Best SONG STRUCTURE Advice I Ever Learned
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2020
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Wassup Aliens! Today we're gonna learn about song structure and how to map it out in ableton. We'll cover different parts of the songs as well as how to learn from your favorite songs. Enjoy and please be sure to like & subscribe. Thanks!
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You’re spot on about studying other producers tracks. When I went to Berklee for electronic music we studied so many other producers and genres. It’s not about stealing someone else’s music, it’s about concepts and patterns. Keep up the great work!
Brendon Brownfield yes exactly...referencing songs for every step of the way is a huge teacher...and exactly it’s not about copying or stealing it’s about understanding the blueprint in front of you
just about making it dj friendly
its no different that musicians learning cover songs, its the same thing, big name artist do it all the time, people would be shocked to know how many hits they love were based off of other hits from other artist, saying it is stealing is people that have no idea
I definitely agree. What is wrong with utilizing a template?
There's a dj course at Berkeley?
i had to come back to this tutorial because i recently read steal like an artist and it all just resonates together
Thats how creativity works. Nobody is original. The act of creativity is reacting to what we already observed. Human creativity nature.
track referencing is a powerful tool
As a DJ, who cues up song structure for a living, I’m going to say that song structure is a LOT less unique than people think it is. Your technique here makes perfect sense.
I seriously think refferencing is one of the most underrated aspects of music prodution
This actually reminds me of the Confucian principle of learning:
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest”.
At least with the first two it matches your ideas through studying your favorite producers’ techniques and learn to apply the best of them all on your own tracks.
I’m happy to find this
I really agree with the "this isn't stealing" part and how you get more out of studying other pieces of art.
Look at what other people are doing, and then use it as a base to cut your own path and do similar things, but in your own way
There's no reason for everyone to invent their own wheel
Very nice comment
this concept is so simple…and yet so GENIUS. I literally learned how to play metal riffs by learning metal songs. So many different techniques alongside creativity, and now I can basically touch a guitar and create classic metal, death, black, or thrash without much difficulty (even without “thinking” sometimes). Lately, I’ve been learning sound design but still not 100% on the structure even though I listen to lots of dubstep, MAKING IT, is another beast. This will def help. Thanks for including all the examples!
NICE!! its about breaking your ego. It breaks your heart when you go back and forth from a really well mixed song to the early stages of your song. But that is what forces you to learn not only how to respect other artists but also to always keep breaking your own rules. Love this video man. Also I would send the reference track out directly rather than the master. lol
I've been fiddling around with production for like 2 years now. Kind of hit a plateau and felt hopeless... but since i've found your tutorials i feel like i've been making breakthroughs in one way or another with every video.... keep doing what you do, you're an amazing teacher and have shown me a lot of " no shit" kind of tips. Much love brother
"People study music... thats why they go to school." Taking us to school right now. So much gratitude.
In all traditional musical genres it's standard, even expected to learn to play the biggest songs. Especially in jazz, knowing a decent selection of standards is one of the primary benchmarks of competency, and using existing melodic and rhythmic elements in one's original compositions, called quoting, is a time- honored tradition that graciously nods to the lineage and the greats.
And in EDM, every generation of DJs has used originals and remixes of classic to very intentionally throw back to classics as it suits the set.
It's only reasonable that producers do the same. Old heads are happy when we take pages from the past cuz that's how we honor the bedrock of the culture and keep it alive 🎉
Very useful tip. I've been doing this to create arrangement maps of different tracks I like. It really speeds up the composition process, as it gives you an overview of where you are actually heading. Nice one.
Pretty helpful! Every time I've done this technique I've learned a lot about where sounds sit inside the mixdown as well. Thanks Ahee!
Thank you for making one of the most overlooked and difficult parts of producing for beginners, easy to understand and work with. This is truly the game changer I've been needing. You've inspired me to go hard with my time spent producing now. Thank you AHEE
I've been doing this for years on my own, mapping out and analyzing the structures of my favorite artists songs and you're right, this is THE way to grow and learn so much faster. After seeing that other people are also doing it just like me I guess I feel vindicated. It's not stealing, its studying. Every trade, skill, and artform does their version of this. If you want to be one of the best you have to learn from the best!
Ive just started taking music production seriously about a month ago. I've been really enjoying making my own music from scratch on a daily basis but I did notice how slow and sluggish my workflow was and how fast I would end up hitting a brick wall in the middle of creating a song. This tutorial has been the single most helpful thing I've come across. Thank you so much AHEE you've instilled a new sense of inspiration and creativity in my soul! 😭🥺❤ I'm defs headed to your bass canyon set in August! 👽
There is nothing wrong with using a song map to help structure and finish tracks at all. There are geniuses in writing and arranging songs, then there’s the rest of us. Salute to all of us who use this technique.👊🏾
Thank you for the tutorials AHEE! They are incredibly refreshing, informative & empowering. Thank you!
I'm so glad you made a video on this strategy because I personally do this a lot and it helps soo much. But also because there is a huge community that is super against it saying that it is "copying" or "stealing". Which it's not at all. It is in my opinion, one of the best and fastest ways to learn how to structure and build a song. I just started producing a little over a year ago and at first, tried to make everything on my own, and failed. Then I tried this strategy several months ago and I have learned so much more, so much faster! Anyways, I just found your channel and I wanted to say, you've got some great tips and content that are really helpful!
lol those people that say that are wack. hell deadmau5 startred that way, and he flat out said take the shit and learn it that way. i heard him say it! i also took his masterclass, and he basically said the same thing three, thats how he startred
You're the man! Love your videos! Thanks a bunch!
This song is dope :) Excited to hear it in full! And thanks for the video. Gave me some great ideas and inspo.
Thanks for going over sick/illest alien. love that tune
Yeah, doing this arrangement exercise (got that term from ill.gates) has really been helpful in getting me outside of the loop phase, it's really a great way to progress and even just see how the flow of your favorite tracks could have contributed to why they're your favorite.
A Bunny VTuber same problem...
Your camera setting are perfect dude ty
Man, thank you so much for this advice! It's such a good approach, because it gives you the bones/framework for you to play and be creative withinn. Plus, it's a great way to study and expand our knowledge through other artists. Lol, I'm excited!
Very helpful. You're a great teacher man. Love all of your content and music.
Nice! Very helpful. I’m definitely going to start using this technique. Thanks brotha man!
Amazing tutorial thank you for the useful advice as always Ahee 💚
This guy is my new favorite artist, incredibly creative.
I feel like this is exactly what ive been missing, when i have structure the creative ideas just flow freely ... thanks
Love both of your tracks that you play / snippets, better than the reference tracks!
Right on advice! I was expecting something else like counting bars, but this is so reasonable! Thanks
Great video! That's my voice on your first track idea, from one of my Black Octopus packs. Sounds great in your track!
Really enjoying your channel man.
Thanks this was awesome - gonna try this today
Referencing is everything. Great vid
Great advice man. Enjoying your rack tools bud!!
Thank you very much man! Love the educational vibes take care
So true. This method can take creating something from a blank canvas to creating something by filling in the blanks. You can see a big increase in the speed of your workflow!
Legendary. Thank you so much
Great tips per usual!
This is insanely great advice!
I needed this right now, thanks
Great Video, learning and applying so much as we speak!
Song structure advice! Exactly what I need
You good man, thanks for the advice, big fan!
So glad I searched song structure..I was trying to find out if structure even matter because im so hung up on it. Still learning. It was so cool meeting and seeing you in Reno!
Thank you for this ❤️
Much appreciated, thx yo! Good wisdom. :) And btw ur track was wayy cooler, diggin it!
Hunter S. Thompson learned to write by typing The Great Gatsby word for word repeatedly on a typewriter, just to feel what it was like to write those words.
Wow. These are concepts ive been trying to figure out for 3 years now. I knew if i just kept working, listening to as much advice as i could on writing songs, and working to learn ableton and studio one, it would click. It finally did, thanks to you! Thanks! Ill also say this, ive heard and read so much on reference tracks, but i could just never figure out how to use it. So the dudes snarky comment above is immediately invalidated. Just use redernce tracks, bye. Yeah ok einstein, i never wrote songs before 3 years ago. I may have played tons of songs, and several instruments, however the amount of different styles, keys, rhythm, and all, overwhelmed my brain. I finally get it.... ahhh man, subscribed and wanting more. Amazingly ive managed to release 11 original songs to date, by sheer accident. Now i actually have a mental roadmap for structure. Thank you so very much. Ill be ee watching this over and over until i am able to quote you backwards forwards sideways, and drunk. one request? could you explain how to use ableton templates, i see you have 3 of them for sale, but i dont know how to use templates, or id buy yours. thanks!!!
I try to separate studying others' tracks from actual music production. I feel like choosing which track to base your stuff on being the only big picture creative decision is a bit limiting, but analyzing tracks and slicing them up in sections, color-coding - all that helps immeasurably.
Another great video mate
Great stuff!
great tutorial, thanks!
Good hear more people do this!
Thank you for this
I can't wait to blast the finished product of the dubstep song!
Yooooo! That house tune is pure 🔥
your tracks are dope bro
dude ur so right
Hey! I saw your set at Stilldream ‘19. I had a head full of acid during, but I gotta say, your set was fun for sure haha! Good to see you in the void!
Thanks AHEE, great simple idea. Would you make a video about multi-band compression and EQing and how it can help with basses?
Gosh Dang big man! I hope Shambhala happens this july or even pushed back to August so I can hear your track live cause oh my god!
amazing track of yours! congrats
Definitely learned a lot from this
Thank you!
Good timing ty
Incredible information here
Solid ty
Great Video!
great advice sir
Great video dude
thanks ahee dopeee
Amazing content brother!
How come I wasn't subscribed to your channel?
P.s. Your track it's a real Baaaanger!!!
I agree this a great tip big up
I saw a guy (Subaqueous) use midi clips instead of markers in a composition track at the top so he could save them as templates for different genres to reference later. Plus you can just click the clip of the section you want and cut or copy that whole section and move it around.
oh nice I've been doing the same but with color coding song sections from green to red to describe levels of intensity
Though not the point of the video, which I also grasp, but the extended drop with the melodic element is DOPE and I can't wait to add that into one of my next tracks.
nice advice thank u ahee :)
This is a pretty good vid man I’m on FL studio but I appreciate the tip thank you
I no longer write with a daw but this is still helpful knowledge. Thanks.
A video on how to use effects would be sick boii
Well said👍
Your second beat is dope too!
Nice beat!
Famous painters in history always checked others work and also copied it to improve their skills ... I never heard someone call Caravaggio or Leonardo da Vinci art thieves LOL
There’s always inspiration, but if everyone keeps doing this then we end up with what we have now which is everything starting to sound the same
man ur videos r awesome ...very underrated though...👍👌
Sick track !
Very informative!
"...the THICKNESS of the DROP." is my new favorite sentence.
This is helpful!
great attitude! im missing arrangement skills and i should just quit holding out for perfection and admit i need help lol
"... people study music, that's why people go to school - for music ..." ^^ thanks mate, this cheered me up big time! new subscription here
templates are apart of everything in life nothing wrong with doing this
Great vid
basic rule of thumb if it divides by 4 its a credible section, most sections are 8/16/24/32 measures most people use 24 messures a section
thanks, ahee!
Sick video man, as usual. Every time I watch one of your vids, it reminds me how much cleaner Live 9 is than Live 10. I think the completely colored clips and tracks are just too much in 10. Way too busy. Looks so much nicer with the completely transparent clips with only the title bars being colored, like 9 has. Really hoping they add an option to change that in 10 at some point. Anyway, great stuff. Cheers!
agreed, the live 10 coloring is cool in its own way but to me it sometimes makes coloring TOO important and noticable
I love 9. But I have 10 for working with other producers. But I’m so much faster in 9, which is a huge part of producing, the speed of translating ideas.
Official AHEE True that! Thanks again for the content. Always a pleasure when you drop new stuff!
Yoooooo....your track based off Flux is sooo dope man