freiza was a better evil villain than all of them and buu wasn't all evil
I greatly enjoy both Brolys for extremely different reasons. Z Broly was an absolute blast to watch him run fades on the entire Z fighters, while Super Broly got to be a fleshed out (and much more sympathetic) character.
An interesting talking point that is seldom brought up though is how the fundamental misunderstanding of what Z Broly is may have directly influenced what Super Broly would become. In RyeBread's video on the same subject he brings up the that the view of Z Broly being a mindless brute (we're only talking about the first Broly movie here) is why Super Broly is that in his movie. Z Broly is quiet until the moment he transforms then he starts talking, trading lines with the rest of the cast, and not just screaming Kakarot showing he is quite in control of his actions at this stage. Meanwhile Super Broly is, while soft-spoken, quite talkative in the times before he fights, where as when that starts he becomes the blinded berserker who fights anyone in front of him while only yelling and grunting, clearly showing he is not in control of his actions. Z Broly and Super Broly are quite the opposites when one realizes this... at least until any other Broly content was released flanderizing him to being that mindless brute. I would recommend to watch Ryebread's video essay "Nobody Understands Z Broly" cause it brings up more than what I summerized.
Dbz broly in base was quite, but keep in mind the mind control. The aliens on new vegeta immediately identified broly as the monster that attacked their world etc.
Lssj broly is broly full natural personality. He's just as intelligent as any other normal full blood saiyan. But is more bloodthirsty according to paragus.
imo Toriyama simply wanted to add Super Broly into the cast(and definitely wouldn't work). Broly is supposed to be a "Legendary Super Saiyan", and what is a saiyan to begin with?
saiyans are barbarian warriors, ruthless foes that kills people, destroy stuff and sell planets. you see the saiyan society in the DBS Broly movie, they're pretty chill, their society looks literally like ours. no sign of "SAIYANS" anymore. Bardock cared about his son(in the previous movie he looked at his power level and was disgusted), Goku's mother was taking the role of a housewife(Fasha is a good example of being a female isn't a problem in their society, they're barbarian warriors. not against it or saying it couldn't happen, but still...). King Vegeta exiled DBS Broly instead of killing him(?), i thought he was too strong to be alive. DBS King Vegeta is either dumb or DBS Broly wasn't the threat like Z Broly was.
Z Broly in other hand, hes "chill" because his father was controlling his mind. after breaking free from the control, he shows how cruel, powerful and destructive he is. everything about him screams "Legendary". hes everything the saiyan race is about and much more, i'd say Captain Ginyu's description of the legendary warrior fits Z Broly in every way.
DBS Broly is basically a mutant saiyan, nothing that much special. very strong indeed, but can't control his powers, wasn't able to transform into super saiyan, couldn't do anything exceptional due to the situation. Z Broly showed how much of a threat to the entire universe he was, and why King Vegeta was right wanting him dead. guy killed the little aliens, and to the survivors, showed their planet getting destroyed. his fighting style is cruel, he has no marks, no scars, cuz nothing could harm him(hes the legendary after all). all the fight they had in the first movie was just him playing with the Z Warriors, and honestly that's good, to remember the saiyan race's origin, what they are.
the idea of saiyans being more good they're depicting in DBS kills many interesting points of Dragon Ball story imo.
Wait People actually hate the Dub Sound Track?...even though 90% of this Series Music Is someone Shredding on a Guitar I dare you to give me a Dokkan Battle Theme that doesn't have a Guitar.
i just think that most of the soundtrack doesn't fit the scenes much and isn't that memorable for me as the japanese score tbh
Great video, I'll stan that the old FUNimation soundtracks just hit different sometimes.
I actually felt a sense of tragedy and betrayal for Broly though. His own father, whose life he saved from Frieza destroyjng their home world, betrayed and controlled him. If Paragus had maybe tried to CONNECT with Broly and relate to him more, Broly MAY have become a better person, at least towards Paragus. I saw OG Broly display love ONCE. When he saved not only himself, but his father whom he evidently loved and trusted at this point, an innocent but powerful Saiyan baby, using his power to protect Paragus.
The relationship between Broly and Paragus was pure at the beginning. You have that father, demanding an audience to the cruel, harsh, petty and nepotistic King Vegeta, knowing all too well he won't heed. But Paragus gave his best shot for the sake of his son. Over time, he grew up and the tiger cub became a savage tiger with unpredictable reactions.
Seeing it is impossible to reason with Broly when he goes into a fit of sadistic rage, he concluded that a mind control method is the only way. And you can't really blame him for this measure, since trying to handle Broly fatherly cost him an eye. It fell short as a solution though, as having all this power under the palm of his hands also corrupted him...
Original Broly is a fxkin badass! And thats still THE BEST MOVIE in the series.
Z Broly > Super Broly
-HE ACTUALLY TALKED unlike S BROLY!
-he has better outfit
-better attacks
-more character
-better song(PANTERA!)
-VIC MIGNONA KILLED IT
LOL more personality. Me hate Kakarot cause Kakarot cried is not personality. And Super Broly had more lines than Z Broly ever did
@@Drums_of_Liberation it's extremely sad that you people still believe broly hated Goku before the second movie. Super Broly barely spoke the entire battle so IDK what you're talking about
@@Drums_of_Liberationstop
I actually don't think the new broly is better and feels a lot less significant
nah
I literally agree. Yes the new Broly is badass and has a better backstory, BUT the original Broly was TERRIFYING as a bad guy. He was a destructive force of nature and most Super Saiyans he made mincemeat of :)
Also, unpopular opinion, Broly: The Second Coming is one of my fave films. I love how Videl tried facing him, and he was in his normal Super Saiyan form. She definitely had toughened up from her fight with Spopovich and her training of understanding energy with Gohan and Goten :) Videl was badass in Z
Plus I'd have LOVED to see what would've happened if Gohan tapped into Super Saiyan 2 against Broly. I think Broly may have SLIGHTLY struggled at LEAST
I've always loved Broly. Both versions.
Uh no. I love him better than the new version tho
It needs more nu-metal!
Great video broham, love seeing stuff you talk about come to life!
Broly going Super Saiyan with 10s by Pantera playing made the movie KINO. 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I adore Nu Broly (he's cute :3) and I see the merit in OG Broly, his power level is maximum etc. The Cooler, Bojack, Janemba, WoTD, and the Bardock OVA are my favorites of the older films.
Great video!
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I know you're going all "haha the dub score is so weird" but I LOVE the Menza scores for the movies, specifically Cooler 2, Broly 1, and Fusion Reborn. I genuinely cannot stand the sub version of Fusion Reborn because Gogeta has NO theme except his dub version, the sub theme for Gogeta is a damn tragedy
This movie holds a Special Place in my Heart because I was in Pakistan watching Cartoon Network with my cousins and this Movie was my Introduction to Dragon Ball, To Goku, Vegeta and Super Saiyans it made me fell in love ever Since and I spend my whole life with this Franchise like Games, Toys and the Shows and this Broly is still my favourite undoubtedly the most famous Villain got 3 Movies and then became Cannon it’s clear Broly is popular and seeing this version used in anything is Awesome even when playing Raging Blast 2 and Unlock Super Saiyan 3 Broly was the best feeling when I was Young and seeing Broly pop un in the Game Intros Facing Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Gogeta it all was Spectacular even nowadays he’s still Popular as he still shows up in hero’s Getting new Forms Beyond Super Saiyan 3 like Super Saiyan 4 and Limit Breaker SSJ4. It’s a Shame what happened to Vic and I really think they all played him hard he did not deserve to be treated like that and I believe he was innocent now We have Johnny voicing Broly which is nice I am just happy he got the Mantle handed by Vic, over all DBZ Broly is Legendary and always will be.
Ppl who say Broly is one not were NOT PAYING ATTENTION to his movies. Super Broly sucks compared to Z. (Zs design was better,his outfit is better, Vic Mignona voice was better, his attacks were better.)
Uh... no? He is very one dimensional, his outfit pales in comparison to Super Broly, his backstory is significantly worse, and while he is more badass and has better attacks, that's about it
@@Fall-oo6mtsuper Broly is literally the very definition of a bland character with no backstory.
I bought a copy of Doosu’s Aqua Vita after watching this video and listened to it in full.
It did not disappoint. Goddamn, great pick Andrew. Thanks for the recommend. ❤
Caught me a little off guard when I heard Megurine Luka doing the outro for this video. Thanks for crediting the artist so I was able to find them
Great video
Im making a forecast of sorts. Your videos are extremely well made so the relatively low views and subs are really surprising. I bet that by 2024 you'll have 20.000 subs
Considering the rate my videos come out, that is very optimistic. But thanks for believing in me.
See, im a weird one. I find the music from the Bruce Faulconer Dub the best (for me) because i literally FELT the atmosphere from it. People said on forums it "sounds like midi music" which i AGREE, but to me, it gives the music its psychedelic charm
I like og Broly character better
I don't understand how or why anyone likes DBS
Same reason people like Z: big power ups, big battles. Dragon Ball has been repetitive since Namek saga.
@@amuroray9115 surface level stuff
@amuroray9115 Dragon Ball is awesome but fr it's always been repetitive its just some arcs and movies are worse than others.
@@thelvadam90 Z had quality writing up until the Buu saga
@crimsonking4151 I agree. The series was quite good until Buu saga that's where it fell off. Then Super came around and it hit rock bottom because Super is just pure trash. Some of the movies after Buu were good at least such as Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon not perfect ones but still solid.
Vegeta realises that broly is some hyper saiyan not even elite goku was low class but broly really was a legendary saiyan
Absolutely love this movie. This and Coolers Revenge are definitely my favorites. GOATED soundtracks
My only issue with this argument is that even in the subbed version, unless you speak fluent Japanese, you are still ultimately still subject to someone else's interpretation of what's being said. English and Japanese are not very compatible languages, so it needs just as much reworking to make it flow in English as the dubbing process. So just because someone wrote it on the bottom of the screen doesn't really make it any more accurate and I find people largely gloss over this
That's actually an interesting point. Translations can be hard sometimes without getting additional context on what is supposed to be conveyed from the original author and thus are still subject to interpretation.
Your comments about certain voice actors really resonated with me, along with finding certain albums at the right time.
Recently started Persona 3 to have it down before the remake, and a certain someone voices Junpei. It doesn’t get any less awkward to hear him speak.
Will be sure to check out Doosu. Great video as always. ❤
I'm not sure why he didn't do more research about such a sensitive subject, but those allegations were proven false. There were leaked discord servers that had messages between a whole group of people making all of these stories up and planning against him when in reality, he's just a really nice guy.
@@RileyJ3866This is the kind of thing I’d rather err on the side of caution. I haven’t seen any definitive evidence, but considering the volume of people who’d spoken out against him, I’m holding him at a distance rather than embracing such. There’s far too much I and many others don’t know about him.
@@RileyJ3866I really don't think ten years of people making allegations against him can be disproven by a discord server that
1. Has never been proven to exist
2. Could not possibly contain every person who made allegations against him
and 3. Fails to establish a motive for what anybody would get out of coming forward with allegations. Other than harrassment from conspiracy theorists that is.
I am a bit confused . Well is there any guide that says Broly is a victim of mental illnesses that as he transforms from base to supressed ssj and then to ssj then to Lssj. I list the transformations because from the Majin bird info I got, he was stated to get into a different phase of his mental illness as he transforms. it was also stated that Broly actually thinks he hates Goku but he is just victim of false memory which is among the mental instabilities I spoke of earlier . And it is actually general meaning that this mental complication is always active wether it is that Broly reaches the Lssj form
What absolutely brings and pulls me back into the dub is no doubt the album. I've watched the original Japanese version in theaters and just couldn't get myself into it. But that's just me.
28:27 inaccurate information…
Glad I wasn't the only one that caught this.
Not a huge fan of DBZ but the message about reexamining media that you're nostalgic about resonated with me in a big way.
Mate, I love your unbiased opinion :) I'm a massive fan but I appreciate opinions like this from people who aren't mad on DBZ like I am :)
My first encounter was the "Big Green" dub on Toonami UK, the second, third and fourth such movies being the first Animé I ever bought about 20 years ago now (and I can still get them too, those three movies!), so for me it's a bit of a mixed bag my preferences for his lines in this movie! Don't get me wrong, I love the whole "is that a type of coffin?" line, but I still can't help but love "if you don't mind my saying, you're loud"! And I must say, when I did finally see the FUNimation dubs of all these 13 movies so many years later, I jus fell in love with the licenced music, all bands I'd never heard of and don't even get any radio time, not here in the UK, not even on Kerrang! Radio as far as I'm aware, I don't recall ever hearing any Pointy Shoe Factory or Slow Roosevelt, for example and their whole thing is, after all, "everything that rocks", even with a heavier bit late at night with the Temple of Doom, after DJ Johnny Doom (actual DJ! I am not making that up!)! Though, I think about it, I may heard some Pantera on there... (Where I am, we get it through Freeview's Digital Radio Service, which also provides the BBC, BBC Sports and Local BBC (BBC Radio Leeds for me) stations!)
The only change Movie 8 needed was making it about Vegeta rather than Goku, like we had Super Android 13 for Gohan. It could be canon if Goku wasn't in the movie too, because that's the main reason why people can't fit it snug into a dbz timeline. Have future trunks and Gohan if you want, but ultimately the narrative revolves around Vegeta. Broly's hatred could also be stemmed from hearing Vegeta's name because both his father and him share the same name and over time Paragus' talk of King Vegeta cements Broly's trauma onto that name, so it would make sense that he hates him. I really love OG Broly because of this movie, he's way more sophisticated in this film than second coming and bio-broly. He's sadistic and psychopathic and cares about inflicting pain rather than just defeating and killing his opponents. He wildly lashes out at others around him because of his mood swings. He's has potential to be a great villian but I feel like he was squandered with the sequel movies.
i have always liked the DBZ movies, whether canon or not and its a nice change of pace to see someone speak highly of this film despite its flaws and bad writing. great video Drewbles
RyeBread made similiar video 5 months ago. I thought it is a reupload ; D
The old broly is over hated because of Crappy sequel and video game over saturation with the dumb second coming version. He was awesome in his first film and his origin is over hated do to a bad English dubbing and team four star. Infact id say it is bad as the Goku is a bad dad narrative.
Huh? The Eng dub in Z is well regarded.
If this is the same as Goku being a bad dad, then that’s not very good considering Goku isn’t exactly a stellar father either
@@amuroray9115 the dub is good in terns of voices but there are mistranslations and changes in dialogue that make people get the wrong idea about things.
Or the Yamcha is a loser narrative. Or the Gohan is a coward narrative. TFS really did poison a lot of the fandom, didn't they?
He literally cried and gave up with Frieza
The Goddamn Broly was released the same year as Jurassic Park and Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2
Broly is just the perfect Concept made Flesh.
„Hey, lets take the Idea of a Super Sayan and turn it completely evil.“ Pure Genius by the Writers.
MYYYYY SKIIIN ISSS COOOOOOLD!
Where is all this hate & harsh criticism taking place, exactly? Reddit? Some other forum? Other RUclips videos & their comment sections? I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity, don't take this as a challenge.
Do you have to re-edit this video
Remember back when people used to like Broly were called Broly tards?
I certainly wasn't expecting a video on this subject; and I'm all for it, I love your content and love Dragon Ball even more. I agree with pretty much everything you brought up, surprised to learn that some of the original context was lost in the translations, but even happier you're for the English tracks. I'm a huge fan of the music that was chosen, got me into a lot of new bands back when I was a kid. Pantera 10's will always be Broly's actual theme song as far as I'm concerned.
I do like the new Broly movie, I just don't understand why he couldn't have been his savage and evil self while fixing the motivations and shallow character of the original take. He doesn't really have a place in the story, and I'm not sure they even know what to do with him past this point, hopefully they prove me wrong.
As for Vegeta, it always somewhat made sense to me, seeing as he grew up a saiyan on planet Vegeta and would have been taught the power of the legendary super saiyan, so it drove the narrative home harder. Vegeta fans are just don't like it, but its in character. DBS even continues the trend when he admits that he's happier Goku is challenging Berrus instead - again because he understands the power he holds.
The only thing I was disappointed by was your statement of Vic Mignogna being a sex pest, its allegedly. He hasn't been convicted as far as I'm aware, and thus should be treated accordingly. Allegations are cheap and can happen to anyone, and the way Funimation has handled the whole situation is slimy. But that aside great video essay.
Wen Broly? Now Broly!
So was DBS Broly him and the original one are both good
Vegeta always been a coward everytime he fights someone thats WAY stronger Frieza is the best example
Enjoyed your thesis. Not sure I entirely agree with your conclusion that the movie is "good", but I too always believed it was a tad better than the fandom gave it credit for.
A thought-provoking watch... Good video. 👍
Also, thanks for providing a link to BrokyKale's wiki article, it was an interesting read.
It's a mendela effect that Broly only goes "Kakarot!" all the time. Mainly in the 2nd movie or all the games especially it takes place. Movie Broly is really awesome though and actually has way more personality than Super. Then again, Super did also downgrade Bardock, the meaning of Goku becoming SSJ, and so on...
On a side note, Vic didn't even have evidence of being sexual assault. The "evidence" there was overblown topics, out of context in-jokes, or outright doctoring like stealing a fan's identity to claim she was being sexually harassed. It was a horrible mess, made worse when you see how shitty the Funimation dub actually are as people, not counting the leaked outtakes.
As someone also pointed out, the allegations pointed at Vic where disproven by not only himself but by the very same fans he was supposedly being inappropriate with. While I really enjoy this video that last part is a great mishandling of a serious topic that may lead fans to believe it instantly while not doing research for themselves. Other than that this was a stellar video that made me view this movie differently!
Simply false
I can't believe vic coerced those fans into lying for him
Well, I know I have very different opinions of some Dragon Ball fans, but this is all my thoughts on Broly have ever been o.o ruclips.net/video/-HbHQqSw9FI/видео.html
Super Broly is great but Z Broly is my main in fighterZ so
That my daddy
Personally can’t wait for your retrospective on FF6. Got me to finally play the franchise and I’ve already beaten the first game; currently on the second. 👍👍
Nah Broly was about as 1 dimensional as you can get
Super Broly is everything people try to say Movie 8 Broly is. The minute the action starts he just becomes a big dumb screaming brute with no sense of rational. He has no motives to fight other than his daddy told him to and no significant in the plot other than to serve the action
Movie 8 Broly is far and away superior even if his movie is basically a Saiyan Saga retelling. Much like Vegeta, Broly is supposed to be Goku's superior and baby Goku being able to disturb Broly reflects him standing his ground when Broly tries to intimidate him like an alpha in a pack or colony. Goku is weak therefore he much like Vegeta he should yield in the face of overwhelming power, but Goku being Goku only doesn't back down.
Broly is as much a foil to Goku as Vegeta is in the Saiyan Saga. Broly much like Vegeta believes in his own superiority and can't stand Goku for challenging his place in the universe. If anyone says the movie sucks, then they'd essentially be saying the Saiyan Saga sucks
You really didn't understand the new Broly lol
@@Fall-oo6mtno it's just you people love to overrate sadness in fictional stories. Y'all believe sadness equals good. It doesn't. New Broly having a sad backstory doesn't make him good
@@myleekb You believe being a badass is being a good character. It isn't. Super Broly has character development and an actual personality, though he is less badass than Z Broly
@@Fall-oo6mt ''I miss m-my cat...I am so sad, this is definitely more tragic than baby Broly surviving a stabbing and a literal apocalypse'' Bro you are the whole circus lol
@@Fall-oo6mt no he doesn't lol. The last commentator just illustrated that perfectly.
I prefer the original Broly.
I do like RyeBread's video on this movie. ruclips.net/video/izvMcAxU5lM/видео.html. He does a good job at explaining about why OG Broly is actually good and isn't as bad as people make it out to be. There's also a few other videos I've watched where people talk about why the OG Z Broly movie is good etc. I saw one who said he thought it was better than the Super Broly movie and I agreed with him. But that I think comes down to opinions but he makes good points.
Good video. I'll concede the original Broly movie is one of the better DBZ movies, but it's still not a great "movie movie". Broly is interesting in concept and design, lackluster in motivation and execution. To me, he's style over substance, but there is granted a lot of style.
The soundtrack of the dub falls into the "so bad it's good" category. I've never had a particular fondness for that genre of rock/metal and lean far more towards the classic rock end of the spectrum. I can't take nu metal seriously as it feels a bit try hard and one dimensional, nary a single Maxwell's Silver Hammer in sight. A bit one-dimensional, like the character of Broly (in the original film). Fine for what it is but not generally my cup of tea.
Great video!! However the Vic mignogna allegation were all proven false. There was discords found with people conspiring against vic making things up. Taking other people’s photos and applying fake stories. In many cases the actual people in the photo would speak out and say that Vic was nothing but polite to them. For whatever reason people believed the initial allegations and when there wasn’t any proof they made stuff up which snowballed into more people doing the same. Very unfortunate for Vic
Yes 100% . He’s accusing him and taking ALLEGATIONS as fact. It’s like he just read 1-sided headlines and went on with it
I'm glad you brought this up. I don't think its okay for people to treat someone who hasn't been convicted as if they're guilty & I'm actually really disappointed in Andrew for this, I've come to expect his research to be thorough and on point. Just goes to show how few people have been exposed to the counter arguments and evidence against Funimation, vs how many people have heard about Vic's allegations and take it at face value.
Yeah really wish people didn't half ass their research when making a "debunk" style video
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see this is the problem because you're still ignoring the point.
The topic at hand is touchy. So to whom does it benefit to go hugging is sus. Because as far as you've shown, you don't know what you said. Of course I've deconstructed what you've said because you're not applying thoughts to what you've said. You're running around the topic which is you are insinuating something dangerous.
As such, by your own admittance, you don't even feel he is seeking out bad behavior. Therefore retract the first thing you've said because I've been watching you waffle about at nauseum waiting for you to go "okay maybe there was a mistake in my wording".
In this video the creator refers to him as as something terrible. You after much ado about nothing tell me you do not think so, so why are we perpetuating the topic? You realize you're fair minded stance of he's not immune to criticism happens to be towards a man labeled a bad thing and other things? So the fall out is extremely lopsided. He has done other bad things but the point you seem to miss is they're worthy of acknowledgement, not worthy bringing up in a discussion openly centered around how much of allegations were dubious and not worthy of boogiemaning his name. So of course I'll bloat this. Because you're responding half heartedly. I explained how you moving the goal post was moving it. You're free to not actually acknowledge it but I've gone in depth thrice and you're attitude has been "hugs under these very normal circumstances is Sus" when indeed they are not. You have not and probably will not acknowledge that bit it's the fundamental truth. If me or anyone is bothered by the hug it is not worthy of going on social media and making it sound like bad guy behavior. As stated, vic has directly and multiple times after have acknowledged he didn't recognize he mightve have been hurting people with these hugs and has straight up abandoned the practice. The only people rolling their eyes at the critics are people like me who have to point that out. So telling me you weren't going anywhere deeper with it but fighting tooth and nail on the subject are antithetical to that claim. Because you were free to clear that up immediately. But you'd sooner fixate on the fact that I'm waxing poetic and putting a magnifying glass on a serious discussion. Also bad wording on your part, actually no you're wrong, but I'm correcting what you said anyway, what you meant was doesn't mean you can't "seem creepy". Because that's where this really falls apart. On what earth am I not trying to do something evil but still a creep? For reference mickey is indeed Not vic however the point is you 100% can, and people have, run up to vic without his consent on the show floor, not at the booth where he has you pay something. Based on how many incidents I've seen and read and heard, sounds like the teens and adults indulge in fantasy when they run up to him.
So saying he keeps doing this when factually he hasn't. I actually know what you think you're talking about. You're talking about the old accusations from back in the day where people and he himself showed that "no, he wasn't doing something illegal". He'd smuggly roll his eyes at that stuff because those were crazy lies, the second Monica accused him of assault and everyone started saying he hugs too much he immediately said, sorry, never thought of it that way, and vowed to drop hugs. Pushed further by the fact he's on camera literally telling fans no more, just to make sure people stay comfortable. And they were requesting the hug. Now why would I go on and on if unless I clearly had the intent to be thorough instead of being concerned with whether or not you wrote something short or long. A shallow thing to fixate on. So while I'm fine with calling him out, I'm not fine with it being on such a topic. Hence "you're moving the goal post" or better "you're poisoning the well". You're adding talking points in the back and forth seem more like attempts at character assassination. If you cared so much. You would never troll and never shift the goal post. So hitting me with "it wasn't that deep" isn't an adequate or decent or passable excuse. It is fair to say he has no obligation to you feeling uncomfortable if he doesn't know. It's his obligation to respond to that information and do something about that, which he has. However prior to him knowing, he couldn't have known and he was never made aware of it.
Oh look, it's the "do your research" folks who can't actually cite proof and think women -enjoy- being harrassed by dumbasses when they come forward about their experiences.
@@Patrizz2036do you except anything else from him? His political bias oozes into his videos ands he’s on the side of feelings over facts
It was not a good movie at all! But I liked it. Be honest ppl.
I was going to immediately like the video, but then you lost me at 1:18. ZBroly is better than SBroly in almost every way. Actually, ZBroly IS better in every way- looks, presentation, intelligence, build up, etc ..except SBroly has a bigger powerlevel due to scaling in DBS. SBroly just a had a more engaging story written for him, for the purpose of liking/relating to him. Not even written... - but presented. ZBroly was just another baddy, and I think his story could be so interesting if half of the movie wasn't an investigation 'searching for that enormous power that destroyed the whatever galaxy...', so instead of only seeing the 'key points' for the plot, we partially could've seen more glimpses from his past. Teenager, young adulthood. What moral struggles he might've had. Relationships. They gave SBroly all of that, and ZBroly had a completely different purpose for the movie. But ZBroly's presentation as a LSSJ was still epic. Better than SBRoly's in a 'less is more' kind of way, while still being incredibly flashy. It hit just right.
Nah
Super is an absolute disgrace to the entire series.
Bro just edit 10s into the Japanese version lmfao
10s isn't even in my Top 5 in this movie.
@@AndrewBluett that is wild to me.
@@WEAREALLJUSTMEATnah the doosu song is probably the best ngl
They always say he was mindless but broly new film becomes mindless and angry suddenly losing all control. whilst broly goes from passive and mindless to enraged but now speeaking and being a saiyan like a saiyan incarnate. and I heard an interesting idea that broly is mad that goku doesn't care about his strength and will fight anyway and it challenges broly making broly feel prideful as broly and goku's aura clash he gets mad before seeing the of face and remembers by the end of the film what happened but it coulkd of been else but not just cryiomg akira woukldnlt di that.
I hate this movie
Vic did nothing wrong!
I really don't know why you didn't bring up the fact that the allegations against Vic Mignogna were proven false. There were discord servers found/leaked that messages between a whole group of people that were plotting against him by making all the stories up and agreed to spread lies all because they didn't like how friendly he is when in reality, he's just a really nice guy who didn't deserve getting treated the way that he did.
Good ole Vic gave me his autograph before he was scheduled for his booth appearance.
I guess it's okay for Vegeta to cower from Frieza until his schizophrenia kicked in and thought he was a SSJ. Plus it's perfectly fine if he cowered and lost all dignity to Beerus too. But when it's the badass, devastatingly powerful Legendary Super Saiyan who could kill Frieza by standing still and laughing, and because it's a non-canon movie that's competing against DBS: Broly, now it's out of character. Vegeta has had more moments of being a pussy then a lot of people think. Plus I've asked people on forums that shit talk the OG Broly movie if they've even seen it and they say they haven't and just hear about the movie from RUclipsrs talking shit about it.
As someone who did a ton and i mean a ton of research on vic i wasn't able to find much of anything. When asking people who were against vic they would always tell me to keep looking or brush it off. One of the female voice actresses at a con accused him of forcing her to dance in an inappropriate way. then a video of that event was found on here for around the time of the con and what she said happened was the exact opposite. Some suggested it happened at that con at a different year but going to the con's official website shows the only con both vic and the person who accused him of could have been the year she originally said. It was the same dance she mentioned. The conclusion i drew from this was she was hoping no one could disprove her and would banking of oh yeah there was a dance at that event and vic was involved. Letting false memories fill in the gaps. The thing is the internet never forgets. If its on the internet it will be found.
With as many cameras at cons i figured something damming would be found but i could never find anything. The worse thing i found was him complementing a young wonder woman cosplayer in a slightly unsettling way. It sounded like a joke prepared by someone else.
Another issue is how much lying the people against vic are. There was a jacket he had given away/bided many years ago(I don't remember the significance of it it might have been Vis own jacket) The lies of it got so bad the person who owned the jacket did a video explaining how bad the lies were. This wasn't just a random person telling the lies it was some of the main VA of the DB. I can't trust what they say when i keep finding things they are lying about. I've said many times if vic did the stuff that is claimed he deserved everything that happened to him but I wasn't able to find any of it.
What did find was VAs breaking contracts or trying to get Cons to break Vic's contracts. The lying some of which i shared above. people not able to prove much of anything. If this is/was the biggest secret in anime and he is such a predator why can't concrete be found? All it would take was a old video of him acting in the way they said to end this but I wasn't able to find anything, Do you know something i don't Id like to see it.
Rant over and I'm loving your video's i started with your FF6 video. Yeah my first video of yours was a 5 hour video about one of my favorite video games of all time with a teaser of my favorite RPG of all time. I'm looking forward to that.
I actually like the Bruce Falconer music as music. It just shouldn't be anywhere close to Dragon Ball. Can't agree with you about the other buttrock nonsense they put on the soundtrack of the first Broly movie.
Meh. I find him to be okay. Highly prefer the new one, but I don't mind this one either.
nah this movie is terrible. Teamfourstar unironically did it better justice
Someone said to me that Broly was like the boogeyman to Vegeta. Making him so scared but IMO it was just shitty writing.
I was born in the 80's, watched the OG Broly film and all the other OAVs on VHS in the 90's and from day 1, I've always thought the Broly films are boring and have the worst writing ever. I don't see the effort in using the same pattern when writing for films, in that a villain appears, knocks down Vegeta, Trunks and picollo with one punch each, tortures Goku or Gohan for 20 mins to then get killed with a punch/ spirit bomb and Broly is the worst of all. So depressing, so boring that I gave away all of my DBZ film VHS for free.Super Broly showed improvement in that Vegeta had his 10 min glory time, which is well deserved given the huge amount of work and progress he made as a character and in terms of power levels, it makes sense to see Gogeta kick the shit of Broly like he's nothing because he is nothing in reality. Think about it, a fighter with power level of Broly can be considered Legendary, I'll give you that, but that doesn't make his faster or smarter than those who trained for years. In the first movie, OG Broly who's never trained before, was able to dodge Z fighters attacks .. Let this resonate a bit longer: Dodge! That doesn't make sense at all but I'll skip. In the Broly super film, even after Broly surpassed SSG Vegeta, the latter was still able to dodge him and land punches and kicks on him which did nothing but makes sense cos that Vegeta and Goku are a million years faster than that Broly or the OG Broly. Long story short, apart from CGI rubbish we recently had, I think what we got so far in terms of films is way better than the old films.
Yeah this is a bad take just give up 😂
Literally here to remind that most of his 'inappropriate' conduct of Vic used to fire him was false. He was certainly had numerous sexual encounters but none of which brought to light as sexual assaults were verified.
-A fan was claimed to be harassed later came out saying that she was being taken completely out of context and had nothing but respect for Vic.
- Jami Marchi Claims that he forced a kiss on stage. Recording shows she was the one who initiated. Even if this isn't the kiss she's talking about, imagine initiating it here or having this 'tragic' history and going for this action.
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- Monica Rial had her incident be broken down in court. First of all, she lied that that the hotel they were in was several floors and thus on balcony she couldn't escape. It was a one floor building. Second, she referenced a male coworker as someone who caught in middle and stopped the assault. Yet, the coworker denied that he saw anything sexual going on.
- Then a women claimed Vic assaulted her at her high school when invited as a famous voice actor. Too bad Vic lived across country in another state, and was a police officer at the time. Ruining her entire time line.
Super Broly is proof that most anime fans think being sad and overly emotional immediately means good, because super Broly has one of the weakest backstories I've ever seen in fiction. His dad killed a green panda and he's secluded. Big whoop. Nowhere near as complex a dynamic of a backstory as people want to act.
His only advantage over Z Broly is power scaling. That's it.
He didn’t even kill him he left 🤣
Nope. OG Broly still sucks, is still an awful character and still an awful movie. I still hate it and vastly prefer the new one in every way and your little video isn't changing my very strong views on that at all. It's bad, he's bad and you're wrong. Sorry.
Dudes supposed great backstory is his dad killed a green panda but his character is just sooooo great. LMAO let's not even get into the joke of a sequence leading up to his final transformation.
That’s just cope the dbz movie is way deeper than supers will ever be
I disagree strongly. My opinions aren't based on the dub, by the way. I only ever watched the dub once, many years ago, and I didn't finish it. I've watched the sub more times than I can count.
All of the Broly movies are God-awful. I think the new one is only okay. In that first movie the fight scenes are lame, everyone is out of character, and Broly's backstory is stupid. His backstory is actually more like the backstory of a character from the first Dragon Ball series. If the movie didn't take itself so seriously, that might be entertaining.
Although weirdly, I like Bio-Broly. Because it's funny.
Which character is out of character? Vegeta breaking down? The same way he did against frieza after not being able to hurt him. Hell he literally cried during that scene.
@@heretopissyouoff8439 He fought until he was too beaten to move. He just gives up in the Broly film.
I can understand how watching the sub for the first time might make you think that the movie was smarter than it actually is, though.
@@fmsynthesesno he didn't lmao. He gave up after Frieza deflected his full powered attack.
It wasn’t💀
It indeed was there was way more themes in the original movie then any of the movies will have
Not really, no.
Vic was innocent. Now apologize and grovel like you wanted Vic to...