Best Mixing Advice I Ever Recieved (Using SPAN)
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Thanks for the vid, man...awesome!
Great vid!!!!!
Thank you for sharing!
You're right, that last skrillex routing tutorial did help a lot. I've been referencing and using that technique and it helped my music significantly. This tutorial was also awesome. Knowing about that gap to help create separation and clarity is key. I wish I was shown this 10 years ago lol.
Same man, that's why I'm sharing this now. :) Maybe share with any producer friends, I want to push the culture forward.
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Question: to achieve this space in the spetrum is best to eq it all out on individual tracks/instruments or can it just be carved out at the end on the master? Thanks
Another top notch video! Thanks for referencing my tune
The bad mixes, was a good part. Learning to find the problems. My stuff sounds more like the EDM bit.. ugh.. need to learn to mix and master asap!!
Thanks!!
Thank you for trying this demo
For those wondering how to get the low-mid dip, EQ the master channel using minor subtractions. I personally like using Parametric EQ 2 for this. If you find that subtracting certain frequencies takes too much instrumentation away, re-work the instruments within that frequency!
Just remember, although this video has some great advice, take everything with a pinch of salt because the same thing that might work for a track will not always work for other tracks.
Jake great thanks!!
Dude I sat next to you at the Getter and Dodge Q&A seminar! I remember talking to you about how Getter and Ghastly migh have made that pan sound in 666 lol.
yuja. I remember that 👽🙌
Thanks Ahee
this the one. thank you AHEE
Your EP sounds good AHEE! Nicely done.
Thank you for this . Loving ur videos thank you for the help.
holy shit i've been struggling with my mixing for at least 2 years, but after this video my sound went up like crazy. i've been trying to compare my stuff to others using built-in ableton spectrum but that didn't help. Lifechanger!
Ableton's spectrum sucks lol. Yes use Span (and also Ozone but that ain't free).
Just watching this is giving me that itch to go mix my music lol. Thanks for the tips. Love learning something new
Thanks man, this was actually a huge help
This is fucking brilliant. I'm going through my old and current projects following this advice and then a/b testing to before and after; this has been so so helpful.
11/10 tutorial as well :D Thanks so much!
Just had a listen, sounds great.
i will master my mix!
Such an interesting video 🤘🏻
Great video. I wish you spent a bit more time saying why this dip in the audio is important. And also how to get this dip
Could anyone go into detail why you want this dip and how to get it?
lol at the sylenth1 demo soundbyte appearing at 9:16
I’m producing music over one year as hobby
Have a release on label I like ( my track was remastered by label owner - and I don’t like how it sound after remastering)
You have mentioned that new producers overdue low end because they mix it on smaller speakers and want it to sound more punchy
The question is
“ if it sounds better on small speakers ( as well as EarPods etc) why should you mix it differently? “
Because most people gonna listen your music thru EarPods or small portable speakers
Maybe I should have 2 different versions of same track 1 bass boosted
And second more balanced mix for purchase for djs etc
I’m confused I want it to have bigger low end but still want to sound professional 😓🤷♂️
Good deeds 🙌💯
When im mixing/mastering i will play pink noise and arrange or shape the levels and peaks so each instrument is barely heard above the noise then disable the pink noise. Last step Adjust to taste.
Thankyou for the gems man really appreciate it!🙌 Btw the high end frequency cut in the spectrum is not because its an mp3 but because they used an brickwall eq (you can find that in ozone) during the mastering.(i also happen to do the same when i find it necessary)
That’s wild... when your mixing techno and stuff, a lot of times the bass is louder than the rest. Not too much. I think it comes down to bass music trying to be in your face and techno being more subtle.
James Corcoran totally, this video is about applying the technique of looking at similar artists of your particular genre and seeing the overall shape of mixes in that genre 🙌💯
The best advice I can give you for mixing is to focus on the crest factor on your stereo meter. No dynamics, man.
Can someone please explain how to get this plugin to work with Ableton Live 11. (mac). I download the image, copy the 'SPAN.vst' file into Ableton's VST folder and refresh, yet it never shows.
THanks!
Sam
Really liked your track brus =)
Follow this, definitely your mix will sound thin and harsh, try it😆
How do they get the kick to -36 db? i tried using compression but mine only gets to -42 :(
when i master all the song my kick come only to -42 hitting 0 on master
It's just a cheap way to trick you into thinking these mixes are any good. Push things up where you're more sensitive to amplitude (mids and highs), push things up where systems can give more bass. The hi-fi smiley curve.
You're not a fan of the smiley curve huh? You know what... me neither!
Would that work with Q3 or Insight?
What should be the average DB when mixing?
-6db at your hook imo
Rms stand for "root mean square".
lol... ik
yes! Was about to comment this myself lol. It is quite literally, the "root" of the "mean square". The "mean square" is the mean (average) of the data points after they are individually squared. The RMS is the square root of that value.
I've returned after a year to say I agree with Ahee, and this tip was one of the best ive got from any tutorial or teacher. shoutout ahee
same here!
I've been mixing hiphop records for almost 20 years. Usually all the advice on youtube is very generic. This video was everything and some more! Salute and Thank you for all the information in this.
A lot of these separations and dips are done with multiband compressors, and turning up or down different ranges. In some of these you can basicslly see what frequencies the multiband cross overs were set to.
Thanks for the tutorial Ahee, another really valuable 1
I've been watching my favorite tracks through span today
I have a question about the separation between lows and highs
What methods do u use to create the separation?
I'm unsure if i should be using eq to cut some of the low- mid frequencies or opting to use sounds more sounds with higher frequencies and or balancing volume
I'd also love to see a follow up tutorial covering this! Thanks for your priceless tuts and killer new ep, Ahee!!
I would also like to know more about this. Very informative btw. Thanks!
This is so weird, this is exactly how I use SPAN and exactly how I’ve always thought about it.
Yeah...Love SPAN. Such a decent free tool.That didgeridoo sound, though. Insane!
But like wait your music is HEAT
I see your point in studying the people you'd like to look to for inspirations or whatever you call it from your perspective,. the fact of the matter is, all of those producers are likely getting their mixes mastered and doing so means that they are having their music most likely processed by one piece of gear which makes music look like that,. chandlerlimited.com/curve-bender/
By all means your own productions sound spot on by similarities based on your ability to learn from those compositions but still I do feel it's necessary for you to know the truth about the equalized outcome of a record,. The curve bender from chandler limited does that mid range scoop, it's the specialty,. there is a new company that recently came up with their own take on the massive mid range scoop straight from the hardware and they're called,. cranborne audio,. (not sure if that thing is gimmicky or any good)
I could care less about that scoop,.
The reason I share this information with you is to know that although it might be nice to think these producers are excellent at their ears they most likely push the mids as much as any to get a thick sound and by the time the mastering process is done the "magic" has "fixed" the issues,. I'm not a huge proponent of believing famous people are skilled or talented enough to master their own music, because they don't,. You on the other hand have taken it upon you to be that good, that's fine. Realize the process of doing whatever you want before mastering, then letting mastering deeply shift the emphasis of the sound in order to process the outcome which is what is heard by most people,. if that makes sense. Too many people are now afraid to be too much or too little for fear of not sounding mastered during mixdown and I thought you should know that experimentation is okay.
I'm not the rest of those guys here to be all high and mighty only sharing what I know about that mid scoop from my own ...,.
Clayton Brown thanks for the input! Yes I know Bassnectar’s Mastering Seth is helping take those mixes to the next level, tho Skrill learned from Noisia and does most of everything himself. Prob not on every release but on many. The truth I feel is that any way you can get to an amazing final result is valid. I’ll definitely check out that link you sent. Thanks! 🙌👽
whoah, this is gold bro! I was noticing the other day that dipping the eq between 100-300hz range on my master, as well as in certain individual tracks was adding clarity and punch. After watching your video here it really put some things into perspective! I'm going to be aiming for this curve in my mixes now. Thanks for adding another missing piece to the puzzle for me!
do you achieve this by going through and EQing the individual tracks this way or can you just put a dip on the master eq??
I have this same question. I'm afraid of losing some frequencies at certain points by EQing the master too much, but it would be 100% more efficient to just throw a notch in the master
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Watch this. He eqs out what he calls the "mud range" from his basses and tracks, basically mid scooping them and thus that band doesn't come through the master when applied individually.
There is also a whole heap of other great tips in there.
@@kieranunsworth3736 Thanks mate. Checking it out now
Always fix in the mix if possible
thank you so much for all the tutorials you are putting out! but please can you tell exactly how do you get this curve/dip in the 100-200hz range that you are pointing throughout this video? (do you get it with proper equing or just volume balancing?)
Yeah I use span, But I mostly run it in dual mono mode. THIS shows left and right tells you if you have any phase problems in the mix. If you go to Routing, Select dual mono, Then do your settings THE same way but don't use a filled display on both settings. Copy it to Right, Then change the underlay COLOUR on the Right channel, & Left Channel.
Now when you look at the Left it has both lines that tells you all the stereo and mono information in the mix... Lovely JUBBLY
Be surprised of phase problems in the low end that can occur. M/S EQ fix, Repair the phase by removing the stereo information where it shouldn't be. Science Bitch!
I do accept Parsnips as a form of currency.
Taught that by the main man himself, Skrillex! F*@k YEAHHH! Maze In The Face! Personal Friend of mine I even call him Skrilly not to his face though, I'd be like yo Mr Skrillex!
I don't actually know him :v
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A reason for big separation between lows and mid ranges in EDM is so Dj’s can mix out the bass end easily on their boards and rest of track sounds same and allows for smooth transitions and extended blending of tracks. I’ve heard about that but never seen it presented graphically like this. Awesome vid!
Oh and RMS == root mean square .. not sum 🤓
RMS .. root mean square
you really shouldn't mixed based on what helps a DJ.
@@AnymMusic I dunno. DJs are who help you get your songs into the clubs
So mix your treble like you want to go deaf, got it.
Great video. Any chance you could do a tutorial on how to fix the mix once you've identified issues using Span? Thanks.
Would love to see a comparison with the mixes for other types of music, like rock, pop or other radio friendly types.
Seriously helpful .. just fixed an old track I couldn't figure out what the problem was in the first drop, appreciated 🙌
Hey man! Just found your channel. Thanks for the video. I've been doing similar analysis comparisons of producers I look up to vs. my masters.
I have a question for you... I see your point when you are looking at the momentary analyzer. Another tool I found helpful in comparing my work to others well produced and mastered work is to also use the SPAN's second type and set it to "RT MAX". This gives me representation of both the current and max values on one graph. Is this something you have done in your analysis comparisons as well??
If not it might be helpful. I would be interested to see these same songs "max" values to see if they follow the same trends you've identified in the "momentary" analysis. From what I've seen it doesn't seem to have that same dip you identified when you look at the overall track "Max" values. Check it out and let me know what you find.
I've definitely found a lot of use in comparing the MAX value of my track to others when checking if our mix/master is ready for the big wide world out there. :-P
Much love man. Your music sounds dope too BTW :-)
Thank you for this, and btw, that remind me the PS2 start sounds lol 2:26
I'm literally in the middle of a mixing block. I will most definitely be trying this!
I'm in the mood for ice cream now I've seen all this scooping
Thanks for the SPAN tip. Most of these songs hurt my ears...
That's exactly what they're supposed to, and to move your butt.
@ArchenZ Don't care man. You are you. We are diferent. Thanks God.
@ArchenZ And at least i have the excuse that i am still learning... HAHAHAHHAHA!
Nice video !
So, all your favorite great mixes (which I think are absolute crap) are clipping. This is what happens when you master your MP3 to 0dB.
this is gold. thank you for that!
Dude! Your walkthrough and explanation is so helpful. Thank you so much.
I have this monitor and the colour accuracy out of the box is no accurate at all. And viewing angles are terrible (i sit right in front of it so doesn't matter) . I had an old ASUSPB287 (1440p model) and it looks almost the same as my MBP. But the Benq out of the box is comletely off. Planning to get a colour calibrator to fix this hopefully. I mean you can easily get used to the monitor but saying this is colour accurate is just wrong.
just wanted to swing by 2 years later and say this is for me personally the single most helpful video I've seen on making electronic music. So much of what is hard about starting, at least for me, was the like 'yeah this sounds not half bad in my poorly acoustically treated living room, but i bet it sounds TERRIBLE in a club'. this just clears up the mystery. im a better visual learner and since i watched this a year ago ive been using SPAN with every song i buy. sometimes i sit down and just play a bunch of songs i like in ableton at -6db and watch the SPAN, its literally almost a hobby for me lmao. anyways, thx man, great vid/great advice
Finally got span and I can see I have some work to do lol
@1:45 you meant to say "root mean square" not 'root mean sum', great tutorial, I am going back to check my mixes...aaaaaaand, now I see the problem.
Wow! I recently bought Metric A/B and Wonder if Span Has More to Offer. ???? I like your channel will watch more content!
The genre is composed of electonic synths and extreme saturation, the only way to fully represent those sounds would work in the high end.
So it's important to know this curve will be horrible for other instrumental genres.
I know this video is pretty old but when you talk about the two lower fundementals and dipped timbre of the mix the lowest first bell being your sub group (in your track examples) would the second bell be the kick and drums or would your kick and sidechain effect be located in that first bell if so then is the second more middle low cut starting points for the sounds with in the mix this would help break the spectrum in to a more understood ear to eye analysis and would greatly be appreciated if elaborated
Thank you again for ur videos and time
Very nice tutorial, helped me allot!!
Only have 1 question (sorry i'am not smart)
11:13 Why is the dip so important?
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"as you can see"
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"this one is painful"
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Thanks so very much this is exactly what I needed, I am doing a Diploma of Electronic Music Production and I was asking the Teachers about exactly this
You mentioned most important lines are the -30/-24 lines. Is this where you want your mix to hit before mastering or after?
This seems to work really well for bassy drops like the ones you show cased, but is there any way to apply this technique in tracks that have really full pad and bass sections? When I try to bump down my pads at around 200hz, they loose a ton of character from their lowmids.
Trillan the idea I hope people take away isn’t the specifics of this shape but how this technique can be used for any genre. Look at other producers’ tracks that are similar to what you’re going for and familiarize yourself with those shapes. Cheers👽✌️
You have to remember that half of these producers have already gone deaf, a bit like Beethoven.....NOT! 🤣
Just downloaded SPAN and it doesn't show an RMS level... Super annoying. It shows "Integr" instead of RMS
Any help installing span? Followed their how-to and did the steps it recommends when it doesn’t work on macOS but it still doesn’t show up under my plugins
I thought there was something wrong with my eq curvature in the mixes, it turns out it's fucking BANGING. Trust your ears bois
300-600 hz is the "mud range", hence the dip. Basic shit you can't even explain why it's done.
Thanks so much for this video man. I've been fed a lot of misinformation over the years by producers who think they know everything and "your frequency spectrum should pretty much be a flat line from left to right" was something I believed up until now. This is a game changer cos I've always struggled with mixing mids.
why the hell should it be linear if the rumor is not linear
Bass is supposed to be louder than the treble even if you look at recommended curves with software like izotopes for example...
Sure are some toxic people in the comments. There's no rule that says you need to do it like this or that. If a visual aid gets you a good mixdown that sounds good, then use span. It's really not rocket science.
Can you follow these same guidelines using the ableton stock spectrum analyzer?
holy fucking shit i actually love you i tried this technique and my mix sounds incredible, will be using it for every track from now on
That hole at 200-300 hz it where you make your money, i.e. the snare.
So do we have to bounce all the drums to create one wav file? And all the vocals to one wave file? I have about 15 different track elements
i make anyone who asks me about production install this and group their instruments first thing now.
Hey man! found your video 2 days ago by accident. I wondered if my latest track maybe had some "mud" between the 200-300 range, and it had! so i literraly just pulled up a eq on my master and pulled down these frequencies and to match the sub level, i boosted the highs... & turns out.. THAT MAKES THE WHOLE TRACK SOUND SO MUCH BETTER?! basically i'm really gratefull that i still go on youtube to learn, and find people like you, that really know some good shit! Thanks for this
that tut changed everything
nice tutorial but you never mentioned how you get those dips mixing, lets say kick, bass, and snare?
this will work only with this analyzer with those specific settings. The block size, or "resolution", doesn't matter too much in this situation since you are zoomed out to see the full spectrum of the track, but what matters more is the slope degree which is at the default position 4.5. if you move that knob it will take the whole graph and kinda tilt it to one side or the other. this is often useful when trying to match other songs to yours, or to calibrate against pink noise. for example, I like to leave it at 3 instead of 4.5 because when playing pink noise, it will show completely horizontal instead of the natural slope of pink noise. then, when i'm mixing, i want to make sure that the graph look horizontal, when in fact its sloped like pink noise, which is pleasant and natural to the ear and its relatively easy to make changes based on that flat state. hope that helps.
the "dip" in the analyzer happens only at 4.5 slope and kinda disappears when working on a slope of 3. so don't try this trick on a different analyzer i you don't know its slope degree or if it isn't configurable. just trying to help here because I know it can get quite frustrating.
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Really love your style of music, awesome!! Some great native / tribal sounds! Thanks for the explanation!
Very helpful. Interested in exploring more of your tutorials about separating/ defining out frequencies.
One of the most helpful tutorials I have ever come across. Thank you so much.
Thanks for sharing. And you can still fix the mistake in the title. Peter Lazer
Thank you , my mind gets more clear idea on mixdown :D
Well described man, nailed how to analyse things using SPAN!
Curious what a Tipper track looks like, that dude breaks all the rules and it somehow fucking works
Haven’t watched yet, but hopefully this lets my basses sound fuller and less hollow and muddy
should all your indiviual channels not have phase stuff (going left on the corelation meter?
What are phase issues? Is it like shit that’s out of tune or is it a resonance thing or what? what kinds of qualities come out on large speakers with a track that has these issues
Music is in stereo, right? That means you have two channels playing the music. Both channels have separate patterns of repetition, which we call phase, that they follow to represent the audio, and when the channels’ phases combine, we get the full song and a resulting stereo image. But what happens when that stereo track is played with only one speaker? well, if you’ve spread out your track too harshly, or in the wrong ways (like with excessive use of a stereo spreader plugin) you’ll notice certain instruments become quiet and/or straight up inaudible when you play your song in mono. That’s because of “phase cancellation” which is what happens when the phases of two channels don’t match up correctly. It sounds washed out, and not in a good way.
Take this example: Say you have a synth in your mix. Its in the center, but you want to spread it out, so you copy it, pan the original all the way left and the copy all the way right. Then you apply 15 milliseconds of delay to the one on the right so your ear can tell that there are two tracks playing. Tricks like these are helpful in small doses, but too much will lead to serious phase cancellation because, when the left and right channels are collapsed into mono (usually on a home speaker or in a club setting), ONE speaker will have the job of playing TWO synth tracks that are playing 15 milliseconds out of time with each other. It sounds shitty. Luckily, you can use a Correlation Meter to monitor your phase relationship between the right and left. I think you’ll hear it just fine, once you know what you’re listening for.
Research phase cancellation
Another rule of thumb I have is this: The less symmetry there is between the left and right channel, the worse the phase problems can be, and the worse it will sound in mono. This is why electronic producers typically keep their wild panning techniques to a minimum, because panning disrupts proper phase, and because they know their songs will usually be played through a clubhouse PA system that won’t be equipped with stereo.
So, do what you can to make your tracks wide, but shoot for general symmetry. Then you won’t have anything to worry about. PS, You can check your symmetry by examining the stereo file in your DAW :)