Z Broly is just too savage and violent for Super. The whole movie felt like it had consequence and was dark compared to the new one. Too much pure unadulterated non retconned Saiyan aggression.
And that new girl friend Broly had, for a character that was originally savage to be so soft and gentle with animals and actually have friends made me irk. The new Broly might be canon, the original Broly will always be THE ORIGINAL Broly.
@@Semi-Addict-GamerExactly i literally despise what DBS did to Broly, its the definition of "Look how they massacred my boy" but thankfully its just a new shitty version and not the actual Original Broly that i love
Thanks, an observation I've noticed is that fans of the original still praise the new one, while fans who prefer the new one just seem to endlessly criticize the original without really understanding (or possibly even remembering) anything positive about him.
Lonely Boy Adventurer The funny thing is, most Dragonball fans seem to love Frieza, a character who we don’t even know where he came from and is an evil dictator/murderer for no real reason other than being evil. We have no knowledge about his origins or why he behaves the way he does, yet Broly is hated for being “evil for the sake of being evil” even though we have a clear explanation for why he acts the way he does. I think the fact that Z Broly is a non-canon character is why most new Broly fans dislike him. Anything that’s not written by Toriyama is seen as a sin against Dragonball to those people.
I've always seen Dragon Ball Z as a fill in the blanks yourself / up to your interpretations series, (originating from a combination of dialogue lost in translation, anime exclusive scenes and even Toriyama himself) and that's pretty much how the fan base was up until the release of "Resurrection F", but pretty much since then a few groups have risen up and have pretty much tried to write a doctrine of What's Great About Dragon Ball, many times their points are logical ... but not always, but because they nailed a few of them that's caused many people to just adopt all of their opinions without question. Like I found at that point and time many people didn't truly remember the series, so when this new group with decent explanations came along, many fans essentially let their own beliefs be overwritten, thus creating this uniform mentality where all current trends stem from: Original Broly is bad (just a male Kale), Frieza is the best villain, canon over filler, Kai over the original anime adaptation.
Lonely Boy Adventurer I’ve felt the same way about Dragonball also. Having it being open to interpretation is what made DBZ unique. You could essentially create your own story from the missing pieces. Your point about these groups swaying the opinions of many is spot on as well. It seems that these Dragonball channels have way too much influence over the perception of certain characters within the series or what makes it good to begin with. TeamFourStar is the biggest offender(IMO) when it comes to influence and I believe they are partially responsible for the increase in hatred of Z Broly. They basically made him an unlikable idiot who could only speak in third person and now people actually believe that’s how he behaved when he was introduced even though ironically, Broly was one of the more intelligent, nuanced villains. The “goku crying” part was so focused on in that parody that everyone forgot that Broly was already naturally ruthless and unstable as a character. I’ve always felt like the crying part of Broly’s backstory was just an excuse the writers came up with on the spot to have Broly fight Goku. Without goku, Broly had a solid backstory. It’s almost like a unwritten rule that all villains have to have a grudge against Goku, never Vegeta. Nowadays it seems the general consensus of Dragonball fans is that anything non-canon or filler should be heavily criticized and lambasted for not being directly created by Toriyama. I’ve always felt like the fanbase changed for the worse in recent years.
@@genericname9994 Another reason why people love New Broly is solely because Toriyama had a role in designing him. People will hate on Toei for creating Old Broly, yet love them for creating cool filler characters like Pikkon. Meanwhile Toriyama will completely forget about characters in his own series (Launch anyone?) or completely neglect them after their character arcs are finished (Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc). Toriyama even made up that stupid "S-Cell" stuff to make a half-baked explanation about how Super Saiyans are made. It's a complete rip-off of the Midichlorians from Star Wars, which is an extremely unpopular plot device in that series' fandom as well.
@@elijahcleary7710 well the new Broly is proven to be stronger so I mean he has it there, but regardless I like the new one better he has a background and is more reasonable
I also like the original brolys aesthetic way better he literally looks like a badass version of yugi or just a pharaoh king he just looks so much cooler idk maybe that’s just me
Nope it's just you . The OG Broly is better in every possible way . He's the only Broly for every real dragon ball fan in the world if not they're not real fans they're just little dumb kids that only watched super .
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 the thing with kid goku is he's made by akira himself based off the monkey king character from journey to the west so he is given more depth nuisance then a movie will ever give a new character...goku had to carry a story so he's going to be 3d and feel more deep than a movie antagonist..he literally gets manipulated by blooma the city girl to explore the world for her gain cause she's educated and he's a naive ignorant bumpkin so his nature worked against him...and helped her
@Asmosis Jones I slightly disagree with your interpretation. You're correct with your dynamics: city girl, country boy, but you're wrong with your analysis of Goku. The whole point of Dragon Ball regards how homegrown common sense always prevails over the superficial (intelligence, titles, images). For instance even though Bulma may have education, she has no streets smarts and constantly falls for traps forcing her to rely on others, usually Goku for assistance and even though she may have the insight to create intricate machines, she often fails to put two and two together, like she originally intended to use the dragon balls to wish for a boyfriend, but she couldn't see that she already had everything she wanted in one in Yamcha.
Always said the “Broly sucks because his motivation is that goku cried” was a crock of shit. It’s just a stupid meme that got too much traction. The real thing was that Broly had ptsd and seeing goku was the trigger point cus him crying that day is what connects him to that traumatizing event
@Pikamon Productions A trigger to the events that happened directly afterwards... Not the sole reason for his motivation. In real life people have triggers that is how PTSD works.
@Pikamon Productions it’s because Broly associates the crying with the trauma of his childhood. Not the crying itself. It has to do with his Psychology. It’s not too hard to understand.
I think this new movie actually makes dumbs down Paragus' character too. In the original Paragus wasn't shown to be abusive to Broly. Just strained by his lack of control over him, both with and without the head device. Broly was shown to be a character that was hard to reason with, without the control which makes me sympathize with him in the original a bit more. People also complain about Vegeta being terrified of Broly in the original, because they think Vegeta is supposed to be the "cool pride guy" but without it, there isn't any significance to Broly in the lore. It wouldn't make sense now due to SSB but thats again due to the overpowering of the Super characters.
@@SageOfLimitlessHands oh boy you are not even ready for the insanity of gt powerlevels, if you calculate, ssj4 gogeta's powerlevel is 60-70 duodecilion and beerus manga full power is just 20 decilion, 1. duodecilion = 100 umbrillion, 1 umbrillion = 100 decilion
@@gajendrasinghchouhan7877 Oh trust me I know just how ridiculous the GT power jumps. Basically everyone from Baby onward is a universal threat that Goku fights pretty much back to back GT goku is ridiculous
@IN REGENERATIONE Let me say this in defense for some of the fandom. From around 2007 to 2015, a number of fans including myself took a break from the Dragon Ball franchise, so when our interest in it rekindled, our unfresh memories were quite susceptible to external influences and I think Teamfourstar's content (probably unintentionally) overwrote many people's memories of the series, and let me say that had their work been released years earlier, when Dragon Ball was still fresh in many fan's minds, I think more fans would have resisted the Teamfourstar narrative.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 This defense doesn't applies all the time. I've met many that actually didn't watched or read the entire Dragon Ball or movies yet had formed opinions just by what other people said. GT hate is a great example of this.
@Dukke agreed a friend of mine was unfortunately one of the people that got mislead by the TFS version of the Broly movie he never even watched the original movie until like two months ago when i told him the truth about the OG Broly. And as for GT i'll never understand the hate for that either GT gave us so many memorable moments, Sagas, Cool Villians e.t.c the internet just loves to spread negativity for whatever stupid reason
I don't even watch Abridged anime. And even if I did, after watching DBS Broly I have no desire to rewatch any of the Z Broly movies, especially Bio Broly.
I've always seen Broly's obsession for Goku as some sort of PTSD. I mean, Goku was literally crying while Baby Broly was getting shanked to death... That'd of course trigger some serious trauma.
@@Alecfisher01 No it is not. It is literally what happens in the movie. Other than fanboy claims that he hates Goku because Goku cried which was not once stated nor implied in Japanese. Only that his presence reminded him of that memory and that it resurfaced Broly's Saiyan instincts. Broly never even was said to hate Goku in the movie while Paragus in Japanese literally say that he AND Broly hate Vegeta. So the crying itself did not cause hatred but was psychologically completely different. That is not reaching, it is just what happened.
What people don't realize is that if it wasn't for the Original Broly, this new one wouldn't exist at all. In the past, they created new characters like Garlic Jr, Dr.Wheelo, Turles, Lord Slug, Cooler, Android 13,14,15 and Super 13, Broly, Bojack, Janemba, Tapion and Hirudegarn. Today they can only make a Remake of something that has already been.
Even all those DBZ movie villains were basically copies of original DB struggles. Garlic Junior - (A succesful) Pilaf Turles - (Saiyan Saga) Vegeta: Saiyan invader Slug - Demon King Piccolo: Evil Namekian wishing for his youth back Cooler - Frieza: evil space emperor done in by a SSJ Android 13-15 - Android 16-18: 3 androids hunting for Goku Super Android 13 - Cell: Android becoming perfect by absorbing the power of 2 other androids Janemba - Majin Buu: Playful regenerating chubby turning buff (+Dabura's sword) Hirudegarn - Majin buu: destructive sealed monster released by an old alien wizard Broly is arguably the most original, and even he looks alot like Trunks when he went Ultra against Cell. (Actually, Wheelo is probably the most original. Though he did have -Saibamen- Biomen)
fianlly a comment Section thats Grateful to how demonic the original Broly was he was just a awesome iconic character especially when you think about introducing a new saiyan
@@z-man1237 Dude, Goku literally stated that Broly is near Beerus level. And Broly was going up against SSJB Gogeta, who can literally destroy hundreds of thousands of universes. You are stupid as crap, shut up.
@@z-man1237 I never said that? No one ever implied that? Jiren alone is far above Beerus, and Whis is far above Jiren. But, with that being said, considering how fast Broly can grow in power, he should be able to reach the power of Jiren and MUI Goku in no time with his Legendary SSJ power.
I agree, wholeheartedly. Broly isn't supposed to be kind; he's supposed to be evil, twisted and sadistic. He should be the embodiment of portraying the true personalities of the Saiyan race. But in the new movie, a fuckton of stuff have been retconned. A waste, to me.
In truth I'm not against the new Broly, I just feel he lacks the impact of the original. I believe the new one is good, but the original is legendary and when someone tries to reboot a legend, the final product generally can't live up to its basis.
OG Broly is untouchable but what made the New Broly special is he is canon which means Akira Toriyama is very much aware of Broly’s fandom from someone else’s creation as fillers of the DBZ era making a Canon Broly to be a part of the DBS universe. The new Broly wasn’t intended to be a cold and sadistic villain but a victim to be used as the strong opponent of Goku and Vegeta. I appreciate both versions the way they are but you can never question the creator’s decision on how he wants a different Broly in his story.
I feel like Old Broly is great and New Broly is great, but the both of them compliment each other. OG Broly in his base was never in control, most of his actions were monitored and he was forced to act in a passive way. He was a sadist who loved to watch others suffer at his own hands, and reveled I'm the fact he is the one who caused it. Current Broly's true nature is a gentle giant, who wants nothing more than to be at peace with his loved ones. This personality is only exhibited in his base, though, and when he transforms he loses control of himself and ends up doing things the real him would find deplorable. They're quite literal opposites in almost every sense of who they are and what they represent, and yet these two conflicting personalities can serve almost the exact same purpose when viewed at surface level.
Not necessarily, Paragus made the same argument in the original film that broly could be an asset to king Vegeta’s forces and that it was a misunderstanding, old broly was also pretty misunderstood.
You DBS Broly was also everything the saiyans are, but that's not exaclty character development. Plus, the saiyans have no chance to develop because of Frieza.
Great video man. Always preferred the Og broly and felt the story had more teeth to it. It actually made more sense in terms of the overall saiyan lore. The new broly felt like it was just shoehorned in the super timeline and retconned certain aspects of the saiyan lore that didn't need changing.
@CXRSED Glad you enjoyed my video and what you said is a good way of putting. I might also add that they forced a Broly in because they knew it would garner instant success.
That's one thing I see not too many people taking into account when judging the Brolys, the aura of them, which is one of the reasons why I prefer the original because he exudes the sense of a monster, nothing can escape his grasp, and nothing can stop or damage him. Whereas with the new Broly everything about him is outright telegraphed, Cheelai said something along the lines of "[New] Broly's just a little boy who was manipulated by his father", so essentially the originally Broly is defined by his and the new one is built on by the description of others, and since I think actions speak louder than words, I therefore believe the original is better. I probably got a little too wordy.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Don't worry I get that way too, and just saying. I would say DBZ Broly would of been a better choice for a T.O.P contender, especially destroying those weak universe 6 saiyans. I mean a no death rule is absolutely stupid, I'd rather have death come to the pointless characters AKA the universe 6 saiyans IMO. And why I keep saying that is cause the introduction of other universes is stupid, we didn't need them then and we sure as hell don't need them now. Super is just stupid since there are no consequences, while other chapters of Dragon Ball actually had death to the evil threats. And plus, people complain about the Old Broly yelling all the time while New Broly yells throughout the new movie. Here is why the Dragon ball Fans are biased, anything made by Toriama is automatically loved while anything made by someone else is hated immediately. DBZ Broly would of been a better suited G.O.D than Beerus due to Broly destroying the weak while Beerus just destroys when he doesn't get his way.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I do enjoy Old Broly being like an unstoppable force of nature versus New Broly being akin to a socially awkward man-child. He's like kid Goku but far less interesting.
Another thing that separates Broly's design from other DB characters, is the color of his Ki. Sure Cell had green glow once or twice, but over all, Broly (both DBZ and DBS) is the only one with actual green energy attacks and aura. Like we have seen an entire rainbow of blue, yellow, red, white, purple, orange, and pink attacks, but no one else has green.
I'm glad to hear that, though I hope you still enjoyed watching it too. PS for some reason your comment got filtered into the "likely spam" folder, either way I approved it, so it's visible now.
BubbaWubba - The Old Broly is more dangerous and bloodthirsty, but new one is still more human though. Both Brolys were kinda relaxed in their base, the Z one would've been that way if he never met Goku.
@@San-jx1zd I can say this thing, but I don't think you don't have to be evil and deadly to be a LSS. DBS Broly is still dangerous character if messed with or his friends.
Late to the party. Thank you for this video. I agree with you 💯 %. Original Broly was more sadistic, vicious, and calculating than New Broly. New Broly had an increase in power scaling. However, he was neutered personality wise. And I love the look of Original Broly in his SSJ2+ form. When I think of what a Legendary Super Saiyan would truly look like, Original Broly, design wise, is what I envision.
@Lucas Garrett Better late than never, you're welcome and I'm glad you enjoyed my video. Yeah, so many try to say Z Broly had no personality, even though the new one who they refuse to criticize has almost none whatsoever. I agree with your statement on the design of Legendary Super Saiyan too.
Oh, and you forgot to mention that when Super Broly goes Full Power, it doesn’t look that much different compared to his SSJ1 form. He already had white eyes as a SS (which for me didn’t feel right) and he was already bulky when he Transforms. As for Z Broly, when he transforms into LSSJ, you could tell right away what the difference was compared to his SSJ1 form
No that was legendary. Remember this: if a saiyan transformation includes a green/yellow hair colour change for lssj1-3, a change of background colour, the dude gets more bough and the pupils disappear it’s legendary.
I agree DBZ Broly was better in every way his Design, Character/Personality and his backstory was leagues better it was the real complex story. The new reboot story is as simple as 2+2 and it isn't even a good backstory either
Thank you, their are actually people who actually understand the original broly story. They should’ve put the original Broly in hell, should’ve never messed with his story. He could’ve been a god of destruction since he was what a true saiyan was which was “WICKED”. Original Broly could’ve been used later on in the series or something, I mean, look what they did with Frieza, he starting to change. They messed the original broly up bad and his story. And they messed up everything else now to, making the saiyan race which were evil sadist tyrants into soft hearted people. That new broly movie made everything non canon and tweaked the original DBZ storyline. They could’ve re used him for the universe tournament, could’ve had goku and vegeta go to hell and get him for the tournament to defend universe 7 and I know they could’ve have re used him because goku and vegeta were stronger than him at this point, broly was still on ss3 level but, you know people don’t think outside the box. Akira Toriyama messed up a good character and they didn’t even use Vic mignogoa to voice Broly, it wouldn’t be the same without him. 😔
To be fair, hints of Super Broly's characterization were actually already starting to show as early as Supersonic Warriors 2, so I wouldn't necessarily say original Broly would have already been a devil anyways (heck, Goku showed more potential at being a warrior via his crying than Broly did based on the medics statements, and let's not forget, Goku originally was shown to be very wild and less than an ideal kid, and in fact, amnesia was the ONLY reason he had a pure heart at all.). And I personally didn't mind either version, to be honest. Super or Z, he was a great character, and even before Super, I actually wished Broly could have gotten the help he clearly needed (the guy was clearly suffering from PTSD from being stabbed at the order of his own race's king and then nearly being atomized by Frieza. I don't think I CAN blame how he turned out from that) and even become a good guy. He definitely would have made an invaluable ally to the Z-Fighters had he become good, that's for sure. Also, they DID use Vic Mignogna to voice Super Broly. Unfortunately, that was the last time he was allowed to voice the character thanks to that stupid Kick Vic campaign that, ironically enough, Goku's voice actor was involved in. And for the record, Broly's replacement VA deserves chops for one thing: He DEFENDED Vic and called out everyone who got Vic kicked out.
Honestly if the intention of this new version of Broly was to mirror Goku, there should have had a scene where he looks at Cheelai asks her why her chest is so, round, different, etc from his. Naturally she'd slap him across the face for that but then it will lead to Cheelai learning about how LITTLE Broly knew about anything outside Vampa. That is right in line with everything Dragon Ball.
The only thing about the new Broly I like is his design, but the old Broly is overall better because he had character, he was a straight up Savage and shit talker with no feelings instead of a mindless brute who’s only good for berserk mode!
@Ajax 2227 oh look we got one of those TFS brainwashed sheep over here 🐑 keep baaaing your lack of intelligence isn't gonna change our minds from the truth
Z Broly attire looks better to me Suoer Broly looks too much like hulk with the green and purple but my favorite thing about super Broly was his oozaru form that form was badass especially when he transformed and rag dolled Goku God red lol
I liked both. Actually, I even consider Super to be what Z Broly COULD have turned out like had King Vegeta not gone all King Herod on him. And that's actually backed up by certain what if scenarios as well (specifically, the one in Supersonic Warriors 2 where, after the events of his debut movie, Broly ended up getting amnesia and ended up having a similar characterization to his later Super rendition. Oh, and he gets redeemed, relents on his desires for revenge on Goku for Mr. Satan's sake).
@@chadgrimes252 To be fair, Gohan had a very high power level for his age (high enough that Raditz was initially in disbelief when seeing its power level in his scouter), and he ultimately turned out alright. I'm pretty sure that with the proper training, Broly probably would have turned out similarly, LSSJ powers or not. Granted, he might have still been insane ultimately, but he could have been insane yet ultimately good. Like Raiden from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance for example, or more specifically his Jack the Ripper identity. Or even the Creeper from the DC Justice League. I also suspect his wiping out most of the galaxy was actually more of Paragus's doing than Broly himself (since the beginning of the film DID have King Kai reacting with sadness and horror at the South Galaxy being destroyed as if it just recently happened, and considering this occurred during the Cell Games Saga where the Z Fighters were about to fight Cell, that would have been too long for Broly to do so especially given King Kai's reaction [if anything, King Kai would have arranged for Broly to be dispatched a LOT sooner if it were his own doing and not being under the effects of that crown.].). Now, that said, there were maybe one or two planets Broly himself was definitely responsible for destroying, don't get me wrong (the flashback more than made that clear), but again, just from the flashback, it was only one or two planets, and we know Broly was put under mind control fairly early on due to Paragus not getting his moustache yet when he put it on him. And let's not forget, the flashback DID make clear Paragus ultimately DID get drunk off of Broly's power after outfitting him with the device. Heck, if anything, considering his vendetta against Vegeta, I wouldn't be surprised if Paragus after outfitting Broly with the crown DID actually use him to blow up the galaxy specifically as part of his plan to lure Vegeta into a trap. I also suspect Broly's attack on the Shamoians was also after being outfitted with the crown, especially considering one of them DID recognize Broly in his base form, while he was still wearing the crown (and why would Paragus enslave the Shamoians afterward if it was before Broly got outfitted with the crown? Afterwards, it at least made sense due to him needing to set up the trap for Vegeta, and part of it entailed trying to make New Planet Vegeta LOOK like the original, hence the slave labor).
Dude i just watched the original Z broly movie, and you literally described all my favorite points about Broly. The way he destroyed the alien planet saying "I bet you dream of going back there one day... well its just a dream!" And then how he calls goku goku instead of kakarot after that kamehameha blast.... was so diabolical
Originally, Broly never called him "Goku". It was a translation error in the English Dub. In the Japanese version, Broly calls him "Kakarotto" all the time. Today Funimation already has the original Japanese translation, in those years they had their own, where they made many mistakes that they no longer admit to.
Crazy how 3 years later you made me realize my love for the original broly clouded my judgment of the new one . That’s probably why I haven’t rewatched the new one . I didn’t get that same sense of OP that I did with the original . The scene in the first one where he jumped in the air and repeatedly came down on Goku creating a big ass crater in the ground . No character has EVER made Goku scream like that
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 im not gonna lie, i thought this new broly was much better then the old one but you actually made me feel conflicted as to which one i prefer more. Despite loving old broly i had forgotten how good he was so thank you for reminding me
It's ironic how people frame Z Broly as a supposed mindless brute with no personality when his Super counterpart is _far_ closer to that description. DBS Broly is so overrated I swear.... But I have to say, this is a quality video. You clearly have great understanding of these characters. You get my subscription.
@Dominium I actually uploaded this video cause I thought the blatant irony had to be addressed. Thanks, I appreciate the compliment and the subscription.
The first Broly movie is fascinating, and I imagine it was made this way because at the time, the protagonist of the anime and the one who was going to defeat the main villain was Gohan, so in order not to lose or take the role of Goku as the protagonist, the story was done this way, let me explain. In the movie, Paragus states that "Now I remember that Broly and Kakarot were born on the same day", as we know, Toei made Broly to fill-in the plot-hole that, originally, the legendary super sayayin was born every 1000 years. If Broly and Goku were born on THE SAME DAY, this means that they are both the legendary super sayayin of the legend, an extremely important detail that unfortunately always goes unnoticed by fans. When we see them as babies, one of the nurses says that although Broly was born with 10,000 units of power (lmao), Bardock's son cries more, so he has "more guts", then Paragus mentions that "Fate has made sure that this duel becomes a great disaster!", the duel that had already been predisposed by destiny and that Goku has chances of actually winning, and Broly knows this, hence his hatred for Goku. When Broly and Goku meet for the first time, they stare at each other and a shot of Broly's green ki and Goku's yellow ki opens, and they both have the same feeling towards each other, the same RIVALNESS. The legend has two realms, the mystical-magical side (every 1000 years) and the physical side (the legendary ki of green nature). Goku and Broly have a dualism, but they are still two sides of the same coin; Broly was born extremely powerful and evil, while Goku was born a low-class warrior, but he is pure-hearted. The story tries to tell us that Goku, being the good one, has fate on his side and ends up being the winner, by putting inside Broly the little energy that everyone had left in order to make him explode by himself and this is where a shot of them as babies finally opens up to us again, with a light on them, the same light of destiny that we see again on them as adults. In the end, Goku ends up being the winner of the match. This is how I have always interpreted the film since I was a kid, and it is a pity that it is not given the recognition it so rightfully deserves by the community and there is this misconception that Broly hated Goku just because he cried a lot when they were babies. That idea only came out in the second movie, completely shitting on the original idea. This is because Broly's story should only have been the first movie, but Broly was too popular for his own good. The cliche that Broly hated Goku for "stupid reasons" and just yelled KAKAROOOOT! is a stereotype imposed by the two subsequent films and the videogames.
@José Miguel Casanova Linares I agree with everything you said, and building off of the line of "more guts" in the country of Japan, an infant with a loud cry represents willpower and that they will be a strong person as an adult. As evidence google Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival. Broly as a character likes to break the spirit slash willpower of others, think how his legendary super saiyan transformation actually rendered an adult Vegeta speechless. So, Goku's endless loud crying as an infant meant that Broly couldn't intimidate Goku into silence and that idea carried on to them as adults, where Broly through energy recognized Goku's great strength. I actually wrote and uploaded a follow-up video to this concept, if your interested.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I didn't know about that festival, I'm gonna have to search that up! I actually wrote my own video on my channel "No Filter Films", is in spanish however, but I recommend you turning on the automatic subtitles which are correct for the most part. Glad to see we are spreading the word all around the community, everyone needs to know this! Gonna check up your follow-up video. And yeah, that's why I love the fact that when Goku gives the final blow to Broly, a flashback of them as babies cuts one more time, kinda like saying just as Goku made Broly cry as a baby or just as the weak imposed himself over the strongest, once again destiny gives Goku the upper hand and he ends up winning! Thanks for your answer! Fun fact: Didn't know if you knew, but the original japanese track when Broly and Goku have their first encounter is called: "The Destined Clash!"
@José Miguel Casanova Linares No problem, I enjoy communicating with people like yourself. Interesting information regarding the Japanese ost. One thing I might also include how destiny essentially repeated itself as adults: a knife pierced Broly as an infant, Goku's fist penerated him in a similar way to land the fatal blow; the infant Broly escape an exploding planet Vegeta, but as an adult the destruction of the new planet Vegeta ultimately consumed him ... or at least until the sequel forced him to survive. I asked this in response to another comment of yours but in case it got lost in the messaging system I thought I'd ask this here to, but can you comment on one of my videos from your "No Filter Films" channel, preferably as a reply to one of your comment chains, so me and anyone else reading this can easily find it.
Something i'd like to bring up that people say that broly should hate vegeta more than goku because of what his father did and should have focused more on him but its likely he was more interested in fighting than revenge. As a saiyan he is naturally inclined to violence and has an inborn desire for battle and testing his mettle against strong opponents so a battle against some of the stongest fighters in the universe(at the time) most of them being saiyans (super saiyans in fact) is a once in a life time opprotunity he wouldn't pass up for anything. Especially as he only has a limited amount of time to do so and since Vegeta lost his will to fight before broly got started he probably thought he wasnt worth his time and went about fighting everyone that fought him and was so dissapointed that he had beaten all of them so quickly that he decided he would just flat out kill them until piccolo showed up and healed everyone. Broly also has shown that he has respect for goku and the others as in the original sub he says " Knowing that you have no chance of victory yet still go on to fight me? Truly you are worthy of your saiyn blood!" Whereas for Vegeta he does show that he certainly does hate him because by the time he does join in the fight broly focuses only on vegeta batting trunks aside to get to him, mocking him, putting forth the effort to actually oneshot him, taking the time to humiliate him by teasingly pushing his face into the side of a cliff, calls him worthless garbage, and throws him aside like trash into a chasm to meet his fate beaten and broken on a doomed planet (sound familiar) while he goes back to having fun. On that note has anyone noticed he is probably the only one actually having fun in this movie as that maniacal smile almost never leaves his face and spends a good chunk of his screen time laughing while beats everyone up ( like when he turns goku into a human trampoline giggling like a little kid) and he purposely drags out fights so he can enjoy them as long possible ( this hubris actively eventually bites him back) so it makes it seem as if he is actally having the time of his life more than anything. Also i dont see why people call him angry most of the time. Sure he is pretty intense when he's in combat but he seems pretty softspoken and almost laid back in the lulls between fightscenes as he casually trades banter between piccolo, goku, and vegeta
A frequently heard insult of the original had him called a "big baby", while the new one literally carries around a safety blanket. I don't hate the new Broly, it's just that the vast majority of the original's criticisms apply more to the new one.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It's not really a safety blanket, more of a memento to his first real friend (a better comparison would be something like Big Boss's usage of The Boss's bandana from the ending of Snake Eater up to the first ending of Peace Walker). But I can sort of agree with your point. Still like both versions, though (and if you ask me, the Super version was how Z Broly would have turned out had King Vegeta NOT stabbed him. I'm sorry, but the guy barely even cried, only did so when Goku did. I simply cannot see the original Broly even having the ambition to overthrow King Vegeta pre-stabbing, 10,000 BP or not. Ironically, Goku pre-amnesia probably would have come closer to actually BEING a threat to King Vegeta eventually despite his 2 BP precisely BECAUSE of the latter's intense wailing, based on what those medics stated.).
21:15 Yeah! That's what I'm talking about! THIS is the reason why his trigger expanded! It was adressed directly in the movie - when Broly is hearing Goten's cry and on the verge of waking up from a coma (he was asleep for 7 years), he is haunted by flashbacks of his defeat and wakes up because of those!
I agree somewhat I prefer classic broly but modern broly is still interesting it would be cool to strike a balance between both interpretations of his character a sort of middle ground and make him not quite evil but not completely good either slightly sadistic and ruthless while still retaining somewhat a gentle side
People that hate Broly for some reason like Kid Boo because he has a personality. Assuming that Broly himself doesn't have one. Bio Broly, a clone, has no personality. Broly from Z actually has one. The thing I loved about the old Paragus is that at the beginning he loved Broly, but over time, he had to learn how true the claims of King Vegeta was and went as far as brainwashing his own son. Paragus was actually a very proud father in the original movie and a pretty good villain too. To add to the destiny part of the original Broly, as Vegeta once said during his first encounter. Strong Saiyans are treated better than low class Saiyans. But the movie took the opposite concept. Because Goku was so weak, he was sent to earth and learned under various martial arts including Gods. With his desire to protect others that are dear to him, he eventually defeated the man who destroyed his entire race. While Broly was born too powerful that he became a thorn in King Vegeta's eyes, thus he ordered the execution of Broly. It is implied that Broly is likely associating the pain of the attack with the knife with Goku's crying. It was also satisfying when Goku won at the end, because while Broly had power, power is all he had. There is another character that used the chest blast like Broly.... and it's female Broly which is a bland rip off of Broly which in her normal form is some shy girl.
@M3rtyville i always found that hilarious i even saw a guy in the comments on a OG Broly video saying "Janemba should of been Canon not Broly because he has no personality and just yells KAKAROT" like wtf? 🤣Janemba doesn't even have personality and this is coming from someone who likes Janemba he's cool i like him but he doesn't talk or have a personality. This just goes to show that OG Broly haters are braindead idiots that has no idea what they are talking about
@Thel Vadam Agreed, the saiyans of Z were battle hardened warriors that deserved every bit of their strength, whereas those of super were just a bunch spoiled brats with inflated power levels.
20:05 Correction - original Broly NEVER was hating Goku. Literally. That's wasn't happening in any movie except for Z 10 where he lost his consciousness because of the coma and the only thing that was driving him to live is a subconsciousness memory of his infant times. In Z8 Movie - the only thing that cry was all about is it was so deep subconsciousness tic in Broly's head, that the voice of Goku was able to awake Broly's mind. THAT'S IT! Broly NEVER had any "hatred" towards Goku any time at all! The only thing Broly did to Goku more than to other characters in that fight - was a line "Kakarotto, you'll going to be first to be killed", and Broly's play on Goku's feelings towards his son in this one line "Kakarotto, are you love your son?", what is a natural thing for him to do, to play on someone's feelings when he sees a weak spot, he was doing the exact same thing to all others. THAT'S ALL! IT NEVER WAS ABOUT ANY SPECIAL "HATRED" TO GOKU! Broly just dislikes Kakarotto a little more than others because of a tic, because of associations - BUT HE WASN'T SPEFICIALLY TARGETING HIM OR HAD ANY SPECIAL FEELINGS TOWARDS HIM! In the Z 10 Movie he was MENTALLY BREAK! This tic from his infancy AND the fact that Goku made such a hard wound on him - THOSE were the things provoking him to continuosly chasing anything similar to Goku! He literally wake up from a 7 years coma and is not cognitive, so the only thing that was driving him most of the time BECAUSE of that is a tic AND the memory if his defeat from Goku's hands, with only a slight clearings of dying mind! Modern and western fans are really have almost no understanding of Broly (and Sroly either). Completely.
Lssj Broly acknowledged Goku as a worthy opponent in original dbz and saiyans themselves are built to fight he was fully cognitive and had the best dialogue and the most important thing was he was savage . Whereas in his mind control form he was pretty retarded. It's exactly opposite in dbs broly.
Great analysis! I'm glad someone with a brain for once has a different viewpoint on the original Broly as I honestly feel like that version of him was misunderstood. I like new Broly as well but I prefer the original for various reasons. I honestly feel like if the animators of the original Broly movie explained the motivation behind Broly's hatred for Goku better than it wouldn't have just came off as Broly only hating him because of Goku crying in the same room with him as infants to a lot of people.
@Raimundo Glad you enjoyed my video and I'm happy I could be that different viewpoint. Let me say "misunderstanding" the original Broly is an understatement after something I realized after uploading this video, I'll attach a previously written comment below explaining. "I actually wrote a video on the true purpose of Goku's crying not too long ago, my [seventh] most recent upload. To summarize Goku's crying embodied the spirit of a great unbreakable warrior, as said by the guards stationed in his nursery, "that boy's got guts for crying in the presence of such a strong person" and Broly's innate power could break people's spirits (silence them) like how it did with Vegeta as an adult, but Broly's power couldn't silence/break Goku, hence why he despises him. I explain it in greater detail in my other video, but I thought I'd include this anyway." Since then I even learned an additional fact that the country of Japan celebrates a festival known as "the Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival," which even further supports my claim as they hold a contest to find the baby with the loudest cries.
Bro I just realised, Broly got the *Kratos* treatment: The stablished, misinterpretated iconic character, who was stigmated as a raging, mindless brute, is teared down by critics, in order to elevate the new, kinder, calmer and "more fleshed out" version. Of course, until ACTUAL fans disprove those critics with deep, well constructed and dedicated videos like this one.
@solracstormhunter3023 Thanks for the compliment, before I settled on making anime related content, I actually considered writing a video on that very topic with Kratos.
I noticed that for a while now too and i find it ironic that i've seen RUclips videos for both of them titled "Nobody Understands Z Broly" and "Nobody Understands Kratos" i don't do youtube videos but i honestly been thinking about making one single video for both OG Broly and OG Kratos someday because both of them are my favorite characters and this new trend with these fanbases thinking the new versions are superior while the OG versions are one dimensional is just straight bullshit and isn't true at all. These people literally call any character that has an aggressive character trait with rage "One Dimensional" (like critics of OG Broly and OG Kratos) and somehow any character that is a goody two shoes that does no wrong they immediately call them "Complex and deep" (New Broly and New Kratos for example) i see such a nonsensical pattern with their claims its ridiculous its as if Anger or aggression is somehow seen as a One dimensional trait to them for some reason, I know for a fact all these critics are full of shit and i'm glad i came across others these past few months that see the BS too
@@chadgrimes252 If you want to do the video, I'll say if you can do it for your own satisfaction, go ahead, but if you go into it expecting recognition or the praise of others, I'd advise not to, as writing these types of videos can be very time consuming; putting it to paper is an entirely different story than just thinking it up in your head, besides that too if it's your first video, don't expect it to gain attention. You might have read this already, but a few months back I debated someone basically saying villains can't be well written if they experience "character development" and don't reform themselves into good guys, so yeah I know what you're talking about. On a different note I'm currently working on a list of my favorite 100+ videogames, God of War (PS2) included, now I don't know how much I'll break down with it, but I'll at least say, I think most people will at least get something out of it.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033Thanks for the advice man and yeah it would 100% be for my own satisfaction if i ever get around to making it because i'm honestly not the type of person that does specific things to get praise especially if it means following a hive mindset that i don't agree with, I know for sure if i ever made the video a fair amount of people would disagree since its the "Popular opinion" nowadays in these fandoms to believe OG Broly and OG Kratos doesn't compare to the new shitty versions that these people think is better but it is what it is we both know people got brainwashed into believing this nonsense, i'm looking forward to the video game list but 100 of them? Damn an i thought i'm the one that has long term memory lol i could only name like over 10 or 20 games that i like, Highly doubt i could name 100 at the top of my head, i'll try to name some of my favorite games while thinking at the moment no specific order btw, plus i may add more than one game to a number or just name the franchise by itself that i love 1.) God Of War (Only the 6 Original GOW games on PS2, PSP and PS3) 2. Street Fighter 3. Mortal Kombat 4. Tekken 5. Need For Speed Underground/Most Wanted 6. Jet Li Rise To Honor (This game is such a underrated gem for PS2, i had a blast playing this as a kid with my big brother) 7.) GTA 4 (Roman Calling: "Hey Lonely boy Adventurer wanna go bowling?" Lmao i had too🤣) 8.) Battlefield Bad Company 2 9.) Midnight Club LA 10.) Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3/Tenkaichi 2 & 3 11.) Splinter Cell Conviction (Got a special love for this one, It introduced me to the Splinter Cell Franchise and honestly one of the best games i ever played, i Spent hours on Conviction without getting bored its too good) 12.) All Smackdown vs Raw games 13.) Soul Calibur Broken Destiny (OG Kratos as a playable guest character💯💙) 14.) Capcom VS SNK 1 & 2 (Simply Childhood at its finest💯 a classic) 15.) Just Cause 2 16.) Street Fighter X Tekken 17.) WWE 2k14 18.) Marvel vs Capcom 19.) Guilty Gear XX Access Core Plus 20.) Jak and Daxter Its more but this is all i can recall at the moment
19:45 on top of all that, Paragus doesn't just forget about his grudge against Vegeta, the movie takes away most of agency completely. In the original, it's 100% Paragus' plan to trick Vegeta and eventually attack him, in this movie, it's all Frieza and Paragus just goes along with it. The movie totally ruins Paragus
You're 100% right, Super Paragus was utterly useless that movie ruined practically everything. DBZ Paragus was a mastermind he will always be better and his plan on getting revenge was way more genius it almost worked too until Trunks and the slaves exposed him but i love how when vegeta is terrified of finding out the Legend is true how Paragus keeps rubbing salt in his wound the entire time his character is amazing in the first movie plus the way he tells Broly's Backstory gives me chills no matter how much times i watch those scenes "He was a true warrior born with the strength and clout that would make most saiyan fathers proud but there was something far darker about him, violent, threatening and in time it began to scare me" DBZ Paragus>>>>>>>Super Paragus
40:20 It's just sad how much Dragon Ball is turned into a memes it claimed to be and never was in actuality. I think teamfourstar is somewhat responsible for this and made some damage to Dragon Ball, maybe not much less than Funimation's damage even.
I think Toryiama just not caring anymore did most of the real damage. I don't care what Toei and friends say Super is non-canon it has so many contradictions with even the original Manga not just the anime added stuff. For example Freiza remembers Bardock in the Manga when he meets Goku. Which doesn't make sense if the Super Movie is canon since Bardock should be just another small speck millions of miles away on a planet about to be blown up along with an army of Saiyans. In Z it made sense because he rushed Freiza alone knocking down a lot of his fodder
@@cyberninjazero5659 Is not Toriyama not caring. Is more Jump and studios forcing him to keep writting. Toriyama wanted things to end on the Freeza Saga but then Jump fprced him tp create the Cell saga. He had to change his villains all the time cause editor didn't liked the previous villain he made. Then they wanted him to keep going and make the Buu saga where he'ld pass the torch to Gohan but fans wanted Goku. The man had a clear goal and stop point, but people forced him to keep writting and didn't even let him write what he wanted... It's understandable if, at some point, he just stopped caring
Thanks for this video. I seriously blame Team Four Star and the newer Dragon Ball fans for the misconceptions and also, the fact they base their evidence on clips and not even watching the original media in its entirety.
When I was younger and reading Archie comics and old anime, To me, Goku vs OG Broly = Super Sonic vs a more deranged and psychotic Super Scourge. Goku vs New broly = Sailor Moon vs a dumb and somewhat poorly written Sailor Galaxia. My apologies if you didn't understand but I meant that Dbs broly is not as good as OG broly
@Malus Phillips I'm glad to hear you enjoyed my video. Adding on to your comment I think the abridged version overwrote many older fan's fond memories, so now they're misremembering their own because of Team Four Star's (usually biased) influence. Apologies for responding so late I've just been busy lately.
I watched the 1st Z Broly movie start to finish. At least twice. And I feel no different. Hell, I was kinda worried when I heard of a new, canon, Broly movie, yet I have watched it at least 3 times more than the Z movie. Hell, one day after I finished it, I watched it again immediately afterwards.
I didn't like the new Broly at all. Original Broly is my favorite DBZ villain. The same people who this Original Broly was just a mindless angry idiot with no depth or emotion are probably the same who think Original Kratos was a mindless angry idiot with no depth or emotion. People need to stop thinking that bad person means a bad character. I think it has to do with this new generation of media. Where everything needs to be spelled out to people. Its like saying Tony Montana is a bad character.
@Legion Iscariot One of the earliest videos I considered making was going to be about how the old God of War games were more complex than the overly praised new one. With the new generation, I more so believe they're parroting their influences rather needing everything spelled. In addition to I quite often find that they never even experienced the original media. I should also mention that a lot of channels like Teamfourstar through their own biased opinions overwrote many peoples' fond memories which heavily swayed the perception. With God of War (2018) I'm just gonna say its developers/publishers paid people to regurgitate how the new one was so much deeper than the old ones as sort of advertisement/marketing scheme.
@Legion Iscariot Because the new generation doesn't form their own opinion because they're brain dead. That's why they can parrot what they're told because they can't think Them selves even though you're proving them wrong with solid evidence.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033i actually hope you do that video in the future about Old God Of War being better because all i been seeing in comments lately is the modern God Of War fans calling OG Kratos "A one dimensional Angry man" and saying the new GOW actually gave him depth i seriously don't get how this generation doesn't seem to understand that just because a character all of a sudden becomes a goody two shoes Wise Oak doesn't mean that the Original is bad and has no depth. OG Kratos is a tragic Character that became who he was due to circumstances and getting screwed over by the Gods but these new fans just seems to think he's a character that kills everyone for no reason, i highly doubt they played the old God Of War games
@Chad Grimes Defending Z-Broly as well as the original God of War, I swear every time I see you comment I'm liking you more and more. I have some ideas on how to go about with that video, such as comparing it to the just as poorly written the Last of Us 2 and Hitman: Silent Assassin, but I still just feel like I'm missing that certain element to make it my own. Right now the AAA video game industry is going through a phase of appreciating bad clichéd art that lacks any subtly whatsoever and overly favors "character development" (I'm pretty sure a few days back you read this same topic of mine under a different comment chain.) I'm not calling the new God of War totally mindless or not artistic, but it's only a step above the surface level (easy to recognize) and what makes it worse regards how the actual art goes over the heads of the pretentious critics, leading them to view it as shallow. In terms of making this video I honestly can't say whether I'll get to it or not, because with me I have so many topics to write about that I don't if I can ever get to them all or at least at the level of quality I wish to maintain. On a positive note after I finish the project I'm currently working on, I'm likely to work on two consecutive DBZ videos, I though you might like hearing that.
@Chris Goris I'm happy to have helped you see there's others. What's funny is not too long ago I actually received another comment leaving this same message.
DBZ Broly is literally the most Impactful DBZ movie villain the majority of the fanbase does love him including us so you're not alone man, the haters are just the vocal minority
This is such an awesome video dude, i'm glad i ain't the only who thinks Broly (DBZ) is an awesome character. i can't believe for 28 years people still don't get about DBZ Broly's character, people really misunderstood about how they found Broly's hatred of Goku is dumb because he made him cry and that's make him a stupid worst character? There's more than just making him crying folks, If you look closely at Broly's perspective, he blames Goku for ruining his life by being executed from King Vegeta and being a laughing stock to the other Saiyans, and it makes sense due to him yelling Kakarot and do you know why he yells Kakarot a lot, he yells at his name because he will never forget that a low class warrior like Goku deserve to live but a powerful Saiyan like Broly gets executed and make him suffer with PTSD for decades, that's why i always found Evil Broly interesting and he always was. And most of all, Broly hating on Vegeta really doesn't make sense from some folks claim to be because Vegeta have nothing to do anything with Broly at all, it was King Vegeta's choice to execute and exiled Broly not Vegeta, i find that really stupid for Paragus to hate on Vegeta just because he's KIng Vegeta's son, it doesn't cut out for me, even Vegeta said to himself in the DBS Broly movie quote "Don't be ridiculous, this isn't my business" But everything you said about the Super Broly movie was spot on, i watched the movie in the movie theaters, i love it but i was a bit disappointed because i hate now these days were everything needs to rebooted, Toriyama said that he will give a new take on the character and hope it won't disappoint the fans, Not to bash Toriyama in anyway but he kinda did, i just think it was unnecessary because Broly is already a great character, i wish he made DBZ Broly canon and just continue his story and maybe explain why Broly is The Legendary Super Saiyan and why he is who he is, I've just want him to dive deep into his backstory and maybe explain his take of why Broly really hates Goku but to me it's definitely gotta be Broly hating Goku so much because he blames him for being executed since that's why Broly remembers everything because he does have PTSD since people with PTSD tend to remember the tragic events that happened to them in the past, and sometimes they're anger gets the best of them.
Thanks for the compliment and I'm glad you enjoyed my video. I will say when it comes to the canon of Dragon Ball, it honestly doesn't matter to me many of my favorite scenes from the franchise were entirely comprised of filler. I will add that the crying serves as a completely different significance than what everyone thinks, as it represent Goku and Broly's first clash. In Bardock the Father of Goku a scientist stated that Goku had the cry of great warrior, which Broly instinctively recognized, so Goku's cries at Broly represented him challenging the infant born with a power level of 10,000 for who's the stronger saiyan.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yeah no wonder Goku was crying a lot, even when you said that Broly is naturally evil, i also can say that the day Broly was executed did play a roll into his personality though,meaning he was more than just your typical savage Saiyan, he's a psychopath who is just hungry for massacre, Broly was just asking himself like what did i do to deserve this you know,it's pretty obvious he suffered PTSD and Major Depression and other mental illines, DBZ Broly deserves better, but i just think Toriyama changed Broly's character just for the sake for canon timeline i guess but DBZ Broly Movie 8 does make sense since it takes place before The Cell Games so they had like 5 days to train before facing Cell so this Broly would have made the Broly movie way better, Broly will always be the best DB villain in history
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Let me add that many people have no idea that the final form of Broly from DBS is non-canonical. Akira Toriyama re-creating Broly for the DBS Movie said Broly would not be as muscular as old Broly anymore. So the final DBS form of Broly is a normal SSJ that has no eyes anymore. In this movie, Broly was supposed to become just an SSJ, but Toei-Animation's Animator added an extra makeover for Broly, which was based on Broly from DBZ. Gogeta was originally only supposed to fight Broly SSJ in this movie as per Akira Toriyama's expectations
@@Soyuchiro Personally found Toriyama's idea to be stupid, and honestly, kudos to the animator for fixing that. I mean, seriously, if he's just going to be an SSJ, then what was the point of Kale?
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Agreed, though it's also likely PTSD factored into the equation as well. Though I'm not sure if OG Broly necessarily cared initially if either he or Goku were the stronger Saiyans. Heck, the fact that he barely even cried in the first place ironically enough DID imply he might have probably been gentle hearted had it not been for him being stabbed (and I also noticed something else as well: In the scene where it shows Broly about to be stabbed, just before being lifted up by the leg, he actually seemed to be sleeping calmly despite Goku crying next to him, implying he was actually starting to get used to the crying to some degree).
Thank you. I tried making a video like this myself, but you explained it in far greater detail. Thank you. I'm so glad I'm not alone. I really DON'T like new Broly.
Glad it helped and your welcome. If you do decide to make the video feel free to use some of my arguments; the more people to present this side of the debate, the better.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I already made the video. I used similar arguments to yours, but I did it with less detail and in a shorter time. Yours is better, and I'm glad it exists.
The Chad Dbz Broly vs The Virgin Dbs Broly: The Virgin Dbs Broly: -Baby body with scars -Had a Powerlevel of 920 as a kid -Is a violence hating hippie -got whooped at his first day -can't even talk -got controlled by a simple necklace for dogs -acts like a monster with no reason -has no lssj form -defeated by gogeta -has no character even with development -is not even a villain -hyped for a half year -Aaaaaargh -nearly died on earth The Chad Dbz Broly: -No weapon can scar his body -Powerlevel of 10 000 as a baby -Destroys everything bc he can -made vegeta cry and shit his pants -has Over 9000 badass quotes -couldn't get controlled by many different crystals and emeralds -is a devil not a monster -has infinite power as the legendary super saiyan -only defeated by plot and bad writing -never heard of character development but still awesome -most terrifying Villain ever -hyped to this day -KAKAROOOOOOT -survived a planet explosion as a fking baby
@Broly Legendary Super Saiyajin Great summation. The original Broly was an alpha male, silverback, giga chad. I would add to your list on DBS Broly "needs a security blanket (Ba's ear)"
@Broly Legendary Super Saiyajin Fucking glorious 💯 i'd add the fact Daddy's boy couldn't open a damn bottle and tried eating a hershey chocolate with the wrapper on lmfao i really don't get what people see in this shitty reboot version its a mess #BadassDBZBroly4Life
forget mentioning of DBZ Broly slowly destroying a whole galaxy progressively. Meanwhile DBS Broly just beat up Crabs and Spiders which made Goku and Vegeta look weaker when they couldn't even beat him in Super Saiyan God.
"Acts like a monster for no reason" Wow, I bet you didn't even watch the movie. Because if you did, you would know Broly can't control himself, especially when he goes into his Wrath Mode. Paragus even elaborates that to Frieza, you fucking idiot.
Yeah, I felt this was necessary to make, there were far too many misconceptions floating around about the original Broly. I'm always glad when I hear that another person appreciates the original Broly as well.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yes man , this video was almost like therapy bruh finally someone who Puts it all together fact after fact . There really is argument against this . You did really Well explaining your points
Personally, Original Broly will always be best! Just preferred him overall to the Super version. He seemed more memorable, was more intimidating and actually had dialogue that wasn't all screaming like Super's Broly.
@RedTygon I totally agree with you, and I would add that the original Broly's dialogue and actions actually had meaning behind, whereas all the new Broly's occurred in an enraged stupor.
To be fair, Broly had already mastered his LSSJ form, while Super Broly was implied to have never even transformed into a SSJ form before Paragus's death, much less his LSSJ form, so I can sort of understand why the latter would be a lot more feral than the original.
Yeah I never did understand the "hate" of broly, and one of the most common reason why people hated him was because he was "mindless." Like I remember him being more fleshed out than what people say about him.
I'm just going to say I believe the major factor that influenced this trend stemmed from DBZ elitists that hate anything non-canon, who ended up amassing such a large following that their opinions overwrote the fond memories of many fans (who probably haven't seen the series in years) which caused this mentality to go widespread.
@Ajax2227 You ever think that maybe you're just a mindless sheep for TFS that can't think for yourself and have absolutely no damn idea what the hell you're talking about?
You got a new subscriber man great video i always prove people wrong when people say broly is a crybaby he was like that because it was meant to to symbolic like a lot of thing's in japan they're both saiyans but they're opposites that's why in the first movie broly sensed goku and started getting mad, on top of that goku crying was the first thing he heard before being stabbed and being thrown away like trash but lets say something bad happens to you in real life while a song plays after that the song will freak you out everytime you hear it that's the same with broly and goku on top of that he does have more personal problems he went through the same thing as dbs broly but worse dbs broly wasn't stabbed and thrown out like garbage. Dbs broly isn't intelligent at all and people can't use him being on vampa his whole life, goku only knew gohan and knew how to conversate fine and was aware of what he and others were doing he just lacked social skills. The reason broly got hurt by goku was because he was concentrating to much energy and goku saved the power he got to use it in one hit, that one hit punctured brolys stomach and all of his ki was released at one time making him explode it's the same as if you were to shoot a Grande it would exploded under the pressure.
@toxicsaiyan 710 Thanks for subscribing and I'm glad you enjoyed my video. In regards to the crying scene I realized a greater meaning behind it in which they represent a young Goku's willpower (fighting spirit). Broly's strength innately breaks (silences) people; think how his legendary super saiyan transformation caused an adult Vegeta to lose his will to fight, well with Goku Broly's power failed to silence his cries thus meaning that the former could dominate his weaker opposite ie Broly's disdain for Goku stems from the fact that the latter never cowers before him, not from an annoyance of his cries.
In all fairness, even the original film implied in that flashback that Broly probably would have been a tad bit more likely to turn out nice had he not been stabbed since he was barely even crying at all, only doing so in response to Goku crying. And don't get me started on that what if story mode for Supersonic Warriors 2 where he befriended Mr. Satan.
When Broly said "how much do you love your son, Kakarot?" It showed that Broly knew how to actually threat someone. DBZ Broly was an actual DEMON. Pure evilness in Sayan form.
Fantastic vid, man. I really agree with what you said at minute seven, Broly redeemed the Saiyan race and the Legend of the Super Saiyan. Saiyans aren't nice and kind hearted, the reason why they worked so well for Frieza's conquering crusades was because on average they had the mindset of a brute, primitive grunt that loves fighting (the mentally challenging jobs such as medics and mechanics were performed by other weaker but smarter species); as showed in the Bardock movie (another great movie) were Saiyans are mostly sadistic and proud, even Bardock was cold hearted and he was one of the mentally advanced ones. Ol' Broly as the Super Saiyan, as you said, took every trademark aspect of the race and maxed it out, to a point were even the King and the King's son feared the Legend (Vegeta rightfully paralyzed in fear). The Broly movie itself brilliantly retconned the concept of the Super Saiyan Legend: After Goku turned into SSJ in Namek, the assumption was that he was the SSJ. Then Vegeta and literally everyone was a SSJ and the concept was retconned for the bad; at last, the Broly movie revealed that the Super Saiyan Legend was real, and that, in Namek, Goku forced the transformation on himself through training and struggle despite he wasn't destined to get it (highlighting the core value of struggle from DB and DBZ). The flashbacks of ol' Broly are also brilliant (him deestroying a city laughing incontrollably, he respectfully addressing Paragus the night he put the mind controller on, even through he showed no respect for him during his brutal sprees), along the ki explosion at the end really showed that Broly himself was a victim of the Legend of the Super Saiyan, made it look more like a curse. Not to mention the intimidation factor and brutal fightstyle that you explained
I actually prefer Lssj over the berserker form. The former felt more like what ssj initially was, a mythical form with power beyond measurement. That's way more badass than just another power-up.
@Dominium That's honestly a good way of putting it. A status vs a power up. Plus the idea of a berserker seems like it could apply to any race whereas a Legendary Super Saiyan can only apply to saiyans.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Exactly, the uniqueness of these forms is what makes them so great. That's precisely why they start to loose the "oomph" factor when they're effectively on a bargain sale.
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly was better. The Character was more intense and sadistic a warrior of legend. No need for a backstory it was just the idea of his existence that made him terrifying. It took 4 super saiyans (2 ascended and 2 mastered) and a fused super Namekian to fight him and he came out untouched. He was a force/freak it nature. This Broly is a joke. I don't care about his power levels, This Broly doesn't even like to fight. It's like they forgot about the Saiyans being a vicious warrior race that sent their infant children to conquer planets. Now it's about feelings. They even retconed Bardock's story. Broly (LSS) had more character than Broly (Super).
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I remember arguing with people about Broly's character on forums in the late 2000s-early 2010s. I'm so glad there are people like you who still defend Broly's character.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 To be fair that's the universe 6 saiyans, but I agree because toriyama really is toning down the franchise for one Goku's mom is literally good, Bardock having a change of heart. Old DBZ Saiyans felt far more savage
New Broly is great as a hero but is a terrible villain. Old Broly was a sadistic berserker and that's just what I prefer. Also seeing Whis dodge Broly like his attacks where nothing was embarrassing to watch and reminds me why I dislike Super. As long as OP characters like Whis exists there will never be a villain that's a threat.
Good point but DB Broly takes place after the T.O.P . Which means Broly was stronger than Jiren “was”. And Jiren was rivaling G.O.D power. So I can imagine DBS super makes their Villians eventually surpass angels
I personally like this paragus he wasn't trying to control his son he was just trying to keep them under control and keep them from destroying the planet and everything on it
It's kinda ironic how the millennials call Broly a mindless saiyan when the new Broly grows up without that knowledge that the original has. I like both but i think the original is better.
In all honesty I believe a large portion of the fandom who think the new Broly is better probably don't even remember the original all that well, as many times I've found people's memories of him have been overwritten by external influences that don't necessarily portray his character in the best lights. And yeah I agree with you on that. I like both of them, I just prefer the original more.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 uh what Of broly whole character Goku made me cry now I want to kill him. Wtf kind of character is that. Zaraki from bleach has a better story than broly did in the OG story.
@Micahl Taylor You further proved my point by referencing the crying. In Bardock the father of Goku it was that said an infant Goku had the cry of a great warrior, and the movie Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan expanded upon that concept, where Broly being the natural battle hungry warrior recognized Goku's potential through his cries, and desiring a fight Broly responded with his own. To further clarify the significance of infant Goku's crying, it had no effect on Broly, he would have ended up the way he did regardless of meeting Goku or not, this sequence was intended to symbolize their battle as both were so young neither could yet control their body. So yeah external influences probably overwrote your memories and flanderized your perception of the original Broly. By the way current actions largely overweigh increasingly irrelevant backstories. Kenpachi wasn't great because of his backstory, he was great because of what he did in the present time, and the same goes for the original Broly.
it's nice to see that someone agrees with me about broly. i feel the same way about gogeta, in the original he didn't play around in the new one he is just another vegito and it just took what i liked out of gogeta
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yo I got a reply! Of course man, i remember rewatching your my hero video like a month ago, and remembered you did a broly vid, so I did started listening to it. Thanks for the content LBA, I hope you make more stuff like this later.
@Luis Delgado Your welcome, and I'm grateful for the extra views. You may have already seen this, but recently I uploaded a similarly styled video called "Explaining Goku's Cries ..." which you might find interesting, I just thought I'd mention it since you wanted more of this type of content.
Damn this was good I agree with your analysis for the most part stuff I never thought about. Z Broly felt more a true Saiyan in his volent, callous, cruel nature. Especially one with such extreme power and hatred as him. Then it seems like they tried to make him look like a modern anime pretty boy. I forgot that he was supposed to be in the same age range as Goku.
@Jonathan Doe Thanks, I appreciate the compliment and I'm happy to have deepened your appreciation for the character. Yeah, I know what you mean by toning him down into a "modern anime pretty boy," the same happened with the main character from the reboot of Dororo as well.
They even replaced his rock and metal theme with pop music. A Saiyan who's supposed to be a force of unbridled rage and chaos and you use a song from a pretty boy band as his theme song? Sorry for the passive-aggressive response but it just doesn't sit right with me. If you like it that's cool but i was personally done with super broly after this and him being voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch. He's a good actor but this new take on broly is too soft imo ruclips.net/video/MbdISI768iY/видео.html
Keep in mind the original broly had a reason to be stronger this guy was literally blowing up planets for sport when he looked to be goku's' age while the new one was chasing bugs really
Man the whole point was that broly is what a saiyan suppost to be but to the perfection. From the legendary super saiyan form from the legend, to a warrior brutal and savage that only live to fight character.
I mean at least DBZ Broly said actual words, instead of "RAAAAAAAH! Rah! AAAAAAAGHHHHHHHH!!". And that his Legendary Super Saiyan form wasn't downplayed to just being a full powered of Super Saiyan 1
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I see. But I always loved DBZ Broly as a character, even though I didn't know much about other than he hates Goku and that he's on par with someone like the God of Destruction Beerus
You explained perfectly why Broly is an amazing villain, because, you can truly feel the sense of menace, monstruosity and unbashed evilness around him, no one could challenge him, no one could run away from him and when Paragus tried to calm him, he gouged out his eye. The whole fight on New Vegeta was just Broly wiping the floor with the main crew, and as a kid, I was seriously afraid he would have murdered them. The new Broly is cool yeah, but he totally lacks the general atmosphere of Old Broly. Like, Goku and Vegeta knew that Broly wasn't a menace so they just left the battlefield to learn how to do the fusion and they had all the time of the World, on the other hand, if they fought Old Broly, he would have either destroyed the planet or hunted them down until he found them.
@Leonardo Stefanucci I appreciate the compliment and I'm glad you found my work insightful. I think people seriously undervalue aspects like attitude, atmosphere and behavior.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 💯 facts. Recently, it seems like people like nuanced and humanized villains more and I also like them but to me what really makes a good villain are the general atmosphere he creates when he's around other characters. Two villains that do this really well are Omni man from Invincible and the Major from Hellsing (The Major is probably my favorite anime villain ).
Finally someone with a good opinion. I've kept saying it all this time that the new Broly is trash and that the old is GOAT, but explaining this to fanatics who have their heads so far up TOEI's asses is a colossal waste of time. They will always say that Goku crying being a trigger for Broly's PTSD is stupid and always say that this should've never upset Broly. Their reasoning is that a normal adult would just walk out of a room if they had to listen to a baby crying loudly for hours (so we're comparing baby Broly to an adult human, impeccable). Last time I checked, Saiya-jins remember everything from the day they're born, even as infants, which is why infiltration babies are a thing and why Goku was going to originally wipe out Earth's population, if not for head trauma, which resulted in his amnesia. In addition to that, Saiya-jins are far less emotional and kill without remorse, so why would Broly develop enough forgiveness to forgive Goku for upsetting him so much in his infant days, when he's meant to represent the primal Saiya-jin warrior? Broly haters can't understand that. They also don't understand how the whole DBS Broly backstory makes no sense and creates a whole bunch of plotholes, for example, Broly when meeting Goku and Vegeta got instantly angry at them for no reason, because Paragus told him so. Why would Broly get so angry at someone he's never connected with or met before in his life? Why does Paragus have a scar if he has kept Broly under control this whole time? The scar was a great reason why Paragus feared Broly so much in the original movie, yet in the DBS stupidity it has zero reason for existence other than pointless homage. There are many more numerous issues with the movie, but it will always get undeserved praise for things like "great animation" or "epic battles" or "it caters to the new fans of Dragon Ball (I don't understand why does Dragon Ball need this? I'd think that capturing the interest of their veteran fans would be of bigger value than new people who don't know jack about the story, but whatever. It's a great example of why Dragon Ball Super sucks - it caters to the clueless too much at the expense of veteran fans)". Modern Dragon Ball disgusts me and it makes me sad. Thank god the old series still exist.
@smaragdchaos I appreciate the compliment and funny story, I actually wrote a video on the true purpose of Goku's crying not too long ago. To summarize my points Goku's crying embodied the spirit of a great unbreakable warrior, as said by the guards stationed in his nursery, "that boy's got guts for crying in the presence of such a strong person" and Broly's innate power could break people's spirits (silence them) like how it later did with an Vegeta, but Broly's power couldn't silence/break Goku, hence why he despises him. I explain it in greater detail in my other video, but I thought I'd include this anyway. To me the Dragon Ball community used to be one of the best fandoms, but it got destroyed fragmentation (all the extra additions). Like fans of Kai (who mostly haven't seen DBZ) have to trash the original for dragging on despite the fact those were some of the best scenes. Team Four Star also inflicted major damage as their biased opinions have overwritten many fan's fond memories and lead them to parrot out what the abridged said as true.
@smaragdchaos @Lonely Boy Adventurer You guys are a blessing to the DB community, it gets seriously tiring when i have to constantly explain to these brainwashed dumbasses about the crying scene but all they say is "you're reaching" the level of denial with these people i swear lol
@Chad Grimes I appreciate your praise and all the comments that you left on my channel. What's funny is I received a "you're reaching" comment just a few hours ago on my "Explaining Goku's Cries ... " video, so that point was very accurate.
@@chadgrimes252 Well, I never thought I'd ever see one person who possibly be even more toxic than the Sonic and Pokemon fandoms combined to the point where people are called dumbasses just for having a different opinion. It doesn't help your comment is long enough to make people dizzy from trying to read it.
Everyone start bitching about Broly remembering goku since when they were babies yet in the story they say Saiyan babies have excellent memories and able to conquer planets on their own. So how tf is this a problem? I swear you can’t make this shit up 😂
@Onyekachukwu mukwumereije Good points! and funny story later on I learned that in Japan they hold a superstition that the louder a newborn cries signifies how strong-willed an adult they will grow up to be. Basically the scene itself represents how Goku's crying meant that he didn't fear the baby with a power level of 10,000 and that's what bothered the latter, not the noise itself.
Z Broly's fit was way better. Dude looked regal and zen at the same time. Like a monk with some sick bling. Then bam, he's a ruthless killer. However, I would say that Super's story was way better and interesting. But no clue why they made him look like Tarzan as a football player with the Joker's color palette..
@andrewg9107 Interesting perspective of him resembling a monk, I remember myself saying his portrayal looked like how a super saiyan god should appear.
Z Broly is just too savage and violent for Super. The whole movie felt like it had consequence and was dark compared to the new one. Too much pure unadulterated non retconned Saiyan aggression.
Tbf Moro is pretty savage and violent in the manga
@@hiyathere2168Morro is basically king piccolo in space he's boring
And that new girl friend Broly had, for a character that was originally savage to be so soft and gentle with animals and actually have friends made me irk.
The new Broly might be canon, the original Broly will always be THE ORIGINAL Broly.
@@Semi-Addict-Gamer Agreed I see what they were doing making him canon and a mainstay. I just didn't like how they did it okay idea bad execution.
@@Semi-Addict-GamerExactly i literally despise what DBS did to Broly, its the definition of "Look how they massacred my boy" but thankfully its just a new shitty version and not the actual Original Broly that i love
Finally someone with a brain. The original Broly IS Broly. New Broly isn’t bad, but the original will never be surpassed. Especially in design.
Thanks, an observation I've noticed is that fans of the original still praise the new one, while fans who prefer the new one just seem to endlessly criticize the original without really understanding (or possibly even remembering) anything positive about him.
Lonely Boy Adventurer The funny thing is, most Dragonball fans seem to love Frieza, a character who we don’t even know where he came from and is an evil dictator/murderer for no real reason other than being evil. We have no knowledge about his origins or why he behaves the way he does, yet Broly is hated for being “evil for the sake of being evil” even though we have a clear explanation for why he acts the way he does. I think the fact that Z Broly is a non-canon character is why most new Broly fans dislike him. Anything that’s not written by Toriyama is seen as a sin against Dragonball to those people.
I've always seen Dragon Ball Z as a fill in the blanks yourself / up to your interpretations series, (originating from a combination of dialogue lost in translation, anime exclusive scenes and even Toriyama himself) and that's pretty much how the fan base was up until the release of "Resurrection F", but pretty much since then a few groups have risen up and have pretty much tried to write a doctrine of What's Great About Dragon Ball, many times their points are logical ... but not always, but because they nailed a few of them that's caused many people to just adopt all of their opinions without question. Like I found at that point and time many people didn't truly remember the series, so when this new group with decent explanations came along, many fans essentially let their own beliefs be overwritten, thus creating this uniform mentality where all current trends stem from: Original Broly is bad (just a male Kale), Frieza is the best villain, canon over filler, Kai over the original anime adaptation.
Lonely Boy Adventurer I’ve felt the same way about Dragonball also. Having it being open to interpretation is what made DBZ unique. You could essentially create your own story from the missing pieces. Your point about these groups swaying the opinions of many is spot on as well. It seems that these Dragonball channels have way too much influence over the perception of certain characters within the series or what makes it good to begin with. TeamFourStar is the biggest offender(IMO) when it comes to influence and I believe they are partially responsible for the increase in hatred of Z Broly. They basically made him an unlikable idiot who could only speak in third person and now people actually believe that’s how he behaved when he was introduced even though ironically, Broly was one of the more intelligent, nuanced villains. The “goku crying” part was so focused on in that parody that everyone forgot that Broly was already naturally ruthless and unstable as a character. I’ve always felt like the crying part of Broly’s backstory was just an excuse the writers came up with on the spot to have Broly fight Goku. Without goku, Broly had a solid backstory. It’s almost like a unwritten rule that all villains have to have a grudge against Goku, never Vegeta. Nowadays it seems the general consensus of Dragonball fans is that anything non-canon or filler should be heavily criticized and lambasted for not being directly created by Toriyama. I’ve always felt like the fanbase changed for the worse in recent years.
@@genericname9994 Another reason why people love New Broly is solely because Toriyama had a role in designing him. People will hate on Toei for creating Old Broly, yet love them for creating cool filler characters like Pikkon. Meanwhile Toriyama will completely forget about characters in his own series (Launch anyone?) or completely neglect them after their character arcs are finished (Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc).
Toriyama even made up that stupid "S-Cell" stuff to make a half-baked explanation about how Super Saiyans are made. It's a complete rip-off of the Midichlorians from Star Wars, which is an extremely unpopular plot device in that series' fandom as well.
they just stripped broly of the real reason why I like him
'his savagery'
Super broly sucked.
@@ventb1305 🖕 Fuck you, they're both awesome dumbass
@@Zenith7274 Original Broly was was a charismatic savage. New broly was just sad...literally.
@@Zenith7274 not true, new Broly is good , but cliche. It's the same old boring story. Old broly at least had had character.
@@ventb1305 I guess your right, but Super Broly is still awesome and so is DBZ Broly
I like Original Broly more, He looked cool and was a shit talking savage.
Broly I love the non canon version old broly will always be better than new broly
@@elijahcleary7710 well the new Broly is proven to be stronger so I mean he has it there, but regardless I like the new one better he has a background and is more reasonable
@@dumdumlegacy3251 who the fuck cares about power scaling
@@flaccoiselite536 me nigga
@@dumdumlegacy3251 ok have a nice day
I also like the original brolys aesthetic way better he literally looks like a badass version of yugi or just a pharaoh king he just looks so much cooler idk maybe that’s just me
No your right
No no no! I completely agree with you ☺️ I love the old one too!
Nope it's just you . The OG Broly is better in every possible way . He's the only Broly for every real dragon ball fan in the world if not they're not real fans they're just little dumb kids that only watched super .
The only difference is there clothes one just has a gold necklace
Yeah, he legit looks like the God of Destruction, as he should be, because he has power to destroy the universe if he wished.
Gohan: I've had enough!!!
Broly: Not until you are dead at my feet!!
the only line broly says besides kakarot in second coming.
Goku: Give us a handicap!
Broly: Is that another word for coffin?
Old Broly is really misunderstood, this video made me appreciate him even more.
I'm glad I deepened your appreciation for him.
old broly is a probably a demon instead of an angel in dragon ball super. there are anhghels and demons.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 the thing with kid goku is he's made by akira himself based off the monkey king character from journey to the west so he is given more depth nuisance then a movie will ever give a new character...goku had to carry a story so he's going to be 3d and feel more deep than a movie antagonist..he literally gets manipulated by blooma the city girl to explore the world for her gain cause she's educated and he's a naive ignorant bumpkin so his nature worked against him...and helped her
@Asmosis Jones
I slightly disagree with your interpretation. You're correct with your dynamics: city girl, country boy, but you're wrong with your analysis of Goku. The whole point of Dragon Ball regards how homegrown common sense always prevails over the superficial (intelligence, titles, images). For instance even though Bulma may have education, she has no streets smarts and constantly falls for traps forcing her to rely on others, usually Goku for assistance and even though she may have the insight to create intricate machines, she often fails to put two and two together, like she originally intended to use the dragon balls to wish for a boyfriend, but she couldn't see that she already had everything she wanted in one in Yamcha.
I'll say this, the old broly has much better character development.
Always said the “Broly sucks because his motivation is that goku cried” was a crock of shit. It’s just a stupid meme that got too much traction. The real thing was that Broly had ptsd and seeing goku was the trigger point cus him crying that day is what connects him to that traumatizing event
Facts
That is exactly what I said but people say I'm reaching for explaining that.
@Pikamon Productions A trigger to the events that happened directly afterwards... Not the sole reason for his motivation. In real life people have triggers that is how PTSD works.
@Pikamon Productions it’s because Broly associates the crying with the trauma of his childhood. Not the crying itself. It has to do with his Psychology. It’s not too hard to understand.
@Pikamon Productions It's closer to real life then you think
Old Broly will always be my favorite out of the 2.
I agree
Same here 🔥🔥💪🏾💪🏾
Same bro
Same here man
Same
I think this new movie actually makes dumbs down Paragus' character too. In the original Paragus wasn't shown to be abusive to Broly. Just strained by his lack of control over him, both with and without the head device. Broly was shown to be a character that was hard to reason with, without the control which makes me sympathize with him in the original a bit more.
People also complain about Vegeta being terrified of Broly in the original, because they think Vegeta is supposed to be the "cool pride guy" but without it, there isn't any significance to Broly in the lore. It wouldn't make sense now due to SSB but thats again due to the overpowering of the Super characters.
Honestly besides the remote new paragus really wasn’t needed old paragus cared about broly atlest
In all fairness, new Paragus DID care for Broly to some extent. But yeah, they really toned Paragus down to some degree.
I have come to realize Super and GT levels of power aren't really that different.
@@SageOfLimitlessHands oh boy you are not even ready for the insanity of gt powerlevels, if you calculate, ssj4 gogeta's powerlevel is 60-70 duodecilion and beerus manga full power is just 20 decilion, 1. duodecilion = 100 umbrillion, 1 umbrillion = 100 decilion
@@gajendrasinghchouhan7877 Oh trust me I know just how ridiculous the GT power jumps. Basically everyone from Baby onward is a universal threat that Goku fights pretty much back to back
GT goku is ridiculous
Teamfourstar has gotten through people's minds to the point where they believe everything they say is true without actually even rewatching the movie.
@IN REGENERATIONE
Let me say this in defense for some of the fandom. From around 2007 to 2015, a number of fans including myself took a break from the Dragon Ball franchise, so when our interest in it rekindled, our unfresh memories were quite susceptible to external influences and I think Teamfourstar's content (probably unintentionally) overwrote many people's memories of the series, and let me say that had their work been released years earlier, when Dragon Ball was still fresh in many fan's minds, I think more fans would have resisted the Teamfourstar narrative.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 This defense doesn't applies all the time. I've met many that actually didn't watched or read the entire Dragon Ball or movies yet had formed opinions just by what other people said. GT hate is a great example of this.
@Dukke agreed a friend of mine was unfortunately one of the people that got mislead by the TFS version of the Broly movie he never even watched the original movie until like two months ago when i told him the truth about the OG Broly. And as for GT i'll never understand the hate for that either GT gave us so many memorable moments, Sagas, Cool Villians e.t.c the internet just loves to spread negativity for whatever stupid reason
@@chadgrimes252 Unfortunately it's a very common scenarion on the Dragon Ball fandom: Many fanboys who can't bother to go form their own opinions.
I don't even watch Abridged anime. And even if I did, after watching DBS Broly I have no desire to rewatch any of the Z Broly movies, especially Bio Broly.
I've always seen Broly's obsession for Goku as some sort of PTSD. I mean, Goku was literally crying while Baby Broly was getting shanked to death... That'd of course trigger some serious trauma.
It is!
It is a naturalistically shown PTSD!
That's what's making him so brilliant!
That’s reaching and it’s just relying on head canon
Is this and more. Unfortunately not many people understand how PTSD and mental association works.
@@Alecfisher01 No it is not. It is literally what happens in the movie. Other than fanboy claims that he hates Goku because Goku cried which was not once stated nor implied in Japanese. Only that his presence reminded him of that memory and that it resurfaced Broly's Saiyan instincts. Broly never even was said to hate Goku in the movie while Paragus in Japanese literally say that he AND Broly hate Vegeta. So the crying itself did not cause hatred but was psychologically completely different. That is not reaching, it is just what happened.
@@Cetra29 Facts💯
What people don't realize is that if it wasn't for the Original Broly, this new one wouldn't exist at all. In the past, they created new characters like Garlic Jr, Dr.Wheelo, Turles, Lord Slug, Cooler, Android 13,14,15 and Super 13, Broly, Bojack, Janemba, Tapion and Hirudegarn. Today they can only make a Remake of something that has already been.
Exactly at this rate they might reboot more things only to ruin it in the process, Classic Super
Bruh RoF should have been a cooler remake.
With the same personality though.
Saiyan scholar has a video about dbs and why it's bad.
@@chadgrimes252 damn, DB is almost like these American franchises that are constantly being rebooted 😅
Even all those DBZ movie villains were basically copies of original DB struggles.
Garlic Junior - (A succesful) Pilaf
Turles - (Saiyan Saga) Vegeta: Saiyan invader
Slug - Demon King Piccolo: Evil Namekian wishing for his youth back
Cooler - Frieza: evil space emperor done in by a SSJ
Android 13-15 - Android 16-18: 3 androids hunting for Goku
Super Android 13 - Cell: Android becoming perfect by absorbing the power of 2 other androids
Janemba - Majin Buu: Playful regenerating chubby turning buff (+Dabura's sword)
Hirudegarn - Majin buu: destructive sealed monster released by an old alien wizard
Broly is arguably the most original, and even he looks alot like Trunks when he went Ultra against Cell.
(Actually, Wheelo is probably the most original. Though he did have -Saibamen- Biomen)
fianlly a comment Section thats Grateful to how demonic the original Broly was he was just a awesome iconic character especially when you think about introducing a new saiyan
Honestly, backstory wise he is shit. Concept wise, I love him.
@@limptoast Z Broly have maybe the best backstory in Dragon Ball.
@@SuperSaiyanDate it was stupid but enjoyable and it kinda fits dbz comedic style
@@JonP1245 amazing.
Everything you've just wrote - is wrong.
@@SuperSaiyanDate damn😞
I like my broly overpowering, savage and brutal. The new Broly is not bad, I would love to have a good Broly as an addition to the DBZ fighters.
I think Dragonball excels with simplicity, black and white, and insane levels of brutality.
@@noisemarine561 yeah that’s why I loved dbs broly it had that old simplicity that dbz had.
The OG Broly is a savage that can destroy an entire galaxy
The new Broly can destroy a multiverse 😊
@@terarrian9310
Not a multiverse. A universe most likely
@@z-man1237 Dude, Goku literally stated that Broly is near Beerus level.
And Broly was going up against SSJB Gogeta, who can literally destroy hundreds of thousands of universes.
You are stupid as crap, shut up.
@@maxdrags3115
That would mean Broly is as strong as whis or jiren. Which is a big NO
@@z-man1237 I never said that?
No one ever implied that?
Jiren alone is far above Beerus, and Whis is far above Jiren.
But, with that being said, considering how fast Broly can grow in power, he should be able to reach the power of Jiren and MUI Goku in no time with his Legendary SSJ power.
Original broly is not just the perfect example of a saiyan but he is the perfect legendary super saiyan
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I agree, wholeheartedly. Broly isn't supposed to be kind; he's supposed to be evil, twisted and sadistic. He should be the embodiment of portraying the true personalities of the Saiyan race. But in the new movie, a fuckton of stuff have been retconned. A waste, to me.
In truth I'm not against the new Broly, I just feel he lacks the impact of the original. I believe the new one is good, but the original is legendary and when someone tries to reboot a legend, the final product generally can't live up to its basis.
OG Broly is untouchable but what made the New Broly special is he is canon which means Akira Toriyama is very much aware of Broly’s fandom from someone else’s creation as fillers of the DBZ era making a Canon Broly to be a part of the DBS universe. The new Broly wasn’t intended to be a cold and sadistic villain but a victim to be used as the strong opponent of Goku and Vegeta. I appreciate both versions the way they are but you can never question the creator’s decision on how he wants a different Broly in his story.
I feel like Old Broly is great and New Broly is great, but the both of them compliment each other. OG Broly in his base was never in control, most of his actions were monitored and he was forced to act in a passive way. He was a sadist who loved to watch others suffer at his own hands, and reveled I'm the fact he is the one who caused it. Current Broly's true nature is a gentle giant, who wants nothing more than to be at peace with his loved ones. This personality is only exhibited in his base, though, and when he transforms he loses control of himself and ends up doing things the real him would find deplorable. They're quite literal opposites in almost every sense of who they are and what they represent, and yet these two conflicting personalities can serve almost the exact same purpose when viewed at surface level.
Not necessarily, Paragus made the same argument in the original film that broly could be an asset to king Vegeta’s forces and that it was a misunderstanding, old broly was also pretty misunderstood.
You DBS Broly was also everything the saiyans are, but that's not exaclty character development. Plus, the saiyans have no chance to develop because of Frieza.
Great video man. Always preferred the Og broly and felt the story had more teeth to it. It actually made more sense in terms of the overall saiyan lore. The new broly felt like it was just shoehorned in the super timeline and retconned certain aspects of the saiyan lore that didn't need changing.
@CXRSED
Glad you enjoyed my video and what you said is a good way of putting. I might also add that they forced a Broly in because they knew it would garner instant success.
It’s was a combination of metal, badass lines and big muscles that caught me as a kid and still my top list of badass characters ever
I have one thing to say, DBS Broly is a softy while the DBZ Broly is the freaking devil himself.
That's one thing I see not too many people taking into account when judging the Brolys, the aura of them, which is one of the reasons why I prefer the original because he exudes the sense of a monster, nothing can escape his grasp, and nothing can stop or damage him. Whereas with the new Broly everything about him is outright telegraphed, Cheelai said something along the lines of "[New] Broly's just a little boy who was manipulated by his father", so essentially the originally Broly is defined by his and the new one is built on by the description of others, and since I think actions speak louder than words, I therefore believe the original is better. I probably got a little too wordy.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033
Don't worry I get that way too, and just saying. I would say DBZ Broly would of been a better choice for a T.O.P contender, especially destroying those weak universe 6 saiyans. I mean a no death rule is absolutely stupid, I'd rather have death come to the pointless characters AKA the universe 6 saiyans IMO. And why I keep saying that is cause the introduction of other universes is stupid, we didn't need them then and we sure as hell don't need them now. Super is just stupid since there are no consequences, while other chapters of Dragon Ball actually had death to the evil threats. And plus, people complain about the Old Broly yelling all the time while New Broly yells throughout the new movie. Here is why the Dragon ball Fans are biased, anything made by Toriama is automatically loved while anything made by someone else is hated immediately. DBZ Broly would of been a better suited G.O.D than Beerus due to Broly destroying the weak while Beerus just destroys when he doesn't get his way.
SJ Garman “what did you expect! Form a true freak!
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I do enjoy Old Broly being like an unstoppable force of nature versus New Broly being akin to a socially awkward man-child. He's like kid Goku but far less interesting.
@@sharkt9877 I expect the devil, not a freaking softy!
Another thing that separates Broly's design from other DB characters, is the color of his Ki.
Sure Cell had green glow once or twice, but over all, Broly (both DBZ and DBS) is the only one with actual green energy attacks and aura. Like we have seen an entire rainbow of blue, yellow, red, white, purple, orange, and pink attacks, but no one else has green.
Goku:You mind giving a handicap.
Broly:It's that an other word for coffin!!
That moment when you like the video before even watching the video based on the title.
I'm glad to hear that, though I hope you still enjoyed watching it too.
PS for some reason your comment got filtered into the "likely spam" folder, either way I approved it, so it's visible now.
Broly: kakarot how much do you love your son?
Finally. I’m tired of people say new broly is more fleshed out. He barley spoke
Cool I'm glad to have said an opinion you've been wanting to hear.
BubbaWubba - The Old Broly is more dangerous and bloodthirsty, but new one is still more human though. Both Brolys were kinda relaxed in their base, the Z one would've been that way if he never met Goku.
@@taylorsanada3180 that's one big problem with s broly. He isn't a human but act like one which kinda kills the idea of being the legendary Saiyan
GRAAAAAAAAAAAA
@@San-jx1zd I can say this thing, but I don't think you don't have to be evil and deadly to be a LSS. DBS Broly is still dangerous character if messed with or his friends.
Late to the party.
Thank you for this video.
I agree with you 💯 %.
Original Broly was more sadistic, vicious, and calculating than New Broly.
New Broly had an increase in power scaling. However, he was neutered personality wise.
And I love the look of Original Broly in his SSJ2+ form.
When I think of what a Legendary Super Saiyan would truly look like, Original Broly, design wise, is what I envision.
@Lucas Garrett
Better late than never, you're welcome and I'm glad you enjoyed my video. Yeah, so many try to say Z Broly had no personality, even though the new one who they refuse to criticize has almost none whatsoever. I agree with your statement on the design of Legendary Super Saiyan too.
Oh, and you forgot to mention that when Super Broly goes Full Power, it doesn’t look that much different compared to his SSJ1 form. He already had white eyes as a SS (which for me didn’t feel right) and he was already bulky when he Transforms. As for Z Broly, when he transforms into LSSJ, you could tell right away what the difference was compared to his SSJ1 form
Good point, the greater difference between the base and legendary super saiyan form definitely bolsters the aura of intimidation for Z Broly.
No that was legendary. Remember this: if a saiyan transformation includes a green/yellow hair colour change for lssj1-3, a change of background colour, the dude gets more bough and the pupils disappear it’s legendary.
@@Nice_Person7379 Since when we Legendary Super Saiyan 2 and 3 a thing outside of video games and fan content?
@@AlphaWolfShade Broly Lssj2 exists in the card game,search for Lssj2 Broly.
Finally some love for Z Broly love both Brolys but Z Broly attire and backstory are better to me than Super Broly
I'm happy to have done it and I'm glad you enjoyed my video.
The back story of new Broly is definitely better
I agree DBZ Broly was better in every way his Design, Character/Personality and his backstory was leagues better it was the real complex story. The new reboot story is as simple as 2+2 and it isn't even a good backstory either
A broly who actually has social skills
Thank you, their are actually people who actually understand the original broly story. They should’ve put the original Broly in hell, should’ve never messed with his story. He could’ve been a god of destruction since he was what a true saiyan was which was “WICKED”. Original Broly could’ve been used later on in the series or something, I mean, look what they did with Frieza, he starting to change. They messed the original broly up bad and his story. And they messed up everything else now to, making the saiyan race which were evil sadist tyrants into soft hearted people. That new broly movie made everything non canon and tweaked the original DBZ storyline. They could’ve re used him for the universe tournament, could’ve had goku and vegeta go to hell and get him for the tournament to defend universe 7 and I know they could’ve have re used him because goku and vegeta were stronger than him at this point, broly was still on ss3 level but, you know people don’t think outside the box. Akira Toriyama messed up a good character and they didn’t even use Vic mignogoa to voice Broly, it wouldn’t be the same without him. 😔
To be fair, hints of Super Broly's characterization were actually already starting to show as early as Supersonic Warriors 2, so I wouldn't necessarily say original Broly would have already been a devil anyways (heck, Goku showed more potential at being a warrior via his crying than Broly did based on the medics statements, and let's not forget, Goku originally was shown to be very wild and less than an ideal kid, and in fact, amnesia was the ONLY reason he had a pure heart at all.). And I personally didn't mind either version, to be honest. Super or Z, he was a great character, and even before Super, I actually wished Broly could have gotten the help he clearly needed (the guy was clearly suffering from PTSD from being stabbed at the order of his own race's king and then nearly being atomized by Frieza. I don't think I CAN blame how he turned out from that) and even become a good guy. He definitely would have made an invaluable ally to the Z-Fighters had he become good, that's for sure.
Also, they DID use Vic Mignogna to voice Super Broly. Unfortunately, that was the last time he was allowed to voice the character thanks to that stupid Kick Vic campaign that, ironically enough, Goku's voice actor was involved in. And for the record, Broly's replacement VA deserves chops for one thing: He DEFENDED Vic and called out everyone who got Vic kicked out.
ALL THESE LANGUAGES AND YOU DECIDED TO SPEAK FACTSSSS💯🔥
Honestly if the intention of this new version of Broly was to mirror Goku, there should have had a scene where he looks at Cheelai asks her why her chest is so, round, different, etc from his. Naturally she'd slap him across the face for that but then it will lead to Cheelai learning about how LITTLE Broly knew about anything outside Vampa. That is right in line with everything Dragon Ball.
They could of done that more
The only thing about the new Broly I like is his design, but the old Broly is overall better because he had character, he was a straight up Savage and shit talker with no feelings instead of a mindless brute who’s only good for berserk mode!
*gets triggered by a baby crying*
@Ajax 2227 oh look we got one of those TFS brainwashed sheep over here 🐑 keep baaaing your lack of intelligence isn't gonna change our minds from the truth
Z Broly attire looks better to me Suoer Broly looks too much like hulk with the green and purple but my favorite thing about super Broly was his oozaru form that form was badass especially when he transformed and rag dolled Goku God red lol
I liked both. Actually, I even consider Super to be what Z Broly COULD have turned out like had King Vegeta not gone all King Herod on him. And that's actually backed up by certain what if scenarios as well (specifically, the one in Supersonic Warriors 2 where, after the events of his debut movie, Broly ended up getting amnesia and ended up having a similar characterization to his later Super rendition. Oh, and he gets redeemed, relents on his desires for revenge on Goku for Mr. Satan's sake).
@@chadgrimes252 To be fair, Gohan had a very high power level for his age (high enough that Raditz was initially in disbelief when seeing its power level in his scouter), and he ultimately turned out alright. I'm pretty sure that with the proper training, Broly probably would have turned out similarly, LSSJ powers or not. Granted, he might have still been insane ultimately, but he could have been insane yet ultimately good. Like Raiden from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance for example, or more specifically his Jack the Ripper identity. Or even the Creeper from the DC Justice League.
I also suspect his wiping out most of the galaxy was actually more of Paragus's doing than Broly himself (since the beginning of the film DID have King Kai reacting with sadness and horror at the South Galaxy being destroyed as if it just recently happened, and considering this occurred during the Cell Games Saga where the Z Fighters were about to fight Cell, that would have been too long for Broly to do so especially given King Kai's reaction [if anything, King Kai would have arranged for Broly to be dispatched a LOT sooner if it were his own doing and not being under the effects of that crown.].). Now, that said, there were maybe one or two planets Broly himself was definitely responsible for destroying, don't get me wrong (the flashback more than made that clear), but again, just from the flashback, it was only one or two planets, and we know Broly was put under mind control fairly early on due to Paragus not getting his moustache yet when he put it on him. And let's not forget, the flashback DID make clear Paragus ultimately DID get drunk off of Broly's power after outfitting him with the device. Heck, if anything, considering his vendetta against Vegeta, I wouldn't be surprised if Paragus after outfitting Broly with the crown DID actually use him to blow up the galaxy specifically as part of his plan to lure Vegeta into a trap. I also suspect Broly's attack on the Shamoians was also after being outfitted with the crown, especially considering one of them DID recognize Broly in his base form, while he was still wearing the crown (and why would Paragus enslave the Shamoians afterward if it was before Broly got outfitted with the crown? Afterwards, it at least made sense due to him needing to set up the trap for Vegeta, and part of it entailed trying to make New Planet Vegeta LOOK like the original, hence the slave labor).
Dude i just watched the original Z broly movie, and you literally described all my favorite points about Broly. The way he destroyed the alien planet saying "I bet you dream of going back there one day... well its just a dream!" And then how he calls goku goku instead of kakarot after that kamehameha blast.... was so diabolical
@dragonballaihighlights
Glad you agreed with my points; they were some of my favorite scenes as well.
Originally, Broly never called him "Goku". It was a translation error in the English Dub. In the Japanese version, Broly calls him "Kakarotto" all the time. Today Funimation already has the original Japanese translation, in those years they had their own, where they made many mistakes that they no longer admit to.
@@Soyuchiro i dont speak japan
@@Grownupbobbyhill I know, but that's what the subtitles are for. Then you know you're watching the real version, not a made-up one
Crazy how 3 years later you made me realize my love for the original broly clouded my judgment of the new one . That’s probably why I haven’t rewatched the new one . I didn’t get that same sense of OP that I did with the original . The scene in the first one where he jumped in the air and repeatedly came down on Goku creating a big ass crater in the ground . No character has EVER made Goku scream like that
@Get Em Detric
I'm happy I could help you to understand why you enjoyed the original, and I appreciate you telling me this, it makes my day.
Didnt expect this, looking foward to hearing what you have to say
cool, hope you enjoy it
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 im not gonna lie, i thought this new broly was much better then the old one but you actually made me feel conflicted as to which one i prefer more. Despite loving old broly i had forgotten how good he was so thank you for reminding me
Finally, someone who gets it!
@Realt_gaming ?
It's ironic how people frame Z Broly as a supposed mindless brute with no personality when his Super counterpart is _far_ closer to that description. DBS Broly is so overrated I swear....
But I have to say, this is a quality video. You clearly have great understanding of these characters. You get my subscription.
@Dominium
I actually uploaded this video cause I thought the blatant irony had to be addressed. Thanks, I appreciate the compliment and the subscription.
I 100% agree!
“Poor Goku…..Still not comfortable with the idea of dying”….
OG Broly was a beast!!!💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
What a lesser version of me.
The first Broly movie is fascinating, and I imagine it was made this way because at the time, the protagonist of the anime and the one who was going to defeat the main villain was Gohan, so in order not to lose or take the role of Goku as the protagonist, the story was done this way, let me explain. In the movie, Paragus states that "Now I remember that Broly and Kakarot were born on the same day", as we know, Toei made Broly to fill-in the plot-hole that, originally, the legendary super sayayin was born every 1000 years. If Broly and Goku were born on THE SAME DAY, this means that they are both the legendary super sayayin of the legend, an extremely important detail that unfortunately always goes unnoticed by fans. When we see them as babies, one of the nurses says that although Broly was born with 10,000 units of power (lmao), Bardock's son cries more, so he has "more guts", then Paragus mentions that "Fate has made sure that this duel becomes a great disaster!", the duel that had already been predisposed by destiny and that Goku has chances of actually winning, and Broly knows this, hence his hatred for Goku. When Broly and Goku meet for the first time, they stare at each other and a shot of Broly's green ki and Goku's yellow ki opens, and they both have the same feeling towards each other, the same RIVALNESS. The legend has two realms, the mystical-magical side (every 1000 years) and the physical side (the legendary ki of green nature). Goku and Broly have a dualism, but they are still two sides of the same coin; Broly was born extremely powerful and evil, while Goku was born a low-class warrior, but he is pure-hearted. The story tries to tell us that Goku, being the good one, has fate on his side and ends up being the winner, by putting inside Broly the little energy that everyone had left in order to make him explode by himself and this is where a shot of them as babies finally opens up to us again, with a light on them, the same light of destiny that we see again on them as adults. In the end, Goku ends up being the winner of the match. This is how I have always interpreted the film since I was a kid, and it is a pity that it is not given the recognition it so rightfully deserves by the community and there is this misconception that Broly hated Goku just because he cried a lot when they were babies. That idea only came out in the second movie, completely shitting on the original idea. This is because Broly's story should only have been the first movie, but Broly was too popular for his own good. The cliche that Broly hated Goku for "stupid reasons" and just yelled KAKAROOOOT! is a stereotype imposed by the two subsequent films and the videogames.
@José Miguel Casanova Linares
I agree with everything you said, and building off of the line of "more guts" in the country of Japan, an infant with a loud cry represents willpower and that they will be a strong person as an adult. As evidence google Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival. Broly as a character likes to break the spirit slash willpower of others, think how his legendary super saiyan transformation actually rendered an adult Vegeta speechless. So, Goku's endless loud crying as an infant meant that Broly couldn't intimidate Goku into silence and that idea carried on to them as adults, where Broly through energy recognized Goku's great strength.
I actually wrote and uploaded a follow-up video to this concept, if your interested.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I didn't know about that festival, I'm gonna have to search that up! I actually wrote my own video on my channel "No Filter Films", is in spanish however, but I recommend you turning on the automatic subtitles which are correct for the most part. Glad to see we are spreading the word all around the community, everyone needs to know this! Gonna check up your follow-up video. And yeah, that's why I love the fact that when Goku gives the final blow to Broly, a flashback of them as babies cuts one more time, kinda like saying just as Goku made Broly cry as a baby or just as the weak imposed himself over the strongest, once again destiny gives Goku the upper hand and he ends up winning!
Thanks for your answer!
Fun fact: Didn't know if you knew, but the original japanese track when Broly and Goku have their first encounter is called: "The Destined Clash!"
@José Miguel Casanova Linares
No problem, I enjoy communicating with people like yourself. Interesting information regarding the Japanese ost. One thing I might also include how destiny essentially repeated itself as adults: a knife pierced Broly as an infant, Goku's fist penerated him in a similar way to land the fatal blow; the infant Broly escape an exploding planet Vegeta, but as an adult the destruction of the new planet Vegeta ultimately consumed him ... or at least until the sequel forced him to survive.
I asked this in response to another comment of yours but in case it got lost in the messaging system I thought I'd ask this here to, but can you comment on one of my videos from your "No Filter Films" channel, preferably as a reply to one of your comment chains, so me and anyone else reading this can easily find it.
Something i'd like to bring up that people say that broly should hate vegeta more than goku because of what his father did and should have focused more on him but its likely he was more interested in fighting than revenge. As a saiyan he is naturally inclined to violence and has an inborn desire for battle and testing his mettle against strong opponents so a battle against some of the stongest fighters in the universe(at the time) most of them being saiyans (super saiyans in fact) is a once in a life time opprotunity he wouldn't pass up for anything. Especially as he only has a limited amount of time to do so and since Vegeta lost his will to fight before broly got started he probably thought he wasnt worth his time and went about fighting everyone that fought him and was so dissapointed that he had beaten all of them so quickly that he decided he would just flat out kill them until piccolo showed up and healed everyone. Broly also has shown that he has respect for goku and the others as in the original sub he says " Knowing that you have no chance of victory yet still go on to fight me? Truly you are worthy of your saiyn blood!" Whereas for Vegeta he does show that he certainly does hate him because by the time he does join in the fight broly focuses only on vegeta batting trunks aside to get to him, mocking him, putting forth the effort to actually oneshot him, taking the time to humiliate him by teasingly pushing his face into the side of a cliff, calls him worthless garbage, and throws him aside like trash into a chasm to meet his fate beaten and broken on a doomed planet (sound familiar) while he goes back to having fun. On that note has anyone noticed he is probably the only one actually having fun in this movie as that maniacal smile almost never leaves his face and spends a good chunk of his screen time laughing while beats everyone up ( like when he turns goku into a human trampoline giggling like a little kid) and he purposely drags out fights so he can enjoy them as long possible ( this hubris actively eventually bites him back) so it makes it seem as if he is actally having the time of his life more than anything. Also i dont see why people call him angry most of the time. Sure he is pretty intense when he's in combat but he seems pretty softspoken and almost laid back in the lulls between fightscenes as he casually trades banter between piccolo, goku, and vegeta
You listed so many great points, Yeah, I noticed the enjoyment on Broly's face as well. Your comment made me wanna check out the sub of this movie too
That's because Vegeta's family are the indirect reason why Broly became psycho and Paragus becoming wandering nomads.
This video speaks the truth they took a good villian and made him a sad buff guy.
A frequently heard insult of the original had him called a "big baby", while the new one literally carries around a safety blanket. I don't hate the new Broly, it's just that the vast majority of the original's criticisms apply more to the new one.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It's not really a safety blanket, more of a memento to his first real friend (a better comparison would be something like Big Boss's usage of The Boss's bandana from the ending of Snake Eater up to the first ending of Peace Walker). But I can sort of agree with your point. Still like both versions, though (and if you ask me, the Super version was how Z Broly would have turned out had King Vegeta NOT stabbed him. I'm sorry, but the guy barely even cried, only did so when Goku did. I simply cannot see the original Broly even having the ambition to overthrow King Vegeta pre-stabbing, 10,000 BP or not. Ironically, Goku pre-amnesia probably would have come closer to actually BEING a threat to King Vegeta eventually despite his 2 BP precisely BECAUSE of the latter's intense wailing, based on what those medics stated.).
old broly is a menace instead of being a simp like new broly
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Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!
THIS is the reason why his trigger expanded!
It was adressed directly in the movie - when Broly is hearing Goten's cry and on the verge of waking up from a coma (he was asleep for 7 years), he is haunted by flashbacks of his defeat and wakes up because of those!
Broly trick-shotting the Shamoian's planet solidified him as the best DB villain
I agree somewhat I prefer classic broly but modern broly is still interesting it would be cool to strike a balance between both interpretations of his character a sort of middle ground and make him not quite evil but not completely good either slightly sadistic and ruthless while still retaining somewhat a gentle side
People that hate Broly for some reason like Kid Boo because he has a personality. Assuming that Broly himself doesn't have one. Bio Broly, a clone, has no personality. Broly from Z actually has one.
The thing I loved about the old Paragus is that at the beginning he loved Broly, but over time, he had to learn how true the claims of King Vegeta was and went as far as brainwashing his own son. Paragus was actually a very proud father in the original movie and a pretty good villain too.
To add to the destiny part of the original Broly, as Vegeta once said during his first encounter. Strong Saiyans are treated better than low class Saiyans. But the movie took the opposite concept. Because Goku was so weak, he was sent to earth and learned under various martial arts including Gods. With his desire to protect others that are dear to him, he eventually defeated the man who destroyed his entire race.
While Broly was born too powerful that he became a thorn in King Vegeta's eyes, thus he ordered the execution of Broly. It is implied that Broly is likely associating the pain of the attack with the knife with Goku's crying.
It was also satisfying when Goku won at the end, because while Broly had power, power is all he had.
There is another character that used the chest blast like Broly.... and it's female Broly which is a bland rip off of Broly which in her normal form is some shy girl.
hey toguru
@@levithedrip8538 hey
@@levithedrip8538 toguro is lame overrated character togashi improved himself with HXH
@@dinogt8477 disagree but hxh is good tho
@M3rtyville i always found that hilarious i even saw a guy in the comments on a OG Broly video saying "Janemba should of been Canon not Broly because he has no personality and just yells KAKAROT" like wtf? 🤣Janemba doesn't even have personality and this is coming from someone who likes Janemba he's cool i like him but he doesn't talk or have a personality. This just goes to show that OG Broly haters are braindead idiots that has no idea what they are talking about
Dragon Ball Z portrayed Saiyans so much better than Dragon Ball Super
@Thel Vadam
Agreed, the saiyans of Z were battle hardened warriors that deserved every bit of their strength, whereas those of super were just a bunch spoiled brats with inflated power levels.
I love the new Broly, but I will always stay with The OG Broly! Old Broly is a true carnage beast! OG BROLY FOR LIFE!
@BAZI BAZAKA
Same here! Both are great, but the original is better.
OG Broly is a madlad. Super Broly is a mad lad.
There is a difference.
20:05
Correction - original Broly NEVER was hating Goku.
Literally.
That's wasn't happening in any movie except for Z 10 where he lost his consciousness because of the coma and the only thing that was driving him to live is a subconsciousness memory of his infant times.
In Z8 Movie - the only thing that cry was all about is it was so deep subconsciousness tic in Broly's head, that the voice of Goku was able to awake Broly's mind.
THAT'S IT!
Broly NEVER had any "hatred" towards Goku any time at all!
The only thing Broly did to Goku more than to other characters in that fight - was a line "Kakarotto, you'll going to be first to be killed", and Broly's play on Goku's feelings towards his son in this one line "Kakarotto, are you love your son?", what is a natural thing for him to do, to play on someone's feelings when he sees a weak spot, he was doing the exact same thing to all others.
THAT'S ALL!
IT NEVER WAS ABOUT ANY SPECIAL "HATRED" TO GOKU!
Broly just dislikes Kakarotto a little more than others because of a tic, because of associations - BUT HE WASN'T SPEFICIALLY TARGETING HIM OR HAD ANY SPECIAL FEELINGS TOWARDS HIM!
In the Z 10 Movie he was MENTALLY BREAK! This tic from his infancy AND the fact that Goku made such a hard wound on him - THOSE were the things provoking him to continuosly chasing anything similar to Goku! He literally wake up from a 7 years coma and is not cognitive, so the only thing that was driving him most of the time BECAUSE of that is a tic AND the memory if his defeat from Goku's hands, with only a slight clearings of dying mind!
Modern and western fans are really have almost no understanding of Broly (and Sroly either). Completely.
Facts
Lssj Broly acknowledged Goku as a worthy opponent in original dbz and saiyans themselves are built to fight he was fully cognitive and had the best dialogue and the most important thing was he was savage . Whereas in his mind control form he was pretty retarded. It's exactly opposite in dbs broly.
Lonely Boy Adventure you are a legend for making this video you are the reason why I haven’t gave up on humanity
Great analysis! I'm glad someone with a brain for once has a different viewpoint on the original Broly as I honestly feel like that version of him was misunderstood. I like new Broly as well but I prefer the original for various reasons. I honestly feel like if the animators of the original Broly movie explained the motivation behind Broly's hatred for Goku better than it wouldn't have just came off as Broly only hating him because of Goku crying in the same room with him as infants to a lot of people.
@Raimundo
Glad you enjoyed my video and I'm happy I could be that different viewpoint. Let me say "misunderstanding" the original Broly is an understatement after something I realized after uploading this video, I'll attach a previously written comment below explaining.
"I actually wrote a video on the true purpose of Goku's crying not too long ago, my [seventh] most recent upload. To summarize Goku's crying embodied the spirit of a great unbreakable warrior, as said by the guards stationed in his nursery, "that boy's got guts for crying in the presence of such a strong person" and Broly's innate power could break people's spirits (silence them) like how it did with Vegeta as an adult, but Broly's power couldn't silence/break Goku, hence why he despises him. I explain it in greater detail in my other video, but I thought I'd include this anyway." Since then I even learned an additional fact that the country of Japan celebrates a festival known as "the Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival," which even further supports my claim as they hold a contest to find the baby with the loudest cries.
Bro I just realised, Broly got the *Kratos* treatment:
The stablished, misinterpretated iconic character, who was stigmated as a raging, mindless brute, is teared down by critics, in order to elevate the new, kinder, calmer and "more fleshed out" version.
Of course, until ACTUAL fans disprove those critics with deep, well constructed and dedicated videos like this one.
@solracstormhunter3023
Thanks for the compliment, before I settled on making anime related content, I actually considered writing a video on that very topic with Kratos.
I noticed that for a while now too and i find it ironic that i've seen RUclips videos for both of them titled "Nobody Understands Z Broly" and "Nobody Understands Kratos" i don't do youtube videos but i honestly been thinking about making one single video for both OG Broly and OG Kratos someday because both of them are my favorite characters and this new trend with these fanbases thinking the new versions are superior while the OG versions are one dimensional is just straight bullshit and isn't true at all. These people literally call any character that has an aggressive character trait with rage "One Dimensional" (like critics of OG Broly and OG Kratos) and somehow any character that is a goody two shoes that does no wrong they immediately call them "Complex and deep" (New Broly and New Kratos for example) i see such a nonsensical pattern with their claims its ridiculous its as if Anger or aggression is somehow seen as a One dimensional trait to them for some reason, I know for a fact all these critics are full of shit and i'm glad i came across others these past few months that see the BS too
@@chadgrimes252 If you want to do the video, I'll say if you can do it for your own satisfaction, go ahead, but if you go into it expecting recognition or the praise of others, I'd advise not to, as writing these types of videos can be very time consuming; putting it to paper is an entirely different story than just thinking it up in your head, besides that too if it's your first video, don't expect it to gain attention.
You might have read this already, but a few months back I debated someone basically saying villains can't be well written if they experience "character development" and don't reform themselves into good guys, so yeah I know what you're talking about.
On a different note I'm currently working on a list of my favorite 100+ videogames, God of War (PS2) included, now I don't know how much I'll break down with it, but I'll at least say, I think most people will at least get something out of it.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033Thanks for the advice man and yeah it would 100% be for my own satisfaction if i ever get around to making it because i'm honestly not the type of person that does specific things to get praise especially if it means following a hive mindset that i don't agree with, I know for sure if i ever made the video a fair amount of people would disagree since its the "Popular opinion" nowadays in these fandoms to believe OG Broly and OG Kratos doesn't compare to the new shitty versions that these people think is better but it is what it is we both know people got brainwashed into believing this nonsense, i'm looking forward to the video game list but 100 of them? Damn an i thought i'm the one that has long term memory lol i could only name like over 10 or 20 games that i like, Highly doubt i could name 100 at the top of my head, i'll try to name some of my favorite games while thinking at the moment
no specific order btw, plus i may add more than one game to a number or just name the franchise by itself that i love
1.) God Of War (Only the 6 Original GOW games on PS2, PSP and PS3)
2. Street Fighter
3. Mortal Kombat
4. Tekken
5. Need For Speed Underground/Most Wanted
6. Jet Li Rise To Honor (This game is such a underrated gem for PS2, i had a blast playing this as a kid with my big brother)
7.) GTA 4 (Roman Calling: "Hey Lonely boy Adventurer wanna go bowling?" Lmao i had too🤣)
8.) Battlefield Bad Company 2
9.) Midnight Club LA
10.) Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3/Tenkaichi 2 & 3
11.) Splinter Cell Conviction (Got a special love for this one, It introduced me to the Splinter Cell Franchise and honestly one of the best games i ever played, i Spent hours on Conviction without getting bored its too good)
12.) All Smackdown vs Raw games
13.) Soul Calibur Broken Destiny (OG Kratos as a playable guest character💯💙)
14.) Capcom VS SNK 1 & 2 (Simply Childhood at its finest💯 a classic)
15.) Just Cause 2
16.) Street Fighter X Tekken
17.) WWE 2k14
18.) Marvel vs Capcom
19.) Guilty Gear XX Access Core Plus
20.) Jak and Daxter
Its more but this is all i can recall at the moment
19:45 on top of all that, Paragus doesn't just forget about his grudge against Vegeta, the movie takes away most of agency completely. In the original, it's 100% Paragus' plan to trick Vegeta and eventually attack him, in this movie, it's all Frieza and Paragus just goes along with it. The movie totally ruins Paragus
I completely agree with you.
You're 100% right, Super Paragus was utterly useless that movie ruined practically everything.
DBZ Paragus was a mastermind he will always be better and his plan on getting revenge was way more genius it almost worked too until Trunks and the slaves exposed him but i love how when vegeta is terrified of finding out the Legend is true how Paragus keeps rubbing salt in his wound the entire time his character is amazing in the first movie plus the way he tells Broly's Backstory gives me chills no matter how much times i watch those scenes "He was a true warrior born with the strength and clout that would make most saiyan fathers proud but there was something far darker about him, violent, threatening and in time it began to scare me"
DBZ Paragus>>>>>>>Super Paragus
40:20
It's just sad how much Dragon Ball is turned into a memes it claimed to be and never was in actuality.
I think teamfourstar is somewhat responsible for this and made some damage to Dragon Ball, maybe not much less than Funimation's damage even.
I think Toryiama just not caring anymore did most of the real damage. I don't care what Toei and friends say Super is non-canon it has so many contradictions with even the original Manga not just the anime added stuff. For example Freiza remembers Bardock in the Manga when he meets Goku. Which doesn't make sense if the Super Movie is canon since Bardock should be just another small speck millions of miles away on a planet about to be blown up along with an army of Saiyans. In Z it made sense because he rushed Freiza alone knocking down a lot of his fodder
@@cyberninjazero5659 Is not Toriyama not caring. Is more Jump and studios forcing him to keep writting. Toriyama wanted things to end on the Freeza Saga but then Jump fprced him tp create the Cell saga. He had to change his villains all the time cause editor didn't liked the previous villain he made. Then they wanted him to keep going and make the Buu saga where he'ld pass the torch to Gohan but fans wanted Goku. The man had a clear goal and stop point, but people forced him to keep writting and didn't even let him write what he wanted... It's understandable if, at some point, he just stopped caring
Thanks for this video. I seriously blame Team Four Star and the newer Dragon Ball fans for the misconceptions and also, the fact they base their evidence on clips and not even watching the original media in its entirety.
When I was younger and reading Archie comics and old anime, To me, Goku vs OG Broly = Super Sonic vs a more deranged and psychotic Super Scourge.
Goku vs New broly = Sailor Moon vs a dumb and somewhat poorly written Sailor Galaxia.
My apologies if you didn't understand but I meant that Dbs broly is not as good as OG broly
@@alphonsejohnson5601 All good man. I get what you mean
@Malus Phillips
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed my video. Adding on to your comment I think the abridged version overwrote many older fan's fond memories, so now they're misremembering their own because of Team Four Star's (usually biased) influence.
Apologies for responding so late I've just been busy lately.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Agreed but it's funny that all they have to do is just go rewatch the original but they don't want to do that.
I watched the 1st Z Broly movie start to finish. At least twice. And I feel no different. Hell, I was kinda worried when I heard of a new, canon, Broly movie, yet I have watched it at least 3 times more than the Z movie. Hell, one day after I finished it, I watched it again immediately afterwards.
A lesson on, you can never replace or fill in for the original creator.
Super just feels like fan fiction with hundreds of recolor and what if
I didn't like the new Broly at all.
Original Broly is my favorite DBZ villain.
The same people who this Original Broly was just a mindless angry idiot with no depth or emotion are probably the same who think Original Kratos was a mindless angry idiot with no depth or emotion.
People need to stop thinking that bad person means a bad character.
I think it has to do with this new generation of media. Where everything needs to be spelled out to people.
Its like saying Tony Montana is a bad character.
@Legion Iscariot
One of the earliest videos I considered making was going to be about how the old God of War games were more complex than the overly praised new one.
With the new generation, I more so believe they're parroting their influences rather needing everything spelled. In addition to I quite often find that they never even experienced the original media. I should also mention that a lot of channels like Teamfourstar through their own biased opinions overwrote many peoples' fond memories which heavily swayed the perception. With God of War (2018) I'm just gonna say its developers/publishers paid people to regurgitate how the new one was so much deeper than the old ones as sort of advertisement/marketing scheme.
@Legion Iscariot Because the new generation doesn't form their own opinion because they're brain dead. That's why they can parrot what they're told because they can't think Them selves even though you're proving them wrong with solid evidence.
You got some literally repeating the atrocious crying argument literally on this comment section of the very same video that explains it
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033i actually hope you do that video in the future about Old God Of War being better because all i been seeing in comments lately is the modern God Of War fans calling OG Kratos "A one dimensional Angry man" and saying the new GOW actually gave him depth i seriously don't get how this generation doesn't seem to understand that just because a character all of a sudden becomes a goody two shoes Wise Oak doesn't mean that the Original is bad and has no depth. OG Kratos is a tragic Character that became who he was due to circumstances and getting screwed over by the Gods but these new fans just seems to think he's a character that kills everyone for no reason, i highly doubt they played the old God Of War games
@Chad Grimes
Defending Z-Broly as well as the original God of War, I swear every time I see you comment I'm liking you more and more. I have some ideas on how to go about with that video, such as comparing it to the just as poorly written the Last of Us 2 and Hitman: Silent Assassin, but I still just feel like I'm missing that certain element to make it my own.
Right now the AAA video game industry is going through a phase of appreciating bad clichéd art that lacks any subtly whatsoever and overly favors "character development" (I'm pretty sure a few days back you read this same topic of mine under a different comment chain.) I'm not calling the new God of War totally mindless or not artistic, but it's only a step above the surface level (easy to recognize) and what makes it worse regards how the actual art goes over the heads of the pretentious critics, leading them to view it as shallow.
In terms of making this video I honestly can't say whether I'll get to it or not, because with me I have so many topics to write about that I don't if I can ever get to them all or at least at the level of quality I wish to maintain. On a positive note after I finish the project I'm currently working on, I'm likely to work on two consecutive DBZ videos, I though you might like hearing that.
I thought I was the only one who loved DBZ Broly, glad to know there's others 👊
@Chris Goris
I'm happy to have helped you see there's others. What's funny is not too long ago I actually received another comment leaving this same message.
Trust me, if DBZ Broly was truly that hated, he would NEVER have received nearly as many appearances in the games and other media as he did.
DBZ Broly is literally the most Impactful DBZ movie villain the majority of the fanbase does love him including us so you're not alone man, the haters are just the vocal minority
Dbz broly is on a whole another level than the super one
In characteristics, yes
@@taylorsanada3180 yep
@Enes ye super broly is a giant little kid while z broly is like a bully
@Enes mhm
@Enes z broly the real legendary super sayian
"Goku, how much do you love your son?"
In simple words, old Broly is masculine. New Broly is neurotic.
This is such an awesome video dude, i'm glad i ain't the only who thinks Broly (DBZ) is an awesome character. i can't believe for 28 years people still don't get about DBZ Broly's character, people really misunderstood about how they found Broly's hatred of Goku is dumb because he made him cry and that's make him a stupid worst character? There's more than just making him crying folks, If you look closely at Broly's perspective, he blames Goku for ruining his life by being executed from King Vegeta and being a laughing stock to the other Saiyans, and it makes sense due to him yelling Kakarot and do you know why he yells Kakarot a lot, he yells at his name because he will never forget that a low class warrior like Goku deserve to live but a powerful Saiyan like Broly gets executed and make him suffer with PTSD for decades, that's why i always found Evil Broly interesting and he always was.
And most of all, Broly hating on Vegeta really doesn't make sense from some folks claim to be because Vegeta have nothing to do anything with Broly at all, it was King Vegeta's choice to execute and exiled Broly not Vegeta, i find that really stupid for Paragus to hate on Vegeta just because he's KIng Vegeta's son, it doesn't cut out for me, even Vegeta said to himself in the DBS Broly movie quote "Don't be ridiculous, this isn't my business"
But everything you said about the Super Broly movie was spot on, i watched the movie in the movie theaters, i love it but i was a bit disappointed because i hate now these days were everything needs to rebooted, Toriyama said that he will give a new take on the character and hope it won't disappoint the fans, Not to bash Toriyama in anyway but he kinda did, i just think it was unnecessary because Broly is already a great
character, i wish he made DBZ Broly canon and just continue his story and maybe explain why Broly is The Legendary Super Saiyan and why he is who he is, I've just want him to dive deep into his backstory and maybe explain his take of why Broly really hates Goku but to me it's definitely gotta be Broly hating Goku so much because he blames him for being executed since that's why Broly remembers everything because he does have PTSD since people with PTSD tend to remember the tragic events that happened to them in the past, and sometimes they're anger gets the best of them.
Thanks for the compliment and I'm glad you enjoyed my video. I will say when it comes to the canon of Dragon Ball, it honestly doesn't matter to me many of my favorite scenes from the franchise were entirely comprised of filler.
I will add that the crying serves as a completely different significance than what everyone thinks, as it represent Goku and Broly's first clash. In Bardock the Father of Goku a scientist stated that Goku had the cry of great warrior, which Broly instinctively recognized, so Goku's cries at Broly represented him challenging the infant born with a power level of 10,000 for who's the stronger saiyan.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yeah no wonder Goku was crying a lot, even when you said that Broly is naturally evil, i also can say that the day Broly was executed did play a roll into his personality though,meaning he was more than just your typical savage Saiyan, he's a psychopath who is just hungry for massacre, Broly was just asking himself like what did i do to deserve this you know,it's pretty obvious he suffered PTSD and Major Depression and other mental illines, DBZ Broly deserves better, but i just think Toriyama changed Broly's character just for the sake for canon timeline i guess but DBZ Broly Movie 8 does make sense since it takes place before The Cell Games so they had like 5 days to train before facing Cell so this Broly would have made the Broly movie way better, Broly will always be the best DB villain in history
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Let me add that many people have no idea that the final form of Broly from DBS is non-canonical. Akira Toriyama re-creating Broly for the DBS Movie said Broly would not be as muscular as old Broly anymore. So the final DBS form of Broly is a normal SSJ that has no eyes anymore. In this movie, Broly was supposed to become just an SSJ, but Toei-Animation's Animator added an extra makeover for Broly, which was based on Broly from DBZ. Gogeta was originally only supposed to fight Broly SSJ in this movie as per Akira Toriyama's expectations
@@Soyuchiro Personally found Toriyama's idea to be stupid, and honestly, kudos to the animator for fixing that. I mean, seriously, if he's just going to be an SSJ, then what was the point of Kale?
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Agreed, though it's also likely PTSD factored into the equation as well. Though I'm not sure if OG Broly necessarily cared initially if either he or Goku were the stronger Saiyans. Heck, the fact that he barely even cried in the first place ironically enough DID imply he might have probably been gentle hearted had it not been for him being stabbed (and I also noticed something else as well: In the scene where it shows Broly about to be stabbed, just before being lifted up by the leg, he actually seemed to be sleeping calmly despite Goku crying next to him, implying he was actually starting to get used to the crying to some degree).
Thank you. I tried making a video like this myself, but you explained it in far greater detail. Thank you. I'm so glad I'm not alone. I really DON'T like new Broly.
Glad it helped and your welcome. If you do decide to make the video feel free to use some of my arguments; the more people to present this side of the debate, the better.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I already made the video. I used similar arguments to yours, but I did it with less detail and in a shorter time. Yours is better, and I'm glad it exists.
The Chad Dbz Broly vs The Virgin Dbs Broly:
The Virgin Dbs Broly:
-Baby body with scars
-Had a Powerlevel of 920 as a kid
-Is a violence hating hippie
-got whooped at his first day
-can't even talk
-got controlled by a simple necklace for dogs
-acts like a monster with no reason
-has no lssj form
-defeated by gogeta
-has no character even with development
-is not even a villain
-hyped for a half year
-Aaaaaargh
-nearly died on earth
The Chad Dbz Broly:
-No weapon can scar his body
-Powerlevel of 10 000 as a baby
-Destroys everything bc he can
-made vegeta cry and shit his pants
-has Over 9000 badass quotes
-couldn't get controlled by many different crystals and emeralds
-is a devil not a monster
-has infinite power as the legendary super saiyan
-only defeated by plot and bad writing
-never heard of character development but still awesome
-most terrifying Villain ever
-hyped to this day
-KAKAROOOOOOT
-survived a planet explosion as a fking baby
@Broly Legendary Super Saiyajin
Great summation. The original Broly was an alpha male, silverback, giga chad. I would add to your list on DBS Broly "needs a security blanket (Ba's ear)"
@Broly Legendary Super Saiyajin
Fucking glorious 💯 i'd add the fact Daddy's boy couldn't open a damn bottle and tried eating a hershey chocolate with the wrapper on lmfao i really don't get what people see in this shitty reboot version its a mess
#BadassDBZBroly4Life
forget mentioning of DBZ Broly slowly destroying a whole galaxy progressively. Meanwhile DBS Broly just beat up Crabs and Spiders which made Goku and Vegeta look weaker when they couldn't even beat him in Super Saiyan God.
"Acts like a monster for no reason" Wow, I bet you didn't even watch the movie. Because if you did, you would know Broly can't control himself, especially when he goes into his Wrath Mode. Paragus even elaborates that to Frieza, you fucking idiot.
@@milesstorzillo7650 Be friendly or go.
you are spittin straight fax nice that someone agrees!
Yeah, I felt this was necessary to make, there were far too many misconceptions floating around about the original Broly. I'm always glad when I hear that another person appreciates the original Broly as well.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yes man , this video was almost like therapy bruh finally someone who Puts it all together fact after fact . There really is argument against this . You did really Well explaining your points
Personally, Original Broly will always be best! Just preferred him overall to the Super version. He seemed more memorable, was more intimidating and actually had dialogue that wasn't all screaming like Super's Broly.
@RedTygon
I totally agree with you, and I would add that the original Broly's dialogue and actions actually had meaning behind, whereas all the new Broly's occurred in an enraged stupor.
To be fair, Broly had already mastered his LSSJ form, while Super Broly was implied to have never even transformed into a SSJ form before Paragus's death, much less his LSSJ form, so I can sort of understand why the latter would be a lot more feral than the original.
Yeah I never did understand the "hate" of broly, and one of the most common reason why people hated him was because he was "mindless." Like I remember him being more fleshed out than what people say about him.
I'm just going to say I believe the major factor that influenced this trend stemmed from DBZ elitists that hate anything non-canon, who ended up amassing such a large following that their opinions overwrote the fond memories of many fans (who probably haven't seen the series in years) which caused this mentality to go widespread.
Team four star’s abridged broly movie pretty much sums up the issue with broly
To quote abridged Vegeta “he’s literally a giant f*cking baby”
@@Alecfisher01 you're wrong. It's not that Broly is evil because he heard Goku's cry. He is evil simply he was born that way and he enjoyed it.
@Ajax2227 You ever think that maybe you're just a mindless sheep for TFS that can't think for yourself and have absolutely no damn idea what the hell you're talking about?
@@Alecfisher01 You are a perfect example of a Z broly hater.
You got a new subscriber man great video i always prove people wrong when people say broly is a crybaby he was like that because it was meant to to symbolic like a lot of thing's in japan they're both saiyans but they're opposites that's why in the first movie broly sensed goku and started getting mad, on top of that goku crying was the first thing he heard before being stabbed and being thrown away like trash but lets say something bad happens to you in real life while a song plays after that the song will freak you out everytime you hear it that's the same with broly and goku on top of that he does have more personal problems he went through the same thing as dbs broly but worse dbs broly wasn't stabbed and thrown out like garbage. Dbs broly isn't intelligent at all and people can't use him being on vampa his whole life, goku only knew gohan and knew how to conversate fine and was aware of what he and others were doing he just lacked social skills. The reason broly got hurt by goku was because he was concentrating to much energy and goku saved the power he got to use it in one hit, that one hit punctured brolys stomach and all of his ki was released at one time making him explode it's the same as if you were to shoot a Grande it would exploded under the pressure.
@toxicsaiyan 710
Thanks for subscribing and I'm glad you enjoyed my video. In regards to the crying scene I realized a greater meaning behind it in which they represent a young Goku's willpower (fighting spirit). Broly's strength innately breaks (silences) people; think how his legendary super saiyan transformation caused an adult Vegeta to lose his will to fight, well with Goku Broly's power failed to silence his cries thus meaning that the former could dominate his weaker opposite ie Broly's disdain for Goku stems from the fact that the latter never cowers before him, not from an annoyance of his cries.
Litterly broly acts nothing like a saiyan at all like what the hell hes just sweet and nice!? Goku wasn't even like tht he had to fall off a mountain
In all fairness, even the original film implied in that flashback that Broly probably would have been a tad bit more likely to turn out nice had he not been stabbed since he was barely even crying at all, only doing so in response to Goku crying. And don't get me started on that what if story mode for Supersonic Warriors 2 where he befriended Mr. Satan.
When Broly said "how much do you love your son, Kakarot?" It showed that Broly knew how to actually threat someone.
DBZ Broly was an actual DEMON.
Pure evilness in Sayan form.
The wording and deep analysis reminds me of a full blown English analysis that my teacher would have me do lol
I'll take that as a compliment and I hope you enjoyed my class.
Fantastic vid, man. I really agree with what you said at minute seven, Broly redeemed the Saiyan race and the Legend of the Super Saiyan. Saiyans aren't nice and kind hearted, the reason why they worked so well for Frieza's conquering crusades was because on average they had the mindset of a brute, primitive grunt that loves fighting (the mentally challenging jobs such as medics and mechanics were performed by other weaker but smarter species); as showed in the Bardock movie (another great movie) were Saiyans are mostly sadistic and proud, even Bardock was cold hearted and he was one of the mentally advanced ones. Ol' Broly as the Super Saiyan, as you said, took every trademark aspect of the race and maxed it out, to a point were even the King and the King's son feared the Legend (Vegeta rightfully paralyzed in fear). The Broly movie itself brilliantly retconned the concept of the Super Saiyan Legend: After Goku turned into SSJ in Namek, the assumption was that he was the SSJ. Then Vegeta and literally everyone was a SSJ and the concept was retconned for the bad; at last, the Broly movie revealed that the Super Saiyan Legend was real, and that, in Namek, Goku forced the transformation on himself through training and struggle despite he wasn't destined to get it (highlighting the core value of struggle from DB and DBZ). The flashbacks of ol' Broly are also brilliant (him deestroying a city laughing incontrollably, he respectfully addressing Paragus the night he put the mind controller on, even through he showed no respect for him during his brutal sprees), along the ki explosion at the end really showed that Broly himself was a victim of the Legend of the Super Saiyan, made it look more like a curse.
Not to mention the intimidation factor and brutal fightstyle that you explained
Couldn't have said it better myself. Great point with calling LSSJ a curse.
Thanks, I really like your video, it deserves much more views, is really deep
I actually prefer Lssj over the berserker form. The former felt more like what ssj initially was, a mythical form with power beyond measurement. That's way more badass than just another power-up.
@Dominium
That's honestly a good way of putting it. A status vs a power up. Plus the idea of a berserker seems like it could apply to any race whereas a Legendary Super Saiyan can only apply to saiyans.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Exactly, the uniqueness of these forms is what makes them so great. That's precisely why they start to loose the "oomph" factor when they're effectively on a bargain sale.
People saying dbz Broly is dumb are dumb themselves
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly was better. The Character was more intense and sadistic a warrior of legend. No need for a backstory it was just the idea of his existence that made him terrifying. It took 4 super saiyans (2 ascended and 2 mastered) and a fused super Namekian to fight him and he came out untouched. He was a force/freak it nature. This Broly is a joke. I don't care about his power levels, This Broly doesn't even like to fight. It's like they forgot about the Saiyans being a vicious warrior race that sent their infant children to conquer planets. Now it's about feelings. They even retconed Bardock's story. Broly (LSS) had more character than Broly (Super).
Actions speak louder than some gaudy backstory.
Yeah they turned a race of battle hardened warriors into a bunch of scrawny noodlely armed teenagers.
OG broly was so evil that he need to be contained not only to rule he universe but to actually save the universe too
THIS VIDEO! Old broly (Original Broly movie) is WAY better than people remember.
@Paradox²¹
Yup, and I also have to say many external factors contributed to people misremembering.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I remember arguing with people about Broly's character on forums in the late 2000s-early 2010s. I'm so glad there are people like you who still defend Broly's character.
Dbs destroyed dragonball and the Sayajin race.
They turned the saiyans into a bunch of scrawny noodly-armed brats, and rewrote Broly to fit every misconception about the original.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 To be fair that's the universe 6 saiyans, but I agree because toriyama really is toning down the franchise for one Goku's mom is literally good, Bardock having a change of heart.
Old DBZ Saiyans felt far more savage
New Broly is great as a hero but is a terrible villain. Old Broly was a sadistic berserker and that's just what I prefer. Also seeing Whis dodge Broly like his attacks where nothing was embarrassing to watch and reminds me why I dislike Super. As long as OP characters like Whis exists there will never be a villain that's a threat.
@ChaoticDarkness
... And then Super had to go and add 11 more Whis, but yeah I see what you mean.
Good point but DB Broly takes place after the T.O.P . Which means Broly was stronger than Jiren “was”. And Jiren was rivaling G.O.D power. So I can imagine DBS super makes their Villians eventually surpass angels
The original will always be better
Facts
I personally like this paragus he wasn't trying to control his son he was just trying to keep them under control and keep them from destroying the planet and everything on it
Same goes for dbs broly, both broly’s can’t control their power and are both a danger to entire planets
Then Broly became a true killing machine someone who actually enjoyed his work
Finally I'm not the only one who's seeing this
It's kinda ironic how the millennials call Broly a mindless saiyan when the new Broly grows up without that knowledge that the original has. I like both but i think the original is better.
In all honesty I believe a large portion of the fandom who think the new Broly is better probably don't even remember the original all that well, as many times I've found people's memories of him have been overwritten by external influences that don't necessarily portray his character in the best lights.
And yeah I agree with you on that. I like both of them, I just prefer the original more.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 uh what Of broly whole character Goku made me cry now I want to kill him. Wtf kind of character is that. Zaraki from bleach has a better story than broly did in the OG story.
@Micahl Taylor
You further proved my point by referencing the crying. In Bardock the father of Goku it was that said an infant Goku had the cry of a great warrior, and the movie Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan expanded upon that concept, where Broly being the natural battle hungry warrior recognized Goku's potential through his cries, and desiring a fight Broly responded with his own. To further clarify the significance of infant Goku's crying, it had no effect on Broly, he would have ended up the way he did regardless of meeting Goku or not, this sequence was intended to symbolize their battle as both were so young neither could yet control their body.
So yeah external influences probably overwrote your memories and flanderized your perception of the original Broly. By the way current actions largely overweigh increasingly irrelevant backstories. Kenpachi wasn't great because of his backstory, he was great because of what he did in the present time, and the same goes for the original Broly.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 nah your reading to much in to it. It nothing that deep.
@@mikethepokemaster2012 that’s not a counter argument
it's nice to see that someone agrees with me about broly. i feel the same way about gogeta, in the original he didn't play around in the new one he is just another vegito and it just took what i liked out of gogeta
Same here, I'm always glad to hear from a like minded person too.
Came back here to watch this again. Video is still absolutely correct.
@Luis Delgado
I'm happy to see you back and that you thought my content was worth a second viewing.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yo I got a reply! Of course man, i remember rewatching your my hero video like a month ago, and remembered you did a broly vid, so I did started listening to it. Thanks for the content LBA, I hope you make more stuff like this later.
@Luis Delgado
Your welcome, and I'm grateful for the extra views. You may have already seen this, but recently I uploaded a similarly styled video called "Explaining Goku's Cries ..." which you might find interesting, I just thought I'd mention it since you wanted more of this type of content.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 thanks man, yeah I’ve seen it I’ll be sure to listen to it today during workouts.
Damn this was good I agree with your analysis for the most part stuff I never thought about. Z Broly felt more a true Saiyan in his volent, callous, cruel nature. Especially one with such extreme power and hatred as him. Then it seems like they tried to make him look like a modern anime pretty boy. I forgot that he was supposed to be in the same age range as Goku.
@Jonathan Doe
Thanks, I appreciate the compliment and I'm happy to have deepened your appreciation for the character. Yeah, I know what you mean by toning him down into a "modern anime pretty boy," the same happened with the main character from the reboot of Dororo as well.
They even replaced his rock and metal theme with pop music. A Saiyan who's supposed to be a force of unbridled rage and chaos and you use a song from a pretty boy band as his theme song? Sorry for the passive-aggressive response but it just doesn't sit right with me. If you like it that's cool but i was personally done with super broly after this and him being voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch. He's a good actor but this new take on broly is too soft imo
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@@Helaow I agree this Broly no doubt seem softer and less cool all around.
@@HelaowFacts💯as far as i'm concerned Super Broly isn't even Broly its just a cheap copypasted bootleg version of him #NotMyBroly
Keep in mind the original broly had a reason to be stronger this guy was literally blowing up planets for sport when he looked to be goku's' age while the new one was chasing bugs really
Man the whole point was that broly is what a saiyan suppost to be but to the perfection. From the legendary super saiyan form from the legend, to a warrior brutal and savage that only live to fight character.
@panagiotis panagiotou
Yeah, people focusing on the minor details caused them to miss the entire point of his character
I mean at least DBZ Broly said actual words, instead of "RAAAAAAAH! Rah! AAAAAAAGHHHHHHHH!!". And that his Legendary Super Saiyan form wasn't downplayed to just being a full powered of Super Saiyan 1
@Ryu Fuzen
I have no idea how the point about the original Broly's dialogue gets so often overlooked in numerous debates.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I see. But I always loved DBZ Broly as a character, even though I didn't know much about other than he hates Goku and that he's on par with someone like the God of Destruction Beerus
You explained perfectly why Broly is an amazing villain, because, you can truly feel the sense of menace, monstruosity and unbashed evilness around him, no one could challenge him, no one could run away from him and when Paragus tried to calm him, he gouged out his eye. The whole fight on New Vegeta was just Broly wiping the floor with the main crew, and as a kid, I was seriously afraid he would have murdered them. The new Broly is cool yeah, but he totally lacks the general atmosphere of Old Broly. Like, Goku and Vegeta knew that Broly wasn't a menace so they just left the battlefield to learn how to do the fusion and they had all the time of the World, on the other hand, if they fought Old Broly, he would have either destroyed the planet or hunted them down until he found them.
@Leonardo Stefanucci
I appreciate the compliment and I'm glad you found my work insightful. I think people seriously undervalue aspects like attitude, atmosphere and behavior.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 💯 facts. Recently, it seems like people like nuanced and humanized villains more and I also like them but to me what really makes a good villain are the general atmosphere he creates when he's around other characters. Two villains that do this really well are Omni man from Invincible and the Major from Hellsing (The Major is probably my favorite anime villain ).
broly was the 1st dragon ball character i ever saw and i loved him witch is why old broly and goten are my fav characters
@bestking74
A fan at first sight. I'm glad he could resonate with you so deeply.
Finally someone with a good opinion. I've kept saying it all this time that the new Broly is trash and that the old is GOAT, but explaining this to fanatics who have their heads so far up TOEI's asses is a colossal waste of time. They will always say that Goku crying being a trigger for Broly's PTSD is stupid and always say that this should've never upset Broly. Their reasoning is that a normal adult would just walk out of a room if they had to listen to a baby crying loudly for hours (so we're comparing baby Broly to an adult human, impeccable). Last time I checked, Saiya-jins remember everything from the day they're born, even as infants, which is why infiltration babies are a thing and why Goku was going to originally wipe out Earth's population, if not for head trauma, which resulted in his amnesia. In addition to that, Saiya-jins are far less emotional and kill without remorse, so why would Broly develop enough forgiveness to forgive Goku for upsetting him so much in his infant days, when he's meant to represent the primal Saiya-jin warrior? Broly haters can't understand that. They also don't understand how the whole DBS Broly backstory makes no sense and creates a whole bunch of plotholes, for example, Broly when meeting Goku and Vegeta got instantly angry at them for no reason, because Paragus told him so. Why would Broly get so angry at someone he's never connected with or met before in his life? Why does Paragus have a scar if he has kept Broly under control this whole time? The scar was a great reason why Paragus feared Broly so much in the original movie, yet in the DBS stupidity it has zero reason for existence other than pointless homage.
There are many more numerous issues with the movie, but it will always get undeserved praise for things like "great animation" or "epic battles" or "it caters to the new fans of Dragon Ball (I don't understand why does Dragon Ball need this? I'd think that capturing the interest of their veteran fans would be of bigger value than new people who don't know jack about the story, but whatever. It's a great example of why Dragon Ball Super sucks - it caters to the clueless too much at the expense of veteran fans)". Modern Dragon Ball disgusts me and it makes me sad. Thank god the old series still exist.
@smaragdchaos
I appreciate the compliment and funny story, I actually wrote a video on the true purpose of Goku's crying not too long ago. To summarize my points Goku's crying embodied the spirit of a great unbreakable warrior, as said by the guards stationed in his nursery, "that boy's got guts for crying in the presence of such a strong person" and Broly's innate power could break people's spirits (silence them) like how it later did with an Vegeta, but Broly's power couldn't silence/break Goku, hence why he despises him. I explain it in greater detail in my other video, but I thought I'd include this anyway.
To me the Dragon Ball community used to be one of the best fandoms, but it got destroyed fragmentation (all the extra additions). Like fans of Kai (who mostly haven't seen DBZ) have to trash the original for dragging on despite the fact those were some of the best scenes. Team Four Star also inflicted major damage as their biased opinions have overwritten many fan's fond memories and lead them to parrot out what the abridged said as true.
@smaragdchaos @Lonely Boy Adventurer
You guys are a blessing to the DB community, it gets seriously tiring when i have to constantly explain to these brainwashed dumbasses about the crying scene but all they say is "you're reaching" the level of denial with these people i swear lol
@Chad Grimes
I appreciate your praise and all the comments that you left on my channel. What's funny is I received a "you're reaching" comment just a few hours ago on my "Explaining Goku's Cries ... " video, so that point was very accurate.
@@chadgrimes252 Well, I never thought I'd ever see one person who possibly be even more toxic than the Sonic and Pokemon fandoms combined to the point where people are called dumbasses just for having a different opinion. It doesn't help your comment is long enough to make people dizzy from trying to read it.
A lot of the people hating on Old Broly need to rewatch the original Broly movie IN JAPANESE. His character is a bit better explained
Everyone start bitching about Broly remembering goku since when they were babies yet in the story they say Saiyan babies have excellent memories and able to conquer planets on their own. So how tf is this a problem? I swear you can’t make this shit up 😂
@Onyekachukwu mukwumereije
Good points! and funny story later on I learned that in Japan they hold a superstition that the louder a newborn cries signifies how strong-willed an adult they will grow up to be. Basically the scene itself represents how Goku's crying meant that he didn't fear the baby with a power level of 10,000 and that's what bothered the latter, not the noise itself.
Z Broly's fit was way better. Dude looked regal and zen at the same time. Like a monk with some sick bling. Then bam, he's a ruthless killer. However, I would say that Super's story was way better and interesting. But no clue why they made him look like Tarzan as a football player with the Joker's color palette..
@andrewg9107
Interesting perspective of him resembling a monk, I remember myself saying his portrayal looked like how a super saiyan god should appear.