A Cheatcode for Better Arrangements: The Two Loop Rule

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Комментарии • 1,8 тыс.

  • @Changeproductions21
    @Changeproductions21 8 месяцев назад +1089

    blink twice if your headphones are holding you hostage

    • @Slashx92
      @Slashx92 4 месяца назад +13

      They are eating his head lmaooo

    • @drindy5166
      @drindy5166 4 месяца назад +4

      👊🤣👍

    • @RivetHead999
      @RivetHead999 4 месяца назад +5

      Looking like my toddler wearing my headphones.

    • @Thearcherfl
      @Thearcherfl 4 месяца назад

      Bro turned his head with cans on ears to hear the difference. That’s how you know somebody mixes often lol

    • @kelvynification
      @kelvynification 4 месяца назад +1

      Funny:)))))

  • @blackpalacemusic
    @blackpalacemusic Год назад +1749

    I love the fact that he's excited about his work and not just going through the motions.

    • @MDNQ-ud1ty
      @MDNQ-ud1ty Год назад +3

      I also love the fact that so many b0ts show up in all the youtube comments. It's like after the 'vid the DS is trying to pacify the masses using the good like A1 'stake sauce'.

    • @Rooftopaccessorizer
      @Rooftopaccessorizer Год назад +9

      Im glad im not the only one who felted jarred by those ghoulishly large headphones

    • @Fiveash-Art
      @Fiveash-Art Год назад +12

      I've been getting annoyed lately watching a lot of these people's production tutorials ... specifically when they're rocking out, making faces, bobbing their heads to the music they're making. There's something about that ... I don't know what it is but it gets on my nerves so much. 😂 Lots of good information to be learned, but ugh .. it's just so cringeworthy to watch them do that. 🤮 .. especially when it all just sounds so canned. It's like they're telling the viewer .. "Look at how wonderful I am!" 😂 ... This dude's not too bad with it .. but I've seen a few that make me want to vomit when they start dancing and stuff.

    • @Rooftopaccessorizer
      @Rooftopaccessorizer Год назад +4

      @@Fiveash-Art i feel you on this one. I support people vibing, but with a tutorial just keep it professional.

    • @Fiveash-Art
      @Fiveash-Art Год назад +2

      @@Rooftopaccessorizer This dude ain't bad with it ... I had just come off this one girl's tutorial and she's always dancing and bobbing to her own stuff and it bugged the hell out of me. 😂 Also the way she talks she acts like she's cool or something... people on RUclips can be seriously annoying.

  • @olegkalinkin6877
    @olegkalinkin6877 Год назад +7682

    The man decided to cover his ears with frying pans.

  • @thrutherockies3687
    @thrutherockies3687 7 месяцев назад +546

    Hi Alex. This is a great method. I have another method I usually use. I open a song I like in Ableton (mp3 from a favorite artist), then I put markers in all the places where things happen. I try to describe the feelings I experience as clearly as possible at every marker. When I have analysed the song in detail, I remove the reference track. I am left with a template that I can then fill in with my own music. Then I never get stuck in a loop and it's very inspiring. It's even better if you leave the project a day or two before you start using the template so you forget how the original sounds. You don't want it to be a bad copy.

    • @Chloroplastism
      @Chloroplastism 7 месяцев назад +25

      Great advice for a beginner like me, thank you ❤

    • @OnlyCloud7
      @OnlyCloud7 7 месяцев назад +16

      Thats actually a great idea! Thanks!

    • @SiEmG
      @SiEmG 7 месяцев назад +16

      very nice idea if you are practicing, but in the future you can aim to also create your own emotional story and express yourself and what you want to communicate!

    • @qtrax100
      @qtrax100 7 месяцев назад +8

      been writing tunes for 2 decades and never thought to do that. Nice one :)

    • @ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked
      @ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked 6 месяцев назад +2

      Very interesting! Thanks! :3

  • @Phegan
    @Phegan 8 месяцев назад +664

    My man out here blue balling us with no drop.

  • @VinceFinemMusic
    @VinceFinemMusic Год назад +448

    I love how he loves his own work and the fact that he isn't trying to constantly GAS up his viewers to buy more gear and software they don't need. He just helps us work with what we already have and make things better.

    • @RedceLL1978
      @RedceLL1978 8 месяцев назад +3

      Were you paid to say that or something, it seems so fake

    • @saberleaf3659
      @saberleaf3659 8 месяцев назад +7

      ​​@@RedceLL1978
      Seems genuine ive jumped across plent of different tutorials and this one didnt drop a single tip to. "First you should probably get this, this, and that.. dont forget this $100 audio kit. And $300 studio grade headphones so you can hear your work better" etc. he was straight to the point and very informative about this whole arrangement rule.

    • @simplicityd8703
      @simplicityd8703 8 месяцев назад

      I know no reverse cymbal sounds is so nice
      I can't believe I'm saying this now internet has sunk low :(

    • @VinceFinemMusic
      @VinceFinemMusic 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@simplicityd8703 you said something nice, you must be a paid shill!

    • @MinhLe-ej9ji
      @MinhLe-ej9ji 8 месяцев назад

      @simplicityd8703 Seems more genuine than your comment.

  • @karmabasedj8184
    @karmabasedj8184 Год назад +549

    Man everytime he says "isnt it pretty".."isnt it beautiful", I literally get hyped up and I am smiling like him haha.....
    Also dont keep us hanging without the drop! This needs to be a finished piece :-P

    • @JUNO.caprii
      @JUNO.caprii Год назад +10

      you can't help but smile and he knows how to get emotion out of music i love it

    • @jenfletcher6870
      @jenfletcher6870 Год назад +22

      he gives Bob Ross vibes

    • @sonicsnout
      @sonicsnout Год назад +16

      He's like the Bob Ross of EDM production 😄

    • @DdudeSnake13
      @DdudeSnake13 Год назад +2

      we need the drop still! @alexrome

    • @tadeszlachanyi4310
      @tadeszlachanyi4310 11 месяцев назад +5

      It has a drop, it's called Sideways by Illenium, he was kind of remaking the song

  • @OgMcFaded
    @OgMcFaded 2 месяца назад +7

    Bro I've never seen this man in my life but his headphones are so damn huge and imposing I felt the need to write this comment about it.

  • @BenStoneking
    @BenStoneking 9 месяцев назад +110

    He’s having fun and enjoying the ride with us! He’s like a millennial Bob Ross with a midi keyboard instead of brushes. ❤

    • @lgmediapcsalon9440
      @lgmediapcsalon9440 8 месяцев назад

      He's panhandling his dubious wares, nothing more.
      Bob Ross had some skill, this guy does not. If he did, he'd be successful, which he isn't.

    • @twistandturn02
      @twistandturn02 5 месяцев назад +4

      ⁠he's promoting a course sure, but he's also offering something useful, unlike your comment.

    • @JonathanRodriguez-rr8rg
      @JonathanRodriguez-rr8rg 4 месяца назад

      glazing is crazy

  • @poupeuu
    @poupeuu 9 месяцев назад +121

    Bro used landmines for headphones

  • @alexkunce2002
    @alexkunce2002 9 месяцев назад +222

    Alex: You can only repeat for two bars
    Daft Punk: *And I took that personally*

    • @SpydrXIII
      @SpydrXIII 6 месяцев назад +17

      sometimes you need a good zone out song, daft is great for psychedelics where you zone out a lot.

    • @ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked
      @ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@SpydrXIIITrue. I was born in 89, and grew up with them. Hehe.

    • @NiiColaOfficial
      @NiiColaOfficial 5 месяцев назад +15

      They do, but tthey still follow the rule by adding/removing layers to keep it interesting

    • @cr4ckrocksteady
      @cr4ckrocksteady 4 месяца назад +4

      I know you're talking about "Around The World" but part of the reason that song still did well is because of the fact the automation / effects throughout the track actually still encompass the theory being described in this video despite the melody repeating over and over.

    • @alexkunce2002
      @alexkunce2002 4 месяца назад

      @@cr4ckrocksteady Oh, totally! I love Daft Punk, especially Human After All (the album, although I like the track too) which also has a lot of long, looping songs like Around the World. It's all in the genius production and the automation.

  • @MrGenedancingmachine
    @MrGenedancingmachine 9 месяцев назад +76

    Methods like this is why the LOFI hip-hop craze burned brightly but quickly faded into thousands upon thousands of songs starting to sound the same, rigid simple rules...that EVERYONE started to follow

    • @Mactakun
      @Mactakun 7 месяцев назад +5

      Agreed, I personally like songs that have something unique about them

    • @Merczid
      @Merczid 5 месяцев назад +31

      You have to start somewhere- learn the core concepts and "rules" before you consistently can experiment and introduce exotic unique elements

    • @patrickmurray9359
      @patrickmurray9359 Месяц назад +2

      Agreed, 100% this is a great foundational video. Once you have the fundamentals down then work on making some of your own rules.
      Keep in mind he's just providing a template the creator still has to come up with beats, melodies, drops etc.that separates them from the pack. That can't be taught so easily and takes practice and talent.

    • @Whetzell
      @Whetzell 10 дней назад

      There’s so much you can do with this format, the real issue is that people do it in a boring sterile way.

  • @felixmarques
    @felixmarques Год назад +206

    If you listen to Gaga's first album, The Fame, which is a near-perfect album of 2000s Europop, you realize that part of what makes the songs so insanely catchy is that you can break every section (verse, prechorus, etc.) into “couplets”. Every chord loop, or bassline loop, or vocal melody, happens twice so you can learn it before switching. Stuff like “Poker Face” or “Just Dance” truly are masterclasses on this.

    • @jacksonelh
      @jacksonelh Год назад +2

      lady gaga's european?

    • @RecTec77
      @RecTec77 8 месяцев назад +18

      @@jacksonelh Is Eric Clapton black?

    • @ImSquiggs
      @ImSquiggs 8 месяцев назад +3

      I have a theory that the reason why Mr. Brightsides is so insanely popular is due to the fact they essentially play the entire song twice.. full verse and chorus and then just doing the same thing again

    • @willia_music
      @willia_music 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@ImSquiggs true, but it's the bridge/build up to the last chorus builds tension and adds excitement to finally come back to the familiar. It's that extra 'waiting' to finally belt out in chorus with an easy to remember hook is what makes it work

    • @ImSquiggs
      @ImSquiggs 8 месяцев назад

      @@willia_music You're definitely right about that being one of the most compelling parts of the song, and I agree. I was trying to touch on the repetition as a possible reason why you can listen to it just once and already have it stuck in your head.

  • @mkirbymusic
    @mkirbymusic Год назад +298

    Dude has been doing this for so long and is STILL providing super valuable videos. Cheers to you Alex 🍻

  • @JeffoftheShout
    @JeffoftheShout Год назад +358

    Bro! This is so helpful for me! I’ve been having writers block for years now, and I’ve been tired of just making four bar loops etc. so I had stopped even trying to make original music. But this has definitely inspired me to carry on. Thank you!! 🙏

    • @twatmunro
      @twatmunro Год назад +10

      What this guy above said.

    • @therealkruz
      @therealkruz Год назад

      @@twatmunro what the guy above this guy said

    • @PepeandtheBandits
      @PepeandtheBandits Год назад +4

      Very very helpful thank you.

    • @ThreadedNail
      @ThreadedNail Год назад +10

      Every time you make a song you create something that has never been done before. You got this.

    • @6lu5ky86
      @6lu5ky86 8 месяцев назад

      Can relate!

  • @minignlat
    @minignlat Месяц назад +10

    Headphone comments be cookin 💀

  • @JakeAdkinsOfficial
    @JakeAdkinsOfficial 9 месяцев назад +39

    Came for the concept, stayed for the production. This track is BEAUTIFUL ❤

  • @sweeneymini
    @sweeneymini 10 дней назад +1

    Love your enthusiasm! Clear tutorial and you don't go into details that are irrelevant to the tutorial like some other channels do.

  • @brianclinton5720
    @brianclinton5720 Год назад +30

    This is wonderful stuff. Great explanation and very helpful. You did say that there were only two ways to make a change in the next section though, adding/subtracting instruments or adding/subtracting expression, and I’d add three more: 1. Moving to another harmonic area, 2. Changing the melodic content to a responsive or broadening line, 3. Change rhythmic content (particularly melodic or harmonic rhythms).

  • @ktreier
    @ktreier 8 месяцев назад +48

    This 10 minute video is most useful thing I’ve seen in the last 12 months.

    • @KazilikFire
      @KazilikFire 7 месяцев назад +2

      I’ve seen a few videos that say «after each 8 bar, change the melody» and it never got into me and i still struggled. 4 years and i find this, it makes so much sense and maybe will help me actually start making music💀 I try but always stop because i get stuck and don’t find a good enough video to help me progress. So i give up easily😢

    • @ktreier
      @ktreier 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@KazilikFire we all have the same problem early on. Start by finishing and releasing a short track. Feel good about that. Work your way up.

    • @jeanaguzarov
      @jeanaguzarov 7 месяцев назад

      Confirmed

    • @AMatroskin
      @AMatroskin 3 месяца назад

      @@KazilikFire just continue, nobody is promised that it will be easy, but it is definitely possible ;)

  • @Unison_Detune
    @Unison_Detune Год назад +22

    This is blunt and upfront. I get lost in subtlety and nuance. This vid spells it out. Your arrangement needs to give cues as to the rise and fall in energy of the track. Thank you Alex, it is rare to be able to make something so simple and obvious. Subscribed.

    • @Jacob-2796
      @Jacob-2796 7 месяцев назад

      What feels like nuance is actually just muddy unclear thinking

  • @theneonpact9496
    @theneonpact9496 Год назад +62

    Another easy rule is try to add or change anything about every 30 seconds. It can be a one-shot sample, a little flair melody, a riser/downriser, parameter automation, remove/add elements/layers. There are a way more options if you're working with synthesizers due to all of their parameters being customizable.

    • @helisoma
      @helisoma Год назад +2

      yes sometimes i study the timing of edm tracks to see when they change something and it's often the 30 second point which at 120 bpm is around 16 bars

    • @Morteza_Jahan
      @Morteza_Jahan 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@helisoma He's a great producer, but don't you think at intro after first loop, the second loop got a bit boring?

    • @augusto7681
      @augusto7681 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@Morteza_Jahan He did the loop just to show his technique, not all loops are interesting enough to be heard infinity times. The vocals also usually distract us from the repetitive background so we it don't become boring too fast.

  • @supernaturalc1d784
    @supernaturalc1d784 Год назад +5

    you created the Melody and i instantly thought about "Sideways" by illenium, looked it up and the entire video is basically creating this specific song.
    but i like it

  • @LexLeo_
    @LexLeo_ 5 месяцев назад +1

    The way you say “isn’t that wonderful?!” Is so adorable

  • @Mecha-ddafi
    @Mecha-ddafi Год назад +20

    The part about entry and exit points of transitions is huge. For me, drum fills are really vital for making a smooth transition for the type of music I make. Sometimes 2 guitar parts don't mix back-to-back until you have a nice fill leading into the next riff. Very helpful video!

  • @simonwarren9855
    @simonwarren9855 4 месяца назад +1

    You explain this all in a way most other music producers on RUclips don’t - it’s not music theory, but it’s also not the “idk lol play around and see what sounds good” attitude that a lot of others have.
    The way you talk about music production in this video reminds me of the way that my art instructors in college (visual fine arts major) would talk about art, and that clicks with me

  • @tereseabannister4176
    @tereseabannister4176 Год назад +53

    I freaking love EVERY SINGLE one of your videos! Just saying! You made me love to write/compose EDM. My husband did not like EDM until I started writing it how you taught me. I am a music producer/composer and I traditionally lean towards more orchestral composing but ever since I started following you, I have fallen in love with EDM and have sold even more music. Thank you!!

    • @MrReverie
      @MrReverie 11 месяцев назад

      Do you know what DAW he uses

    • @LukeSly91
      @LukeSly91 10 месяцев назад +1

      Logic

    • @lgmediapcsalon9440
      @lgmediapcsalon9440 8 месяцев назад +1

      As fake as they come. look at all those likes. lol
      "I traditionnally lean towards more orchestral composing" lolol what a complete farce.
      You couldn't compose a single movement to save your own life. Prove me wrong.

  • @EkaterinaSTADNIKOVA
    @EkaterinaSTADNIKOVA 10 месяцев назад +3

    I don't think I'll ever learn how to write music, but it's just an exceptional delight for the soul to look at a happy guy on the screen who glows in all directions of the universe!

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee This is now the 6th time I've seen you write the exact same comment. You don't have an original thought in your tiny little brain, do you?

  • @marioCazares
    @marioCazares Год назад +43

    You explain everything so simply and clearly seriously thank you for all the incredible videos

  • @themanfromvolantis
    @themanfromvolantis Год назад +4

    This is GOLD. Not only solid tips but your blatant adoration of music is verrry infectious.

  • @LionEatsCats0034
    @LionEatsCats0034 7 месяцев назад +4

    I LITERALLY SCREAMED OMG! I literally just took a break from creating my first chord progression because I was exhausted and couldn’t figure out what to do next. Then your video popped up and my mind is blown lol

    • @darrenhirst9900
      @darrenhirst9900 7 месяцев назад

      You created your first chord and said that' fire 🔥🚒

  • @LeoCoyote1685
    @LeoCoyote1685 Год назад +28

    Love the track you made in the lesson! It really shows how even the smallest things make the biggest difference. It's giving mellow vacation home

    • @kubita-thecall8795
      @kubita-thecall8795 Год назад

      True hey. As I was listening, the rapper inside of me started jamming 😎✌️

  • @davidletarte214
    @davidletarte214 5 месяцев назад +1

    i think of all the youtube music channels i've seen this guy is one of the most helpful for electronic music - doesn't get bogged down by concepts or semantics & always demonstrates with real-time, visual examples.

  • @mikehart1229
    @mikehart1229 9 месяцев назад +8

    Those are the biggest studio headphones I've ever seen

  • @samueltaschereau7882
    @samueltaschereau7882 9 месяцев назад +2

    I've done beats when I was way younger without any knowledge of music.I was still able to create something potent. After a long break of several years, I'm back at it again with a goal; learn the music theory for better efficiency.
    Got on youtube today to start my learning process on scales and basic piano, and before even start to tap on the search-bar, there's your video popping up on my RUclips Home Page. I clicked and I wasn't disapointed at all. Even tho this is not ''Basic music theory'' such as Chord progression etc. this is still a ''Must-have'' secret kept in my pocket.
    You just gained a new subscriber.
    Thank you!
    Keep up the good work!

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tl;dr you're just a troll

  • @RJ_Eckie
    @RJ_Eckie Год назад +20

    Listen, I really wanted to poke fun at that absolite waffle-iron of a pair of headphones… but this is one of those rare videos that is actually offering up simple, valuable and immediately practical advice. Very very cool!!

    • @Helyx525
      @Helyx525 Год назад +1

      🤣🧇🎧

    • @sandeity
      @sandeity 11 месяцев назад +1

      Hard agree, but I can't NOT make fun of them...

  • @PAGE-sh2df
    @PAGE-sh2df 6 месяцев назад +1

    I love the way he broke down the process. The method he's created is beautiful

  • @haydenjames5244
    @haydenjames5244 Год назад +32

    Clearly having goofy headphones makes u a better producer. This is actually such a good video. Ur very good at teaching. Straight to the point and easy to follow along. Nice work!

  • @ernestinebess4650
    @ernestinebess4650 9 месяцев назад +1

    I CAN NEVER LIE, WHENEVER I WATCH YOUR VIDEOS ,THE WAY YOU MAKE MUSIC , JUST PUT ME IN A DRIFFENT WORLD ..TO ME YOU ARE A MUSIC GOD THANKS

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee You posted the exact same comment to like four different people (as far as I've seen). The fact that you're complaining about "copy paste" is hypocrisy at its finest.
      PS Your music is trash.

  • @juaninbits
    @juaninbits Год назад +26

    This video is not only helpful for music production, but also very helpful for Live Looping Performances 👌🏻 And I’m very excited for applying it in my live loopings ♥ thank you very much :D

    • @GreenhamGuitar
      @GreenhamGuitar Год назад +2

      Totally! Also why I'm here 😂

    • @JakeBeck
      @JakeBeck Год назад

      For sure! There's def more leniency for live looping though as to how far you can stretch it though. 4 or 8 im sure is fine, even 16

    • @lgmediapcsalon9440
      @lgmediapcsalon9440 8 месяцев назад +1

      mozart spinning in his grave right now. Let's hear your wonderful productions! Post them! give links!
      You can't. Because you have none. oh yeah 16 bars of repeat, mindblowing.

    • @juaninbits
      @juaninbits 8 месяцев назад

      @@lgmediapcsalon9440 xD

  • @BradHines
    @BradHines 2 месяца назад

    Producer and artist here (Ennuivox on all the platforms). I'm pleased that I never studied music or audio engineering, but basically just started doing this technique on my own from the start naturally. Some pointers, there's all sorts of exceptions to this rule, for example trance music especially, where you can go well beyond two loops, especially if you simply add automations to the loop.

  • @BrianSantero
    @BrianSantero Год назад +19

    In Western Musical Theory, an 8 bar phrase is typically made of two 4-bar phrases, the antecedent and the consequent.
    This 2-loop rule follows this time tested concept.
    Anecdotally, a lot of romantic ballet music is repetitions of the 8 bars (creating 16 bar... choruses, to borrow a jazz term) see rondo, or tarantella. So doubling the 2-loop could work very well.

  • @aidsmanfooltown9238
    @aidsmanfooltown9238 9 месяцев назад +1

    It’s like the bundle of tangled cords and knots about how to arrange and progress songs all just got untied and simplified. You have brought me tru inner peace😂

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee You're just a troll who's mad that nobody likes the music you make.

  • @rodparker6530
    @rodparker6530 8 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks for the video.
    You’re having fun. It shows in your on screen vibes

  • @ryananderson6893
    @ryananderson6893 21 день назад

    I watched 3 of your videos today. First time viewer. long time hobbyist EDM producer myself. Your videos offer a logical approach to EDM. Glad to see you make these. You got another sub! Cheers.

  • @wingoshack
    @wingoshack Год назад +21

    Nice! I have a similar rule, I always think of it as the "Aphex Twin rule", because it occurred to me listening to him. Something has to change at least every 4 bars to keep interest.

    • @magnopere
      @magnopere 8 месяцев назад +5

      The Venetian Snares rule: something has to change every half bar 😂

    • @wingoshack
      @wingoshack 8 месяцев назад

      @@magnopere 🤣🤣🤣

    • @magicsofa
      @magicsofa 4 месяца назад +1

      It doesn't HAVE to. A rule like this is really just a guideline. It can be followed, or ignored.

    • @wingoshack
      @wingoshack 4 месяца назад

      @@magicsofa lol obviously. No one said you have to follow anything, it's not literally the law. Just how I happen to approach things. ✌

  • @AwesomeOpenSource
    @AwesomeOpenSource Год назад +2

    Your joy, and how you describe the emotion you're feeling is so refreshing and awesome. Thanks for this video.

  • @famousoriginal7971
    @famousoriginal7971 9 месяцев назад +12

    This is rock-solid, quick practical advice. Thank you.

    • @whatilearnttoday5295
      @whatilearnttoday5295 8 месяцев назад

      Too rock-solid. So rock-solid it's boring. Throw away the grid.

  • @pratulvishera1277
    @pratulvishera1277 11 месяцев назад +1

    You are my only person from whom i have learned almost everything about music arrangement and production. Thanks

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I'd rather listen to their music than the trash you make.

  • @3N1StaticGaming
    @3N1StaticGaming 8 месяцев назад +5

    I don't typically follow this rule. I use it sometimes, but not always. One say of music I once learned and has helped me was that when it comes to expression 'and music is an art' there are no rules. There can be no mistakes so long as it sounds good. What you really are looking for is what's weak vs what is strong. Depending on what your going for sometimes you need that weaker approach while in others you may want to have a stronger approach. Use your ears.

    • @Will-nt7ju
      @Will-nt7ju 8 месяцев назад +4

      I feel you. This is more of a video for beginners, it’s a nice base format for starting off with arrangement. Arrangement always stumped me in the beginning and this concept is a good starting point. I feel like most artists follow this rule to a certain extent. Not strictly 2 loops obviously

    • @masterjunko
      @masterjunko 8 месяцев назад +1

      I honestly kinda use a mixture of both. Sometimes I start off following the rule but then change things up a lot for an element of surprise, and my recent expansion into more music like breakcore/speedcore/dnb/neurofunk has got me interested in arrhythmic patterns and odd meters (and of course the classic drum breaks).
      I still think it's a very helpful guide, but I agree that's all it should ever be, a guide! Mess around and don't always stick to a 'rule' because all you really need to make music is heart, soul, and a catchy tune :)

  • @Giovanni-yz1vo
    @Giovanni-yz1vo 3 месяца назад

    I don't know if people were more amazed by the content or by the headphones.

  • @Sundin1995
    @Sundin1995 Год назад +6

    i cannot tell you how badly i needed to see this video! my arrangement has been killing me and this is gonna help me so so much! thanks Alex!

  • @minimalistvagabonds1597
    @minimalistvagabonds1597 7 дней назад

    One of the best and easiest explanations I've seen on arrangement! Nice work!

  • @Overxpossed
    @Overxpossed Год назад +5

    Wow... incredible how you compose music so fast and well. I think you forgot to verbally repeat, that every change/add you put in your song, is each 2 loops, following the rule. But it can be noticed in the Playlist. Great idea bro!!! Thank you for sharing it!

  • @WapBamboo
    @WapBamboo 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great vid man, won’t lie I used to roll my eyes at your tutorials.

    • @AlexRome
      @AlexRome  9 месяцев назад +1

      Haha I love this. Thanks my guy.

  • @jaybrypto
    @jaybrypto Год назад +4

    I love your videos Alex. This sort of thing is applicable no matter what style of music you produce and no matter how long you've been producing. Excellent!

    • @godowskygodowsky1155
      @godowskygodowsky1155 Год назад +1

      I would say that this framework is one of many ways of writing music. There are other ways of structuring an arrangement, and the two bar rule might not be idiomatic in certain styles. Still, it's a nifty trick for elaborating on four chord loops.

  • @craigtillman5988
    @craigtillman5988 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for this. This alone is worth my YT subscription.

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee What do you know about "the basics"? You know absolutely nothing about music or compositions. This is evidenced by the terrible music you write. If you're such a "good composer" then let's see your tutorial.

  • @lmcmulle
    @lmcmulle Год назад +6

    Such a wonderful tutorial, mate. Just great arrangement tips for all styles.

  • @RyanpcHartnett
    @RyanpcHartnett Год назад +1

    This is the best explanation of song arrangement I’ve ever seen

  • @donnyforgione6724
    @donnyforgione6724 Год назад +6

    The chords remind me of "Sideways" by Illenium and Nurko! Great video as always!

    • @k03hl3r
      @k03hl3r Год назад +1

      They don't remind you of them, they're identical. Same key, same chords, same melody.

    • @donnyforgione6724
      @donnyforgione6724 Год назад

      @@k03hl3r yep I know, nice to know the chords and stuff now too

    • @Chefhall23
      @Chefhall23 8 месяцев назад

      He basically remade the song, it's identical.😂

  • @GrapeJuiceSmally
    @GrapeJuiceSmally 9 месяцев назад +1

    I have literally had this theory for the last few months and this just completely confirmed it thank you soooooooooo much😭😭😭

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee copy paste my same comment over and over again, while adding nothing of value to any conversation
      Look, mom. I'm a music critic.

    • @veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
      @veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 8 месяцев назад

      lol haha good one bruv @@Lemonlime6000

  • @destinyjohnson6785
    @destinyjohnson6785 Год назад +11

    I love your use of words to describe things. You bring a lot of emotion to the music theory and practice. EDM is one style I want to use but I am curious if I will find any help like yours in other genres

  • @rockjonez61
    @rockjonez61 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for this video. I’ve been producing since the 80’s and still get value from fellow producers insight like this.

    • @ChainsTheChef888
      @ChainsTheChef888 8 месяцев назад

      What are your thoughts on the digital world of audio? I never used analog and im fine with compressing and doing everything digitally but i think that using a physical compressor would be much more precise but i don’t know. thoughts?

  • @nowonmetube
    @nowonmetube 8 месяцев назад +3

    What I love about music production is, you learn one rule/skill/setting, and you can immediately build this into your next project and benefit from it.

  • @inferbee2572
    @inferbee2572 3 месяца назад +1

    Love those Transitions between Exit and Entry parts of the track

  • @ttsec3956
    @ttsec3956 Год назад +8

    Honestly man you make everything seem so simple when it’s not, your so good…

    • @ChronoMune
      @ChronoMune Год назад +5

      Nothing worthwhile is immediate. Put in the work. You’ll get there if that’s what you want and commit to it

  • @katecosettevocals
    @katecosettevocals 7 месяцев назад +3

    I loved this! it was amazing and loved your own energy while working. thanks for this!

  • @drinkinslim
    @drinkinslim 8 месяцев назад

    People talk about vintage gear sounding so rich and warm, but even this - straight out of a DAW - sounds so WARM. Nice job. Love the sound choices. It virtually mixes itself.

    • @fonesrphunny7242
      @fonesrphunny7242 8 месяцев назад

      And many of these people just repeat what they heard and that's often old news.
      Good modern plugins are designed with that warmth in mind. When it comes to samples, most of the heavy lifting is done during recording and processing.
      We got a plugin that emulates a specific vintage mixer. Lift its input gain carefully and it will add warmth to almost anything you feed it.
      Of course these plugins generally aren't cheap and you still need to have decent audio hardware to make the most of them. And, of course, you can ruin everything with "bad" mixing.

  • @lorenzodicapo6305
    @lorenzodicapo6305 Год назад +8

    There's nothing technically wrong, I just think this can be very restrictive. To say something like 'or ears naturally expect chords to change every two loops' is only applicable if you listen to an extremely narrow scope of music and you're working on a pretty focused genre: the four chord loop pop song. Also, we're talking strictly western theory here. Anywhere outside this small range, this rule doesn't hold. Also, why would you do what is 'expected'? Isn't that a recipe for 'unoriginal'? What about changing every three loops (hold the tension), one loop (create some confusion), never (trance)? Also, how far does it go? A lot of loops can add up in three or four minutes. Do we just keep changing up, with the acapella loop, the bebop loop, the djent loop, etc.?
    Anyways, there are some good suggestions, but hacks and shortcuts don't work well in music. Especially as a beginner, it is easy to end up learning the hack instead of the music. Spend the time, practice your instrument, learn the basics.
    Again, this is not bad. The texture change ideas and such are spot on. However, relying on cheats all the time can be very limiting and lead to bad habits.

    • @RetNemmoc555
      @RetNemmoc555 Год назад

      Yeah I get really bored hearing multiples of four in just about every new song. I find myself counting off measures on my fingers while shaking my head in frustration, and unless something exciting happens, I'm outta there.

    • @ArkhBaegor
      @ArkhBaegor 8 месяцев назад

      He created the most cookie cutter boring-ass song ever and was like "isn't it pretty?" lmao

  • @axxeminister
    @axxeminister 8 месяцев назад +1

    So the evolution of song writing and producing has changed so dramatically.
    I've been a musician for 45 years, mainly a drummer..( yes, you can chuckle.... we're all adults here)..
    And I felt compelled to add a comment here.
    I've been receiving your feeds for a while and the more you click on them, the more you receive... it's the algorithm.
    But I digress.
    You're a beast at making material....that being said, I'm totally fascinated at your ability and ease of making music that actually sounds good
    I couldn't do what you're doing.... probably as you couldn't do music in our old school way.
    It's refreshing and an eye opener to see how much change has entered the realm of music production.
    No knocks from me.... you're fantastic and I will keep on learning the new stuff from you.

  • @AbnerAgogo
    @AbnerAgogo 8 месяцев назад +4

    Sounds like an Ozempic commercial, I can hear all of the side effects being listed by the announcers voice..

  • @mic2016
    @mic2016 7 месяцев назад +1

    This guy has legit musical insights

  • @j3ss831
    @j3ss831 Год назад +9

    9:06 had me dead!

  • @raysissum
    @raysissum 6 месяцев назад

    This is a great exercise for beginners as long as they understand it is not a rule they have to follow. One thing I'd add is that if you are working with vocals, vocals are another element that changes things up so think ahead and leave space when creating, give vocals space to develop too. I like the thing you say about adding/removing, I think this would help a beginner see what changes they could make. Good work, first of your videos I've seen.

  • @denisyolkin
    @denisyolkin 7 месяцев назад +8

    big ahh headphones

  • @eatass5627
    @eatass5627 9 месяцев назад

    After 3 years and 10k invested I’m proud to say I’m 30 today and realizing this is just a hobby for me and I gotta be happy with my dead end office job and 50k a year

  • @PedroBlazeArt
    @PedroBlazeArt 4 месяца назад +19

    Ah, there's my waffle maker.

  • @spectrebeats0007
    @spectrebeats0007 8 месяцев назад +1

    Doing a music production course rn and one of my teachers just talked about this two weeks ago. It's so useful and so important when making music. Easy ideas he gave for what to change would be transposing the melodies down or up an octave or reversing them or even as simple as cutting layers and adding a filter to the section. Defenitely good advice and practice to have for music production.

  • @GoingGhost_GG
    @GoingGhost_GG Год назад +10

    hey alex i wanna get better at vocals

  • @RaphaelAugustune-wm5vu
    @RaphaelAugustune-wm5vu 2 месяца назад

    My favourite music man so far..A Contagiously passionate guy..

  • @pleaseenteraname8830
    @pleaseenteraname8830 3 месяца назад +8

    2 waffle makers on his head

  • @slimeysosa1013
    @slimeysosa1013 9 месяцев назад

    God im so glad someone is taking the time to talk ab song arrangement because it really is one of the most important parts of making a song

  • @flyingisland7583
    @flyingisland7583 8 месяцев назад +11

    How to make what everybody does

    • @Jahs3ybrown
      @Jahs3ybrown 4 месяца назад

      Fr

    • @BryanSheasby
      @BryanSheasby 2 месяца назад

      You can fight known working patterns in musical composition but you have to really know what you are doing. For instance, 100%of Blues follows a pattern of (A, A prime, B). If you want to make a whole new genre, go ahead.

  • @pxrfxct
    @pxrfxct 8 месяцев назад

    I thought this would be a bit of a basic tutorial but this guy really did a lot just for this video all to show us how we can improve a little bit if we get stuck and to just do something simplerwhat a W teacher fr

  • @Monocultured01
    @Monocultured01 4 месяца назад

    The two loop method here lines up with something I learned years ago in high school band and music theory, that most musical phrases are in 4 or 8 bars. I'm not sure if there's something inherent to our brains, or if we are culturally predisposed to expecting music to operate in 4 or 8 bars, but it's a phenomenon that goes back to classical music.

  • @BasicWhiteMale
    @BasicWhiteMale 2 месяца назад +1

    I JUST WANTED TO HEAR THE WHOLE SONG AT THE END, ALEX!!!!!!!!!

  • @AManCalledBiggles
    @AManCalledBiggles 8 месяцев назад +2

    I have been told "bring in 2, drop 1 / drop 2, bring in 1" with regards to instruments/tracks - Not always useful when you're building into a track but can stop things getting too cluttered once you're in full swing 😎

  • @Noahsurratt
    @Noahsurratt 3 месяца назад

    Genuinely appreciate this info and video family! 💪🏿😤 writers block is a real thing and simple approaches to beat writers block like this are a breath of fresh air! Thank you for your content. Very 🔥! 🙏🏾

  • @lateblume4208
    @lateblume4208 8 месяцев назад +1

    I love how you crushed that joke at 6:38 and just let it simmer

  • @Melonskull
    @Melonskull Месяц назад

    Came across this video exactly when I was supposed to. Just got in to mixing and was stuck on one of my intros. Thanks!

  • @littlemac844
    @littlemac844 Год назад +1

    This must be for complete beginners. But, it is a great tutorial. I wish I saw a vid like this 20 years ago. Young producers are so lucky now, there are do many vids to help them write and mix.

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Well then let's hear your tutorial.
      Oh, yeah. That's right. You don't know how to compose any music worth listening to.

  • @ShankDrums
    @ShankDrums 9 месяцев назад +1

    One of the most useful tips to avoid getting stuck in production!

    • @ShankDrums
      @ShankDrums 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee No I would end up having a part maybe go go for a measure to long, or get stuck determining when I should change things up in each section of the tune. So using the rule of two as general guide to adjust something. Whether its a beat change, simplifying a melody, or even adding an effect. Helps keep the song movement fresh.
      Just like in TV production they use the 15 second rule that something on camera will change. Whether its a zoom, camera change or adjustment, so the use stays engaged.

    • @ShankDrums
      @ShankDrums 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Your taking what I'm saying way out of context. The technique is simply a tool to use if you get stuck or hit writers block as we all do sometimes. You don't always get to sit behind your instrument and have a perfect day. Whether it's on stage with your band or working on in your DAW.

    • @Lemonlime6000
      @Lemonlime6000 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@ShankDrums Veeeeeeeeeeeeeee has just been going around trolling different people in the comments here. He picks one of four of his replies and pastes it in. They have a music channel, but it's complete trash. This person has even gone so far as to send his friends to other people's channels to harass them. Just ignore veeeeeeeeeee. They're just a troll with no life whatsoever.

    • @ShankDrums
      @ShankDrums 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Lemonlime6000 I appreciate the reply!

  • @Novatropic
    @Novatropic 6 месяцев назад

    To keep this simple, without worrying about loops and stuff... the usual production protocol is noticeable changes after 8 bars, and major changes after 16 bars. This will hold true for melodies, transitions, breakdowns... everything basically. Our brains are hard-coded to expect changes at these points, due to the 4:4 tempo.

  • @gerwin1991
    @gerwin1991 4 месяца назад

    I watched this whole video with a smile. Your genuine enthusiasm is catching.

  • @CefinBeornMusic
    @CefinBeornMusic 2 месяца назад

    I’m glad you made this video. This confirms what I intuitively did when making instrumentals.

  • @senseibear2436
    @senseibear2436 8 месяцев назад

    This might be the only channel I've ever subbed to after viewing only one video. A channel host with a real artist's soul perhaps..
    I'm finding it impossible to transition from 30 years of guitar to arranging on my pc - I might have just caught a lucky break 🙏

  • @peterjaylewis
    @peterjaylewis 3 месяца назад

    It so lovely to see your enjoyment while making this music!
    Thanks for the tips, I usually make pop music with vocals but I've been meaning to get more instrumentals out so this is a great help!

  • @chromosundrift
    @chromosundrift 5 месяцев назад

    Dude I watch a lot of yt production how to vids and you are very good. The combo of usefulness, sophistication, taste and communication skill is killer. Thank you. Subbed.

  • @jbyrd117
    @jbyrd117 8 месяцев назад

    Following because of how genuinely wholesome you are acting while making this music

  • @divanadj
    @divanadj Год назад +2

    I think we have the Bob Ross of music. Had a wonderful time listening to and learning! Thank you Alex :)